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The strategic underwater component of the Federation Council plans to "block" in the Norwegian Sea. Details of the "cunning plan" of Oslo

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The 2012 summer of the year was remembered for numerous Russian and foreign Internet browsers unprecedented in stories modern submarine fleets cases with penetration into the US near submarine frontiers of Russian submarines of the Borey and Schuka-B classes, which staged a real break of stereotypes in the heads of the US Navy command, as well as specialists of submarine, submarine and anti-submarine aircraft operators regarding “ zero ”acoustic secrecy of strategic missile submarines of the naval forces of the USSR / Russia. In particular, the strategic missile submarine (SSBN / SSBN) K-535 Yury Dolgoruky (955 Borey project) was forced to ascend 1 km from Manhattan due to the sudden failure of the onboard Symphony-U navigation complex ( or "Scandium", equipped with a gyro-corrector). It is worth noting that the Symphony-U complex demonstrated the unique accuracy of its work back in the distant 2002 year, when the K-295 “Samara” multi-purpose atomic submarine equipped with it made 156 underwater running hours of only a minimum of 1852 m ( 10 cable).

The reason for the failure of the Symphony is unknown, but one thing is clear: not a single sonar system installed on the US boats and littoral zone ships, as well as the RSL, located in the Long Island area, could not detect sonar waves emanating from the approaching low-noise SSBN Russian fleet. This is not at all surprising, since the submarines of this project have a level of acoustic stealth comparable or even superior to that of the multi-purpose missile submarine cruisers, pr. 885 “Ash”. This is due to the presence of a water-jet propulsion system at Boreev, an improved design of shock absorbing units represented by vibration-absorbing laminated beams and pillers, as well as the use of modern sound-absorbing materials based on rubber coatings. All this reduces the noise level of submarines of Project 855 Ash-tree to 45 - 55 dB, which is 15 dB lower than that of Project 971 Schuka-B. It is also obvious that in the territorial waters of the United States the submarine moved at a speed of 3-5 knots, and the anti-submarine means of the United States did not at all presuppose such a development of events.

Some sources (including newsland.com), referring to the US media, do not indicate which board of the 955 Borey Ave. approached the US coast, but starting from the fact that at this point only 535 "Yuri Dolgoruky", the cruiser K-550 "Alexander Nevsky" could not be located in the North Atlantic. His avionics, power plant and navigation complex began to be tested only in the 2011 year, while the "Yuri Dolgoruky" is being tested since the 2009 year. Information about the incident with the penetration of "Boreas" into the anti-submarine lines of the American fleet are not the only ones in recent years.

So, for example, in August of the same year, according to the publication Freebeacon.com with reference to representatives of the US Navy, the low-noise Russian multi-purpose submarine of 971 Ave. “Pike-B” (class “Shark”) was miraculously found in the waters of the Gulf of Mexico. At the same time, American control devices observed minimal acoustic noise from a submarine for several weeks, but could not identify the source. The upgraded submarines of the same class "Improved Akula" more than once found a couple of hundreds of kilometers from the American coast and in the 2009 year, which our Defense Ministry presented as a proper response to the actions of the American submarine fleet off our shores. This was announced by the resource versia.ru with reference to the Russian Defense Ministry and the central US television channels.

After the incidents with Borey and Shchuki-B, more than 5 years have passed and the antisubmarine concept of the US Navy in the North Atlantic has changed radically. Beginning with the 2013, long-range anti-submarine aircraft of the new generation P-8A “Poseidon” began to enter into service with the Navy, the number of which reached 2017 units by the middle of 51 of the year! These cars, in comparison with the most massive patrol aircraft of the fleets of NATO member states P-3C "Orion" of various modifications, have a lot of flight-technical and technological advantages expressed in the speed of arrival at the conventional sea / ocean theater of military operations, as well as in multiple expanding the possibilities of conducting electronic and optical-electronic reconnaissance, not only on surface targets, but also on coastal targets.

First, the anti-submarine aircraft built on the basis of the Boeing 737-300 jet airliner has a cruising speed of 815 and a maximum speed of the order of 920 km / h, which allows the Poseidon to arrive in 1,35 times faster than the Orion. Accordingly, the time is reduced by 35%, it is necessary to arrange a certain number of sonobuoy AN / SSQ-125 MAC, AN / SSQ-53, AN / SSQ-62D / E DICASS and AN / SSQ-101B ADAR. The RSL data are distinguished by a huge total spectrum of operating modes (active, active-passive, passive, as well as the above-mentioned modes with different types of emitted acoustic signal, differing in frequency and intensity). Hydraulics data RSL have a range of work from 5-10 Hz to 2,4 - 20 kHz, which covers almost the entire necessary range of sonar noise emanating from the moving mechanisms of power plants and propulsion of surface ships, submarines (including the phenomenon of cavitation). The launch canister P-8A holds up to 120 radio-acoustic buoys in different ratios; located behind the center section of the anti-submarine.

