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Toxic substances "Novice": do not exist, but used?

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The case of the poisoning of the former employee of the Russian GRU Sergey Skrypal has already managed to reach the international level. Britain accuses Russia of organizing the assassination attempt, while official Moscow denies any involvement in it. The British authorities have already promised to take measures against the Russian side and punish it for alleged activities on its territory. According to the British, S. Skripal suffered from a toxic chemical substance called “Novice”.


For the first time, the name “Beginner” sounded in the context of the latest events of March 12. British Prime Minister Theresa May, speaking in parliament, announced the use of a poisonous substance with a similar name. In addition, she immediately found a couple of opportunities to blame Russia. According to her, the recent attempt was either committed by the Russian state or allowed because of the loss of control over the chemical industry. weapons. However, sufficient evidence of the guilt or involvement of the Russian special services, as often happens, was not cited.

Despite the heightened interest on the part of the world community, very little is known about the CEL of the “Novice” family. Moreover, almost all information about such weapons is obtained from one source, which, moreover, may not cause much confidence. However, this does not prevent the emergence of new publications, as well as the formation of unexpected versions. For example, by the forces of the foreign press, substances like “Novice” have already been able to “tie” to the loud murder of past years.



For the first time about the poison gas of the “Novice” line it became known in September 1992. It was then that the newspaper "Moscow news»Published an article" Poisoned Politics "written by Wil Mirzayanov, a former employee of the State Research Institute for Organic Chemistry and Technology (GosNIIOKhT). In his article, V. Mirzayanov criticized the military and political leadership of Russia, and also accused him of violating existing international agreements on chemical weapons. He argued that the development and production of warfare in our country is not curtailed and continues.

It should be noted that the publication of the article in "Moscow News" was followed by very remarkable events. A criminal case about the disclosure of state secrets was opened against its author. The investigation lasted more than a year, but in the spring of 1994, the case was closed due to the lack of corpus delicti. Shortly thereafter, V. Mirzayanov engaged in political activities and is still in opposition to the federal authorities. In 1996, he went to the USA, where he continued social and political work.

Information about the project “Novice” was published by V. Mirzayanov not only in one of the Russian newspapers. Subsequently, the theme of the newest CWA was repeatedly raised by other publications, cited in the memoirs of the employee GosNIIOKhT, etc. Also, from a certain time in this context certain documents appeared, allegedly describing the technological process and the composition of the poisonous substance. Using all this data, you can try to make a big picture. However, we should not forget that the overwhelming majority of information was obtained from the same source, and, moreover, suspected, at least, of bias.

It was reported that the development of new warfare began in the seventies and lasted until the early nineties, including after the appearance of the Soviet-American agreement on chemical weapons 1990 year. Within the framework of the program with the code "Foliant", Soviet specialists created more than a hundred new substances, but only a few of them had advantages over existing ones. All of them were consolidated into the conditional family “Novice”. Despite the fact that the work on such substances was completed, the USSR or Russia did not accept them.

According to other data, the result of the project "Foliant" was the emergence of three unitary chemical agents - A-232, A-234 and "Substance 33". Then, on their basis, they created five binary toxic substances with the common name “Novice” and their own numbers. All these substances belong to the category of nerve paralytics and differ from older analogues by increased efficiency.

According to one of the versions, the CEL under the name “Novice” without an additional number was the Soviet version of the V-gas in binary version. This substance allegedly reached production and since the early eighties has been produced in Novocheboksarsk in relatively large quantities.

On the basis of agent A-232, a binary gas “Novice-5” was created, exceeding the older VX in combat performance in 5-8. As stated, poisoning with such a substance is extremely difficult to treat with standard antidotes used in cases with other BOV. "Novice-5" could be produced in Volgograd and tested at one of the objects of the Uzbek SSR.

With the use of the substance A-230 a binary substance “Novice-7” was created. According to its volatility, it allegedly was comparable to soman, but at the same time differed many times more toxic. Low-tonnage production and testing of the seventh “Novice”, according to some data, were carried out by the branch of GosNIIOKhT in Shikhany (Saratov region) and continued until the 1993 year.

There are some references to “Novices” with 8 and 9 numbers, but almost nothing is known about them. According to known data, such substances were actually developed, but not produced, not tested and not accepted for service.

In 1990, the United States and the USSR agreed to stop the creation and production of chemical weapons. In January, 1993, a number of countries, including Russia, signed a new Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. In accordance with these documents, the countries parties to the agreements could no longer develop, produce and use chemical warfare agents. Already produced substances, in turn, should be disposed of in a safe way. According to official data, by the time the Convention was signed, the Russian chemical industry had stopped developing and releasing WWW. Together with other projects, the "Folio" was closed. Now, the industry had to solve a new problem and dispose of the existing 40 thousand tons of chemical weapons.

Until a certain time, information about the substances of the “Novice” family was extremely scarce. Only from one source was known about their existence, and later came the approximate data on the composition of the family. However, the formulas of substances remained unknown, and until now specialists have to rely solely on estimates and assumptions. Moreover, some of the assumptions are refuted and criticized.

It is curious that soon after the article in “Moscow News” the American edition of The Baltimore Sun published its material on Soviet and Russian projects in the field of chemical weapons. The author of the article "Russia still holds a secret ban ban" argued that he was able to talk with representatives of the Soviet chemical industry and find out some details of recent works. In particular, it was The Baltimore Sun that first announced information about an accident while developing “Beginners”.

