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The current state of the air defense system of Armenia

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The current state of the air defense system of Armenia



Some time ago, in the comments on the publication devoted to the problems of air defense, I entered into a discussion with one of the site visitors, who, judging by everything, lives in Armenia. This respected resident of a friendly Transcaucasian republic took it upon himself to assert that everything related to the C-400 anti-aircraft missile system (proposed for export, including NATO countries) in general and the Russian air defense in particular, is the strictest state secret. And because of this, ordinary citizens can not be aware of the composition and characteristics of air defense systems, areas of permanent deployment of air defense units and places of deployment of anti-aircraft missile divisions in peacetime. Such a categorical statement could be partially fair in the days of the Soviet Union. But in the era of reckless trade with our newest anti-aircraft systems, the ubiquity of modern information technologies and the absolute availability of commercial satellite images of sufficiently high resolution, it is simply ridiculous to read.

In addition, it should be understood that Western “partners”, in whose economy we, despite our bellicose rhetoric, are making multibillion-dollar injections, are closely following Russian achievements in the field of air defense. Russian borders are monitored monthly by electronic reconnaissance aircraft recording the radiations of Russian radars, light stations and the guidance of anti-aircraft missiles, and reconnaissance satellites plying through space. Our “strategic partner” in the Far East does not lag behind the NATO countries. Quite often, reconnaissance aircraft of the PLA Air Force, stuffed with special equipment, built on the basis of Tu-154 passenger aircraft and Y-8 (An-12) airliners fly along the Russian Far Eastern borders.

Unlike Western countries, where open expert reports regularly publish information about the state of Russia's defense capability, the “Chinese friends” are in no hurry to share the data. But there is no doubt that in the West and in the East everything is carefully analyzed and appropriate conclusions are drawn. However, in general, in domestic and foreign open sources there is a lot of information that allows you to get an idea of ​​the state of the air defense system of a particular country. The publication of intelligence obtained by the Western media is largely due to the fact that the military departments of the NATO countries, frightening the inhabitants with the “Russian threat”, are thus knocking out additional funding. Based on the above, today, as an example, we specifically for the visitors of the Military Survey, sincerely believing that in the modern world you can hide the number, characteristics and locations of anti-aircraft systems, consider the state of the Armenian air defense system, relying solely on open public sources.

Historically, Armenia has close political, economic and cultural ties with Russia. It can be stated with complete confidence that after the collapse of the USSR, the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Armenia were largely preserved thanks to diplomatic and military support from the Russian Federation. Armenia still has unresolved territorial disputes with Azerbaijan, and diplomatic relations have not been established with Turkey. Being one of the first Christian countries, Armenia borders on Turkey from the west, from Azerbaijan to the east, and from Iran to the south. These Islamic countries are many times superior to Armenia in economic, industrial and military potential. At the same time, only on the Armenian-Iranian border can the situation be considered calm.

In the last years of the existence of the USSR, an ethno-political conflict began to flare up between Armenia and Azerbaijan. He had a long cultural, political and historical roots, and if during the years of "stagnation" nationalist protests were severely suppressed, then after the beginning of "perestroika" the enmity between Armenians and Azerbaijanis took open forms.

In 1991-1994, the confrontation escalated into large-scale hostilities for control of Nagorno-Karabakh and some adjacent territories. During the battles, armored vehicles, artillery, MLRS and combat were actively used aviation. The superiority of the Azerbaijani side in the air led to the fact that the Armenian armed forces began to actively build up their air defense capabilities. The weapons at the first stage of the war were the warehouses of the 366th motorized rifle regiment stationed in Stepanakert. Initially, the militia had 23 mm anti-aircraft guns, as well as 14,5 and 12,7 mm machine guns. The greatest threat to aircraft and helicopters was represented by four ZSU-23-4 Shilka and MANPADS Strela-2M. The first combat success was achieved by Armenian anti-aircraft gunners on January 28, 1992, when an Azerbaijani Mi-8 was shot down from MANPADS. By the autumn of 1993, several anti-aircraft batteries of 57-mm S-60 guns with RPK-1 "Vaza" gun-guided radar and several dozens of MANPADS had already been deployed in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.

After the transfer of property, military equipment and weapons of the 7 Army of the Transcaucasian Military District and the 96 Air Defense Missile Brigade of the 19 Army of Air Defense, deployed in Armenia, the combat potential of the air defense in the conflict zone sharply increased. According to the data published by the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), by the middle of 1994, Russia had transferred the Krug-М1 and Kuba medium-range mobile air defense systems to the Armenian armed forces, and the Strela-1 short-range mobile complexes 10 ”and“ Osa-AKM ”, MANPADS“ Strela-2M ”and“ Needle-1 ”, as well as ZSU-23-4“ Shilka ”, anti-aircraft artillery ZU-23 and С-60. Object defense was reinforced by several anti-aircraft missile divisions C-125M and C-75М3. Monitoring of the airspace of the Republic and the issuance of target designation of air defense systems was carried out by radars: П-12М, П-14, П-15, П-18, П-19, П-35, П-37, П-40 and radio height meters: PRV-9, PRV-11, PRV-13, PRV-16.

After the Armenian forces received modern anti-aircraft armament, the combat aircraft of the Azerbaijani Air Force could no longer piracy in the sky of Nagorno-Karabakh with impunity, which immediately affected the course of hostilities. Mobile air defense systems were delivered through the Lachin corridor between Armenia and Artsakh.


Position of the Circle-M1 air defense system in Nagorno-Karabakh


Some sources write about sending the battery of the Krug-М1 air defense system from the 59-th anti-aircraft brigade deployed during the Soviet era in Artik to the combat zone. At the same time, in open sources there are photographs of the positions of the Kub anti-aircraft missile system deployed near Stepanakert.


The position of the Cube "Kub" in Nagorno-Karabakh


There is no doubt that short-range mobile anti-aircraft missile systems and the Shilka ZSU-23-4 were also deployed in Nagorno-Karabakh. In addition to armored vehicles and artillery systems, the 9 of May 1995 of the year during the military parade in Stepanakert were demonstrated the Osa-AKM air defense missile system, the Krug self-propelled launcher and several transport-charging vehicles based on ZIL-131 missiles for the C-125M air defense missile system.

According to the data published in Armenia, before the conclusion of an armistice in 1994, the Azerbaijani air forces lost 20 combat aircraft, including: Su-25, Su-17, MiG-21, MiG-23, MiG-25, L-29 and L-39 , as well as 18 helicopters Mi-8 and Mi-24. Azerbaijan has confirmed the loss of 10 aircraft.


The wreckage of the downed Azerbaijani Su-25


No reliable details on the use of medium-range air defense systems in the Transcaucasus were published in open sources, but it is known that on March 17 in the vicinity of Stepanakert, Armenian air defense forces accidentally destroyed the Iranian military transport aircraft C-1994 flying at an altitude inaccessible to small complexes range. Iranian “Hercules” transported families of Iranian diplomats from Moscow to Tehran. As stated later in Armenia, Azerbaijani dispatchers deliberately sent a transport worker to the area of ​​hostilities. As a result of the tragedy, 130 people died, including women and children.

Unfortunately, the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is far from over. On the line of demarcation, there is a regular exchange of fire and various kinds of provocations. Recently, Azerbaijan has been using unmanned aerial vehicles for reconnaissance and strikes against positions of the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army, which keeps the air defense units in tension. Thus, 4 March 2017, approximately in 12: 15 local time, on the eastern part of the Karabakh-Azerbaijani contact line, was shot down by an Orbiter drone belonging to Azerbaijani armed forces.



Although the Armenian authorities categorically deny the official participation of the Armenian armed forces in the Karabakh conflict, it is clear that Nagorno-Karabakh could not stand alone against Azerbaijan, which was actively supported by Turkey. The air defense units of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Defense Army have, if not new, but still quite effective mobile troop air defense systems: Osa-AKM and Strela-10, as well as numerous Igla MANPADS. In service is a few dozen anti-aircraft artillery and machine gun installations.



The airspace over Nagorno-Karabakh and the surrounding territories is controlled by the P-18 and P-19 radar. In a number of foreign sources there is information that at least one modern 36Д6 radar operates in the territory of the Armenian autonomy. Alert air and control air defense units is carried out by radio network and telephone lines.


Satellite image of Google Earth: the position of the Krug-МХNUMX air defense system on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh


Whether the Krug-М1 and Kub systems are in working condition at the present time is not known. These anti-aircraft complexes together with the low-altitude air defense system С-125М1 are mentioned by The Military Balance 2017. On satellite images for 2016 year in positions to the south-west and east of Stepanakert, you can observe the position of the C-125М1, "Krug-М1" and "Cube".


Google Earth Satellite Image: C-125М1 Positioning System in Nagorno-Karabakh


At the moment, mobile military air defense systems on the crawler "Circle" and "Cube", inherited by the independent republics after the collapse of the USSR, have been almost completely decommissioned due to the development of the resource. In the Russian armed forces, the last “Circle-M1” was written off in 2006. By that moment, the complex, in the apparatus of which the lamp element base was used, no longer met the modern requirements for noise immunity. Missiles with direct-flow engines that worked on kerosene, because of cracking soft rubber fuel tanks flowed, and their operation was extremely dangerous in terms of fire.


Launch of anti-aircraft missile SAM "Circle"


In turn, the “Cube” air defense system, the production of which was completed in 1983, the warranty periods for the storage of anti-aircraft missiles have long expired. If for the allied countries of the USSR there were deliveries of fresh missiles, then in the Soviet air defense units of the Ground Forces, the Kub complexes were planned to be completely replaced by more advanced Buk-M1. Until the middle of the 80-x, new Kvadrat SAM systems were exported, which were an export version of the “Cuba”. At the same time, in the Soviet Army, in anticipation of replacing the new generation with complexes, they finished off the resource available to the troops of the Kub air defense system.


