Before 2030, Roscosmos plans to land astronauts on the moon

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According to the strategy of space activity of the Russian Federation, developed by Roscosmos, it is planned to fly around the moon and land on its surface astronauts from Russia before 2030, reports Newsru.com.

The document posted on the agency’s website states that during this period it is planned to operate the lunar orbital base “in the visited mode”, as well as work on the maintenance and repair of large spacecraft.



In accordance with the draft Strategy, there are three frontiers for the development of the national space industry. The first one, presented as a “frontier of restoration of capabilities” and calculated up to 2015 of the year, involves the creation of the first stage of the Vostochny cosmodrome and ensuring readiness for the launch of automatic spacecraft from it, the creation of a scientific and technical reserve with the aim of implementing major projects in subsequent periods aimed at the exploration and development of deep space.

The second frontier, implying a “consolidation of opportunities,” is supposed to be achieved by the 2020 year. Prior to this, it is planned to create the necessary conditions for independent access of the Russian Federation into space from its territory, the completion of the operation of the ISS (International Space Station) and the implementation of measures related to its preparation for a controlled descent from orbit. In addition, the specialists will be engaged in the creation and preparation of flight tests, which will have to pass a heavy manned ship of the new generation.

At the second line, the department also plans to take part as part of an international team in activities related to the launch of research stations to Jupiter, Venus, Mars and asteroids.

Recall that quite recently, the Marsan project of Rosaviakosmos worth five billion ended in a grand failure. On November 9, last year, the Phobos-Grunt vehicle was launched to the Mars satellite Phobos. After the separation from the Zenit launch vehicle, the device did not appear in the launching orbit. After repeated unsuccessful efforts to restore the 15 connection with him this January, fragments of "Phobos-Grunt", not burned down in the atmosphere, fell into the waters of the Pacific Ocean. And in April, Roscosmos experts announced that the project associated with the launch of Phobos-Grunt would be repeated.

Overcoming the main "breakthrough line" in the Strategy is planned to be implemented by 2030. Prior to this, it is planned to create a space rocket complex of a super heavy class, develop the means necessary for contact research and further exploration of the Moon, implement a demonstration manned flyby of the Earth satellite with the subsequent landing of Russian cosmonauts on its surface and return to Earth.

In addition, within the framework of this program, specialists plan to conduct activities related to the deployment and maintenance of orbital groups of spacecraft, which ensure the formation and satisfaction of the needs of science, the socio-economic sphere, defense and security of Russia in the results of space activities. It is also planned to create advanced technologies related to the maintenance, refueling and repair of aircraft in near-Earth space.

As you know, for the first time, a man landed on the moon 21 July 1969 of the year in the framework of the program of the United States of America under the name Apollo. The first man to step onto the surface of the moon is astronaut Neil Armstrong, the second is Edwin Aldrin. Michael Collins, the third member of the crew, was at that time in the orbital module.

The Soviet Union in the 70 of the 20 of the century was engaged in research on the lunar surface using two radio-controlled self-propelled vehicles (Lunokhod-1 and Lunokhod-2). In 1976, the program ended. In 90, the moon was explored using the Japanese Hiten satellite, the American Lunar Prospector and Clementine spacecraft.

Note that in the 2004 year, US President George W. Bush announced that Washington was planning to create new manned spacecraft in the next ten years, capable of carrying people to the Moon and the lunar rover, and laying the first lunar bases for the 2020 year.

Since 2007, China has officially announced its entry into the moon race, and in 2008, India. In 2009, the planned fall of the Moon into the crater Kabeus of the American LCROSS spacecraft and the upper stage Centaurus was made. Shortly thereafter, NASA officials reported finding water on the moon.

The strategy also assumes that Russia will be engaged in the development of technical means of protecting Russian spacecraft, including the use of the right to self-defense. The document also states that for the implementation of strategic interests in space, our country needs independent access to space, which eliminates the risks of "unfriendly actions on the part of other countries."

The document emphasizes that Russia will continue to strive for consistently upholding the fundamental right of any state to independent access to space. However, this should take into account the unconditional fulfillment of obligations related to the non-proliferation of missile technologies.

The draft program also indicates that in order to ensure the necessary level of the country's national security and the status of the Russian Federation as a leading space power, it is necessary to fully develop the Russian rocket and space industry, which is able to develop and manufacture world-class space technology in all major areas of space technology. activities.

