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Swedes can sleep well: the new "Gripen" goes against Su-57

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Swedes can sleep well: the new "Gripen" goes against Su-57



There is such a country - Sweden. Long. Actually, why not be? Moreover, it is one of the European monarchies. Mostly, the population smaller than Moscow will be, but nonetheless.

The times when the Swedes were doing everything were afraid, they sunk into oblivion. Until recently, the Swedes in general were sort of neutrals like Switzerland. What, however, did not prevent them in the two world wars to be a true source of raw materials for Germany.

But today, Sweden is generally a quiet and peaceful place. They live and live, sometimes, it’s true, bucks, but this is only when Russian submarines enter the fjords with shoals to spawn.

But recently, again ... Spring, apparently.

A rather serious newspaper “Aftonbladet” (“Evening Blade”) published an article that says ... It’s hard to understand, but in principle it’s about the achievements of Swedish aircraft manufacturing. (Så står sig Gripen E - mot ryska superplanet)

No, there are achievements. Saab in the world aviation known and respected. And the combat aircraft of this company are in service not only with the Swedish Air Force, but also with the Air Force of Hungary, Czech Republic, South Africa and Thailand.



And the Bulgarians are more closely looking in the direction of Gripen. And participation in the Indian tender is not a recognition of the world level?

But the fact that Swedish journalists and expert Mr. Bloom babakhnuli in his article “Gripen” against the “Russian super-plane” is a spring search in all respects.

The bottom line is that after a couple of years a new modification of the main Swedish combat aircraft JAS 39 Gripen - “E” will be released.

Well done, congratulations.

But then the authors went overboard with a little bit of hurray-patriotism. Well, yes, the Gripen E series is probably a step towards the fifth-generation Swedish fighter. But why equate it with F-22 and Su-57?

“Su-57 is the first Russian fighter of the fifth generation. With its stealth technology, advanced radar with AFAR and long-range missiles, it responds to the call of the most advanced fighter-interceptor of the USA F-22 "Raptor" - along with the Swedish "Gripen E".

Here so, yes? So imperceptibly, but surely, did the Swedes suddenly stand in one line with those who oppose the “Russian threat”?

And not only did they get up in operation, and it also turns out that this “Gripen E” is, as it were, on a par with the Su-57. Swedes, dear ones, you will forgive me, but in all respects, if we even equate, then at best, with the MiG-35.

Yes, and that is a shame.



Let's be honest: the Russian classmate “Gripen” is the Yak-130.



That is, if so, without pulling the owl on the globe. Because even the MiG-35 looks like a monster next to the "Gripen".

Generally, what is “Gripen”?

Yes, here it is, as in the title. JAS stands for Jakt - fighter, Attack - attack aircraft, Spaning - scout.

Coffee "three in one", and all three components, as it were, are not the best. Although the cocktail "Gripen" in general is not bad and zaborist.

But shoving him to the fifth generation ... Even in perspective ... Years through 10 ... Not comme il faut.

I'll start with stealth. The glider has remained almost the same and there is no talk of a significant reduction in visibility at all.

Put the radar with AFAR. Great, but this is not the 5 generation as it were. The option is useful and modern, but it becomes commonplace with our aircraft.

Meteor supersonic air-to-air missile with a range of 100 km. Good. The Europeans did a lot of work with the rocket, but Gripen was the first to hang it on. So what about the “Meteor” is bad or good, you should talk a little later.

Replaced the engine. Now, instead of the “native” with a fork in the afterburner equal to 8160 kgf, there will be an “American” from F / A-18E, which gives out 9700 kgf in the afterburner. Yes, the maximum speed increased from 2000 km / h to 2350 km / h.

But the supersound in the dischargeless mode can only dream. And where to be with ours, who can do it? The controlled vector of thrust is yes, but today it is also a plus, and not a decisive advantage.

There is also an excellent optical-location system operating in the visible and infrared ranges. But the complex of active defense remained at the level of the fourth generation. Standard set: means of warning of radar and laser irradiation and automatic ejection of heat traps.