It was alleged that in one of the laboratories working on the Rookie-1987 project in 5 a ventilation failure had occurred. The concentration of the toxic substance quickly reached dangerous values, and the chemist working with him was seriously injured. He was able to get to the hospital on time and provide the necessary assistance. However, the specialist 10 days stayed unconscious, and the treatment took another six months. The chemist was unable to return to work and was disabled. Later it was announced that Andrei Zheleznyakov was the poisoned specialist. According to foreign press reports, he passed away in the 1993 year.

Subsequently, new reports of accidents or the use of gases of the “Newcomer” family were not published. However, the main sources of information about these BOV continued to talk about them, mostly repeating already known information. The most interesting data is, first of all, the chemical composition of toxic substances, production technology, etc. - remained unknown, and so far in this context only assumptions and estimates appear.

According to official data, our country stopped the development of new chemical warfare agents in the early nineties, after the first agreement with the United States. Shortly thereafter, a program began to utilize existing stocks, which was successfully completed last year. The completion of this work was announced on 27 on September 2017. Soon, the control structures of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons confirmed this. In the context of the “Foliant” project, this means that the “Novice” gases, if released, were disposed of in order to fulfill their obligations.

However, it should be noted that notifications of the Novice gas line did not appear in the reports on the course of destruction of reserves of CWA. Once again, it is worth recalling that their existence became known from unofficial sources, and they were not mentioned in the documents on the recycling program. Obviously, for the most banal reason - due to the fact that they did not exist.

A hypothetical project of Soviet scientists with a dubious past was recalled just a few days ago. On March 4, a former employee of the GRU, previously convicted of espionage, Sergey Skripal and his daughter Julia were admitted to a British hospital in Salisbury. According to official data from the internal affairs agencies of the United Kingdom, analyzes have shown that the victims were poisoned by a substance of the nerve agent, but the specific type of poison was not specified.

12 March in the British Parliament with a report on the situation made by Prime Minister Theresa May. It was she who first pronounced the name “Novice” with reference to a recent incident. Soon, British officials demanded from Russia complete data on the Novice program development program. Also in official statements there were threats of an economic and political nature directly connected with the “Russian aggression” and the alleged guilt of Russia in recent events.

14 March, a meeting of the UN Security Council was held, during which London officially accused Moscow of violating the existing Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons. The next day, the head of the British Foreign Ministry, Boris Johnson, said that the UK has some evidence of Russia's involvement in S. Skrypall's poisoning.

Of particular interest is the reaction of the foreign press to recent events. Some publications — expectedly distinguished by an obvious anti-Russian stance — tried to find or think out proofs of the use of Novices in the past, without relying on the statements of V. Mirzayanov or the publication The Baltimore Sun.

For example, at once in several mass media people remembered the death of businessman Ivan Kivelidi, poisoned in August 1995. As the investigation found out then, the poisonous substance was applied by the killers to the membrane of the telephone tube. During the conversation, the substance was sprayed, falling on the skin and in the respiratory tract. The poison could not kill the victim immediately, but the businessman had several chronic diseases that got worse, and after a few days he died. Also his secretary-assistant, who had contact with the poisoned telephone, passed away. According to some information, the investigative authorities, who worked in I. Kivelidi's office, also felt unwell.

A number of details of the criminal case were never published, which became a good basis for speculations and outright speculations. Thus, it was previously claimed that the poisonous substance could be synthesized at the branch of GosNIIOKhT in Shikhany. In the same place, according to V. Mirzayanov, "Beginners" were issued. Such "facts" have allowed some domestic and foreign publications to suggest that I. Kivelidi was poisoned with the use of the BOB line "Novice". It hardly needs to be reminded that this version does not have any actual evidence and is more like an attempt to “work out the informational occasion” in the right way.

Obviously, recent statements by the British leadership were not the last, and real steps may even follow. Russia, in turn, will defend its interests and fight unjust accusations. How exactly events will develop in the international arena, and what the warring parties will reach, it remains only to guess. Only one thing is clear: the situation will worsen and the countries will not be able to improve relations for a long time.

While politicians are dealing with accusations, it is worth paying attention once again to the main features of the situation around Novice substances. The existence of such CWA is known only from a pair of sources that are often criticized for their bias and therefore can hardly be considered reliable or objective. At the same time, Russian officials refute the existence of Novices. Moreover, the absence of chemical weapons in Russia is confirmed by the regulatory authorities.

A few days ago, the opinion of the existence of substances "Novice" was supported by the British authorities, which, however, still does not allow him to outweigh the arguments of the other party. In addition, while we are talking only about the statements of officials who are not directly related to the investigation, as well as the absence of real evidence or, at least, their publication.

It is easy to see that the situation around the recent poisoning of a former employee of the Russian special services has already moved from the category of simple criminal cases to the political sphere. As a result, the actions of the official London will now be determined not only by the need to identify the poisoners, but also by the political goals of the government. And in such a situation, not every proof or refutation will be considered as such. As we can see, information about the absence of the Novovok CWA in Russia or other types of chemical weapons has already become a victim of this approach, and the British are no longer interested.

What will happen next and how the situation will worsen in the international arena is unknown. The only thing that can delight in such circumstances is the extreme carelessness of the British side. All known data suggest that the UK version is at least illogical and has problems. Moreover, from some points of view, it looks completely erroneous, since it is based on inaccurate information. However, the British authorities have already done and said too much to stop and admit the mistake.


