What will the next generation of astronauts fly to Space?

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What will the next generation of astronauts fly to Space?

At present, the crucial important question is being decided who will be the master of the space for the next 2 for ten years. Almost half a century, when humanity poked in the immediate vicinity of the Earth, not fully understanding what it is doing, except perhaps to outrun its competitors, they came to an end. During this time, a huge amount of money was thrown into the airless space. Only one Apollo project with 6 successful expeditions to the moon cost the US budget 25 billion dollars (and this is in 1970's prices). In addition, each launch of the space shuttle shuttle is estimated at almost 500 million dollars.

He did not lag behind the United States and the USSR, only one still unrealized lunar program cost the country 2,5 billion rubles (this is at a time when the average wage was 90 rubles per month). Even more impressive amount - 16 billion rubles was, in fact, thrown on the system "Energy - Buran." The Soviet analogue of the shuttle flew into space only 1 times. The return on many space projects was minimal. But this return in the form of velcro on clothes, filters and tomographs was very useful later on Earth.



ISS - already yesterday

In recent years, the very strategy of space exploration has changed, the space powers (and China, India, Japan and the European Union have joined Russia and the United States over the years) consider money perfectly and meticulously think through their prospects. Navigation, telecommunications and other satellites themselves are well paid for. But the most interesting thing is, of course, manned cosmonautics. And here there are already a number of questions: where to fly, and whether these projects are affordable.


In this case, it is necessary to deal with those on which to fly. After the devastating programs with shuttles, it became clear that the Soviet model, when a small spacecraft with astronauts was put into orbit by a rocket, and then the crew landed in a descent capsule, is very profitable (saving compared to launching shuttles 7-8 times). Moreover, such launches were more reliable. On the Soyuz ships, only the cosmonaut's 4 died, while the Shuttles took the lives of 14 people. From this we can conclude that the next generation of spacecraft will not be fully reusable. Most likely, the rocket - ship - descent vehicle will be implemented. In this case, the descent capsule can be sent into orbit more than once.

The second main question, why actually fly. It is dominated by a mixture of romance and calculation. Mankind has always wanted to look beyond the edge of the universe, while space flights are very well developing state technologies. Today, the mass of the ISS weighs 420 tons (this is the weight of the train from 8 passenger cars), but at the same time it can be called yesterday. The experiments conducted at the station were performed by cosmonauts at the Mir station. The main thing that the ISS can give is the experience of assembling and subsequent long-term operation in orbit of a structure similar to a Martian ship. But this experience is primarily useful to the United States.

USA trusts construction of new 4 spacecraft to private companies

The main priority of its space program in the United States chose Mars. This goal is very ambitious and gives a serious impetus to the development of modern technologies. The Americans even closed their Constellation program - the establishment of a colony on the Moon, and also closed the expensive flight program of shuttles and, thus optimizing their expenses, began to prepare for an expedition to the red planet.

Spacecraft "Soyuz"

In the US, they are well aware that 60 million dollars that NASA pays for delivering each of its cosmonauts to the ISS with the help of the Russian Soyuz is more profitable than driving outdated shuttle traders. And the money saved in this way at NASA is going to be spent on the creation of new devices. At the same time, 4 companies are simultaneously working on the development of manned systems (in this case, a launch vehicle will also be needed for a new ship). Private companies were not chosen by chance. They work more flexibly, are not so blinkered when making various technical decisions and are also used to counting their money.

As a result, the first ship called the Dragon of the private company SpaceX with the Falcon rocket of the same company already on April 30 should start and dock with the international space station. In fact, it will be the world's first private spaceship. According to SpaceX founder Elon Mask, in the next couple of years his ship will be able to deliver astronauts to the ISS in 2 times cheaper than Roscosmos is doing now. In parallel with SpaceX, grants for the creation of manned spacecraft by NASA issued 3 to firms:
- the company Boeing, creates the spacecraft CST-100;
- Sierra Nevada Corporation is completing the Dream Chaser shuttle, the first test flight of which can take place in the summer of 2012. The outlines of this ship very much resemble the Clipper manned spacecraft, which was created in Russia at RSC Energia;
- Blue Origin is working to finalize the ship New Shepard (named after the first American cosmonaut Alan Shepard). The layout of the ship was tested in 2006 year.

On 4 project data from 2012 to 2014 years, NASA is ready to spend 1,6 billion dollars (the cost of 3 shuttle flights). Someone may ask why Americans immediately 4 ship? The answer is simple, Americans never "put all their eggs in one basket." Consider the almost finished Dragon ship in more detail.


Dragon spacecraft

The "dragon" consists of 2 modules: a command-unit compartment having a conical shape and a trunk adapter for docking with the second stage of the launch vehicle, which acts as an untight container to accommodate disposable equipment and goods in it, as well as system radiators cooling and solar panels. The power supply of the spacecraft, as well as on the Soyuz, is provided with the help of batteries and solar batteries. Unlike many developments, including the Boeing CST-100 and the Russian project of the Perspective Manned Transport System, Dragon is almost a monoblock device. He also has another unique feature - fuel tanks, propulsion and other equipment of the aggregate compartment are returned to the ground with the ship.

The spacecraft “Dragon” is created in several versions: cargo (in this version it will be used for the first time), cargo and passenger (crew of 4 people + 2,5 tons of cargo), manned (crew up to 7 people), as well as modifications for autonomous flights (DragonLab). In the DragonLab ship version, it will have a sealed volume of 7 cubic meters and an unpressurized volume of 14 meters. The payload delivered to orbit will be 6 tons. Flight duration from one week to 2 years.

How will Russia respond?