The combat load is also not impressive. In the future, an increase to 6000 kg. Well, not God knows that all the same, pretty less than ours.

An airplane like a fighter is good. There is nothing to argue. It is able to compete both in the markets and in battle with fourth-generation aircraft from the F-15 / 16, Rafal, Typhoon to MiG-29 and Su-30.

But what about the Su-35 and MiG-35, it is doubtful here. Our and avionics are more modern, and there will be better missiles. "Meteor" with its 100 km, of course, is good. But the P-27 (110 km) is definitely not worse. Moreover, the “Meteor” in flight “glows” like a searchlight due to the use of an active seeker with a radar. And Р-27 is passive. Yes, and there is a modification and infrared hsn.



Well, as “Meteor” will be against “Khibiny” - again, something tells me that our EW funds will be pretty much better.

As a ground attack, the Gripen should not be considered at all. This is so ... For the red word it is written. Well, which of his attack aircraft?

One engine, no armor. Laughter, and only. Here, normal twin-engine armored attack aircraft have problems with MANPADS, and where is Gripen?

Only in the sad statistics.

Moreover, in the nomenclature of the aircraft there is absolutely no what, in fact, can be stormed. That is, bombs and missiles.

No, in general they are. But there is a high-explosive air-to-surface missile, there is an anti-ship missile. But there is no anti-tank missiles, no anti-radar.

And to the used (seemingly) AGM-65 "Maverick" is not that there are questions, but ... In general, I do not want to offend the veteran. Still, almost 50 years in the ranks. Yes, for Mavrik, the tank, the iron garage heated by the sun are all one, but somehow it should be considered a modernized fossil as weapons for the fifth generation ...

In general, someone (perhaps, like Mr. Bloom) just wanted to purrtize. And at the same time to show “this Russian” how nobody is afraid of them. The “Swedish response” to Putin’s speech, let's say.

In this aspect - completely.

But how serious an opponent can become in the future "Gripen E" ...



No, not for Su-57. It’s like in that Pushkin’s fairy tale: first with the youngest ones.

The youngest ones are Su-30CM, Su-35С, MiG-35.





And we'll see.

But in general, after such a remarkable resistance, the Swedes can sleep peacefully. “Gripen E” will reliably protect them from Su-57.

Only one nuance: what if these Russians do not want to wait for the Swedes to release this Gripen?

What then?
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  1. Theodore
    Theodore 13 March 2018 06: 27
    +3
    It comes out and crashes - two big differences!
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 13 March 2018 06: 45
      +25
      The article is interesting, but some comparisons and conclusions are funny. Particularly surprised by the comparison of Gripen and the Yak-130 wink
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 13 March 2018 10: 34
        +16
        Very fluently and superficially compared, TTX is small, some of the possibilities are wrong, but in one the author is right - Grippen-E will not be a 5th generation machine with either new Avionics or MBDA. No matter how you paint a bicycle, it won’t become a Mercedes.
      2. pavelty
        pavelty 13 March 2018 12: 06
        +4
        I also drew attention to the comparison of a multi-role fighter and combat trainer)
        1. Abel
          Abel 13 March 2018 17: 53
          0
          And what is the difference between MDI and UBS? Second management?
      3. jaguar
        jaguar 16 March 2018 17: 19
        0
        Yes, here they are bent laughing
      4. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 27 March 2018 07: 26
        +1
        In terms of engine thrust and mass, they are comparable. From the Yak-130 a light fighter could be obtained if desired.
    2. Finches
      Finches 13 March 2018 08: 55
      +15
      Some Swedes, as a result, apparently, with their superliberal-tolerantly quiet life in the European backyard, started off their little ones and, pulling on the dusty boots of Charles XII, carefully studied the area near Poltava, forgetting that it was not 17 in the yard, but 21 for the century! laughing

