Armored car "Punisher". Four Wheel Puzzle

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The last few years have been marked by the fact that in our country new types of armored vehicles are being created for the army and the Ministry of the Interior. There is a constant debate around this positive trend, and each news only adds fuel to their fire. The theme “The Punisher” became a typical representative of armored cars that have become the subject of wide discussion. Recall that the general public became aware of it a few years ago, but then very little information was made publicly available. Became known only the name of the competition and the approximate purpose of the finished machine. Of course, this did not please fans of automotive and military equipment, and at the same time caused a huge amount of speculation. It should be noted claims to the title of the topic. In the simple, though harsh, word “Punisher”, some citizens saw the allusions to the thugs in gray form and with “Schmeissers”, while others began to wonder who this “Punisher” would punish? Are they intelligent and conscientious, but those who disagree with the regime? However, all this can be recognized as a specific course of discussion, caused by a lack of information about the project.

Armored car "Punisher". Four Wheel Puzzle


In late March, the discussion of "The Punisher" resumed with a new force. He was spurred on by only one photograph taken at the Dmitrov proving ground. Maybe she would have gone unnoticed, but ... Firstly, no official information was attached to the photo, and secondly, the captured car looked very unusual. As a result, it was not immediately clear who the author of the project was, but by that time, many noted that this technique is more likely a place in science fiction films or computer games. And in truth, the "Punisher" with a photo is similar to a hybrid of the Batmobile (Batman's vehicle) and an armored vehicle from the game Half-Life 2. Naturally, this attracted attention. And immediately, fans of technology, experiencing information hunger, tried to “pull out” as much information from a photo as possible. Let's try to join them and carry out analytical work.

In some sources under the new photo of "Punisher" it was indicated that this is the development of the KAMAZ plant. However, it soon became clear that they were working on a competitive project in Naberezhnye Chelny, but their project had nothing to do with the car under discussion. The fact is that the fantastic armored car in the recently appeared photos was taken at the ZIL plant. Still later, it was reported that the Kamsky Automobile Plant still has something to do with the ZiLovsky Punisher: the demonstrated machine was made on the basis of the KAMAZ 4911 chassis. In addition, according to unverified data, a certain firm "Fort Technology" is in charge of the ZIL plant project, which is responsible for the armored protection of the new vehicle. Finally, in confusing the situation, the inscription on the “kenguryatnik” of the new machine played a role. Instead of quite logical and understandable letters “ZIL”, there are written some “CSTs”, which, as it became clear a little later, is decoded as “Center for Special Purpose”. It remains only to find out to which power agency this center belongs. In general, the situation is complicated and confusing. There is almost no official information, and even that came into circulation through third parties. Even if the origin of the machine is so mysterious, what is to be expected from the design?

If the rumors about the KAMAZ undercarriage prove to be true, then some conclusions can be made about the powerplant and the driving characteristics of the Punisher. 730-strong eight-cylinder diesel engine YMZ-7-846 of a sports truck KAMAZ 4911 allows it to accelerate to two hundred kilometers per hour. Combined with a gross weight of up to 12 tons, this requires huge fuel consumption - on the order of 100 liters per 100 km. Perhaps some reduction in the characteristics of the original sports chassis, for example, turbocharging and simplifying the transmission, will allow the armored car based on 4911 to have tolerable indicators not only in the driving aspect, but also economically. So, most modern armored cars have a maximum speed of about one hundred kilometers per hour, and fuel consumption usually does not exceed 20 liters per "hundred". Anyway, the original chassis from the KAMAZ 4911 is not acceptable for a full-fledged combat vehicle and requires modifications. Whether they were and, if so, which ones, it is still unknown. ZIL in every possible way hides this information. There is also a version about the undercarriage of the Likhachev Plant own design. But in this case, the analysis has nowhere to repel.

Not less mysterious and the body of the new armored car. On the existing photo from the Dmitrovsky test site, as well as on the network that leaked into the network a couple of years ago, both prototypes look rather strange. In particular, the layout of the front part raises questions. If the engine compartment and the hood look pretty normal, then the next glazing raises a lot of questions. These glasses on motor transport are very unusual: large and located at an acute angle to the horizontal. One can only guess what the driver is looking at the road through them and what are the viewing angles. At the same time, the insufficient forward-down review, in which quite a few people have already blamed the Zilovsky "Punisher", does not look so bad against the background of more serious armored vehicles. Unfortunately, both available photos of the car are made so that it is not possible to estimate its dimensions with sufficient accuracy. At the same time, there is reason to "suspect" the body of the machine in some vertical compression. In this case, the driver's head is close enough to the cabin ceiling, which in combination with the design of the glass and the hood can serve as a transparent hint. It seems that the “Punisher” from the ZIL plant is, to a certain extent, reminiscent of truck hoods from the driver’s position.








However, there is no exact data about the location of the driver and the review from his place. On the Internet there are some concept art "Punisher", allegedly having the most direct relation to the project and allegedly leaked from the design office. They show the approximate layout of the cabin and the original design of the doors. So, when opening, their upper part goes up (attached to the roof on the loop), and the lower one supported by cables - down, where it serves as a step. At the same time, the front doors together with the rear ones form fairly wide hatches without central pillars. Probably, this is the way to ensure the normal opening of the doors with specific outlines of the sides of the body, as well as to make embarkation and disembarkation more comfortable. In the same 3D-drawings, you can see that through each rear side door opens access to two seats. Thus, five more soldiers (one in the front seat and four in the rear) can go along with the driver in this configuration at the same time. For the "troop compartment", apparently, is luggage. In the existing photos of the armored car it is almost invisible, but much better it is noticeable in the same concept art. On the back of the car there is a fairly wide cargo hatch with two wings. It is noteworthy that these valves are bucket-shaped and protrude beyond the limits of the car body. It remains only to wonder why an armored car would like such things, but in the existing photos one can notice that such a design of the tailgate has survived to the prototype. The capacity of the trunk, as well as other parameters of the machine, has not yet been announced.



