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T-80BVM. Old tank with new features

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Currently, the military department and the defense industry are implementing several modernization projects for armored vehicles. Among other things, repairs and updates are underway Tanks main models. In the near future, ground forces will be able to get the next modernized tanks, rebuilt in accordance with one of the latest projects. To strengthen armored formations, it is proposed to use improved combat vehicles such as T-80BVM.


According to known data, at present the Russian army has several thousand main battle tanks T-80 of all serial modifications. At the same time, the age of even the newest cars of this type reached 20 years. Such equipment is supposed to remain in service for as long as possible, which leads to the need for repairs and upgrades. Last year, it was announced that there was a new project to upgrade the T-80 family of tanks, and by now various details of such a project have become known.


Serial T-80BV tank. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


The first mentions of the upcoming modernization of the T-80 tanks appeared a few years ago. Officials and experts in the field of armored vehicles have repeatedly talked about certain ways to improve performance, but until a certain time it all remained at the stage of discussion. Only in 2016, the Ministry of Defense announced its intentions to upgrade such equipment. The most notable work on this topic began last year, and so far have yielded certain results.

For the first time, a project with the designation T-80BVM was mentioned in official materials at the end of last summer. On August 24, within the framework of the Army-2017 military-technical forum, the Ministry of Defense and the Uralvagonzavod research and production corporation signed several contracts for the construction and modernization of armored vehicles. The theme of one of these documents was the overhaul and deep modernization of T-80 tanks. As specified, the new project was named T-80BVM.

Soon became known some information about the progress of the work and the technical side of the project. On September 7, the head of the Defense Ministry’s Main Armored Directorate, Lieutenant General Alexander Shevchenko, spoke to the national press and spoke about the new project. The head of the GABTU indicated that the experience of the hostilities in Syria had demonstrated certain shortcomings of serial models of armored vehicles. For this reason, the Office has accelerated the process of upgrading existing samples and developing new ones.

At that time, according to General Shevchenko, the modernized T-90M tank had already entered state trials. In addition, the specialists were engaged in preparing for future tests of the updated T-80BVM type armored vehicles. How exactly the tank with the letters "BVM" differs from its predecessors, has not yet been clarified.


Experienced T-80BVM during the 2017 show in September. Photo Decoder / otvaga2004.mybb.ru


On September 9, last year, official events dedicated to the Day of the Tankman were held at the 33 General Military Range (Luga, Leningrad Region). As part of these events, the demonstration of the existing and promising technology in a static exposition and on the track took place. First of all, attention was drawn to several newer models of armored vehicles, including the experienced T-80BVM tank. Together with such a tank, an information board was present at the exhibition, revealing some interesting features of the project. In particular, it noted the processing of an armament complex.

In mid-October last year, it was announced who will exploit the new technology. The Izvestia publication, citing an unnamed source in the Ministry of Defense, wrote that in the summer of 2017, the future operators of the T-80BVM were identified. The new type of machine in 2018-m should have been put into service 4-th Guards Tank Kantemirovskaya division. Fighting vehicles with special characteristics of mobility and mobility, as stated, can be a universal tool for the European theater of operations.

According to the domestic press, the supply of T-80BVM tanks will increase the combat capabilities of the Kantemirovskaya division. The 12-th and 13-th Guards tank regiments from the composition of this compound while armed with tanks T-80U, produced from the mid-eighties. In addition, the division has tanks T-80BV - in the fleet of vehicles 423-th guards motorized rifle Yampolsky regiment. All this equipment does not fully meet modern requirements, and therefore needs to be modernized. According to last year's data, the first T-80BVM will be transferred to the 4-th Guards Division already in the 2018-th.

At the beginning of last February, Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation published information on the procurement of various products. Documents that have become available show certain details of last year's contracts with the Ministry of Defense, signed during the Army-2017 exhibition. It is clear from them how many and what products are supposed to be purchased, and it also becomes possible to establish the amount of equipment planned for modernization.


View aboard. You can consider new means of protection. Photo Decoder / otvaga2004.mybb.ru


According to these data, in the current year, the Uralvagonzavod research and production complex will repair and upgrade the 31 base tank of the existing ones according to the BVM 2019 project. In 31, a similar upgrade will take place on the 80 combat vehicle. The Omsk Transport Engineering Plant, which is now part of the research and production corporation, will upgrade the technology. Whether the production process of the T-2019BVM tanks will continue after 62, and whether the army will receive equipment over XNUMX units is unknown. If such an order appears, it will only happen in the future.

On March 21, Izvestia announced the technical details of the new project concerning the updated weapons complex. An unnamed source in the military department told the publication about the decision to use the 9K119 “Reflex” guided weapon system in the new project. Thus, the upgraded tanks will retain the possibility of using guided missiles with a relatively long firing range, but the type of such weapons will change, no less than its main characteristics will grow.