At the same time, the Strategy states that the Russian Federation will observe the principle of “the priority of international space law over national law”.
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  1. Dimitrxnumx
    +13
    April 28 2012 07: 46
    The moon is certainly good, but in order to remain the first space power, one must land on Mars. After the first flight of Gagarin in 1961, we Russians had a colossal national upsurge of spirit and patriotism! there was universal happiness and glee, because we are the first. Why not repeat this feat?
    1. vadimus
      +27
      April 28 2012 08: 04
      Our officials should be landed on the moon, in the form of a test and without spacesuits .... And laughter and sin ... I suppose we’ll fly much further!
      1. +14
        April 28 2012 08: 14
        vadimus - no, they should not be landed, but planted in the moon, and preferably at the 2nd cosmic speed ... this will allow to polish the guidance system, make a spectrogram of the place of impact with the subsequent analysis of the components drinks
        PS while Popovkin is the helm of Roscosmos, this office will be a swamp.
        1. Alsa74
          +5
          April 28 2012 12: 32
          Quote: viktor_ui
          make a spectrogram of the place of impact with the subsequent analysis of the components

          Why are those analyzes of this Mr. N. (officials)? You can plant them in special villages if uranium is mined ...
        2. +7
          April 28 2012 18: 36
          Quote: viktor_ui
          PS while Popovkin is the helm of Roscosmos, this office will be a swamp


          That's who it is necessary to send to the moon, the main lobbyist of Israeli rubbish converted from stolen or sold by someone else old Soviet developments converted to new nuts and cogs. Who does not know, I mean the purchase of UAVs in Israel. Offhand that we have and are developing our ZALA 421-02, a light unmanned aerial vehicle
          "Unmanned systems", LLC ZALA 421-02, autonomous unmanned aerial vehicle for vertical take-off. "Kestrel", Micro-BLA helicopter type "Scientific Research Institute of Applied Mechanics named after academician V. I. Kuznetsov" ZALA 421-04, light unmanned aerial vehicle
          ZALA 421-04 is intended for the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia. ZALA 421-F, Ptero-E4, Dozor-50
          "Pchela-1T", a remotely piloted aircraftThe Tupolev company is developing a project for a medium-range unmanned aerial vehicle, which was partly based on a reconnaissance and strike complex with the Tu-300 apparatus.
          In "OKB named after AS Yakovlev", JSC Designed for real-time observation with a remotely piloted aircraft. PS-01 "Komar", remotely piloted apparatus OSKBES MAI Designed for performing agrochemical works and other national economic purposes. Institute of Telecommunications ", JSC
          And with people like Popovkin and Serdyukov, no strategies will work. Only to the moon or to the count!
          1. mihos ve
            0
            5 May 2012 20: 55
            ON THE NUMBER pancake !!!!!!
        3. DartAjax
          0
          April 29 2012 01: 41
          :) :) Yes, men, they will read your comments and think about - well, naf this space program, otherwise who knows ... and our rockets will not fly anywhere ..
      2. +1
        April 28 2012 09: 49
        But what about more complex long-distance space expeditions?
        1. Zynaps
          +6
          April 29 2012 00: 53
          late academician Chertok B.E. On this occasion, quite a long time ago and unequivocally expressed in the sense that for the study of deep space on an ongoing basis, and not swooping, we need heavy orbital platforms (TOP) in geostationary orbit. they can create outposts for research and points for assembling ships of the future from parts from the Earth.
      3. itr
        +3
        April 28 2012 11: 48
        I agree 100% offer to vote laughing
        1. Neighbor
          -1
          April 29 2012 19: 13
          How many decades have not even tried to fly (Neither Amer, nor Russia, and this is after all the already swollen tens or hundreds of billions) - and then they suddenly gathered.
          The feeling is strange - that before someone forbade, and now - allowed to fly there. I would say so.
          Although THERE are at the very top of us — they’re not stupid ones — they know what’s what and what’s how much. After all, they have access to all the State. Mysteries. and secrets.
          Interestingly - and the lunar astronauts - will be armed? belay
          Indeed, in the USSR - they armed - special. machine guns designed for shooting in a vacuum. Who were they going to shoot there? - a question. recourse
      4. vylvyn
        +1
        April 28 2012 12: 07
        Right Make a hut on the moon and put Popovkin in it with his secretary (Vedishcheva). And they will have paradise in this hut.
    2. Dan099
      +5
      April 28 2012 10: 16
      Are we the first space power?
      1. +1
        April 28 2012 10: 33
        First one! And it is not discussed.
        1. Dan099
          +3
          April 28 2012 11: 03
          But what about the DPRK?
          1. BMW
            BMW
            +2
            April 28 2012 11: 33
            It is necessary to deport to the moon all who bought plots there - and at their own expense. This will be the best way to master and settle the moon. Taking into account that show business stars and leading businessmen of the country bought the plots, taking into account their outstanding commercial talent, we can hope for the exploration of the Moon in the shortest possible time, say in a five-year period (since the payback in our business for more than five years is unprofitable).
            1. 755962
              +1
              April 28 2012 12: 19
              No one says anything about Apophis. And it poses a more serious threat, maybe it’s worth thinking about?
              The repetition of Phobos-Grunt is planned to be preceded by a mission to the asteroid Apophis. Scientists plan to send an automatic station to this asteroid by 2020, which will leave an artificial satellite-radio beacon next to it, which will make it possible to determine the asteroid's orbit with high accuracy and find out how great the threat of its collision with Earth is.
          2. vylvyn
            -1
            April 28 2012 12: 45
            They are only the second.
          3. NickitaDembelnulsa
            0
            April 29 2012 10: 33
            China does not yet have enough technology, or rather, but for 100% success in the space sector, it does not yet know how to apply these technologies
    3. Zynaps
      +3
      April 29 2012 00: 42
      Quote: Dimitr77
      to remain the first space power you have to land on Mars


