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Truth and fiction about the Ukrainian cruise missile "Neptune"

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The other day, Kiev held another rocket tests. This time, the new Ukrainian cruise missile "Neptune". Opinion "experts" at the same time divided. Kiev "experts" write that the new rocket can fly almost de Moscow, and the Russians mostly agree that everything is a bluff. As usual, both are wrong.

On the ruins of the USSR

Indeed, why deny the obvious facts. There is a rocket, and it flies. Where and how, let's talk about it below, but for now let's remember that Kiev has almost everything to create it. And it got “almost everything” from the “damned scoop”, which in Ukraine today is officially only scolded.

Nowhere will you hear from Aleksandr Turchinov’s mouth that the “Ukrainian dvigun” of “Neptune” is the good old Soviet TRDD-50 used in Soviet counterparts of Tomahawk, X-55. And it was produced before the collapse of this very Union in Zaporozhye.

Also the most important state secret of Ukraine is the manufacturer of the transport and launch container (TPC) for the new rocket. In fact, this is also an open secret. Long ago, a huge half-workshop mill for bending an aluminum sheet was bought for the Zhulyansky machine-building plant Vizar in Austria. He also once bought a "damn scoop" to assemble the first TPC for the C-300 missiles. Already later, their production was transferred to Russia, and the camp remained.



True, this was not without problems. The fact is that the diameter of TPK X-35 is smaller than the diameter of TPK C-300, but the Austrian camp is not adapted to bend sheets of smaller diameter, and therefore the Ukrainian designers had to be bent to properly place the Neptune in an overly spacious container for it. This truly enrages the Ukrainian developers of warships today (more on this below).

And no one will ever tell you from the leadership in Kiev that the TRDD-50 was used in the creation of the Soviet anti-ship missile X-35 “Uran”, whose tests were completed after the collapse of the Soviet Union in Russia, and that the new “Neptune” is so similar on their Russian counterpart that the uninitiated person will confuse them in 50% of cases.

Truth and fiction about the Ukrainian cruise missile "Neptune"




Someone immediately determine who is who? If not, then I suggest, on the bottom picture, the start of the Russian “Uranus”, and on the top - the Ukrainian “Neptune”.

I blinded him from what was. Problems of the new rocket

As we can see, the groundwork of the Ukrainian rocket builders due to the “damnable communist past” was solid. But there were problems.

Ukraine did not have its own suitable inertial flight control systems. And without them, a rocket in a given square, where the homing head should be turned on, cannot be derived. Not that it was an insoluble task, but the problem was nonetheless. How effectively it was resolved, we will see. But this is not really the most important thing. There are problems and more serious.

Kiev had to make the first acceleration stage. She came out not very beautiful and not quite normal. The fact is, there is some misalignment of the starting and marching stages of the rocket, which at the start causes the effect of cabrirovanie. I think you noticed this in the video:



We saw how the rocket nodded a little, and then went along the trajectory. This is just caused by this misalignment. In order to remove the problem, the Ukrainian designers had to lower the nozzle of the first-stage engine a little (on 2 degrees), and now they are fighting to remove this effect completely.

There is one more problem, without deciding which one can nullify the whole “peremog”. According to the statement of work, a new product, in order not to be inferior to the Russian analogue, which was adopted by 20 years ago, should have been able to fly at an altitude of 5 meters above sea level. But instruments (radio altimeters) that would provide the necessary accuracy of flight were not made in Ukraine. To be honest, as long as I do not have information, the problem is solved or not. And if solved, how. The tests performed so far also cannot answer this question. So wait for the continuation.

Another problem is the homing head. Ukraine has never done purely anti-ship heads, and therefore it was decided to use for this purpose an “improved” head from missiles. I don’t know what the Ukrainian media meant, saying that the new rocket used parts from the C-200 missile defense system, but it’s possible that it’s about her.

So, as we see, the problems of the new rocket also exist, they are enough, but they are all solvable.

Kiev shipbuilding program

And now let's tie the tested to the ... Kiev shipbuilding program. In fact, the connection here is the most direct. The fact is that Poroshenko, when he voiced plans to build a corvette like "Vladimir the Great", assumed that almost all weapons systems on it would be imported. But the greed of the Ukrainian oligarchs has been stung, and therefore it was decided that the corvettes will be equipped to the maximum with Ukrainian weapons systems.

And just the PRC "Neptune" should become the main caliber of new ships.