We turn to protection. The word "armored car" implies the presence of some kind of armor. In the most recent photo, it can be seen that the side doors received much smaller glass than before. Probably, here the designers of ZiL went the same way as the authors of many foreign armored cars - instead of the large and fragile glass, they put small ones on the doors, with greater survivability in battle. And the vacant space was closed with armor plates. However, the huge windshield with a large slope has not gone anywhere. At the same time, judging by its shade and characteristic black stripes on the edge, a bulletproof windshield was installed on the photographed sample. The thickness and protection class of glass, unfortunately, are unknown. Similarly, there is no information on the metal elements of the reservation. Apparently, the entire protection of the "Punisher" must withstand at least 7,62-mm bullets of intermediate cartridges. As for the protection from mines, here, too, have to be based on conjectures. For example, the characteristic contours of the lower part of the sides of the body may hint at the overall V-shaped bottom. However, the additional step and angle in the photo do not allow to see it. Although an armored car sealed at the test site may not have a mine bottom. This version is supported by the fact that on the existing photo, despite the snow that went during the shooting, something resembling a differential can be seen behind the front lower flap. It is unlikely that such an important part of an all-wheel drive car would not be “awarded” armor protection.

Summing up, it should be noted once again that there is very little open information on the “Punisher” topic. For some personal reasons, the Ministry of Defense and the ZIL enterprise are in no hurry to share "secret knowledge." Therefore it is necessary to collect the crumbs and carefully analyze the existing one. So one cannot exclude the possibility that this article just a few days / weeks / months will be irrelevant and even incorrect. But for this, the customer and the developer of "The Punisher" must lift the veil of secrecy and publish a sufficient amount of information. Until then, we will have to use only what we have. But the main and, perhaps, the most important thing that can be taken out of the “detective” with the “Punisher” now, is that the Likhachev Plant is still able to create new interesting projects. Against the background of the general state of the domestic auto industry, this gives rise to some optimism.
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  1. -16
    April 7 2012 08: 45
    Hmm, such a miracle can be created only in Russia! what
    1. Neighbor
      -7
      April 7 2012 09: 41
      Very beautiful car! But for military operations - hardly suitable. The wheels are too big, there is a lot of glass, and there is not enough space in it.
      No armor. There is no overview of the road in front of the nose of the car. In general - garbage - which will never be purchased and delivered to the army. So if only - for what kind of hunting - to the bourgeois!
      1. dmitryg
        +25
        April 7 2012 14: 43
        Are you, of course, the absolute expert on wheel size, bulletproof glass and visibility? Or in KB some downs work?
        1. Korvin
          -7
          April 8 2012 01: 24
          Judging by the fact that in the photo yes downs.
          1. 0
            13 March 2016 12: 41
            it early version, now made a lot of corrections
      2. +7
        April 7 2012 17: 06
        Quote: Neighbor
        But for military operations - hardly suitable.

        Have you read the brand name?
        "Chastener"
        So what could be the questions?
        bully
      3. vylvyn
        +1
        April 8 2012 08: 02
        And I was always interested - and what kind of review does the driver have on the BMP? Probably much better than on ZIL, since they are bought and produced in such quantities. By the way, they also say that everything is not in order with the armor, since it can be pierced from RPG-7. And the armored personnel carrier can be pierced with a heavy machine gun. So now all the technology to write off and forever ban? And the car is not just beautiful, but also functional. The wheels are great. On piles of bricks on Lada with small wheels it will take longer to get over than on such. Glass here, I agree. IMHO this is an advertising move. Few, very few, unfortunately we have advertisements for our equipment. Amer climb over to sell his woof .... about. And our equipment is first-class, and due to the lack of advertising, we can’t competently raise it so that potential customers drool. So we live in the old way - everything is being written off to the strictest secrecy from its own people, and the CIA itself is quietly selling these secrets. So it is here. Here you have to blow all the media. In Russia, a new Punisher, a new AK, a new Pinocchio (no match for his poor relative from Papa Carlo), to advertise in general as it was with PAK FA. Yes, they can do so-and-so. And the video to the network - The Punisher rides on the hammer with its powerful wheels and our guys are driving with dazzling smiles without caries. And then the training ground, Pinocchio, and zah volley on the same chamera, so that a little more light was in the frame. Well, etc. etc. In general, the whole point is in advertising. There was no advertisement for the Punisher, it appeared suddenly and secretly and all sorts of rumors went. And so they would have given advertising and today everyone would have sung him praises, and so half of the people - they just pour mud on him. In general, the calculation of the first impression is not justified. It's a pity. The car is beautiful and sure reliable, ZIL after all.
        1. +1
          April 8 2012 14: 24
          Quote: vylvyn
          And I was always interested - and what kind of review does the driver have on the BMP? Probably much better than on ZIL, since they are bought and produced in such quantities. By the way, with the armor they also say not everything is in order, since it can be penetrated from the RPG-7. And the armored personnel carrier can be pierced with a heavy machine gun.

          Our RPG and tank armor beats, and on such machines good bulletproof armor is needed that protects against large-caliber bullets and fragments. By the way, judging by the body structure, the mine also has anti-mine protection.
          1. vylvyn
            +2
            April 8 2012 16: 27
            My dear, I talked with the NEIGHBOR. Read his koment (he is higher), and then quote me. And I specifically cited RPG-7 as an example, because many wiseacres are starting to rubbish about the lack of armor protection almost at the level of tank frontal armor on vehicles of this class like the Tiger and the Punisher. You didn’t open America to me with bulletproof protection. It is clear as a white day that if the punisher is surrounded by tank armor, it will be a tank, not a special car. If UAZ is equipped with tank armor, then it will also be a tank, and not AUTO.

