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Russian EW troops against EW USA: the race has begun?

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More and more attention in the West (judging by the publications) began to be paid to the effectiveness of the Russian EW troops. Accordingly, they translate from us and try to analyze the translated.




And here a dual sensation arises. Which pushes to really understand who is cooler: the US electronic troops or our EW.

In the American interpretation, electronic warfare is denoted by different terms: “electronic war” (EW - Electronic Warfare), “counteraction to control” (С3СМ - Command, Control, Communication Countermeasure), “electronic struggle” (Electronic Combat). But the essence is approximately the same.

In the United States are increasingly comparing their own and ours. And there is a definite reason for this. Overseas, success in the development and application of EW of Russia after some cases is of keen interest.

It is not about stories with Donald Cook, this is what makes American specialists laugh healthy and have fun comments.

But the results of the use of some of our complexes in the Donbass and Syria will not make anyone laugh. Moreover, several respected experts in the United States at once, whose opinion it is customary to listen to (Roger McDermott, Sam Bendett, Michael Kofman), spoke about the fact that Russian EW troops represent a serious force and object of study.

According to experts, the Russian divisions of EW have a greater number of people, they are well equipped, in these troops the largest number of new products.

But most importantly, the EW troops, based on the doctrine of use, coordinate their actions with other types of armed forces. Shock aviation, Air defense, artillery.

An important factor Americans consider and many years of combat experience enjoyed by the officers of these troops.

As a classic example, the same Bendet gives in his report the actions of the Russian military in Syria.

“The Russian military discovered 13 drones, identified them, and then neutralized them with radio interference or remote hacking. Those drones who managed to break through these barriers were destroyed by anti-aircraft missiles, and as a result the attack was foiled. Obviously, Russia's desire to organize joint activities of the EW forces and air defense forces began to bear fruit. ”

According to Kofman, modern EW facilities not only expand the capabilities of military equipment, but also allow the Russian military to conduct “contactless” operations and “jam”, blind and demoralize the enemy.

And for this you do not even need to invade the territory of NATO. Firstly, the Russian EW facilities have a greater range of influence, and secondly, Russia in recent years has skillfully created “gray zones”, erasing the border between war and peace.

An interesting opinion of an American, which immediately gives rise to a question: who disturbed you?

If it is serious, without possessing the means of counteraction, NATO will not be able to prevent the existence of these very "gray" zones. But is it necessary? And why today there is a situation that is interpreted that way?

In general, this is a topic of a long and thoughtful conversation, not one page.

But I think we should start with the defensive concept of the two countries. It is in it that the US’s initial lag behind Russia in terms of EW development is laid.

And what is the concept based on? Right on the geographical location.

In this regard, the US has full order. Canada in the north and Mexico in the south. Everything. Two very serious countries, with excellent armies and military capabilities, with independent policies. If in fact - 51-th and 52-th states.

Accordingly, in the entire history of the United States, there were no threats from neighbors, and there could not be any.

Plus, anyone who decides to test the strength of the US defense will first encounter two avoidable, but weighty circumstances. With the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

And here, in principle, everything can be finished with this.

Americans can sleep peacefully (almost), because there is a mighty (no mocking) US Navy. And this is a very difficult trump card that can solve most defense issues.

After all, what is 11 US aircraft carriers? These are 11 airfields, which can be pushed to any distance from the borders of the country. And there, at a distance, to meet anyone: strategic bombers, missiles and other anti-American manifestations.

You can talk a lot about the fact that F / A-18 is “not a cake”, that the deck fighter is not normal, but ... Just look at the 850 and more deck fighter planes in the US Navy, then look at the number of Russian fighters— bombers as part of the VKS in general, and it is clear why everything is so beautiful for Americans.

If there are any problems that the fleet cannot cope with, then please, there is still the USAF, where there are about 2 thousands of combat aircraft (F-15, F-16, F-22, F-35). Yes, according to the media, 22 and 35 are not, well, nothing. The United States and without them completely cost.

In general, the concept is clear: the air and water for the United States, the land where you can war, no. More precisely, it is there, but how to get the troops there, given the above points about water and air, is a question.