      As for the plane - well done! And they can’t compare it with the owner’s plane, and they compare it with ours, taking into account the constant pain experienced below the back due to historical memories of the Northern War! laughing
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 13 March 2018 13: 08
        +13
        Quote: Finches
        As for the plane - well done here

        Or maybe everything is simple - it should be promoted to the market. There are many countries that can not get the F-35, here and Grippen E / F is useful. There are a lot of advantages on the plane, the Swedes usually offer the 100% offset deal, they offer rentals: in principle, a lot of goodies.
        My friend had the opportunity to ask the F-16 and Grippeny: the choice is clearly in favor of the Swede, especially for not very wealthy countries.
        And all these ritual dances of the Swedes around Nata, this is a fee for the opportunity to breathe ..
        1. Finches
          Finches 13 March 2018 14: 03
          +7
          Naturally - this is advertising!
        2. Sergey985
          Sergey985 13 March 2018 19: 29
          +5
          This is the beginning of the end of the production of Swedish fighters. The engines are completely dependent on the Americans. Shtatniks essentially cut off competitors in some markets. For export, permission must now be obtained. So not everything is so rosy with the Swedes
    3. volodya
      volodya 13 March 2018 12: 15
      +3
      Quote: Theodore
      It comes out and crashes - two big differences!

      1. AUL
        AUL 13 March 2018 12: 46
        +4
        What is the article about? Well, the Swedes boasted a new car (which, by the way, will still be). Well, nobody has canceled the advertisement yet. Well, they overdid it, as is customary in advertising. And what? Read the Herald of Mordovia - the same approach!
  2. cedar
    cedar 13 March 2018 06: 49
    +4
    "... In general, someone (perhaps as Mr. Bloom) just wanted to calm ..."

    Why bother? And here is cheers and patriotism?
    Straight shell shock, some ...
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 13 March 2018 08: 24
      +21
      Quote: cedar
      And here is cheers and patriotism?

      Hooray and “patriotism” are exactly what Mr. Skomorokhov understands.
      AFAR. .. with our planes, it becomes commonplace.

      About supersonic in afterburner mode can only dream of. And where does it equal with ours who know how to do this?

      . Ours and avionics are more modern,

      . "Meteor" with its 100 km, of course, is good. But the R-27 (110 km) is definitely not worse.

      . against Khibin - again, something tells me that our EW funds will be pretty much better.

      . the aircraft’s nomenclature is completely absent ... bombs and missiles.

      Wow. How much new I have learned.
      1. Spambox
        Spambox 13 March 2018 08: 56
        +8
        I really liked the nonsense about the lack of bombs and rockets, although in the photo from the article under the plane, the maverick agm65 weighs laughing
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 13 March 2018 13: 11
        +6
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Wow. How much new have I learned

        And you are not alone, I’m afraid that in some places the operators of our equipment were also surprised: the process is going on, but not as fast as broadcasting from the “box”
        1. parma
          parma 13 March 2018 14: 26
          +3
          It's a shame for the MiG-35 that this suitcase without a handle does not fly and is not in parts? Then yes, it’s not worth comparing ... A comparison with the YAK-130 .... In general, a waste of KBT of text ...
  3. Kostyar
    Kostyar 13 March 2018 07: 02
    +3
    new Gripen comes out against Su-57
    You will not praise yourself, no one will praise .....
  4. mvg
    mvg 13 March 2018 07: 12
    +10
    the author bends again ..., an article for the magazine "Murzilka" .. Tries to adapt to Damantsev, but lacks neither knowledge nor perseverance. NOTHING ABOUT. Maybe you should do another craft?
    // Young ones - this is the Su-30MS // what kind of plane is this?
    Article deuce ... Too bad no cons.
  5. zyzx
    zyzx 13 March 2018 07: 26
    +3
    Align a light front-line fighter with a heavy monster? Well, theoretically possible. If we will (why I don’t know) bomb Stockholm, then with the support of ground-based vehicles this is a dangerous rival.
    1. novel66
      novel66 13 March 2018 09: 47
      +1
      why bombs him - strategists will come from afar - et voila
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 13 March 2018 14: 26
        +3
        Just in "Ikea" will send pozhnadzor and the sanitary and epidemiological station with the test and the khan of Sweden.
  6. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 13 March 2018 07: 43
    +1
    Sweden has always been a dear friend of both the union and Russia. Although socialist. Influenza, of course, is not a five, as if ... so dry so far, as if not a five. Something is missing.
    1. Serge Gorely
      Serge Gorely 13 March 2018 14: 47
      +5
      Quote: OSTup bender
      Sweden has always been a dear friend of both the union and Russia. Although socialist. Influenza, of course, is not a five, as if ... so dry so far, as if not a five. Something is missing.

