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Hetzer tank destroyer through the eyes of the German captain and the newspaper rout of the Reds

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As is known, the Czech industry during the Great Patriotic War made a huge contribution to equipping the German army with military equipment. Perhaps the most significant role of highly skilled and industrious Czech designers, engineers and workers have played in providing armored vehicles to Germany.

Out of seventeen tank of the Wehrmacht divisions that participated in the attack on the USSR in the summer of 1941, six were armed with Czech-made tanks Pz. 35 (t) and Pz. 38 (t).

At that time, they accounted for almost a third of the German tank fleet. In addition, the Czech armored vehicles were in service with the armies of Slovakia, Romania and Hungary - allies of Hitler. Later, when the Czech tanks were rapidly becoming obsolete, Czech manufacturers reoriented to the production of self-propelled guns.

One of these self-propelled gifts Fuhrer - "Hetzer". This name was assigned to the car at the direction of Hitler. Among the options for translating the name into Russian, the word “Huntsman” is often used.

"Hetzer" (or Jagdpanzer 38) was developed by the Czechoslovak firm BMM on the chassis of a light tank PzKpfw 38 (t) at the end of 1943 - early 1944 years as a cheaper and mass replacement of assault guns StuG III, but was reclassified as a tank destroyer, is intended to first of all for the acquisition of anti-tank units of infantry and cavalry divisions.

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Performance characteristics:
Mass: 16 t.
Dimensions:
Length 6,38 m., Width 2,63 m., Height 2,17 m.
Crew: 4 people.
Reservations: from 8 to 60 mm.
Armament: 75-mm gun StuK 39 L / 48, 7,92-mm MG-34 or MG-42 machine gun
Ammunition: 41 projectile, 1200 ammunition.
Engine: 6-cylinder carburetled liquid-cooled engine Praga AE, hp power 160
Maximum speed: on the highway - 40 km / h
Power reserve: 180 km.

You lost nothing by playing a little in the infantry

Heinz Kün is one of those who happened to fight on the Czech Hetzers and command them. Prior to that, he spent most of the war in anti-tank artillery (Site "I remember", section "Allies and opponents"):
“My first weapon was the 37-mm gun, which on the Eastern front from the first days proved its almost complete uselessness. It got to the point that they were forced to retrain for infantry - they fired from the MG, carbines. For example, when I was in the 188 Battalion of the 88 Infantry Army, we, however, were listed as tank destroyers, but because weapon absent, we were given the infantry. The commander was, I remember, one infantry captain, originally from Darmstadt. So, he told me then: “You didn’t lose anything by playing a little in the infantryman. You learn a lot of useful things. ” He was right. I learned a lot in infantry, among other things, in terms of shooting. The infantryman has a heightened sense of advance, unlike a tank destroyer, usually located somewhat behind, they are more likely to assess the danger. He must clearly imagine where the enemy is. ”

The fact that on the Eastern front the 37-mm gun was almost useless, Kühn was clearly convinced by the first meetings with the T-34 or KV.

The French 47-mm gun in the winter immediately failed

Later, he gained a lot of experience, which allowed him to evaluate the weapon he received and his suitability for the Eastern Front: “After that he was armed with an 75-mm anti-tank gun - this is already a serious weapon. The guns were transported by 10 - 12-ton tractors, usually from Maybach, but there were other factories. Even later, they switched to self-propelled chassis based on outdated tanks. During the re-formation in France, we were armed with captured French weapons, absolutely unsuitable for the war in the East — we had to give up everything after returning to Ukraine. For example, the French had a rubber run. He could only move on a very good road. It was worth the rain - and he was already skidding. The French 47-mm gun in the winter immediately failed, unable to withstand frost. The French motorcycles, unlike the low German ones, were tall - the motorcyclist was an excellent target. ”

Due to the low landing, "Ranger" were less vulnerable

And at the final stage of the war, he had a chance to get acquainted with the products of Czech masters: “At the end of the war, in Kurland, he fought as part of the 731 divisional anti-tank battalion on the Eherei (Hetzer -“ Hetzer ”), self-propelled on the chassis of the Czech tank - factory“ Skoda ", armed with 75-mm cannon and MG machine gun 34. Due to the low landing, the “Rangers” were less vulnerable - shells usually flew over us without touching - and perfectly camouflaged the terrain using small heights - the landscape in Kurland was hilly ... There were four cars in each platoon, they were approximately in combat a hundred meters from each other, sometimes this distance was long — it depended on the specific conditions of the area. ” He recalled the characteristic shortcomings of the Hetzer: “Too closely inside, weak side armor, for reloading the machine gun it was necessary to get out of the tank.”

There are other disadvantages of the Hetzer. The gun had the most minimal angles of horizontal guidance (16 degrees) among all German self-propelled guns. The commander had a bad review.

But at the same time, the Hetzer was a serious enemy in the melee, very dangerous during ambush operations.
In addition to his memories, Kün referred to a note from the 16 Army Field Paper from 4 in March 1945, describing a successful battle that the Germans won under his command:

“To repel the enemy’s breakthrough in the front section of the Rhine-Westphalian infantry division, seven“ Rangers ”(tank destroyers) and three self-propelled guns of Sturmgeshütz under the command of 24-year-old hauptman (captain) Kühn from Deutzen near Borne were involved. Their task was to support the Fusilier company counterattack. Fuzilery occupy the original position. At lunch, on the hilly, dug-out shells, the main line of defense is the “Ranger” and the self-propelled gun of Sturmgeshütz. After a brief massive strike by our artillery, tank destroyers led by the commander suddenly appear in front of enemy trenches - and the first shells of the Huntsmen in the ranks of the Bolsheviks are already falling. Captured by surprise, the paralyzed reds (Sowjets) stare at the fearsome "Ranger", not noticing how the SAU of Sturmgeshütz sneak up on them. And here they stand on their right flank, firing from all trunks. Simultaneously with the loud “Hurray!” Fusilers hit the enemy’s flank, their machines gather a rich harvest among the running Bolsheviks. Headlongs jump out of the trenches and the rest of the red (Sowjets), trying to escape across the field into the forest. But here, too, they are overtaken by shells and machine-gun firemen of the “Huntsmen” ... A considerable number of killed and even more wounded Bolsheviks testify to the bitterness of the battle. Four prisoners, six machine guns and many small arms were captured. The battlefield is behind us, the enemy breakthrough has been eliminated. “With redoubled selflessness, the soldiers fulfilled their task, with each shot they revenge with red (Sowjets) for what they do in our homeland with our women and children.”

"Touches", of course, a reference to the insults of women and children, for which it is necessary to avenge "red." The fact that the "red" in previous years had accumulated a lot of reasons for revenge, the Germans did not remember.

And it is very unpleasant to read the description of the defeat of the Soviet unit. Alas, it is very similar to the truth. A German front-line journalist does not write about participation in the battle of Soviet tanks and guns, about their destruction or capture. And without tanks or artillery shells our infantrymen could not resist the attack of 10 armored units with infantry ...

The first self-propelled self-propelled guns "Hetzer" (Jagdpanzer 38) left the gates of the VMM plant in April 1944. All in all, the Czechs managed to manufacture 2827 for Hitler of such machines - perfectly masked tank destroyers. Over how many Soviet tanks they destroyed and killed the infantrymen, it’s not customary to think about it, either in our country or in the Czech Republic. Must be for reasons of tolerance.
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  1. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 05: 59
    10
    In the place of the Czechs, other peoples would act like that, work for the Germans and not arise. So in vain the Czechs are constantly accused of working for the Germans, all the others would behave the same way in their place.
    1. apro
      apro 23 December 2017 06: 37
      32
      The Czechs had a choice, in the year 38 to fight for their homeland and defeat Germany, and they had chances, but they made their choice, so it’s not worth it to justify.
      And the self-propelled gun turned out to be successful in all respects, both military and technical, and budgetary. And stood in the service until the 1970s in Switzerland, they would not teach bad.
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 06: 59
        18
        Yes, they had no chance after Munich, they all betrayed them, and the Union could not help. So do not invent.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 23 December 2017 09: 14
          10
          Quote: Mu Dialer
          Yes, they had no chance after Munich, they all betrayed them, and the Union could not help. So do not invent.

          Their own army for 38 years was not much weaker than the German.
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 09: 27
            +5
            Apparently stronger than French and Polish, right? :-)
            Moreover, the French and Poles had allies, but the Czechs did not have them. Plus and Poles, along with the Germans, opposed the Czechs. Yes, and the Hungarians are possible (although I’m not sure about that - I don’t remember about the behavior of the Hungarians in 38-39).
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 28 December 2017 05: 02
              +3
              And who said that the French and Polish at 38 were weaker than the German?
              Czechoslovakia was packed into the allies of the USSR, Poland did not allow the passage of troops, and they themselves chose the English-French “guarantees”.
          2. svp67
            svp67 23 December 2017 16: 43
            10
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Their own army for 38 years was not much weaker than the German.

            If not equal. The Germans would have washed their face with great blood. You look at more already and could not swing.
            1. mvg
              mvg 24 December 2017 00: 07
              +1
              Do not invent .. Maximum wash your face with blood ... Neither such technology, nor experience, nor tactics, nor Soyuznikoff. Just in the place of the Czech Republic a funnel would appear.
              1. svp67
                svp67 24 December 2017 08: 33
                +6
                Quote: mvg
                Neither such technology, nor experience, nor tactics, nor alliedkoff.

