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How to create "Topol"

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35 years ago, the Soviet defense industry conducted the first successful tests of a promising intercontinental ballistic missile from the Topol complex. Subsequently, the necessary refinement of the complex was completed, after which the strategic missile forces received a new weapon. Later, the RT-2PM complex became the basis for new systems, with the latest developments of this line will protect the country for the next several decades. Will consider history complex "Topol" and the main events that laid the foundation for the development of intercontinental rockets for the next few decades.


The study of the future of the missile complex with an intercontinental ballistic missile, later called the Topol, began in the mid-seventies. The work was carried out at the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering (MIT) under the guidance of A.D. Nadiradze The designers studied the possibility of creating a new complex based on a three-stage solid-fuel MBR. It was planned to be used with mobile launchers based on one of the promising chassis. In the new project it was planned to use certain developments in the existing complexes of similar appearance.

How to create "Topol"
Start rocket RT-2PM. Photo Rbase.new-facrtoria.ru


After some preliminary work, 19 July 1977, a decree of the USSR Council of Ministers was issued, according to which MIT was to develop a full-fledged rocket design and launchers for it. Taking into account the results of the preliminary study, it was necessary to ensure that the rocket could only be launched from a wheeled self-propelled machine. Mine basing was not planned. The rocket itself was supposed to carry a monoblock warhead with a special charge and deliver it to a range of more than 10 thousand km.

Special attention was paid to the creation of a mobile launcher. It is this component of the complex that distinguishes it from other systems in use that should ensure sufficient combat survivability in the event of the start of a full-scale conflict. It should be noted that such requirements were directly related to foreign achievements in the field of rocket weapons.

In the mid-seventies, the likely enemy put on duty new intercontinental missiles, which were distinguished by increased accuracy. Such a weapon could have shown outstanding results in the first disarming strike. It was able to disable a significant part of the existing stationary launchers of the Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces. The transfer of missiles to mobile launchers, in turn, made it extremely difficult to strike at them, and therefore made it possible to maintain a sufficient grouping of missiles for an attack response.


Launcher complex "Topol". Photo from the treaty START-I / State.gov


In accordance with the decision of the Council of Ministers, the new project received the code "Topol". Also, the project, the complex and the rocket received a number of other designations and names. So, the rocket was designated as RT-2PM. Despite the similarity of the designations with the existing RT-2P, the new product did not have a direct relationship to the serial rocket. The complex as a whole was assigned the index GRAU 15P158, to the rocket - 15Ж58. Later, in the framework of the START I Treaty, the designation PC-12М was introduced. NATO countries call the Russian "Topol" SS-25 Sickle.

In addition to the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering, a number of other organizations were involved in the development of a promising mobile soil rocket complex (PGRK). Production of pilot and serial ICBMs was planned to be launched at the Votkinsk plant. The development of control and aiming systems was entrusted to the Leningrad Optical-Mechanical Association and the Kiev plant Arsenal. Self-propelled vehicles, including the launcher, were developed jointly by the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant and the Barrikady Production Association (Volgograd).

For several years, a group of Soviet enterprises conducted the necessary research, and also developed the required technical documentation. All the main provisions of the project "Topol" were formed and developed by the early eighties. After that, the production of the experimental RT-2PM missiles necessary for testing was launched. It was planned to conduct checks on several existing missile test sites.


Machine 15УХNUMX as a museum exhibit. Photo by Vitalykuzmin.net


In the autumn of 1982, specialists from MIT and other organizations arrived at the Kapustin Yar test site to organize the first test launch of a promising missile. According to some reports, in these tests it was planned to use a converted mine installation for the RT-2P rocket. October 27 first experimental product received a command to start, but the start ended with an accident. Work on the refinement of the project and test preparation continued.

The checks continued in the winter of the next 1983 year at the Plesetsk test site. On February 8, the crew of the 6 Scientific Test Board carried out the launch of a Topol rocket. This start was held in accordance with the established program and was recognized as successful. Soon, joint flight tests were continued. Until the end of the summer carried out three more launches of an experienced ICBM. Two of them were executed using the already used launcher, and in the third they used an experienced mobile launcher for the first time.

10 August 1983, the fourth test launch of the RT-2PM rocket took place, during which the self-propelled machine 15Х168 was used for the first time. According to some reports, during this test, the launcher completed its tasks, but the failure of one of the rocket systems did not allow the launch to be recognized as successful. Taking into account the available data, the authors of the project made the necessary changes and continued testing.