            The neighbor above claims that since the review on the punisher is bad, they will not release him. So I ask him - the review on the BMP is even worse, but they are doing it, why? They are also knocked out like all the equipment, but they are still made, why? Why does an infantry fighting vehicle have a right to exist in the army, but is there no punitive? That was what the conversation was about.

            And the fact that the RPG and tank armor beats, I also know, please do not worry.
            1. dmitryg
              +4
              April 8 2012 16: 29
              They make a BMP with poor visibility because the esteemed Neighbor did not ride anything except a bicycle. And on it is a review - wow!
      4. +2
        10 March 2013 16: 09
        I think this armored car was hardly designed for the military consumer. Most likely for the FSB, internal troops, etc.
    2. vadimus
      +11
      April 7 2012 09: 50
      “Yesterday Nemtsov moved, I'm sorry” ..... from the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs ...
    3. -9
      April 7 2012 11: 07
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Hmm, such a miracle can be created only in Russia!


      the factory clearly smoked something strong ...
    4. +22
      April 7 2012 12: 19
      I like. You take a look at the beginning in the West and then talk about the miracle of Judah, especially since this is just a prototype.
      1. axmed05
        +4
        April 7 2012 13: 46
        If the Ministry of Internal Affairs does not buy them, then the machine is f ... I, and if they buy it, the machine turned out from them - standing.
    5. +6
      April 7 2012 13: 44
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Hmm, such a miracle can be created only in Russia!

      Well, at the expense of miracle judo, it is not yet known whose cars are worse
      1. BMW
        BMW
        0
        April 7 2012 14: 36
        What kind of mobile and whose - very interesting.
      2. 755962
        +2
        April 7 2012 15: 27
        The designer is definitely a plus. Everything else .. takes time and money.
      3. 0
        April 7 2012 19: 19
        This little black one looks like a hearse.
      4. gojesi
        +4
        April 8 2012 02: 28
        this is SMART, tentatively replacing HAMMER (s)
        For me it’s so sluggish ... a deceased car ... Attach a wreath in front ... with ribbons ...
    6. Odinplys
      0
      April 7 2012 19: 07
      And this .. "baby" .. can become one of the best in the world ...
    7. Aleksey67
      +2
      April 7 2012 19: 26
      The author forgot to mention that

      The machine was created simultaneously for the needs of the Ministry of Defense, but at the expense of ZIL resources, and for participating in rally raids. Requirements for the characteristics of the machine for athletes and the military were similar: endurance, strength, high power. The author of the current design is Svyatoslav Sahakyan, the one who made the sketches of the new presidential ZIL. It is also known that the last iteration of the armored car was made on the basis of the KAMAZ-4911 chassis.

      Today, the project continued to develop. At ZIL, the car was called "Bedbug"however, later it was called the “Punisher”. According to some reports, Fort Technology is also involved in the development (a company engaged in bulletproof equipment and ballistic materials and cooperating with the FSB. Hence, probably, the new abbreviation TsSN replacing ZIL)


      By the way, I downloaded it from the magazine of one blogger, and here’s what else

      Andrey Stepanov, one of the authors of the Punisher project, sent a letter. I quote:

      Sergei. Take the stuff away. Absolutely. This is not my request - Mazepa’s order. He demands to write in the comments that you stole the photos posted from us. Understand me correctly - everyone was offended at once.

      End of quote.


      Main tactical and technical characteristics



      Curb weight kg 3

      Carrying capacity, kg 800

      GAZ-562 engine brand

      Engine power, kW (hp) 140 (190)

      Maximum speed, km / h 125–140

      Overall dimensions, mm:

      length 5 700

      width 2

      height 2 400

      Base, mm 3 000

      Ground clearance, mm 360

      Cruising range, km 1 000

      Wade depth, m 1,2
      Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049057055055124049052050053049.html
      1. -5
        April 9 2012 20: 22
        oh my god they are there with humor .. rename the bug to the punisher ... oh well, we don’t like the police ...
    8. +1
      April 7 2012 22: 47
      Another version of the name is "Judge Dred" :)
      1. Filin
        +4
        April 8 2012 03: 07
        Concept python. Flickered a few years ago in the press. Something in common is with the Punisher. But the inner cosplay is completely different
        1. 0
          April 9 2012 14: 24
          PYTHON Already a raw concept, the gun in the back is not buzzing, and the internal layout itself leaves much to be desired.
    9. +2
      April 9 2012 00: 19
      I understand this device, something like an armored buggy with all that it implies. the base is mass-produced, no new production needs to be opened. Cheap. I don’t think that for the MO (there are no loopholes for firing, mine protection of units, units). Maybe something like a collector armored car for an extensive network of village general stores? smile
  2. Owl
    +7
    April 7 2012 08: 51
    Labor lessons at the "skillful hands" circle. "Inventors" with a sick imagination will assert themselves, and then soldiers and officers will die in these futuristic coffins. "Constructors" do not even imagine that the side hatches ("doors") serve to cover personnel when dismounting under enemy fire.
    1. Sergio
      +4
      April 7 2012 16: 10
      What are you talking about? BTR, too, with a side landing. Apparently, the designers get their money from the enemies for the deaths of the guys.

      No need to talk about what you don’t know. Or do you have reliable information about sick inventors and their crooked hands?
      1. Owl
        +5
        April 7 2012 16: 48
        This is a "police armored car", it does not need buoyancy (like the BTR-80), and the protection of personnel during special operations is important. According to the tactics of the Soviet Army, the personnel on the BTR-70 (BTR-80) did not attack, the vehicles moved at a distance from the infantry, from cover to cover, providing support with fire from the spot.
      2. Korvin
        -1
        April 8 2012 01: 29
        What are you talking about? Actually, the Ministry of Defense has been demanding BR with our rear landing assault from our Klopostroy for twenty years now.
    2. Filin
      +8
      April 7 2012 16: 31
      Owl

      "Constructors" do not even imagine that the side hatches ("doors") serve to cover personnel when dismounting under enemy fire.