      the problem of manned flight to Mars does not lie in the field of technology - this is possible even on a modern technological base. the main problem is medical. flight to Mars consists of three phases: 1.5 years there, six months - a year there, 1.5 years back. For almost 4 years, the crew will remain in zero gravity (LRE cannot work for a long time with constant thrust) and conditions with reduced gravity. long orbital flights showed that after a year of flight from the orbital station to the Earth, virtually disabled people returned with a significant loss of muscle and bone mass. rehabilitation of astronauts after such flights takes years, and not everyone can recover to their pre-flight health level. and this despite the scientifically selected diet and physical activity. the corpses may well return from Mars.

      do not flatter yourself - the key to long space travel lies in the creation of a NRE - a nuclear rocket engine. only he will give the necessary flight speed at which the travel dates will be within human capabilities. but there is the main stumbling block - physical protection against radiation from the reactor.
      1. Vldmr
        0
        April 30 2012 18: 19
        The trouble is that the mass of the interplanetary ship for flying to Mars will be about 400t minimum for NRE and 1200t. for liquid propellant rocket engines (projects from NPO Energia of the 80s). Now the cost of putting 1 kg into orbit is too high. The problem is protection from the crew’s radiation, not from the reactor, but from the solar and galactic radiation, the earth’s magnetic field :)) And artificial gravity is created by centrifugal rotation, similar designs have been developed since the dawn of astronautics.
      2. Passing
        0
        1 May 2012 17: 28
        Quote: Zynaps
        the main problem is medical. flight to Mars consists of three phases: 1.5 years there, six months - a year there, 1.5 years back. For almost 4 years, the crew will remain in zero gravity (LRE cannot work for a long time with constant thrust) and conditions with reduced gravity.

        The solution to the problem is elementary, and has been sucked a thousand times - a habitable centrifuge module.
      3. mihos ve
        0
        5 May 2012 21: 00
        I'm sorry. Maybe not nuclear, but photonic?
  2. +2
    April 28 2012 09: 12
    At the same time, the Strategy says that the Russian Federation will comply with the principle of "priority of international space law over national law"
    Like always. Everyone puts on it (there is another round of militarization of space), and we are observing.

    Space is a long-term, but very promising investment. You need to move in this direction, starting with the small (Moon), gradually rolling technology. In order not to be as with Phobos, the loot was launched in an unknown direction.
    PS Take it on your own, so as not to fall laughing
  3. Skiff
    +1
    April 28 2012 09: 32
    Another peppy attempt to cut the loot?
    But seriously, it is necessary to increase the measure of responsibility of officials in strategically important areas and projects, could not cope, found intent, suffer, suffer cruelly !!
    They burned 5 lards and everything was covered, fired, scolded in a fatherly way, splashed a glass and came up with a new chip for the development of the solar system, why should the Strugatsky brothers not, they should write books for them.
  4. +11
    April 28 2012 09: 38
    In the coming years, the last specialists who created our success in space in the 70s and 80s will leave real work.
    Now on the way is a gigantic "pit" - in our research institutes, pensioners are massively pushed out (since the young leadership is inconvenient to communicate with them), all positions, especially those in leadership, are occupied by young people aged 25-30. In principle, all of them do not have adequate education (and almost always have a sufficient attitude towards professional self-education).
    The top level of good specialists should be drawn up from 40-50 year olds, on whose qualifications, experience and energy the following successes and achievements should be made. But there is one caveat - at that level, in addition to work, there is a division of cash flows in explicit or implicit form. That is, the entrance to normal specialists is often closed. And as a result, there are practically no these specialists of this group at our research institute.