As well as new missile boats, which will be designed on the basis of an artillery boat "Lan".



Actually, it was the delay in the development of the complex and forced the Nikolaev shipbuilders to throw the skeleton of the leading Ukrainian corvette for several years.



True, the designers of the new Ukrainian ships themselves are not enthusiastic about such a decision. The fact is that the large dimensions of the complex and the “subtleties” when launching rockets for them have become a real headache and the cause of half the obscene words uttered in the walls of the design bureau. The cumbersome turning points of the CRP PU is already the last century, and the impossibility of reducing them to the optimal size is generally a separate stream of obscene language. But what can't you do for the sake of everything on the product was Ukrainian ...

Summing up

As we have seen, the Russian "Uranus" and the Ukrainian "Neptune" have a common parent and will have very similar characteristics. Of course, a new Ukrainian rocket will not reach Moscow, and it is not intended for this (Kiev is developing the Korshun CD for this purpose). Also, as we test, we will observe how the Ukrainian designers managed to solve certain problems related to the absence of a node in the legacy of the “cursed scoop”.

Now you understand why I cannot help but smile when some (Russian) “experts” say that “this will not fly” (when it is already flying), and their Ukrainian colleagues claim that it will fly much better than the Russian counterpart. By golly funny, well, just like children. “Uranus” and “Neptune” are in many respects the same as Russians with Ukrainians, and therefore, if you want to understand what the characteristics of Ukrainian “Neptune” will be, look at the Russian “Uranus”. However, as I said above, if the Ukrainian designers managed to construct something that they did not get from the “damned Soviet past” ...
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 1 February 2018 07: 12
    +3
    Uranium to them, but according to Neptune!
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      1. Zmei53
        Zmei53 1 February 2018 18: 05
        +3
        Learn the grammar- "analyst" pan-legged, and do not touch our referendum. You and your puppeteers do not understand what is the general opinion and desire of the people
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 1 February 2018 07: 37
    +2
    Yes ... how many such backlogs of the former USSR are scattered throughout the former republics.
  3. 52
    52 1 February 2018 07: 42
    +6
    Traditionally, rockets will fly either into civilian aircraft, or into civilians, or into their own barracks. They do not have another program.
    1. Yurasumy
      1 February 2018 08: 02
      +2
      Anti-ship? This is how you should try))
      1. 52
        52 1 February 2018 12: 43
        +2
        These? Yes easily! Give them a boomerang - that’s how they will make half of their disabled people, in the physical sense, in the mental one, and so everything is clear.
      2. Bugel852 ury
        Bugel852 ury 15 July 2020 20: 59
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        I advise you to pay attention to the work of one Kiev film studio. He claims to make cruise missiles, but upon closer inspection it turns out that this missile is painted.
        In the scene of a missile flying with superluminal speed (the shadow from it did not have time to reach the water because of this) a small but annoying inconsistency between the two creative groups turned out: the pyrotechnics had already exploded the charge, and the animators were still stubbornly drawing the rocket.
        Original video taken from the pastor’s channel. This flaw can be seen in the browser at 01:39, but it’s more convenient to catch it in the player by downloading the video to the computer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBXn7CliKao
        The fragment slowed down several times can be seen here, there it is in all its glory https://www.youtube.com/embed/oB2Klz1VgpA
    2. Hard Rock
      Hard Rock 1 February 2018 10: 38
      +3
      One hundred percent! Monkeys with pomegranates!
  4. engineer74
    engineer74 1 February 2018 07: 54
    +2
    Actually, the names "Uranus" and "Neptune" - neighboring planets, as if hinting at kinship. smile
  5. Berkut
    Berkut 1 February 2018 09: 01
    +6
    Thanks, author. But the problem is that there is little to construct, it is still necessary to establish industrial production. This is a separate issue. The difference between piece art and series, you know .... It’s necessary that it coincides “from what to do”, “gle to do” and “with whose hands to do”
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 1 February 2018 09: 42
      +1
      There are generally a lot of problems, both technological and operational. Development of standards, preparation and training of calculations. The process lasted for more than one year.
      But a start has been made, and this is cause for concern.
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 1 February 2018 09: 27
    +4
    but the Austrian camp is not able to bend sheets with a smaller diameter,
    Can’t the mill be reconfigured? In my amateurish opinion - this is some kind of .. incorrectness. Is it that the manufacturer is imprisoned for a constant size? Is it with such proportions and the corresponding cost?
    huge, occupying half the shop,
    Shoto is not here. Enlighten. who is in the subject
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 February 2018 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Can’t the mill be reconfigured? In my amateurish opinion - this is some kind of .. incorrectness. Is it that the manufacturer is imprisoned for a constant size?