And only that “almost” remains. Namely, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces and nuclear submarines.

Agree, there must be a crowbar, against which there is no reception?

But in fact, the defensive concept of the United States, relying on the fleet and aircraft, did not envisage any widespread development and use of EW. Because not so much the lack of need, but rather because of the underestimation of opportunities. Or in half the first and second.

Well, because it (the concept) is not so defensive. And for offensive or aggressive defense, and even ahead of the curve, EW is not the best component. Unlike defense.

If we talk about US EW aviation complexes (and we will definitely talk about them in the following parts), then we cannot say that they are much worse than our Khibiny and Scorpio. Just worse. And the Americans are well aware of this.

But while (worth emphasizing) can not do anything. Understanding that their AN / SLQ-32 5 version, which is put on all new ships - a good thing in the "Ajis", but not until the end, forcing Americans to make movements in the direction of improving their systems.

Indeed, in the future we will examine in detail all the advantages and disadvantages of the Russian and American systems, as far as access to information allows.

In the meantime, we’ll dwell on the moment that the unitarity that the US military preached played a cruel joke. AN / SLQ-32 is a really good complex. And it can be very widely used. From aircraft carrier to aircraft. But this is his weak side. It is universal. And at the same time it will lose to highly specialized Russian-made complexes.

And here we come to the second side. Russian. And again to the geographical map. Standing at the map and looking at Russia, it is not difficult to count how many unfriendly states are around us. Both real and conditional. Conventionally - this is Turkey, for example.

And if we take into account the assembly inadequate in the north, taking breaks for lunch only in cries of the Russian threat, plus Ukraine and a bunch of former Allied ATS allies, and now NATO members, the situation is, let's say, far from the American alignment.

Moreover, the old Europe, of which we are still a part, is a proven platform for world-class fights. There is where to land troops, there is among whom to accumulate allies, there is where to place the shooters of any rank.

Russia has played all its life from defense. Indisputable? That's it. Accordingly, all our EW complexes, which cause dental grit and envy of the enemy, are 95% means of defense.

The exception is, perhaps, "Murmansk". They can still somehow attack at such a distance that not every rocket can fly. The range of the rest of our EW complexes is far from actually threatening anyone. With the exception of just those enemy funds, which themselves will enter the zone of action of our EW assets.

The defensive nature of Soviet and Russian developments does not bother Western experts.

Mr. McDermott explicitly states that it is normal for Russia, and, moreover, it is inherent to build up forces to dominate near its borders.

Well said, Mr. expert. Many penetrated. And many understood the idea of ​​McDermott.

It is necessary to start work today in order to have something to counter the Russian complexes tomorrow. And if this is not done, then “Russia will get away with any aggression, sabotage or accession.” No more, no less.

It is clear where the wind blows in the words of "aggression and accessions." And no one in the West is embarrassed that, in principle, any country in the world would like to dominate its borders. This is normal.

But as far as possible - to realize seriously, if not in the near future, then simply in the future, what is to be done in order to level today's superiority in EW systems of Russia? We will talk about this in the next part.

Source: https://breakingdefense.com/2018/02/electronic-warfare-trumps-cyber-for-deterring-russia.
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  1. Vard
    Vard 12 February 2018 07: 30
    +8
    EW in Russia began to be engaged in the seventies ... About ten years ago, the lag of the rest of the world was estimated at twenty years ...
    1. MadCat
      MadCat 13 February 2018 02: 14
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      EW in Russia began to be engaged in the seventies ... About ten years ago, the lag of the rest of the world was estimated at twenty years ...