On the materials of the sites:
http://ria.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://rg.ru/
http://kommersant.ru/
http://bbc.co.uk/
https://svoboda.org/
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/
https://mil.ru/
http://opcw.org/
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  1. Vard
    Vard 16 March 2018 06: 35
    +10
    All such rubbish is chemically very unstable and is used by mixing immediately before use ... And therefore they are called binary OV ... That is why it is practically impossible to poison the mother-in-law ... So the British say so do not understand chemistry .. From the word at all .. .
    1. Falcond
      Falcond 16 March 2018 11: 05
      +3
      Have you heard anything about unitary before making such statements ???
      1. svp67
        svp67 16 March 2018 11: 48
        +2
        Quote: FalconD
        Have you heard anything about unitary before making such statements ???

        What unitary are these? Classic Soman and VX Gases? That is, ready to eat?
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 16 March 2018 12: 28
          +5
          There are simpler ways the same plant or animal poisons, horsemeat for example. It is enough to simply select a similar effect on poisoning with nerve agents, excluding the effect on non-target extras. Everyone who was near Skripal "became ill" only after they were informed that there was a poisonous substance. People were "sick" in the cafe where there was polonium for Litvinenko, although how could he get half of the visitors to the cafe. The continuous placebo effect and nothing more. And for the purposes of the Russophobic information campaign, they called what they were preparing to provocatively poison the Syria.
          1. svd-xnumx
            svd-xnumx 16 March 2018 21: 34
            +7
            Everyone who was near Skripal "became ill" only after they were informed that there was a poisonous substance
            The picture of the "crime scene survey" was especially touched: chemists in protective suits, and people with machine guns nearby (police or army hz) even without masks. The unreasonable ones don’t even learn about the mistakes Russia snorted at them during provocations in Syria.
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 16 March 2018 21: 53
      0
      Quote: Vard
      very unstable and is applied by mixing just before use ... and therefore they are called binary OBs ...

      Who told you such nonsense? Ready sarin is stored for a long time? and if they are in binary form? something like this
      Binary compositions of nerve agents used in the US Army:
      Zarin (GB-2) - methylphosphonic acid difluorohydride (DF) and isopropanol (IP);
      Soman (GD-2) - methylphosphonic acid difluorohydride (DF) and pinacolinic alcohol (KZ);
      Vi-gas (VX-2) - O- (2-diisopropylaminoethyl) -O-ethylmethylphosphonite (QL) and sulfur powder or liquid dialkyl polysulfides (NM).
      They strive to make binary OM because in this case the storage of the “halves” separately makes them safe - you can not worry about leaks and accidents.
  2. Whowhy
    Whowhy 16 March 2018 07: 40
    +2
    Here is an interesting publication too. This interview has probably been around twenty years: https://studfiles.net/preview/6724813/page:2/
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 18 March 2018 13: 50
      +2
      There is another option for the "beginner".

      In the 60s, the developers of the concept of military confrontation in the USSR, the General Staff, or the Ministry of Defense, decided that the use of chemical warfare agents was conceptually not effective. Therefore, the entry of new OM into the troops was stopped a long time ago, before the 80s.
      But in order to get rational grain out of the situation, it was proposed to create the appearance of enhanced development. Of course, the development was carried out for a purely scientific purpose, but the OM industry did not create on a strategic or even tactical scale. But the information feed was set up in such a way as to activate the opposition of the conditional opponent. To force him to spend material resources on this counteraction. It is said that for the 80s this amount of expenditures for the USA was about 10 billion. What added to the crisis in the crisis of capitalism of the 80s. Reagan then turned the printing press and launched the US debt economy program.

      The term "novice" itself, came from the KGB operations to detect the source of information leakage to create OM in the USSR. The mole was found and used as a disinfectant.

      About the current moment, draw your own conclusions.
      1. iouris
        iouris 20 March 2018 17: 07
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        About the current moment, draw your own conclusions.

        The "newbie" does not exist, no one has seen Skripal, but everyone is sure that they know who the "evil empire" is. Moreover, the population of the "empire" is subjected to economic oppression. This is the essence of the moment.
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 16 March 2018 09: 03
    +3
    However, the British authorities have already done and said too much to stop and admit the mistake.
    That’s for sure, they won’t cut the back, and hysteria didn’t raise for justice ... Yes, there are too many suspicious “white threads” in this story to believe in the righteousness of the British anger - independent experts in this muddy mix of facts, conjectures and interpretations never understand will not give ....
  4. Operator
    Operator 16 March 2018 09: 09
    +1
    The main document regulating the situation with chemical weapons is currently the international Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production and Testing of this Type of WMD, which was signed by almost all countries of the world.

    The Convention was opened for signature in 1992, but entered into force only in 1997, i.e. the ban on the development, production and testing only came into effect five years later, before that it was possible to operate with chemical weapons as much as needed, so all the screams of the former employee of the Moscow State Research Institute Mirzayanov is nothing at all.

    The Convention contains a clear record against provocations with chemical weapons - for each fact of its use, it is imperative to contact the specialized international organization of the OPCW, which alone is authorized to carry out investigative actions. I didn’t apply - blame yourself, which happened to Britain as a result of the Salisbury incident.

    In any case, the Russian Federation in 2017 was the first of the largest countries to report on the complete destruction of stockpiles of all types of chemical weapons (no difference between “newcomers” and not “newcomers”). The storage of laboratory stockpiles of poisonous substances, both of their own and of third-party development, in scanty quantities is not prohibited by the Convention (with the aim of investigating incidents with chemical weapons), but they are under the multistage control of special services.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 18 March 2018 14: 27
      0
      The use of organic matter in modern warfare is conceptually not profitable.