      Probably, the diameter of the "native" TPK "Neptune" is below the lower boundary of the range of bending radii. Then, the reconfiguration will not help - in this case, the design of the mill mechanics does not allow bending such a TPK.
  7. shuravi
    shuravi 1 February 2018 09: 37
    +5

    Indeed, why deny the obvious facts. There is a rocket, and it flies.


    Sorry, author -> author -> author, but you seem to be a couch expert. What is flying there? In the video, just:
    The experts evaluated the tests and came to the conclusion that they only tested the launch of the rocket from the launch container and solid-fuel accelerator, while the turbojet engine did not turn on. The rocket itself is just a throwing model without a control system, experts concluded.

    Well, another long patriotic speech. But neither the rocket itself on the trajectory nor the defeat of the target.
    1. Hard Rock
      Hard Rock 1 February 2018 10: 43
      +4
      I agree with you, they pulled a racket into the sky, and then show off. I hope that the trident with a flag painted on for greater flight stability.
  8. svp67
    svp67 1 February 2018 09: 42
    +1
    Truth and fiction about the Ukrainian cruise missile "Neptune"
    Why is this rocket called "WINGED"? Her "wings" do not make her "winged"
    In general, I wonder how they managed to get hold of the documentation or the X-35 sample. By the way, the X-35 was "cloned" in the DPRK, apparently it’s worth working out this direction of "leaks"
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 1 February 2018 09: 50
      +2
      And what? Classic cruise missile. Flight - 15 above the surface.
      1. svp67
        svp67 1 February 2018 10: 07
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Classic cruise missile.

        Here is the definition of CR:
        Covered missile - a single-launch unmanned aerial vehicle, the flight path of which is determined aerodynamic wing liftengine traction and gravity
        Well, “X-35” and “Neptune” do not have the ability to use the AERODYNAMIC WING LIFT FORCE, its wings for stabilization and changing the direction of flight ...
        Here is kr

        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 1 February 2018 11: 12
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Well, “X-35” and “Neptune” do not have the ability to use the AERODYNAMIC WING LIFT FORCE, its wings for stabilization and changing the direction of flight ...

          And if the rocket flies horizontally, it uses an air-jet engine for its flight, and because of the high flight speed the lifting force of the hull and kutsih wings is enough for it (for example, “Onyx” or “Brahmos”), then what is it? ballistic?
        2. Mimoprohodil
          Mimoprohodil 1 February 2018 11: 33
          +1
          So the X-35 has a cruciform wing, respectively, and its area is larger. A smaller rocket has a smaller wing. It is necessary to compare the wings with the size of the rocket itself
        3. shuravi
          shuravi 1 February 2018 21: 09
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Well, “X-35” and “Neptune” do not have the ability to use the AERODYNAMIC WING LIFT FORCE, its wings for stabilization and changing the direction of flight ...


          I don’t understand some. Well, if your knowledge of aerodynamics is zero, so ask those who know, and do not give out your “it seems to me” as truth.
          Here is the lift formula:

          From which it follows that the greater the speed, the smaller the required wing area.
      2. Antares
        Antares 1 February 2018 11: 34
        -1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Classic cruise missile.

        RCC-above the surface of the sea.
        And it got “almost everything” from the “damned scoop”, which is officially accepted only to scold in Ukraine today.

        they criticize the political component, I have never seen that they scolded what happened or military factories or highways and fixed assets. As usual, in the Russian Federation and Ukraine they criticize political and ideological, and don’t touch the legacy ...
        Also the most important state secret of Ukraine is the manufacturer of the transport and launch container (TPK) for the new rocket