      who was evaluated? REN TV? Seriously, do you think that a country that cannot establish a serial production of AFAR which has been a leader for twenty years in EW for a year?
  2. tchoni
    tchoni 12 February 2018 08: 17
    +2
    An article in the "analytics" section is necessary, if not in a "weekend reading". It is said a lot, sometimes scary, sometimes already a tear of pride ... but not about weapons ....
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 February 2018 09: 20
    +4
    EWs began to develop actively in Vietnam and the United States were pioneers and inventors here ... We here (as in intelligence) are catching up and reached a rather serious level (when we can cause serious discomfort to the USA and other NATO forces) in using communications and controlled weapons. Western countries do not fight without intelligence and dominance in armaments ... This is what infuriates them. What is the limitation of the zones of access for their Aviation by our air defense systems S300 / 400. Here we do not even threaten them, but only limit their access to non-their facilities.
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 February 2018 09: 23
    +5
    But the opportunities in the electronic warfare of Western countries do not need to be thrown over with hats ... These are advanced countries in hardware and software and tactics of application. For example, name our analogue - E-3, E -2 or Growler ?? !!
  5. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 12 February 2018 10: 18
    0
    Based on the current political situation in the world, when Russia essentially confronts the whole West alone in protecting its country from aggression, we have a science, and not only fundamental, that must be a cut above the same vile West in order to survive and survive.
    1. arkadiyssk
      arkadiyssk 12 February 2018 10: 25
      +2
      And what is the volume with success in fundamental science? Do you know that out of 300 Nobel Prizes in Physics and Chemistry, Rosiii (USSR) has only 11?
      1. alstr
        alstr 12 February 2018 11: 01
        +6
        Do you know that we simply didn’t file for the Nobel Prize because of secrecy?
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 12 February 2018 20: 05
          +1
          Quote: alstr
          Do you know that we simply didn’t file for the Nobel Prize because of secrecy?


          And they mean their secrets?
          Well, you yourself when you learn to understand that a stick still has 2 ends ...
          1. alstr
            alstr 12 February 2018 22: 49
            0
            The fact is that a significant part of the work in the United States was carried out by private companies (and is being carried out). Therefore, private companies and submitted their developments to all sorts of prizes.

            In our case, ALL the work was carried out by the state and it had the right to control the results of the work. This began to change only in the 90s, and then for the declassification it was necessary to make a lot of effort.

            For example, I can say that my father worked at the Khlopin Research Institute. So they lived well for almost a quarter of a century, i.e. this is what has been delayed, discarded, etc. And all this was secret and unnecessary. (((
            So they declassified and then on the basis of this they sold the results. Mostly Americans. Alas (but it was necessary to live).
      2. Igool
        Igool 12 February 2018 20: 08
        +4
        Quote: arkadiyssk
        Are you aware that

        Do you know that the former President of the United States Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize? I think this is not an isolated case. Who orders music, he dances and the girl.
  6. viktorch
    viktorch 12 February 2018 10: 35
    +8
    article - nothing
    EW in general is a good topic for udodpatriots, all the parameters of the installations are classified that we have what we can carry any nonsense, completely scoring the fact that in microelectronics we are 20-30 years behind in theory and 50 years behind in manufacturing, having failed was 99% in the union,
    for some reason everyone thinks that it’s enough to send money to a heap of money and it will give a result, it will give out a basement assembly on Chinese-Belarusian components
    1. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 12 February 2018 12: 49
      +5
      Quote: viktorch
      in microelectronics we are 20-30 years behind in theory and 50 years behind in production

      To put it mildly, this is a big exaggeration. That is anti-Russian nonsense.
      Quote: viktorch
      for some reason everyone thinks that it’s enough to send money to a heap of money and it will give a result

      Firstly, do not speak for everyone. Secondly, the restoration of production is really worth a lot of money. Thirdly, there is no need to gloat - modern technologies have to be developed on the basis of someone else’s experience, because modern technology “partners” will not be sold to us even for a lot of money.
      1. viktorch
        viktorch 12 February 2018 14: 02
        +5
        don’t tell me exactly what modern technologies were developed in modern Russia, that I didn’t see anything but pulling Soviet ones, with a delay of 20 years,

        it would also be nice to hear about electronics factories how are they? do not tell who survived and held there?