      Western media create fake news based on the agreement that you described. To PROVIDE moral law, make the right decision through the US Congress.

      US congressmen make a decision based on fake news.

      Managing the world through a powerful state can be done by creating fake news.
      As a result, we realize the concept of capitalism - money dictates power.

      Loot steers, um ...
      1. Operator
        Operator 18 March 2018 15: 54
        0
        In the case of Salisbury, this is not about war, but about a terrorist attack against civilians.

        The use of any organophosphorus nerve agent for the targeted elimination of a specific person (such as Skripal) is extremely unprofitable, since these substances have a long aftereffect and affect an indefinite circle of people in contact with a particular person. Which is clearly not included in the task of eliminating a specific person.

        Consequently, the use of the nerve agent in Salisbury was a terrorist attack and, judging by the current agreement of the British Foreign Secretary, to attract Russian chemical weapons experts, is the work of a third party.
  5. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 16 March 2018 09: 16
    +14
    Britannia. At the bar, a man stands in the OZK and mixed reagents.
    "Newbie," thought Stirlitz.
  6. sevtrash
    sevtrash 16 March 2018 09: 19
    0
    Everything looks somehow strange. To poison Skripal that Russia, that Putin does not make sense, are solid minuses. And they blame Russia, and they do it with incomprehensible certainty, but evidence has not yet been seen.
    It seems like a setup whose, it’s easy to imagine. Perhaps revenge for Syria, for the elections dedicated to the elections. Surely there are also double agents, such as Skripal, who can work out even in Moscow, though in the UK, and then disappear completely or, as an option, then appear in the media as "realized and repented." Maybe everything is simpler, such as "a cat who brought a dead mouse as a present to the owner." ISIS with a gift from Syria, or someone else. But this does not explain the reaction of the West, apparently the trace / target designation towards Russia has been left quite obvious, and this is a high level of elaboration, without the main solver, probably not to be pulled.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 March 2018 11: 02
      +5
      "To poison Skripal that Russia, that Putin does not make sense" ///

      Punish the traitor for betrayal. Like Litvienko, like many others.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 16 March 2018 11: 48
        +6
        Skripal is not a defector slipping behind a cordon; they would like to, would be put in jail, dumping everything on a criminal showdown. And what's the point of poisoning seven years after the exchange.
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 20 March 2018 01: 36
          +2
          That's right, a heart attack in the zone.
      2. svp67
        svp67 16 March 2018 11: 51
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Punish the traitor for betrayal. Like Litvienko, like many others.

        And you are aware that the British court could not prove the involvement of the Russian authorities in the destruction of Litvinenko.
        But not even that. How strange it turns out, our traitor lives perfectly not only in England, but also in the USA and in other foreign countries, but only in England they need to be destroyed ... Although the same Kalugin in the USA deserves this more than Skripal.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 16 March 2018 12: 09
          +2
          In England (until the last case) it was simply easier to work. In the States, the FBI is very effective. And the diplomatic and economic "otvetka" from the States is always more significant than from England. And political immigrants have long sought asylum in England because of a state-independent judiciary. It is not for nothing that Russia carried out all its arbitral disputes with Ukraine in the Court of London. And she won, despite the political trump cards of Ukraine.
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 March 2018 12: 14
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            In the States, the FBI is very effective.

            You might think that MI-5 is not as effective
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And the diplomatic and economic "otvetka" from the States is always more significant than from England.

            And here there is no difference, hooking England you get an answer from the United States.
            Quote: voyaka uh
            And political immigrants have long sought asylum in England because of a state-independent judiciary.

            Not quite right. They used English justice, but they could live anywhere
            Quote: voyaka uh
            It is not for nothing that Russia carried out all its arbitral disputes with Ukraine in the Court of London.

            Again not true. Economic affairs are resolved in Sweden
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 20 March 2018 01: 37
            +1
            For trump cards U4rains made laugh. This is when 3 yards begged, spent and refused to return? This is not trump cards, this is a kid.
      3. demiurg
        demiurg 16 March 2018 16: 31
        +4
        Fighter, you, unlike me, are an adequate person. Do you really believe that the bloody tyrant reached out to these fighters with the bloody regime? Then the news shows that his daughter brought poison to England. His death did not give Russia anything, much less give such trump cards to liberoids before the election.
        My sofa IMHO:
        1. What is the case with Litvinenko, that with Skripal, the Russian Federation makes no sense in exponential execution.
        2. There is not a single 100%, but at least some evidence that Polonium or Novichok were delivered from the Russian Federation.
        3. Both cases occurred at a very convenient time.