                Who told you this? The weapon was, most of which was OWN. Experience, modern, the use of the masses of tank troops, so no one really had it, there were only theories and experience of the last war, and the Czechs had it. Moreover, the various, including civilian, partisan warfare in Russia. And at the expense of an ally, if the Czechs showed tenacity, according to the old European tradition, the allies would appear immediately. So moreover, one was definitely
                The mutual assistance agreement between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and the Republic of Czechoslovakia (Smlouva o vzajemne pomoci mezi republikou Ceskoslovenskou a Svazem Sovetskych Socialistickych republik) is an agreement signed in Prague on May 16, 1935 by authorized representatives of the USSR and Czechoslovakia.
                The parties undertook to conduct immediate consultations in the event of a threat or danger of an attack by a European state on the USSR or Czechoslovakia and to provide mutual assistance in case of direct aggression against the contracting states.
                1. mvg
                  mvg 24 December 2017 11: 15
                  +2
                  Dear, I read and watched it all. But immediately only a comparison comes to mind: both the French army, and even reinforced by the English contingent, and the Polish ... also, on paper, were at least no worse.
                  A "Desert Storm" .. a coalition against Iraq ... and the experience of the Araps, like a fool shag .. And what in the end .. Dunkirk and the Bombings in the Persian Gulf. The Czechs had no aircraft, and the Soviet Union would not have helped, they themselves were just getting on their knees. In Spain, many reminded?
                  1. IL-18
                    IL-18 26 December 2017 00: 22
                    +5
                    The Czechs had aviation. And its own, produced at Czech aircraft factories, which then worked shockingly at the Germans. Artillery, tanks, self-propelled guns, rifle, Wehrmacht did not disdain to receive. Cars, food are also needed for war. They had everything, and all this was then used against us.
                    1. mvg
                      mvg 26 December 2017 20: 15
                      +1
                      On the paper there were 1500 aircraft ... To say how many "papers" passed for 41 years in the USSR? Or google? The Czech Republic would also be captured in a month or two .. like France .. only the Czechs would not have thought that the winner would share with the future war.
                2. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 28 December 2017 05: 08
                  +3
                  Czechoslovakia then generally surpassed the Germans, therefore, before surrendering Czechoslovakia, they surrendered the Sudeten region in which they were fortified, then they inflated Slovak separatism and separated Slovakia, taking advantage of the fact that the Czechs themselves crushed Slovaks before that, then the Czech Republic itself began to give way in two, and from the capital of which the Germans were half an hour away without pillboxes and traffic jams.
          3. Dead duck
            Dead duck 23 December 2017 17: 05
            11
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Their own army at 38 was not much weaker than the German

            We can assume that they were on equal terms.
            After the partition and robbery, Germany decided to play war games.
            Quote: Mu Diazwon
            but the Czechs did not have them.

            They had an agreement with the pshek, they decided to throw them and sit out.
            But then they all turned sideways.
        2. Conductor
          Conductor 23 December 2017 12: 14
          14
          Google, the Czech army in 1938, the composition, armament and Wehrmacht, the Czechs could very well exhaust the Germans and possibly make them go to the world, but there was no desire and order to fight.
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 12: 34
            +3
            Yeah, yeah ... I believe :-)

            Google the armies of Poland, France, Great Britain, etc. :-)
            1. Conductor
              Conductor 23 December 2017 15: 10
              +3
              it’s well known, but they didn’t play against the new German tactics, but the Czechs had some URs on the border, but Poland didn’t, they simply went around Maginos, but what about the British? they won the battle for Britain, and Dunkirk, but they left heavy weapons, but they pulled out the backbone of the army.
              1. Mu Dialer
                Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 22: 51
                +1
                The Germans would have captured Czechoslovakia in a maximum of a couple of weeks, or even faster, IMHO. The territory of the Czech Republic was surrounded by Reich on three sides, plus Poles and Hungarians.
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 28 December 2017 05: 12
                  +2
                  With the Sudeten fortified area and until Slovakia broke away - no.
                  And Czechoslovakia was disarmed by “peaceful initiatives” while Germany was arming itself.
                  1. Mu Dialer
                    Mu Dialer 28 December 2017 06: 44
                    0
                    And what, from the south to Prague it was impossible to get out of the territory of the former Austria?
                    1. Dalailama
                      Dalailama 28 December 2017 06: 56
                      0
                      No, there were also fortified positions there.
          2. reg
            reg 26 December 2017 23: 55
            +1
            Quote: Conductor
            Czech army in 1938, composition, weapons and Wehrmacht

            In 1938, the Czech army was not. There was an army of Czechoslovakia. At the first shots, this army would have scattered in different directions, and then would begin to sort things out among themselves.
        3. svp67
          svp67 23 December 2017 16: 42
          12
          Quote: Mu Diazwon
          Yes, they had no chance after Munich, they were all betrayed, and the Union could not help.
          They didn’t even try. And they signed an agreement with the Union, according to which we had to come to their aid, in case of a request, moreover, Soviet weapons began to arrive in Czechoslovakia, in particular SB bombers. It is foolish to rewrite history, but in its present version the Czechs showed themselves not from the best side ...
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 22: 46
            0
            The union with Czechoslovakia did not border and could come to the rescue only with the consent of other countries, but there was no agreement. The Union did not border with Germany then either. Learn the materiel.
            1. svp67
              svp67 24 December 2017 08: 34
              +2
              Quote: Mu Diazwon
              The union with Czechoslovakia did not border and could come to the rescue only with the consent of other countries, but there was no agreement. The Union did not border with Germany then either. Learn the materiel.

              There was a complex system of agreements, in which, in the event of such a request from the Czech Republic to the USSR, France ... and then all other European countries joined these agreements.
              1. Mu Dialer
                Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 09: 06
                0
                France? After Munich? Hehe :-)
                1. svp67
                  svp67 24 December 2017 09: 11
                  +3
                  Quote: Mu Diazwon
                  France? After Munich? Hehe :-)

                  Diplomacy is still a "corrupt girl", today one ... tomorrow another ....
                  1. Mu Dialer
                    Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 09: 59
                    +2
                    So the Czechs did not have a single ally. Well, why did they have to fight in such a situation? They were not masochists. Plus, there was a hope that Hitler would keep his word, limit himself to the Sudetenland and leave the Czechs alone.
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 24 December 2017 10: 31
                      +5
                      Quote: Mu Diazwon
                      So the Czechs did not have a single ally.

                      How does it differ from the USSR on June 22, 1941
                      Quote: Mu Diazwon
                      .Well, why did they have to fight in such a situation?

                      I think that on May 9, 1945, our great-grandfathers gave a FULL answer to this question.
                      1. Mu Dialer
                        Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 14: 09
                        +1
                        You already note NG or what? Or simply inadequate in life?
                        Compare also Liechtenstein with the USA.
                        And, by the way, the allies of the Soviets were already drawn on June 22, unlike the case with the Czechs at 38.
      2. Kent0001
        Kent0001 23 December 2017 13: 50
        13
        Do you know why in the Czech Republic all the ancient buildings are intact since the Middle Ages? They never defended themselves, and always surrendered to the stronger. Such is the people. Moreover, one understanding friend explained this to me, he lived in the Czech Republic and often went there.
        1. LastPS
          LastPS 24 December 2017 08: 50
          +1
          Yes, of course - read about the Hussites.
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 26 December 2017 00: 27
            +2
            After which the Czechs made conclusions.
    2. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 23 December 2017 06: 56
      +5
      Well, the French are clearly the exception (not all stumps are ash), since they were able to make a more “accurate” gun that stopped working in the cold, it worked at -10, but at -12 laughing . In general, the engineers tried to shut off the Germans themselves and substitute the Germans, because you can always refer to "testing was carried out, here are the results, how did we know that there were frosts under -50!" In general, rumors about our "wild frosts" are growing from that. hi
      1. dog breeder
        dog breeder 23 December 2017 07: 19
        +7
        All their weapons, tactics and strategy were sharpened under the blitzkrieg, i.e. quick war. At that time, Russia, after the upheavals of the first third of the twentieth century, from abroad seemed backward, weak, in comparison with the countries of old Europe. Yes, in general, this was the case in most aspects of the life of the Soviet Union. Even the latest developments of that time, by the beginning of the Second World War, were not implemented. To all, there were not enough resources and raw materials. And if the selflessness of the peoples of the USSR was supported materially and technically at the proper level, I think that there would be no Lend-Leases and a second front, with less losses and in a shorter time.
        1. reg
          reg 26 December 2017 23: 59
          0
          Quote: dog breeder
          Russia at that time

          THE USSR.
          Quote: dog breeder
          after the upheavals of the first third of the twentieth century, from abroad it seemed backward, weak, in comparison with the countries of old Europe.

          But the USSR was not like that?
          Quote: dog breeder
          Yes, in general, this was the case in most aspects of the life of the Soviet Union.

          That's it.
          Quote: dog breeder
          And if the selflessness of the peoples of the USSR was supported materially and technically at the proper level, I think that there would be no Lend-Leases and a second front, with less losses and in a shorter time.

          And you are a big dreamer. The Germans in 1913-17 even tsarist Russia was completely rolled out. Which was much stronger than the USSR. And this is secondary forces, as their main forces fought on the Western Front.
      2. Kot_Kuzya
        Kot_Kuzya 23 December 2017 12: 13
        +5
        Actually, France has a marine climate, the average January temperature in Paris is +4, and the absolute minimum is -24. http://pogodaiklimat.ru/climate2/07149.htm
        In Moscow, for example, the average January temperature is -7, and the absolute minimum is -42. In Paris very rarely there are frosts below -5, just as in Moscow very rarely there are frosts below -30.
    3. zulusuluz
      zulusuluz 24 December 2017 07: 51
      0
      So in vain the Czechs are constantly accused of working for the Germans, all the others would have behaved the same way in their place.

