"The new ship in the old case", what is happening?

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The capabilities of the Ministry of Defense and the shipbuilding industry do not yet allow building the necessary ships that meet modern requirements quickly and in large quantities. The way out of this situation is the modernization of existing ships and submarines, providing for the installation of new airborne equipment and weapons. In recent years, a number of combat units have undergone such an update, and the repair program with simultaneous modernization continues. In the very near future, it will produce new results, but for the time being it is possible to become familiar with the successes achieved and plans for the future.

Surface upgrade



Perhaps the most interesting projects currently are the modernization of the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral fleet Soviet Union Kuznetsov "and heavy nuclear missile cruisers of the project 1144" Orlan ". Repair and updating of the only Russian aircraft carrier began just a few months ago and, for obvious reasons, has not yet been completed. Ship with new systems and weapons will be back in operation only at the beginning of the next decade. At the same time, the missile cruiser “Admiral Nakhimov”, which is currently in the dock of the Sevmash enterprise, is expected to surrender to the fleet. Only after the completion of work on this ship will begin the modernization of the other two "Orlans".


The cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" at the plant "Sevmash"


In 2011, the overhaul of the Marshal Ustinov missile cruiser (1164 Atlant project) was launched. The Zvezdochka plant has restored the technical readiness of hull structures, the main power plant, the steering wheel, general ship systems, etc. The existing electronic devices were replaced with modern ones. For several reasons, the deadlines for completing the work have been shifted several times. As a result, in the fall of 2016, Marshal Ustinov was tested, and a few months later returned to the combat squadron of the Northern Fleet.

In 2018, the modernization of another “Atlanta” - the cruiser “Moscow” should begin. According to known data, according to the results of these works, the ship will restore the technical readiness of all major systems, as well as receive modern radio-electronic means. Also reported a partial upgrade of the weapons complex. Instead of the existing C-300F anti-aircraft missile system, the latest C-400 will be installed.

Ambiguous situation with the destroyers of the project 956 "Sarich." In the middle of the last decade, when the repair program was launched, there were eight such ships in the ranks. Currently, only two destroyers are serving - Quick and Admiral Ushakov. Four more were written off, one of them was going to make a museum. Two ships were to be repaired and upgraded.

In 2005, the destroyer Sturny arrived at Dalzavod. Due to technical and technological reasons, the repair of this ship was seriously delayed. So, it was only at the beginning of this decade that the process of repairing the main power plant was started, which had to be dismantled from a ship and sent to one of the adjacent factories. Repair "stormy" has not yet been completed. According to the latest reports from last year, proposals were being considered for the continuation of repairs or for the conservation of the ship.

In 2013, the repair of the destroyer "Insistent" started. According to published data, the restoration of the power plant and some updating of general ship systems was required. Replacement of weapons was not offered. In the foreseeable future, modernization of the 956 project ships remaining in service may begin. It also does not exclude the possibility of repairing the destroyer "Fearless", in reserve from the 1999 year.

The current situation with the modernization of the large anti-submarine ship Admiral Chabanenko, the only representative of the 1155.1 project, can be a cause for concern. In the spring of 2014, the 35-y ship repair yard accepted this ship for medium repairs. Soon it was decided to conduct a major upgrade with the replacement of a significant part of the onboard equipment. According to the following news, all work and tests will be completed only in 2022-23, and only after that the Northern Fleet will continue to operate the ship.

At the end of last year, after a number of years of repair, the large landing ship Orsk of the 1171 project Tapir returned to the Black Sea Fleet. In 2016, repair of the Olenegorsky Miner BDK of the 775 project began in Baltiysk. According to known data, the projects for the repair and modernization of amphibious ships provide for the replacement of electronic equipment, but do not affect the weapons complex.

Scuba update

The principle of repair with the restoration of technical readiness and the replacement of certain systems with modern samples is also used in updating the submarine fleet. In recent years, a number of similar projects have been launched, as a result of which existing submarines should receive new weapons, and with it new combat capabilities.