It should be noted that such messages did not news in the full sense of the word. The fact is that the “Reflex” complex was mentioned in the context of the T-80BVM project as early as last year. On the information plate, which stood next to an experienced tank at an open demonstration, it was indicated that the project "BVM" involves the use of this particular system. Thus, the other day the domestic press did not disclose any new information, although it confirmed already known facts.

The existence of the T-80BVM project in its current form was announced just a few months ago. Subsequently, by disclosing this or that information, the military department and the media made up a rather detailed picture, which allows us to understand how the tanks in the troops will change. In addition, the deadlines for such works were indicated, and some of the future operators of the upgraded equipment became known.


Modules "Relic" and grilles are mounted on top of the existing enclosure. Photo Decoder / otvaga2004.mybb.ru


According to known data, the T-80BVM project provides for the overhaul and updating of the main production T-80BV tanks created and put into service in the mid-eighties. The proposed measures affecting all major aspects of technology. Due to the new devices, the level of protection and survivability, combat effectiveness, etc. are increased. At the same time, a number of existing units are retained, which makes it possible to get by with minimal modifications to the structure.

The T-80BVM tank should be equipped with a GTD-1250Т gas turbine engine capable of developing power up to 1250 hp. It is expected that the use of the new engine will allow to a certain extent to improve the driving characteristics and mobility of the car in all landscapes. It does not require serious processing of the engine compartment, which could be needed to install a diesel engine. The proposed power plant allows you to reach speeds of up to 70 km / h and have a power reserve of 500 km.

The armored body of the car in the new project does not change, but receives additional protection. The whole frontal projection and a significant part of the hull and turret sides are equipped with the Relict dynamic protection modules. The hull food, which cannot be covered with such products, is additionally protected with lattice screens. Installing a new dynamic protection in a noticeable way changed the appearance of the tank, giving it some similarity with modern versions of the T-72 and T-90 machines. According to some sources, the tank can be equipped with the Arena active defense system, but reliable information on the plans of the Ministry of Defense to install such equipment is not yet available.

The most serious changes have been made to the armament complex. The tank is still equipped with an 125-mm 2A46М1 launcher and NSVT machine guns and PKT, but new weapons are now used to control the weapon. The fire control system “Sosna-U” was used, which included the sights of the commander and gunner with day and night channels, as well as a laser rangefinder. Thus, by means of weapons control, the T-80BVM tank is unified with another modern combat vehicle of the Russian army, the T-72B3.


The aft compartment is protected by trellis screens. Photo Decoder / otvaga2004.mybb.ru


Initially, the main T-80 tanks of the “BV” line, including the T-80BV, were equipped with the 9-112 “Cobra” guided weapon system with the 9-X112 rocket. The development of this complex, which consisted primarily in the development of new missiles, continued until the end of the eighties. As part of the T-80BVM project, it was decided to replace the outdated Cobra with a more modern system of the same class. In the course of modernization, tanks will receive the 9K119 "Reflex" guided weapon system with 9М119 missiles. At the same time, only a new control system will be mounted on the tanks. Recycling gun launcher or loading mechanism is not required.

Using a new missile system will give the updated tank several advantages. First, the firing range of the main targets will increase. Unlike the outdated “Cobra”, the new “Reflex” is able to hit a tank or another object at a distance of 5 km. Also, the 9М119 rocket is distinguished by enhanced armor penetration characteristics and is capable of penetrating at least 800 mm of homogeneous armor behind dynamic protection. Finally, the Reflex complex controls the rocket with a laser beam. This eliminates the suppression of the control channel with the breakdown of the attack.

According to previously published data, the installation of new mounted protective equipment will not have a noticeable effect on the dimensions of the combat vehicle. The T-80BVM will have a length (over the body) of slightly more than 7 m, a width less than 3,4 m and a height of the order of 2,2 m. with simultaneous improvement in dynamics.

Not so long ago, it became known that, in accordance with last year's contract, the Uralvagonzavod corporation in 2018-19 would have to modernize a little more than six dozen T-80 tanks under the new project. What will happen to several hundreds of other armored vehicles of this family, available in combat units, has not yet been clarified. It is quite possible such a development in which the Ministry of Defense will find the resources to update a certain number of other tanks. However, the modernization of all T-80 combatants is not possible for a number of technical and economic reasons.

In the near future, completely new models of armored combat vehicles will come into service. However, even after this, the army will continue to operate the older equipment of a number of types. In order to preserve the required combat effectiveness and conformity with modern requirements, tanks in service need timely repairs and upgrades. In recent years, the military and industry have created several projects of this kind at once. The troops are already receiving the updated T-72B3 tanks, and soon the supplies of the upgraded T-90M and T-80BBM should begin.