      Why did the occupied republics of the USSR not work for the Wehrmacht?
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 08: 31
        0
        Even how they worked.
        1. zulusuluz
          zulusuluz 24 December 2017 20: 23
          0
          Partisan ???
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 02: 37
            0
            And what, all partisan?
            Especially, Estonians, apparently? Yes, and others.
            1. zulusuluz
              zulusuluz 25 December 2017 08: 51
              +1
              Those. You want to say that Estonia became a republic of the USSR in a week without a year? Then - yes, they worked ...
              1. Mu Dialer
                Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 09: 58
                +2
                So, you wrote about the republics of the Union ... So I gave you an example and cited one of the republics.
                And in Belarus and in Russia not everyone was partisan, many survived as best they could, worked for the Germans and even served in the police.
              2. Palch
                Palch 25 December 2017 12: 30
                +2
                A bunch of enterprises puffed in the occupied territory to the glory of the Reich and, alas, our citizens worked on them and repaired military equipment and tried to release ammunition. Not everyone is able to get under the bullet with the whole family, so there is no need to blame and draw conclusions. And the Fritz’s bread was taken by wagons to the Vaterland from our fields, and who was growing and harvesting it there? Grandfather Mazay and Hares?
                1. zulusuluz
                  zulusuluz 25 December 2017 17: 56
                  +1
                  The scale is not comparable. Or the whole country, or only some points in it work for the occupiers. Yes, and the Czech Republic earned in the war, unlike Belarus and Ukraine. The destruction also does not go into any comparison - everything that could have been more or less significant from industry and culture - was destroyed by the Germans in the occupied territories of the USSR.
                  1. Mu Dialer
                    Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 21: 48
                    0
                    So the conditions and the situation are incomparable, the Czech Republic has one, Belarus is different - and the Czechs are no worse than Russians or Belarusians, just different conditions, a different situation.
                    1. zulusuluz
                      zulusuluz 26 December 2017 06: 30
                      0
                      So the “Marie” French made a contribution to the war, a couple of orders higher than the actions of the partisans in the USSR ... The logic of iron.
                      1. Mu Dialer
                        Mu Dialer 26 December 2017 07: 51
                        0
                        Choi did not understand your last message.
                  2. reg
                    reg 27 December 2017 00: 03
                    +1
                    Quote: zulusuluz
                    The scale is not comparable. Or the whole country, or only some points in it work for the occupiers. Yes, and the Czech Republic earned in the war, unlike Belarus and Ukraine.

                    Have you ever thought that the population of Belarus and Ukraine ate these 3 years? Especially urban? And where did it get this food? Received for beautiful eyes?
                    Think it over.
                    Quote: zulusuluz
                    all that could be more or less significant from industry and culture - the Germans destroyed in the occupied territories of the USSR.

                    What for? So that they cannot work for their benefit?
                    1. zulusuluz
                      zulusuluz 27 December 2017 07: 04
                      +1
                      They ate what the Germans took from the rural population. Read the story, everything is written there.
                      Yes, for the same reason, the partisans did not like, either. they also wanted to eat.
                      1. reg
                        reg 27 December 2017 10: 53
                        0
                        Quote: zulusuluz
                        They ate what the Germans took from the rural population.

                        They took it from the village and gave it to the pride?
                        Do you hear yourself from the outside?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 26 December 2017 10: 42
          +1
          Quote: Mu Dialer
          Even how they worked.

          Yeah ... it worked so that in the Germans occupied Donbass had to import coal.
          That's what it really is work for the reich:
          Placement of military orders by the Imperial Arms Directorate in European countries (October 1, 1942 3-month plan (October, November, December 1942)):
          A total of 3 billion 791 million Reichsmarks. Moreover:
          France - 1900 million
          Netherlands - 634 million
          Belgium - 484 million
          Denmark - 134 million
          Norway - 86 million
          Serbia - 14 million
          Greece - 8 million
          In total, about 5000 factories worked on the Reich in Europe. In France, up to 80% of aircraft manufacturing enterprises, 40% of the iron and steel industry, 70% of the metal industry. The total value of military products manufactured in Europe for the Reich in 1942 amounted to over 4 billion marks.
          1. sd68
            sd68 26 December 2017 12: 09
            +1
            most collective farms and other agricultural cartels in the territories occupied in the USSR continued to work even after the arrival of the Germans, regularly supplying them with food ....
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 26 December 2017 14: 50
              +1
              Quote: sd68
              most collective farms and other agricultural cartels in the territories occupied in the USSR continued to work even after the arrival of the Germans, regularly supplying them with food ....

              So agricultural products - this is one of the main goals of the Reich in the occupied territories of the USSR. For her sake, the Germans even kept the collective farms.
              The Green Folder is Herr Thomas, who is a “military economist,” who composed it. Available in the original in the Bundesarchive / Military Archive. The "economic" measures in the occupied territory are being painted. In particular, from the USSR, in any situation and any mood of the local population, it is expected to receive 2.5 million tons of grain, which the USSR promised Germany from the 1941 harvest and which are already included in the Reich's food balance (without them in any way), 3 million tons of grain per army food (if you drag it from the Reich, there is not enough rail capacity) and about 2 million tons more for Germany’s obligations to Romania, Hungary and others. Total approximately 8 million tons of grain. Herr Thomas did not build rainbow illusions and clearly stated that this plan can only be realized if the current agricultural system is preserved, including mainly in the form of collective farms (if you start extensive experimentation with the forms of ownership, you can drive past the 1941 harvest with songs) and severe non-economic coercion regarding the seizure of grain. It also says that when implementing this plan, millions of indigenous people are expected to starve to death, but the Reich should not be bothered, since the occupied territories are required as a source of raw materials, not a highly developed industrial area, and the peak of mortality will be in industrial areas that and so are not able to provide themselves with agricultural products.
              © D. Shein
              But it is one thing to give the fruits of their labor from under the stick, and another to bring initiative developments to the invaders on their own initiative. Like the same French who shockly made for the Germans a radar receiver that warned the submarine about the presence in the area of ​​a ship or aircraft with a radar.
              The French Metox and Gardin firms made more than a thousand R 600A Metox radar receivers after its development by the Naval Institute for Communications Research (Nachrichten-Versuchsanstalt der Kriegsmarine, or NVK) in 1940. Metox discovered wave-working 1,25-2,6 m (~ 115 - 260 MHz) VHF radars - for example, the British naval Type 285 and aviation ASV Mk I and Mk II he could detect at a distance of 11 to 30 km, after which he immediately gave a warning sound.
              1. sd68
                sd68 28 December 2017 00: 09
                0
                This is frankly propagandistic nonsense.
                The fact that the Germans tried to restore industry in the occupied territories, destroyed by the communists of Perry's retreat, is not in doubt.
                The same Dnieper, factories, actively restored. And you bring a propaganda handicraft, obviously not relevant to reality.
                And as for the receiver, read who developed it in your own quote.
                PS I hate typing on a tablet, sorry for clumsiness
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 10 January 2018 19: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: sd68
                  The same Dnieper, factories, actively restored. And you bring a propaganda handicraft, obviously not relevant to reality.

                  I really didn’t know that the Reichsmarschall Goering’s department, responsible for the economic exploitation of the occupied territories, planned its actions in the USSR on the basis of propaganda falsification (the “Green Folder” are documents on the “Oldenburg Plan”). And the Oldenburg headquarters is also and "General Instructions for All Reich Commissars in the Occupied Eastern Territories" - too.
                  It is strange that they did not know this at the Nuremberg trial. smile
                  The restoration by the Germans of a part of industry in the occupied territories proceeded exclusively situationally - within the framework of ensuring the actions of the Wehrmacht. The general strategy for using the occupied territories of the USSR was one: dismantling industry and turning the occupied lands into an agrarian and raw materials appendage of the Reich.
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 23 December 2017 06: 58
    +3
    Yes, the device turned out to be very successful. Spoiled a lot of blood.
  3. diletant
    diletant 23 December 2017 07: 37
    14
    The Czechs worked for the Nazis enthusiastically. Not a single act of sabotage in factories. Hitler gave Czech workers the status of Reich workers. The Czechs worked for the Nazis until the last, until May 7.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 07: 53
      11
      Yes, the Czechs did not have any enthusiasm, simply the Czechs themselves did not want to die and their families did not want to expose their concentration camps or bullets either. I don’t know about acts of sabotage, but, for example, sometimes German bombs didn’t explode, because they were just spoiled during assembly yet.
      In the Czech Republic some people like to tryndet about 1968, while in our country some people like to tryndet about how the Czechs worked for the Germans.
      1. Moore
        Moore 23 December 2017 08: 09
        23
        Quote: Mu Diazwon
        Yes, the Czechs did not have any enthusiasm