Submarine "Tula", recently upgraded


At the beginning of 2014, the K-266 “Eagle” submarine of the 949A “Antey” project from the Northern Fleet went to the Zvyozdochka enterprise dock for modernization. The 949AM update project provided for the replacement of a number of systems and the installation of new weapons. Instead of anti-ship missiles P-700 "Granit" is now proposed to use the newer P-800 "Onyx". Among other things, this rearmament led to a threefold increase in ammunition. Despite all the measures taken, the repair of the boat was delayed. Its completion was announced only in October last year.

According to the latest plans of the Ministry of Defense, in the foreseeable future, a total of four submarines will be updated for the 949AM project. Now the ships K-132 "Irkutsk", K-442 "Chelyabinsk" and K-186 "Omsk" are being rebuilt in different factories. It is expected that all the required work will be completed in the first years of the next decade. Several other submarines of the 949A project will have to retain the existing complete set and armament complex based on the Granit missile.

The Navy has two nuclear submarines of the 945 "Barracuda" project. They are also planned to be updated and improved. Since 2013, the ship K-239 "Karp" is under repair. Due to the great age of the equipment, it takes a lot of time and effort to restore it. In addition, the project provides for the replacement of part of the on-board equipment and ensuring compatibility with the Kaliber-PL missile system. As a consequence, the work on the "Carp" should be completed only by the end of the decade. Soon after, the second submarine of the 945 project, the K-276 Kostroma, will arrive at the Zvezdochka plant. Its modernization will continue, at least until the mid-twenties.

Almost all of the 11 available nuclear submarines with cruise missiles of the 971 Shchuka-B project will have to be repaired and upgraded. The 971M project provides for the upgrade of radio-electronic equipment and the installation of the Caliber-PL missile system. The presence of missiles significantly increase the combat potential of the boats.

Currently, immediately seven "Schuk" undergo upgrades. Works are carried out at the Zvezda and Zvezdochka factories. The first representative of the updated project was to be the boat K-328 "Leopard", put to repair in 2011 year. Initially, the delivery of this ship was planned for 2014-15 years, but the work was noticeably delayed. The head submarine of the 971M project, as well as other ships, still remain in the workshops and are not ready for continuation of service. However, the first upgraded submarines are planned to be returned to the customer already in 2018-19.

At the end of December 2017, the Northern Fleet received the upgraded strategic submarine cruiser K-114 “Tula” of the project 667БДРМ. At the moment, this is the last submarine of the type “Dolphin”, which has been repaired In the course of recent work, she, like several ships of the same type, received new equipment. The ship was re-equipped and can now use modern ballistic missiles "Sineva" or "Liner". A few weeks ago, the Zvezdochka company began similar work on the Krynan-117 Bryansk nuclear submarine. Thus, all the submarines of the project 667BDRM, built in the eighties of the last century, were restored and updated.

A few years ago, a large-scale modernization program for diesel-electric submarines of the 877 "Halibus" project began. In accordance with the adopted plans, nearly a dozen and a half of such ships were to receive new equipment, including the Caliber-PL missile system. According to known data, in the 2012-17 years, three submarines have undergone the necessary re-equipment and were returned to the fleet. A few more ships are in shipyards and receive the required equipment. Other "Halibuses" while you have to continue to serve in the existing configuration. According to various data and estimates, the upgrade of the 14 submarines can continue until at least the mid-twenties.

Terms and problems

The idea of ​​deep modernization of ships and submarines with the installation of new equipment and weapons in itself looks very interesting and promising. This technique does not require the construction of large and complex hull structures, power plants, etc. As a result, it is possible to save time and money. However, as practice shows, it is not always possible to obtain the desired savings and the expected benefits.


The submarine "Eagle" during the repair


Considering the recent and current projects of modernization of technology, you can see that almost always ships return to the system with some delay regarding the original plans. However, it cannot be denied that - with all the delays and problems - the equipment, with very few exceptions, still proceeds to service and makes its contribution to the combat capability of the navy.

Such phenomena that have a negative impact on the development of the fleet have their own reasons. In the past, the main prerequisite for delaying the work was the limited financial capacity of the customer. Later, the state found the opportunity to allocate the necessary money to the Navy in time for the construction of new ships or the modernization of existing ones. Thus, one of the main problems was almost completely solved.