Moreover, in the US coastal zone the number of operating multi-purpose littoral combat ships of the LCS-1 Freedom class is regularly increasing, on board of which unmanned underwater complexes - “mine hunters” AN / VLD-1 (V) 1, represented by semi-submersible diesel vehicles are deployed RMV with towed sonar system AN / AQS-20A. Despite the fact that the complex was originally adapted to carry out “mine duty”, the presence of three sonar systems on the auxiliary device AN / AQS-20A, capable of working in passive mode, makes it possible to locate nearby enemy submarines. But if the coastal zone of the US East Coast is sufficiently tightly covered by various sonar reconnaissance means, placed on underwater and surface carriers, as well as on patrol aviation, then the situation in the North Atlantic, especially in the Danish Strait and the Norwegian Sea, is completely different. Namely, this section is the main oceanic exit node for multi-purpose Russian SSGNs, pr. 971 Schuka-B, 941A Antey and 885 Yasen at the launch lines of SKR 3M14T Caliber-PL at strategically important US facilities located on the East Coast USA, as well as the US Navy's carrier forces in the Atlantic Ocean.

The fact is that in the area of ​​the Danish Strait, as well as the North, Norwegian and Greenland Seas, the impact of the Icelandic minimum (areas of low pressure over the North Atlantic), which brings a lot of cyclones from the south-west with hurricane winds, is much more pronounced. As a result, the hydrological situation deteriorates markedly, as does the detection range of enemy submarines by means of the RSL, as well as hydroacoustic stations of submarines and surface ships. The crews of ultra low noise diesel electric and anaerobic diesel sterling electric submarines with an acoustic noise level of less than 40 dB will feel most at ease in this situation. That is exactly what the Norwegian Defense Ministry decided when developing the long-term prospect of renewing the submarine component of the fleet.

So, 4 December 2017, the British edition www.janes.com, citing Richard Scott, a journalist for Jane`s Navy International, published an article about the decision of the Government of Norway to launch military-technical cooperation with Germany. At the same time, the main emphasis was placed on interaction in the line of naval technologies, in particular, on the purchase of modernized anaerobic diesel-electric submarines Type 212C / D. Such a “internal war” deal will be extremely beneficial for both the Norwegian Navy, which will be able to replace the “old” diesel-electric Ula-class submarines with new submarines, and the German shipbuilding company ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS), which will receive a solid 6 order - 8 "Type 212C / D" worth more than 8 - 9 billion dollars. A rather important point of the future contract is that the Norwegian fleet will receive a full-fledged improved modification of the “Type 212A”, which will pass through full demagnetization of the hull, capable of reducing the presence of the submarine by means of magnetic anomaly detectors installed on long-range anti-aircraft Il-38H and / or Tu-142M3.

Placing a Type 214 C / D submarine near Svalbard and northeastern Norway in difficult weather conditions will be extremely difficult for our anti-submarine weapons at a distance of 10 - 15 km, because their noise in normal hydrological conditions barely reaches 35 dB. Consequently, the command of the NATO Combat Forces can use them as a convenient and effective tool for blocking our SSGNs and SSBNs in the western part of the Norwegian and Greenland Seas. Concealing the hidden pursuit of our atomic submarine cruisers with a noise level of the order of 45 - 50 dB will be much easier for the quieter German “Type 212C / D” than, for example, the British “Astute” class MAPL or Virginia class submarines.

Due to equipping an improved 212 type with an AIP-type air-independent power plant based on an electrochemical generator, represented by an 306-kilowatt 9-modular hydrogen fuel cell, providing the necessary power for 288 silver-zinc batteries, the crew can stay under water for 2 - 3 weeks , without the need to enter the unsafe RDP mode, due to which the submarine can be instantly detected by means of a radar system attached to the Novela-P-XNU radio engineering complex MX ”or 38-multiple turret opto-electronic system capable of operating in optoelectronic and thermal imaging channels. This equipment is on board the anti-submarine aircraft IL-30H.

If, on the northern coast of Norway (western Barents Sea), Norwegian anaerobic submarines cannot rise to the surface due to partial control of the surface area by the forces of the Northern Fleet of the Russian Navy, then this procedure (for recharging batteries from a diesel generator) in the Norwegian Sea It is simpler, since this area with 100% probability will be the A2 / AD surface and aerospace zone, covered by air defense missile defense systems of a couple of American AUGs. Persistent anaerobic variants of non-nuclear submarines of the 212 Avenue Lada, equipped with a unique air-independent power plant that allows you to generate hydrogen through diesel reforming, could reverse the situation with the domination of the “quiet” Type 677C / D submarines in the North Atlantic.