        Well, how was it? This same “Hetzer” was developed on an initiative basis, without any coercion.
        Oh yes, if they had not found the use of the chassis from PzKpfw 38 (t), they would have been forced to do some unskilled work and the salary with rations (at the level of workers in Germany itself) would have become much lower.
        They showed miracles of heroism after May 9, shooting columns with those who were going to surrender to unarmed Germans - Rudel has memoirs.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 08: 16
          +4
          I am not aware of such details, so I can’t say anything about your first paragraph, I don’t know. There are careerists everywhere, in Bandera Ukraine, some Russians make a career in Russophobia, Klimkin for example.
      2. Conductor
        Conductor 23 December 2017 12: 18
        +5
        Again, google about Heydrich’s policy regarding the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (that is, the Czech Republic) namely the carrot policy, good working conditions for the Czechs, salaries even boarding houses, and all this ensured the loyalty of the Czech population. For that, Heydrich was killed, for a competent domestic policy.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 12: 39
          +3
          Here I am about the same.
          Why then did the Czechs resist?
          "And hang, we will hang them later!".
          1. Moore
            Moore 23 December 2017 19: 55
            11
            Well, we are talking about that, not only to Czechs, but to the entire population of the 2nd European Union (1st in Boni) there wasn’t much sense in resisting - they are spiritually, culturally, and socially close with the Germans. There was no question of total destruction; there was no interest in finding out where the gypsies were disappearing; there were no special Jewish neighbors.
            Which in itself does not cancel the fact of helping the fascist ghouls in the destruction of our people ... When the new community called the Socialist Camp was hastily sewn together, much was forgiven to the Magyars, Czechs, and other Romanians - there was such a time.
            And we, the present, must not be forgotten.
            1. Mu Dialer
              Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 02: 17
              +1
              The question of the destruction of the Czechs was, they were simply not the first in the queue, but they would have reached them if Germany had won the war. The Czechs are not to blame.
              1. Moore
                Moore 24 December 2017 07: 59
                +2
                Yes, do not give a damn about the far-reaching plans of the possessed Fuhrer. He was extremely inconsistent in racial politics, and Chekhov was waiting for the same fate as fair-haired people in Ukraine - Aloizych ordered them to be considered a non-migrating German tribe.
                And the fact that my people were killed from the weapons of these "poor fellows" who needed to feed their families, I’m not going to forgive myself. Especially when you consider that they could easily hit Hitler in 1938.
                1. Mu Dialer
                  Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 08: 19
                  0
                  Read about Hitler in "38" above.
                  1. reg
                    reg 27 December 2017 00: 07
                    +1
                    The self-propelled gun itself seems to be of no interest to anyone.
                    It is a pity.
    2. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 23 December 2017 15: 06
      +3
      About Czech sabotage. I read an article in my childhood about an unexploded German 1000 kg bomb dropped on the Kremlin. When it was neutralized, it turned out that there was sand, a note, and a Czech-Russian dictionary inside. The note was from the Czech Communists: "the more we can, the more we will help." For one bomb, of course, thanks, only I'm not sure that all the others that exploded equipped the NSDAP members.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 23 December 2017 19: 54
        +5
        Quote: Aviator_
        I read an article in childhood about an unexploded German 1000 kg bomb dropped on the Kremlin.

        and this, most likely, is the fruit of Soviet propaganda. It is physically impossible to fill a huge bomb on a conveyor belt with sand, and its weight would be significantly different.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 23 December 2017 20: 22
          +2
          About the conveyor. Somewhere that week there was a message that in Dzerzhinsk, the Nizhny Novgorod region, they had just made the conveyor for filling FAB-500-62 for the first time. So the Germans probably didn’t have a conveyor belt to the war at such a job. Well, purely theoretically, the weight can be evened out by adding a little something there, again, the density of TNT is not much different from the density of sand. I don’t know anything about reliability, there were cases of failures, but not as often as they wrote about. And after the war, all Czechs suddenly signed up for resistance, although they were there once, twice, and miscalculated. Julius Fucik, for example, a communist executed by the Germans. And his "Reporting with a noose around his neck", the waiting Czechs simply removed from prison and began to wait for WWII to end.
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 23 December 2017 20: 46
            +1
            Quote: Aviator_
            Somewhere that week there was a message that in Dzerzhinsk, the Nizhny Novgorod region, they had just made the conveyor for filling FAB-500-62 for the first time.

            for the first time where? In the world or in Russia? And even if it’s not a conveyor, it’s all the same how they brought a ton of sand, where did they distribute a ton of TNT, and where was the military reception? It was easier to spoil the fuses.
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 23 December 2017 21: 50
              +2
              1. A fully automated completely deserted workshop, perhaps the first time in the world on the conveyor such a caliber.
              2. Regarding the sand in the German bomb, an article was accompanied by a photo of this fool with sand and the Czech-Russian dictionary. Out of control.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 23 December 2017 21: 59
                0
                Quote: Aviator_
                attached to the article photo of this fool

                Well, it’s much easier to do than to carry a ton of sand in the pockets in the plant, and from there - as much TNT
                Quote: Aviator_
                Fully automated, completely deserted workshop
                it’s deserted, but before people worked on conveyors
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 28 December 2017 18: 15
                  0
                  So there was access. Watch on YouTube how the English young ladies loving in Tallboys pour torpex in buckets. Sand next to their fire heap or dig in place.
  4. Vard
    Vard 23 December 2017 07: 55
    +9
    Key ... From an ambush ... In all other cases, a tin can ... And a description of the battle ... Well, in 1945 ours didn’t run away from the Germans ... And ... Shells flew over the top .. The author never shot not only from a gun ... But even from a slingshot ...
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 23 December 2017 12: 20
      +4
      These cans were in Switzerland until the 70s (as they have already correctly noted), so they were imprisoned precisely for such tactics, and it did not make sense to put powerful protection there.
    2. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 23 December 2017 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      Key ... From an ambush ...

      Of course ! Need a yell cheers! throw on machine guns in an open field and on cardboard with bulletproof protection.
    3. verner1967
      verner1967 23 December 2017 19: 55
      +2
      Quote: Vard
      Well, in 1945, ours did not run from the Germans ...

      Yes, but where did the prisoners come from? Falling from the sky? How many without tanks and artillery against 10 self-propelled guns will you fight?
      Quote: Vard
      In all other cases, a tin can ...
      in which others? The self-propelled guns are not a tank, their task is to quietly advance and sit in ambush or behind the advancing troops. Or will you tell us about successful combat operations of the SU-76 in frontal attacks on the Tigers?
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 December 2017 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: Vard
      And the description of the battle ... Well, in 1945 ours did not run from the Germans ...

      In 1945, our Germans even managed to surround us - after which groups of about a regiment number left the corps and divisions.
      Quote: Vard
      And ... Shells flew over the top .. The author never shot not only a cannon ... But even a slingshot ...

      The author fought from 1939 to 1945.
  5. X Y Z
    X Y Z 23 December 2017 08: 00
    +7
    Over how many Soviet tanks they destroyed and the infantrymen were killed, it was somehow not accepted to think, either here or in the Czech Republic. Must be
    for reasons of tolerance.


    This very tolerance always came to us sideways. Yes, she allowed at some particular historical moment not to spoil the relationship and strengthen the hypocritical friendship. The option is the simplest, requiring no analysis or any effort. But from a historical perspective, anyway, former “friends” will someday recall all our real and imaginary sins, and timid reminders of our own crimes (Polish concentration camps, Czech legionnaires, etc.) will be decisively rejected as an inept attempt to justify ourselves. And rightly so. All claims must be made on time and without any silence or reverence.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 08: 11
      +3
      The Czechs did not have lycimeria in friendship, at least among many Czechs. Many in the Czech Republic still treat Russia well.
      1. X Y Z
        X Y Z 23 December 2017 08: 34
        +4
        Who do you call Czechs? Ordinary citizens or political elites? Simple Poles also rarely remember Katyn. But it is the political elites who set the tone; they form the foreign policy.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 08: 41
          +5
          Well, simple Poles are also Russophobes often, in the end the people choose power. The elite is part of the people.
          I’m talking about ordinary citizens, and the Czech president does not seem to suffer from Russophobia.
          1. Kot_Kuzya
            Kot_Kuzya 23 December 2017 12: 17
            +4
            In fact, Czechs are historically closer to Germans than Russians and even Poles, even Czechs and Slavs. From the 11th century, Czechs entered into an alliance with Austrian kings, and later completely became part of Austria. So it is not surprising that the Czechs regularly worked for the Germans, and the Germans did not oppress the Czechs. You won’t erase the millennial genetic memory. And now Austria, Germany and the Czech Republic actively cooperate and trade with each other.
            But the fact that the Czech elite and ordinary Czechs treat Russians well, better than Poles and Ukrainians, the fact is that we simply do not have mutual complaints and grievances. For example, the Poles and I have been the worst enemies for the past 500 years, and have been constantly at war with each other. Ukrainians are the same Poles, just Orthodox.
            1. Mu Dialer
              Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 12: 50
              +3
              Well I do not know.
              In my opinion, Czechs hate and fear Germans. Therefore, they still love Russia as a counterweight to the German yoke.
              1. Kot_Kuzya
                Kot_Kuzya 23 December 2017 14: 07
                +7
                Quote: Mu Diazwon
                In my opinion, Czechs hate and fear Germans. Therefore, they still love Russia as a counterweight to the German yoke.

                Yeah, the Serbs also loved the Russians when they were freed from the Austrian “yoke,” but they quickly forgot their love under Tito, and again “fell in love” with the Russians when the Yankees began to bomb them. Czechs and Germans get along very well, there are no historical grievances and disputes between them. This cooperation resembles the cooperation of Russians and Tatars. Tatars are already part of Russia for 6 centuries, and Czechs are already part of Germany and Austria for 9 centuries. Russians and Tatars do not make any difference between themselves, just the same Germans and Czechs do not make a difference between each other, all the more Czechs know German, just as all Tatars know Russian.
                1. Mu Dialer
                  Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 14: 16
                  +3
                  Serbs have always been good to Russia, remember at least how the Serbs behaved in 1941-1945.
                  You do not know history well, you would be ashamed to pour bites of bite on our loyal friends - the Serbian people!
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 23 December 2017 19: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Mu Diazwon
                    Serbs have always been good to Russia, remember at least how the Serbs behaved in 1941-1945.