    So all these big calls to conquer the Moon, Mars .. - someone just wants a free dough ..
    1. +4
      April 28 2012 10: 35
      I fully support. For almost the whole of May, our office is dispersed at its own expense, for the second time in a year. so let's fly to 2m laughing
  5. Dust
    0
    April 28 2012 09: 39
    Definitely - the principle of Khoja Nasreddin on teaching the ass of human speech, now cut loot, and then - or donkey. or padish ...
    How would the leaders of Roscosmos not really overworked with such plans ...
  6. Tiberium
    +1
    April 28 2012 09: 47
    We must hurry, otherwise the Chinese are stepping on their heels.
  7. +1
    April 28 2012 09: 51
    STOOOOP !!! I read many times that they were going to fly to Mars in 2020. And now only the moon in 2030? It seems that someone is being led by the nose ?! I predict for myself by 2017 a note like "By 2040, it is planned to resume manned space flights!"
    1. Tiberium
      +1
      April 28 2012 10: 06
      As the saying goes, "If you chase two hares, you won't catch a single one." We must choose the priority, Mars or the Moon. Then let us fly somewhere.
      1. +1
        April 28 2012 10: 35
        Mars is more promising!
  8. +3
    April 28 2012 10: 09
    ... Drop off, drop off ..... will we take it back? (as a joke to discharge) lol
    1. +1
      April 28 2012 10: 31
      Well, laughter, laughter, but the first Soviet lunar project of returning a person back did not provide for wink
      1. Passing
        0
        1 May 2012 17: 37
        Quote: Landwarrior
        Well, laughter, laughter, but the first Soviet lunar project of returning a person back did not provide for

        "And - God forbid you - don't read before dinner Soviet yellow newspapers. Patients who do not read newspapers feel great. "(C) wink
        1. 0
          2 May 2012 22: 16
          Quote: Passing by
          do not read Soviet yellow newspapers before dinner.

          Honestly, I almost forgot how to read feel
          I just grabbed the documentary once on Yu-tube, I don’t remember the name, but I remembered the voiced moment. winked
          But vet it was the FIRST project, others were also wink
  9. Redpartyzan
    0
    April 28 2012 10: 35
    In general, when planning concepts for the development of any sphere, the highest goals are set. Flying to the moon in 2030 is not impressive! But given our real state of Roskosmos ... well, the main thing is that the industry develops.
  10. dred
    +2
    April 28 2012 11: 18
    The main thing is that the Chinese would not overtake.
  11. PabloMsk
    +2
    April 28 2012 11: 58
    But I'm wondering - why do all countries try to implement lunar manned programs on their own?
    Is there anything to do with the dough ?!

    The ISS / Alpha was all built together, and the Moon each individually undertook to conquer ... what's the logic? :(
    For me it’s more correct for everyone to tackle a lunar inhabited station together!
    Given that Alpha after 2020 will be removed from orbit - the lunar station is quite an ambitious international project.
    1. +2
      April 28 2012 12: 44
      It really hurts a great temptation to stake out resources and territories on the surface.
      1. +7
        April 28 2012 18: 49
        Quote: urzul
        It really hurts a great temptation to stake out resources and territories on the surface.


        Astronomers claim that on the Earth’s satellite, which mainly consists of silicon, there are many rare elements on our planet and therefore very valuable elements. These are mainly metals from the so-called platinum group: platinum, iridium, osmium, palladium, rhodium and ruthenium. On the moon, according to scientists, it is possible to extract germanium, molybdenum, rhenium, tungsten and gold, as well as cobalt, nickel, iron, aluminum, magnesium, manganese, calcium, potassium and titanium.
        But the most rare of the lunar minerals is considered to be a very rare non-radioactive isotope of helium - helium-3. He was found in the Apollo spacecraft delivered to Earth in the 60-70s of the last century.
        Helium-3 is unique in that it can become a virtually inexhaustible source of clean energy. Scientists from Cambridge, for example, have calculated that 6 metric tons of this gas is enough to provide UK energy for a year. Not surprisingly, a ton of helium-3, lying, incidentally, at a depth of less than 3 meters, will cost several billion dollars.
        In total, helium-3 on the moon, according to scientists, is more than 100 million tons. This earthlings will last for several hundred years.
        My webpage

        In Seattle, Tuesday, April 24, a presentation of the Planetary Resources project on mining asteroids took place, supported by director James Cameron and members of the Google Board of Directors Larry Page and Eric Schmidt. This was reported on the project website.
        The company that will deal with the extraction of fossils from asteroids is registered in the United States. The company has already developed the first reconnaissance spacecraft for working in outer space - Arkyd-100 Series. These devices in the first two years of the program will search for asteroids rich in minerals.
        The founders of the project intend to create a kind of "fuel depot" in space by 2020, according to BBC News.
        My webpage
        1. +1
          April 28 2012 22: 59
          Quote: Ascetic
          Astronomers claim that on the Earth’s satellite, which mainly consists of silicon, there are many rare elements on our planet and therefore very valuable elements. These are mainly metals from the so-called platinum group: platinum, iridium, osmium, palladium, rhodium and ruthenium. According to scientists, the moon can produce germanium, molybdenum, rhenium, tungsten and gold, as well as cobalt, nickel, iron, aluminum, magnesium, manganese, calcium, potassium and titanium. But the most rare of the lunar minerals is considered to be a very rare non-radioactive helium isotope - helium-3. It was found in the Apollo spacecraft delivered to Earth in the 60-70s of the last century. Helium-3 is unique in that it can become a practically inexhaustible source of clean energy.