Self-propelled launcher 2P25 anti-aircraft missile system "Cube"


On anti-aircraft missiles ZM9M with expired storage periods, in the event of a change in the characteristics of the density of solid rocket fuel, it is impossible to guarantee the normal operation of a ramjet engine. In addition, the maintenance of the decrepit complexes in working condition requires heroic computation efforts. Practically throughout the entire post-Soviet space, the Krug and Kub air defense system was completed, and it is likely that the air defense systems, operating in Nagorno-Karabakh, are the last ones listed in the ranks.

There is no doubt that the Defense Army of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is in fact a part of the Armenian armed forces, and the defense of the Armenian enclave in the territory contested by Azerbaijan depends on decisions taken in Yerevan. There is also no doubt that the air defense system and the surveillance radars deployed in the area are fully integrated with the air defense system of Armenia.

The formation of a centralized air defense system in Armenia began in the second half of the 90-x. Initially, the main means of hitting air targets attracted to combat duty were the medium-range air defense systems С-75М3, low-altitude С-125М1 and military complexes "Krug-М1". The P-14, P-18, P-35 and P-37 radars, which previously belonged to the 19 Army's air defense units, were used to control the air situation over the territory of the republic and the border airspace of neighboring states. Since 1995, the Russian side has been providing the preparation of calculations and the supply of spare parts. At the beginning of the 21, the C-75 medium-range air defense missile systems with very difficult-to-use liquid-propellant missiles were gradually removed from combat duty and replaced with C-300PT / PS mobile anti-aircraft missile systems. The last C-75 complex, deployed south of Yerevan, was sent “for storage” in 2010.


Transport-charging vehicles of the “Krug” air defense system on the parade in Yerevan


Also noteworthy is the fact that a significant number of mobile “Krug-МХNUMX” air defense systems appeared in the air defense of Armenia, many times greater than the number of combat vehicles, originally included in the 1 zrbr. Apparently, at the end of 59-s, Armenia received additional anti-aircraft systems being decommissioned in Russia. The “Circle-M90” air defense system was located in the mountainous areas in the south-east of the country and in the vicinity of the settlement of Gavar, near Lake Sevan. The mobile troop complexes Krug-M1 carried combat duty approximately until 1. Now more advanced anti-aircraft systems are deployed in these positions.


Satellite image of Google Earth: C-300PT ground position south of Yerevan


The main forces of air defense are concentrated in the vicinity of the Armenian capital. Yerevan is defended by four anti-aircraft missile divisions of the C-300PT air defense system. This first serial modification of the 300-series with towed launchers was put into service in the 1978 year. Initially, only the radio command 5B55K missiles with a range of aerial targets to 47 km were included in the ammunition system. That is, in range, the first C-300PT version was even inferior to the C-74М3 / М4 SAM system. In 1983, the upgraded C-300PT-1 system introduced the 5ВХNUMXР SAM from a semi-active seeker which could hit targets at a distance of up to 55 km.


5P85-1 towed launcher of the C-300PT anti-aircraft missile system during exercises in Armenia in October 2013

In the second half of the 80-x, deliveries of the 5B55PM SAM began with a range increased to 90 km. These missiles could be used as part of the C-300PT / PS missiles. According to its firing characteristics, the C-300PS is similar to the upgraded C-300PT system, but all the launchers are located on the MAZ-543 self-propelled chassis.


5P85С self-propelled launcher C-300PS at the parade in Yerevan


In addition to C-300PT, there are two C-300PS in the Armenian armed forces. These anti-aircraft divisions are deployed in a mountainous area in the vicinity of the villages of Goris and Kakhnut, not far from the border with Azerbaijan. Obviously, self-propelled launchers make it easier to climb mountains along narrow serpentines than missiles on towed trailers.


Google Earth Satellite Image: C-300PS GMS Position in the vicinity of the village of Goris


The range of defeat of the anti-aircraft systems deployed in Armenia allows creating an anti-aircraft umbrella over the corridor connecting with Armenia and preventing the strikes of Azerbaijani aviation against the defensive positions of the Artsakh Republic defense forces. The satellite images clearly show that, in contrast to C-300PT around Yerevan, C-300PS divisions in mountainous areas of the republic are on combat duty with a truncated composition - the number of launchers in the firing position is much less than the regular schedule. However, most of the low-altitude launchers of the C-125 air defense systems are also not fully equipped with missiles. Apparently, this is due to the lack of anti-aircraft missiles and an attempt to extend their resources.


Satellite image of Google Earth: the position of the C-125 air defense system in the vicinity of the Yerevan-Parakar airfield


As of 2016, the 5 anti-aircraft divisions of the C-125 anti-aircraft divisions were on duty in Armenia in the year. In the past, a number of media outlets stated that Armenia was interested in modernizing its “one hundred and twenty-five” to the level of Pechera-2M. But, apparently, in the republic there were no free funds for this.

To cover the air situation in Armenia there are five permanent radar posts. In addition to issuing target designation to anti-aircraft missile divisions and fighter pointing, radar: P-18, P-37, 5Н84А, 22Ж6М, 36ДХNUMX and radio altitude meters PRV-6 and PRV-16; According to foreign sources, the P-17 mobile airborne detection stations, which were previously part of the Krug air defense brigade, are not written off and are now operated in fixed positions. Survey radars in Gyumri and at the Erebuni airbase are serviced by Russian specialists.



There is evidence of deployment near the Ashtarak city of the Sky-SV radar station. In the past, the C-125 and C-75 air defense systems were located near the road in the direction of the village of Karbi. Until now, missiles for C-75 are stored in the abandoned position of the military unit. According to unconfirmed information, the Periscope-VM 57-X6 radar complex was installed on Mount Aragats, specifically designed to detect targets flying in mountain conditions at low altitudes and in difficult jamming environments. At the junction of the borders of Georgia and Azerbaijan, in the vicinity of the village of Verin Akhtala, 5Н84А "Defense-14" and 36Д6 radars are deployed.


Layout of positions of air defense missile systems and radar stations on the territory of Armenia


According to the statements of high-ranking Armenian military, data obtained from radar stations located in lowland areas of the country are transmitted in real-time to automated air defense command and control systems. HF and VHF radio networks, as well as radio relay lines are used as backup communication channels. According to Western data, the central command post of the Armenian air defense system is located near the settlement of Hovtashat, 17 km west of Yerevan.

Assessing the state of the anti-aircraft missile and radio engineering troops of the Armenian armed forces, it can be noted that a significant part of the radars deployed in the country are new types. At the same time, the most up-to-date Armenian ZRS C300PT / PS are close to the end of their life cycle. According to data published by the manufacturer, currently 5B55Р / 5В55РМ anti-aircraft missiles are far beyond the warranty period of operation. In the past, representatives of the Almaz-Antey Aerospace Defense Concern voiced information that the designated resource of the newest C-300PS airplanes ended in the 2013 year. This will inevitably affect the level of technical reliability of anti-aircraft systems that are on combat duty. The problem of replenishing ammunition is very acute, since the production of 5ВХNUMXР anti-aircraft missiles for the Russian air defense forces was discontinued at the end of the 55s. Even older are the low-altitude C-90M125 SAMs. The serial construction of the “hundred-twelve” for the USSR air defense forces was completed at the beginning of the 1-s. Of course, the low-altitude C-80 is very successful and fairly reliable with proper maintenance of the complex, but its resource is not unlimited.


New transport-loading vehicle for C-125 SAM systems based on KAMAZ


It is possible to maintain the equipment of anti-aircraft complexes in working condition due to the supply of spare parts from Russia and the repair work carried out at local enterprises. An indirect evidence of the fact that Armenia intends to modernize the existing C-125 air defense systems is the display of new transport-charging vehicles based on the three-axle all-wheel drive KamaZ in September 2016.


Buk-М2 air defense system on parade in Yerevan


One of the novelties in the air defense of Armenia is the Buk-М2 medium-range mobile air defense system. Several combat vehicles loaded onto wheeled carriers were also demonstrated at a military parade in the 2016 year. The Armenian C-300PT / PS, as well as the C-125М1 and Buk-M2 air defense missile systems are listed as part of the Air Force.


Position Buk-М2


In addition to anti-aircraft missile systems, which provide defense for strategic facilities and the capital, there are a significant amount of military air defense weapons in the Armenian armed forces, designed to counter aviation at low altitude. According to The Military Balance 2017, the Army’s air defense units have 178 short-range air defense systems “Osa-AK / AKM” on the wheel-mounted chassis, 48 “Strela-10” on the tracked base MT-LB and the same ZSU-23-4 “ Shilka. In addition, 90 MANPADS “Igla” and “Igla-S” and up to 400 of old MANPADS “Strela-2M” and “Strela-3” are mentioned. There are also several hundred 23 and 57-mm anti-aircraft guns and 14,5-mm ZPU in the troops and in “storage”. Part of the ZU-23 installed on all-terrain vehicles and lightly armored tracked transporters.


Armenian short-range air defense system "Osa-AKM" at the parade in Yerevan


It is difficult to say how reliable this data is, but in terms of the number of air defense systems of the “Osa” family, most likely, there are all the complexes that were once delivered to Armenia. With a high degree of probability, it can be assumed that for the 30 years that have passed since the end of the mass production of the Osa air defense system, a significant part of the complexes failed, and their real number in Armenia is much smaller. The same goes for the performance of 70-80's MANPADS.



It is no coincidence that in 2016, an agreement was reached with Russia to provide a tied loan of $ 200 million for the purchase of a large batch of modern weapons, including portable Igla-S and Verba anti-aircraft complexes. The decision to acquire MANPADS was made after another aggravation on the line of the Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation in Nagorno-Karabakh. In the course of the hostilities, Azerbaijan used kamikaze drones and fire support helicopters to a limited extent. During the clashes in April 2016, the NKR's air defenses managed to bring down the Azerbaijani Mi-24 and several UAVs. In Stepanakert, they believe that this was a “combat reconnaissance” of the state of the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army. With a great deal of confidence, it can be argued that the Azerbaijani side refrained from the widespread use of military aviation, fearing serious losses.

The maintenance of a proper level of combat readiness of the air defense forces of Armenia is achieved through Russian assistance and through the organization of repair and restoration of equipment and weapons at local enterprises. With the help of Russian specialists, the restoration and "small" modernization of the existing anti-aircraft systems and complexes have been established in the republic.