However, as it turned out, even increased defense spending does not allow for construction or modernization in the shortest possible time and in the desired volumes. Now, the reasons for the failure to meet the deadlines are the lack of production capacity, their limited capabilities and organizational problems. Also a prerequisite for the difficulty of work on military projects may be the presence of other orders, for which you want to distribute the existing forces.

Undoubtedly, the programs of construction and modernization of ships, auxiliary vessels and submarines are faced with various problems. Often these problems are manifested in the breakdown of deadlines and the later transfer of the ordered equipment. Unfortunately, all this has a certain negative impact on the development of the Navy and its combat capability. In general, the fleet and in the current situation retains the required performance and is able to make the necessary contribution to the country's defense. However, it should be noted that in the absence of characteristic problems, the indicators of the Navy would have been significantly higher.

And yet the process of updating existing ships and submarines continues. Several orders are scheduled for delivery this year, with the result that a number of combat units of the surface and submarine fleets will receive new capabilities that distinguish them favorably from other models. The ships and submarines that have undergone modernization, together with the equipment of the new construction, will nevertheless bring the fleet into the desired form and will ensure the protection of the country's sea borders.

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  1. +3
    1 March 2018 06: 44
    The presence of strategic and tactical nuclear weapons in the fleet, to a certain extent, allows to increase the construction and modernization of ships.
    1. +15
      1 March 2018 08: 30
      Cedar, dear! And is someone a giant of thought not related to you in kinship? Genetic similarity is evident ...
  2. +20
    1 March 2018 07: 15
    yes ... repair of a destroyer, delayed for 13 years - this is a record, gennosses)))
    1. +3
      14 June 2018 16: 22
      yes ... 13-year destroyer repair is a record
      they cannot be compared with the states; they are riveted in bundles, destroyers, aircraft carriers. In the Russian Federation, either capitalism is not that, or leadership is not that.
      money
      Well, since such a thing, there is little money, then the power plants, parts of the ships can not be repaired, money can be saved, and the ships can be towed by oligarch ocean yachts.
      1. +3
        14 June 2018 17: 13
        But interestingly, an eclipse yacht, 162 meters displacement of 13000 tons, will be able to tow a Kuzyu? purely for every fireman, such things need to be known to management.
      2. 0
        23 June 2018 15: 19
        And what budget do you not know about the Pentagon? still not to pack bundles.
        1. +1
          19 July 2018 14: 43
          Quote: vkfriendly
          And what budget do you not know about the Pentagon? still not to pack bundles.

          In 2005, the destroyer “Burny” came to the Dalzavod enterprise. The repair of the “Burny” is still not completed. Do you want to say that if 1 lard were allocated for repair = Stormy = instead of 2 lard, then it would have long plowed the vast expanses of the ocean?
          I doubt however.
          1. 0
            20 July 2018 01: 16
            The destroyer "Burnish" was in a sludge (removed from repair at the Dalzavod 05.08.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX)
            1. -1
              20 July 2018 01: 39
              The ship forgotten by God was remembered only in February 2013, when the St. Petersburg Kirov-Energomash (a subsidiary of the Kirov plant) began repairing GTZA parts dismantled from the Burney. The units were to be repaired and delivered to Dalzavod by the end of the year (ref. 16). October 24.10.2013, XNUMX the management of the DAC announced the completion of the repair of the ship’s electromechanical installation and the expected receipt from the customer (again, before the end of the year) of the technical task for the repair and modernization of the destroyer's armament.

              In 2014, it was not until the "Burning". The progress of work on it can be judged by the appearance of the ship, which is for the year (from September 20.09.2013, 17.10.2014 to October 2013, 674). completely unchanged. (see photo at the end of the record) .. As for the repair of power plants ,. it’s better to listen to an eyewitness (with copyright): “Until December 956 he worked at Kirov-Energomash, which in Soviet times made 20 machines for Sarycha (pr. XNUMX). The management of the Kirov plant eliminated blade production (without it, consider , there is no turbine) and assembly and welding workshop. Energomash is very bad: there are only three CNC machines in the workshops, and the rest are terrible rubbish. I saw the turbine from the Burny. They disassembled it, but they will never assemble it, it's a fact. People "there’s no one left at the plant who remember how this is done. Over the past XNUMX years, the Kirov plant has not manufactured a single turbine"
              took here https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/90561.html

              And yes, I want to say if we would have the same resources as those of ships, ships such as "stormy", and maybe it would be better with a couple of dozen. Turbines and everything else would be built and there would be no problems with repairs. Money is everything. Or not according to you?
              1. +1
                20 July 2018 08: 01
                Quote: vkfriendly
                In 2014, it was not until the "Burning".