          Do your astronomers not take into account the role of the military in this area? And American law has long allowed the sale of land on the moon and other planets, given the holes in international treaties, has been selling land on the moon for a long time. for every minor reason, this can become a significant problem in the near future!
        2. volodj
          0
          1 May 2012 18: 42
          I wonder how much the exploration of deposits, the extraction and transportation of helium to the earth will cost? Helium will turn out to be more expensive than gold!
    2. +1
      April 28 2012 13: 02
      Extremely interesting offer.
      If we talk about the need for truly breakthrough achievements - well, as the results of space exploration in the 50s and 60s - then in the center there should be people of the Korolev, Yangel format or many other prominent specialists whose names they usually do not know. And what do we have now - in our research institute, at a level higher than the head lab, there are practically NO adequate specialists - they have not been allowed to go there for a long time, there are people of their circle, thieves, sons, and those who have been paid extra money (.. and for obvious reasons)

      And how are you supposed to collaborate internationally?
      Here is my friend, the head-lab regularly visits this ROSCOSMOS - and claims - this is a den of "effective" managers.
      And any practical proposal in the direction of cooperation will rest on this specificity.
  12. Igor Vladimirovich
    +1
    April 28 2012 12: 11
    At the same time, the Strategy states that the Russian Federation will observe the principle of “the priority of international space law over national law”.
    А зря.


    Read in full: http://topwar.ru/13918-roskosmos-planiruet-do-2030-goda-vysadit-kosmonavtov-na-l
    unu.html
  13. patriot2
    0
    April 28 2012 12: 42
    Article +
    The goals are good, is there enough strength (financial, human, intellectual) for the embodiment?
    Roscosmos faces the most difficult tasks, and we wish good luck and assistance from the Government and the President. smile
  14. Senzey
    0
    April 28 2012 13: 36
    We’ll only pull zods to Mars if for money, even if we make plans, a joint project to create a base on the Moon is really possible, and for scientific research it will be useful, and there will be something to be proud of.

    We’ll only pull zods to Mars if for money, even if we make plans, a joint project to create a base on the Moon is really possible, and for scientific research it will be useful, and there will be something to be proud of.
  15. Num lock U.A.
    +6
    April 28 2012 15: 52
    Well, maybe even in 2030
  16. Indigo
    +2
    April 28 2012 16: 34
    http://www.free-inform.hut1.ru/pepelaz/pepelaz-13.htm
    As slave traders flew to the moon - I wanted to copy the whole article, but photos and graphs did not go, BUT -
    If before that the nominal thrust of the F-1 rocket engine near the earth was 689 tons-forces, now it will fall not only by 22% due to lower fuel consumption through the chamber (it is linearly proportional to pressure at the same temperature), but also by an additional 19 tons of forces due to a drop in pressure at the nozzle exit and, as a result, a 4% lower specific impulse near the ground (254 sec vs. 265 sec). Total:



    Fzem 689 0,78 - 16 518 ton-forces



    Thus, to maintain the known thrust-to-weight ratio of the Saturn-5 rocket not lower than n1,19 ​​-

    the mass of the Saturn-5 rocket should be no more than:



    Mo (518 5 / 1,19) 2176 tons



    With such a mass shortage of almost 800 tons, you should forget about any manned flights to the moon once and for all!
    I hope that we will not be ashamed and we will be on the moon!
    1. +1
      April 29 2012 01: 13
      Your evidence would be in the minds of many ...
    2. postman
      -1
      April 29 2012 01: 54
      Indigo
      This site is already not paying attention.
      "Arkady Veliurov" somewhere did not write everything, somewhere "pulled up", in another place "forgot" about the pitch angle.
      I removed it there: "water, as you know, does not freeze in zero gravity".
      What you see is an already honed version.
      First appeared on a site with an article "Ashtrays Fly to the Moon" in 2004
      Is there some more:
      http://apollofacts.wikidot.com/preable
      http://apollofacts.wikidot.com/hoax:people-popov
      http://malchish.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=340&Itemid=35
      here a generation has already grown:
      http://forums.airbase.ru/viewforum.php?id=45
      year, signing up as Passerby.
      They were (usa) there (on the moon). There were.
      But we did not have time.
      1. Indigo
        +5
        April 29 2012 15: 09
        I carefully looked at the links you indicated and for myself I came to a disappointing conclusion - the whole controversy came down to the type in these links - myself.
        Even since 2004 the laws of physics have not changed, but there are no refutations with calculations and indications of Veluurov's errors.
        What legislation did the US government use to declare a landing site on the moon a conservation area and deny access there?
        And tell me .. that - why there are no questions for the flight of Yuri Gagarin, and for doubts about the moon - only doubts and questions ....
        1. postman
          +3
          2 May 2012 02: 07
          Quote: Indigo