        tell us about the infrared imagers of Almaty, Pak fa, about the data exchange network at 50ki, do not forget about the glossnass and other satellites, preferably with numbers and an indication of specific companies

        demagogy maid in oligarchs just pisses off, the slogans are full, the actual work is close to zero
        1. grandson of Perun
          grandson of Perun 12 February 2018 15: 19
          0
          No, you’d better tell us that in the USA in 1968 microchips were produced using BiKMOS technology with a 0,065 micron lithographic square, and only after 50 years (in your own words) we only mastered these technologies.
          Tell us about our “lag” in silicon carbide and gallium nitride technologies and processor architectures.
          So let's see who the demagogue who overly emotional retells someone else's nonsense ...
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            1. standan
              standan 12 February 2018 18: 30
              0
              And it’s nothing so that all American radio electronics are manufactured in Taiwan and Thailand. Singapore, Malaysia, China, etc.
              1. ZVO
                ZVO 13 February 2018 05: 17
                +2
                Quote: standan
                And it’s nothing so that all American radio electronics are manufactured in Taiwan and Thailand. Singapore, Malaysia, China, etc.


                Civil Electronics ...
                Not military.
                1. standan
                  standan 13 February 2018 16: 42
                  -1
                  Our military electronics is made in Russia
            2. grandson of Perun
              grandson of Perun 12 February 2018 21: 50
              -1
              And again, instead of concrete facts, there are only loud slogans, and instead of arguments, a transition to personalities.
              By the way, well-mannered people do not poke and even less rude to those who are much older in age and much better versed in the topic.
        2. VOENOBOZ
          VOENOBOZ 7 May 2021 22: 07
          0
          What did you do useful yourself?
      2. Alexander Nezgovorov
        Alexander Nezgovorov 12 February 2018 20: 37
        0
        Victor. They steal from us equally from the unchecked and from the unchecked ..... - so conceived ... Let them steal better ...
    2. V
      V 12 February 2018 12: 53
      0
      Quote: viktorch
      that in microelectronics we are 20-30 years behind in theory and 50 years behind in production, having eroded what was in the union by 99%

      The fundamental difference is that we have analog circuits, and the Americans have digital ones. The advantages and disadvantages have long been known. I absolutely disagree with the fact that everything is lost and we are behind. In electronic warfare systems, including radar, the closest competitors lagged behind us by a dozen or two years. Do not underestimate our legendary engineers and designers.
      1. viktorch
        viktorch 12 February 2018 14: 06
        +3
        I have terrible news for you, no one is behind us,
        on electronic warfare, it is necessary to compare not the ground components of the USA and Russia, but it’s komplesso, air + land + sea, and then it will immediately become clear who is behind.

        Americans raise a squeal not because they have a real threat to their superiority, but because someone has at least some opportunity to resist them, which automatically turns into a fan of the threat and budget.

        ps how much Americans are accustomed to absolute and overwhelming superiority can be seen even in the unencrypted channels of unmanned aerial vehicles of early generations — it’s just a total slack, absolutely not thought during the USSR
        1. businessv
          businessv 12 February 2018 21: 12
          +2
          Quote: viktorch
          I have terrible news for you, no one is behind us,

          And what is terrible in her, in this news? Well, hell does not lag behind! Cook in the Black Sea really scared? Yes! This is not rumored, I have a friend on this same Cook attended and described everything in detail. What, to hell with a dog’s difference, lag behind or not? We will not be made what kind of processors do we need our eastern friends? Yes, with great pleasure this will be done with all compliance with the Terms of Reference! Our Terms of Reference! Not all of our bright heads moved to Silicon Valley, thank God, and therefore our electronic warfare systems rule today! It does not matter what and how is done and what is classified and what is not, it is important how it can be applied today, and with this everything is in order! Therefore, Victorch, do not drive the wave! How are you going to compare the effects of electronic warfare on communications with the effects of electronic warfare on GOS? What, to hell "air + land + sea"?
    3. Starley.ura
      Starley.ura 12 February 2018 21: 12
      -1
      Microelectronics is just the most vulnerable to electronic warfare.
  7. Firework
    Firework 12 February 2018 12: 07
    +2
    How do you like the idea of ​​adaptive electronic warfare with artificial intelligence?
    1. viktorch
      viktorch 12 February 2018 14: 10
      0
      AI write first, and do the iron for it, and then you can add the reb
      1. Firework
        Firework 12 February 2018 14: 11
        +1
        if I write I’m not sharing with anyone))
        1. viktorch
          viktorch 12 February 2018 14: 14
          0
          when the world capture the bush write, throw a couple of ideas
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    1. viktorch
      viktorch 12 February 2018 14: 18
      -1
      in fairness, modern electronic warfare means perfectly crush digital adaptations like the Turkish Alsan, the Turks are very much driven about their connection
      another thing on the Donbas, this most modern electronic warfare will appear simply nowhere
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  10. Tektor
    Tektor 12 February 2018 13: 20
    0
    There are more than:
    And only that “almost” remains. Namely, the Russian Strategic Missile Forces and nuclear submarines.
    long-range cruise missiles. And ekranoplans, as some kind of CR.
  11. mvg
    mvg 12 February 2018 14: 23
    +2
    this is how Israeli electronic warfare acts, I see ... and the fact that Lebanon 82 and Syria 17 are bombed with impunity, I also see. article for idio..patriots. Syria, before the citizen, was the strongest in the Air Defense Forces.
  12. standan
    standan 12 February 2018 18: 15
    +1
    Quote: Westfshoke
    A lot of hype on the network about Russian electronic warfare, but in Russia there is no modern. electronic industry, the same GLONASS satellites 75% consist of US components, are there any patches ??? At a convenient moment, all Russian missiles will be inaccurate. From Snowden, we know that Americans had access to any computer in the world, Americans know how to install patches