      And it is desirable that the doors open from the center to the sides. Then, when dismounting, the open doors create armored protection on the sides of the car. Whereas in this car, when opening the hatches, the whole car is underneath a lumbago. Designers inside and in Dagestan for testing.
  3. Igor
    +4
    April 7 2012 08: 52
    I like it! A good addition to Ivek and Typhoons.
    1. +4
      April 7 2012 09: 04
      Rather, it is suitable for Paris-Dakar.
  4. black bear
    -21
    April 7 2012 09: 06
    Armored car "Punisher" ... The body of the personal guard (the same punishers) ... - where are we going, dear COMRANDS ??? It remains only (or is there already?) To build "Stolypin's ties" along the Moscow Ring Road ...
  5. Slavyan I.
    +4
    April 7 2012 09: 27
    Armored car for the new film Bondarchuk.
    1. Dust
      +2
      April 7 2012 10: 01
      Yeah, though the future will not look so funny ...
  6. Dust
    +2
    April 7 2012 09: 33
    They would call him at least Cheburashka - immediately the bad taste would disappear!
    It looks futuristic, no doubt, but from a practical point of view there are more questions than answers ...
    In my opinion, the driver will not see the road at all, not to mention the field conditions ...
  7. +5
    April 7 2012 09: 39
    Batmobile nervously smokes in the corner.
  8. +4
    April 7 2012 09: 45
    They are there at the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... Punisher ... what is the next sonderkommand ??? minus .. not an article but ... I see ...
  9. +6
    April 7 2012 09: 46
    If there is no complete and reliable information, why post an article and what can be discussed here? And judging by the photo, it is quite suitable to drive up to the tavern dashingly - the jaws of the whole "lads" will fall off with envy and fear.
    1. Korvin
      0
      April 8 2012 01: 34
      Reliable information is really bad, but the booking is extremely negative. It keeps the wheel and the bottom already an explosion .. attention ... MANUAL GRANATE. And the main requirement for shelling is not to penetrate ... but the absence of a rebound !!! The creators need to be pushed inside and walk from RMB .For advanced training of domestic designers of armored vehicles.
  10. Dmitry.V
    +1
    April 7 2012 09: 49
    So it’s suitable for the exhibition, to show that we can also come up with something.
  11. Sleptsoff
    +6
    April 7 2012 10: 03
    The UAZ is dearer to our primitive-minded generals; for them, the punisher is too futuristic. But you can use it, for example, for reconnaissance
    1. alex21411
      0
      April 7 2012 13: 37
      Exactly, for reconnaissance, but what, it’s kind of like stealth technologies are used, they’ll finalize a little more and finally you will be invisible)
  12. +1
    April 7 2012 10: 19
    black bear,
    I will add - a policeman, a punisher - it was already in our history.
    1. Owl
      0
      April 7 2012 16: 51
      They tried not to take them prisoner.
  13. +3
    April 7 2012 11: 27
    Looks like a collector car
  14. -1
    April 7 2012 12: 36
    For the citizen just right. Loopholes only add
  15. Alexey Prikazchikov
    +1
    April 7 2012 12: 50
    For the Pogarn residents of the reconnaissance and the mountain of riflemen, this form itself will go by the way, among other things, the NATO members had already tested it in their avatars and had liked it normally. Moreover, this same prototype is still there all 100 times it will be changed the only time I would add video cameras on the sides on the typhoon to improve orientation.
  16. AlexMH
    +2
    April 7 2012 12: 51
    Who gives these designers money for such crap? Is this this type of beach version of the armored car with a circular view? Or a machine for government visits to the province so that everything can be seen, but not scared? About the name - a separate conversation. I want to severely punish the inventor :)
  17. Horde
    0
    April 7 2012 12: 52
    sore imagination of a sick Jewish designer. Who are you going to punish?
  18. BMW
    BMW
    -2
    April 7 2012 12: 58
    You will be driven through squares and streets, when you go outraged - which is not clear. I’m not talking about a combat vehicle, but rather for the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the OPON.
    1. Horde
      +1
      April 7 2012 13: 02
      You will be driven through squares and streets,


      ,and you?
      1. BMW
        BMW
        0
        April 7 2012 14: 38
        Well, on the saba, where are we going to go to Russia - we have one mother.
  19. sevas
    0
    April 7 2012 13: 09
    PUNISHER for police officers.
    it sounds suspicious.
    during WWII, policemen were called punitive!
    it will sound strange in the news: "PUNISHER with policemen arrived at the address"
    1. Horde
      0
      April 7 2012 13: 17
      it will sound strange in the news: "PUNISHER with policemen arrived at the address"


      there are already policemen, a punisher too, so nothing strange.
      1. -2
        April 7 2012 23: 49
        Quote: Horde
        policemen are already there

        And with the exception of a couple of countries in all countries of the world. By the way.
        And there is also a combat knife, "Punisher".
  20. gojesi
    +5
    April 7 2012 13: 34
    I liked it! Does Hammer have a recognizable look? And at first, too, was unusual. As for the complaints of guardians about the location of the doors, so the doors from two stolrons - they fire at one, go out from the other! Bad review? Did the Critic ever sit in ZIL? And in BeRdeeMe? And in just BeteEre? And in the Urals? There visibility is beautiful?
    The good news is that the ZIL starts to work, otherwise the entire automobile defense order was given to Deripaska ... The bears there, Volkov, are riveting without competition ...
    1. Filin
      +1
      April 8 2012 01: 59
      gojesi
      As for the complaints of guardians about the location of the doors, so the doors from two stolrons - they fire at one, go out from the other!