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  1. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 22 March 2018 08: 19
    +5
    But what, to make an anti-aircraft machine gun remotely controlled, or even put a combat module, a toad presses? Or have they already drank government orders? Or does Syria not teach?
    1. Kair501
      Kair501 22 March 2018 08: 30
      +9
      Well, then on t 80 the machine gun in stock is controlled from the tank as on t 64
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 22 March 2018 17: 09
        +3
        Quote: Kair501
        Well, then on t 80 the machine gun in stock is controlled from the tank as on t 64

        Ahem ... but Baron Tonkolyuk writes that the ZPU had no remote control on the T-80 and T-80B.
        Main battle tank T-80 and T-80B

        ZPU on the commander’s cupola is made the old fashioned way, without any electric drives. Moreover, an anti-aircraft machine gun is needed or not needed, for the commander’s turret to rotate, the tank commander must rotate the entire structure together with the anti-aircraft defense unit, which is about 300 kg of mass, and the NSV-12,7 “Utes” machine gun protrudes one and a half meters from the rotation axis, that is another lever.

        It seems that the remote control of the ZPU appeared only on the T-80UD.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 March 2018 09: 57
      +7
      Quote: sib.ataman
      But what, to make an anti-aircraft machine gun remotely controlled, or even put a combat module, a toad presses?

      actually on the T80BV / U / UD it is initially controlled from the inside ...
      1. chingachguc
        chingachguc 22 March 2018 13: 46
        0
        and why the remote machine gun armored shields?
        1. MORDVIN13rus
          MORDVIN13rus 22 March 2018 23: 41
          0
          Where did you see the armor plate in the photo?
      2. svp67
        svp67 22 March 2018 17: 18
        +1
        Quote: PSih2097
        actually on T80BV / U / UD

        On the T-80BV there is no open-type memory.
  2. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 22 March 2018 09: 22
    +7
    Do T-80 armies be needed? Of course we need! For the arctic military force! That's where the GTD will be very good! But is it necessary to significantly increase the number of T-80 "vobche" in the sun? There is some “quantity” in the Principality of Moscow, and that “for the eyes” is enough! Build escho and 3 type of tank (and this is without "Armata" ...)!? Okay, there are some kindred “ties” between the T-72 and the T-90, and the T-80 is a great tank (!) ... from the T-72 / 90! Why else complicate logistics?
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 22 March 2018 12: 25
      +5
      On the one hand, you are absolutely right, and on the other, the tanks have already been paid for by the USSR, built, surpass the T-72 and even the T-90 in a number of ways. It is not difficult to rot them on storage bases.
      In turn, the T-14 will likely have a version with a gas turbine engine. Accordingly, the operation of the T-80 is justified from the point of view of supporting infrastructure and staff skills and in geographical conditions most fully revealing the capabilities of a gas turbine engine.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 22 March 2018 14: 17
        +3
        Quote: MooH
        tanks already paid for by the USSR, built

        It’s immediately clear that you did not encounter a situation where you are offered “weight” ... “just like that”, but with the condition: to service, maintain in working condition ... and when you start: to serve, maintain in working condition, then you understand: what’s the catch!
        Quote: MooH
        in a number of parameters superior T-72 and even T-90. .

        Yes .... when they were going to "talk" with NATO in a manner: today here (in Brest); tomorrow there (in Brussels) ... But now ... it seems that the "priorities" have changed?
        Quote: MooH
        In turn, the T-14 will likely have a version with a gas turbine engine

        I won’t argue here! I myself "dream" ... I mean, I suppose. But when will it be? When the tugriks do not have enough!
        1. mkpda
          mkpda 22 March 2018 14: 55
          +3
          Firstly, product technical support directly depends on their total quantity, the more products, the simpler, better and cheaper. Therefore, the modernization of the T-80B is a competent solution, provided that the family of these tanks is in service.
          Secondly, the combat capabilities of the tank are of paramount importance, regardless of the plans for their use. Rather, we should talk about the training of crews for this family of tanks.
          Thirdly, the T-14 requires a gas turbine engine in 2000 - 2500 hp, which is more economical than in 1000 - 1400 hp for the T-80 family.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 22 March 2018 15: 34
            +3
            Quote: mkpda
            Secondly, the combat capabilities of the tank are of paramount importance, regardless of the plans for their use.

            Whatever there is "doubt", but in the "jet" T-80 now there is a need, "Arctic"! And that’s it all .... And outside the Arctic, they are not very much needed ... therefore, it is probably not reasonable to increase the number of T-80 troops outside the "Arctic" need.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 22 March 2018 17: 09
              +6
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Quote: mkpda
              Secondly, the combat capabilities of the tank are of paramount importance, regardless of the plans for their use.

              Whatever there is "doubt", but in the "jet" T-80 now there is a need, "Arctic"! And that’s it all .... And outside the Arctic, they are not very much needed ... therefore, it is probably not reasonable to increase the number of T-80 troops outside the "Arctic" need.

              Do you think that Kantemirov’s division will be transferred to the Arctic? laughing
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 23 March 2018 00: 37
                +2
                Quote: Doliva63
                Do you think that Kantemirov’s division will be transferred to the Arctic?