An example of Russian-Armenian cooperation in this area is the installation of a new system for digital processing of a radar signal using modern radio-electronic and computer technologies during reconditioning on the Osa-AKM air defense system.

At the moment, there are no serviceable combat aircraft in the RA Air Force capable of intercepting air targets. Budget constraints do not allow to purchase and maintain even the minimum fleet of fighters. The only interceptor formally listed in the Air Force is the former Azerbaijani MiG-25PD, hijacked to Armenia on 14, January 1993. But, judging from satellite images, for over 10 years this aircraft has been a “real estate”. The trophy interceptor MiG-25, located on the Shirak airbase, is placed in the parking lot, which stores the defective or outdated aircraft.


Satellite image of Google Earth: Su-25, L-39 and MiG-25 airplanes at Chirac airbase


At present, the integrity of the air borders of the republic is ensured by Russian MiG-29 fighters located at the Erebuni airbase near Yerevan. According to foreign sources, the 3624 air base has 18 single and combat training MiG-29.


Satellite image of Google Earth: Russian MiG-29 at Erebuni airbase


Judging by satellite imagery, the grouping of MiG-29 fighters, stationed in Armenia at the end of 1998, has been replenished several times to maintain a constant number, having exhausted their resources due to the decommissioning of vehicles.



Since the number of serviceable MiG-29 in the Russian Aerospace Forces is rapidly declining, it can be expected that in the near future heavy Su-27CM or Su-30CM fighters will appear in Armenia, more suitable for use as interceptors.



In accordance with the Treaty on the Legal Status of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation located on the territory of Armenia dated 21 August 1992, and the Treaty on the Russian military base on the territory of the Republic of Armenia dated 16 March 1995, the 102-I Russian military base was created in the vicinity of the city of Gyumri. The base operation agreement was originally concluded for a period of 25 years, and in 2010 was extended for another 49 years (until 2044), while rent is not charged from Russia. I must say that in the current situation, Armenia is vitally interested in finding the Russian contingent on its territory. From the statement made by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, it follows that aggression against Armenia will be considered as an external threat to Russia.

The basis of the base was the 127-i motorized rifle division of the Transcaucasian Military District. The number of Russian military personnel at the base is within 4000 people. In 2006, the headquarters of the Group of Russian Forces in the Transcaucasus (GRVZ), as well as some of the personnel and weapons previously deployed in Georgia, were transferred here from the territory of Georgia. As of 2006, the most long-range air defense system of the Russian troops in the Transcaucasus was the Krug-М1 air defense system. But now this outdated complex has been replaced by a C-300В tracked chassis. Two batteries from the 988 th anti-aircraft missile regiment provide constant air and missile defense base in Gyumri.


Position of ZRS-300В in the vicinity of Gyumri


The choice of the C-300B is due to the desire to protect the Russian base from possible missile attacks of operational tactical missiles. Compared to C-300P, this system has great anti-missile capabilities. At the same time, the firing performance of the C-300В air defense missile system and the replenishment time of the ammunition are worse than those of the C-300П modifications, which are mainly designed to combat aerodynamic targets.

The reference data for 2015 states that, in addition to long-range air defense systems, direct protection of Russian motorized rifle and tank subunits from air strikes are provided by an anti-aircraft missile-artillery battalion, which includes 6 Strela-10 air defense systems and 6 ZSU-23-4 Shilka air defense systems. In October 2016, during Vladimir Putin's visit to Armenia, the President visited the 102nd Russian military base. At the same time, in addition to the S-300V long-range system and the Strela-10 short-range air defense system, the newest Buk-M2 medium-range air defense system was demonstrated.



In December 2015, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and his Armenian counterpart Seyran Ohanyan signed an agreement on the formation of a “United Air Defense System” in the Caucasus. Under this agreement, it is envisaged that the Russian and Armenian air defense and airspace control facilities will operate under unified leadership and exchange information in real time. As part of an agreement on the creation of a unified regional air defense system in the Caucasus region of the CSTO, Russia has pledged to supply modern means of communication and automated control systems. The free transfer of additional anti-aircraft systems is also envisaged, which should strengthen the air defense system of Armenia.

However, considering the balance of forces in the region, it is worth noting that Azerbaijan and Turkey, with whom relations with Armenia are far from friendly, have multiple military superiority and this imbalance cannot even correct the Russian military presence in the republic. If Azerbaijan in the current conditions is unlikely to decide on a military escalation, anything can be expected from the unpredictable Turkish leadership.

In the coming 5-7 years, in order to preserve the current combat potential of Armenia’s air defense, it will be necessary to replace the C-300PT / PS air defense systems and outdated radars, which are already on the verge of developing an operational resource. Given the fact that the financial situation of the republic does not allow for large-scale purchases of modern weapons, it must be assumed that this burden will be passed on to the Russian taxpayer.

At the same time, among the different strata of the population of Armenia since the middle of the 90-x there is a heated debate about the need for a foreign military contingent to stay in the country. Oppositional Armenian politicians voiced the opinion that it would be better to seek security guarantees from NATO. However, it should be understood that for the United States, relations with Turkey, which is a regional military superpower, are much more important. Refusal to provide the territory of Armenia for the deployment of the Russian military base, of course, will be a nuisance for Russia, but for Armenia this may turn into a national catastrophe. The Russian military, of course, will not intervene in the conflict on the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, but there is no doubt that they will fight on the side of Yerevan in the event of an attack by Azerbaijan or Turkey on Armenia itself. At present, the deployment of the Russian military contingent in Armenia is a stabilizing factor in the region. Moscow provides Yerevan with an “anti-aircraft umbrella”, from which it has no reason to refuse. Russia is not going to encroach on the sovereignty of the Republic of Armenia, no one questions its independence, but ensuring its own security based on internal forces is inextricably linked with the need to expand and deepen the military alliance with Russia.

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  1. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 16 February 2018 06: 53
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    Ay yay yay, things are bad, urgently send air defense equipment to Armenia, the last gift of 1994-1995 has almost exhausted its resource by almost a billion.
    Not Armenians, well, great gentlemen have been turning around like this for hundreds of years. They served in the Ottoman army, then they saw the Russians go, but let’s help them. in the Caucasus. Under the pretext of communism, and in insult, the Turks decided to pay the Caucasus Turks. Well, according to the classics, Aratata is dumb. Let's get Armenia closer to the Caspian (we even put our eyes on the lands of the Tat, Lezgin, and the Jews). that even the communists began to write antics of Armenians and atrocities in their documents, they reduced their dust. Calmed down during the soviets, the Az-ts invited singers to Yerevan and the Armenians sang and danced, then the end of the 80s.
    The collapse of the Soviets remembered about Karabakh how it turned out unfairly for the Azevtsev, provocations and bang returned it to themselves, at the same time, of course, could not restrain ourselves and chopped off not only Karabakh. We also got a good swag from the Russians, we guys are your base, you’ve protected us. from the Turks, and recently, a total of 200 million received a loan, sometimes flirting with Europe for the sake of decency so that the diaspora does not lose its significance there.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 16 February 2018 09: 11
      +9
      On the topic that you raised in the VIZH during the Glasnost period, a report of the tsarist secret police on the activities of the Dashnaks in the Republic of Ingushetia, their ideology, politics, methods was published. Their main message is to stick to an empire, it doesn’t matter which one, but it’s better to use it to use all its benefits and resources for its maximum development and at a convenient historical moment to gain independence with all the “nishtyaks.” It all happened in reality, but there were only “bad guys” around and again you had to lie under someone to survive. The choice was not great, but interestingly wednesday and Armenian
      "establishment" it turns out there are those who are oriented toward Russia as an awl in the pope!
    2. Des10
      Des10 16 February 2018 12: 48
      +4
      thanks for the rap)
    3. garnik
      garnik 17 February 2018 01: 54
      +3
      There was a right to the smoking, which I remembered on the VO website on the proverb about the people of Dagestan. I can’t understand you. “A PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE A NATIONAL SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS - THERE IS A MANUS ON WHICH OTHER PEOPLES GROW” Petr Stolypin.
      Read the pseudo-story distributed by you for less. And do not squeeze the Turk out of yourself than the Turk himself.
      1. mariusdeayeraleone
        mariusdeayeraleone 18 February 2018 22: 09
        +1
        The clinic misses you. If you can collect all of you, then you can shoot a film like, the dawn of Armenians)))
    4. Professor
      Professor 20 February 2018 11: 11
      +9
      Quote: Lek38
      .Well snag came out a little bit ordered Armenians

      If you call the genocide of more than a million citizens, do not be surprised that this can be done with you. negative
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 20 February 2018 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        If you call the genocide of more than a million citizens, do not be surprised that this can be done with you.