The flight tests of the Topol and the PGRK rocket continued to the end of 1984. During this time, 12 launches were completed, and no more than four of them were successful. In other cases, ground and airborne equipment worked correctly, ensuring the implementation of the set task. The test start took place on November 24 and completed the checks. All test launches were carried out only at the Plesetsk test site. When flying at a range close to the maximum, the training unit was delivered to the Kamchatka test site Kura.


Machines complex "Topol" on the march. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru


In the 1984 year, a few months before the completion of the flight tests of a promising complex, the construction of facilities for the deployment of new technology started. In future permanent locations and on proposed patrol routes, stationary-based structures and temporary shelters began to be built. Objects of this kind were built on the territory of existing parts that were planned to be re-equipped. In the mid-eighties, the regular program of replacing obsolete missile systems with modern ones was implemented, and the Topol system was to become its key component.

At the end of December 1984 of the year, shortly after the completion of the tests, the Council of Ministers issued a decree on the launch of mass production of a new missile system in a mobile version. Soon after, the Votkinsk plant and other enterprises engaged in the project began mass production of the required products. In Votkinsk, new missiles were being assembled, and the Volgograd enterprise built self-propelled launchers.

In the middle of July, the 1985 of the rocket regiment of the Strategic Missile Forces, stationed in the city of Yoshkar-Ola, put the first division of mobile soil complexes of a new type on experimental combat duty. A few months later, the same "novelties" received another regiment of rocket troops. It was assumed that the operation of the new technology will allow in the shortest possible time to obtain the necessary experience. From the moment of the official adoption of Topol, it was possible to begin full-fledged combat duty.


Launcher on rough terrain. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru


At the end of April, the first rocket regiment, fully equipped with 1987P15 complexes, took up duty on duty in the Sverdlovsk region in April. This technique was controlled by a mobile command center of the “Barrier” type. About a year later, together with the new “Topol”, troops began to supply Granit command posts, which had different characteristics and capabilities. The first such car was transferred to the Irkutsk compound of the Strategic Missile Forces in May 158.

In parallel with the supply of new serial equipment, not yet adopted for service, the personnel of the Strategic Missile Forces carried out the first training and combat launches. The first launch of the Topol rocket of this kind took place on February 21 of the year 1985. By the end of 1988, the troops had completed at least another 23 launch. All of them were held at the Plesetsk training ground and ended in a successful defeat of the training goals.

Part of the new launches was carried out in the framework of joint tests. The last test launch took place on December 23 1987. For all the time, 16 test launches were carried out, and the proportion of such launches declined over time, yielding primacy to the combat training use of missiles. From the beginning of 1988 of the year, for obvious reasons, all launches were carried out only for the purpose of training the personnel of the Strategic Missile Forces and checking available material parts.

After the completion of all the tests, as well as the delivery of a significant number of serial combat vehicles and other equipment, an order appeared to officially adopt the new system. PGRK Topol with the 15Ж58 / РТ-2ПМ missile adopted the 1 of December 1988 of the year. By this time, the rocket forces had time to get new weapons, as well as master it and perform a significant number of training launches. However, a significant number of combat units still did not pass the required re-equipment, and the supply of serial equipment continued.


The complex is in position in a wooded area. Photo of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation / mil.ru


Soon after the adoption of Topol, the Moscow Institute of Heating Engineering continued to develop the existing project, including with the aim of obtaining uncharacteristic results. So, in 1989, the project "Start" was proposed. It provided for the re-equipment of an intercontinental ballistic missile with its transformation into a carrier rocket. Starting from a standard launcher, such a carrier is capable of lifting a kg of payload to a low near-earth orbit.

At the end of 1990, rocket complexes with the Siren product from the Perimeter RC complex were put on duty. On board such a rocket, built on the basis of the RT-2PM, there is a set of special communication equipment. In case of failure of the standard means of communication of the missile troops, such missiles must ensure the transmission of control signals to combat systems of all available types.

According to known data, mass production of Topol missile systems continued until the 1993 year. Almost every year, the Strategic Missile Forces received several dozen new self-propelled launchers and missiles. The peak production of machines 15У168 fell on 1989-90 years, when the troops received almost a hundred and fifty units of equipment. In other years, the number of serial samples placed on duty did not exceed 20-30 units. A total of 1984-1993 mobile soil complexes were built from 350 to 360 years. The number of built rockets is unknown, but probably exceeds several hundred.