                What happened in 2014 that wasn’t before the "Burning"?
                Quote: vkfriendly
                And yes, I want to say if we would have the same resources as those of ships, ships such as "stormy", and maybe it would be better with a couple of dozen. Turbines and everything else would be built and there would be no problems with repairs. Money is everything. Or not according to you?

                In my opinion, no. In my opinion, power decides everything, not money.
                1. 0
                  23 July 2018 10: 32
                  Well, now it’s clear ... again the power is to blame, do not want to look in the mirror? Or does it all depend on the authorities, should Putin personally give everyone a kick? Or do you think the power will be replaced by an ovine cattle, like Lesha Navalny and prosperity will come? And I think the time will come of the forgotten nineties, approximately what is happening in the independent.
                  1. +3
                    23 July 2018 18: 46
                    Quote: vkfriendly
                    Well now it’s clear ... again the power is to blame,
                    Ie power to do with it? Then why is she needed if she is not responsible for anything?
                    I don’t want to look in the mirror ?.

                    No matter how much I look in the mirror in Russia, nothing will change. Is something dependent on me?
                    Quote: vkfriendly
                    Or does it all depend on the authorities, should Putin personally give everyone a kick?

                    Well, of course. Otherwise, why did you vote for him? So that he only goes fishing and does not answer for anything? Why the hell are we then? For everything that happens in your family, you are responsible personally, and not your neighbor, Uncle Vasya.
                    Quote: vkfriendly
                    Or do you think the power will be replaced by an ovine cattle, like Lesha Navalny and prosperity will come?

                    It is a pity that your horizons do not extend beyond Navalny.
                    I’m not really talking about a change of power. I am talking about the responsibility of the authorities for their deeds. If Humpback was publicly executed for what he had done, then this was a warning to the authorities. Why I, for a marriage at work, was financially liable, why the driver for an accident was punished and can even be imprisoned if an accident with human casualties. Why is power never responsible for anything?
                    1. 0
                      27 November 2018 18: 50
                      I subscribe to your every word! +++ Million!
            2. +1
              20 July 2018 07: 52
              Quote: vkfriendly
              The destroyer "Burnish" was in a sludge (removed from repair at the Dalzavod 05.08.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX)

              1. Who to believe? You, or the author of the article?
              2. "Decommissioned" is how?
  3. exo
    +20
    1 March 2018 08: 07
    The article is overly optimistic. Unfortunately, much of what has been written is not confirmed by anything. And so far no one is talking about the restoration of another Orlan. The same thing about Pl. 971 It is unlikely that they will all be modernized
    1. +7
      1 March 2018 08: 40
      Yes, I don’t hear about Lazarev’s modernization ...
  4. +8
    1 March 2018 08: 22
    I don’t know, I don’t know. 3-5 years for repair and modernization ...... During this time, new ships are being built. Maybe the truth is much cheaper, or maybe not, taking into account renewals, increasing estimates and money already spent. It is necessary to thoroughly analyze and accurately decide whether it makes sense to continue such a practice, or it is fundamentally flawed.
    There is nothing worse than finishing alterations.
    1. +18
      1 March 2018 08: 39
      who will analyze? our whole analysis comes down to one answer - how much money can be left to the left from the budget.
      1. +4
        1 March 2018 09: 00
        Yes, I myself know that. Alas.
      2. +6
        1 March 2018 09: 04
        Quote: faiver
        our whole analysis comes down to one answer - how much money can be left to the left from the budget.

        what So do you think that unfinished is a product cut?
        1. +8
          1 March 2018 09: 11
          and this including ...
          1. +3
            1 March 2018 09: 20
            Quote: faiver
            and this including ...