        Already tried at about the same time, here is the result of a recently found mass grave
      2. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 20 February 2018 14: 03
        +1
        By the way, Razmik didn’t answer, who allegedly worried about Lezgins. And he recently said what happens on Lezghian sites, but do you know what the Armenians are doing there? They are setting us up against the Azsevs. I also sat in a couple, an easy way to merge these “helpers” of our people to remind about the Dashnak genocide in the north. By the way, a burial was found in Guba and then 200 Jews died and about 5000 left their homes, no one knows for sure. Armenians didn’t really touch the Jews, but other Lezgin Persians (Tats) were cut .They were not particularly Muslim mean kill. The whole then Az-en passed not only the territory of the Az-tsev but also the land of the Talysh south, Lezgin Tat Tat north. Three Georgians led three Georgians, the soldiers consisted exclusively of Christians, mainly Armenians, wiped out dozens of villages.
        And they stopped the international militia from all the peoples of the Persians, Lezgins, Azsevs, after Digyakh in which the Lezgins live the news came to Kusarov. An ambush was organized in the gorge near Khuchbal against people who were well-armed. This victory cost a lot to the Lezgi people, but 5000 Armenian Dashnaks won there and the other half escaped and didn’t climb anymore. I’ve heard a story from the elders who have seen those events. And now some like Razmik go to our sites and rub their “identity” and in fact play dirty I’m playing a game. They want to defeat their enemy with their hands, by the deaths of strangers. The pawns themselves have always been pawns and they want to turn my people into a pawn. They call this bloody gorge a place among the people, thousands of tens of thousands were killed, but they didn’t let them into Kusary to my homeland.
        1. aws4
          aws4 20 February 2018 19: 53
          0
          oh how cleverly you rewrite history once again .. civil war events give out as genocide of Muslims ... bravo !!!!!!! by the way, among them were Azerbaijanis, but apparently you quickly christened them Christians)))))))))))))))))))))
          1. Lekxnumx
            Lekxnumx 20 February 2018 21: 06
            +1
            Quote: aws4
            oh how cleverly you rewrite history once again .. civil war events give out as genocide of Muslims ... bravo !!!!!!! by the way, among them were Azerbaijanis, but apparently you quickly christened them Christians)))))))))))))))))))))

            For several months, the investigation team of A.F. Novatsky interviewed dozens of witnesses, examined the places where the events took place, and collected documents that amounted to 3 volumes on 451 sheets. Based on the materials of the investigation, AF Novatsky prepared the "Report on the rout of the city of Guba and the villages of the Gubinsky district and the violence committed against the inhabitants of the said city and villages."
            You’ll tell me here, the name of the report speaks for itself. I don’t need all this from one of those regions. And I heard eyewitnesses, but you should read it.
            The Bolsheviks themselves were shocked by what the Dashnaks did, and later many admitted that the Dashnaks did not carry the idea; they simply avenged the Muslims under this pretext. So leave Lala to yourself.
            1. aws4
              aws4 21 February 2018 00: 26
              +1
              La la is how one bloody episode of the establishment of Soviet power in the Transcaucasus, you expose Azerbaijanis as a genocide of Muslims .. yes, I’ll tell you obviously no one else ... and by the way you said that the name of the report speaks for itself so ???? and what does the title of this report tell you ???? don’t make people laugh, the fact that the national factor played a role is it’s kind of like a bit went by as your brothers and a half million Christians slaughtered in Turkey .... but to call genocide the events where most of the population of Guba remained alive and as it turns out among the dead there were Jews and the Armenians by the genocide of Muslims is simply not fair ... yes, most of the victims were Muslims but they lived there mainly and they negotiated with the Bolsheviks ... it’s the essence that the next super academics of the former republics are very smartly ju for yourself and the interests of the current government both in you and in Armenia and in Ukraine .. the terrible famine that swept many regions of the country, the same Ukrainian historians, academics (like your Azerbaijan) gave out as genocide of the Ukrainian people ... well, you do not believe in it..
      3. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 20 February 2018 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Quote: Lek38
        .Well snag came out a little bit ordered Armenians

        If you call the genocide of more than a million citizens, do not be surprised that this can be done with you. negative

        I agree not beautifully, because peaceful innocent people died. It was not necessary to write it but not fix it anymore. But they did a lot of things, just Az-en does not have a diaspora to inform the world about this topic as Armenians.
  2. Lekxnumx
    Lekxnumx 16 February 2018 07: 03
    +3
    And on the subject of reading a couple of nuances, the article is interesting from an informational point of view.
    1. Bongo
      16 February 2018 07: 41
      +5
      Quote: Lek38
      And on the subject of reading a couple of nuances, the article is interesting from an informational point of view.

      Excuse me, what do you mean by "nuances"?
  3. Amurets
    Amurets 16 February 2018 08: 12
    +6
    However, considering the balance of forces in the region, it is worth noting that Azerbaijan and Turkey, with whom relations with Armenia are far from friendly, have multiple military superiority and this imbalance cannot even correct the Russian military presence in the republic. If Azerbaijan in the current conditions is unlikely to decide on a military escalation, anything can be expected from the unpredictable Turkish leadership.
    And therefore, it is necessary to sell our armament to Turkey and Azerbaijan more widely, so that with our lard, we should be in the musalam.
    1. Bongo
      16 February 2018 08: 38
      10
      Quote: Amurets
      And therefore, it is necessary to sell our armament to Turkey and Azerbaijan more widely, so that with our lard, we should be in the musalam.

      Hi, Nikolay!
      Okay, Azerbaijan, I personally do not believe that Baku will want to fight with Russia. But to supply modern weapons to Turkey is great nonsense! fool
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 16 February 2018 08: 44
        +3
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: Amurets
        And therefore, it is necessary to sell our armament to Turkey and Azerbaijan more widely, so that with our lard, we should be in the musalam.

        Hi, Nikolay!
        Okay, Azerbaijan, I personally do not believe that Baku will want to fight with Russia. But to supply modern weapons to Turkey is great nonsense! fool

        Hey. Sergei. I don’t know what to fight, but the fact that some of the secrets of technology may not go where it’s necessary, I do not doubt.
        1. Bongo
          16 February 2018 08: 49
          +4
          Quote: Amurets
          Hey. Sergei. I don’t know what to fight, but the fact that some of the secrets of technology may not go where it’s necessary, I do not doubt.

          Well, apparently it’s not enough for our "great-willed" leaders that the Americans and Israelis trained on the C-300 set in Greece.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 16 February 2018 12: 13
            +7
            Sergey, on my own behalf - thanks for the next article. I see that "saddle your favorite topic" and begin to "dig." Good cycles come out. I bow! hi
            1. Bongo
              16 February 2018 12: 19
              +5
              Quote: Mikado
              Sergey, on my own behalf - thanks for the next article. I see that "saddle your favorite topic" and begin to "dig." Good cycles come out. I bow!

              Thank you!
              But apparently, not without flaws. Since I do not have access to the archives of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia, I am forced to use publicly available open sources. And they, even such respected ones as The Military Balance, are not always reliable. However, I had previously been convinced that the information published by our videoconferencing system was greatly overstated. Of course, I should have been more critical of the published number of Osa air defense systems in Armenia.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 16 February 2018 12: 55
                +4
                But apparently, not without flaws.

                there are no perfect articles. yes And this is always an invaluable EXPERIENCE, which the Author will take into account in the following works. That's all! drinks
                1. Bongo
                  16 February 2018 13: 00
                  +4
                  Quote: Mikado
                  And this is always an invaluable EXPERIENCE, which the Author will take into account in the following works. That's all!

                  Required! drinks
  4. ares1988
    ares1988 16 February 2018 08: 37
    +4
    Great article. As for the content, that for the supply of material.
  5. Firework
    Firework 16 February 2018 08: 47
    +4
    Turks and Azerbajans could together defeat the army of Armenia, but the huge Russian bear in the north does not allow them to do this, which has more tanks than their soldiers
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 16 February 2018 17: 30
      +8
      Today's Azerbaijan could smash Armenia without Turkey.
      1. mgero
        mgero 16 February 2018 20: 47
        +2
        Pochemu tagda ne nachinajet? Kishka tonka?
        1. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 16 February 2018 22: 15
          +5
          Your logic is bombing)
          It is obvious and understandable why Azerbaijan is not starting. Only in Armenia there are illusions that they are terrifying what fear they are gaining on Baku ...
      2. garnik
        garnik 17 February 2018 01: 39
        +2
        Today's Azerbaijan could smash Armenia without Turkey.

        T.N. Azerbaijan, even if it increases the volume of arms purchases, will not climb without Turks. You compare the armaments of the two countries from the beginning of the conflict, it was far from in favor of the Armenians. Only in the Agdam military depot was the volume of 11 thousand wagons of ammunition. Yes, and in all armaments there was a great imbalance. The only thing is clear that the upcoming war will absorb more people by an order of magnitude. But it must be mandatory, it is necessary to liberate the peoples subjugated by the cigarettes.
        But what if he smashes it, will you feel calmer? Then Russia will have to cede Siberia, where the nomads are tearing, returning to the homeland of their ancestors.
        1. mariusdeayeraleone
          mariusdeayeraleone 17 February 2018 16: 16
          +3
          Garnik, we’ll bend you in a month. And we are afraid of the Russian Navy in the Caspian, it will not shoot from us. So you are the target for us.
          1. garnik
            garnik 17 February 2018 17: 16
            +2
            So Ar.tsah is not included in any community. And Russia made it clear that Ar.tsakh was indifferent to it. Or are you going to fight with Armenia?
            Yes, all the same, Armenian-phobia is bearing fruit. I know that you have hope for the fired militants who are fighting in Syria. Remember, a mercenary will not go even for big money, for certain death. (Exception is a suicide bomber) They are good when they are several times more opponent. In the last war this lesson was already held.
            1. Homeland
              Homeland 18 February 2018 10: 27
              +2
              garnik, firstly, we are not zakurki- we are AZERBAIJANI and we are proud of it. Secondly, it’s not for you to teach us how to fight. We showed you this in April 2016. Thirdly, the so-called it is not AZERBAIJAN, but Armenia.
              1. garnik
                garnik 18 February 2018 13: 32
                +1
                Homeland, you have not yet developed as a nation, therefore one is proud that he is a Turk, and you consider yourself an Azerbaijani, on the VO website. Interestingly, is Azerbaijanis an ethnic group or the common name of the peoples living in the territory of Aran and Shirvan?
                April proved that you are honestly not capable of fighting. Unfortunately, the war was stopped after the Armenians began to return the previously lost lands already in a fair battle, but after all they reached Talish.
                As for the so-called Azerbaijan and Armenia, for you there is an independent source of knowledge, the Internet. Throw your history of internal use.
                1. Homeland
                  Homeland 18 February 2018 16: 07
                  +2
                  garnik, I don’t know who you are (disguised as the flag of Russia, but in the avatar set the flag of Georgia. Apparently you want to claim the Russian and Georgian lands ...), but the AZERBAIJAN and the Azerbaijani Turks are one and the same. No need to pretend to dunno. In April 2016, Armenian troops showed their inability to fight with only 2-3 units of the Azerbaijani army and in order to avoid the complete destruction of their army, they asked their ally Russia to put pressure on Azerbaijan to cease hostilities. Similarly, in 1994, when after the counterattack of the Azerbaijani army and the liberation of half of the Fizuli region, you asked for a ceasefire. Forgot???
                  1. garnik
                    garnik 18 February 2018 18: 46
                    +3
                    My motherland, I’ve been an Armenian and have written about this more than once, but the flag of the Kingdom of Cilicia. The Armenians only claim their lands conquered by Persia, and later Russia. And since these two great countries left these territories, they must return to the autochthons.
                    So your claim that the Azerbaijanis are the peoples living in the so-called. Azerbaijan, Turks, Talysh, Lezgins, Avars, Udins, etc.
                    In April 2016, the Armenians overslept a massive assault on positions. There is a video where more than 100 people are gathering on your side against the Armenian post. The commander causes artillery fire at the enemy’s cluster, but they are not believed, they did not want provocation. From your "jasper" left 30% of the composition. How many died, you will be told by the chief of staff of your army, more than 500 Askyars, not counting the cargo 200 transported by two sides to Turkey.
                    Once again you reached the village of Talish, but after the counterattack, yours lost most of the captured positions. And if you had not stopped the war it is not yet known how this adventure would end. If there is any doubt who stopped the war and why, then about the 1994 war, if you cannot or don’t want to look for evidence of Aliyev’s request to stop the war, I can help.
                    But this was a huge mistake on the part of the Armenians that did not force you to sign the surrender.
                    You recaptured the Horadiz station using the territory of Iran and entered the rear of the Armenians, and the city remained behind the Artsakh. Your soldiers remember a lot of things, but the flight across the Araks River to Iran, and how the Iranians did with them, will not tell you. The Armenians fought in the northern direction, the less combat units from the Armenian volunteers participated in the battle, which confirms your instability in the defense. sluggishly, then the ar.tahtsevs were thrown, who were successfully advancing, and the war was stopped at the request of the great Aliyev, who had surrendered 7 districts.
                    1. Gorbatiy
                      Gorbatiy 18 February 2018 20: 38
                      0
                      Only hai can come up with such nonsense.
                      1. mariusdeayeraleone
                        mariusdeayeraleone 18 February 2018 22: 11
                        +2
                        The clinic misses them. You can shoot a zombie film like the dawn of the Armenians)))
            2. mariusdeayeraleone
              mariusdeayeraleone 18 February 2018 22: 14
              +2
              In the last war you participated a little. The fact that you were presented with Karabakh or South Russia does not mean that you have achieved the goal. We do not need propaganda here.
              1. garnik
                garnik 18 February 2018 23: 03
                +3
                I recall that it was in Mardakert (Martakert): it was captured with the help of Russian troops and the Azerbaijani army during the summer battles of 1992. They say that it was the role of Shamanov that occupied the most important place in this battle. At least after Shamanov returned to Russia, the Armenians took the city back (June 27, 1993), using attacks on Azerbaijani positions from several sides.