But even if in the coming 3-5 years, specialists of TsKB MT Rubin will still be able to create and finally bring to mind a promising power plant, the fuel for which will be the same diesel as for the diesel generator used in The RDP, whose calculated range in 800 - 1200 nautical miles is unlikely to be able to play cat and mouse with the Norwegian “Type 212C / D” off the coast of Iceland, since at least one ascent will be required to recharge the batteries using the DG installation. Under the rule of the enemy, such an action could become deadly. In the western part of the Barents Sea and “Lada” and the good old Varshavyanka / Halibut can maintain underwater domination, with the ability to operate and return without the need to exit the RDP mode, because the distance, for example, to Bear Island is no more than 700-720 km . As for the “breakthrough” of the anti-submarine “barrier” formed by the updated submarine fleet of the Norwegian Navy, it remains to hope that the upgraded MAPL “Yasen-M” will receive a water-propeller, after which they will be able to compete with the German “air independent hunters”.

Information sources:
http://bastion-karpenko.ru/212a/
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-217.html
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  1. Alex_59
    Alex_59 7 December 2017 13: 31 New
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    strategic missile submarine cruiser (SSBN / SSBN) K-535 "Yuri Dolgoruky" (project 955 "Borey") was forced to fly up to 1 km from Manhattan due to the sudden failure of the on-board navigation complex "Symphony-U"
    Those. in the territorial waters of the United States a Russian warship with nuclear weapons on board surfaced and is everything all right? Curious. I would like to see photos of our submarines in the background of Manhattan, I would never believe that the Americans did not shoot it and did not replicate the pictures for propaganda purposes. And I would also like links to serious sources and the media, such as the press service of the Moscow Region or imported (in English) that such a fact took place.
    I guess this is a fierce fake. The flag of the Navy at K-535 was raised only in the 2013 year, and the entire 2012 boat was tested and revised.
    And if some submarine of the Russian Federation surfaced a kilometer from Manhattan, it would have to be a scandal on a scale comparable to the Caribbean crisis. But on the Internet, at such a request, no pictures, no articles with serious content - the silence is unimaginable.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 7 December 2017 13: 33 New
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      The strategic underwater component of the Federation Council plans to "block" in the Norwegian Sea. Details of the "cunning plan" of Oslo
      missiles from the Norwegian Sea will not reach ... wassat
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 7 December 2017 13: 39 New
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        Quote: Dead Day
        missiles from the Norwegian Sea will not reach ...

        The whole joke is that BR submarines will not reach the USA just from Manhattan. Because ICBMs have a dead zone in range from 0 to about 4500 km. To shoot so close you need to reset one of the steps without turning on its engine, which is not provided for any of the flight programs. This is partly why the ICBMs in all agreements differ from the INF Treaty precisely by this threshold range figure - 5000 km. Because the INF missile cannot fly further, and the ICBM cannot fly closer.
        That is, there’s absolutely no need to shove the Russian SSBN right into the territory of the United States.
        1. Operator
          Operator 7 December 2017 21: 57 New
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          At the beginning of the 1990's, the Americans practiced launching the Trident on a range of 3000 km.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 7 December 2017 13: 43 New
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      Those. in the territorial waters of the United States a Russian warship with nuclear weapons on board surfaced and is everything all right? Curious. I would like to see the photographs. For what purpose are such articles skipped in VO? I remember there was a discussion of this fake with a photo on this resource, accordion topic)))) mixed flies with cutlets.
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 7 December 2017 19: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: Sirocco
        Curious. I would like to see photos

        May be???
        http://www.opoccuu.com/borey.htm
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 11 December 2017 10: 06 New
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        flies are meat, meatballs are bread
    3. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 7 December 2017 15: 45 New
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      Quote: Alex_59
      And if some submarine of the Russian Federation surfaced a kilometer from Manhattan, it would have to be a scandal on a scale comparable to the Caribbean crisis. But on the Internet, at such a request, no pictures, no articles with serious content - the silence is unimaginable.

      Yes, full of information. Yandex to help.
      For example: http://dokwar.ru/publ/novosti_i_sobytija/sobytija
      / rossijskaja_podlodka_proekta_955_quot_borej_quot
      _vsplyla_u_mankhehttena / 10-1-0-302
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 7 December 2017 20: 52 New
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        Quote: Antianglosaks
        Yes, full of information. Yandex to help.