            What else? I just want to know your version of long-term construction!
            1. +23
              1 March 2018 09: 26
              loss of production capacity, disruption of economic relations, the departure of specialists from professions due to low wages, a drop in the level of education, a drop in the quality of manufactured units, weapons and, of course, theft at all levels ...
              1. +10
                1 March 2018 11: 28
                Quote: faiver
                theft at all levels.

                Theft at all levels and under the Union was, but that. what you listed above + the loss of many industries both within the Russian Federation and in the former republics, this is the main reason for the long-term construction! Take the ill-fated 956 avenue, the problem with these destroyers was not the boilers, but the boiler tubes and the poor qualifications of the boiler engineers of the draft of the end of 80 and the draft of 90. The plant in the Urals stopped the production of pipes in 89 due to unprofitability of production, in the same year in Kronstadt (I may be wrong +/- a year), the school of boiler engineers was disbanded. And the KVG-3 cola itself was excellent, EM "Excellent" before the failed average repair went through 8 years 150535 miles - is this not an indicator?
                1. +12
                  1 March 2018 12: 09
                  Quote: Serg65
                  And the KVG-3 cola itself was excellent, the EM “Excellent”, before the failed average repair, passed 8 miles in 150535 years - is this not an indicator?

                  The version of the failure of the boilers on pr. 956 due to precisely improper operation and untimely maintenance / repair of boilers in the fleet is indirectly confirmed by the fact that the Chinese pr. 956E serve without complaints.
                  1. +6
                    1 March 2018 12: 23
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Chinese pr. 956E serve flawlessly.

                    The weakest link in KTUs is hot water pipes, stake life is 100 thousand hours, and 8 thousand hours. For example, the "Flying" "died" due to the fact that his spare parts were given to the Tavkr bearing the name "Baku".
                    hi Приветствуем!
                    1. +7
                      1 March 2018 18: 07
                      Quote: Serg65
                      Theft at all levels and under the Union was

                      Sergei hi kickbacks in the USSR ???
                      Quote: Serg65
                      The weakest link in KTU is hot water pipes, the stake life is 100 thousand hours, and the pipes are 8 thousand hours.

                      resource tubes, as you indicated 8000 hours or 333 working days. In the photo, Ningbo overtakes us at the entrance to .... Ningbo. November 2015. Nearly 10 years have passed since the transfer ... Either it’s not only the handsets that are in the pipeline, or the Chinese comrades are better at handling our OUR technology.

                      1. +6
                        1 March 2018 18: 25
                        Sorry, I don’t know your name. but welcome anyway hi !
                        Quote: Seaman77
                        kickbacks in the USSR ???

                        smile Have you ever heard a colleague about workshop guilds ???
                        Quote: Seaman77
                        Either it’s not only the handsets that matter, or the Chinese comrades are better at managing our OUR technology better than us.

                        my friend, firstly, the Chinese launched the production of spare parts, secondly, service in the Chinese army and navy is considered very prestigious from here and the high professionalism of the personnel is the whole secret of China! Until the 89 year, the Navy of the USSR had both a renewable spare parts and well-trained personnel!
                      2. +2
                        1 March 2018 21: 42
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Sorry, I don’t know your name. but welcome anyway

                        Roman, Hero City Novorossiysk hi
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Have you ever heard a colleague about workshop guilds ???

                        Yes, there were people nowadays. However, the current "youth" is not shy.
                        In January-February, Russian billionaires grew rich by $ 11 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaire Index.
                        https://news.mail.ru/economics/32718429/?frommail
                        =1
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Until the 89th year, the Navy of the USSR had both a renewable spare parts and well-trained personnel!