                    However, Yugoslavia did not enter the Warsaw Treaty, as if the Serbs did not treat us well.
                    1. Mu Dialer
                      Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 23: 09
                      0
                      Serbs are friends, not sixes. Plus Stalin greatly ruined relations. Plus Croats in Yugoslavia.
                      1. Kot_Kuzya
                        Kot_Kuzya 24 December 2017 02: 01
                        +2
                        Friends do not act like Tito. Tito the traitor. During the war he received all the necessary assistance from the USSR, and in 1948 he wagged his tail and became friends with the West. But the Westerners, in turn, betrayed the Serbs and torn Yugoslavia. So to be friends with the West and betray it is fraught.
              2. verner1967
                verner1967 23 December 2017 20: 02
                +2
                Quote: Mu Diazwon
                Therefore, Russia is still loved as a counterweight to the German yoke.

                before this comment I agreed with you. Was the Soviet yoke better? In the 38th, they chose the first between the Nazis and the Communists, because, after all, the Germans were closer, and even then there was no Nuremberg, no one knew what it would turn out to be. Therefore, I completely agree with your first comment on this article.
                1. Mu Dialer
                  Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 22: 18
                  +2
                  Of course, the Soviet one was better. We came and went. And if the Germans hadn’t lost the war, then the Czechs would still be sitting under the Germans, and, most importantly, what would happen to the Czechs? Would they have survived under the Germans? Or would they what about the Jews? But the Soviets had no idea to Russify the Czechs, destroy their state, and even more so physically destroy the Czechs.
                  The Czechs did not choose anything at 38, they were simply enslaved. The concentration camps in Germany were with 33 already.
                  1. verner1967
                    verner1967 23 December 2017 22: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Mu Diazwon
                    We came and left.

                    Well, we left because the system collapsed, but how do you know that the Germans would not have left? And then, maybe they would not want the Germans to leave?
                    Quote: Mu Diazwon
                    Would they even survive under the Germans?

                    Well, they survived under the Austrians, the same Germans, and even worse
                    Quote: Mu Diazwon
                    The concentration camps in Germany were with 33 already.

                    and with us since the 18th and what?
                    1. Mu Dialer
                      Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 23: 13
                      +3
                      Nazism under Hitler was very different from previous German and Austrian rule. Very much. So the Czechs had every chance to repeat the fate of the Jews, when the Jews ended Auschwitz would not close. And the sane Czechs permeate it.
                      Many Czechs sat in our camps? And Auschwitz could very well have accepted all of them if the Union had lost the war.
                      Better to have 200 beers instead of 2000 and live under socialism than to become a bar of soap under the Nazis.

                      Would the Germans themselves leave? :-) The Czechs did not want them to leave? :-) You are a prankster however.
                      1. verner1967
                        verner1967 23 December 2017 23: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Mu Diazwon
                        Better to have 200 beers instead of 2000 and live under socialism than to become a bar of soap under the Nazis.

                        you throw these horror stories, but the Germans had plans for the USSR, moreover, the fight against Bolshevism in the first place, the fate of the Russian people interested in so far as. As for the European peoples, here you are wrong. No need to transfer qualified personnel to soap, the Germans were not fools.
                      2. Mu Dialer
                        Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 23: 42
                        0
                        Werner, below the answer, the site is buggy.
            2. Conductor
              Conductor 23 December 2017 15: 13
              +2
              Vrozhe Bismarck said that the Czechs are furious Germans imagining themselves Slavs.
            3. iouris
              iouris 23 December 2017 15: 42
              +2
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              Ukrainians are the same Poles, just Orthodox.

              Ukrainians are Little Russians and Galicians. Little Russians are Russians. Galician Uniates (Greek Catholics) - Austrians. Anti-Russian Ukrainians are Bandera.
              1. Looking for
                Looking for 23 December 2017 21: 43
                +1
                Do not equal the Little Russians and Galicians
              2. reg
                reg 27 December 2017 00: 20
                0
                Quote: iouris
                Little Russians are Russians.

                Not Russians, Russians. In the distant past.
                Quote: iouris
                Galician Uniates (Greek Catholics) - Austrians.

                Why are austrians? One of the branches of the Slavs. Enough lateral.
            4. Black5Raven
              Black5Raven 23 December 2017 17: 16
              0
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              . You won’t erase the millennial genetic memory.

              for such words need to be beaten on the head with genetics textbooks until dope comes out
            5. X Y Z
              X Y Z 23 December 2017 21: 03
              +2
              Well, not really like that. After talking for about 15 minutes with the most sane Czech, you will still come across a mention of the 68th year. This is the law.
            6. reg
              reg 27 December 2017 00: 17
              0
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              In fact, Czechs are historically closer to Germans than to Russians and even Poles

              Czechs, they are from the meadow. Just like the Poles. And Slovaks. And to some extent, Litvin.
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              even Czechs and Slavs

              Slavs, this is historically very far away. Even before the Rus and the glades. None of the Slavs already remember such antiquity. Only runet.
              Quote: Kot_Kuzya
              Ukrainians are the same Poles, just Orthodox.

              Actually, the Poles from the meadow. But Ukrainians, not all, only Little Russians, from Rusich. These are different branches of the Slavs.
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 23 December 2017 13: 53
      +1
      Tolerance has always been at our expense.
  6. KLV
    KLV 23 December 2017 08: 45
    0
    The same article, a week ago, but more illustrated: https://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic1709294.html
  7. free
    free 23 December 2017 09: 55
    0
    And for what reasons does the author upload this article here?
    1. AKC
      AKC 23 December 2017 11: 23
      +9
      well, it is likely that one of the commentators remembered that the Germans fought with all weapons, including Soviet ones, it’s enough to remember which guns the English Matilds carried out in Africa!
      or someone from the commentators will remember that in the occupied territories of the USSR, people who would feed their families repaired German equipment, plowed the land and washed the Fritz linen!
      it's good to show patriotism on the couch. when mom and dad feed you. and when they offer you a choice to either work for money or starve to death, couch patriots will most likely work hard with enthusiasm!
      and I also want to add. it may be that the Czechs were comfortable with life in the Reich, and they didn’t really want liberation, but all the tales about how the Czechs suffered in the occupation belong to the propaganda of the USSR. Maybe the Czech Republic "suffered" along with France? only one crawled into the winners, but the second did not !!!
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 23 December 2017 20: 05
        +1
        Quote: AKC
        or someone from the commentators will remember that in the occupied territories of the USSR, people who would feed their families repaired German equipment, plowed the land and washed the Fritz linen!

        here is a competent comment, bravo, colleague! good
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 26 December 2017 13: 02
        +4
        Quote: AKC
        or someone from the commentators will remember that in the occupied territories of the USSR, people who would feed their families repaired German equipment, plowed the land and washed the Fritz linen!

        You see what the matter is ... the Czechs worked for the Germans not for fear, but for conscience. Already wrote about the fact that the "Hetzer" - an initiative development. But we can also recall the “frame”, for the production of which the Czechs developed a special methodology for transporting finished products from the factory through the city to the nearest airfield with a runway of suitable length.
        And yes here is a photo of the mourning rally in Prague on the "innocent" Heydrich:

        It is noteworthy that the acting Reichsprotector of Bohemia and Moravia was executed by saboteurs abandoned from Britain - there were no personnel on the spot for this. But in the storming of the church, in which the liquidators of Heydrich took refuge, local cadres took part - Czech firefighters during the battle flooded the church with sewage.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 02: 27
          +1
          Where is the enthusiasm here? A bunch of people in the square? You won’t go to the Gestapo. You’re only enthusiastic about the local Germans, and the Czechs are just opportunists. Now, if the government wants it, they will gather the same rally for United Russia, will there be enthusiasts there? :-)
        2. sd68
          sd68 28 December 2017 00: 19
          0
          Heydrich was killed by the Czechs with the active support of the local Resistance.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 10 January 2018 19: 17
            0
            Quote: sd68
            Heydrich was killed by the Czechs with the active support of the local Resistance.

            Heydrich was killed by Czechs who arrived from Britain. Not the local Resistance, but a sabotage group abandoned in Czechoslovakia.
            And the local Czechs participated in the capture of this group.
  8. shinobi
    shinobi 23 December 2017 11: 15
    0
    Actually, the Czechs as such did not have a choice. Like Europe in general.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 23 December 2017 12: 22
      +2
      Actually, how was it? And then suddenly they realized that there was a choice and that it was necessary to negotiate and unite, including with the USSR, to repulse Hitler? And the example of the PMV for 20 years has been safely forgotten?
      1. reg
        reg 27 December 2017 00: 25
        0
        Quote: Conductor
        and it is necessary to negotiate and unite, including with the USSR, to repel Hitler?

        Are you laughing The USSR and the Czech Republic against Germany?))))))))
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 23 December 2017 13: 55
      +3
      There is always a choice. They made their own, and surrendered nafig, and we are in our 41st.
      1. Conductor
        Conductor 23 December 2017 14: 45
        +2
        I agree, but such a choice, they made an ostrich, forgot that once the Hussites carried the Germans decently, but here it’s better to give up, drink beer, eat dumplings and work quietly for the benefit of the Reich.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 December 2017 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      Actually, the Czechs as such did not have a choice. Like Europe in general.