        You know, I have my own site, I can write an article there that aliens landed near my apartment, info 100%. But I will not do this, I am a healthy person.
        So I did not see either a photo or a video of our submarine on the background of the statue of liberty. Have Americans refused a photo camera? Oh yes, the almighty EW in action ...
        It's just "Speed ​​Info" is already some ... It is unfortunate that the level of VO falls so low.
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 7 December 2017 22: 39 New
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          If garbage authors like Damantsev are not printed, there will be very few articles.
      2. Fosfor_ru
        Fosfor_ru 11 December 2017 07: 43 New
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        Thanks for the link. Now we know that the fakes are riveting there too
      3. 412
        412 11 December 2017 16: 16 New
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        And where could a strategic boat come up, even if she managed to get there underwater at such depths?
    4. Evil Elf
      Evil Elf 7 December 2017 20: 08 New
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      Just the scandal will not happen. To fan this case is to sign its impotence. But what about taxpayer money?
    5. Sergey53
      Sergey53 8 December 2017 11: 44 New
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      In the press slipped a note on this occasion. The fact of this case has taken place.
    6. 412
      412 11 December 2017 15: 50 New
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      Of course, the garbage is complete, how did this boat finally get there in an underwater position, what depths should be checked at least in Google.
  2. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 7 December 2017 13: 45 New
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    ... how many such boats can Norway afford? And how much is needed to block, prosecute and neutralize our SF? Given the other components of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, is it worth talking about anything other than the financial component of this transaction? This is not a statement, these are questions ... I am a civilian ...
    1. zzdimk
      zzdimk 7 December 2017 14: 03 New
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      Lot. Norway salmon well budget filled. If anything, then they will change by barter.
      1. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 7 December 2017 15: 17 New
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        ... do you speak peacocks? Yes, I know where the money comes from ... I'm not talking about ... it's one thing to buy a dozen boats (which is not enough), to prepare a team, supplies, infrastructure ... if in exchange for outdated ones, then I wonder how many submarines they have now?
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 7 December 2017 14: 06 New
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    Once again I am writing about the fact that we need a project of a submarine of the Hunter class in the Lyra type, only in a modern design. These submarines, with a displacement of up to 3000 tons, will be able to take on some of the functions of the multipurpose submarines that our cat wept. For each strategic missile carrier, there should be at least two multipurpose guards in good custody, and given this, there is a strong bias in the number of missile carriers to multipurpose ones in the direction of the former.
    I am sure that life will force us to come to a decision on the construction of such nuclear submarines. The question is that it is better sooner than later.
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 7 December 2017 14: 20 New
      +1
      ... a strategist, if I understand correctly, a kind of guarantor, multi-purpose - apparently now an unacceptable and economically inexpedient luxury (what tasks could we solve now?), or it does not fit into the concept ...
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 December 2017 14: 24 New
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        Quote: Nikolay73
        ... a strategist, if I understand correctly, a kind of guarantor, multi-purpose - apparently now an unacceptable and economically inexpedient luxury (what tasks could we solve now?), or it does not fit into the concept ...

        Multipurpose nuclear submarines is the Defender of our strategists above all. This is his main task. And to say that multipurpose luxury submarines are criminal and stupid. How to cover strategists? Varshavyanki?
        1. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 7 December 2017 14: 33 New
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          ... I ask and do not affirm ... ... I don’t know what kind of staff they go to combat strategists ... ... I’m civilian, but I’m interested in the questions of our army and navy, you know, tell me if you have the time and desire. ..
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 December 2017 14: 45 New
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            Quote: Nikolay73
            ... I ask and do not affirm ... ... I don’t know what kind of staff they go to combat strategists ... ... I’m civilian, but I’m interested in the questions of our army and navy, you know, tell me if you have the time and desire. ..

            In short, strategic submarines, both here and on mattresses, are hiding behind multipurpose submarines. We have it PIKE-B, ASH, and a bit in the past BARACUDI (titanium submarines). The United States has a Virginia class submarine and a Los Angeles class submarine. In addition to protecting their strategists, multipurpose nuclear submarines are looking for strategists and multipurpose adversaries, and in case of conflict, they have the task of destroying the SSBN (Strategic Missile Submarine Cruiser) adversary. Why multi-purpose nuclear submarines, and not, say, Varshavyanka? Autonomy, displacement, and hence the arsenal and detection systems, well, speed ... in more detail and much more voluminously, Rudolph, who was a submariner, can tell you about all this.
            1. Nikolay73
              Nikolay73 7 December 2017 15: 00 New
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              ... thank you for the educational program, now your indignation is clear to me.
    2. jonht
      jonht 8 December 2017 01: 19 New
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      As an option, as opposed to your idea, there were projects in our country of huge reinforced concrete boats for depths up to 3000 m. (Average depth of the Pacific Ocean), the discovery of which would have become that task against the background of the bottom, but there was not enough money and time. They generally planned to build almost cities under water, changing crews with bathyscaphes. laughing
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 8 December 2017 01: 23 New
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        Quote: jonht
        As an option as opposed to your idea