                In addition to Martakert, Shamanov, who led his detachment (the 28th Ganja field!), Hit in the middle of 92 at the district center of Shaumyanovsk, controlled by the NKR army, or rather participated in the unblocking of a number of villages of the Shaumyanovsk district for Azerbaijanis and entrenched in Gulistan.
                http://karabakhwar.livejournal.com/4075.html
                I'm trying to open your eyes .. Take care of what the Bolsheviks created for the entire Muslim population the so-called Azerbaijan and which the Turks privatized.
                They gave you Karabakh in the 20s, and the Armenians returned 94 g.
                And what does the south of Russia have to do with it, and yours have plenty here.
        2. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 18 February 2018 17: 40
          +3
          O Gods, are you writing to me from some parallel universe? Objectively, the Azerbaijani army today is much more equipped, and even more so, it has much greater potential from the point of view of the economy. Does the Ministry of Defense of Armenia have economic opportunities to buy 100 brand new T-90s from Russia? You have only one new tank and Russia has given you one. If Russia had not sold you practical weapons for free (by the way, Azerbaijan buys equipment at market prices, unlike Armenia), then the phrase “Armenian Army” would have caused a quiet laugh.
          In fact: the army of Azerbaijan has an overwhelming (!) Advantage in tanks.
          The advantage in armored vehicles is also on the side of Azerbaijan.
          Azerbaijan has an advantage in the MLRS.
          Azerbaijan has an advantage over Armenia in the Air Force and Air Defense.
          Only in artillery do countries have relative parity.
          Human and economic resources are also not in favor of Armenia.
          Therefore, Russia provides you with buns in the form of "Iskanders" to maintain peace and quiet. And you can continue to feed yourself with the illusions of how great and invincible you are.

          But it must be mandatory, it is necessary to liberate the peoples subjugated by the cigarettes.

          Then I expect you to be among the first to run "Liberate" ... No? Is it more convenient to fight on the couch? That's the same.

          But what if he smashes it, will you feel calmer? Then Russia will have to cede Siberia, where the nomads are tearing, returning to the homeland of their ancestors.


          Personally, it will not be easier for me because I perfectly understand all your and Azerbaijani greatness. Without Russia, both you and Azerbaijan would have been appendages to some countries.

          I won’t even ask where is the connection between Karabakh and Siberia ... because I’m afraid to get into a dark and dense pseudo-historical forest.
  6. andrewkor
    andrewkor 16 February 2018 08: 55
    +4
    Well, "vrazhin", revealed the entire group of air defense of Armenia. How now to defend against enemies?
    It was interesting to get acquainted with Armenian Christianity in Wiki. There is no unity both in Orthodoxy and in Islam.Moreover, Armenian monophysism, rejecting the Trinity and recognizing God as a single entity, is much more understandable than the blurry interpretation of the Trinity by Orthodoxy. This implies that the Yarmians are heretics.
    1. Bongo
      16 February 2018 08: 58
      +4
      Quote: andrewkor
      Well, "vrazhin", revealed the entire group of air defense of Armenia. How now to defend against enemies?

      Oh well, but the "enemies" of all this did not know? lol
    2. Des10
      Des10 16 February 2018 12: 52
      +5
      Quote: andrewkor
      This leads to the conclusion that the Yarmyans are heretics.

      how who looks, and on another - they were the first Christians here.
      1. Bongo
        16 February 2018 12: 57
        +3
        Quote: Des10
        how who looks, and on another - they were the first Christians here.

        In general, it’s very sad when someone is declared “heretics”, or they begin to share according to religion, skin color or eye shape. People of any nationality, until they force their views on others or try to take away other people's resources, are worthy of respect. hi
      2. Homeland
        Homeland 16 February 2018 19: 21
        +3
        Actually, the Armenians are the last Christians in Transcaucasia. Before their resettlement in the Caucasus, there were already Christians: Caucasian Albanians, Christians of Georgia and the Molokans.
        1. mgero
          mgero 16 February 2018 20: 50
          -1
          Posle Krestjan Azerov da Armyani. A tak samie nastayayshie krestyani eto prikaspuskie turki vo glave Mehriba Alievoy.
  7. sivuch
    sivuch 16 February 2018 09: 23
    +3
    Sergey, we need data on losses 91-94 year?
    On Os and Circle I have something.
    1. Bongo
      16 February 2018 09: 56
      +3
      Quote: sivuch
      Sergey, we need data on losses 91-94 year?
      On Os and Circle I have something.

      Throw off please. Hurry up with the article, I had to consult with you! Do you have any comments on the text?
      1. Professoram
        Professoram 16 February 2018 10: 10
        0
        The material is insufficiently developed, largely inaccurate, the S-300pt around Yerevan is not 4 and 3, the SAM missiles for the S-125 launchers are more than enough, just some types of missiles for this complex are heavier and they are charged 2 and not 4 on the launchers. The Cube air defense system was transferred to Armenia from 102 bases not in the 90s but in the early 2010s, Buk-i in the modification of m 1-2 and not m2, etc.
        1. Bongo
          16 February 2018 10: 28
          +2
          Quote: Professoram
          The material is insufficiently developed, largely inaccurate, C-300pt around Yerevan is not 4 but 3

          C-300PT are located in the area of ​​settlements: Baghramyan, Hovtashat, Buravan and Dzoraghbyur. At least this is stated in Western sources.
          Quote: Professoram
          C-125 missiles are more than enough, just some types of missiles to this complex are heavier and they are charged on the PU by 2 and not 4.

          I do not argue, the last modification of the missiles is heavier than the early ones, but in this case, instead of 4, on the PU, the 3 missiles were charged. And in the pictures you can see that the launch on the 2 rocket, so that about the "enough", let me doubt.
          Quote: Professoram
          ZRK Cube was transferred to Armenia from 102 base not in 90

          And in Azarah in 90 also appeared from the 102 base, which was not there at that time?
          Quote: Professoram
          Beech-and in the modification of m 1-2 and not m2

          Possible. yes But in a number of sources, for example here:Armenia received Iskander-E missile systems, Infauna EW systems and Buk-М2 air defense system , it is said that it is "Buk-M2". hi
          1. Professoram
            Professoram 16 February 2018 10: 38
            +1
            What does a number of sources have to do with Google maps, photos and video materials from both the parade and the base. Cubes in the NKR appeared precisely from the base, after Buk was brought to the 102nd, according to the “heavy” missiles, the RA Ministry of Defense reported to 125-heels that there was nothing to say, and besides, it’s absurd to assume that in 20 years we managed to buy so many different SAMs, including The S-300 with about two hundred missiles to them, and they did not manage to buy 8-10 old missiles to the S-125 from the warehouses
            1. Bongo
              16 February 2018 10: 45
              +2
              Quote: Professoram
              Cubes in NKR appeared exactly from the base, after Beech was delivered to 102.