        If poisoned with superpuperexotic poison, if killed with a brush, then platinum, and with diamond inlay in the form of the coat of arms of the USSR. Do you understand that this is a game? Project the actions of the GRU on the Mossad. Did he do such exotic things?
        1. Deck
          Deck 16 March 2018 21: 12
          +2
          Firstly, we did not produce it, all this is fiction.
          Secondly - we destroyed it long ago
          Thirdly, we require you to provide a sample so that we can compare
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 16 March 2018 21: 16
          +2
          If there weren’t a wild case with Litvienko, I would doubt the wild case with Skripal. The methods are really wild. But, you see, they were first worked out inside Russia. Both polonium and nerve poison killed several prominent people in the near-business-near-political showdowns in the 90s. And all deaths were attributed to natural diseases. Special services have trained, so to speak. And, apparently, they decided that abroad would work fine. If one doctor had not insisted on testing for radioactivity, Litvienko’s death would also be attributed to natural causes. And the remnants of polonium would quickly disappear themselves - and the matter is "sewn-covered." So with this poison gas. It is not stable, decomposes itself after a while. The person has died, and the evidence disappears.
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 16 March 2018 21: 37
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            If there weren’t a wild case with Litvienko, I would doubt the wild case with Skripal. The methods are really wild.

            These cases are meaningless if they are considered as actions of public services. Negatives, minuses from such demonstrativity are much greater. Using them is simply unprofessional. And as a setup from the opposite side - it’s quite logical. Look at the effect - in what other way could this be achieved.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 16 March 2018 23: 50
              +1
              "Negativity, there are much more minuses from such demonstrativity" ///

              I agree with you. But revenge is an irrational factor. Because of a sense of revenge (as well as jealousy), the most absurd acts have been committed more than once in history. Not bringing any profit to the avengers. Over the past few years, I have seen so many emotional and at the same time irrational actions of Russia that one more did not surprise me very much. "Russia cannot be understood by the mind" ...
              1. Grid
                Grid 17 March 2018 04: 21
                +3
                I agree with you. But revenge is an irrational factor.

                Yeah. That's only politics at this level can only be purely rational.
                Because of a sense of revenge (as well as jealousy), the most absurd acts have been committed more than once in history.

                Very rare, actually. But a passing motive could be quite often.
                Over the past few years, I have seen so many emotional and at the same time irrational actions of Russia,

                So please give me at least one example.
                "Russia cannot be understood by the mind" ...

                Yeah. If there is no mind, and the brains are purged by propaganda.
              2. sevtrash
                sevtrash 17 March 2018 10: 12
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                I agree with you. But revenge is an irrational factor. Because of a sense of revenge (as well as jealousy), the most absurd acts have been committed more than once in history. Not bringing any profit to the avengers.

                I doubt very much that Skripal was so embittered with Putin or someone from the Russian leadership that he would be pointedly poisoned. Extremely illogical.
                Everything is simple, really. Such poisoning of Skripal to Russia and Putin is more than harmful and completely unprofitable. For Americans (British, ...) it is precisely such poisoning that is most beneficial in terms of its impact on Russia and Putin, including as revenge. The conclusion is obvious.
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 17 March 2018 13: 36
                  0
                  "such a poisoning of Skripal is more than harmful" ////

                  That - failed - yes. But imagine being poisoned neatly. The man was buried, the poison self-decomposed. No traces. Another traitor is deleted from the list. As a warning to the rest: "this is what happens when an intelligence officer cheats on me."
                  And now your hypothesis: the setup of the intelligence services of England. With the most striking political effect, they will be exposed and imprisoned. In England, intelligence workers are not the highest untouchable caste. Ordinary middle-ranking officials who do not forgive mistakes. The opposition will do everything to expose them in order to drown the ruling party. Same May.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 17 March 2018 13: 46
                    +8
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    With the most striking political effect, they will be exposed and imprisoned. In England, intelligence officers are not the highest untouchable caste ... The opposition will do everything to expose them to drown the ruling party

                    It's just interesting - do you yourself believe in what you write here?
                    Tales, after all ... for primary school children request
                  2. sevtrash
                    sevtrash 17 March 2018 15: 17
                    0
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    That - failed - yes. But imagine being poisoned neatly. The man was buried, the poison self-decomposed. No traces. Another traitor is deleted from the list. As a warning to the rest: "this is what happens when an intelligence officer cheats on me."

                    Why poison him? A traitor - yes, but why did he surrender so as to poison him so and not yet at the right time? Even if it were so necessary - no other poisons were found? Or ways? Only one that attracts exceptional attention?
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    And now your hypothesis: the setup of the intelligence services of England. With the most striking political effect, they will be exposed and imprisoned. In England, intelligence workers are not the highest untouchable caste. Ordinary middle-ranking officials who do not forgive mistakes. The opposition will do everything to expose them in order to drown the ruling party. Same May.

                    Do you seriously believe that the special services work "clean hands"? Are there such solid angels for themselves who cannot even say a rude word? And they’re not doing covert operations? Don't you know that at all? Are you like this, seriously?
                    A particular team or group worked out, on a separate order, verbally, etc. Ask someone from Mossad, they can easily enlighten. In extreme cases, you can watch a movie of some kind, it will also help.
              3. ssergn
                ssergn 17 March 2018 11: 03
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                irrational factor. Because of a sense of revenge (as well as jealousy), the most absurd acts have been committed more than once in history. Not bringing any profit to the avengers. Over the past few years, I have seen so many emotional and at the same time irrational actions of Russia that one more did not surprise me very much. "Russia cannot be understood by the mind" ...


                Warrior, you are an intelligent person. Do you really think so or just pretend to be?
          2. Cossack 471
            Cossack 471 16 March 2018 23: 59
            0
            WARRIOR EYE And why do the British classify all the deaths of our former in their own country? What do you want to hide? Of course . Litvinenko was best poisons with polonium. for clarity . footprints all over London. the surest proof. A pistol is not easier? From thing docks only a bullet and that English ....
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          3. Grid
            Grid 17 March 2018 04: 15
            0
            If there wasn’t a wild case with Litvienko

            And he was not there. Sorry, but to poison someone with an extremely radioactive and very expensive substance, complete idiocy. At the bondian level. Well revised in London Agent 007 ...
        3. Grid
          Grid 17 March 2018 04: 06
          0
          Did he do such exotic things?