      I am one of such guardians. Before you make a full-scale sample, you need to think dozens of times before doing it.
      If you notice, then in the center of the cabin there are seatbacks and the exit for the fighters will be only one way, Fold the seats and climb to the other side to the fighter in a pea coat and body armor .... I consider it unrealistic in such a cramped cabin.
      When firing "In the LOB", open doors create additional protection for parachuting soldiers. Why do it SIMPLY BEAUTIFULLY if you can do it BEAUTIFULLY AND THOUGHTLY.
      And why such a large-scale glazing is not clear to me. Opposite each fighter, it is enough to make a small window with a loophole. Simple and concise.
      And another question for YOU - Why open the DRIVER when dropping soldiers ??? And to open it completely. (See photo with an open ramp) For that, probably. To be killed by the first stray bullet ?? And the squad leader will have to pull out the driver and take his place. Maybe this "SMART" solution is still applied at least on one armored car, armored personnel carrier, etc. ???
      1. gojesi
        0
        April 8 2012 02: 23
        FILINU.
        Well then, we’re colleagues :) and I’m a guardian :) Here’s the Hammeter, where the driver will also be killed right away as soon as the paratrooper decides to fall out of the back left door and doesn’t close the door ... Well, if you don’t shoot him in the back of the head, he’ll blow for sure laughing You know how in the BMP or BMD the loopholes are there and they still kill ... When in the box, and when on the armor ... Come up with one that is beautiful and cheap and 100% guaranteed protection ...
        I think we need more cars "good and different", but! on a single platform !!! This Punisher, let him deliver snipers or pick up the wounded or whatever, there is a lot of DIFFERENT work in the war, however, you seem to know about this. Maybe this Punisher, it will be very comfortable and quiet to drag the Kitchen, I'm talking about what, LET IT BE! And I like its design, for a reasonable price I would take this ...
        1. Filin
          +2
          April 8 2012 02: 51
          gojesi

          Greetings!
          The HMMV you indicated is such an ancient modification that you will most likely find it only in the armies of the Papuan countries where the States sent it as a gift. And in the fighting like this in my photo. And then these are mammoths, which are written off. A new generation of cars is coming.
          The Punisher-bug is an interesting car - to replace the UAZ. It is better to go inside in this "Punisher" than to weigh the UAZ with body armor. Moreover, the main losses are from the shelling of the columns with light small arms. For which the Punisher is designed. On top, install a remote-controlled machine gun and modify the doors.

          There was a concept of an armored car similar in appearance several years ago. But the internal layout is very different. Called PYTHON

          Here is a photo
          1. -3
            April 8 2012 08: 59
            On this black flag, Americans determine the course of the movement, so as not to stray from the course in the desert ??? A noble device in every way !!!
            1. -4
              April 8 2012 20: 31
              Are we also offended? Thanks for the minus !!! So a dozen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. -2
                April 8 2012 21: 33
                Quote: APASUS
                Are we still offended? So a dozen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                A sense of humor is a rather complicated thing .................... so weaving!
                1. 0
                  April 8 2012 21: 50
                  Loser! We will drink for you today !! Well, you understand for whom !!
  21. CEO
    CEO
    0
    April 7 2012 13: 37
    And I thought about the civilian version. I really liked the look I would buy myself a civilian version ...
  22. GP
    GP
    +4
    April 7 2012 13: 42
    As a concept car, an exhibition car - an engineer’s thought formulated and embodied in metal, looks interesting. It’s unusual to see the achievements of the domestic auto industry represented in this way - conceptually. They will cover for various possible tasks and what ultimately can and will be accepted, or maybe not, the question of the appropriateness of the apparatus.
  23. Yankuz
    +1
    April 7 2012 14: 05
    Cool gizmo! Yes
  24. Shumer
    +1
    April 7 2012 14: 14
    Eh, if we had such a construction, I would be glad for that too.
    1. gojesi
      0
      April 8 2012 09: 16
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      Shumer UA Yesterday, 14:14
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      Eh, if we had such a construction, I would be glad to

      so you made a similar one ... Admire, it's called "Vepr"
      1. Slavyan I.
        0
        April 8 2012 19: 41
        This is a civilian variant.

        The military looks like this:

        1. +1
          April 8 2012 22: 11
          It looks like porn
  25. vylvyn
    +6
    April 7 2012 14: 30
    I’m looking at people differently and minus and plus. And recently in the states, amers have finished the competition for a new car, which should replace the hammer. Who saw the top three finalist projects? Against their background, our zilok looks more solid and functional. Yes, our Russian eye is used to cars like VAZ, UAZ, Ural, KAMAZ. I believe that the zilok will make a worthy competition to our Wolf and Tiger. By the way, ZIL developed the design of a new car for the president. It is being approved on a level you yourself understand. The design is cool. Well done. And then they are used to doing everything square and cubic with gas tanks out. And the bottom certainly looks like a mine.
    1. Korvin
      -1
      April 8 2012 01: 40
      I saw the three projects of the finalists of JT ElVi. So what? Despite the fact that their technical task includes low cost and the mass character of the machine, their armor protection is not inferior to MPC category one. they look like our Tiger and not like this .... Bug ...
      1. vylvyn
        0
        April 8 2012 07: 17
        The first place was taken by a guy with a body almost similar to the Punisher (former Klop).
        Now you say - the terms of reference. According to the technical specifications, they have a capacity of 4 people, and ours has at least 8. Cheapness? The armor will not be cheap either with us or with them. Otherwise, you can ride a Zhiguli or ZAZ - there is nowhere cheaper, and the main task will be fulfilled - 4 guys with machine guns can get from point A to point B.
        And finally, neither the American, nor our version of the Tiger, neither in front nor in the rear, are similar.
        1. Slavyan I.
          +5
          April 8 2012 19: 50


          Cheap and cheerful laughing
          1. vylvyn
            0
            April 9 2012 02: 50
            Well done. This is what I meant. Guys with guns go from point A to point B.
  26. +2
    April 7 2012 15: 02
    I’ll briefly explain everything, the topic has been framed more than once:

    "Punisher" is the name of research and development work given by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. Why such an idiotic name? Ask those who call heavy flamethrowers "Buratino", missiles "Voevoda" and torpedoes "Physicist". In general, the names are invented absolutely "from the bulldozer" and do not carry any semantic meaning. So there is no need to drag the fascists here.