Start rocket RT-2PM, view of the launcher. Photo of the Strategic Missile Forces / pressa-rvsn.livejournal.com


The emergence of treaties on the reduction of offensive weapons led to the emergence of plans to partially abandon the existing 15P168 / PC-12M complexes. Nevertheless, the reduction of armaments was carried out mainly at the expense of obsolete models. The command tried to keep the maximum number of new Topol PGRK on duty.

In the late nineties, mass production of the upgraded Topol-M missile systems began, but this did not lead to the rapid abandonment of the existing Topol. The gradual write-off of these systems started only in a few years. So, at the end of the last decade, several dozen launchers with consumed resources had to be disposed of. In connection with the regular conduct of combat training launches and the gradual utilization of the number of deployed missiles by the time reduced and slightly exceeded 200-210 units.

According to the latest data, only 70 Topol complexes with RT-2PM missiles are currently on duty as part of the Strategic Missile Forces. In time, the new Topol-M systems of mine and mobile bases surpassed the predecessor in their numbers. The most modern PC-24 complexes "Yars", as far as we know, have so far managed to circumvent the number of Topoli and Topoli-M in terms of quantity. It should be noted that both Topol-M and Yars to some extent represent options for the further development of the Topol complex. The Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering, developing these systems, implemented a number of new ideas, and with their help provided an improvement in the technical characteristics and combat qualities of rockets.

The existing mobile ground 15P168 “Topol” missile systems have already managed to develop a significant part of the resource, and the missiles have expired storage periods. In addition, they no longer fully meet the requirements of the foreseeable future. To date, the command of the missile troops has determined the fate of the existing systems. Back in 2013, a missile disposal line was launched, and over the past years, several dozen missiles were sent to this facility.


Cooling of the transport starting container after launch. Photo of the Strategic Missile Forces / pressa-rvsn.livejournal.com


At the beginning of the next decade, the aging Topoli will be decommissioned. After that, all or almost all of the available missiles and launchers will be taken for disassembly and disposal. Perhaps some products will be preserved and, after known improvements, will be included in the exposition of various museums.

After the final write-off of all Topol PGRK, the grouping of mobile missile systems will consist of several dozen Topol-M and Yars combat vehicles. In the future, it is possible to create new systems of this kind, in which one or another successful ideas proposed and implemented in the early eighties will continue to be used.

A few days ago was the 35-th anniversary of the first successful launch of the RT-2PM rocket. In the summer 35 will be celebrated since the day of the first launch of such a rocket from a mobile launcher. On the first day of winter, the Strategic Missile Forces will celebrate the thirty-year anniversary of the adoption of the Topol complex. In the future, these complexes, distinguished by a solid age and approaching the end of the service, will finally give way to newer systems and will be removed from service. However, over the next few years, they will remain in the ranks and help form a full-fledged nuclear-missile shield.


On the materials of the sites:
http://ria.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://nvo.ng.ru/
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/
http://kapyar.ru/
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  1. Moore
    Moore 21 February 2018 15: 32
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    At the end of April 1987, in the Sverdlovsk Region, the first missile regiment fully equipped with 15P158 complexes took over. The management of this equipment was carried out by a mobile command post such as "Barrier"

    We specify: PKP "Barrier" was delivered to the complex 15P158.1 with SPU 15U128 (it is in the second picture from the top):

    This same "Barrier" - it is from the "Pioneer" yet. Could not modify the CBU and ACS radio channels to APU by the mid-80s, and they used the cables.
    1. AntiFREEZ
      AntiFREEZ 21 February 2018 15: 54
      +1
      And that it is lowered in front of the car, it looks like an outrigger. Who can enlighten?
      1. Michael_Zverev
        Michael_Zverev 21 February 2018 18: 19
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        This is an automatic gyrocompass:
        An automatic gyrocompass is designed for precision measurements of the PGRK directional angle. One of the drawbacks of the PGRK automatic gyrocompass is that it requires considerable time to bring it into “operation” mode at the PGRK combat position. To launch an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM), the launcher is hung on jacks, the gyrocompass is lowered to the ground (Figure 1), the launcher is set horizontally.