      Oppa! Socialist sweden ??? Socialist monarchy !!!? Grandfather Lenin doesn’t even roll over - jumps up!
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 13 March 2018 19: 04
        +4
        Quote: Serge Gorely
        Oppa! Socialist sweden ??? Socialist monarchy !!!?

        It is a monarchy, but back in Brezhnev’s times it was said that it has more socialism than we do in the USSR.
  7. bionik
    bionik 13 March 2018 07: 44
    +2
    The times when the swedish treads of all were afraid, sunk into oblivion ..
    The Swedes ended near Poltava. laughing
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 13 March 2018 08: 12
      +5
      The Swedes ended almost 100 years after Poltava in 1809. after another loss of another war with Russia, as a result of which Suomi lost the status of a European power!
  8. Spambox
    Spambox 13 March 2018 08: 32
    +15
    The author is unsuccessful, It is necessary to teach the mat part
    1 R27 missile, with all desire, does not have a launch range of 100 km even from 10000 meters in the front hemisphere, such a focus passes with a later modification of the ER 27
    2 both modifications of the R27-ER27 rocket
    They have a homing head that requires active illumination by the radar of the carrier, that is, it’s not a rocket that “shines”, but the plane that launched it that DOES NOT meet the realities of modern combat and does not implement the “let and forget” concept
    3 meteor rocket is an analogue of our modern RRV product with ARGSN and implements the concept of "let it forget" in full.
    So clean the hats gentlemen.

    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 13 March 2018 11: 28
      +3
      Quote: Spambox
      Meteor is an analogue of our modern RRV product with ARGSN and implements the concept of "let it forget" in full.

      In terms of functionality, yes, it seems. But technically, the European missile is unique, because uses ramjet, not solid propellant rocket propeller.
      However, the AIM120 Greenspan can also use.
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 13 March 2018 14: 24
      +5
      Quote: Spambox
      The author is unsuccessful, It is necessary to teach the mat part

      The same to you. At the same time, and in the Russian language deuce.

      Quote: Spambox
      They have a homing head that requires active illumination by the radar of the carrier, that is, the rocket doesn’t “glow” but the plane that launched it does NOT meet the realities of modern combat and does not implement the “let and forget” concept.

      Actually the opposite. Just the realities of modern combat, saturated with network-centricity, stealth and electronic warfare, are best served by semi-active and multi-mode heads.

      The target capture range is ~ 10 times higher, radically higher resistance to electronic warfare.
      The problem of evasion maneuver after launch is solved by transferring missile control to the slave through the datlink (still on the Su-27), and now by radars with viewing angles of up to 120 degrees from the axis (Su-30/35).

      The Meteor rocket is a design that is flawed for air combat. We have it all - rockets with ramjets - back in the 60s, were held at the same Krug and Cube air defense systems, etc. As a result, they remained only on air-to-surface missiles.

      And the range of the "Meteor" is traditionally overstated at times.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 13 March 2018 21: 12
        0
        Quote: Conserp
        And the range of the "Meteor" is traditionally overstated at times.