          Indigo

          He (A.V.) makes inaccuracies according to the laws of physics, of course they have not changed.
          If interested, strike in a personal, I will look for where everything is so-called. the laws of physics are broken with a bang. AI will send. It takes a long time to search

          Quote: Indigo
          What kind of legislation is the government
          “I haven't heard that.” This is a duck.
          Of the fact that they flew, I’m sure and this is what it is based on:
          1. Not objective: If the Americans were not on the moon and this proves EVEN A, B. -I don’t understand how-WHY the USSR did not prove it (with its power and capabilities) and did not use it?
          1.1. What success would be for our propaganda.
          1.2. HOW would the USA "do" in the world if we (the USSR) published these data
          1.3. Whatever advantages the USSR could get without even publishing these data, but only telling the United States that it has these data, I can fantasize:
          Marshall’s plan at the rate of% = 0, or interest-free loan
          withdrawal of NATO forces from Germany, the unification of Germany, the connection of Berlin
          -Vietnam?
          -Most favored nation well etc. can fantasize
          2. Telemetry and radar conducted by the USSR during flights
          3. Negotiation control
          4. Comparable analysis of lunar soil:
          On September 21, 1970, the automatic station "Luna-16" (100g of lunar soil), "Luna-20", "Luna-24"
          "Apollo-11" -22 kg, only about 380 kg, and passed for analysis to us (USSR), and we to them. The Americans gave 45 kg for analysis to everyone, including. and us (Vernadsky Institute)
          5. could technically do this and at that time were already ahead of the USSR
          -The world's first docking in space March 16, 1966: "Gemini-8" and the "Agena"
          / USSR: October 30, 1967: Kosmos-186 and Kosmos-188 (unmanned)
          -Total dockings (manned), before flying to the moon: USA-6 (with 2 TWO times per flight), USSR -1
          -Pilot flight experience: USSR -9, USA-14
          -financing: the US government issued NASA 25,4 billion dollars, in the USSR for the lunar program - only 4 billion dollars.
          6. Testimonies and public statements of trustworthy people with authority:
          Academician Mishin (Deputy Queen): "Yes, we were glad for them - that's all. It was not a surprise for us that they would outstrip us. We understood this matter. And the leadership ... They pressed us as hard as they could, and after that, on the contrary, they lost interest. "
          Academician B.V. Rauschenbach: "In recent years we already felt that they were" breathing down our heads ", but when they completely furnished us, I had no direct relation to space." ... "The Americans walked along the Moon and came back without making any special discoveries, it was a flag demonstration. "
          academician B.E. Chertok memoirs, a whole book is devoted to the "moon race" between the USA and the USSR
          Public utterances by the astronaut No. 11 Leonov A.A.
          etc. etc., incl.
          7. Three scientific instruments installed by astronauts on the moon continue to provide new data now. These are laser reflectors established by three lunar expeditions. (Map see photo)
          8. The live broadcast of the moon, which was watched in the MCC, TsNIIMASH,
          9. Most of the photographs that are used by the proponents of the scam of the century: Deliberately reduced, or photographs that have been modified by NASA staff (and whose activities have been cured) are used, or I independently "process" photographs.
          10. At the institute we studied "something" (specifically on the F-1 engine).
          Including closed materials.
          11. Of the serious reputable scientists (all over the world), no one disputes the fact of flying to the moon.
          You can continue 12,13,14, etc.
          References:
          VI Feodosiev, "Rocket and space system" Saturn-Apollo "" - excerpts from the book "Fundamentals of rocket flight techniques".
          VI Levantovsky, "Expedition to the Moon" - excerpts from the book "Mechanics of space flight in an elementary presentation".
          VP Mishin, "How We Lost the Moon". Interview with academician Mishin,
          Excerpts from the diaries of N.P. Kamanin, who supervised the training of Soviet cosmonauts in the 60s.
          Letter from a network conference about the Americans and the Moon.