        a nightmare .. this information with the cooperation of factories is publicly available.
        In general, according to the theses. Ukraine itself says that Neptune is a CLONE x35. And after he lists that even North Korea was copied, and then there are additional production advantages. Turchinov does not have to repeat this about engines either, for it is written everywhere that the MSs have been and will be producing "good old" with a new approach (there will be improvements).
        The leadership of the political country, what they say is all on a piece of paper. The terms and military are generally inaccessible to them. But Ukrainian military observers everywhere indicate what the author broke the covers from. Clone, cooperation, documentation, problems, etc.
        It is not politicians who need to listen, they are the same in the world - deceitful and corrupt ...
        In general, I did not learn anything new. Another article in the style of disruption of the veil in the well-known, plus bravura-they say nothing they can do.
  9. av58
    av58 1 February 2018 10: 45
    +1
    Well, Ukrainians made a missile with a sin in half, it flew, they even stick a warhead. Then what? The most important thing remains: to decide to apply. This will be a big, big problem laughing
  10. rkpu97
    rkpu97 1 February 2018 11: 15
    +2
    Shown typical throwing tests. Before the normal flight of the rocket, it is still necessary a hundred miles ....
    Again, the question is: where to prepare personnel for future ship rocket engineers (the only Chernomorskoye VVMU named after PS Nakhimov remained where it was with all cadres of teachers and matbase)? And what about the technical storage facilities, maintenance and preparation of missiles? About the carriers of these missiles - a separate issue. And the most important: "where is the money, Zin?"
  11. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 1 February 2018 12: 57
    +1
    The fact is that Poroshenko, when he voiced plans to build corvettes of the Vladimir the Great type, suggested that almost all weapon systems on him would be imported. But the greed of the Ukrainian oligarchs was overwhelmed, and therefore it was decided that the corvettes would be equipped with Ukrainian weapons systems to the maximum.

    Poroshenko corvettes only voiced the very first TK of the times of Yushchenko. It was during the Pasechnik of the Navy that raved about “Exosets,” “Asters,” “UTO Melaras,” “Oerlikons,” and NH90.
    And under Profesor, who inherited this corvette, they finally decided to calculate the cost of all import systems. In general, EMNIP corvette in full forcemeat would cost more than the annual budget of the Navy. And then the Wishlist of the Navy began to cut back - in the project, Soviet and paper Ukrainian weapons appeared. As a result, the construction stood up - for under each of the replacements the project had to be redone.
    So in this matter Poroshenko follows the course laid by the ferns. Yanukovych’s case is true! smile
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  13. surovts.valery
    surovts.valery 1 February 2018 14: 37
    +2
    Now you understand why I can’t help but smile when some (Russian) “experts” say that “it won’t fly” (when it’s already flying), and their Ukrainian colleagues say that it will fly much better than the Russian counterpart. By God, it’s funny, just like children. “Uranus” and “Neptune” are in many ways the same as the Russians and Ukrainians, and therefore, if you want to understand what the characteristics of the Ukrainian “Neptune” will be, look at the Russian “Uranus”.

    Oh, they waited for comments on this topic from our esteemed Y. Sumy. Nothing will fly there. Of course, I do not pretend to the truth in the last resort, but I analyzed the information from various resources a bit, I made a definite conclusion:
    1. There is no new Ukro-KR.
    2. In Kharkov, in cooperation with Russia, they tried (or made engines for the X-35) left behind on this topic - missile bodies, etc., experimental starting engines and some developments and components. This whole nonsense was demonstrated by the "chicken ass". And he is already the rest.
  14. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 1 February 2018 14: 43
    +1
    The author brought together in one article all the information obtained on this weapon system. Thank you very much for that. Here we have some normal information about non-stop weapons. A previous article of this level was published on a tactical missile by the Equalized counterpart. If anyone wishes, you can write an article on this topic.
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    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 February 2018 18: 25
      +2
      It’s really strange: how dare they analyze weapons at the Military Review - instead of discussing only their own on-line, as well as “pay and repent” ©. laughing
      You, my dear man, were mistaken in your address - amateur coprophages, who thoughtfully discuss the depth of Russia's immersion online, live on the “Maskha Mask” and the “Rain”.
    2. sgrabik
      sgrabik 2 February 2018 08: 26
      0
      If you think we are in shit, then what can we say about your Outskirts, she drowned in this shit and went to the very bottom of the latrine pit back in 2014, so whose cow would be mooing.
  16. Potter
    Potter 1 February 2018 21: 41
    +1
    Rare Neptune will reach the middle of the Dnieper ......
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  18. Jodina
    Jodina 2 February 2018 13: 21
    -1
    The author is the greatest expert in everything he writes about! Foreign policy, energy, weapons, army :) (This is sarcasm, if that).
    I wonder how the author thinks to start a land missile from a ship? At sea, everything is somewhat more complicated if the expert author understands what it is about :)
    Gather vocational schools.
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