RSC Energia is already working on 3 of the year to create a new spacecraft under the acronym PPTS - a promising manned transport system. The first and so far the only public appearance of the Russian spacecraft took place as part of the MAKS-2011 air show, where the audience got acquainted with its layout. The technical design of the TCP should be submitted in July 2012. Tests of the device in an unmanned version are scheduled to begin in the 2015 year, and the first manned flight is planned at all no earlier than the 2018 year.

The orbital terrestrial version of PPTS - the docking version - must have a mass of 12 tons and accommodate a crew of 6 people and at least 500 kg. payload. This option should be autonomously in space for 5 days. The stand-alone orbital version of the device will already weigh 16,5 tons and contain a group of 4 astronauts and 100 kg. payload. The cargo version of the ship should put into orbit up to 2 tons of payloads and lower to the Earth at least 500 kg.

Perspective manned transport system

Roscosmos states that all manned vehicles will be reusable, and their useful life can be about 15 years, but taking into account the characteristics and shape of the PCA, the capsule itself can hardly withstand more than 10 space flights and back. According to experts, the most complex and expensive version of the spacecraft will be designed for the lunar program, while intermediate options will be able to solve a wide range of tasks. With the help of a manned version of the ship, it is planned to fly in orbit around the Earth, but not only in the horizontal plane (from west to east), but also in the vertical plane (from north to south). That is, flying through the north and south poles of the planet. To date, only satellites have worked in these orbits with a large angle of inclination, and even then by no means all (for the most part military).

At present, there is no complete certainty in Russia with the Angara launch vehicle, which is to put a new ship into orbit. The project, since 1995, is in the testing phase. However, it is clear why Roscosmos is not particularly in a hurry with the creation of a new manned vehicle. At the age of the ISS (up to 2020 of the year), the “Unions” designed as far back as the 60s of the last century should suffice. But then everything is foggy. According to the presented strategy of development of the national astronautics, Russia, more than in 50 years, is going to repeat the feat of the Americans after landing on the Moon. We have Martian ambitions only in the form of a joint project of an automatic station with the European Space Agency.

In conclusion, I would like to say that this year the Chinese are planning to occupy their first own space station, and by the year of 2025 they want to deploy their own base on the moon. It is no coincidence that the current head of NASA, Charles Bolden, believes that it is with China that the United States will be competing through 15 for years, not with Russia.

Sources used:
www.kp.ru/daily/25867.3/2832623/
www.faki.fizteh.ru/index/space_and_robotics/n_d8wj.html?&xsl:onlynew=1
www.membrana.ru/particle/3245
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  1. vadimus
    +18
    April 13 2012 08: 54
    How much has been lost during the years of perestroika ... I really hope that we will remain the first, otherwise I will be ashamed of the generations that have done so much for space exploration ...
    1. +6
      April 13 2012 09: 02
      I am an aptimist in this matter! smile
      1. 755962
        +4
        April 13 2012 09: 52
        There would be a desire and goals. But there are still bright heads. You cannot retreat!
      2. +4
        April 13 2012 10: 59
        and the first manned flight was completely planned no earlier than 2018 of the year.
        How sad it sounds.
        But they forgot to mention that SpaceX is planning to launch a manned launch not earlier than 2020. And then for now from 7 launches 3 crash.
        1. Aleksey67
          +5
          April 13 2012 12: 08
          I like that our Russian scientists turned their eyes back to the moon. Space exploration must be carried out systematically and thoroughly. The child does not start to run right away, crawls first, then walks holding on to the stop, so why space to swing at Mars, when the Moon is unknown and unexplored near by?

          «In 2015, we will launch the lander, in 2016 - the Luna Glob orbiter, and in 2017 - the Luna Resource probe, said Lev Zeleny, director of the Space Research Institute at the Russian Academy of Sciences.

          The scientist explained that the Russian space program has changed its strategy so as not to make the same mistake that happened with Phobos-Grunt, which could not fulfill the task it had to collect soil samples from one of the satellites of Mars, local agencies said.

          «Over the next decade, the moon will be our focus. Luna-Globe is a powerful device, on board of which there is scientific equipment weighing more than 100 kilograms. We will study the exosphere of the moon and conduct astrophysical studies"He pointed out.

          As for the Luna Resource probe, it consists of a platform and drilling equipment. Its development is entrusted to the S. Lavochkin NGO.

          India will develop a Rover launch vehicle and lunar rover for this flight, which will deliver a Russian lander to the surface of the moon.

          The flight organizers set themselves the task of collecting moon dust and preparing the ground for the landing of man on this natural satellite of the Earth. The Russian Space Agency plans to send a man to the moon before 2020, and subsequently build a permanent base.

          Although the Space Research Institute and Roscosmos agreed to repeat the Phobos-Grunt project in the future, the unsuccessful launch of which in November last year was a severe blow to the aerospace industry. Now Russia will give priority to moon exploration.

          Moscow will develop cooperation with the European Space Agency in the framework of the ExoMars Martian research program, which includes the launch of a probe and a self-propelled robot.


          I would like to implement these plans, it only confuses why India will develop launch vehicles request
    2. freedom
      +5
      April 13 2012 12: 09
      But in the 87th, our leaders from outer space declared that in 2000 the Soviet cosmonaut would set foot on Mars. The crew was prepared from 6 people. At the WORLD all questions on a long flight were worked out.
      1. Volkhov
        +2
        April 13 2012 18: 09
        We need to shoot less on plates, agree, because in any case, you need the good to land. Under normal conditions, you can fly on their transport.
        1. Neighbor
          +1
          April 14 2012 09: 24
          Quote: Volkhov
          We need to shoot less on plates, agree, because in any case, you need the good to land.