        This is not an idea, but, I am convinced, a necessity to which reality drags us by the ears.
        Quote: jonht
        there were projects in our country of huge reinforced concrete boats for depths up to 3000 m. (average depth of the Pacific Ocean)

        I heard about such projects ... but it is much more expensive than, for example, sub-drones.
        1. jonht
          jonht 8 December 2017 03: 55 New
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          So they were planned as little inhabited non-pop-up objects.
          There, the whole thing was that echolocation due to the difference in layers, currents, salinity, etc. different layers did not allow their detection.
        2. Tda tar
          Tda tar 12 December 2017 13: 28 New
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          Makeev has a simpler and simpler project: a towed mine with one p29. Any angler can carry around instead of a trawl. Tortured mattresses to catch them.
  4. rudolff
    rudolff 7 December 2017 14: 10 New
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    N-yes ... In terms of the quality of the supplied material, the VO is degrading at the speed of the torpedo Barrage.
    1. Fulcrumxnumx
      7 December 2017 14: 27 New
      +1
      Apparently, you are extremely far from the essence of the issue and are not familiar with the operational situation in the North Atlantic. So degradation is only your problem .. study technical equipment performance characteristics, get acquainted with the events taking place both in Russia and in the west ..
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 7 December 2017 14: 58 New
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        Quote: Fulcrum29
        Apparently, you are extremely far from the essence of the issue and are not familiar with the operational situation in the North Atlantic. So degradation is solely your problem ..

        Such comments pin me)))))))))))))
        When they are addressed to fleet veterans especially)))))) It's like a large father to teach children to do.
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 7 December 2017 15: 16 New
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          As I understand it, there is no need for fleet veterans to get acquainted with the operational situation and performance characteristics of vehicles.
          Enchanting.
          Maybe we are dealing with a veteran of the divan fleet?
      2. ZVO
        ZVO 7 December 2017 15: 33 New
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        Quote: Fulcrum29
        Apparently, you are extremely far from the essence of the issue and are not familiar with the operational situation in the North Atlantic. So degradation is only your problem .. study technical equipment performance characteristics, get acquainted with the events taking place both in Russia and in the west ..


        You know. to whom did you write your opus?
        Well, like this. at least take an interest ...
        And at the same time, “ventilate” the topic with the emergence of our submarine near Manhattan ...
        This is not just not funny, because they usually don’t laugh at downs. They already feel sorry for them.
        Damantseva is already sorry ...
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            1. Fulcrumxnumx
              7 December 2017 21: 45 New
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              First, since when have we switched to you ..? Secondly, if in the appearance of advanced low-noise anaerobic submarines "at the gate" of the main base of the Federation Council, you saw not a threat, but insanity in stating a fact .. I very much sympathize ..
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 December 2017 21: 29 New
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        Quote: Fulcrum29
        learn the technical characteristics of technology, get acquainted with the events taking place both in Russia and in the west ..

        Dear, you wrote all this nonsense to a person who, not so long ago, was himself a submariner on Antei. fool And now imagine how he didn’t even laugh, but laughed from your post. wassat Despite the fact that you did not even step aboard the nuclear submarine, not to mention the autonomous region. laughing
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 7 December 2017 22: 40 New
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          I didn’t laugh, Andrey. Rather sad.
          Only, not Antei. Been at the 949th, but relatives, this is the 971th. Animal Division.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 7 December 2017 22: 52 New
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            Quote: rudolff
            I didn’t laugh, Andrey. Rather sad.
            Only, not Antei. Been at the 949th, but relatives, this is the 971th. Animal Division.

            Friend, you know that for me Cheetah is the most beloved beast from the entire series of Pikes ...
            They would have vertical lines with Caliber (with universal PUs, calculated for Zircons in the future), and they would not have had a price.
            And Antei up to the age of 30 will be left in the ranks, as with Ash-trees a complete plug in terms.
            And recalling our conversation that we need a Hunter up to 3000 tons, I am more and more convinced of my rightness. Although your argument about the lack of strength, money and resources, in a sense, also has a place to be. But I do not see today another way, friend.
            1. rudolff
              rudolff 7 December 2017 23: 23 New
              +5
              Nobody wants to insert a missile compartment / section with vertical launchers. God forbid that at least the “torpedo” version of the Caliber would be integrated into the 971th during the middle course with modernization. As the Grenades were removed, they generally remained without missiles.
              As for the hunters ... "Another Way" is the new GPV program. There is only money for a box of nails in the lid of the coffin of the Navy.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 7 December 2017 23: 26 New
                +4
                Quote: rudolff
                Nobody wants to insert a missile compartment / section with vertical launchers. God forbid that at least the “torpedo” version of the Caliber would be integrated into the 971th during the middle course with modernization. As the Grenades were removed, they generally remained without missiles.