    Tell us in more detail about the components from the USA, what exactly and where it comes from, especially for the defense industry?
    1. Vitaly RV
      Vitaly RV 12 February 2018 23: 42
      +1
      I won’t lie about the devices themselves. But all the computer equipment supplied 8 years ago as part of the modernization of the Hurricane control systems is 100% imported (Pentium-based systems, HP printers, ZEXEL modems). He worked himself. It was only checked by specialists, and instead of Windows, the MC aircraft or other OSs (from SUN to LINUX) were installed. Theoretically, having access to the communication channel can be hacked. It is significant that instead of a piece of iron with a red price of 10 bucks for printing a ribbon and requiring once a month printing ink (MPU used to be produced in Ukraine) in 2004, they put a system unit and two HP1200 printers at the price I generally keep quiet ... in the store there is such a system or printer It cost three times cheaper (and at the time of installation it was already far from the most advanced), the difference is the certificate that was checked for the absence of extraneous chips. Now the truth is Taman-Bazu heard that out of the loop.
      1. standan
        standan 13 February 2018 16: 45
        -1
        For a long time, everything has been replaced by our and "Chinese" kit
    2. Bratkov Oleg
      Bratkov Oleg 14 February 2018 20: 31
      0
      Quote: standan
      Tell us in more detail about the components from the USA, what exactly and where it comes from, especially for the defense industry?

      Well, shuttles go to the USA, through a hole in the factory, she leads directly to the warehouse, climb, load the trunks with chips, and back. And on top of the chips they put a pair of jeans, chewing gum, Marlboro cigarettes ... so that the customs missed. And back, straight to the Russian military factories. Something like that.
  13. Glory1974
    Glory1974 12 February 2018 20: 06
    0
    But I think we should start with the defensive concept of the two countries. It is in it that the US’s initial lag behind Russia in terms of EW development is laid.

    Very controversial statement. What does the “defensive concept” of using electronic warfare mean? If you drowned out the enemy’s frequencies, is this an offensive or defense?
    And who said about the backlog of the United States?
    But in fact, in the USA there is a concept of using electronic warfare in an offensive operation, but there is a defense one.
    Secondly, the United States attaches electronic warfare to a much greater importance. Such that they even consider the effect of electronic warfare as one of the means of defeating the enemy, such as fire damage.
    Thirdly, if the author laid out to us the electronic warfare equipment that the enemy possesses, it would become clear that, for example, we wouldn’t have a word for communication during the war. You can talk about other tricks for a long time, but those who are in the subject can say , which at best, can only be catching up with the adversary.
  14. demo
    demo 12 February 2018 20: 12
    +2
    Russia played all his life from defense. Undoubtedly? That's it.