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          By Yu.A. Gagarin, why do not arise?
          There are, for example (and not only for "them" but also for "ours":
          - I could not control the spacecraft, i.e. de facto passenger (official record)
          -It was hidden that he descended separately from the SA by parachute, and then was placed in the SA and filmed "how it leaves the SA, after a successful landing"
          according to death versions
          and written on this subject no less
          So what? Someone in their right mind will claim that he is not the first Cosmonaut?
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          PS. Some kind of stupid and malevolent person puts me cons, well, or a group of gzchelov .... It's nice that they read, but it’s not clear what ....
  17. +1
    April 28 2012 18: 02
    it is necessary to fly early, to prove to the world that the amers didn’t stand there, it will be an aspen stake, but this requires a sane government, otherwise they will sell space for a steamer again
  18. Jah
    Jah
    +1
    April 29 2012 00: 53
    Be sure to visit the moon!
    - If they stop stealing in Roscosmos ...
  19. -3
    April 29 2012 01: 09
    Why the heck to prove that we are not camels !? Any sane person understands that America's flights to the moon are “flying over the cuckoo's nest.” You don’t need to go to this crap. Everything about the moon has already been remotely recognized (including with the help of our It is necessary to think about more grandiose matters (for example, about Mars), and not about some kind of evidence, it is not clear to whom.
    1. snek
      +4
      April 29 2012 03: 33
      Quote: Alone
      Any sane person understands that American flights to the moon are "flying over the cuckoo's nest"

      How quickly you excluded from the sane people the cosmonauts Leonov and Grechko, who believe that the Americans were on the moon.
      1. Indigo
        +1
        April 29 2012 14: 54
        As I did not search, but did not find a refutation of the law of physics regarding the Tsialkovsky formulas ...
        1. postman
          +2
          2 May 2012 15: 18
          Quote: Indigo
          but did not find a refutation of the law of physics regarding the Tsialkovsky formulas.

          And no one refutes them.
          The table shows the balance of speeds of the Saturn V rocket during the launch of the Apollo spacecraft on the flight path to the Moon.
          The speed of rotation of the Earth at the latitude of Cape Canaveral + 406 m / s is added to the magnitude of the obtained speed. Thus, the Apollo ship launched to the moon at a speed of 11 m / s. At an altitude of 000 km, (the apogee of the near-Earth orbit, from which the ship switched to the flight path to the Moon), the second space velocity is 500 10 m / s.
          ==========================
          COLUMB WAS NOT IN A NEW LIGHT!
          http://www.skeptik.net/conspir/coluhoax.htm
      2. 0
        April 29 2012 15: 15
        The official point of view is inviolable to state people. Study all the facts and arguments of these "flights" yourself.
        1. snek
          +2
          April 29 2012 19: 14
          Quote: Alone
          The official point of view is inviolable to the public.

          If Leonov believed that the Americans were not on the moon, but was forced to say that they were, then he would not try to actively defend this position and simply would move away from this topic. Excerpt from an interview with Leonov:
          MOSCOW, Jul 20 - RIA News. The famous cosmonaut Alexei Leonov, who was personally preparing to participate in the Soviet moon exploration program, has denied many years of rumors that the American astronauts were not on the moon, and that the footage broadcast on television around the world was allegedly mounted in Hollywood.

          He said this in an interview with RIA Novosti on the eve of the 40th anniversary of the landing of US astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin on the surface of the Earth’s satellite on July 20, the first in the history of mankind.

          So were or weren't the Americans on the moon?

          “Only absolutely ignorant people can seriously believe that the Americans have not been on the moon. And, unfortunately, this whole ridiculous epic about frames allegedly fabricated in Hollywood began with the Americans themselves. By the way, the first person who began to spread these rumors, he was imprisoned for libel, "Alexei Leonov noted in this regard.

          Where did the rumors come from?

          "It all began when, at the celebration of the 80th birthday of the famous American film director Stanley Kubrick, who created his brilliant film" The Odyssey of 2001 "based on the book of science fiction writer Arthur Clarke, the journalists who met with Kubrick's wife asked to talk about her husband's work on the film in And she honestly said that there are only two real lunar modules on Earth - one is in a museum, where no filming has ever been conducted, and it is even forbidden to walk with a camera, and the other is in Hollywood, where, to develop the logic of what is happening on the screen and additional filming of the American landing on the moon was carried out, "the Soviet cosmonaut said.

          Why was studio photography used?

          Alexei Leonov explained that in order for the viewer to be able to see the development of what is happening from beginning to end on the movie screen, elements of filming are used in any movie.

          "It was impossible, for example, to film the real opening by Neil Armstrong of the hatch of the descent ship on the Moon - there was simply no one to remove it from the surface! For the same reason, it was impossible to film the descent of Armstrong to the Moon along the ladder from the ship. These are the moments that were really taken Kubrick in Hollywood studios to develop the logic of what was happening, and laid the foundation for numerous gossip that the entire landing was allegedly simulated on the set, "explained Alexey Leonov.