        More details can be read here: https://vpk.name/news/70948_izdelie_galsd24_dlya_
        podvizhnyih_raketnyih_kompleksov.html
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 21 February 2018 17: 51
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      Dm Rogozin was also “designed” in the 70s, as was “Poplar”. Wow! What a coincidence! belay
  2. sergo1914
    sergo1914 21 February 2018 16: 20
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    Nadiradze is a constructor from God. Great person.
  3. Old26
    Old26 21 February 2018 17: 04
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    Honestly a rather weak article. The author absolutely did not mention the "poplar with a dot" complex. Further, there is practically a repetition of well-known materials about the creation, but why and from what was created - there is nothing. Periodically errors in the notation. The number of complexes in the article also does not match the real

    Quote: AntiFREEZ
    And that it is lowered in front of the car, it looks like an outrigger. Who can enlighten?

    AKG - Automatic gyrocompass. To position the installation.
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    2. Colonel
      Colonel 22 February 2018 12: 49
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      Quote: Old26
      rather weak article

      So break out a strong article. Give accurate data, tell us how, for example, Granite differs from Zenith, well, and other nuances.
  4. In100gram
    In100gram 21 February 2018 17: 06
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    After the final decommissioning of all Topol PGRKs, the group of mobile missile systems will consist of several dozen combat vehicles of the Topol-M and Yars types.

    Dozens of combat vehicles? Five pieces each? Dear author, correct
  5. Old26
    Old26 21 February 2018 19: 53
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    Quote: In100gram
    After the final decommissioning of all Topol PGRKs, the group of mobile missile systems will consist of several dozen combat vehicles of the Topol-M and Yars types.

    Dozens of combat vehicles? Five pieces each? Dear author, correct

    There are now over 100 of them. There are only 18 Topol-Ms.
  6. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 21 February 2018 20: 29
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    I don’t quite understand why the predecessor of the PGRK ICBM Topol-PGRK ICBM Temp was destroyed? Here's what I found- Under the OSV-2 agreement signed in June 1979 by the leaders of the USSR and the USA, the Soviet Union committed itself not to produce, not to test, and not to deploy the Temp-2S missile system. As a result, the missile system (RK) was removed from combat duty in 1986 and liquidated. But as far as my memory serves, it was about short- and medium-range missiles, can anyone clarify?
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  7. merkava-2bet
    merkava-2bet 21 February 2018 20: 39
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    And one more thing, the Temp PGRK ICBM complex was put into service in 1974, and was so secret that when it was destroyed it was destroyed, even the photo was gone, there is still a battle in the Internet about this. Then the question was how the Yankees learned about it already in 1979 or earlier, because at that time our special services were not in vain eating their bread, they worked perfectly.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 February 2018 22: 49
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      Quote: merkava-2bet
      And one more thing, the Temp PGRK ICBM complex was put into service in 1974, and was so secret that when it was destroyed it was destroyed, even the photo was gone, there is still a battle in the Internet about this. Then the question was how the Yankees learned about it already in 1979 or earlier, because at that time our special services were not in vain eating their bread, they worked perfectly.

      I served on it in Mirny, the secrecy was really at the level ... Although the mobile complex never went out of the special structures at the checkpoint. Officially, he was listed in the MPC mode - a long-term storage program, in Mirny there was a whole division, it was called the 6th polygon training center, and the regiments were called OIICH. In fact, the complex was in full combat duty with deployed launchers in constant readiness for launch.
      According to the Agreement, the OSV-2 was considered non-deployed and without a third stage.
      How did the Americans find out about this? From Gorbachev ... Then for us regiment officers
      it was a complete surprise like thunder from a clear sky. And I went to serve just on the new RK Topol
      1. merkava-2bet
        merkava-2bet 21 February 2018 23: 07
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        I apologize for the corrosiveness, but, as I wrote above, the OSV-2 agreement was signed in 1979 and it already mentioned the Temp PGRK ICBM, that is, long before the magnanimity of M.S.Gorbachev, when he gave a lot of things to the USA, either the contract touched all the strategic nuclear forces systems or a mistake was made.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 21 February 2018 23: 31
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          Quote: merkava-2bet
          OSV-2 was signed in 1979 and it already mentioned the PGRK ICBM Temp

          That's right ... I wrote above that we were essentially deceiving the Americans
          Quote: Ascetic
          Officially, he was listed in the MPC mode - a long-term storage program,

          Quote: Ascetic
          In fact, the complex was in full combat duty with deployed launchers in constant readiness for launch.