                And who will be "holding" parades? Kantemirovtsy- "Life Guard"! There must be so much sovereign! And in the Arctic, "pomors" will serve ... wink
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 23 March 2018 02: 07
                  +1
                  PS By the way, the Kantemirovskaya division is armed, as I recall, with T-80U tanks .... the latest and most modern version of the T-80 with the 1250 hp engine (GTD-1250 ...) T-80BV is an older modification of the T-80 ... with the engine 1100 hp (in my opinion ... GTD-80T was even installed on the first T-1000BVs.) The question is: will the T-80BVM be equipped with the GTD-1250 engine (from T-80U), or will they stay with the previous GTD-1100?
            2. bayard
              bayard 22 March 2018 18: 03
              +1
              Now we need any (!) Tanks and in an increasing number - war. Not jokes, not toys, but the most that neither is. Or can’t you see what is going on against us? And maybe already this year.
              Omsk plant built these tanks, it will also be modernized. And the largest possible number of those stored, because tanks in war are consumables. 3 - 4 T-80 instead of 1 T-90, this is a very good cost savings and speed up the process ... If we still have time for this.
              1. Dimka off
                Dimka off 23 March 2018 18: 36
                -1
                Quote: bayard
                If we still have time for this.

                Any specific information?
              2. SARANCHA1976
                SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 45
                0
                Nothing confused? You don’t know by accident how much the annual maintenance of the T80 during normal operation costs.
            3. 113262a
              113262a 24 March 2018 01: 38
              0
              WITH ARCTIC BATTERIES? Launch 80 with a run down battery - only from an external source SOP! Work from dynamo the whole polar winter? Nakosovaya combat readiness!
              1. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 25 March 2018 19: 09
                0
                Quote: 113262
                Start 80 with dead batteries - only from an external source

                And to start the APU with dead batteries, and from it the main power plant?
                PS
                I am really interested in getting an answer to this question.
                1. 113262a
                  113262a 27 March 2018 10: 54
                  +1
                  The APU only recharges the battery.! How much will the four shrunken, and maybe thawed 6ST-190s charge? About defrosted dead batteries to discuss the boom? Or all the same, take the batteries in a warm rechargeable battery? Or heated boxes? So then do not care, diesel or gas turbine engine! I served at 219p, so I see the problem from the inside out!
                  1. Bad_gr
                    Bad_gr 27 March 2018 18: 54
                    0
                    Thanks for the information.
                  2. SARANCHA1976
                    SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 48
                    0
                    The dismantling and installation of battery T80 according to the regulations takes 4 hours. Debate the boom?
            4. mkpda
              mkpda 26 March 2018 14: 09
              +1
              This is a misconception.
              Firstly, the ability to start at low temperatures directly depends on the state of the battery. Therefore, any type of ABT will have problems in the absence of an external energy source to start.
              Secondly, all claims to the T-80 come down to two points - high fuel consumption (which is more important in peacetime) and poor development of more complex T-80 conscripts.

              Subject to the availability of trained personnel, tanks of the T-80 family will have an advantage over analogues of the T-72/90 family. Therefore, it is necessary to maintain and modernize the T-80 fleet of all modifications.
              1. 113262a
                113262a 27 March 2018 19: 55
                0
                In 83, we were prepared for shipment to Syria in Elani. They entered the study in mid-June, after passing the second session (students). These are commanders. Our mechanics and operators have already studied here, but since April. The final exams were passed on September 11, by this time Papik Assad had already made peace with the Jews, and we went to the GSVG. And they studied and served precisely on about 219p. My nickname is the number of my VUS. There is no and cannot be any difficulty in mastering the machine! Everything that is more complicated than the same 72 was served either by artillery regiments, or by a battalion or factory workers. No tricks with a motor — for a day, the old one was taken out by the crew with the help of an ARV and a new one was thrown from the container (under the supervision of a deputy engineer). But the battery is really the problem of this car! It was decided by the coordination of actions of the crews of the regiment, one wound up, everyone will start! But to send a car into the Arctic is a wild mistake! The only car that took root there is the T-10. So he served in the Arctic! Here it is necessary to upgrade it!
                1. mkpda
                  mkpda 27 March 2018 20: 48
                  0
                  It was about poor preparation of conscripts for the T-80. In my opinion, the problem was the poor performance of the training, due primarily to personnel problems with the instructors and command staff in them. Therefore, in full volume T-80 mastered the conscripts and the attached command staff.
                  In terms of operation, the T-80 was simpler, but conceptually different from diesel counterparts. I can repeat my opinion - this tank is for the professional army, and not for the people's militia.
                  The problem of battery is the problem of technical culture in the army. With proper maintenance and the presence of a repair fund, there are no problems with the battery.
                  Far from tanks, people tell tales about the T-80 and the Arctic.
                  1. 113262a
                    113262a 28 March 2018 22: 31
                    +1
                    The training program included firing -20 percent, firing on-site and off-site firing, the same, night-30 percent and 10-shooting Cobra. The rest of the lessons are tactics in the platoon, materiel in class with a kind in the form of a battle tank and the study of all machine components on models and repair by the crew. No special troubles compared with the t-62, in the same place in Elani, on the average regiment (to Cuba) - did not observe! They also studied diesel repair. At 23 TPs in the GSVG, 80 percent of the shootings were at night, the same with driving and tactics! The lion's share of the SHIELD-84 exercises is also at night, except forcing the Elbe with ATVT.
                  2. SARANCHA1976
                    SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 19: 08
                    0
                    In fact, 80s have enough minuses and pluses, but the main minus is the wild cost of components and consumables, I understand that you have not encountered this, but you must understand that war is primarily money
              2. 113262a
                113262a 27 March 2018 20: 01
                0
                Full refueling is enough for 450-550 km. Few?
                1. mkpda
                  mkpda 27 March 2018 20: 53
                  0
                  The problem was with the supply in peacetime - a higher fuel consumption of the T-80 led to an increase in fuel costs and operating costs. This was especially noticeable during the screenings at the exercises, when the fuel for the tanks had to be provided on their own. In the course of real hostilities, the situation was somewhat simplified.
                  1. SARANCHA1976
                    SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 19: 14
                    0
                    What? What you need one and a half times more fuel trucks and tons of expensive synthetic oil
                2. SARANCHA1976
                  SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 19: 11
                  0
                  This is with two barrels at the stern, and the turbine does not work from them and need to be pumped into the main tanks. During the tests, Omsk sukavili
                  1. SARANCHA1976
                    SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 19: 12
                    0
                    T72 with two barrels runs under nine hundred
            5. SARANCHA1976
              SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 11
              0
              And during snowfall you didn’t try to freeze the icy blades of the air intake cyclones in the Arctic frost with a crowbar from ice, and at 80Ke it’s two times
    2. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 22 March 2018 14: 34
      +4
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Why else complicate logistics?