        Nowadays, no one can be trusted. Even, sometimes, to himself. Conserp - it is possible.
  9. Vlad Morozov
    Vlad Morozov 13 March 2018 08: 44
    0
    In general, Swedes, you kind of slipped us a rotten product and convince us that this is a sweetie !? Train, fences! What is your Volvo, Saab - the same aircraft!
    1. novel66
      novel66 13 March 2018 09: 48
      +5
      and Volvo is no longer theirs. the Chinese raked
  10. Spambox
    Spambox 13 March 2018 08: 50
    +9
    Quote: Vlad Morozov
    What is your Volvo, Saab - the same aircraft!

    Volvo now belongs to the Chinese, and before that it was the safest car.
    Read smart books about what planes SAAB does. For Viggen, for example, see the list of weapons, features and when the first aircraft was made. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.
  11. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 13 March 2018 09: 22
    +2
    In general, the whole west went nuts, they simply fooled from a well-fed life, you read such sayings and think a little more, and this whole global Western system will gobble up itself first of all, the Anglo-Saxons will burn, then the Poles, Swedes, Baltic states, here the rest can survive if their brains turn on, which also very problematic.
  12. BAI
    BAI 13 March 2018 09: 24
    +4
    Yes, here it is, as in the title. JAS stands for Jakt - fighter, Attack - attack aircraft, Spaning - scout.

    They made a swan - it flies, and swims, and runs. But it flies worse than a falcon, runs worse than a horse, swims worse than fish.
    If some pedant needs a comparison with birds - instead of a horse - an ostrich, instead of a fish - a penguin.
    1. kytx
      kytx 13 March 2018 20: 20
      0
      Yes, now everyone has the same trend. Station wagon. Nobody does clean air fighters. The last one was probably the Raptor.
      1. Conserp
        Conserp 13 March 2018 22: 15
        0
        You do not quite correctly interpret the trend.

        A good fighter will always make a good drummer. On the contrary, never.

        With the Raptor, a rare irony came up: he was the combatant as a bomber, but not the combatant as a fighter.
  13. ydjin
    ydjin 13 March 2018 09: 26
    0
    //vgif.ru/gifs/143/vgif-ru-18421.gif And we are their choppers! laughing
  14. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 13 March 2018 09: 44
    0
    Quote: cedar
    "... In general, someone (perhaps as Mr. Bloom) just wanted to calm ..."

    Why bother? And here is cheers and patriotism?
    Straight shell shock, some ...


    Just like in that saying, it’s quiet in the forest, only the cedars make noise! Well, what about when the forest is cut and chips fly? Fyut ...
  15. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 13 March 2018 09: 49
    0
    Quote: Chertt
    The article is interesting, but some comparisons and conclusions are funny. Particularly surprised by the comparison of Gripen and the Yak-130 wink


    And what? Far apart from each other? Or flew away?
  16. Altona
    Altona 13 March 2018 09: 51
    +3
    Quote: Chertt
    The article is interesting, but some comparisons and conclusions are funny. Particularly surprised by the comparison of Gripen and the Yak-130

    ------------------------
    Gliders are similar in configuration, and the Yak-130 is not only a training aircraft, but also a combat aircraft, albeit of a light class.
  17. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 13 March 2018 09: 54
    +1
    Quote: Spambox
    I really liked the nonsense about the lack of bombs and rockets, although in the photo from the article under the plane, the maverick agm65 weighs laughing


    Honestly, if it's a maverick, then I'm Pushkin. But since I’m not Pushkin, I see more of an additional suspended fuel tank, or an EW or RTR suspended container (a scout, after all).
    1. Spambox
      Spambox 13 March 2018 10: 30
      0
      Yes, you are Uncle Pushkin, the real one))
      The first photo in the article is where there are a couple of planes, look at what’s in the lead under the belly (the one in front and a little further) and then we’ll talk about poetry
      1. FID
        FID 13 March 2018 13: 04
        0
        Quote: Spambox
        look at the lead under the belly

        I apologize if you call a wing a belly, then you are mistaken, "Tramps" hang under a wing ...
  18. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 13 March 2018 09: 58
    +1
    Quote: Spambox
    Quote: Vlad Morozov
    What is your Volvo, Saab - the same aircraft!