          That is, under the contract, he was considered to be non-deployed, in fact, he was fully deployed and was on duty with docked monoblock warheads.
          Until 1985 everything was quiet and calm, and then like thunder from a clear sky in the month of May and stopped selling vodka in the garrison, they started OSh for us ... request
          It is still impossible to tell much, I can only say that the products were sent to Arzamas-16, the further fate is unknown.
    2. Moore
      Moore 23 February 2018 07: 33
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      Quote: merkava-2bet
      here's another thing, the Temp PGRK ICBM complex was put into service in 1974, and was so secret that when it was destroyed it was destroyed, even the photo was left,

      In the Riga School, in a secret building, in a secret office behind a special sealed curtain, a secret oil painting hung (namely oil and precisely with secret details): SPU 15U67 in all its glory on the march with all the small details of the design. lol The artist did not save the name of the artist, and they probably burned the schools during the evacuation.
  8. Operator
    Operator 21 February 2018 20: 42
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    "Sarmat" + BRDS + SPRN = our everything.

    "Poplar" / "Topol-M" / "Yars" - ftopku.
  9. Old26
    Old26 21 February 2018 22: 59
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    Quote: merkava-2bet
    I don’t quite understand why the predecessor of the PGRK ICBM Topol-PGRK ICBM Temp was destroyed? Here's what I found- Under the OSV-2 agreement signed in June 1979 by the leaders of the USSR and the USA, the Soviet Union committed itself not to produce, not to test, and not to deploy the Temp-2S missile system. As a result, the missile system (RK) was removed from combat duty in 1986 and liquidated. But as far as my memory serves, it was about short- and medium-range missiles, can anyone clarify?

    You are talking about two different complexes.
    There was a mobile soil rocket complex "Temp-2C" (15Zh42, contract designation RS-14, staff designation SS-16). And there was a complex destroyed by the agreement under the INF Treaty - Temp-S (OTR-12 or OTR-22, staff designation SS-12).
    As for the fact that Temp-2C is the predecessor of Topol ...

    In fact, the story is somewhat different. When in the process of elaborating the OSV-2 treaty it became clear that the Americans would make every effort to reduce the Temp-2C complex, the work on creating new Temp-2C-based missiles was accelerated. These were the Temp-2SM1 (15Zh47) and Temp-2SM2 (15Zh48) missiles. Both complexes were with RGCh. The options were different. On 15ZH47, RGCh with 5, 4, 3 BBs were studied, on 15ZH48 - with 3 BB. But in the process of development most likely the necessary results were not achieved and a decision was made to create a PGRK with a single-block heavy warhead. So she got the name "Poplar". In parallel, work was underway to create a medium-range complex with 2 steps from the Temp-2S complex. These complexes received the name "Pioneer"

    The Topol test did not go on until the Protocol expired on the OSV-2 agreement (and this is 1981). So it turned out that the TEMP-2C complex missiles were destroyed according to Treaty A. In fact, the complex with the modernized TEMP- missile was created 2C "and another name ...
    The complex unfortunately violated the OSV-2 treaty legally, since only one missile could be created under the Treaty (it was a Molodets missile. And we called this missile “modernization” of the RT-2P missile, although it was two different missiles of two different design bureaus And the parameters of the rocket did not agree with the parameters of modernization

    Quote: Operator
    "Sarmat" + BRDS + SPRN = our everything.

    "Poplar" / "Topol-M" / "Yars" - ftopku.

    Moreover, what you call our 2/3 all does not exist. There is neither SARMAT nor BRDS. But the fact that there is a gun and are in service
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 21 February 2018 23: 40
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      Then another question is, if the Temp-2C ICBM was not deployed, but had experimental status, or as they wrote for long-term storage, so what is the reason for including it in the contract, and by the way how much was released?
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 22 February 2018 00: 19
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        Quote: merkava-2bet
        how much was it released?