      What complication of logistics are you talking about? Ammunition alone, fuel, too, in the armored services of divisions and regiments there are sets of NZ spare parts and accessories, as they are spent they are replenished with the same routes and means from the higher standing warehouses as the T-72 / T-90. MTO reserves are calculated and created in advance (in peacetime). To simplify it completely, I don’t care how the NBTS divisions give a damn if I have 12 sets of NZ No. 3 for the T-72 / T-90, or 12 sets of NZ No. 3 for the T-80bv / bvm / u, but at least 8 first + 4 second . The main problem I will have is how to pick up equipment that is not covered by the repair forces of the "lower" service (there are very few evacuation staff on any link), and what kind of samples it is - I don’t care about logistics.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 22 March 2018 15: 18
        +2
        All the same, the T-80 is a "different" tank .... unlike the T-72 ... and, therefore, the NZ sets are different. Maybe everything will be "glamorous" if these sets are in stock and industry is stamping them, like the Iron Lumberjack artel, garden shovels for summer residents ... But where are these plants now, where are these warehouses? T-80, basically, is in storage ... in the armed forces they are a “little roll” and the MTO problem is not “global” (we’ll “live” on old stocks!) But if there is an increase in the number of vehicles in the troops, it will start current "headache": where to find a plant that is able (willing) to produce spare parts for T-80 ...?
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 22 March 2018 17: 37
          +2
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          T-80, mainly in storage ..

          And where did the previously produced sets of NZ go? Yes, there are tanks. By the way! NZ kits from the T-80bv can easily fit the T-80bvm, you don’t even need to change the engines (set the GTD-1250 to 1100 or 1000), except that the RAV nomenclature should be adjusted according to the CLE and the LMS.
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          But, if there will be an increase in the number of vehicles in the troops, the current “headache” will begin: where to find a plant that is able (willing) to produce spare parts for the T-80 ...?

          Usually, with a contract for the supply of tanks, it is also assumed that the delivery of sets of NZ from the calculation of tanks.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 23 March 2018 01: 56
            +3
            Quote: kirgiz58
            And where did the previously produced sets of NZ go?

            And the “FIG” knows them !: According to available data, at present, the age of T-80BV tanks remaining in units ranges from 25 to 31 of the year. A characteristic problem of the fleet of such equipment is a decrease in combat readiness associated with moral and physical obsolescence. In addition, the ability to repair and restore tanks is limited, which is a consequence of the problems of past years. So, to date, the production of 1A33 type fire control systems has been discontinued. Also, the Cobra missile system, loading mechanism assemblies, a radio station, weather sensors, etc. are no longer manufactured. Because of this, the repair of some armored vehicles is impossible due to the banal lack of spare parts, the source of which can only be other tanks.
            This situation leads to the fact that the continued operation of existing tanks is still possible, but the result of various failures may be disabling equipment with the inability to recover. In other words, all the T-80BV tanks and “related” modifications in the army risk completely withdrawing from service in the foreseeable future due to the impossibility of full maintenance, repair and upgrading. Given the number of such equipment, we can talk about undesirable loss of armored vehicles, which could still be used by the army for some time.
            Have you “reached” the fact that: 1 there are no reserves of “components and assemblies” (those notorious “NC sets”) !; 2. The possibility of producing a number of components has been lost!; 3. modernization of the T-80-forced, designed to establish the production of components instead of the production that is lost ...
      2. badens1111
        badens1111 24 March 2018 08: 01
        +2
        Quote: kirgiz58
        To simplify it completely, I don’t give a damn about how the NBTS divisions