          First of all, dear Magi, it would be necessary to stop killing each other, to eat animals and to dirt and destroy the land. What other planets can be discussed. After all, look what happens - people have Earth - live on everything ready - forests, water, resources, etc. - use - just keep and take care - after all, everything is already there.
          Now imagine - well, we would have flown to the moon - and we would have "settled down".
          What are the first thoughts that come to mind? Aha - here we have no place to store plutonium. It must be done - to make a nuclear dump on the moon. + all kinds of chemicals. And where you can test nuclear weapons. Nezya on earth means mono on the moon! As a result, they would - and the Moon was dirtied - even worse - than the Earth.
          Something like that! Do not judge strictly - if that. That is my opinion.
          Humanity is not ready - in its mental and moral development for the development of other planets, and even more so - for contacts with other civilizations. Imagine what will happen if a drunk and smoked person kills an alien! belay
          Or shoot him. And what is it about - can they communicate with us? We don’t talk with monkeys! So - they live and live - until they touch us! We’d interfere - long ago we would exterminate them all. So it is there.
          And your comment is a plus. As well as the article. wink
          1. Neighbor
            -4
            April 14 2012 09: 57
            Quote: Volkhov
            You need to shoot less on plates

            It is noteworthy that the astronauts - participating in the lunar program - were armed with machine guns - specially designed for shooting in zero gravity and vacuum. How do you like this? Who were they going to shoot there? Comets or what?
            How arrogant it is to be self-confident. Fly to an alien planet, assuming that there is intelligent life and knowing that this life is hundreds of times more developed - than we are - and take weapons with you! Although the same ambassadors - with us - were never killed - but they were never armed.
            Apparently the answer was that in a certain year - 70s, it seems - 2 plates hung simultaneously over the bases of strategic missiles of Amer and the USSR. And there was a spontaneous activation of the launch of all YaRocket. Miracle then managed to avoid the Apocallipsis earthlings. Mechanics - did not. It is visible - so - the warning was - sit - and do not rock the boat. Live - while we let you - allow.
            And a very interesting question arises - what the hell are we for them? Why do they need us - they allow us to continue living, ruining the planet, killing our own kind? Some kind of experiment? Maybe! Do they have something with us (genetic material - something else)? Maybe!
            Or all the same - does humanity have some kind of lofty goal - a destiny !? Hardly! Indeed, according to scientists, people have destroyed each other more than once. There were Yavoyn more than 5.000 years ago.
            So - it remains for us - only to be born, eat, poop, to breed further - and die. Not far from the monkeys we left. Ours are apparently gene donors.
            1. Neighbor
              -1
              April 14 2012 10: 18
              Quote: Neighbor
              people have destroyed each other more than once. There were Yavoyn more than 5.000 years ago.

              Although - perhaps vice versa - this suggests that we were given another attempt. Trying to achieve something. Peace, tranquility - the triumph of reason and intellect over ambition.
              Although - it is architected. Now, if only in the world, let’s say the Russians, or only the Germans, lived in the world. Indeed, with such a diversity of races and peoples, with so many countries - the world - there will never be - there will always be an aggressor. There will always be wars.
              Based on this - it can be assumed - that Hitler’s ideas and the Amer’s idea of ​​the Golden Billion and Stalin’s idea of ​​communism throughout the world are not so stupid as they seem at first glance.
              Do not judge strictly; let not you be judged! laughing - this is with me - just a flight of imagination and reflection.
              1. +1
                April 30 2014 00: 19
                Neighbor, Volkhov - do you smoke something sick? End this muck before the brains atrophy at all. What are the nuclear war 5000 years ago? Who is this and who was at war with someone? Protoukry with atlantes? Even Ahnenerb didn’t get to such nonsense, although there was plenty of fiction there.
  2. Sarus
    +4
    April 13 2012 09: 10
    We’ll see who will compete with whom ...
    China is undoubtedly strong in engineering. I don’t argue .. But there will never be any unique developments themselves. They have no experience of large space stations on manned flights and moreover, to establish a base on the Moon ...
    Objectively, who can cope with this is the RF + USA .. Nobody else has the experience and resources to do this ...
    So if we don’t throw off all the developments to China, then they won’t succeed ...
    1. +7
      April 13 2012 09: 34
      The PRC has grandmothers, a cheap slave to power and mastery in copying. Moreover, to create the station at the first stage, the experience of 20-30 years ago in Russia is enough.

      Do not underestimate the Chinese.

      What is Russia left with now?
      Old Unions, and attempts to develop a fundamentally new spacecraft?
      If you do not fly to the moon or Mars, why then manned space?
      I do not see Russia's ambitions. In order to achieve something, we must set a goal, and we do not have ambitious goals. In the best case, the third will land on the moon (the first US, then the Chinese, and then maybe Russia).

      Roscosmos - set ambitious goals, the Russians will help, they need them to be proud of their cosmonautics (and not only her)
      1. biglow
        +2
        April 13 2012 16: 23
        China has grandmothers, cheap slave strength and mastery in copying
        this is hardly a reason to be proud of achievements. what will they do when there is nothing to copy
      2. mind1954
        0
        April 14 2012 09: 17
        Yes, you have not seen these cosmetic companies!
        In what condition they are and what kind of contingent there is!
    2. cord
      +3
      April 13 2012 09: 50
      If yes, if only. Russia leaves exclusively for Soviet developments, the backlog of which is enough for commercials, up to about 20 years, and while we threaten with our super-developments, most of which remain on paper, the Chinese just take and do, having furnished Russia and a dozen countries in terms of the number of scientific works.

      China has become the world's number two scientific power, stepping on the heels of the United States. The world map of science is changing rapidly, Western countries are losing ground, players in Southeast Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa are becoming more active, a statistical study by experts from the British Royal Scientific Society showed. Russia's position continues to deteriorate: it is already outside the top ten successful scientific countries. During the analyzed period, Russia lost 24% of its share in total scientific production and, as a result, left the top 10 most productive countries, giving way to India.