          Where the truth begins and the installation ends

          "The real filming began when Armstrong, who first set foot on the moon, got used to it a little, installed a highly directional antenna through which the transmission to Earth was carried out. His partner Buzz Aldrin then also came out of the ship to the surface and began to shoot Armstrong, who in turn filmed its movement on the lunar surface ", - the astronaut specified.

          So in the opinion of this man, whom I respect, these are those who believe that the Americans on the moon were not "ignorant people."
          Quote: Alone
          Study on your own all the facts and arguments of these "flights".

          I was interested in the question - the facts indicate that the Americans were on the moon. (here you are very important to note about independent study - do not take great thinkers such as Mukhin to be your helpers).
          1. 0
            April 30 2012 21: 15
            In principle, I don’t want to argue with you. Everyone has their own opinion. But ... I have been studying astronomy for many years. I can bring a lot of facts to the truth of my words. And I did not focus on anyone. I got used to focus on own conclusions. Regarding your facts, of course, it would be possible to arrange a discussion, but, as I wrote, everyone has their own opinion. And people are such that even if you convince them of the wrong, they will adhere to their point of view from the principle.
      3. Drcoks
        +1
        6 May 2012 14: 27
        True noticed =)
        And do not forget that we also caught a picture from the moon along with amers and personally observed the landing. So they landed, they landed
  20. Volkhov
    +3
    April 29 2012 04: 39
    Neither in the program, nor in the comments imperceptibly creative, there remains a sad reality:
    - there is a Nazi base on the Moon, but war is coming soon, surrender Roscosmos and the plan is executed ahead of schedule
    - A little later, the Ripple, and the Moon will not be around, you can relax from the delirium about lunar geology and the extraction of helium from sand
    - 2030 - this is approximately 2230 according to the average system time, a fashion for caves and Martian courses is expected ...

    The first impression of the "strategy" - that it was developed by a group of 3 trainees and 1 pensioner, and the rest were in the cash register or in the tavern - Nasreddin's donkey drives!
    1. snek
      +1
      April 29 2012 04: 49
      Hello, Volkhov. I remember once reading your comments about Venus and the immigrants from it, who came to us 5 years ago with blue bones and there was also something about the pulsation (if you said it inaccurately, sorry). Honestly, I haven’t seen such an unusual picture of the world for a long time, that's why I remembered it. And then there is such a thing about the moon. It would be interesting to know your ideas about other planets.
      1. Volkhov
        +1
        April 29 2012 16: 26
        The planet can be considered the Moon and Mars from large, the rest are technically more correct to call stars, the criterion is a magnetic field in the presence of rotation, or electrification, as on Venus. This is not new, take a closer look at the "Mayan calendar" - there is a diagram of ley lines.
  21. +3
    April 29 2012 11: 27
    Until engines based on the methods DIFFERENTLY differ from the current reactive engines (liquid propellant rocket engines, turbojet engines, ion engines, etc.) that require extra-large reserves aboard the so-called working fluid (fuel, oxidizer, gunpowder, etc.), will be developed as the Moon, and especially Mars can be forgotten.
    It is possible to fly off, only whether it is necessary ???? Most likely not. But to maintain and develop existing space technologies is simply necessary, and for this, the ISS and unmanned research ships are quite enough.
  22. +1
    April 29 2012 13: 22
    The fact that we will fly it for sure, but in terms of time it may be earlier, and perhaps not at all to the moon. For many years now, the MARSU program has been running in, and the moon, I think it will be a small bonus, in America.
  23. 0
    April 29 2012 20: 06
    It’s ridiculous. There is nothing to pay for submarines. And there, to the moon.
    1. 0
      April 29 2012 21: 47
      There is no money for the development of agriculture, but there is no money for growing nano.
  24. 0
    April 30 2012 01: 37
    even now they won’t fly there, they really don’t like public fiasco, and then, and even after the oath of the president, what moon is there. even with a rocket and technology, they would try to remove everything on mother earth, traders, they do not move progress. with such a limitation of mass, drag an entire jeep to the moon with Bridgestone tires, alloy wheels, and even in their superskafandra which they themselves later abandoned in our favor. what Amer’s moon is there, and now they manicously meticulously drive away all living creatures from the landing site; this is a fear that the wavering flag will be burned
    1. 0
      2 June 2012 03: 08
      and even on the secret engine f-1 from which there was not a trace in rocket science, but they themselves use our halved taxiway with great pleasure and are not offended by the power
  25. 0
    3 March 2015 12: 53
    The financial and technical aspect of the problem is interesting. Plans are certainly good, but how real are they?