        A colleague ... unfortunately you are behind the times ... after the Serkov reform, you don’t have all this, just as there is no normal rembat, a warehouse and other things.
      3. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 15
        0
        Is it nothing that the auxiliary engine for energy supply of the T80 with a muffled turbine costs like two T72 diesel engines? There are still a lot of jokes from this series, it is clear that the deputy on the rear for this shit and the state?
  3. Sailor
    Sailor 22 March 2018 11: 06
    +3
    Already as many as 62 tanks in two years, unprecedented power, this amount should be for six months, and even left the old gun and the machine gun on the turret is not in the module, this is not even half measures, but a third.
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 22 March 2018 14: 52
      +8
      Quote: Sailor
      Already as many as 62 tanks in two years, unheard of power, this amount should be for six months

      Yes, at least one unit per day!
      1.You just collect thousands of 20 office plankton, managers, merchandisers and retrain them into turners, milling machines, assembly fitter (and further on the list) and send them to Omsk.
      2. Take away the printing press from the Fed, it is not necessary to send to Omsk (you can send it to Tagil).
      3. Put me in the place of Yuri Yakovlevich Chaika.
      laughing
      Postscript; instead of paragraph 3, if within your power, resurrect Lavrenty Pavlovich.
      repeat
      1. Sailor
        Sailor 22 March 2018 16: 37
        +7
        Iosif Visarionovich at the helm of the state and Lavrenty Pavlovich, the Prime Minister would put everything in its place, and the weapons would be delivered on time and the number would correspond to the state program, and the oligarchs would vying to offer to build ships, ships, airplanes, etc. " depending on the number of people stolen from the people, I’m even afraid to imagine what would happen to Chubais!
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 22 March 2018 17: 52
          +6
          There would be no oligarchs with them, I suspect laughing And there would be no problems drinks
        2. 11 black
          11 black 25 March 2018 19: 29
          +1
          Quote: Sailor
          Iosif Visarionovich at the helm of the state and Lavrenty Pavlovich, the Prime Minister would put everything in its place, and the weapons would be delivered on time and the number would correspond to the state program, and the oligarchs would vying to offer to build ships, ships, airplanes, etc. " depending on the number of people stolen from the people, I’m even afraid to imagine what would happen to Chubais!

          Quote: Doliva63
          There would be no oligarchs with them, I suspect. And there would be no problems.

          This is just not necessary - and under Stalin, gagging was more than enough.
          This is precisely the party elite responsible for the atrocities of the NKVD. It was their policy with regard to the army that led to the ignorance who “made the helm” at the first stage of World War II, who made many unforgivable mistakes with terrible consequences.
          As an example - the deployment of the main forces of the Navy on the Baltic theater of operations (including the K-series submarines and the battleship - who knows, he will understand the scale of idiocy). Like the whole army concept of "Small Blood Wars on Foreign Territory", so are the politicians authorized to challenge the commander's order - this is where, in fact, "the level of delirium exceeded the standard of living."
          It’s easy to blurt out just with the tongue - in fact, it turns out to be more difficult, and the hands are in blood ...
      2. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 20
        0
        Lavrenty Palych for a one-stage air purification system would shoot designers as pests
  4. John22
    John22 22 March 2018 12: 25
    +1
    Horseradish modernization!
    1. Romario_Argo
      Romario_Argo 25 March 2018 10: 28
      0
      envy silently!
      soon a letter is coming "B4"
  5. chingachguc
    chingachguc 22 March 2018 13: 42
    +1
    yes, this is a temporary measure ... it was unpleasantly struck by the anti-aircraft machine gun and the joint of the tower and the hull, in which the bearded ones will aim every time ... but what is inside - no one knows ((
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 22 March 2018 17: 03
      +4
      Quote: chingachguc
      the junction of the tower and the hull in which the bearded will aim every time.