    Volvo now belongs to the Chinese, and before that it was the safest car.
    Read smart books about what planes SAAB does. For Viggen, for example, see the list of weapons, features and when the first aircraft was made. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.


    It feels like you came here to work out?
  19. Ingvar0401
    Ingvar0401 13 March 2018 10: 01
    +6
    Quote: Spambox
    Quote: Vlad Morozov
    What is your Volvo, Saab - the same aircraft!

    Volvo now belongs to the Chinese, and before that it was the safest car.
    Read smart books about what planes SAAB does. For Viggen, for example, see the list of weapons, features and when the first aircraft was made. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.

    Totally agree with you. "Wiggen" for its time was very good and was even considered as a pan-European fighter, the Americans shoved the F-16. Yes, and Gulfstream-4 reconnaissance aircraft
  20. sib.ataman
    sib.ataman 13 March 2018 10: 05
    0
    Quote: OSTup bender
    Sweden has always been a dear friend of both the union and Russia. Although socialist. Influenza, of course, is not a five, as if ... so dry so far, as if not a five. Something is missing.


    If in the USSR and then the Russian Federation they made only one loud public relations announcement, then where would it be? And so, all the screeching and drooling from powerlessness!
  21. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 13 March 2018 10: 17
    +1
    Interestingly, the Chinese have not yet bought this aircraft factory. And then already Volvo is not Volvo, but Geely. Maybe Gripen is already not Gripen, but some kind of Huanyang
  22. Spambox
    Spambox 13 March 2018 10: 36
    +2
    Quote: sib.ataman

    It feels like you came here to work out?

    Dear, if you are not careful, and do not own the mat part, do not blame others. All the best hi
    PS about Pushkin, I answered you above
    1. lance
      lance 13 March 2018 11: 13
      0
      so what boil so? the first thing that an airplane will find in 100km-v-52? Or does he have an EPR below 0,05? or are there even khibiny against er-27? its competitor is correctly indicated in the article.
  23. Curious
    Curious 13 March 2018 10: 43
    +9
    Why make fools of the Swedes?
    There is nothing in common between the original and what is stated here. From the word at all. Those who wish can make sure the link https://inosmi.ru/military/20180301/241597540.htm
    An article by Niklas Vent is called "Swedish Gripen-E against a Russian super-plane."
    After comparing the Russian and Swedish aircraft, the article concludes: “Apparently, the Su-57 is much better than the Gripen-E.”
    Why was it to turn everything upside down?
    1. CHARM
      CHARM 13 March 2018 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: Curious
      After comparing the Russian and Swedish aircraft, the article concludes: “Apparently, the Su-57 is much better than the Gripen-E.”

      A comparison of a heavy IFI with a light fighter speaks only about the quality of the expert data that the Swedes have, what’s there on the VO.
      1. Curious
        Curious 13 March 2018 13: 40
        0
        Just considered the newest Swedish and the newest Russian aircraft, no more.
        1. CHARM
          CHARM 13 March 2018 19: 18
          +5
          Quote: Curious
          Just considered the newest Swedish and the newest Russian aircraft, no more.

          Why not compare the newest Swedish aircraft with the newest Russian tank? The meaning will be the same.
          To make my point clearer to you, why do they not compare the newest aircraft carrier in the USA with the newest frigate of the Russian Federation?
          1. Curious
            Curious 13 March 2018 19: 50
            +1
            It's impossible. VO experts are deprived of such an opportunity, since all the samples presented on the site "have no analogue analogues." With what to compare them? And the Swedes do not know about this, that’s what they are stupid.
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 13 March 2018 14: 50
      0
      Quote: Curious
      There is nothing in common between the original and what is stated here. From the word at all. Those who wish can verify the link https://inosmi.ru/military/20180301/241597540.htm l


      Well? The illiterate iksperd praises himself and slavishly licks the ass of the Americans, repeating vulgar propaganda cliches. I didn’t forget to throw mud at the Su-57 - according to tradition, in the end, so that’s what I remember. Shamelessly lying in all three cases.
      1. Curious
        Curious 13 March 2018 15: 07
        0
        I understand that you are iksperd literate? And do not suffer slavishness. Please provide an objective, technically competent, informative article on the topic.
    3. Victorio
      Victorio 13 March 2018 23: 01
      0
      Quote: Curious
      Why make fools of the Swedes?