                        Ningbo passed to the Chinese in 2006
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Firstly, the Chinese launched the production of spare parts

                        that is yes. They fixed it, but we messed it up ... And now at least buy from the Chinese spare parts for Sarychi! Although, this is an idea. Maybe in the MO write. request
                        Quote: Serg65
                        service in the Chinese army and navy is considered very prestigious
                        I do not quite agree with you hi . Prestigious, but not very. They are traders. Having your own business is prestigious, but service is a well-paid “temporary option”.
                      3. +5
                        24 March 2018 06: 21
                        While Putin was sitting in the Kremlin and listening to Kudrin’s advice about the imperfection of the socialist model, China became the leader in global metallurgy.
                        The Zlatoust plant where these pipes were made died quietly without orders, although Putin was personally concerned with his fate.
                      4. +1
                        16 May 2018 17: 25
                        Either the Chinese have better tubes, but this is unlikely.
              2. 0
                1 March 2018 17: 18
                I agree with you ...
              3. 0
                27 November 2018 18: 54
                Exactly! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye !!! ++++ Million !!!
            2. +3
              2 March 2018 11: 35
              The version of the long-term construction? Easy. They put the ship on the dock, set up a dismantling commission and it started ... everything that needs to be replaced is entered into the tables (a lot of time should be taken into account for each part and screw). You say why? And what is the estimate based on what? Each the detail needs to be assessed. Local cost estimates are compiled (the institute is based on the dismantling specification) and a lot of time is also spent here. Next, they are summed up in one cost estimate and given to the customer (and this is only for dismantling) And after approval they are put into operation (and there’s a tender and etc. and more time). Next, the MO (the customer) gives the Institute of TK (terms of reference) what needs to be installed and modernized. The Institute designs, and the MO at this time is looking for finished equipment or who will manufacture it for a specific ship (often) , still a lot of time. A year, or even two, go for all this (and everyone in the ship can already dismantle it). Then you don’t have to figure it out yourself (until you conclude contracts with all the contracting parties, they will win the tender, etc.). In total, 3-4 years will fly away for assembly, and then the running ones, etc., are 1-2 years. This is not a boat with two oars. Sometimes it’s faster to build a new one, but ... more expensive. By the way, in the USA it takes 6 to 12 years to build a ship. But everyone loves blaming Russia for a long-term construction.
            3. 0
              25 May 2018 13: 29
              In Soviet times, the cruiser D.Pozharsky, 68 bis project, was called “unfinished” at Dalzavod, in order to make current and (or) emergency repairs of other, more modern NKs at the expense of it !? This practice, unfortunately, has not been eliminated so far?
    2. +16
      1 March 2018 10: 09
      With the Minister of Industry, (a sociologist by education), who, a lathe from a milling machine does not distinguish everything can be. Guys, it seems to me alone that the mantyur’s deni looks like a Kesha parrot so you expect him to give out "" ... then the cow is farrowing, then the beets will go round "
      1. +1
        1 March 2018 17: 21
        Maybe he is a great organizer)))
    3. 0
      27 May 2018 19: 00
      Quote: savage1976
      I don’t know, I don’t know. 3-5 years for repair and modernization ...... During this time, new ships are being built. Maybe the truth is much cheaper, or maybe not, taking into account renewals, increasing estimates and money already spent. It is necessary to thoroughly analyze and accurately decide whether it makes sense to continue such a practice, or it is fundamentally flawed.
      There is nothing worse than finishing alterations.

      Yes, who would argue. Of course, it is easier to do something new than to repair the old, bringing this old to the level of the new. But if you take into account the costs, then the costs of disposing of the old should be included in the costs of building a new one. And when repairing an old one, there is no cost of disposal. This is from my "cellar" as seen. But as a matter of fact ..., the specialist, from his bell tower, is more visible.
  5. +5
    1 March 2018 09: 26
    And all this is due to the fact that we are building Indians, Shmadus, anyone, just not ourselves, they lack the capacity, because they don’t have enough, because everyone rests on commerce, and they carry out their service on the castoffs and whether they wait 15 years for the ship to be repaired am
    1. +1
      3 March 2018 13: 30
      Well, then they pay in currency. And our bureaucrats are painfully greedy for currency.
  6. mvg
    +6
    1 March 2018 09: 55
    Was it about Shaherizadu right now, or was that a fairy tale? I read in the morning and did not understand .... I probably just did not sleep yet ((
  7. +11
    1 March 2018 09: 56
    In 2005, the destroyer Sturny arrived at Dalzavod. Due to technical and technological reasons, the repair of this ship was seriously delayed. So, it was only at the beginning of this decade that the process of repairing the main power plant was started, which had to be dismantled from a ship and sent to one of the adjacent factories. Repair "stormy" has not yet been completed. According to the latest reports from last year, proposals were being considered for the continuation of repairs or for the conservation of the ship.