    The topic of Moscow was opened almost at the end of 90x - the beginning of 2000x. An intermediate result was the notorious GAZ Punisher. ZIL was drawn to the competition later, but apparently nothing came of it.

    The end result of the ROC "Punisher-1" is a family of vehicles VPK-3927 "Wolf".
  27. 0
    April 7 2012 15: 10
    The rear rack is very suitable for transporting the MBB Egoza-900 mobile safety barrier. Side flaps that open quickly make it possible to quickly leave the car (parachute). I foresee such a situation of use: an order was received to block the street (demonstration, meeting, procession, street riots), a "Punisher" drives up, a carriage jumps out, a "barrier" is pulled out from behind and stretched across the street. All! 30 seconds for everything!
  28. GP
    GP
    +2
    April 7 2012 15: 35
    "I foresee such a situation of use: an order was received to block the street (demonstration, meeting, procession, street riots), a" Punisher "drives up, a carriage jumps out, a" barrier "is pulled out from behind and stretched across the street. That's all! 30 seconds for everything!"

    Armored KAMAZ, MRAP which, for these purposes, would be better if you attach doors on the sides: both a larger carcass and more people carry, a kind of armored bus to replace PAZikam. And this machine is so, for specialists and commanders to the scene to quickly drive.
  29. Passing
    0
    April 7 2012 15: 38
    Judging by the final appearance (the first photo in the article), it’s an all-terrain vehicle, high-speed and what is important, respectable armored cars. If the reservation is also according to STANAG3, then a quite worthy thing will turn out against a world-class background.
  30. dred
    -1
    April 7 2012 15: 41
    I wonder what troops will enter if at all.
  31. Volkhov
    +1
    April 7 2012 16: 08
    The KGB money was beautifully laundered - only + are visible:
    - added an illiquid ultra-expensive Dakar chassis
    - the most harmful ponte lovers self-destruct when driving fast, and rural kulibin will restore the wreckage
    - terror will not be massive - this is not "emka"
    - they will demand quality from the road workers and equate the bumps with terrorism.
  32. 0
    April 7 2012 17: 10
    Straight from movies about the future.
    Bondarchuk must be chewing on his elbows, what such a miracle of judo did not push into his film!
    The first swallow of the future in life!
    drinks
  33. AlexMH
    +3
    April 7 2012 17: 20
    This machine will be used for officials to visit subordinate territories (not in Moscow). It will look like this
    - Dear passengers, through the bulletproof glass of the left side you see the village of Sukhostoyevo. Pay attention to her beautiful post-war look. We won’t go there, because there still remained residents for whom the arrival of punishers would not be something surprising. Although our bulletproof glasses can withstand a bullet of 12 gauge and a sawn-off shotgun, the condition of the roads in the village is alarming, Kamaz with protection may not be in time, and the local Molotov cocktail is always with you.
    - On the left we see the collective farm "20 years without a crop" Residents have not been there for a long time, but a wonderful road leads to it, some kickbacks from which were enough for a cottage village. I invite you to admire my work.
    -Do not pay attention to the PM-mov bullets clicking on the armor. This local police, which in vain requested at least some driving cars, welcomes our appearance. Let me remind you that pistol bullets are not dangerous to us either.
    - So, our tour of the people is over, now we will drop into a safe garage, also designed by talented Western designers with folk money, and you can, without going outside, return to your offices.
  34. Passing
    0
    April 7 2012 18: 11
    Corrected for a better perception

    I definitely like this car! By the way, the front jeep Wide recalls.
    1. Korvin
      -1
      April 8 2012 01: 42
      Aza Pasanofsraena Dream
    2. Filin
      +1
      April 8 2012 02: 03
      Here on this instance side windows were removed and it is already good))
    3. Passing
      -1
      April 8 2012 14: 47
      By the way, did you notice the tubular footboard under the doors? IMHO this clearly indicates that the doors have been redone to swing.
      The review can and will be imperfect (although it is not a fact, it is necessary to look in real life), but for a Tiger with a YaMZ engine, the hump of the hood also partially overlaps the near vision, and nothing bothers anyone.
      Large windshields are not so big, well, about two times the same vertical. Of course they will add excess weight, but IMHO it’s not a lot, you can estimate how much:
      http://www.magist.ru/main.mhtml?Part=3
      For class 6a, glass 67 mm thick weighs 158 kg per 1 m2
      It is estimated, by eye, that the size of the glass is 1, 2 m in height and 2,4 m in width. Divide the height by two (roughly - similar vertical glass instead of strongly inclined), calculate excess weight - 227 kg. Tolerant. And this is not taking into account that the glass on the concept is inclined, it can be made thinner than vertical, or you can not do it, we get a higher protection class, it can even hold .338 Lapua, which is very important - this is a trend sniper cartridge.
  35. fern
    -1
    April 7 2012 19: 15
    One reaction: WHAT FOR ????? laughing
  36. -1
    April 7 2012 19: 31
    And I like it, advanced non-standard good , only about 200 kmh nonsense, of course, how to manage it with 12 tons of weight, but in general, in this vein, it’s also necessary to design it, the hybrid-gas-rotor was still shoved there, as they predicted on the Mobile, the plastic armor
    1. vylvyn
      0
      April 8 2012 07: 24
      Below in the comments indicated a speed of 125-140 km / h. Closer to the truth. I like it too.