      Read in full: http://www.gazeta.ru/science/2011/03/29_a_3568693.shtml

      So, while Popovkin is treating a little head damaged by a bottle in a drunken brawl over a press secretary's model, forum carriers of pink chochkas continue to wave their aging and shrinking fists, threatening with some ephemeral mega-projects and driving on bad roads. Who does not believe - Welkam in a tourist trip to China and see everything yourself. I am afraid that only a break in the template can shock me greatly, as I did last year, and there will come a sobering up from Putin's "Potemkin villages" and endless promises.
      1. +6
        April 13 2012 10: 04
        Dear, there is still such news as experience in everything from design to training, the experience for which is paid in blood .... and this is an established system ... The Chinese still need to create it and fill up cones, because this is space.
        1. cord
          +4
          April 13 2012 10: 16
          I say - go and see what is happening in China now. Their development is rushing like a steam locomotive and all these warnings about stuffing bumps, sounding more and more grotesque in relation to the rapidly maturing superpower. And Putin's Russia resembles an apocalyptic world (at least in Moscow) - everyone walks with cool gadgets made in the "decaying" USA, and bad roads around shit. This is the difference - China has development, Russia has "stability." Bureaucrats. those who travel to Italy to celebrate their chef's birthday with public money, and who publish seven-digit earnings, approve. good
          1. +4
            April 13 2012 14: 18
            In the not too distant future, they will have a lot of problems and see how they deal with them ... their main driving force, cheap labor will turn the other side ... And we have similar problems but the difference in approach to solving .. ..so that everything is known by comparison .... Just take a look ... well, for example, the number of new NPP units put into operation ....
            1. cord
              0
              April 13 2012 19: 21
              Do you know what the problem is for the inhabitants of Russia?) Most live in the city, but they never tire of warning the more developed and richer countries about their gloomy future)) The worst thing that can happen to the ever decaying America, Europe and China is their transformation into modern Russia. With the poverty of a significant part of the population, wild corruption, nepotism, dullness and wretchedness of the surrounding world, collapsed infrastructure and endless lies of those in power, which are over and over again swallowed by gray, downtrodden scoops who are wildly afraid of "no matter what happens." (c) "Wise Gudgeon".
              1. 0
                April 14 2012 15: 59
                Oh, I agree with you.
                Especially many here (on this site) all predict the collapse of either the United States or Europe.
                As if they would be better off.
                Why is there so much bile in people? From envy?
                1. +1
                  April 14 2012 18: 29
                  No ... no bile is just a consequence of their policy on population decline ... it's just that the current generation is aging ... and there are fewer young people ... that's all ... And about the scoop ... dear friend, believe me I have seen a lot of things and come across and see the work of "foreigners" .... it would be better if the Russians worked .... Here is a small example of a funny company "Pharmatom" made an installation for descaling fuel cartridges ... the result was that the shell dissolved ... the fuel spilled out in the aging pool and it turned out to be a critical mass (you have to be very rare and talented) ... they called the Russians, they eliminated everything, no one else took it ... I can tell you a lot ... and they also have corruption ... ..so dear friend, it's good where we are not. Stop finding fault with your country and DUE ...
          2. Volkhov
            0
            April 13 2012 18: 24
            China, the Russian Federation and the United States are part of the same system, it’s just that China has a future as a flood-free territory, and it is being developed, it is no accident that the Rothschilds moved there. The USA is conserving, its prospects are worse, and the Russian Federation is being liquidated, sold out, that they can, the population is rubbing nonsense about super plans, and quite roughly - the myths last for a maximum of a year. Normal corporate governance with a center and branches, only Russians are abnormal as a non-core asset.
      2. Passing
        -5
        April 13 2012 18: 55
        Quote: Kord
        China has become the world's number two scientific power

        What nonsense. Give examples Chinese scientific and technological achievements. Only about the factories built by the West, and stamping consumer goods is not necessary.
        1. cord
          -1
          April 13 2012 19: 17
          Bukhikhy, do you propose to list all thousands of scientific works with a comma?)) I gave you an excerpt and a source, you can, if you knock on Chinese scientists and ask for a complete list of their technical achievements) Or stay in the world of their illusions, thinking that in China crowds of poor slaves working for a bowl of rice, the United States is about to fall apart, Europe is rotting, and Russia has the status of a superpower, where everyone is eager for permanent residence)

          China recognized as the scientific leader of the future

          In terms of the number of published scientific articles, China has almost caught up with the United States, and is highly likely to surpass America in this indicator in the coming years. Such conclusions are made in a new study of the Royal Society of Great Britain (in a sense, an analogue of the Russian Academy of Sciences), which assessed the success of various states in scientific activities. The results of the study Knowledge, Networks and Nations: Global scientific collaboration in the 21st century ("Knowledge, cooperation and countries: world scientific cooperation in the 21st century") are listed on the website of the society, and briefly about them can be read in its press release.
          The authors of the study analyzed several indicators, including the number of articles published in peer-reviewed scientific periodicals (the source of information was the base of scientific articles by Scopus). According to this indicator, the United States has been in first place in the world for many years, however, while between 1993 and 2003, the share of American articles of their total number was 25 percent, then from 2004 to 2008 it fell to 21 percent. A similar percentage in China over the same period increased from 4,4 to 10,2. Thus, the PRC moved from sixth to second place in the world, displacing Great Britain from its position (the percentage of British scientific work fell from 7,1 to 6,5).

          http://lenta.ru/news/2011/03/30/first/
          1. Passing
            +2
            April 13 2012 20: 50
            Quote: Kord
            Or stay to live in the world of their illusions, thinking that in China there are crowds of poor slaves working for a plate of rice,

            It is the crowds of beggars working for food in the villages in particular. Look at China's GDP (PPP) per capita, compared with Russia, the level is two times lower. To better understand this difference, mentally increase your working day to 12 hours, cancel half the holidays and sick leave, cut your real salary twice, and then try to say that you are not a beggar slave working for a cup of rice. wink
            Quote: Kord
            The US is about to fall apart

            Of course, the United States will not fall apart - it will simply unleash the Third World Slaughter in order to avoid bankruptcy and lure competitors. And everything will be fine with them. Those who survive. laughing
            Quote: Kord
            Europe is rotting

            No, I don’t think that Geyropa is rotting, it has already rotted. Any hungry predator - such as barbarians at sunset in Rome, will sweep away these effeminate fagot hamsters. Naturally, first the United States should self-destruct by unleashing WW III.
            Quote: Kord
            By the number of published scientific articles ...