        42 SPU, It was originally from 1976 in the MPC mode until 1985. Really carried a full-fledged database with all the attributes.
        Under the OSV-2 agreement concluded in June 1979 between the USSR and the USA, the Soviet Union assumed obligations not to produce, not to test do not deploy Temp-2S missile system and do not produce its third step. In 1985, all rockets and ground equipment units were destroyed by Decree of the USSR Council of Ministers No. 250-87 dated March 26, 1985 pursuant to the OSV-2 Treaty of 1979. Actually, we did not formally fulfill the agreement. As soon as Gorbachev came to power, the complex was liquidated in accordance with the contract. In general, the story is dark, everything happened very quickly and we probably will not know the truth soon
  10. Old26
    Old26 21 February 2018 23: 13
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    Quote: Ascetic
    How did the Americans find out about this? From Gorbachev ... Then for us regiment officers

    I do not agree. Gorby came to power in 1985. In the OSV-2 agreement concluded in 1979, this complex was already mentioned, and work in MIT on the option "Temp-2CM2 with a monoblock - aka" Topol "was begun back in 1977
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 February 2018 23: 43
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      Quote: Old26
      Gorby came to power in 1985. In the OSV-2 agreement concluded in 1979, this complex was already mentioned,

      He actually stood on the database until 1985. in the city of Mirny 6IU. Removal measures from the MPE began in June 1985. and by September, almost all the officers had been scattered around the new duty station, mainly to Poplar. In September 1985 I also went to a new duty station in the unit, which was only formed under the Topol complex in 54gv.rd. August 24, 1988 the regiment entered the HBS, September 20, 1988. entered the database with the full complement of 9PU.
  11. kvs207
    kvs207 22 February 2018 07: 29
    +2
    "In mid-July 1985, the Strategic Missile Forces missile regiment, stationed in Yoshkar-Ola, put the first division of mobile soil complexes of a new type on experimental combat duty. A few months later, another missile regiment received the same" news "."

    Just at that time, he built a BSP for these complexes in the Kirov taiga. It is a pity that this missile division no longer exists.
  12. Old26
    Old26 22 February 2018 10: 05
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    Quote: merkava-2bet
    Then another question is, if the Temp-2C ICBM was not deployed, but had experimental status, or as they wrote for long-term storage, so what is the reason for including it in the contract, and by the way how much was released?

    Dear Ascetic already answered you. Legally (under a contract), the complex was considered not deployed, in fact, it was on combat duty, only in a slightly different form - in the form of MPE. That is, the cars did not go on patrol, but could just shoot from a standing point
    Released, as the respected Ascetic wrote correctly, 42 SPU and EMNIP 46 or 48 missiles

    Quote: Ascetic
    He actually stood on the database until 1985. in the city of Mirny 6IU. Removal measures from the MPE began in June 1985. and by September, almost all the officers had been scattered around the new duty station, mainly to Poplar. In September 1985 I also went to a new duty station in the unit, which was only formed under the Topol complex in 54gv.rd. August 24, 1988 the regiment entered the HBS, September 20, 1988. entered the database with the full complement of 9PU.

    Dear Ascetic! I absolutely do not argue that the removal of the "ghostly division" from the database began under Gorbachev. Just to the question how did you find out about him, you wrote that you passed Gorbi. My remark came down to the fact that the Americans announced the complex at the beginning of work under the OSV-2 agreement. Therefore, work began on the creation on its base of the medium-range missile defense system "Pioneer" and the intercontinental "Poplar"
    And departed to a new duty station - in the 321st .... good

    Quote: kvs207
    Just at that time, he built a BSP for these complexes in the Kirov taiga. It is a pity that this missile division no longer exists.

    In Yurye? There is, but a slightly different hypostasis
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 25 February 2018 15: 24
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      Quote: Old26
      Dear Ascetic! I absolutely do not argue that the removal of the "ghostly division" from the database began under Gorbachev. Just to the question how did you find out about him, you wrote that you passed Gorbi.

      March 11, 1985 Gorbachev came to power, on March 28, the Council of Ministers issued a resolution on the liquidation of the complex in accordance with the Treaty .... Without a first person, such issues are not resolved. In addition, everything was done swiftly, which is called a stroke of the pen ... And if you remember how the conclusion of the GBV went according to the same scheme, it is logical to assume that the decisive role of the perestroika architect was not without.
  13. Old26
    Old26 22 February 2018 17: 02
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    Quote: colonel
    Quote: Old26
    rather weak article

    So break out a strong article. Give accurate data, tell us how, for example, Granite differs from Zenith, well, and other nuances.

    Sorry. But if the author simply copies the known data without going into details - what, can this article be called strong? I don’t think so. The numbers in quantity should also be formed very carefully. And if the author claims that in the late 90s, as a result of all the firing and other things, 200-230 launchers remained in service, while for mutual exchanges for 1998 we still had 360, and for January 2005 - 306 - to agree with opinion of the author? I don’t think so ...