          Not really. Just to Israel, everyone else screamed to the ephedron.
        4. shinobi
          shinobi 18 March 2018 05: 55
          0
          Quite right, the game is complete. SVR liquidators do not work so rudely. Their goals in police reports are either “death from natural causes” or “accident.” In extreme cases, suicide is when someone is in a hurry or screwed up. hi
      4. sevtrash
        sevtrash 16 March 2018 18: 14
        +1
        Punishing in this way and at such a time is an incredible degree of thoughtlessness. The consequences are generally predictable. Forensic Standard / Golden Rule - Look for Who Benefits. It’s not clear, because the British are hardly stupid enough to not understand this. Nevertheless, such a reaction. The most likely explanation is a setup, of good quality, since high-ranking politicians have been led.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 17 March 2018 21: 19
          +1
          "The standard / golden rule of forensics - look for who benefits from it." ////

          No. The golden rule of forensics: draw conclusions strictly on the basis of material evidence, not fantasy. And I remind you that modern forensics was born precisely in Britain. All her methods, starting with fingerprints and ending with video cameras on every corner. Therefore, English forensic experts are trusted in the same way as judges. They are independent of the authorities (no matter how incredible it may seem to Russian citizens).
          1. XXXIII
            XXXIII 17 March 2018 21: 33
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "The standard / golden rule of forensics - look for who benefits from it." ////

            No. The golden rule of forensics: draw conclusions strictly on the basis of material evidence, not fantasy. And I remind you that modern forensics was born precisely in Britain. All her methods, starting with fingerprints and ending with video cameras on every corner. Therefore, English forensic experts are trusted in the same way as judges. They are independent of the authorities (no matter how incredible it may seem to Russian citizens).
            If you take everything that you listed, tell me what the goblin they spoiled the "newcomer" in front of the e / person and did not prevent the incident, but gets what it was even possible to see on camera, as someone sprayed the "Rexona" deodorant. You greatly exaggerate their capabilities, I do not think that you also think they are smarter than you .... hi
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 18 March 2018 11: 27
              +1
              "tell me what the hell they spoiled the" newcomer "in front of the very e / person and did not prevent the incident" ////

              Forensic scientists do not prevent anything. They only investigate crimes.
              To prevent is the task of the country's internal security services. Like the FBI or the FSB.
              And the internal security services of England just do not shine with success. Like
              and their foreign intelligence services (spy services). And those and others are full
              failures.
              1. XXXIII
                XXXIII 18 March 2018 12: 57
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                To prevent is the task of the country's internal security services. Like the FBI or the FSB.
                And the internal security services of England just do not shine with success. Like
                and their foreign intelligence services (spy services). And those and others are full
                failures.

                Here you understand that these are their internal problems, they must provide irrefutable evidence, otherwise you can blame everyone. The statements of the British resemble the rhetoric of fascism that there are guilty people without guilt, but we are not offended, we just go into the pumpkin again. Fortunately, your leadership expressed a neutral position, there is still a head on his shoulders, and the memory has not gone out! Although he suspected that Bibi would shout some kind of stupidity in our direction, it would be better if this barrel of shit passed by ....
                ps. I am sorry for the relatives of the soldiers who died from the terrorist attack on the 585th highway in Samaria: the 21-year-old lieutenant Zav Taoos and the 20-year-old sergeant Nathaniel Kahalani from Elyakim left very young ..... hi
                I agree 100% with the Deputy Oded Forer: “the terrorist should not have stayed alive”, you can’t take such people from ....
                http://news.israelinfo.co.il/events/71192
      5. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 16 March 2018 23: 53
        +4
        WARRIOR WOW Well, you’re keeping us completely idiots. Substitute in full. sanctioned by international obstruction. what for ? This spy is already empty. all that he knew. already told. If you would like to take revenge. probably would have hung. so that there are no traces left. The same story with Assad. to kill 20 people. he doesn’t need chemical weapons. he and the other have a lot. And so chemistry always pops up on time. when it is beneficial to barmaley.
      6. ssergn
        ssergn 17 March 2018 10: 58
        +1
        Yeah, damn it. "Punish" so on time - the presidential election, the World Cup, all this psychosis in Syria.
        That is, in your opinion, in our intelligence and diby?
      7. melelele
        melelele 18 March 2018 22: 58
        0
        enchanting d ....
        After spending 4 years in our prison, after an exchange, having lived for 8 years in a shave, here is DIRECT before the elections and will harass ...
        zombie clowning
        and earlier, they shot films and series about this "newbie"
        apparently having drunk Taraz May, looked at the series and decided to give out a pearl ...
      8. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 20 March 2018 01: 34
        +1
        Warrior, do you respect Mossad? Read the article on Regnum, where the West demanded that Israel recognize the Russian trace, but your government and special services were not led to this. And you are being fought.
    2. Falcond
      Falcond 16 March 2018 11: 23
      +1
      To poison Skripal that Russia, that Putin does not make sense, are solid minuses. And they blame Russia, and do it with incomprehensible confidence