              It is possible that they were later delivered there. But in what year was the 102 base established, and when did the first "Cubes" appear in Armenia?
              Quote: Professoram
              on “heavy” missiles to 125-heels were reported in the transfer of the RA Ministry of Defense Zinuzh, and besides this it is absurd to assume that over the years 20 managed to buy so many different SAMs, including C-300 with about two hundred missiles to them, and the 8-10 of the old C-125 missiles from the warehouses failed to purchase

              How do you mess your thoughts express ... request
              Let's figure it out in order. Do you know how much time has passed since the cessation of mass production of missiles for C-125? You want to say that on all the rockets available in Armenia, electrolytes in the guidance equipment and injected fuel charges are replaced? If this is so, then I am very happy for Armenia, but I have not met such data. As for the purchase of C-300P and missiles for them, you are very hot. Air defense systems and missiles actually presented, with missiles, like the systems themselves, also not very new.
              1. Professoram
                Professoram 16 February 2018 11: 02
                +1
                In this case, it didn’t matter whether they donated three hundred or sold, (according to my information a lot of money was paid for the S-300ps) I gave an example if they give them newer and hundreds, all the more I would give a couple dozen old and not so needed. I did not intend to enter into a dispute, I simply noted a number of obvious inaccuracies, and whether or not to correct them is yours
                1. Bongo
                  16 February 2018 11: 08
                  +4
                  Quote: Professoram
                  In this case, it is not important that they donated three hundred or sold it (according to my data, a lot of money was paid for C-300ps)

                  Received in the form of non-repayable loans, with some of the equipment and weapons transferred free of charge.
                  Quote: Professoram
                  I gave an example, if you give a newer and hundreds, then all the more you would give a couple of dozens of old and not so necessary.

                  The problem is that even in Russia there are no "new" missiles for the C-125. Let me remind you that when delivering to a foreign customer, the missile defense system for the Pechora-2M, the missiles were completely disassembled, the equipment and fuel were changed.
                  Quote: Professoram
                  I did not intend to enter into an argument, I simply noted a number of obvious inaccuracies, and whether or not to fix them

                  Thank you for the interesting comments, but I would be very grateful to you if you correcting me, cited reliable sources. In turn, the sources of information for this article are listed at the end of the publication. hi
      2. sivuch
        sivuch 16 February 2018 12: 16
        +4
        I gradually wink
        First of all, there is already a well-known skywor site. Personally, I mostly trust him.
        http://skywar.ru/karabakhinc.html Инциденты в Карабахе
        But this is from me, my beloved -
        According to the data of the Armenian military expert Artsrun Hovhannisyan, possibly incomplete, 3 or 4 aircraft shot down the Krug Circle:
        October 11, 1992 - Su-17 in the Stepanakert area.
        January 12, 1994 - Su-24 or Su-25 in the area of ​​Hadrut-Fizuli.
        On March 17 of 1994, the Iranian C-130 was shot down by mistake. According to A.Oganesyan, Azerbaijani dispatchers deliberately sent a transport carrier to the combat area. But, perhaps, it was shot down not by the Circle, but by C-125.
        April 23, 1994 - Mig-25RB in the Goris-Lachin-Fizuli area. A group of 7 Mig-25RB conducted a stellar raid from different heights and directions, with the top speed being 650-700m / s.
        However, according to other evidence, there was no combat use of the Circle in this war either. A former officer who served on the Circle, referring to his source in the Russian Ministry of Defense, claimed that there was the only case when the Armenian side deployed MFR and SPU, after which the flights Azerbaijani aviation in this area stopped. In principle, also a good option.
        On the other hand, they write that C-130 has flunked Wasp. In any case, there is nothing to be proud of.
        On the Wasp a little later.
        1. Bongo
          16 February 2018 12: 37
          +3
          Quote: sivuch
          According to the data of the Armenian military expert Artsrun Hovhannisyan, possibly incomplete, the ZRK Circle shot down 3 or 4 aircraft

          I read this, but did not quote, because I am not sure of the veracity. If even you don’t know about Krug, then I will remain modestly silent.
          Quote: sivuch
          On the other hand, they write that C-130 has flunked Wasp. In any case, there is nothing to be proud of.

          Of course there is nothing to be proud of, and this incident is regrettable. Moreover, the guidance operator could not help but see what the target was in front of him. As for the type of air defense systems, I would rather put on the "Circle" or C-125. For "Wasp" the height is still a bit too big.
          1. sivuch
            sivuch 17 February 2018 00: 10
            +3
            If sclerosis does not change, then the height was about 6-6.5 km. For a 9M33M2 missile, no more than 250m / s of energy is enough for the target. SSC also leads without problems. So SOTski at such heights has dips in the diagram. But with an external control center, this is not so important. So all 3 probabilities are possible - Wasp, Circle, 125
  8. Georgi
    Georgi 16 February 2018 11: 18
    +2
    Dear author!
    The article is certainly informative, but I think that it is necessary to take what you write or refer more seriously.
    Consider YOUR data on the Osa-AK air defense system.
    According to The Military Balance 2017, the army has 178 Osa-AK / AKM short-range air defense systems on a wheeled floating chassis.

    1. Do you imagine how much IT ???? In the full-fledged anti-aircraft missile regiment (SRM) of the USSR Armed Forces there were 5 batteries, 4 combat vehicles in each battery, TOTAL 20 Fighting vehicles. (ZRP was part of the motorized infantry divisions !!!!!)
    It turns out that there are 9 aspinous regiments in the armed forces of Armenia !!!!!!!!!!!! and this is not counting the S-300PT / PS, S-125, "BUK", "CIRCLE", "CUB", ARROW-10, ZSU23-4, ZU-23-2 and all MANPADS.
    Read on ...
    It is difficult to say how reliable these data are, but in terms of the number of SAM systems of the Wasp family, most likely, all complexes delivered to Armenia are meant. With a high degree of probability it can be assumed that over the 30 years since the cessation of serial production of the Osa air defense system, a significant part of the complexes has failed, and their actual number in Armenia is much smaller.

    Once set, this is when ??????
    At the time of the collapse of the USSR, there was one anti-aircraft missile regiment of the OS in the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, isn’t it clear? By the way, at that time there was quite a modern and effective complex (produced in 1975-1988).
    I won’t get any further, although a lot of things do not correspond to reality and logic.

    Yours faithfully,
    1. Bongo
      16 February 2018 11: 31
      +4
      Quote: Georgi
      Do you imagine how much IT ???? In the regular anti-aircraft missile regiment (SRM) of the USSR Armed Forces there were 5 batteries of 4 combat vehicles in each battery, TOTAL 20 Fighting vehicles. (ZRP was part of the motorized infantry divisions !!!!!)

      I imagine, on this and wrote where the data came from. In general, a list of sources is indicated at the end of the publication.
      Quote: Georgi
      Once set, this is when ??????

      Equipment and weapons have been transmitted since the beginning of the 90's, how many and to whom we will never know for sure. No.
      Quote: Georgi
      I won’t get any further, although a lot of things do not correspond to reality and logic.

      It would be interesting if you "went into" further ... I am open to constructive critics. hi
      1. Georgi
        Georgi 16 February 2018 12: 57
        +1
        I imagine, on this and wrote where the data came from. In general, a list of sources is indicated at the end of the publication. [I] [/ i]
        Then do not use the data from the "TUBE" !!

        Equipment and weapons have been transmitted since the beginning of the 90's, how many and to whom we will never know for sure.

        If there was a regiment in Armenia, then when transferring it, do you think that 9 regiments were transferred equipment ??
        And this is a country that at that time was in a land blockade?
        DON'T NEED TO FIND OUT - JUST ANALYZE.

        It would be interesting if you "went into" further ... I am open to constructive criticism
        Do you think the facts are not constructive criticism? - NOT CONSTRUCTIVE.
        1. Bongo
          16 February 2018 13: 04
          +3
          Quote: Georgi
          Then do not use the data from the "TUBE" !!

          In this case, the criticism is not yet constructive! request It would be constructive if you provided reliable sources of information. In the meantime, excuse me, only negation, without useful content. request
          Quote: Georgi
          And this is a country that at that time was in a land blockade?

          From 1994 to 2018 in blockade? wassat Did not know... sad
          Quote: Georgi
          Do you think the facts are not constructive criticism?

          Sorry, but so far only emotions ... where are the facts? It would be nice if you provided authentic data on the numerical composition of the air defense of the Northern Army of Armenia and the supply of air defense equipment to the republic. I found only The Military Balance data. Thank you in advance. hi
          1. Georgi
            Georgi 16 February 2018 16: 33
            +1
            You bring the data specified Wikipedia -The Armed Forces of Armenia - The Military Balance 2016.
            According to them, the composition of the air defense forces of ARMENIA includes:
            1 Anti-aircraft missile brigade
            2 anti-aircraft missile regiments
            Here is the "Test tube".

            And here is another calculation:
            The total number of armed forces of ARMENIA and ARTSAKH is about 60000 - WIKIPEDIA source.
            NOW WE READ YOUR DATA:
            - The personnel of 9 ZRP "OSA" is about 5000 people. Let’s add about 5000 to all the other antitank and air defense systems we’ll get about 10000 — only in the air defense forces !!!!! 17% of the army.
            So do you imagine that?

            At the expense of sources, I think more reliable data are given on the site:
            https://vpk-news.ru/articles/29587
            1. Bongo
              16 February 2018 16: 57
              +2
              Quote: Georgi
              You bring the data specified Wikipedia -The Armed Forces of Armenia - The Military Balance 2016.

              I bring the data specified in The Military Balance, please do not twitch, if you want, of course, to be taken seriously from you further.
              Quote: Georgi
              The personnel of 9 ZRP "OSA" is about 5000 people.

              stop Where do I write that 9 SRP? if you quote, please quote verbatim!
              Quote: Georgi
              https://vpk-news.ru/articles/29587

              Well, I would not call Khramchikhin a great expert, not so long ago he wrote that 40 divisions S-75 and C-125 were deployed in Cuba. wassat
              But I appreciate your perseverance! good Although you, it seems to me too emotional.
              Here is what Khramchikhin writes:
              In military air defense there is from 6 to 9 SAM "Osa"

              Yes, they were shown more at the parade. So who to believe, you or Khramchikhin?
              1. Georgi
                Georgi 16 February 2018 18: 08
                0
                1. On Wikipedia, the link to The Military Balance, see carefully.
                Wasp [1] The Military Balance 2016, p.178
                2. From your article:
                According to The Military Balance 2017, the army has 178 Osa-AK / AKM short-range air defense systems on a wheeled floating chassis, which are 9 regiments. Total released about 1200)))
                3. Khramchikhin, Zyablikov, Bagdasarov, what's the difference? the main thing is to be close to the truth.
                Emotionality?
                4. From an article by Khramchikhin:
                - In military air defense, there are from 6 to 9 Osa air defense systems — this is the RA Armed Forces + no less than 6 Osa air defense systems — this is Karabakh.
                It turns out at least 15 units. I think there are about 20 of them.
                Maybe you made a mistake in quantity? 17 ??
                Parade 2016 Yerevan-4 pcs.
                Parade 2016 Stepanakert - 6 pcs.