            Oh, these statistics, oh these statistics ... In the late USSR there were a lot of these scientific articles, and the more articles there were, the less the concrete result. Why are you hiding behind these meaningless numbers? Tell me specifically, piece by piece, what exactly did the Chinese discover in science and technology? Well, at least one or two world-class achievements. request
            1. cord
              0
              April 13 2012 21: 15
              By chance, you didn’t start digging trenches in anticipation of the Third World War?) Surprisingly, the Union has already collapsed and there are no many waiting for rotting capitalism alive and brains continue to flow out of a highly developed and comfortable Russia, and the barrel organ still plays. =)
              I can not quote:
              Decaying capitalism (America will soon collapse ™, the spiritless West is mired in sin ™, etc.) is a successful trading brand for stunning enchanting villains in the backward countries who dream of doing everything for them. It is a crazy man dressed in a scientifically-shaped form and a sum over the edge of white-stitched installations, from which, contrary to formal logic and common sense, one thing invariably follows - capitalism is bad, European culture as a product of rotten capitalism is even worse, everything is spiritless, and in general, fu abomination.

              About 12 hours of the working day, the abolition of holidays and other nonsense that you wrote about China, I will not even talk. I can only say that I lived there for three months, in the city of Qingdao, and believe me, all your speculations are similar to drunk bears in ear-flaps that take away vodka from children. wink I’m saying that one must see it all with one’s own eyes to make sure that the current gulf between Russia and the once backward China is simply monstrous and continues to grow. Because there a significant part of the money goes to the economy, and in our case - to the pockets. That's all) Well, about scientific achievements - play the barrel organ!) I can’t name modern scientific achievements neither China, nor Russia, nor the USA, since I don’t follow this in detail, content with news reports, but if it will be easier for you to think that they didn’t even invent wheels there, and all the sources I cited lie - a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck. wink After all, it’s much more convenient to try not to notice what you don’t like than to get a cruel break in the template and admit the obvious. laughing
              1. Passing
                +1
                April 13 2012 22: 51
                Quote: Kord
                Do you happen to dig trenches did not start in anticipation of the Third World?)

                It’s too early, while I’m just preparing myself mentally. And I advise you. wink
                Quote: Kord
                I can only say that I lived there for three months, in the city of Qingdao, and believe me, all your speculations are similar to drunk bears in ear-flaps that take away vodka from children.

                Oh, another office expert who has seen life. I'll tell you a secret - the life of a simple hard worker, at the factory and in the field, is radically different from wiping his pants in a chair. I am telling you this as a person who has worked in several factories and in many offices. Hard workers plow at the machines for 10-12 hours, plus Saturday, otherwise you get a hell of a lot. This rule is true not only for Russia, but at least for China, Korea, Japan. How do I know? About Japan and Korea from TV, this is the common place of their "economic miracle", about China from the stories of a friend who was at small private factories, and just common sense suggests that under classical capitalism a hard worker is a cheap consumable.
                On vacation - somewhere here I met that in the United States an employee in the early years was entitled to only a week of vacation. and you are talking about China, I rave.
                Quote: Kord
                After all, it’s much more convenient to try not to notice what you don’t like than to get a cruel break in the template and admit the obvious.

                Why are you trying to hang fictitious sins on me. Did I say somewhere that China bullshit, and does not represent anything? On the contrary, I believe that China is quite a world-class power. Which does not negate the fact of poverty of the Chinese. And also their serious technological dependence on the West. As well as the fact of the inability of Asians in general, and Chinese in particular, to deep scientific activity. About scientific achievements - look at Japan, Korea, Taiwan, show me their results in science? Where are they? Where ??? They are strong in engineering, in certain areas of applied science, but in Big Science they are full zeros.
                1. +1
                  April 14 2012 16: 05
                  / On vacation - I met somewhere here ... / - Yes, this is certainly a good argument! Somewhere here! maybe there? laughing
                  1. Passing
                    0
                    April 15 2012 14: 25
                    About vacation wrote the US patriot. Therefore, I consider this reliable information.
                2. +1
                  April 30 2014 00: 32
                  Quote: Passing by
                  This rule is true not only for Russia, but also at least for China, Korea, and Japan. How do I know? About Japan and Korea from TV,