      ===
      so they themselves try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diF3i4ewLqQ
      1. Curious
        Curious 13 March 2018 23: 35
        0
        Have you even recognized the source of this video?
  24. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 March 2018 11: 18
    +2
    "They put a radar with AFAR. Excellent, but it's not the 5th generation, as it were. The option is useful and modern,
    but with our planes it becomes commonplace. "////

    Su-57 is the first Russian aircraft to be
    installed AFAR.
    1. CHARM
      CHARM 13 March 2018 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Su-57 is the first Russian aircraft to be
      installed AFAR.

      Go on ... don't think about the MIG-35 ... laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 13 March 2018 12: 33
        0
        ... which WILL be in the troops. smile
        1. CHARM
          CHARM 13 March 2018 12: 35
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          ... which WILL be in the troops. smile

          As well as the SU-57. But since you like to call the Squirrel the first Russian AFAR, so be it. ZHUK-E is not proud, it can stand second. laughing
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 13 March 2018 21: 14
            +1
            Quote: OBEREG
            ZHUK-E is not proud, maybe the second to stand

            Which existing combat Is this system installed on the plane?
  25. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 March 2018 11: 27
    +3
    It is a pity that Sweden and Israel are not friends (because of the Palestinians, who are traditionally
    swept by the Swedish socialists).
    And then we, as they say, Gripen "would grind a file." I mean, added / replaced
    avionics. It would make a cool light fighter. And he was able to conquer the markets.
    1. zollstab
      zollstab 15 March 2018 21: 11
      0
      Are you following the path of Balaganov? Only in mittens, observe TB
    2. jrvp79
      jrvp79 19 March 2018 17: 38
      +1
      Sorry in the ass.
  26. CHARM
    CHARM 13 March 2018 11: 31
    +4
    Hmm ... I read this work and was so puzzled a little ... the author evens a heavy fighter with a light one, seriously comparing them. The SU-30 and SU-35 are not Gripen’s classmates from the word at all, however, like the MIG-35, which is slightly heavier from the basic version of the 29th. What comparisons can there be at all? Well, the Swedes are doing this auto-training, but the author at VO does the same. Isn’t it a shame for such a scribble, absolutely not correct?
  27. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 13 March 2018 12: 09
    +3
    Pretty serious newspaper “Aftonbladet” (“Evening Blade”)

    "Blade"? Did the author imagine him as an ideological rival of VO, the Viking press?soldier
    Actually, "Evening Leaf", or "Evening Newspaper" hi
    1. Curious
      Curious 13 March 2018 13: 46
      0
      Yes, "Evening newspaper." The largest daily newspaper in Scandinavia and one of the largest in Northern Europe. It was created in 1830. The stump is clear that for VO this is not a rival.
  28. Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 13 March 2018 13: 42
    0
    they would have put Wiggen up ...
  29. Conserp
    Conserp 13 March 2018 14: 03
    +3
    The article is “just chatting”, so frivolous that even blunders do not make sense. So I'd better add a purely informative one.

    Gripen-E - not even close "a new plane that will finally show everyone!", how it is advertised. After all, before this modification will be modify combat machines.

    That is, it is something like the Su-27SM or MiG-29SMT. Just a modernization.

    Yes, weak points will be tightened, improved, modernized. What's next? After all, the world does not stand still, other old cars undergo exactly the same modernization.