                Respectfully and seriously.
                1. Bongo
                  17 February 2018 03: 44
                  +2
                  Quote: Georgi
                  On Wikipedia, the link to The Military Balance, see carefully.

                  And here is Wikipedia? There, in some articles, there are links to me, and what does this mean? This is Wikipedia's business to refer to. What does this have to do with this publication?
                  Quote: Georgi
                  According to The Military Balance 2017,

                  Ask this question The Military Balance.
                  Quote: Georgi
                  Khramchikhin, Zyablikov, Bagdasarov, what's the difference?

                  There is a difference, because in his publications Khramchikhin in the past cited frankly inaccurate information. For me personally, this source deserves less trust than The Military Balance, SIPRI or Global security. Although of course they are not perfect. No.
                  Quote: Georgi
                  There are at least 15 units.

                  In any case, more than the amount indicated by Khramchikhin.
                  Quote: Georgi
                  There are at least 15 units. I think there are about 20

                  Attention! yes And perhaps, taking into account those that are "in storage" twice as much.
                  Quote: Georgi
                  Respectfully and seriously.

                  Have a nice one you too! hi
        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 16 February 2018 13: 35
          +5
          Quote: Georgi
          Then do not use the data from the "TUBE" !!

          Somehow you are very excited. In general, judging by your comment, you are quite familiar with the topic. But then probably it would be fair if you shared your information. It may well be that the author has not sufficiently analyzed the information in the sources, which he by the way does not deny. But if you refute it, then provide your data.
  9. Des10
    Des10 16 February 2018 13: 00
    +2
    ATP for the article, interesting and - makes you think.
    For me - both those and others would be better off figuring out with Russia about shared well-being. Or - time. Shit, that it would be clear.
  10. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 16 February 2018 21: 41
    +5
    Being one of the first Christian countries, Armenia borders on Turkey from the west, Azerbaijan on the east, and Iran on the south

    Killed ... it turns out the first Christian country appeared 100 years ago ... what
    1. aws4
      aws4 17 February 2018 00: 37
      +5
      yeah ... well, do not distort, please, at that time Armenia was in several other borders and even more ... gentlemen, Azerbaijanis know how you would not rewrite history for yourself (you did it much better than any other republic of the union) will change the fact that the Armenians are a much more ancient nation than you ... well, stop spraying poison better; think about how to establish relations with your neighbors .. don’t drive horses, time will pass and hatred will go away if you and the Armenians do something for this , but at the moment I see only that you only grow it and save it .. you understand that you can’t hate a person just because he was born in an Azerbaijani or Armenian family, well, he’s not to blame for this ... And I’ll say that with all due respect, you’re more vindictive than Armenians ..
      1. mariusdeayeraleone
        mariusdeayeraleone 17 February 2018 16: 29
        +3
        Dear, you don’t know much. I understood this from the text I read. Azars have never rewritten history, you wrote about it so easily. Here's about the borders of Armenia, this is so funny ... where were they large? By the way, you called them a nation. The nation has a hat (it's me for thought)
        There will not be peace, because the conflict is ethnic. Here, or they must evict the Azars from the Caucasus, or their Azars. Why are our vindictive? Suppose you and I. I cut your friends and gender of the family, will you be friends with me? By the way, at the expense of the antiquity of the Armenians, how to say the world yes, but they did not have a state. This is a historical fact!
        1. aws4
          aws4 18 February 2018 02: 51
          +5
          that’s all absolutely everything that you wrote or lies or fiction .. firstly you don’t know what a nation is and by what criteria this or that nation is considered a nation or not .. believe the headgear has nothing to do with it .. I laughed for a long time when it read laughing the second now, so as not to infringe on many nations, let’s say the criteria by which a nation can be attributed to a nation have softened and if we initially took the concept of a nation, it is the Azerbaijanis who would not have the right to be called a nation ... only in one case could Azerbaijanis be identified as a representative of Turks nationality ... stop reading books that your scientists (deceivers) write to you .. I understand that it’s nice but a lie no matter how pleasant it is a lie ... at the expense of borders it’s also fun .. I saw a bunch of ancient cards n but which are Azerbaijan or the territories inhabited by your people in antiquity, but at the same time when you start looking for information about where they are stored and who and when conducted an examination of their authenticity, you come across unknown and silence .. but about ancient Armenia everything is quite the opposite - there are maps and descriptions and Arab, Persian, Roman, Greek and you won’t believe Armenians are mentioned even by the Chinese and Hindus, but about you as if nothing but fakes are supposedly stored only with you ... and the third - if you cut my friends and gender I would I found you and would do exactly the same with you and not with some kind of Azerbaijani girl or student guy .. you won’t believe I wouldn’t even touch your children .. this is the difference between savagery and understanding that there are people and not people. .
          1. Bongo
            18 February 2018 03: 20
            +4
            Quote: aws4
            that’s all absolutely everything that you wrote or lies or fiction ..

            I agree that the Armenians are a very ancient people, mentioned in ancient sources. yes
            But guys, let's be men and stop the bickering. Mutual reproaches and insults can give nothing but hatred. Do we need it?
            Among my friends there are Armenians, Jews, Azerbaijanis, Georgians and even Nanais. And all normal people. I believe that a common language can always be found!
            1. aws4
              aws4 18 February 2018 04: 28
              +2
              I fully support you !!!!!!!!
          2. Homeland
            Homeland 18 February 2018 11: 01
            +2
            Anton, the concepts of Armenians and Armenia are not the same thing. No one denies that the Armenians lived in antiquity. The question is where did they live. In all the maps you mentioned (the source of which are non-Armenian authors, I hope), a country called Armenia is located on the territory of modern Turkey and Iran. In no case is it located in the territory of modern Azerbaijan and Armenia. (i.e., Transcaucasia). And Armenian pseudo-historians successfully manipulate the fact that they attribute the territory of modern Armenia and Azerbaijan to the so-called Ancient Armenia. Please take a closer look at ancient maps, preferably before the 17th century.
            1. garnik
              garnik 18 February 2018 13: 45
              +4
              Homeland, the territory of Armenia was constantly changing, as well as other countries. There is such a city in Armenia Artashat, it was built by the Armenian king Artashes, with the participation of the same Ganibal.
              The question is, who lived before the Armenians in these territories?
              1. Homeland
                Homeland 18 February 2018 18: 34
                +1
                Hannibal in the Caucasus
                1. garnik
                  garnik 18 February 2018 18: 54
                  +4
                  Yes, yes. The Romans demanded the surrender of Hanibal by the Armenians, but Artashes refused. After some time, Hanibal himself decided to retire, so as not to provoke the Romans.
            2. aws4
              aws4 18 February 2018 22: 36
              +4
              now I’m starting to hear reasonable things, not just from the previous interlocutor ... it’s very nice when they don’t just blow the phone, they just carry on a dialogue ... and yet modern Armenia put it this way, it was the outskirts of the Armenian state and the Armenians got there much later that not only Armenians but also other peoples lived there .. the question is that the currents and resettlement of peoples took place there constantly and who appeared earlier and who later can be argued endlessly ... at least the first Armenian settlements in Transcaucasia (this is by reference to a friend x foreign travelers, Armenian, we do not take into account for obvious reasons) were already about 1000 years before our era .. then let anyone decide what he wants, can the people be called indigenous if he lived in these territories, let him be with other nations for 3000 years, maybe and more ...
          3. Dry
            Dry 20 February 2018 15: 46
            +4
            Quote: aws4
            and third, if you cut my friends and gender of the family, I would find you and do the same exactly with you and not with some kind of Azerbaijani girl or student guy .. you will not believe I would not even touch your children .. this is the difference between savagery and understanding that there are people and not people ..

            I applaud while standing. Just nothing to add. hi
  11. mariusdeayeraleone
    mariusdeayeraleone 16 February 2018 22: 01
    +3
    On March 17 of 1994, the Iranian C-130 was shot down by mistake. According to A.Oganesyan, Azerbaijani dispatchers deliberately sent a transport carrier to the combat area. But, perhaps, it was shot down not by the Circle, but by C-125.

    This is a phrase, pure slander!
    Civilian aircraft are different from military aircraft. This can be seen on the on-board coding. And at low flight, military aircraft light red and only red, and civil 3 color. Intentional direction is fiction.
    1. Bongo
      17 February 2018 03: 53
      +3
      Quote: mariusdeayeraleone
      On March 17 of 1994, the Iranian C-130 was shot down by mistake. According to A.Oganesyan, Azerbaijani dispatchers deliberately sent a transport carrier to the combat area. But, perhaps, it was shot down not by the Circle, but by C-125.

      This is a phrase, pure slander!

      Those. You claim that the Iranian C-130 was deliberately shot down by Artsakh’s air defense?
      Quote: mariusdeayeraleone
      Civilian aircraft are different from military aircraft. This can be seen on the on-board coding. And at low flight, military aircraft light red and only red, and civil 3 color. Intentional direction is fiction.

      At a flight altitude of more than 5000 m and in the clouds it is not realistic to see navigation lights. This board could not be classified by the state recognition system, and they took it for escort clearly long before it entered the visual visibility zone. I do not justify the actions of the Armenian air defense forces, but after the barbaric bombing of residential areas of Stepanakert, they had every reason to consider this target to be enemy.
      1. mariusdeayeraleone
        mariusdeayeraleone 17 February 2018 16: 37
        +2
        C130 military aircraft. Hercules amers. In the military zone it is a target, without an early report from the pilots. The pilots were guilty.
      2. Gorbatiy
        Gorbatiy 18 February 2018 01: 37
        0
        Are the bombings friendly? See in Syria videoconferencing scattered cakes.
        When there is state support for the aggressor, then what kind of analysis can we talk about? Simple listing from open sources without any work on the numbers. Plagiarism in one word.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 18 February 2018 02: 01
          +2
          Quote: Gorbatiy
          Are the bombings friendly? See in Syria videoconferencing scattered cakes.