      You tell the Serbs and Tito-about the lack of choice. smile
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 02: 35
        0
        The situation between the Czechs and the Serbs are very different cases.
  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 23 December 2017 14: 01
    +4
    And after the fourth of March 1945, the front rolled towards Stalingrad. Did I understand correctly? And what was May 9, 1945? Where was this herr hauptman? Hitler Kaput shouted the loudest or shot himself after an act of surrender? What are they all great warriors in their own memories.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 23 December 2017 20: 11
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      And after the fourth of March 1945, the front rolled towards Stalingrad.

      it’s not necessary to imagine that after the Kursk Bulge the beating of infants began. Yes, of course the newspaper is, first of all, propaganda, they were obliged to embellish. But if you recall the 44 and 45 years, then look at the price we were given the liberation of Poland, and the battles at Balaton, and Koenigsberg. The Germans had local successes in the 45th, and not so much because of their remoteness, but because of our carelessness. An example, as in this battle, when one infantry was thrown without air and artillery support, without tanks.
  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 23 December 2017 14: 30
    +5
    Over how many Soviet tanks they destroyed and the infantrymen were killed, it was somehow not accepted to think, either here or in the Czech Republic. Must be for reasons of tolerance
    The question is much more complicated and you can’t explain it with the fashionable word “tolerance.” It’s more suitable for “state interests”, because the USSR didn’t pay too much attention to this. He just won the hardest war and promoted his influence on Europe, working with that “material”, that is ... was a practitioner to the core.
    The article is not about self-propelled guns as about an armored object, but rather self-propelled guns are just a backdrop to promote their ideological and moralistic principles. Therefore, I’m not disappointed and will not read comments, because there’s likely to be Hetzer’s nationality and what kind of same Czechs. And it has long been well known and even uninteresting.
    1. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 23 December 2017 17: 20
      +2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I won’t read the comments, because there most likely the Hetzer’s nationality will be discussed from all sides and what kind of Czechs are the same.

      What actually happens in each article. Sad
  11. Cer59
    Cer59 23 December 2017 14: 38
    +6
    touches the idiocy of the author of the article. this jerk does not even understand that the use of "huntsman" means one thing, he is already burning in front of the trenches. the reason is simply that 45 samples of 1943 were given in almost every company as a standard means of fighting against armored vehicles. and if the tiger was too tough for them, then everyone else burned on the road. how many panthers were burned from being hit by side armor is unknown, but according to Guderian’s directive each panther should have been covered by at least 2 tanks or t-3 or t-4.
    so what am I talking about? but about the brave Germans on the ranger. The huntsman burned from 500-600 meters from the 45-ki. Well, where are our ZIS-2, ZIS-3? and sleep.
    another German-style craft cost 12 Russian soldiers ...
    you need to know the story.
    our losses are officially 8 million people. German as of March 640, 000, Hitler’s last radio message was 12, plus 1945 allies, according to another estimate 12. And from 500 to 000. because until now there is no exact data on the losses of the fascist bloc neither to people nor to planes and armored vehicles.
    why? Yes, the losses are so monstrous that you have to admit the complete mediocrity of their generals.
    The approval of the release of 59 units of armored vehicles does not take into account either Hungarian, Czechoslovak or French tanks and armored personnel carriers.
    but Germany alone produced 65 units of armored personnel carriers, and they are commensurate in terms of firepower with our t-000s, t-40s, t-60s.
    so it remains only to lie and lie ....
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 23 December 2017 15: 00
      +1
      There is a remarkable fact about the German losses: they are documented by the Germans themselves (with a certain cunning to understatement), but the period of their biggest losses - 1945 year - is hidden in darkness, because "there were suddenly no documents." I don’t remember the source, like, "Losses of Russia and the USSR in the wars of the twentieth century," but I'm not sure.
      1. reg
        reg 27 December 2017 00: 46
        +1
        Quote: Aviator_
        but the period of their greatest losses - 1945 - is hidden in obscurity, as "suddenly there were no documents."

        You can find this "hidden data" literally everywhere. In 1945, 1,23 million imperial Germans died on all fronts. They are known by name. The source was a file of the German service to alert close relatives of the fallen WASt.
        1. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 27 December 2017 09: 04
          0
          Now throwing data from the “file cabinet” for 1945 year is worthless. In the book "Russia and the USSR in the wars of the twentieth century", where I took my statement, it says that there is no data. Can you imagine who and how could collect such data from the Germans after March 1945? Well, now you can write everything.
          1. reg
            reg 27 December 2017 10: 57
            0
            Quote: Aviator_
            Now throwing data from the “file cabinet” for 1945 costs nothing.

            However, the whole civilized world for some reason agrees with these data.
            Quote: Aviator_
            In the book "Russia and the USSR in the wars of the twentieth century", where I took my statement

            You never know what they say.
            Quote: Aviator_
            Can you imagine who and how could collect such data from the Germans after March 1945?

            Of course. Exactly the same people as before March 1945
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 27 December 2017 20: 09
              0
              1. The whole civilized world now believes that the USA and Great Britain won the WWII in Europe, so what? They and Auschwitz freed.
              2. As a representative of the "civilized world", all the more, fluent in Russian, I advise you to read the book that I quote.
              1. reg
                reg 27 December 2017 20: 57
                0
                Quote: Aviator_
                The whole civilized world now believes that the USA won WWII in Europe

                And who won?
              2. sd68
                sd68 28 December 2017 00: 22
                0
                Did they lose?
                And Auschwitz was freed by a Jew Shapiro, an employee of the Zaporizhzhya City Executive Committee
                1. Dalailama
                  Dalailama 28 December 2017 18: 01
                  +1
                  it is not then locked there?
    2. faiver
      faiver 23 December 2017 16: 18
      0
      What kind of armored personnel carriers did Germany produce 65 thousand?
      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 28 December 2017 18: 05
        0
        he also has everything, therefore, it only remains ...
        no less than tanks, they had motorized rifles back then
    3. verner1967
      verner1967 23 December 2017 20: 17
      +2
      Quote: Cer59
      Yes, the losses are so monstrous that you have to admit the complete mediocrity of their generals.

      and what remains for us to admit if these mediocre generals in 41-42 so drove off our "constellation of commanders armed with the most advanced ideology ...."
      Quote: Cer59
      our losses are officially 8 million people

      Well this is official, but actually how much?
      Quote: Cer59
      The huntsman burned from 500-600 meters from the 45-ki. Well, where are our ZIS-2, ZIS-3? and sleep.

      The huntsman did not go to a frontal attack, this is an SPG, not a tank
      Quote: Cer59
      another German-style craft cost 12 Russian soldiers ...

      it's about the fact that the Germans correctly used what they had, even a tin can
      Quote: Cer59
      so what am I talking about?

      yes, what about?
    4. reg
      reg 27 December 2017 00: 43
      +1
      Quote: Cer59
      the reason is simple, just 45 samples of 1943

      November 42, XNUMX
      Quote: Cer59
      and if the tiger was too tough for them, then everyone else burned on the road.

      From 45 to? You are a big dreamer. In 1942 they did not pierce anything. And later, too. Wrecking, not a gun.
      Quote: Cer59
      how many panthers burned from hits in the side armor is unknown

      Unknown But knowing the TTX 45-k, we can assume that it is very small.
      Quote: Cer59
      but according to Guderian’s directive, at least 2 tanks or t-3 or t-4 were supposed to cover each panther.

      Actually, by the time Pz.V appeared, Pz.III was almost gone. And so, regularly in the shelves of Pz.V and Pz.IV was in half.
      Quote: Cer59
      The huntsman burned from 500-600 meters from 45 matches

      Again some miracles. Are you interested in the thickness of the Hetzer armor?
      Quote: Cer59
      and where are our zis-2, zis-3? and sleep.

      Well, there may still be a ZIS-2. ZIS-3 were almost as weak as the 45 mm M-42. A little bit better.
      Quote: Cer59
      our losses are officially 8 million people

      19 million troops. Officially. Since 2017
      Quote: Cer59
      German on March 12, 1945 Hitler's last radio message to 12 million people

      3,6 million people on the Eastern Front. And another 1,7 million people on all other fronts.
      Of these, German Germans killed a total of 4,44 million people. The rest are imperial Germans.
      Quote: Cer59
      plus here allies 6, according to another estimate 000.

      Not more than 0,9 million
      Do not forget those who died in the war against the Reich in Europe:
      Poles - almost 600 thousand
      Romanians - almost 200 thousand
      British - about 200 thousand
      Americans - more than 100 thousand
      South - almost 300 thousand
      And a bunch of Greeks, Canadians, Bulgarians and others.
      Quote: Cer59
      so it remains only to lie and lie ....

      Yes, I noticed.
  12. EvilLion
    EvilLion 23 December 2017 15: 12
    +2
    Well, in the defeat of the Germans by the Panfilov’s, they didn’t write about a tank or cannon, or about the fact that there a whole regiment had built a dozen tanks in a few days. The law - the closer to defeat, the greater the level of lies about their own successes in the front-line press.
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 23 December 2017 20: 19
      0
      Quote: EvilLion
      and that they didn’t write about a whole regiment in a few days that they built up a dozen tanks.

      either I misunderstood you, or you did not read about the exploit of 28 Panfilov’s men.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 December 2017 15: 42
      +1
      Let us turn to the original source:
      A few days ago near Moscow, over fifty enemy tanks moved to the lines occupied by twenty-nine Soviet guards from the Panfilov division. Fascist tanks were approaching the trenches in which our soldiers lurked.
      Resistance could seem crazy. Fifty armored monsters against twenty nine people! In what war, at what times there was a similar unequal battle! But the Soviet soldiers accepted him without flinching. They did not back away, did not back down. “There is no turning back,” they told themselves.
      (...)
      One by one, the daredevils failed, but even in that tragic moment when death closed their eyes to them, they struck the enemies with all their might. Already eighteen warped tanks motionlessly froze on the battlefield. The battle lasted more than four hours, and the Nazi armored fist could not break through the line defended by the guards. But the ammunition ran out, the ammunition in the anti-tank rifle shops ran out. There were no more grenades.
      Fascist cars approached the trench. The Germans jumped out of the hatches, wanting to take the brave survivors alive and deal with them. But there is one warrior in the field if he is a Soviet warrior! Politruk Diev grouped the remaining comrades around him and again a bloody battle ensued. Our people fought, remembering the old motto: "The guard is dying, but not giving up." And they folded their heads - all twenty-eight. We died, but did not miss the enemy! Our regiment arrived in time, and the enemy tank group was stopped.
      © Testament of 28 fallen heroes (The Red Star of November 28, 1941)
      That is, Krivitsky chalked up 28 Panfilov’s three-time “development” of the entire 316th division, moreover reinforced by anti-tankers.
  13. iouris
    iouris 23 December 2017 15: 34
    +3
    Quote: "As you know, the Czech industry during the years of World War II made a huge contribution to equipping the German army with military equipment." The end of the quote.
    Clarify: Czechoslovak.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 23 December 2017 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      Clarify: Czechoslovak.