                  I spent almost four months in Japan in 1985, saw how they work at Toyota - the ants would get jealous. Not enough vacations, unpaid overtime, voluntary-compulsory participation in quality circles and, of course, your personal rating - the number of improvements submitted. I will not say that everything is bad and inhuman, but the ratio of salary / labor expended is not for our person, and it does not exceed our indicator that much. True, this is from my personal point of view, maybe someone else will not agree, but in fact - such a super race gives little in the field of global scientific ideas. In any case, the Japanese made little world scientific discoveries: a couple of theories in quantum mechanics, a little bit in astrophysics, and perhaps that's all. The rest is cool borrowing and improvement (sometimes beyond recognition) of other people's ideas.
              2. zardoz
                0
                April 14 2012 03: 08
                Why did they spend only three months there. Why didn’t they stay there? The comrade spoke mainly of the rural population ...
            2. 0
              April 14 2012 16: 03
              Damn, in vain I put you a plus. Another predictor of the collapse of the West. And that they have already rotted completely.
              1. Passing
                0
                April 15 2012 14: 35
                World wars are an objective reality. And it happens from a critical level of accumulated problems. Insoluble problems in the world have accumulated the sea, the habit of solving problems by force is an objective reality. WW III is inevitable.
          2. BMW
            BMW
            +2
            April 14 2012 02: 17
            To hell with this China, excerpt from the correspondence of people in Russia:
            - change the country ....
            - Damn, I would love to .................. Where are we going?
            - how do you look at USA, well, at the edge of Singapore or Dubai?
            - Maybe, after all, the old woman Europe?)))
            - let's tear to Amsterdam!
            - Don’t argue, let’s come to us, and from here all together - to the old woman Europe!
            - Well, to Europe, then to Europe.
            - Better to Europe. I judge in the suburbs: Gorelovo, Neelovo, Bad harvest identity.
            In short, We will be glad to see us everywhere
            - Hurray, we are going to Amsterdam. Goodbye not washed Russia. Get together, take a car and bring nafig to Europe
            - I'm already on the suitcase)))))))))) Do you need to collect the second?))))))))))
            - no time, bring down as is
            - time to collect stones, pah, tear claws ...))) Amsterdam-option!
            - what kind of suitcases? What are you talking about?))) It's light, everything is there)))
            - moreover, that's all, everything is there)))))))))))) can be with us in the city, where everything is possible ??????)))))))))))))
            What kind of future for Russia are you talking about? They only want to steal from us and flee to a prosperous west. When communicating with people, you understand that no one wants to live in this country: children are taught and sent to live and work in other countries by any means — the future intellectual elite is leaving.
            1. An acceptable life in old age - is already absent and will not improve - this was officially announced by the government.
            2. Health care - 5-10 years and will be paid, but means inaccessible 3/4 of the population.
            3. Education - 5-10 years and will be paid, but means inaccessible 3/4 of the population.
            4. Army - in 10-15 years it will cease to be a deterrent and combat-ready unit.
            The next six years will show whether Russia as a state will exist at all, and you are about flights to Mars and the Moon.
            We cannot build a large-capacity fleet, unit construction of a medium- and small-capacity fleet.
            We cannot build civil aviation - the happy exception of the SSJ-100, and only thanks to the west, military aviation is small-scale production, which is turning into piece production.
            Cosmos is a complete kerdyk, as soon as the Americans create their ship, we will not start making money - Roscosmos can be dissolved in 10 years.
            The leader of the domestic automobile industry KamAZ switches to assembly from foreign components - the domestic engine building is coming to an end. AvtoVAZ - does not even want to organize licensed production, but sculpts trash 30-40 years ago.
            Wherever you spit, you’ll fall into the arrogant, sleek face of an official with the innocent look of a baby (in newborn children, their faces are even smarter).
            I do not work in my specialty, I lose qualifications, I really miss my past work. Having survived the 90s, the industry has bent by 2011. Draw your own conclusion. There remains the last hope for GDP, only some gloomy and not inspiring.
            1. -2
              April 14 2012 16: 11
              About VAZ is already outdated!
              And what about the respected minuses you brought?
              You have a strange vision of facts and a peculiar vision of events and their interpretation. Anyway, it turns out ... well. fellow Maybe you have problems at work? Or do the results of past years not satisfy? Or maybe in the family what?
              I will not list the advantages, because with your upside-down thinking, you interpret them there as Russia's shortcomings.
  3. Mr. Truth
    +2
    April 13 2012 11: 18
    The most promising Earth-orbit ship is, in my opinion, a system of a hypersonic accelerator aircraft and a light aircraft for 5-7 people.
    And for interplanetary and outer space, of course you need a nuclear engine.
  4. +1
    April 13 2012 11: 33
    "It is no coincidence that the current head of NASA, Charles Bolden, believes that it is with China that in 15 years the United States will compete in space, not with Russia."
    It seems to me that the PRC will compete in space with Russia since in America there is now a space crisis (in every sense).
  5. Num lock U.A.
    +1
    April 13 2012 11: 49
    "calm before the storm", it looks like we will soon observe (and preferably still participate) in a new "space race"
  6. Dust
    +7
    April 13 2012 12: 17
    And what will Russia answer?
    Were leaders - and what have you achieved in recent years? I well remember the projects presented at almost every exhibition - well, where are they now? Already no one remembers ...
  7. vostok
    +8
    April 13 2012 12: 25
    We have lost the leading position in space, work as taxi drivers, take tourists into orbit. Against this background, Roscosmos wants to land on the Moon and Mars, really only on what? And when? Well, if only on Lada Kalina then very soon.
    1. +1
      April 13 2012 14: 25
      Is it bad to be such a taxi driver? You just need not to stand still and develop ....
  8. dred
    -5
    April 13 2012 12: 49
    Well, ours is always ahead of the rest of the planet in the area of ​​xomos.
  9. +5
    April 13 2012 13: 23
    Article +.
    But the aftertaste was left by the launch of the telecommunications satellite and Phobos Grunt (the launch of which, I personally expected after a similar unsuccessful Soviet project and which ended even faster). That's the whole real level of Russian cosmonautics for which it is frankly insulting. Without recognizing the deplorable level of Russian science, we will not fix anything.
    But China doesn’t know how much, it’s a lot of rubbing, but - this is the USSR of the 50’s, when we did everything. Including in space.
    1. Nickname
      0
      April 14 2012 20: 27
      Dementium to you +. Yes Phobos is a signal to us to think. And the rest is distorted by Roskosmos. This is the only industry that has remained afloat after the perestroika, and for fun thanks to the Americans, which Roskosmos paid wink
  10. +4
    April 13 2012 13: 25
    At present, in Russia there is no complete certainty with the Angara launch vehicle, which should launch a new ship into orbit.