      (PSPetruha with you? Just kidding. wink drinks )
  37. +2
    April 7 2012 21: 59
    Beautiful of course and very fresh, but it’s "The Punisher"...
    The native party does everything for the people ...
  38. savelij
    -1
    April 8 2012 00: 26
    Against punishers, we have grandfather PPSH!
  39. +1
    April 8 2012 01: 34
    to me personally, it’s high, this should be a combat vehicle, so that the mustache is crap. The design is not frail.
    1. +1
      25 October 2014 11: 30
      I totally agree.
  40. Korvin
    0
    April 8 2012 01: 46
    To push forward their troops in an attack on NATO ... The heart-rending screams of the Amer Marine ... WTF !!!! Aliens !!! Aliens attac !!!!
  41. KASKAD
    +1
    April 8 2012 02: 46
    Well, I didn’t expect such a thing from ZIL, although there are a lot of oddities, but I didn’t be afraid and respected! Glory to the factory! I am proud that with all the problems in the country, they do not rivet the ancient Greek UAZ and the like crafts of the last century.
  42. Filin
    0
    April 8 2012 03: 05
    Concept python. Flickered a few years ago in the press. Something looks like forms of the Punisher

    American VALANX.
  43. mind1954
    0
    April 8 2012 03: 55
    What !? Not a car, but a solid RICOCHET!
    Or maybe this is the concept of the future first-person limousine!
    Agree that AMO ZIL knows best, he has a lot of experience !!!
  44. +1
    April 8 2012 05: 21
    Sentry, they kill, everyone ran to the rescue, and this one grandmother spat in another.
    What to discuss? It is not known where the picture came from? Neither TTX, nor any reliable information, nothing concrete, so, whose design refinements, it’s not even clear whose laughing laughing
  45. -1
    April 8 2012 06: 50
    For our beloved intelligence, a great thing !!!!!!
  46. -4
    April 8 2012 07: 50
    Purely not too lazy ... in the morning it wasn’t the light that dawned on one thing ... it’s impossible to drive ... Why ... well, try to come to an end ...
  47. 0
    April 8 2012 09: 58
    APASUS,
    It's a weather vane wink And the car was made for the Baltic states. A good alternative to NATO technology. For one name they will take Yes
  48. f0rest3r
    0
    April 8 2012 10: 51
    Che for the tachanka) The military in it, claustrophobia will not begin to develop?
  49. +1
    April 8 2012 12: 16
    The development is good. The design speed in 200 km / h on the KAMAZ chassis was especially pleased.
    Although, to be honest, I would have found a worthy place in the reconnaissance of fast lightly armored amphibians. And put extra zinc and shots to RPGs and UAVs.
    Speed ​​and patency never harmed anyone especially in reconnaissance exits instead of the BRM-1K and BRDM.
  50. +1
    April 8 2012 12: 34
    N-yes already ... And the machine is conceptual. And the kag-be doesn’t look bullshit, and the characteristics are not sour ... But ... The military, are sometimes very conservative ...
    However, in my subjective opinion, it looks very nice. Both externally and judging by the stated performance characteristics. So "+" smile
  51. savelij
    -1
    April 8 2012 15: 23
    Definitely, Putin is recruited. US intelligence agencies know where this hamster's money is kept. Imagine: yesterday's Stasi, trained and trained in a special operation, but suddenly got access to the bins of his homeland from the hands of the alcoholic Yeltsin, could not resist the temptation to cut money at someone else's expense. And they - this money - made him hostage to his own greed. For this reason, he was afraid to save the crew of Kursk, sunk by an American boat. The White House simply did not advise him. For the same reason, he gave our lands to the Chinese, because they also know something about him, which they hinted to him about. For the same reason, he practically destroyed the nuclear shield of Russia at the insistence of the American administration. If you have any doubts, read Ilyukhin's book: "Putin. The Truth Better Not to Know." By the way, whose life was interrupted as strangely as the life of his friend, General Rokhlin.


    In 2001, Putin closed the Russian center for radio interception in Lourdes (Cuba). The United States has always been extremely nervous about the existence of this center.
    In 2002, Putin closed Russia's largest foreign naval base (in Kamrani, Vietnam)
    In 2003-2007, Putin removed from service and destroyed the most dangerous elements of the nuclear shield for the United States - military railway missile systems.
    In 2001, Putin decided to import spent nuclear fuel into our country.
    In 2004, Putin gave China a number of islands on the Amur River with a total area of ​​337 square meters. km, and his friend Medvedev gave Norway more than 87 thousand square meters. km of continental shelf
    And now you will tell me that he is not an agent of the State Department?
    1. +2
      April 8 2012 17: 56
      And what does your post and this topic have to do with it?
      In my opinion, the only thing is that this machine can be used as a “funnel”? So when else will this happen?
      By the way, do you know/remember how the northern border lay on the geographical map in those Soviet times?
      If this is off topic, let me remind you: to the Pole!
      So what kind of thousands of ceded square kilometers can we be talking about here?!
      It’s just that before the empire it was absolutely violet that there, the same Norway, blathers. But now we have to eliminate problems in a civilized manner that were not even a problem before.
      Although, what am I?! Otherwise you are not in the know.
      Yes, here's more. I hope you also know where, what and how much is different" the squad will not notice the loss of a soldier ". bully
  52. +1
    April 8 2012 17: 38
    Quote: savelij
    And now you will tell me that he is not an agent of the State Department?