      It is written according to historical events correctly - Czech, since Slovakia, after the Germans invaded the Czech Republic in 1938, declared independence, and Germany and its allies recognized this independence, by the way, the Soviet Union recognized the independence of Slovakia until 1941. Until 1944, Slovakia was in the fascist bloc, with the approach of the Red Army, anti-fascist actions began, only then the Germans brought their troops there. The state of Czechoslovakia was again proclaimed in 1945, but only until 1993, when the Czech Republic and Slovakia peacefully dispersed.
      1. iouris
        iouris 24 December 2017 13: 54
        +1
        Hitler was presented with Czechoslovakia ("at large"), i.e. the military industry of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire (factories, engineers, workers, technology), and how the Germans got it all “improved” for themselves - these are the details. The Czech Republic has become a protectorate of Bohemia. Slovaks ("at large") fought against the USSR with military units, Czechs, too, but as part of the Wehrmacht. And after the war we had Czechoslovakia (Czechoslovakia), which did the same for the USSR as for the Germans.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 24 December 2017 16: 24
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          And after the war we had Czechoslovakia (Czechoslovakia), which did the same for the USSR as for the Germans

          Oh, how, that is, the occupied Czech Republic worked conscientiously during the Second World War for the Nazis and actually participated in the deaths of millions of people, and after the war she began to do the same for the USSR. You’ll go far, equating fascist Germany and the USSR in this way, just a little to Kolya from Urengoy is left.
  14. Forever so
    Forever so 23 December 2017 15: 50
    +2
    Just a tear for the poor Czechs, they suffered so much under the Nazis, they suffered so ... along with the rest of the geyropeytsy.
  15. faiver
    faiver 23 December 2017 16: 20
    +1
    sorry but the article is three with a minus ....
  16. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 23: 40
    0
    Werner.
    You write nonsense. This is not horror stories, but the reality of Nazism. If you don’t know and don’t understand the problems of your education and mind. And the Germans didn’t give a damn about communism, they fought against Russia.
    And yes, many Jews were skilled employees.
    The site is buggy, so I write here.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 23 December 2017 23: 55
      0
      As for the fact that the Germans "are not stupid" also do not agree, their strategy has always been adventurous and failure, they themselves launched two world wars and themselves lost. Is this a sign of a great mind or something?
    2. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 00: 22
      0
      In their newspapers, the Germans wrote that they were at war with the "Bolsheviks", and in the documents for internal use they wrote "Russians" - for you to understand.
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 02: 24
        0
        In addition.
        From an interrogation of some type, a worker in a factory for the production of soap from people near Danzig. His boss said to him: “Don’t worry, there will be no problems with raw materials, the Jews will end - then millions of Slavs will go into business.” And this is not a fiction . I read for a long time, I don’t remember the source.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 05: 48
          0
          And more.
          But what was the point of the Germans exterminating the Jews? And they exterminated them until May 45. Or, Werner, the Holocaust is also a "horror story" in your opinion? But the Germans did not have enough hands.
  17. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 24 December 2017 02: 32
    0
    Kotu Kuse.
    Tito is never a traitor.
    It’s really lazy to explain, but in my opinion everything is already obvious.
    And yes, what help did we give him in 41-43?
    Yes, and the West helped him like.

    The site is buggy :-(
  18. svp67
    svp67 24 December 2017 20: 00
    0
    Quote: Mu Diazwon
    And, by the way, the allies of the Soviets were already drawn on June 22, unlike the case with the Czechs at 38.

    You probably know a little of the story, these "drawn ones", just a couple of months before that, were actively preparing the bombing of our oil fields in Baku.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 02: 33
      0
      In any case, I know better than you.
      As early as June 22, Churchill declared support for the Soviets.
      And who supported the Czechs in 38 and 39? None.
      Plus, in April 41 no one planned the bombing of Baku, you confused over time, I repeat: learn the materiel.
      1. LeonidL
        LeonidL 25 December 2017 05: 09
        +2
        Learn the story! According to the Treaty, Chekhov agreed to support the Soviet government and France, but the Czechs did not ask for help. A joint operation was supposed to be carried out, but Poland refused to let in troops, and France chose to sign the Munich agreement. They planned to bomb Baku several times from 1939 to 1941, in the latter case they planned to bomb under the threat of its capture by the Germans.
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 05: 45
          0
          In April, 41 British were certainly not going to bomb Baku, and the man indicates this time.
          It was pointless for the Czechs to ask for help after Munich, they were completely handed over there - read the comments above, there is no desire to repeat themselves. So the matter is clearly not in the Czechs.
      2. svp67
        svp67 25 December 2017 08: 18
        0
        Quote: Mu Diazwon
        In any case, I know better than you.

        What are BIG Doubts
        Quote: Mu Diazwon
        Plus, in April 41 no one planned the bombing of Baku, you confused over time, I repeat: learn the materiel.

        Yes, what you say ... Teach you more and teach ..
        Read this ... JUNE 1941:
        "OWL. SECRET
        Message from LONDON (abbreviated)
        20 VI1941

        ... The British are intensifying their preparations for the bombing of Baku. On June 16, Churchill chaired a regular meeting of the Imperial Defense Committee, which discussed the means of stopping Germany’s production of oil. In his speech, Churchill insisted on the speedy completion of all preparations for the bombing of Baku, which, according to "___", is one of his "fix ideas" at present. At this meeting, Churchill asked Beaverbrook about his opinion on this issue. Beaverbrook evasively answered that "the Caucasian scheme seems to him very remote now." In an interview with "___", "___" described this whole scheme as "completely idiotic," because it is much easier, simpler, and more expedient to bomb oil reserves, synthetic oil production plants, etc., located on the threshold of England, that is, in Germany. At the suggestion of ___, the committee decided to carry out a very large bombardment of Gelsenkirchen, but at the insistence of Churchill, the following telegram No. 130 was sent to the chief commander of the Indian army on the same day: “The course of the development of Soviet-German relations can make it extremely beneficial for us to be ready to undertake bombardment of the Baku oil fields with the least delay. In this regard, we suggest that you give instructions to the commander of the troops in Iraq, together with the commander of the aviation in Iraq and in cooperation with the commander of the aircraft in the Middle East, to make all administrative preparations for this operation, including all the required extensions and improvements to the selected landing sites. The estimated attack volume will equal intensive operations for about a month between two squadrons of Wellington bombers and two squadrons of Blenheim-type bombers operating from Mosul. "

        19 / VI 41 g. No. 525. VADIM.


        Quote: Mu Diazwon
        As early as June 22, Churchill declared support for the Soviets.

        It’s interesting, after such a message, did Stalin trust Churchill strongly ...?
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 09: 44
          0
          Churchill almost 100% knew that Hitler would attack the Union the other day and that we would be allies of the British, so why would he bomb a country that would become his ally?
          So either fake, or just plans that are made for all sorts of cases (a bunch of different options). We, paddy, did the same and is doing it.
          And what does the Czech Republic have to do with it? Got off topic?

          Why don’t you trust Stalin to Churchill after June 22? They automatically became allies. Do you yourself understand what you are writing (quoting)? Even the theoretical bombing of Baku by the British until June 22 would be their forced measure against
          Germany.
          So it’s still to teach and teach you! :-)
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 December 2017 09: 48
            0
            Quote: Mu Diazwon
            Churchill almost 100% knew that Hitler would attack the Union the other day and that we would be allies of the British, so why would he bomb a country that would become his ally?

            Because in world affairs it is NOT possible to be 100% sure of anything. Once Stalin and Hitler were able to agree when they did not expect this.
            Quote: Mu Diazwon
            And what does the Czech Republic have to do with it?

            So, well, I did not start a conversation about the events of April-June 1941.
            Quote: Mu Diazwon
            Got off topic?

            Here is how? It seems that it’s you who, learning about the “knowledge gap” decided to “translate the arrows”
            1. Mu Dialer
              Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 22: 00
              0
              The topic of Baku was first touched upon by you, not me (in a message from 20:00 yesterday). Before that, there was a conversation about the Czechs. So, you are off the topic, and not me (but you could just honestly admit your wrong).
              I have no knowledge gaps, you have yes (in my opinion).
              I don’t understand what you are trying to accuse the British of, they attacked the French fleet when France surrendered and attacked correctly. This does not mean that the British were against France, they were against Germany. The same topic is with plans for bombing Baku in 41.
              You know the facts, it’s even better than me, but you do not correctly evaluate them.
  19. LeonidL
    LeonidL 25 December 2017 05: 03
    +2
    They worked carefully and conscientiously until the last minute. The Red Army came - turned off the machines, took off satin sleeves and aprons, picked up flowers and went to meet new liberators. ... After making sure that it was a long time, arm ruffles and aprons dressed and fearlessly rushed to tyrannize and rob the German population.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 05: 47
      0
      Well, vaapscheto, the uprising in Prague began on May 5, and the SC came on May 9, so you are lying for a red word.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 26 December 2017 17: 43
        0
        Quote: Mu Diazwon
        Well, vaapscheto, the uprising in Prague began on May 5, and the SC came on May 9, so you are lying for a red word.