    To avoid copyright infringement, post a hyperlink to the original article: http://topwar.ru/13397-na-chem-poletyat-v-kosmos-sleduyuschee-pokolenie-kosmonav
    tov.html


    Just with the "Angara" launch vehicle family, the uncertainty is only in the specific terms of production and dispatch to Plesetsk. It is planned in 2013. Work at the Khrunichev State Research and Production Center is in full swing.
    You can see it here
    My webpage
  11. +1
    April 13 2012 13: 30
    And only in the field of ballet we are ahead of the rest! ... One thing is good, what else are we doing cool weapons and not only our devices are falling, today the North Korean rocket has fallen.
  12. Pravdoruba
    +1
    April 13 2012 13: 38
    I support the previously expressed person. Russia should be in front of the entire planet. There are still talents, patriots of the country. You just need to direct the country in the right direction so that everyone is proud of the country and works with full dedication. Then on MARS apple trees will bloom.
    Well, what will help RUSSIA?
    1. cord
      0
      April 13 2012 14: 19
      Pfft, and how are YOU going to help Russia? Pathetic speeches on forums? So tomorrow these speeches will sink into oblivion. To help the state, it is necessary to cut off those who hinder and hinder its development. And the body that is responsible for development is called "government". And it consists of various officials. And among our bureaucrats there are such types as Popovkin, Serdyukov, Nabiullina, Fursenko and many others. Popovkin, even before he got a bottle in the head in an epic drunken battle for a model-secretary, had already distinguished himself in his previous appointments! Even if we omit the fact that this is such a disgrace that even I am ashamed, he HAD to leave after the whole series of spacecraft launch files sent to the ocean, to the taiga. And Serdyukov? For one g * vnoform, fading after the first wash and which is sewn anyhow, with complete lack of control, it would have to be thrown out. Fursenko .... well, no comment. For the useless introduction of the Unified State Exam from the whole series of scandals, I hope it will burn in hell. And of course. the cherry on the cake is Putin ... Greedy, psychotic and finally went crazy, turned from a politician, who after EBN prayed for the Russians who believed in change, into an average static tsar-dictator who burned out all healthy opposition, and cynically, through his puppet, rewriting for themselves the Constitution and extending the powers. went for another term under the old hurdy-gurdy of promises of a radiant life and who wants to create for himself, in his old age, a stable swamp so that nothing changes: so that oil / gas is pumped in the same way, hangers-on from EdRa would sit in parliament, who would play their iPhones and stupidly assented to their master and people went to putings for 500 rubles / hour and threw caps in the air. Idyll.
      1. BMW
        BMW
        +1
        April 13 2012 15: 05
        Another six years of "stability" and the end of Mother Russia. If VVP is not who it claims to be, not like Mars or the Moon, we will receive television and communications from other people's satellites. These six years will show: either pan - or gone. "To be or not to be, that is the question?" - the main question in Russia 2012-2018.
        The most offensive - they changed the constitution in violation of the constitution and not one opposition prostitute did not blather.
  13. Pravdoruba
    +2
    April 13 2012 14: 47
    I knew that the conversation would go into politics. As a person far from politics, I believe that of course a lot depends on the president, but even more depends on each of us. If a person does not pull the assigned task or has failed, it should be changed, and not wait for "manual" control, looking back at whatever president, they say, when he arrives he will make a decision. And if he doesn't come ???
    1. BMW
      BMW
      0
      April 13 2012 15: 08
      Question - who will change? After all, the hand is washing the hand.
  14. Nechai
    +3
    April 13 2012 15: 03
    Quote: Ascetic
    At the GKNPC them. Khrunichev work is in full swing.

    Yes, and TsSKB "Progress" does not sleep. They are now shaking down the "docking" parameters with the developers of the output payloads, as they say. And there you look and in Blagoe production, or in Belogorsk, in general, closer to "Vostochny" is deployed.
    And the Chinese still have a lot of work to overcome the biophysical difficulties defined by race. This is not some kind of phobia, it is a given. There are racial differences. In space, in zero gravity, they manifest themselves much more clearly. They have a negative orientation for them.
    1. +3
      April 13 2012 15: 55
      Quote: Nechai
      In space, in zero gravity, they manifest themselves much more clearly. They have a negative orientation for them.


      Even with overloads, their man, in comparison with ours, looks a pity that was more than once confirmed by such a term as "Chinese pilot" Chinese pilots on the MIG-15 were inferior in battle to the Amers on the F-86 Saber because the MIG-15 \ 17 had no hydraulics and was physically weak a pilot (Asian) can hardly control such a machine with extra sound. If Russian tough men had controlled MIGs, the results of the battles of these machines would have been radically different.
  15. Pablomc
    -5
    April 13 2012 16: 06
    Keep your fingers crossed for private American companies!
    I really hope that they will succeed and they will again be the first in the market and non-state trend.