      Well, why ... But now, at some of our bureaucrats, the backside is baking on thoughts about his real estate in London ... and if they step on this issue, then in principle there is a certain sense ...
      But this does not mean that Russia did it!
  7. Dormidont
    Dormidont 16 March 2018 10: 12
    +1
    From March 18 to March 30 on all channels watch the mass poisoning of "bloody" gebonya of defenseless burghers, Esquires and farmers
  8. groks
    groks 16 March 2018 10: 15
    +2
    Is there a connection in nature with the given name or it does not exist. It is known that this is FOS. The picture of poisoning by one FOS is not different from the picture of poisoning by another FOS. Even if it will be karbofos. If there are any small nuances in the picture of poisoning (this is the first and not the first thing that is affected), then only the developers know them. Therefore, for a real investigation, it would be necessary not to scandal, but to contact the developers, through the government of the Russian Federation, since the Russian Federation is under suspicion. The scandal just makes a normal investigation impossible.
    The meaning of the scandal. "We will accuse you of anything, without paying the slightest attention to reality." This is aimed at a Western audience, since we do not believe our authorities, much less Western ones.
  9. alex-cn
    alex-cn 16 March 2018 10: 26
    +1
    The method of application is unknown, the composition is unknown ... But done in Russia ... All that they do not know and are afraid of is done in Russia. It used to be blamed on aliens ...
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 March 2018 10: 59
    0
    Good detailed article.
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 March 2018 11: 56
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Good detailed article.

      Except that the author did not understand the difference between classical BOW and binary.
      Russia and all other countries are destroying precisely the classic BWA, since their maintenance requires huge costs, and storage in itself is a huge threat to the population of their own country. But another thing is binary BOV. It simply DOES NOT exist, but there are several components that are separately not as dangerous as the classic OWL. And these components can be stored separately in different parts of the country.
  11. Falcond
    Falcond 16 March 2018 11: 18
    +1

    "UNFINABLE EVIDENCE"
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 16 March 2018 12: 15
      +4
      Newbie!?!?
  12. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 16 March 2018 11: 26
    +1
    There is an opinion that this provocation is an analogue of a run-in at one time on Kaspersky, allegedly working for the FSB, in order to get the source code of its heuristic module, which prevents the virus writers from the NSA and Langley from living in peace. One of the received provocation bonuses in Salisbury, the West is dreaming of getting a detailed technology for the production of the "beginner" type BWOs that were once developed in the USSR / Russia. This is precisely what this name has been voiced for. Most likely, in the case of Litvinenko and Skripal, they didn’t poison them at all with what they say. It follows that no one will receive anything as materials for analysis and investigation. Test tube Powell No. 3 (the second, as we recall, was demonstrated by McLaren for WADA and the IOC).
    1. svp67
      svp67 16 March 2018 11: 58
      +1
      Quote: g1washntwn
      It is believed that this provocation

      Yes, let's say, like true gentlemen, directly and openly: " High probability of involvement England to the organization of this provocation "
    2. mbebebe
      mbebebe 18 March 2018 17: 06
      0
      You are clearly not in the subject of "NSA writers." And obviously not in the subject of viruses.
  13. realist
    realist 16 March 2018 12: 31
    0
    I’m certainly not a chemist, but if we didn’t adopt and produce the gas mentioned above, then it turns out that it was specially made for an operation to eliminate it — are there a lot of hemorrhoids, would it not be easier to kill with an ice ax or prick with an umbrella in your heart?
    Anglo-Saxons are wise, the incident begs ....
  14. alovrov
    alovrov 16 March 2018 14: 01
    +1
    The British mixed everything up, in fact, all of their politicians breathed in the terrible Russian gas Kosyachok.
  15. tar9
    tar9 16 March 2018 17: 26
    0
    Why the hell ... had to be so perverted. It was enough to send a couple of strong guys with iron clubs or knives. And so it is easier to attribute to robbery. A trunk with a hush is also suitable.
    1. emwave
      emwave 16 March 2018 21: 31
      0
      And to catch the fear of the population ... remember Litvinenko Alexander Walterovich and Polonium-210, which you can’t get anywhere else.
  16. tank64rus
    tank64rus 16 March 2018 20: 14
    0
    Poison with combat agents. What for. Agent double has long been released. And that there are no other less exotic ways. It’s just the essence of the idiocy of the charges. This is a threat to all other countries, its essence is we are the masters of the world and with anyone who is against it, we will do whatever we want.
    1. Grid
      Grid 17 March 2018 04: 30
      +1
      we are the masters of the world and with anyone who is against we will do whatever we want.

      Nikita Khrushchev once asked the Queen of England:
      “Do you, Your Majesty, know how many hydrogen bombs are needed to destroy England?”
      -?!
      - I know ...
      Grandmother forgot this conversation, oh forgot ...
  17. emwave
    emwave 16 March 2018 21: 28
    0
    How scary to live ... already terrible!
  18. Procyon lotor
    Procyon lotor 17 March 2018 00: 12
    0
    A number of details of the criminal case have not been published, Surprisingly, two weeks have passed. And the fact that there is still no fame about what substance was used during the "release" of the hostages of Nord Ost
  19. high
    high 17 March 2018 11: 07
    0
    It is strange that the article does not mention the creator of the Novichok combat substance, General Anatoly Kuntsevich
    For several decades, Kuntsevich’s activities attracted the close attention of Israel, who feared that new unconventional weapons developed in the Soviet Union might fall into the hands of terrorist organizations.