    And if you ask them for the deadlines, they will be offended and the bill for the procurement of materials will cease to be, which began in 2005.
    To ponder - the latest reports on the ship - last year. This year 2 months passed, but no one had gone on a steamer yet. From the authorities. Workers, of course, were not there.
    Here is the USC in all its glory. Ask where they shared the money transferred for the repair? Submit a full report. And no one asks for the result, they ask for the report. With this, managers are all right.
    No, and the Union had something similar: the average repair of the BOD pr.1134A - 3 years. Kapitalka before write-off (certainly - to master socialist means!) - 5 years. But deserted and abandoned steamboats stood in the factories for weeks. Now for years.
    I’ll tell you more: those boilers that were removed from Burney and sent to the subcontractors - they probably aren’t there at all: there are several tens of tons of copper pipes! torn off, stolen, sold and drank. And what of poverty also to do something? There are still places in the Yaroslavl region where summer residents for the winter remove and hide the aluminum cable from thieves and drunks. And copper ...
  8. +2
    1 March 2018 10: 17
    Repair and renovation of the only Russian aircraft carrier began just a few months ago and, for obvious reasons, has not yet been completed

    no need to read further

    the author’s level is understandable
  9. +5
    1 March 2018 10: 55
    In general, do not build to break. Russia geopolitically belongs to the category of continental (or whatever it is right) empires. And in the area of ​​the fleet, we have only been catching up since the time of Peter the Great. In the 90s and 2000s, even the modest that was defeated. And what they write now can only be called attempts. The entire article "despite the measures taken" and "for a number of reasons." It looks like the submarine fleet can count on 667BDRM strategists and Varshavyanka for the Black, Baltic and Middle-earth countries. With the surface, it’s really bad, frankly - NO. In the case of a big mess, you should immediately “turn the table” and beat with a nuclear one. For the other, we have nothing.
  10. 0
    1 March 2018 11: 06
    Ships and submarines that have undergone modernization, together with the equipment of the new construction, will nevertheless bring the fleet to its desired form and ensure the protection of the country's sea borders.

    without assigning our plans to the outside world and the fleets of "partners" and their prospects, building a lot is an empty effort.
    Science, as I understand it, is behind us with the introduction of new technologies and we constantly need to catch up. Moscow Region is doing everything right, and vocational schools are now to blame
    1. +1
      1 March 2018 15: 31
      Well, if you relate your plans to the US Navy, then a couple of hundred years of work without days off of your shipbuilding can be guaranteed.
      1. +3
        1 March 2018 18: 20
        Quote: Seeker
        Well, if you relate your plans to the US Navy, then a couple of hundred years of work without days off of your shipbuilding can be guaranteed.

        Who would have spoken with his Getman Saigachny. We somehow update the fleets poorly and, apparently, we’ll soon begin to build surface ships of the first rank, but in Ukraine, as there was a full ass with the army and navy, it will be the same, as power is a drunk with a crowd of geeks, Nazis and American advisers. It was they who advised you to live the way you live now and there will be more further.
  11. +5
    1 March 2018 11: 35
    "Reforms" in Russia in this form were made on purpose. It was necessary to destroy industry as a unit of organization of society and power. All those who are in power today and those who are hidden from the eyes of the layman must be imprisoned or hanged for high treason. Even the ruling class of tsarist Russia would never have thought of such a thing.
    1. +1
      2 March 2018 11: 43
      ... and those who are hidden from the eyes of the average man)))
      Write as is, the Communist Party.
  12. 0
    1 March 2018 13: 24
    the modernization of the other two Orlanes.

    Lazarev also upgrade ???
  13. +5
    1 March 2018 17: 58
    Only after completion of work on this ship will the modernization of the other two Orlanes begin.

    According to Lazarev, the decision has not been made and, most likely, they will write it off. Where did the author get the information about the modernization of Lazarev?
    The Navy has at its disposal two nuclear submarines of Project 945 Barracuda. They are also planned to be updated and improved.