      Right! I have seen more than once in the tundra or potato fighters aiming for commander's towers, hatches of mech.-vodov, viewing gaps, sniper beating under the tower. But believe in life it is much harder to do. Or maybe you think that the chains of “carrots” greatly reduce the risk of getting under the tower, or do “thick” rubber bands allow you to do this? They can’t protect them from the sub-caliber in any way, and with cumulative benefits they are like a dead poultice (theoretically, but no one asked the dead how really smile )
      1. chingachguc
        chingachguc 22 March 2018 19: 03
        0
        The upgraded T-80 is even more or less. The T-72 is worse. It is necessary to work more carefully during modernization, to cover the gaps to the maximum. Here the sides were closed and the rear of the tower, the grilles again ... how much was said about it ... Each such modernization is a million bucks, the customer could download the right. But for some reason they don’t download it. On the T-90MS, the joint was covered with hanging grids, managed ...
      2. chingachguc
        chingachguc 22 March 2018 19: 06
        0
        //topwar.ru/57854-osnovnoy-tank-vt4-kitay.h
        tml
        that's how it should
  6. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 22 March 2018 14: 33
    +1
    Modernization should relate to and go through a certain amount of obsolete equipment (which will remain in the aircraft until a certain time), but in no way to the detriment of the latest MBTs - Armata (T-14) and T-90M. And the modernized T-72 B3 and T-80BVM must live their life and serve their term with dignity (taking into account modernization)
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 22 March 2018 19: 52
      +1
      in the foreseeable future, “Almaty” is unlikely to replace modern tanks. Maybe they rivet on the Kantemirovskaya division - and stop. There are no worthy goals for them yet. And it’s very expensive to change the whole park.
  7. bnm.99
    bnm.99 22 March 2018 15: 32
    0
    And what about the T-80U and T-80UD? What kind of cars are these? Where and how did you serve? Why are they not being upgraded? As if they were not and are not. Tell someone where you can read interesting for them. And then, apart from advertising and descriptive articles and materials, there is nothing at all in the press or on the net.
  8. SKS_PRO
    SKS_PRO 22 March 2018 16: 25
    0
    Quote: chingachguc
    and why the remote machine gun armored shields?

    And what is “armor” in it? Well, not touching the fact that he is just next to the machine gun)
    1. chingachguc
      chingachguc 22 March 2018 16: 31
      0
      the armor plate for the shooter, that is, the tank commander ... there is no remote control there. Tankers in the old fashion will have to protrude from the tank, substituting for snipers.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 22 March 2018 17: 56
        +7
        This shield, apparently, was stuck to UVZ, as it was to the native 72 - out of habit laughing At 64 and 80 they were not, because The NSV was controlled from within.
  9. svp67
    svp67 22 March 2018 17: 25
    +3
    An unnamed source in the military department told the publication about the decision to use the 9K119 Reflex guided weapon system in the new project.
    And what is the meaning of leaving the expired "Cobra" ... It is clear that this complex is being abandoned and it is not difficult to do it. Why it is possible to change the standard sight of the gunner 1G42 PDPS, for his improved version 1G46 PDPN. Or install the 1K113 night sight variant ... In short, this is not the most difficult task. I don’t understand one thing, why there is no desire to install a fighting compartment from the T-80M on the T-90 chassis ... which would greatly facilitate the issue of training and supply. And the question is not clear whether there is an additional engine on this tank for the operation of the FCS on the spot.
    1. 113262a
      113262a 25 March 2018 10: 19
      +1
      Yes, it’s not difficult if it weren’t where the MPL was done! Will ROSTEH be able to rivet these very PINE on all t-80? And it is necessary to refuse Cobra, sooooo moody crap! They in the 80s were not past due through one to the turn of 1100 and fell in half. The slightest defect in the tray or the mistake of the crew — and LADS were covered with a copper basin! And are there any diagnostic kungs left for them?
  10. yttg
    yttg 22 March 2018 18: 23
    0
    Old tank with new features

    Old, it is old.
    1. Lars971a
      Lars971a 22 March 2018 20: 23
      +3
      This junk can compete on equal terms with the T-90
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 25
        0
        Especially in terms of the cost of units, the crap and the high cost of military operation, it generally falls on the shoulder blades with dubious equal opportunities in battle
  11. san4es
    san4es 22 March 2018 19: 35
    +2
    To strengthen armored formations, it is proposed to use improved combat vehicles of the T-80BVM type. soldier
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 March 2018 20: 50
    0
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    Do T-80 armies be needed? Of course we need! For the arctic military force! That's where the GTD will be very good! But is it necessary to significantly increase the number of T-80 "vobche" in the sun? There is some “quantity” in the Principality of Moscow, and that “for the eyes” is enough! Build escho and 3 type of tank (and this is without "Armata" ...)!? Okay, there are some kindred “ties” between the T-72 and the T-90, and the T-80 is a great tank (!) ... from the T-72 / 90! Why else complicate logistics?

    Urgently replace the GABTU leadership!
  13. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 March 2018 20: 53
    +1
    Quote: yttg
    Old tank with new features

    Old, it is old.

    And you have not forgotten how old: “Leo” or “Abroche”, probably not even younger?
  14. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 March 2018 21: 02
    0
    Quote: Sailor
    Iosif Visarionovich at the helm of the state and Lavrenty Pavlovich, the Prime Minister would put everything in its place, and the weapons would be delivered on time and the number would correspond to the state program, and the oligarchs would vying to offer to build ships, ships, airplanes, etc. " depending on the number of people stolen from the people, I’m even afraid to imagine what would happen to Chubais!