    Israel received the first information about experiments on the creation of nerve-fighting substances in the 70s. At the same time, Israeli intelligence first came to the project "Novichok" and its creator, Anatoly Kuntsevich.
    During the perestroika period, these experiments were discontinued, but in the early 90's in Israel they learned that Syria was engaged in similar developments under the leadership of the same general Kuntsevich ..
    In 1995, the U.S. Department of State imposed personal sanctions against Kuntsevich and was charged with smuggling a dual-use substance.
    At the request of Israel, in the early 2000s, to Russia about the development of organic matter by a general in Syria, there was no answer.
    In April 2002, Anatoly Kuntsevich was found dead aboard a plane flying from Syria to Moscow; in Syria they saw Kuntsevich’s death as a “Mossad’s hand”.
    1. Grid
      Grid 17 March 2018 15: 24
      0
      in Syria, they saw in the death of Kuntsevich "the hand of the Mossad."

      And whose else "hand" can you see there?
  20. Old26
    Old26 17 March 2018 19: 22
    +1
    Quote: whowhy
    Here is an interesting publication too. This interview is probably twenty years already: https://studfiles.net/preview/6724813/page:2/

    Andrew! There is a well-known phrase, "Cut the sturgeon at least twice. Regarding your link, I would somewhat rephrase DOUBLE STURGEON
    This publication is chapters from the book International Terrorism and the CIA. The book has survived several editions. I have the second - released in 1982 year. The interview is already 40 years old, at least The first edition, EMNIP, was published in 1976

    Quote: voyaka uh
    "To poison Skripal that Russia, that Putin does not make sense" ///
    Punish the traitor for betrayal. Like Litvienko, like many others.

    You can be punished in different ways. And so that it does not receive such international publicity. As Andrei cited by reference, an interview with a person who was engaged in the development of poison and other means of murder - this could be done quietly. Dripping contact poison on his shoes or clothes. Why, there are probably hundreds of options. Knowing how to “loudly” liquidate before the presidential election is the height of stupidity. What, it was impossible to calculate the reaction of the same May ???
    And such liquidations are effective only for the media, television, but not for those who usually do not shine.
    Yes, and phenomenal stupidity, which rushing from all the cracks. It’s evident that May has such consultants that there’s no need for enemies.
    If, according to them, the tracksuit was saturated with poison and something else in the suitcase, but why didn’t the customs officers and the British, who opened the suitcase under inspection, get poisoned? Binary gas nap, and indeed gas nap are very active. The suitcase is not airtight. However, by a strange coincidence, only two were injured ...
    1. Blackgrifon
      Blackgrifon 17 March 2018 22: 20
      0
      In addition, there are such concepts in law: object, objective side, subject, subjective side. Or simply: motive, guilt, action, the victim. And in this story, each of the elements raises questions. So, something motive is very lame (they themselves gave this spyen). And to arrange a robbery or an accident is much easier, etc.
  21. Old26
    Old26 17 March 2018 19: 27
    +1
    Quote: realist
    I’m certainly not a chemist, but if we didn’t adopt and produce the gas mentioned above, then it turns out that it was specially made for an operation to eliminate it — are there a lot of hemorrhoids, would it not be easier to kill with an ice ax or prick with an umbrella in your heart?
    Anglo-Saxons are wise, the incident begs ....

    And they produced in small quantities, a couple of dozens of tons and took into service. Prostov according to the contract all of these reserves are destroyed. Of course, you can synthesize again, but is it not too "fat" to invest a lot of money in new production when there are other ways ...
  22. shinobi
    shinobi 18 March 2018 06: 04
    0
    In general, usually when they kill in this way, the method of killing is a message to a specific addressee. And only he, the addressee who is in the subject, is able to understand the message. Judging by the hysterical reaction of the Western elites, they perfectly understood from whom. the public.
  23. Altona
    Altona 18 March 2018 11: 48
    0
    Quote: Operator
    In any case, the Russian Federation in 2017 was the first of the largest countries to report on the complete destruction of stockpiles of all types of chemical weapons (no difference between “newcomers” and not “newcomers”). The storage of laboratory stockpiles of poisonous substances, both of their own and of third-party development, in scanty quantities is not prohibited by the Convention (with the aim of investigating incidents with chemical weapons), but they are under the multistage control of special services.

    --------------------
    Newbie, baby ... But we don’t have chemical weapons from the word at all. And the United States still has it.
  24. Altona
    Altona 18 March 2018 14: 32
    +1
    Quote: Old26
    And produced in small quantities


    I already bought on the occasion ... Is it enough? Useful ... hi laughing
  25. Valery56
    Valery56 20 March 2018 12: 35
    +1
    I am surprised at the hype about this incident. There are two nuances. The first. If it was necessary to get rid of Skripal, then he could have been poisoned in prison with sausage from the program. Or drown while fishing in England. Or in the same place to get a bat on the head from criminal Afro-British. Why arrange a scene with dozens of casualties ??? The second one. No technical innovation can exist in secret forever. And in chemistry all the more. A lot of examples. From penicillin to the atomic bomb. And here not far off half a century after development. What does the Russian Federation. Let them dig in their garbage bins themselves, and not poke a finger. There is another option. Let this finger be twisted at your temple like a reversible electric screwdriver. This is all nonsense.
  26. sgapich
    sgapich 22 March 2018 07: 29
    0
    ... and tested at one of the facilities of the Uzbek SSR ...


    Probably in Aralsk-7 on the island of Renaissance in the Aral Sea ...