    If “Gripen” is losing to classmates of generation 4+ like “Raphael” now, then it will lose in the same way to similarly upgraded classmates in 5 and 10 years.

    And by the way, AFAR is not a magical artifact that gives +100 strength and +50 luck. This is not a written sack to rush about from article to article. This is just a type of antenna. One advantage - a high viewing speed (and this gives any headlight). But the power, sensitivity and aperture (i.e. just the size of the radar is the most important parameter) they do not directly depend on apharism. On an outdated elemental base, there won’t be any miracles - GaAs antitank mines cannot even catch VFDs in terms of parameters.
  30. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 13 March 2018 14: 44
    0
    Well, what are you - a respected author so take to heart? Are they going to compare their "brainchild" with the cart, and the Su-57, is it already authoritative? I liked the article, although I’ll imagine what the fuck is with carrots - Gripen.
  31. chingachguc
    chingachguc 13 March 2018 16: 20
    0
    Every sandpiper praises its swamp))) Grippen is a good option for poor countries
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  33. ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 13 March 2018 20: 49
    +2
    Quote: Chertt
    Particularly surprised by the comparison of Gripen and the Yak-130

    We just don't have his classmates in service.
    He is somewhere in the middle between the Yak 130 and the Mig 35.
  34. Bell pepper
    Bell pepper 13 March 2018 21: 35
    0
    I have one polite tip for the Swedes:

    First remove the Arabs and blacks, and the other immigrant bastard who fucks your girls, mothers and grandmothers in the dark streets of Stockholm, and only then build planes, fighter jets, NATO bases ......
  35. Gnefredov
    Gnefredov 13 March 2018 21: 55
    +2
    There are big problems from the glider to its filling. If they get up “cancer,” then they will get to the current software of the tan plane in about seven years. To the planetary aviation complex of the Russian Federation, they are stupidly not pulling. They have other problems, gender inequality and all that.
    1. Gnefredov
      Gnefredov 13 March 2018 22: 01
      0
      What a horror (filter work).
      Just wanted to say that la fa for Europe is ending.
    2. Conserp
      Conserp 13 March 2018 22: 28
      0
      Gender snow removal is worse than hypersonic warheads!
  36. looker-on
    looker-on 13 March 2018 22: 39
    0
    And to the used (seemingly) AGM-65 "Maverick" it’s not that there are any questions, but ... In general, I don’t want to offend the veteran. Still, almost 50 years in service. Yes, for Mavrik that the tank, that the iron garage heated in the sun, are all one, but somehow consider this even a modernized fossil as a weapon for the fifth generation ...


    Yeah .... and the P-27 is possible))) Very convenient, author. I did not like the article despite the fact that Grippen really can not be compared with the Su-57 because different classes
  37. Blondy
    Blondy 14 March 2018 14: 03
    +1
    Well, why attack the Swedes. Normal guys are Swedes, especially beautifully in street cafes on the sidewalks of Stockholm drinking tuborg. And they have good flu, I will not compare: whatever one may say - anyway sofa analytics will succeed. But here are some zhurnalyugi, what we have, what they have, in their "patriotic" sussing about their own and watering other people's achievements with mud look the same.
  38. Gogi bresner
    Gogi bresner 15 March 2018 13: 15
    0
    beautifully the article begins: "There is such a country - Sweden ...." Amen! Soon it will be renamed the Swedish Caliphate! And in the Caliphate, as you know, they don’t fly on planes. Only on airplane carpets. Yes, and they go to the Ukrainian invention - on jihadist carts!
  39. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 16 March 2018 12: 04
    0
    Wanting is not harmful. Let them think of themselves as a superpower.
  40. Atenon
    Atenon 17 March 2018 17: 26
    0
    In vain you offended this shit-publishing aftobladet, calling it authoritative. The Grippen plane is beautiful, but no more, and he has problems in bulk, in Sweden itself it is not particularly favored, although aesthetically it is, in my opinion, one of the most beautiful.