    April 30, CNN will need to see the start :)
    1. 0
      April 14 2012 00: 45
      Yes, nothing sensible they can do. A spaceship is not a private cottage to rebuild. Without half a century of experience, like ours, nothing will come out
  16. Pravdoruba
    +2
    April 13 2012 16: 17
    Like Pablo you write under the Russian flag, and
    "cross your fingers for American companies"
    It turns out badly to say the least ...
    1. cord
      -2
      April 13 2012 19: 27
      And what, it is necessary to gloat and pray that nothing happens? Happiness - the cow died at the neighbor. Like, since everything falls for us, let it fall for them, right? But for example, I’m interested in progress, new technical innovations, interesting research, articles, and since ours can do nothing but carry astronauts on Soviet-designed ships and sink devices designed to study other planets, let it work for those who really want it and deserves it. And then, if you wait until Popovkin heals his head, broken by a bottle, fight corruption in departments, create modern conditions for scientists to work and eliminate headaches - the world will return to the Middle Ages.
      1. -1
        April 14 2012 16: 18
        Everything has a measure. And then something he has joy full of pants!
        We don’t hold fingers for our enterprises, but do you propose for them here ???
  17. +3
    April 13 2012 20: 13
    At the beginning of the article, the question is correctly posed - where and why to fly??
    Piloted astronautics business -100% unprofitable, while there are no radically new means to exit, at least to the reference orbit ~ 200 km.
    The "Angara" launch vehicle will not help here (it is already more expensive than gold), and with such economic / energy efficiency you will not fly beyond the near-earth orbit.
    1. Volkhov
      0
      April 14 2012 06: 50
      Fly to Russia from Russia. In 91, one of the radically new means was replaced by waste paper precisely because of the decomposition of the Kremlin, these moral ones do not deserve high-level technology, and this opinion is unlikely to be single.
  18. patriot2
    +2
    April 13 2012 20: 47
    For the development of astronautics, our country is taking standard forward steps. But the rocket engine and turbojet engines in their parameters have maximum restrictions on the payload being put into orbit.
    The future is not theirs. Therefore, it is necessary to carry out work on the creation of other engines and methods of reaching low Earth orbit.
    1. PabloMsk
      0
      April 18 2012 17: 02
      Pipelats does not fly without a gravitsapa

      Gaseous-propelled rocket engines - an anachronism. For the development of astronautics, we need first of all fundamentally new engines.
      It seems that humanity has not yet matured.
  19. Anubis
    0
    April 14 2012 10: 36
    Space programs are the pinnacle of technology. And if not the development of these same technologies, then there will be no progress in space programs. Failure with phobos-soil is a clear indication. There, the same Chinese started developing their program not from scratch, but only creating a decent technological base. One should take an example from them - only the general development of science and technology allows us to hope for progress in the field of space exploration. And then for the same Angara, we do not have our own electronics and when it appears - is not known.
  20. +1
    April 14 2012 15: 50
    And on board it is written in Russian in white "DEVIL" wassat
  21. Stasi.
    +1
    April 14 2012 17: 42
    I agree, it is necessary to begin space exploration from the moon. She is the springboard for launch into deep space. Also the Moon is a pantry of resources. For space exploration it is necessary to solve the following tasks: to create a fundamentally new spacecraft capable of making reusable flights into space and withstand overloads; fundamentally new space engines capable of developing at least light speed; learn to control gravity, solve the problem of weightlessness in the ship. Only by solving these problems, mankind will be able to explore the cosmos.
    1. Nickname
      +1
      April 14 2012 20: 31
      There are no resources there. The instinct tells. And there are evil aliens. And you have to poke in there very, very thoughtfully. Either friends, or ...
  22. PabloMsk
    0
    April 18 2012 17: 04
    Pipelats does not fly without a gravitsapa.

    Gaseous-propelled rocket engines are already an anachronism. For the development of astronautics, we need first of all fundamentally new engines.
    It seems that we have not grown up to that yet - we have stuck into this "wall".

    "Now the leadership is not Korolev"
    Cosmonaut Yuri Baturin on the modern space industry


    In an interview with Gazeta.Ru, pilot-cosmonaut Yuri Baturin, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Director of the Institute for the History of Natural Science and Technology of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and former Assistant to the President of Russia, spoke about the crisis of ideas in space exploration, manned flight to Mars and artificial astronauts.


    Read in full: http://www.gazeta.ru/science/2012/04/18_a_4555345.shtml

    "Now the leadership is not Korolev"
    Cosmonaut Yuri Baturin on the modern space industry


    In an interview with Gazeta.Ru, pilot-cosmonaut Yuri Baturin, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Director of the Institute for the History of Natural Science and Technology of the Russian Academy of Sciences, and former Assistant to the President of Russia, spoke about the crisis of ideas in space exploration, manned flight to Mars and artificial astronauts.


    Read in full: http://www.gazeta.ru/science/2012/04/18_a_4555345.shtml
  23. +1
    April 30 2014 00: 50
    Though the question is - Where to fly and what to fly on? - and set correctly, but first you need to clearly answer the question - Why fly? What will the base on the moon or on Mars give, besides billions of dollars? Mythical natural resources? And who said that they are there? So far, even water (sorry, traces of water) is determined only by spectral methods. I don’t even want to talk about helium-3: its use as a thermonuclear fuel is currently not even considered theoretically - the temperature threshold is even higher than for traditional deuterium-tritium fuel. And with him, too, is not so simple as we would like.

    But suppose there are resources there. And there are a lot of them. How to deliver them to Earth? Even Jules Verne didn’t come up with a space-scale pipeline (he is still a science fiction, not a schizophrenic), space trucks once in 1000000 are less efficient than native tankers and ore carriers. I'm not talking about how much resources (metallurgical and chemical) should be used and what damage (including irreparable) must be done to nature in order to deliver these cat's tears to Mother Earth?

    So, IMHO, all extraterrestrial expeditions (at least in the next three to four centuries) will make sense only in terms of research. This is also not a little - after all, many scientific discoveries began with a simple question "What is there?" It is from this stove that one must dance, and not discuss the colonies on Mars and the Moon.
  24. 0
    24 February 2015 10: 29
    Well, the Ketais will not soon catch up with the United States and Russia. 6 have money, but they can only steal technology from technology.