          Do you have confirmed facts that the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria used cluster munitions in residential areas? No. If you don’t know how Stepanakert was bombed, shut up in a rag.
          Quote: Gorbatiy
          When there is state support for the aggressor, then what kind of analysis can we talk about?

          : If you are talking about our money stored in a country under the flag of which you stupidly troll, then what does this have to do with the Armenian air defense? fool
          Quote: Gorbatiy
          Simple listing from open sources without any work on the numbers. Plagiarism in one word.

          stop If you are not familiar with the meaning of the word "plagiarism" - look at Wikipedia. It is created specifically for people like you. I am sure that you are unable to do the 10 part of the work that the author did in preparing this publication.
          1. Gorbatiy
            Gorbatiy 18 February 2018 08: 37
            0
            Don’t worry so much. Looks like I got on pain points. I'm not on purpose. Calm down, please.
            Well, your mafia twists you like second-graders. So what? Grandmas send us, and fairy tales tell you beautifully. Talented same. We can’t do that. But we make roads, arrange ecology for your money, thanks to the sun. Thank you, too, be patient. I respect you.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 21 February 2018 21: 14
              +7
              How sausages you. And so it will be until March 18. Do not wipe only, do not burn out. It seems like you are calmly talking, but you give out a bunch of shit with poison, in which the dungger only digs. Take a sedative, good luck in harnessing our money. Your probably not enough?
              1. Gorbatiy
                Gorbatiy 22 February 2018 08: 50
                0
                Not enough money from suckers. And hello to the boss. Got it after our slap in the face?
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 22 February 2018 16: 45
                  +6
                  What are you talking about? What kind of slap in the face? This is the type we plowed, me and the tractor? Do you earn anything at the State Department? Floor polisher or massage therapist? Then it is clear. Grind the floors better, otherwise God forbid your master will fall, then you’ll generally stay hungry. How many wretched you were born? We, we. Himself over the hill a maximum laces stroking, but still there. Just the phrase of Lavrov about you, about the floor-painter.
                  1. Gorbatiy
                    Gorbatiy 23 February 2018 04: 06
                    0
                    In the most buzz here are such nervous breakdowns. Nothing remains for you as soon as you spoil all nonsense from anger. Effective chef managers have lowered you below nowhere, and you can’t even pickle. From fear only bile produce unmeasured.
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      3. Homeland
        Homeland 18 February 2018 10: 47
        +2
        Sergey, the article is very interesting. But please indicate the official names in geographical names. For example, not “Artsakh Air Defense”, but “air defense of the so-called. NKR ".
        1. garnik
          garnik 18 February 2018 13: 49
          +4
          Homeland, and Ar.tsakh is the geographical name of the territory, which was later renamed by the invaders in Nagorno-Karabakh.
          1. Homeland
            Homeland 18 February 2018 18: 14
            +2
            garnik, in the world there is not a single document or map of non-Armenian origin, which indicates "the Armenian region of Ar.tsakh in Transcaucasia". In all non-Armenian documents this region is marked as “Karabakh”. Maybe there is some kind of “Ar.tsakh” somewhere, but not in Transcaucasia. Do not lie or confuse readers.
            1. garnik
              garnik 18 February 2018 19: 10
              +5
              Ar.tsakh is the 9th province of Great Armenia from 17. It is not a state to be printed separately from Armenia. By the 4th century, the territory was conquered by Persia, but the people did not stop their history to this day, there is a lot of evidence.
              1. Gorbatiy
                Gorbatiy 18 February 2018 20: 32
                +1
                Who told you this tale? Or did you come up with it yourself? Khai are not related to the Caucasus, especially to the current territories. They were introduced by the Russian Empire as a reference material for further use. Read at least your sources.
                1. alone
                  alone 18 February 2018 22: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: Gorbatiy
                  Who told you this tale? Or did you come up with it yourself? Khai are not related to the Caucasus, especially to the current territories. They were introduced by the Russian Empire as a reference material for further use. Read at least your sources.

                  You are lucky yet. He sometimes says such things that the mind will burst from the insolence of lies
                2. garnik
                  garnik 18 February 2018 23: 20
                  +5
                  Yes, you are not one of those people who like to read a story.
                  You can’t be corrected, but you are of course ethnically Caucasians lol
                  What does Caucasians have to do with it or not, read world history.
                  The fact that you were not Turks in Baku during the assault of the Russians is a fact. The city was protected by the Tat, whose city it is.
                  1. Gorbatiy
                    Gorbatiy 19 February 2018 00: 02
                    0
                    Well, of course, the type that uses the flag of Georgia as an avatar and comes up with some kind of phantasmagoria about the Hai essence will teach us the history of the world !!! Where are these patients fed for free?
                    We will deal with your hosts soon and you will cease to be a problem for the Caucasus and Anatolia.
                3. garnik
                  garnik 18 February 2018 23: 53
                  +5
                  Open a physical map and look at what highlands present Armenia is located. That's right, in Armenian. South of the Caucasus Mountains, Georgians and Lezgins with Avars can be called Caucasians.
                4. Yurian33
                  Yurian33 30 December 2018 18: 53
                  0
                  Oh yes, because in your hai and the Armenians are different nations. It is good that the insidious hai were exposed, soon the matter will come to the Kartvels and Hellenes)
              2. Homeland
                Homeland 18 February 2018 22: 54
                +2
                garnik, you better get out of the virtual world great Armenia ”(which was invented by Armenian pseudo-historians) and enter the real world, in which there is only the Republic of Armenia located on the originally Azerbaijani and partially Georgian lands. I hope this helps you understand reality and learn the truth.
                1. garnik
                  garnik 19 February 2018 02: 08
                  +5
                  Homeland. I will answer you as more adequate. Nobody dreams of Greater Armenia, you are exaggerating these passions.
                  How Armenians can live on Azerbaijani lands, if it was formed in 20 years, And the real Azerbaijan is in Iran. Do you even know this? I'm worried about which of you makes the system. When you master this information, then continue.
                  Generally kindergarten.
                  1. Homeland
                    Homeland 19 February 2018 11: 15
                    +1
                    garnik, we are also interested in the question of how can and on what right do Armenians live on Azerbaijani lands? South Azerbaijan is located in Iran and territories from which “They relocated 40000 Armenians from Persia to Russian borders under the personal order of Colonel L. E. Lazarev in 1828” (painting by V. Moshkov, Russian battle painter). I hope you understand who, where and from whose territory he moved.
                    1. garnik
                      garnik 19 February 2018 11: 40
                      +5
                      I don’t know if it’s worth it to talk to you, but I’ll try to explain.
                      Do you really think so? True Azerbaijan, not ghostly, exists within Iran, derived from Anthrapakan, below the Araks River. What you now call Northern Azerbaijan is Shirvan and Arran. He appeared on the map in 20 years, so there can be no talk of any land. These lands were part of the Persian Empire, where you and the Armenians were subjects,
                      You did not ask yourself the question, what the hell did the Armenians live in the depths of the Persian Empire? The fact that no one denies this was immigrant, not a large number of immigrants arrived in the same Ar, but this does not mean that their descendants live there. For every period of history there is evidence of the Armenian presence in Ar.Tsach., Starting from the 8th century BC until today. Now compare the appearance of the Turks in the region. Still, no one wants to answer the question, where were the Turks when the Russian troops of Peter the Great took Baku? I think you will skip this question.
                      Baku was defended by the TATs, this is their city.
                2. Yurian33
                  Yurian33 30 December 2018 18: 49
                  0
                  came up with Armenian pseudo-historians

                  The chronicles of "Kartlis tskhovreba" by Leonti Mroveli; Xenophon book "Anabasis Kira"; Strabo's book "Geography"; Claudius Ptolemy's Guide to Geography; Cornelius Tacitus - Annals Book II - Book XV; Dio Cassius book "Roman history". Stephen Byzantine "Ethnic"; Theophanes the Confessor "Chronography"; Guillaume de Rubruk - Journey to the Eastern Countries, Ibn Haukal "Book of Ways and Kingdoms"; world authoritative encyclopedias - British Encyclopedia Britannica, Brockhaus Encyclopedia, Great Encyclopedia of Cyril and Methodius, State Encyclopedia Iranica Everywhere in these sources such a state is mentioned as "Great Armenia" So, all this was also invented by Armenian pseudo-historians? It's even a pity to look at this madhouse, propaganda is a terrible thing. Above, the ignoramus writes that "there is not a single document or map of non-Armenian origin, which indicates" the Armenian region of Artsakh in the Transcaucasus "" and simply cannot verify his own words, the fact that Artsakh was a part of Armenia is written by all ancient Greek and Roman historians ...
          2. mariusdeayeraleone
            mariusdeayeraleone 18 February 2018 22: 18
            +2
            The Black Garden is the geographical name of the territory, as a result of the future capture it grew by landing, it was renamed as partz, so that the Armenians of South Russia would kindly remember))
  12. alone
    alone 18 February 2018 09: 53
    +1
    Mr. Linnik wrote an extensive article, where he made a number of mistakes. if he is interested, I can tell you something.
  13. race
    race 18 February 2018 21: 15
    0
    "... to the level of" Pecher-2M. "

    Actually, Pechora-2M will be right.
  14. FLOOD
    FLOOD 16 March 2018 09: 51
    0
    Quote: aws4
    https://vpk-news.ru/articles/29587

    true verb ... we are more vindictive and this trend is increasing, so it will be!
  15. Molon labe
    Molon labe 26 June 2020 20: 06
    0
    Layout of positions of air defense missile systems and radar stations on the territory of Armenia
    Sergey, can you drop all the coordinates on my email if you still have them? And about Azerbaijan’s air defense too. [email protected] Thanks in advance)