    It is of course more visible from France.
  53. -1
    April 8 2012 21: 04
    There is such a thing as the refractive index... at this angle the glass works like a mirror... that is, it is actually opaque... they actually got together to drive... something is not clean here...
    1. Passing
      +2
      April 8 2012 21: 59
      Hmm, indeed, Yandex shows the theoretical angle of total refraction for an air-glass medium of 41,5 degrees.
      But my intuition tells me that not everything is so simple. To check, I went up to the window glass, looked from different angles, and was once again convinced that theory is one thing, but life is somewhat different.
      IMHO, the point here is the degree of ideality of the surface. Glass with a perfectly smooth microsurface will ideally correspond to the theory, but such surfaces are only found in precision optical instruments; in ordinary glass, the surface consists of microscopic bumps and depressions. Even with chemically polished armored glass, these bumps do not disappear anywhere, the cracks and peaks are simply smoothed out.
      PS: by the way, look at the latest photo of the article with a real prototype, the camera lens is even slightly below the driver’s head, but nevertheless the seats inside the cabin are clearly visible. Of course, there is a lot of glare, but it’s not for nothing that the instrument panel is made black (it’s practically the only source of reflections from the inside), so when viewed from the interior, everything will be OK.
      ZZY: in addition, you can play with an additional external (inside the cabin) layer with a different coefficient. refraction.
  54. GRU Special Forces
    0
    April 8 2012 23: 14
    I think that this kind of reconnaissance vehicles should be floating, otherwise they are simply useless; we get to the river bank, and then what about building bridges or is there also a panton bridge attached to them? not rational, but in general it’s time to transfer all military personnel to helicopters in the 21st century after all
    1. 0
      April 9 2012 00: 28
      Quote: Special Forces of the GRU
      I believe that these types of cars are for reconnaissance

      Is it really for reconnaissance? Who said? I understand that it is for transporting personnel. That is, the niche in which the “Tiger” and “Lynx” are located. And they are not waterfowl either....
  55. 0
    April 9 2012 06: 39
    Another car joke. By order of a certain oligarch.
  56. 0
    April 9 2012 22: 28
    I would call this brainchild “FLE”, let him gallop across the open spaces and punish the heads of the foolish,
  57. SelliCoN
    0
    April 18 2012 16: 36
    Guys, why are you thinking so narrowly? The car is not suitable for reconnaissance, because there will be such glare on the sun from the windshield that the enemy will simply go blind! For patrol, and even more so for dispersing rallies, a sports chassis is somehow not cost-effective. And to assume that a vehicle is for stupidly transporting fighters is simply stupid! I don’t know where the author was looking, but I counted, together with the driver’s seat, 10 seats. And what’s interesting is that the seats are attached not to the floor but to some kind of central pillar, which indicates protection of the crew from explosion, just like the V-shaped bottom. But for these purposes, chairs are usually attached to the ceiling or walls, but in this case they are made folding and form a flat surface like in civilian station wagons, which is specially demonstrated in the 3D drawing. I think it’s unlikely that this was intended to deliver “products” to field kitchens in an armored car! But in order to place stretchers with the wounded, this is a good solution! If you look closely at the first photo, you will notice something like a powerful built-in “kenguryatnik” and a reinforced tubular frame (red pipes are right under the hood, and it is unlikely that this is a gas exhaust or cooling system). It seems that the car should take the bull by its horns, or at least ram the tank)))! In general, the car is “not weak at the front”, but with the “ass” it’s more difficult! Why this duck tail? The car is unlikely to float backwards! The only thing that comes to mind is that the bullets would rebound, like Fritz anti-tank shells from a T-34 tank with approximately the same slope of the frontal armor (maybe not only that). And if this is so, then one of the tasks of such a crazy “sports car” tilt of the glass is also to rebound bullets! After all, if you turn any of the three windshields horizontally, it will turn out to be smaller than that of the “Wolf” armored car, which already means stronger, and due to the tilt, it can even withstand a large caliber of 12 mm. Plus, these glasses provide at least some aerodynamics, which means the KAMAZ chassis is not in vain! As a result, I think the name “punisher” is fictitious; “rescuer” would be more suitable for this machine! Because it is intended for the campaign, to remove our soldiers from under fire. It is for this that she needs high speed, a reinforced front end and an almost complete absence of overhangs to clear her way, a tilted windshield and a duck tail so that she would not be afraid of shelling not from the front (when breaking through to her own), not from behind (when returning) and this is precisely why large doors are needed to quickly board soldiers, as well as the wounded, and install stretchers (this is why there is no need to use doors for protection, as in an armored personnel carrier or a rear exit, although it is provided)!!! Perhaps this is a car of a new class, perhaps the first in the world. And that's why she looks fantastic!!!
    1. +1
      2 July 2012 11: 32
      SelliCoN
      I largely agree with you.
      A machine in this configuration can be used for many tasks, including reconnaissance, the inclined glass of such an inclined shape does not produce much more glare than the glass on conventional reconnaissance vehicles, and if you take into account the application of an anti-reflective coating on these glass, then there is nothing to say.
      Let's take for example what we see in the photo:
      powerful engine, powerful engine, large slope of the frontal part of the car, high ground clearance coupled with powerful wheels, ample capacity of the car, original door layout.
      In this configuration, the vehicle can be used as a mobile unit of a breakthrough group. Good speed ensures surprise, a powerful kangaroo removes obstacles in the path of movement, from rubble to unfortified fences and walls, the slope of the frontal part is additional armor and also helps in overcoming obstacles, a powerful engine means speed and power in overcoming obstacles . The layout of the doors can help with the landing of the same troops after overcoming obstacles.
      The machine can be used, for example, to suppress terrorists holed up in small houses, barns, behind some weak shelters or barricades. Speed, cross-country ability and armor slope help at the initial stage of the breakthrough, the kenguryatnik and engine power at the final stage. This is one example, although there may be many such examples, it is still too early to judge the purpose of the machine, again, if such a machine actually exists.
  58. kov
    kov
    0
    25 September 2012 11: 19
    Armored Valanks, video review -

  59. webdog
    0
    17 November 2012 17: 47
    interesting concept...
  60. vetalmaxi
    0
    April 24 2014 15: 18
    If only there were more such equipment in our army)
  61. +1
    25 October 2014 11: 29
    Quote: Krilion
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Hmm, such a miracle can be created only in Russia!


    the factory clearly smoked something strong ...

    You shouldn't, in my opinion, the design is different from others and very impressive.
  62. 0
    14 July 2015 11: 08
    It's a normal car, we'll see what happens next with it. Will it be mass produced or not? time will tell. Perhaps it will be produced in limited quantities for the needs of the FSB and the Ministry of Defense. wink
    Well done keep it up !!!