                But I still hope that they’re hacking vertical lines, they’re not going anywhere ...
                Quote: rudolff
                As for the hunters ... "Another Way" is the new GPV program. There is only money for a box of nails in the lid of the coffin of the Navy.

                A friend, either on a horse or a horse ... and there is no third option ... therefore, I think the hunters should be.
  5. Anyone
    Anyone 7 December 2017 14: 16 New
    +6
    Let the author not think that this is nit-picking, but the “littoral zone ships” are a rapid jack © Ilf & Petrov. There is such a thing in English: Combat Littoral Ship. The word Littoral is translated in this phrase as "coastal" rather than "littoral". In Russian, this phrase sounds like “Coast Guard / Defense Ship”. And the word "littoral" in Russian means a tidal zone. In other words, drainage of the bottom.
    1. Lycan
      Lycan 7 December 2017 15: 25 New
      +2
      Maybe - "ships of the littoral zone" = "ships of the intertidal zone"?
      Those. - they can both move in the water column and crawl along the bottom (repelled by oars, most likely) at low tide. Oars, in order to hide the acoustic noise of the drive, will be manually driven through the portholes (those that are obviously built into the casing below the waterline).
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 11 December 2017 10: 26 New
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      Eco you sincerely,))) littoral was and will be, regardless of your thoughts.
  6. Blue fox
    Blue fox 7 December 2017 15: 20 New
    +4
    I’m a “boot”, not an “anchor”, but from this even my eyes are turned around. Our submarine against the backdrop of Manhattan, drones and Poseidons blocking the sea with sonar buoys. It seems that the author rivets such articles in order to gain the number of necessary publications for certification before the defense of the next scientific work for the next academic degree.
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 11 December 2017 10: 28 New
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      It’s such a nonsense that our boats were there that it was so small to spoil, but here we were. It’s like the unloved neighbor’s shit near the door. ))) Sorry for the comparison.
  7. podgornovea
    podgornovea 7 December 2017 15: 44 New
    +5
    What nonsense! Anaerobic boats will chase after atomic ! ???
    Or will they be put on the passageways of our ships? Then the special services should be interested in - where the leak comes from.
    6-8 pieces will be purchased. So on duty, maximum 2-3 at a time.
    Strait of Denmark: Width 290 km, Length 480 km
    Norwegian Sea Area 1,4 million km
    1. Fulcrumxnumx
      7 December 2017 16: 15 New
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      Naturally, they will be on the way to the exit, and if possible, follow in (without revealing their own location). For anaerobic submarines, the main advantage is lower noise, which was confirmed with the Gotland-class diesel-engine group ships, which had exhausted the American AUG during exercises in the last decade. Do not forget that in the Norwegian Sea and south of our aircraft in the process of long hikes to accelerate to 17 - 20 nodes will be like death, especially in wartime .. The presence will instantly be fixed ..
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 7 December 2017 17: 37 New
        +5
        Quote: Fulcrum29
        Naturally, they will go out on the path of passage, and if possible, pursue (without revealing their own location)

        And do not get tired of submarines with VNEU chasing submarines, given their comparative low-speed, dear? It's like chasing a Mercedes on the Oka.
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 11 December 2017 10: 30 New
      0
      Something somehow came out of attention that we have stirling engines, or anaerobic ones. And maybe I don’t have access.
  8. NF68
    NF68 7 December 2017 16: 05 New
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    NATO sheep at the very time again to make a fuss because of the aggressiveness of these Russians whose submarines have the audacity to go to sea and even the Atlantic.
  9. vladimirasha
    vladimirasha 7 December 2017 16: 23 New
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    Apparently the Norwegian mental hospital has not yet opened. All the psychos are in place on the air.
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  11. vladimirasha
    vladimirasha 7 December 2017 16: 25 New
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    may be ashamed to admit?
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 7 December 2017 21: 13 New
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      Quote: vladimirasha
      may be ashamed to admit?