    Over the past 350 years, the Principality of Moscow, the Russian Empire, and the Russian Empire waged more than 300 wars.
    And, by the way, I didn’t always wait when they hit her. Sometimes we started first. For preventive purposes.
    Peter's campaigns to the south and north. The conquest of Crimea and the elimination of the presence of a slave gangster enclave about Turkish khans. The conquest of the Caucasus. And much more.
    This is for objectivity.
    1. Antares
      Antares 12 February 2018 22: 58
      0
      Quote: demo
      Over the past 350 years, the Principality of Moscow, the Russian Empire, and the Russian Empire waged more than 300 wars.

      there are no states that expand without waging war of conquest. As for some kind of "peaceful" joining and defensive wars (the latter often ended with the loss of territories) We can recall the war with the same Chukchi .. Just the "peace" process laughing
      I’ll supplement the Northern War, the Chinese campaigns, the French company, Polish uprisings (and the redistribution itself) .. and many others.
      Where did such a trick come from to declare that Russia did not wage aggressive wars? They were all led. There is nothing unusual for humanity here. Expansion.
  15. Alexander Nezgovorov
    Alexander Nezgovorov 12 February 2018 20: 31
    +1
    PR, PR, PR ... PR is good ... sometimes .... for stupid people. Bad is the boss who underestimates the army of a potential enemy !!! After all, our planes are being shot down and soldiers are not killed by the Americans, but by the so-called terrorists ... and they hit planes in clear skies ... because there are no enemy planes there ... Su-25s are discontinued
    February 8 2017
    The production of Su-25 attack aircraft has been stopped in Russia, airlines will modernize existing aircraft, Warspot reports from the head of the RF Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov.
    Su-25 withdrawn from serial production
    Su-25 will no longer be produced in serial quantities. We are only engaged in upgrading the new version of the Su-25TM,
    said Manturov.
    As a replacement for the Su-25, he called the Yak-130 combat training aircraft, which can be used as a light attack aircraft.
    The resource reminds that Su-25ТМ was created in 1980-s based on the front-attack attack aircraft Su-25Т, which in turn is a modification of Su-25.
    Su-25TM during the modernization has undergone a lot of changes (updated avionics, an extended range of weapons), therefore offered to foreign buyers under the name Su-39.

    Su-39
    Information: “Su-25 was developed in the Experimental Design Bureau named after Sukhoi, made his first flight in 1975, and six years later entered service with the Soviet Army. Since the start of mass production (1978), more than 1300 units in various modifications have been produced. Today, the Su-25 is in service with the armies of many countries of the former USSR, as well as African and Middle Eastern states. ” AND SO QUESTION !!! - How much can you exploit everything SOVIET Obsolete, having lived 3-4 terms of operation ??? And where is our Russian .... After all, Putin claimed that only galoshes were produced in the USSR ??? But he flies on Soviet galoshes ...
    1. petyaivolk
      petyaivolk 13 February 2018 10: 38
      0
      Quote: Alexander Nezgovorov
      After all, Putin claimed that only galoshes were produced in the USSR ??? But he flies on Soviet galoshes ...

      wassat lol laughing good No. request sad and that is true
  16. Uralean
    Uralean 12 February 2018 20: 38
    -1
    Quote: Perun's grandson
    Quote: viktorch
    in microelectronics we are 20-30 years behind in theory and 50 years behind in production

    To put it mildly, this is a big exaggeration. That is anti-Russian nonsense.
    Quote: viktorch
    for some reason everyone thinks that it’s enough to send money to a heap of money and it will give a result

    Firstly, do not speak for everyone. Secondly, the restoration of production is really worth a lot of money. Thirdly, there is no need to gloat - modern technologies have to be developed on the basis of someone else’s experience, because modern technology “partners” will not be sold to us even for a lot of money.