    As for your question, GRANITE is the PKP of the missile regiment. Index 15B178. And ZENIT is the PKP of the missile division. The difference is in the aggregates.

    PKP missile regiment GRANITE 15V178 consisted of
    • Combat control vehicles 15V168
    • Communication machines No. 1 15V179
    • Communication machines No. 2 15V75

    PKP rocket division ZENIT 15V176 consisted of
    • Combat control vehicles 15V167
    • Communication machines No. 1 15V179
    • Communication machines No. 2 15V75

    Well, there were also MOBD 15V148 (since 1989, 15V231)
    Are you happy with this answer?
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 22 February 2018 19: 30
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      Of course not happy. Tov Ryabov outlined a rather harmonious history of creation and adoption. You just said that everything is somehow wrong. I know a lot by occupation, but the article is not only for those who served in the Strategic Rocket Forces. If you know, tell us what you can, otherwise it smacks of snobbery. And in general, the division of the troposphere (it’s MS-2, it’s 15B75) has never been (from the heart). We had only 15B148 MOBDs, but we got to the database at 88m, so I do not argue.
  14. Old26
    Old26 22 February 2018 21: 11
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    Quote: colonel
    Of course not happy. Tov Ryabov outlined a rather harmonious history of creation and adoption. You just said that everything is somehow wrong. I know a lot by occupation, but the article is not only for those who served in the Strategic Rocket Forces. If you know, tell us what you can, otherwise it smacks of snobbery. And in general, the division of the troposphere (it’s MS-2, it’s 15B75) has never been (from the heart). We had only 15B148 MOBDs, but we got to the database at 88m, so I do not argue.

    Kamrad! Snobbery here and does not smell. No need to ascribe to me what is not. As for the story, the answer is comrade merkava-2bet I gave a concrete example. how the complex "Topol" was created. I agree with the remark about MS-2. Honestly, I copied what the PKP RP had and forgot to remove the excess.
    As for the history of creation, in my own words I very briefly described what was in the book released 10 years ago on the anniversary of MIT "On the strategic direction"

    There are flaws with indexes too
    Available mobile soil missile systems 15P168 "Poplar"

    but it is clear that the author was mistaken and wrote 15P158 instead of 15P168. Therefore, I do not particularly focus on this.

    But when they start talking about the quantitative composition and write
    According to the latest data, only 70 Topol missiles with RT-2PM missiles are currently on duty as part of the Strategic Missile Forces.

    I apologize - this is just the "laziness" of the author. As of January 1, 2017, 36 were already in service.

    Further, dear comrade Colonel. Author, Cyril writes
    At the end of April 1987, in the Sverdlovsk Region, the first missile regiment fully equipped with 15P158 complexes took over. This equipment was controlled by a mobile command post of the type "Barrier". About a year later, along with the new Topol, troops began to supply command posts "Granite"having other characteristics and capabilities.

    But as far as I remember the "history" of PKP "Barrier", RK 15P158 never had. He was only about 15P642, 15P645 and 15P645K. But 15P653 and RK 15P158.1 already had PKP Barrier-M. But the author did not say a word about Topol with a Point.

    so I think (this is my IMHO) that this article is fairly weak with Cyril. Others have significantly more "strong"

    Best regards
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 23 February 2018 08: 12
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      Yes, probably the term "snobbery" is too much, but, on the third hand, your comments are always quite informative and you could well have burst into an article on a similar topic. You only comment, often quite caustically. Sincerely.
  15. Old26
    Old26 23 February 2018 10: 59
    +2
    Quote: colonel
    Yes, probably the term "snobbery" is too much, but, on the third hand, your comments are always quite informative and you could well have burst into an article on a similar topic. You only comment, often quite caustically. Sincerely.

    You know, to be honest, I'm afraid. I don’t like to write “upstairs”, but to paint - it’s somehow scary that I’m missing something important. And many complexes have already been written a dozen times. there is one truth, my "beloved" direction - unrealized complexes. The same MIT. For others, either a minimum is known, or already on various resources. But the biggest drawback of the same topic about unrealized complexes is the complete absence of any graphic information.
    But if this is interesting to someone, I can try
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 23 February 2018 14: 11
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      Quote: Old26
      somehow scary

      Damn, you don’t know what articles happen here? The biggest crime of our generation is that we will take away much of what we know with us and the current, shell-shocked Pepsi-Cola, the generation will be forced to dance on our rake if it gets to them, of course. My opinion is interesting (you need to make youngsters read) and necessary. Sincerely.
  16. Old26
    Old26 23 February 2018 19: 01
    +2
    Quote: colonel
    Quote: Old26
    somehow scary

    Damn, you don’t know what articles happen here? The biggest crime of our generation is that we will take away much of what we know with us and the current, shell-shocked Pepsi-Cola, the generation will be forced to dance on our rake if it gets to them, of course. My opinion is interesting (you need to make youngsters read) and necessary. Sincerely.