      During the Cold War, there were repeatedly situations when our submarine, being in the center of the super-guarded anti-aircraft defense forces, the AUG perimeter fell into naval incidents with NATO ships. Simply put - fought about one of them. Almost chopping on the keel of an aircraft carrier. The aircraft carrier to which security ships should not let this boat get closer than two hundred miles at the cost of his life. And nothing. Photos of our astonished sailors bypassed all the media in the world. With screwed cables for towed sonar antennas. They were not ashamed. Shame on you now? The bottom line is that our submarine would not go to Manhattan on 1 km in any case. That's bullshit.
  12. podgornovea
    podgornovea 7 December 2017 16: 40 New
    +5
    Quote: Fulcrum29
    Naturally, they will be on the way to the exit, and if possible, follow in (without revealing their own location). For anaerobic submarines, the main advantage is lower noise, which was confirmed with the Gotland-class diesel-engine group ships, which had exhausted the American AUG during exercises in the last decade. Do not forget that in the Norwegian Sea and south of our aircraft in the process of long hikes to accelerate to 17 - 20 nodes will be like death, especially in wartime .. The presence will instantly be fixed ..


    Yeah! Our submariners are so predictable - they always go on duty on one track! :))) (well, 2-3 maximum)
    3 put diesel submarines, and they themselves are floating in your hands! Lepota! :)))
    The electrochemical generator consisting of 9 fuel cell modules has a total power of 300 kW (according to other foreign press data - 800 kW) and provides submarine movement at submerged speed 3 node during 20 days with noise levels below the level of natural noise of the sea.

    3 node Karl !!! THREE!!! At a slightly higher speed, diving time (and distance) is dramatically reduced.

    Problem:
    Given 3 DPL,
    Strait of Denmark: Width 290 km, Length 480 km
    Norwegian Sea Area 1,4 million km.
    Question: At what speed do 3 submarines need to "sweep" a given territory in order to guarantee that they will find submarines on duty?
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 7 December 2017 17: 53 New
      +1
      ... 139200 sq. Km, I continue to think about the financial component, although if it’s a tunnel ... three boats sailing along a parallel course with less than 100 km on board listen to 290 km, (I am not aware of the acoustic equipment of these boats and its opportunities) and three nodes, what is the flow rate in that area? After all, our output also goes under 30 nodes ... maybe there is something in this ... plus aviation, satellites and auxiliary vessels and stationary monitoring systems ... we must think, Karl ...
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 8 December 2017 00: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: podgornovea
      3 put diesel submarines, and they themselves are floating in your hands! Lepota! :)))

      We take into account the low-speed diesel-electric submarines (they are ambush) -24-25 knots, the maximum immersion depth (up to 300m), working 240m, and the acoustic component, which by definition is weaker than that of the nuclear submarines, well, the arsenal. And now let's take a look at, say, Ash-tree ... speed up to 31 knots, maximum depth up to 600 m, working -520 m, well, the acoustics are not an example of diesels, I’ll keep quiet about the arsenal.
      3 diesel-electric submarines for Ashen, this is a very tasty gift of fate that he will eat and will not choke. And all this despite the fact that Ash is one of the quietest nuclear submarines in the world, only Borea is quieter, and only because they have electric su ...
      1. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 8 December 2017 09: 21 New
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        ... if I understood correctly from the article, the mission of diesel-electric submarines is to detect our strategists and hunters and directly oppose in peacetime, it doesn’t mean that before, God forbid, the military - I don’t think that the Norgs will use them as torpedoes of the "divine wind", or am I wrong?
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 8 December 2017 00: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: podgornovea
      3 node Karl !!! THREE!!! At a slightly higher speed, diving time (and distance) is dramatically reduced.
      You have infa of the last century ... Yapa got his Sorya on LIAB (the Germans, by the way, also think about it seriously) and seriously rely on the underwater speed to 18-20uz when charging AIAB at the same time. Or, in general, the work of VNEU on "screw-discharge".
      Ours, by the way, is also moving forward in this matter:
      The new battery based on solid fuel cells BTE-50K-E was presented by the Federal State Unitary Enterprise “Krylov State Scientific Center” at the Army-2017 forum. This year, the product received an advertising passport and an export appearance passport, one of its developers, Mikhail Kasatkin, told FlotProm.
      The battery was created in the branch of the Krylov State Scientific Center - the Central Research Institute of Marine Electrical Engineering and Technology (Central Research Institute of Electric Networks).
      ... BTE-50В uses solid fuel electrotite. The product is designed for the third generation of non-volatile energy installations (VNEU) megawatt class with electrochemical generators. BTE-50В is a part of modules with electric power 250-450 kW, consisting of an electrochemical generator and a hydrocarbon fuel converter. An electrochemical generator has already been created; a converter is currently under development. Work on the project is carried out by the Krylovites together with the Central Design Bureau Rubin and the Design Bureau Malachite. After modernization, the BTE-50K battery is used in non-volatile installations for promising Russian submarines. A prototype product has been successfully tested. In June 2017, the Deputy Navy Commander-in-Chief for Arms, Vice Admiral Viktor Bursuk, told FlotProm that the 677 Lada project would become the base product for the development of submarines with an air-independent (anaerobic) power plant.
      23.08.2017 rights to this material belong to TSAMTO
      Material posted by the copyright holder in the public domain.
      We are waiting for 2021. Yeah.
      1. podgornovea
        podgornovea 11 December 2017 09: 52 New
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        At a slightly higher speed, diving time (and distance) is dramatically reduced.
  13. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 7 December 2017 17: 06 New
    +1
    The news was not particularly liked, the adversaries are trying to change the situation.
  14. Old26
    Old26 7 December 2017 17: 33 New
    +8
    Guys! Whatever you want. This is another masterpiece from the pen of Eugene Damantsev ...