    You forgot: I.V. was the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars, an example of modern times, and L. P was a "fireman", where is a breakthrough and Lee. P. "flies" there
    1. Sailor
      Sailor April 23 2018 11: 53
      0
      The essence of the matter does not change.
  15. Monarchist
    Monarchist 22 March 2018 21: 17
    0
    T80BVM or T80 beats or whatever it is, all variations on the “Tank Yes March”. At one time, the machine was "revolutionary" and to some extent premature. The union broke up and the T80 turned out to be "superfluous": it was more expensive to operate and more complicated. I had to speak with the commander
    T80 and he said that his tank had a "sore spot" - a dvigun complex. Diesel is easier
    1. 113262a
      113262a 25 March 2018 10: 27
      +3
      Brechet your commander! 83-85 was a CT in the GSVG on a combat training, -on mine the entire regiment and in the tail and in the mane, and driving and shooting, and outputs in AZIMUTH 666!. Twice the goose changed me-spurs washed. So-dvigun changed once, according to the regulations, from 1100 to 1200 liters. Not a single failure in the regiment on the motors! And this is in conditions of total sand! Nearby, the Germans stood at 72, there it was tin-MTO, the lid on two bolts was attached, so that it could turn faster! In the heat boiled mercilessly! And we had one trouble — worthless batteries, without them t-80- 42,5 tons of scrap metal!
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 28
        0
        Where did you find tons of sand in Germany? Based on a Baltic beach?
  16. Proton
    Proton 22 March 2018 22: 42
    +1
    At such a rate of updating modifications, 31 tanks per year out of several thousand (how many of these several thousand are not clear), why should it be updated? It will become obsolete about the complete renewal of the entire T-80 fleet recourse
  17. tchoni
    tchoni 23 March 2018 06: 27
    0
    It’s not enough, they see, the towers were torn off by them to the Chichen company, not enough. What then was the regime in power was apathetic and bandit-raging, and it was decided that the car should be changed ....
    1. 113262a
      113262a 25 March 2018 10: 30
      0
      Any tank after breaking through scrap metal! Though cumulative, even though the BP crew just do not care!
  18. Lesorub
    Lesorub 24 March 2018 19: 39
    +2
    Where is the "panorama" of the Commander?
    1. Rader
      Rader 24 March 2018 21: 28
      0
      Quote: Lesorub
      //topwar.ru/57854-osnovnoy-tank-vt4-kitay.h
      tml

      In the same place as on the T-72 and T-90 of various modifications. He is not there.
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  19. serge siberian
    serge siberian 25 March 2018 18: 53
    +1
    Once I heard that they wanted to use these tanks as a fist in Europe, 3 days before the English Channel. Moreover, the fuel at any gas station was entih.
    1. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 30
      0
      Well yes. Because it wasn’t really possible to fill this herd in such volumes.
  20. tank66
    tank66 25 March 2018 22: 31
    0
    Damn: when in Tedjen, in 1984, with one eye I wanted to take a look, something was whistling and flying around the Karakum Mountains, the guard of the landfill almost shot me down.
    Question / for self-education / - a, what a box with a gas turbine engine, in comparison with a simple diesel engine can not be started without a battery. Well, from air cylinders, or coast from a hill / in a peasant / or stupidly in battle, shot, putting on the 1st speed / or back - depending on where you shoot / rollback still 4-5 tracks ...
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 25 March 2018 22: 40
      +5
      Quote: tank66
      stupidly in combat, with a shot, putting it at the first speed / or rear - depending on where you shoot / rollback still 1-4 tracks ...

      It’s where you started tanks so bravely, let me ask?
      1. tank66
        tank66 26 March 2018 11: 08
        0
        Guess the pics.



        We were slobs.
    2. mkpda
      mkpda 26 March 2018 14: 21
      0
      The GTD-1000T family is built according to the scheme with a free turbine. Therefore, the T-80 does not stall when stopped and cannot be started from the pusher. With discharged batteries, only light it.
      1. tank66
        tank66 28 March 2018 09: 14
        0
        Thank you. I assumed something like that. And therefore, the tadpoles / in my opinion / would not hinder, along with nanorobots and hyperlasers, to develop / preferably wearable "in the bosom" / compact source of lighting, and on the outside of the case an "outlet" to speed up the connection process to the tank’s power system. If it were / let’s call the conditional launcher /, at least in one instance for a platoon, the time when TB or TP machines left the fleet / I remember that such a standard was worked out in the CA during spring and autumn "checks" / would be significantly reduced. And the number of ton-man-hours per battery party by tank crews / remember-startled / would be reduced to a reasonable one.
    3. 113262a
      113262a 27 March 2018 19: 59
      +1
      And if there is no mechanical connection between the turbine and the transmission? But it is not here! Though blow there, even shoot yourself! In addition to starting the SG (starter-generator), there is no other option!
    4. SARANCHA1976
      SARANCHA1976 27 September 2018 18: 31
      0
      No. Only from akb
  21. Kibernes
    Kibernes 28 March 2018 18: 01
    0
    Our army does not need a third type of tank. Not needed.
  22. VictorZhivilov
    VictorZhivilov April 8 2018 10: 30
    0
    And why not conduct a more radical modernization of the T-80? Moreover, the background and prerequisites were. request
    https://topwar.ru/657-obekt-292-takim-dolzhen-byl
    -byt-t-95.html