        Yeah ... May 5. After the suicide of Adolf, after the surrender of Berlin and the complete collapse of the front. laughing
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 02: 40
          +1
          So what? The Poles in Warsaw also revolted only when the spacecraft came close and then finished poorly. What surprises you?
          Or should Prague residents commit collective suicide by rebellion a year, for example, earlier?
  20. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 25 December 2017 12: 37
    0
    What else do we need to apologize to the Czechs for?
  21. sd68
    sd68 25 December 2017 20: 02
    0
    one must understand that at the beginning of 1939 the USSR looked much worse in politics than even Hitler Germany.
    The Czechs 20 years ago lived with Hitler in one state, for them the Germans did not look, did not look like criminal savages, like the Communists.
    Further evidence showed that the decision of the Czechs was correct — in the Czech Republic, about 2 percent of the population died in the war — and in Poland, which resisted — about 15, Poland turned out to be the most affected country in World War II.
    PS For some reason, in Runet there is a widespread erroneous opinion that the Munich Agreement dealt with the surrender of the Czech Republic.
    in fact, it spoke only of the Student Region, inhabited by Germans, due to the clumsy division of Austria-Hungary after the First World War.
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 25 December 2017 22: 14
      0
      It turned out to be correct, I agree. But only because the Germans lost the war. And if the Germans won the war, God knows what would happen to the Czechs.
      There are doubts about the most affected Poles, especially judging by the absolute figures, not percentages. Plus, the most affected in Poland were Polish Jews, and the Poles often helped the Germans themselves to kill them.
      1. sd68
        sd68 26 December 2017 11: 54
        0
        in absolute terms, when compared, it is impossible to assess how much someone was hurt.
        As for "they helped to kill," the USSR in this matter whoever you want will give odds, from the first days of the war they began to destroy their own economy, without worrying about how and how our people will live.
        This is not to mention the famous order
        BETTER OF THE HIGH COMMAND

        ORDER
        November 17 1941 Year No. 428

        ON THE CREATION OF SPECIAL TEAMS FOR DESTRUCTION AND BURNING OF SETTLEMENT ITEMS ...
        The rate of the High Command ORDERS:
        1. Destroy and burn to the ground all settlements in the rear of German troops at a distance of 40-60 km in depth from the front line and 20-30 km to the right and left of the roads.
        For the destruction of settlements within the indicated range, immediately drop aircraft, make extensive use of artillery and mortar fire, reconnaissance teams, skiers and partisan sabotage groups equipped with Molotov cocktails, grenades and subversive weapons ....

        How many people there died directly during the destruction or indirectly, from hunger and cold, no one ever considered :(
        And the fascists at the famous tribunal were tried precisely for the same actions, including the full concrete materials.
        They were blamed, for example, that they had blown up the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station, but at the same time somehow dropped that they blew it up upon our retreat.
        Khreshchatyk in Kiev, for example, was destroyed almost completely.
        And the order was executed actively on all fronts.
        "COMRADE STALIN, COMRADE SHAPOSHNIKOV
        Pursuant to Order No. 0428 of November 17 on arson of settlements, the Military Council immediately took the following measures:
        1. In divisions and regiments, they began to form teams of hunters, who for the most part are already active.
        2. In the territory occupied by the enemy, intelligence agencies of a special department sent sabotage groups, with a total number of up to 500 people.
        3. The armies were assigned a squadron of R-5 and U-2 aircraft, a total of 45 aircraft.
        .
        7. The points to be burned and destroyed for each army were approved, and tasks were set, in connection with this, to the combat arms (aviation, artillery, teams of hunters, sabotage and partisan detachments).
        Over the past time, 398 settlements have been burned and destroyed .... Work on the implementation of the order of Bet No. 0428 continues in all parts of the front.
        Zhukov Bulganin
        November 29 1941 years
        TsAMO USSR. F. 326. Op. 5045. D. 1. L. 62-63

        In two weeks, on only one front, Comrade Zhukov destroyed 400 Soviet settlements, and this was just the beginning of work ...
        As for the attitude towards Jews, anti-Semitism in the USSR was no less than that of the Poles.
        I don’t even mean Nazi accomplices from the Soviet people, and there were enough of them - but, for example, the fact that executions of Jews who escaped from the ghetto by Soviet partisans were quite common, as well as other manifestations of anti-Semitism - robbery of Jews and so on :). ..
        1. sd68
          sd68 26 December 2017 12: 22
          0
          sorry, the quotation mark at the end mistakenly put in the wrong direction: (...
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 03: 08
            +1
            The Nazis were tried in Nuremberg not for this, but for a completely different thing, you are juggling it a bit. And we did the right thing: when we retreated, we destroyed our OWN economy on our own land, there was no way out - if we lost this total war - many more people would die .
            1. reg
              reg 27 December 2017 11: 00
              0
              Quote: Mu Diazwon
              And ours did right that when they retreated they destroyed HIS economy on HIS own land, there was no way out - if we lost this total war - many more people would die.

              M-yes.
              1. Mu Dialer
                Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 12: 11
                +1
                “Make a mysterious face, fool” - from the famous movie.
            2. sd68
              sd68 28 December 2017 00: 26
              0
              It is for this, that I personally looked at the destruction of the Dnieper in the materials of the tribunal, there are full of such accusations, no one ever analyzed.
              1. sd68
                sd68 28 December 2017 00: 28
                0
                The fact that more would die is only your emotions, reality says otherwise
          2. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 03: 13
            0
            As for the burning of settlements - read Volokolamsk Highway, there are episodes there, rate it.
        2. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 02: 45
          0
          Anti-Semitism in the Union was LESS than that of the Poles.
          I do not remember the pogroms, for example, but the Poles had them even after the war.
          The rest was generally from another “opera.” They fought as best they could, there were also erroneous orders, but some group of the population along with the Germans did not genocide, although there was anti-Semitism.
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 27 December 2017 03: 20
            0
            More precisely, not in the Union, but in the Union of Borders of 39 years, more precisely, even in the RSFSR, probably.
          2. sd68
            sd68 28 December 2017 00: 37
            0
            You just do not know, read Smilovitsky, Schneier, for example, or just type in Google anti-Semitism from the Soviet partisans.
            They shot those who managed to escape from the ghetto, drove them out of the woods to certain death, robbed, beaten, there was everyone.
            1. Dalailama
              Dalailama 28 December 2017 04: 45
              +1
              Khatyn, Katyn, Volyn still burned.
  22. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 27 December 2017 18: 08
    0
    reg, Do you have logic present? Yes exactly. But only to those who, according to the Germans, worked for them.
    1. reg
      reg 27 December 2017 18: 23
      0
      Quote: zulusuluz
      Yes exactly. But only to those who, according to the Germans, worked for them.

      And in the unoccupied territories of the USSR, did they just distribute products? To everyone?
      1. zulusuluz
        zulusuluz 27 December 2017 18: 28
        0
        What are you talking about? The debate was originally about the work of states for the benefit of the fascist Reich. Unoccupied territories do not belong to those.
        PS Are you being fed for free now?
        1. sd68
          sd68 28 December 2017 00: 39
          0
          There everyone worked for the Germans one way or another.
  23. intuzazist
    intuzazist 27 December 2017 19: 54
    0
    Quote: Mu Dialer
    In the place of the Czechs, other peoples would act like that, work for the Germans and not arise. So in vain the Czechs are constantly accused of working for the Germans, all the others would behave the same way in their place.

    What is your exact nickname! Only you are not here! You need a censor ........
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      1. Dalailama
        Dalailama 28 December 2017 04: 48
        0
        Why did the Poles not behave like that? Not far there.
  24. sd68
    sd68 28 December 2017 00: 58
    0
    It is unclear why in the comments, some write that this is an initiative development of a Czech company.
    In fact, the self-propelled gun was created by the decision of Guderian in March 1943.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 28 December 2017 04: 57
      0
      Hetzer’s project would be proactive, he only pointed out the need to create a light assault gun.
      1. sd68
        sd68 29 December 2017 22: 29
        0
        Nonsense.
        A direct instruction to develop a self-propelled gun based on a Czech tank was
        1. Dalailama
          Dalailama 29 December 2017 22: 55
          0
          After he saw their project. No one believed that a fully armored tank destroyer can be done on this. Pz-1, 2 flew past the contract, in the self-propelled guns they were only redone, the release of the same Czech chassis continued. They were lazy to switch to the release of new ones, to waste time and money. This was the reason why they brought him this project. Thanks to them (thereby) for this great.
  25. Fidel
    Fidel 28 December 2017 21: 07
    +1
    Nothing. The article is not about Hetzer, but about the fun Hauptmann Kühn.
    1. Dalailama
      Dalailama 29 December 2017 22: 59
      0
      And the same fled. I would read it all at once - I did not get to comment.
  26. Izotovp
    Izotovp 2 January 2018 08: 15
    0
    Something in the description of the attack is confusing .. the Germans shouted cheers at the onset ?!
  27. Molot1979
    Molot1979 11 January 2019 14: 23
    0
    About 70 thousand Czechs and Slovaks passed through the Czech case of Ludwig Freedom. During the same time, the same data were taken by the Red Army alone of captured nations. Not counting the dead. So the big question is whether to attribute Czechoslovakia to the victors, or to the vanquished.