    Yes, you're right .. A lot of people still want to scream that in Russia EVERYTHING FALLS !! The truth is a little tempered .. Many sofa specialists, here we will be told with foam at the mouth how far we have failed .. As if we ourselves do not know .... But what about the Napoleonic army of the French by how much superior to both Russian armies? And how did it end for them .. And the Swedish king Karl X !! how much technically and military superior to the Russian army and navy of Tsar Peter? And the result .. More and more I will not make more recent comparisons, and even in the United States, Korea and Vietnam ..))
    1. Antares
      Antares 12 February 2018 23: 01
      0
      Quote: Ural
      Swedish king Karl X !! how much technically and military superior to the Russian army and navy of Tsar Peter

      in confidence for sure. Peter near Azov (and secured near Narva) was broken off at the same one. And Karl was lucky. But it all ended in failure. Not much he excelled at something there. In the experience, perhaps, other armies converged under Poltava than under Narva. Morally, physically, and by experience.
  17. nikvic46
    nikvic46 13 February 2018 09: 48
    0
    Studying a new technique of an opponent, scientists need to look into perspective, planning a completely new project. After all, in the 50s
    years, Americans puzzled over the creation of aircraft capable of delivering nuclear bombs over a long distance.
    While they were tinkering with this problem in the nose, the USSR launched a satellite. After launching a rocket with a man on board, a scandal erupted in the U.S. Congress because it was announced that Soviet electronics also pulled ahead.
    Khrushchev’s research institute developing new projects on electronics was closed. An incomprehensible solution. An example of a bad
    Gorbachev showed rivalry by throwing huge amounts of money into creating a prototype of the Shuttle. Political scientists often turn to the times of Tsar Gorokh in discussions, forgetting about the times of the Tatar-Mongol yoke. But precisely at this time
    the first university in Germany appeared. We often praise Catherine the Great, forgetting about Elizabeth, who pointed out the ways of creating sciences in Russia.
  18. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 22: 11
    +1
    Quote: viktorch
    don’t tell me exactly what modern technologies were developed in modern Russia, that I didn’t see anything but pulling Soviet ones, with a delay of 20 years,

    it would also be nice to hear about electronics factories how are they? do not tell who survived and held there?

    tell us about the infrared imagers of Almaty, Pak fa, about the data exchange network at 50ki, do not forget about the glossnass and other satellites, preferably with numbers and an indication of specific companies

    demagogy maid in oligarchs just pisses off, the slogans are full, the actual work is close to zero

    yes good
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 13 February 2018 22: 17
    0
    Quote: Ural
    Quote: Perun's grandson
    Quote: viktorch
    in microelectronics we are 20-30 years behind in theory and 50 years behind in production

    To put it mildly, this is a big exaggeration. That is anti-Russian nonsense.
    Quote: viktorch
    for some reason everyone thinks that it’s enough to send money to a heap of money and it will give a result

    Firstly, do not speak for everyone. Secondly, the restoration of production is really worth a lot of money. Thirdly, there is no need to gloat - modern technologies have to be developed on the basis of someone else’s experience, because modern technology “partners” will not be sold to us even for a lot of money.

    Yes, you're right .. A lot of people still want to scream that in Russia EVERYTHING FALLS !! The truth is a little tempered .. Many sofa specialists, here we will be told with foam at the mouth how far we have failed .. As if we ourselves do not know .... But what about the Napoleonic army of the French by how much superior to both Russian armies? And how did it end for them .. And the Swedish king Karl X !! how much technically and military superior to the Russian army and navy of Tsar Peter? And the result .. More and more I will not make more recent comparisons, and even in the United States, Korea and Vietnam ..))

    Yes-ah ..., against such "reinforced concrete" arguments you can’t argue! You - offset! By patriotism! wassat
  20. asr55
    asr55 21 February 2018 00: 37
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    Quote: MadCat
    Quote: Vard
    EW in Russia began to be engaged in the seventies ... About ten years ago, the lag of the rest of the world was estimated at twenty years ...

    who was evaluated? REN TV? Seriously, do you think that a country that cannot establish a serial production of AFAR which has been a leader for twenty years in EW for a year?

    Well, not you. Assessment is given by a number of foreign experts. What happened to your F-35 afar and European planes in the ass. You better say at the Ryazan Radio Plant that there are no afar in the country, make them laugh. Maybe you just do not taste? Do not put on airplanes due to the high cost and increase in the cost of the aircraft. An example of a MIG radar bug. "... a country that cannot ..." ml where do you give birth and oppochivayut such.