    Agreed. Now someone can tell me the algorithm for this action. What is the volume, where to write and stuff ??
    1. merkava-2bet
      merkava-2bet 23 February 2018 20: 15
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      The volume is as large and scrupulous as possible, with diagrams and drawings, where to write here, just say or kint the battle cry, and many here will help in this holy work. Thank you in advance.
  17. Old26
    Old26 23 February 2018 22: 30
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    Quote: merkava-2bet
    Volume as much as possible.

    Well, “more” is the most common brand of Military Review. In any topic you read only one phrase - "more." If there are 12 ships (the topic is about "Buyan-M"), then the requirements are put forward that you need 50 or 100. Absolutely not caring about the reality of such numbers. What engines do during the day? Well, etc.
    All that is will be

    Quote: merkava-2bet
    with diagrams and drawings.

    But this alas. Of all the unrealized complexes, only in relation to the two design bureaus "Yuzhny" were drawings and diagrams. Products of Tyurin Design Bureau - out of two dozens, only with respect to one complex was there any kind of pattern. I didn’t see any unrealized drawings by MIT
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 24 February 2018 08: 36
      +2
      I suppose that at first it makes sense to try not a lot, but with intrigue. Otherwise, there will be a lot of bukff, and you know how a fair share of the current community reacts to this. Well, then more. IMHO of course.
  18. Old26
    Old26 24 February 2018 10: 49
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    Quote: colonel
    I suppose that at first it makes sense to try not a lot, but with intrigue. Otherwise, there will be a lot of bukff, and you know how a fair share of the current community reacts to this. Well, then more. IMHO of course.

    And I don’t swing a lot. The only question is how this is done. We must somehow go to the moderators (like, what address), send them an article (in what format, how much). Who knows - help with advice
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 24 February 2018 20: 19
      +1
      Your profile has the option "add article", try using it.
  19. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 24 February 2018 16: 13
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    Quote: Moore
    In the Riga school, in a secret building, in a secret office, behind a special sealed curtain, a secret oil painting hung (namely oil and precisely with secret details): SPU 15U67 in all its glory on the march with all the small details of the design. The artist did not save the name of the artist, and they probably burned the schools during the evacuation.

    And in our regiment, in a no less secret room, there was a poster with a sign indicating the number and type of basing of ICBMs in the USA, France and China. Moreover, in China all the launchers were land-based, with a monstrous time spent on the preparation of the launch.
    And now they have full-fledged transportable ICBMs, and much more.
    That time flies.
    PS On a winter trip to the field, one Moldovan soldier loved to nod at night on guard at the AIP. No horror stories about baldness and not only could not scare him.
  20. Old26
    Old26 26 February 2018 10: 43
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    Quote: colonel
    Yes, probably the term "snobbery" is too much, but, on the third hand, your comments are always quite informative and you could well have burst into an article on a similar topic. You only comment, often quite caustically. Sincerely.

    Dear comrade. You are unlikely to wait for the article, because it "did not pass." Of course, I will not challenge the decisions. so you have to endure me as a "caustic" commentator
    Best regards
  21. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 14 August 2018 18: 15
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    Quote: merkava-2bet
    I don’t quite understand why the predecessor of the PGRK ICBM Topol-PGRK ICBM Temp was destroyed? Here's what I found- Under the OSV-2 agreement signed in June 1979 by the leaders of the USSR and the USA, the Soviet Union committed itself not to produce, not to test, and not to deploy the Temp-2S missile system. As a result, the missile system (RK) was removed from combat duty in 1986 and liquidated. But as far as my memory serves, it was about short- and medium-range missiles, can anyone clarify?

    This is Poplar Temp-2C. It was renamed to confuse the Americans. Temp-2S-RS-14, Topol-RT-2PM, although the RT-2P is a completely different mine-based missile. During the development of Topol, they altered part of the steps and worked out a variant of the RCG. The monoblock version went into the series.