    There was a statement from our Moscow Region that they won’t upgrade Barakuda, because it’s expensive.
    Almost all of the 11 available nuclear submarines with cruise missiles of Project 971 Schuka-B will have to undergo repairs and modernization.

    The author will not tell you what kind of CDs Shchuk-B has in service, if the last Grenades were removed from them, those that are with nuclear warheads. And the fact that they are going to embed vertical PUs into them, under Caliber, so this conversation has been going on for more than a year.
  14. +1
    1 March 2018 18: 10
    It painfully sad modernization for such a number of years ... Of course, the "Eagles" is difficult to compare with someone, but for example in China now 12 or 14 destroyers + a pair of frigates are being built right away. A disappointing ratio. Yes, and amers destroyers are stamped much faster.
    It is clear that there are many reasons, and not just theft ... probably not only ....
    1. 0
      2 March 2018 09: 48
      Well I do not know. Even 12 years ago, they ordered a destroyer from us. Three generation submarines, they and India are only now trying to build. China is not a superpower, nor is India, and will not be for a long time. Let's not exaggerate.
      1. +2
        2 March 2018 19: 03
        It’s unlikely that I’m wrong ... I looked at Wiki. and read articles about the development of the Chinese Navy.
        But superpowers do not exist, there are strong and weak states. And the more the state is balanced in different fields of activity, the stronger it is.
    2. 0
      4 July 2018 23: 25
      The budget of the US Defense Department is $ 600-700 billion, while Russia has 60-65. Are you daring?
  15. +4
    1 March 2018 21: 36
    "Instead of the existing S-300F anti-aircraft missile system, the latest S-400 will be installed."
    Wow!
    The author independently developed the marine version of the S-400?
    Do the Almaz and Altair NGOs know?
  16. 0
    2 March 2018 06: 56
    Serg65,
    All this has not been tested in combat, an acre of World War II.
  17. 0
    3 March 2018 01: 39
    Repairs.
    All of these projects were built under the USSR with the broadest cooperation of enterprises in all republics of the Soviet Union. Now much has been lost in the 90s - 2000s, many production needs to be created in general from scratch.
    So, it is not surprising that the ships are being repaired for so long.
    Modernization.
    And with the modernization is still more difficult. This, after all, is not a new launcher on the chassis to fasten. To stick a new set of armaments into an existing ship kit - it is necessary either to invent new armaments specially for the given dimensions, or to rebuild the ship’s floor. And this is a new design, calculations, etc.
    As far as I remember, this is precisely why the Petropavlovsk TK purchased in the 30s from Germany was not completed. To put the domestic towers of the Civil Code, in the places of their installation it was necessary to change the set to the keel
    Kohl already puzzled by modernization - it would be nice to think about the future. Create the possibility of modular weapons replacement.
  18. +1
    13 March 2018 20: 36
    Oh, and our SS Elbrus - the Epron brigade, was cut in Ukraine .... Wildly sorry !!!
  19. 0
    18 March 2018 22: 09
    Everything is smooth only on paper, but the pace is still set, although not very impressive. It turns out that you need to build a new ship for 5 years (not as it did with “Ivan Gren”) and repair it thoroughly - also for five years, somehow it’s not logical, and sometimes it’s even funny when they “roam” for a year and a half they build.
  20. 0
    29 May 2018 15: 34
    Judging by the overload of shipyards, the problems are mainly organizational in nature.
  21. 0
    12 June 2018 09: 57
    But what, will the Basalts / Volcanoes remain at Moscow and its Varyag brothers? There 40% of the deck area is occupied by an anti-convulsive strike system .. These are self-propelled guns!
  22. 0
    13 June 2018 22: 17
    Well, what did you want to break, do not build ... "Thank you" to the "saints" of the 90th .. request
  23. 0
    22 July 2018 21: 49
    In the Soviet era, the Navy talked about such modernizations as "Darn the condom with strings," but I don’t know how now.
  24. 0
    29 March 2020 08: 35
    The more battle-worthy ships our fleet receives, the worse it will be for those who want to test the strength of our borders.