    Quote: Antianglosaks
    Yes, full of information. Yandex to help.
    For example: http://dokwar.ru/publ/novosti_i_sobytija/sobytija
    / rossijskaja_podlodka_proekta_955_quot_borej_quot
    _vsplyla_u_mankhehttena / 10-1-0-302

    Of course of course. The boat is not yet listed in the database and is unlikely to extend beyond the bounds of the proliferation site. The PSU floats a kilometer from New York. On "Dokvar" reprint. And refer to this reprint. as the ultimate truth is not worth it

    Quote: rudolff
    N-yes ... In terms of the quality of the supplied material, the VO is degrading at the speed of the torpedo Barrage.

    No, Rudolph, Flurry is too slow compared to material degradation rate
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 7 December 2017 17: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Old26
      No, Rudolph, Flurry is too slow compared to material degradation rate

      More likely with RCC Onyx ... hi
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  16. podgornovea
    podgornovea 7 December 2017 19: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Nikolay73
    ... 139200 sq. Km, I continue to think about the financial component, although if it’s a tunnel ... three boats sailing along a parallel course with less than 100 km on board listen to 290 km, (I am not aware of the acoustic equipment of these boats and its opportunities) and three nodes, what is the flow rate in that area? After all, our output also goes under 30 nodes ... maybe there is something in this ... plus aviation, satellites and auxiliary vessels and stationary monitoring systems ... we must think, Karl ...


    They can listen at least 500 kilometers! :)) Just heard :))
    Think, think Carl ...
    And all of a sudden ... all of a sudden .. they discover submarines at the speed of 5 knots 50 kilometers away, but do they need to be escorted or what .......?
    Catch up with? Nuclear-powered ship?
    Oh pa! Sadness! They let 971 forward, but as everyone gathered around, they leaked in another place. :)))
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 8 December 2017 09: 36 New
      0
      ... if you imagine the generals and admirals of NATO not as jackets, but how to be perfectly trained and disciplined, motivated to live up to ninety, see your great-grandchildren and spend your money on people? ... if this is not fiction, there are acoustic maps of ships and ships and with a high probability of hearing noises, the acoustic systems will try to identify them and, perhaps, they will understand who is in front of them ... ... all the more, this is only one element of the system, Charles! It’s not necessary to catch up with the nuclear submarines, you need to transfer the coordinates for tracking as accurately as possible and identify them, no?
      1. podgornovea
        podgornovea 11 December 2017 09: 58 New
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        Well yes! Only there is one caveat! :) Even in Soviet times, our ships went under commercial vessels whose noise level once drowned out the noise of submarines (very noisy then).
        Detection range of Yasney-Borey in the passive sonar mode in the DPL how much? :)))
  17. NikWik
    NikWik 7 December 2017 20: 02 New
    +7
    The article is complete nonsense is not clear even for whom it is calculated. I don’t even want to comment. Definitely a huge minus
    1. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 11 December 2017 20: 13 New
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      Interestingly, for the comment "nonsense" you slammed a comment? I once - yes wink
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  20. Alexander Nezgovorov
    Alexander Nezgovorov 7 December 2017 20: 11 New
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    too much PR ... for boys or something ...
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    1. kepmor
      kepmor 8 December 2017 05: 19 New
      +3
      Dear, where did they dig up this nonsense ???? ... even in TRPLK-80 less nonsense ...
      Have you ever jumped on the IPC yourself ... dashing rider are you ours ????
      MG-329 "Shelon" - a terrible dream for any commander with a mechanic ... there are no problems throwing yalda under the "jump layer" ... but quickly raising it is already "Sisyphus labor" ... and already with 3-4 points it’s impossible to meet the norm ...
      overlap of a rope and a mustache ... sailed ... he repeatedly hung out for hours in the Barents, while the "nodes unraveled" ...
      smoothly on paper, but forgot about the ravines ... so about the "Falcons" and KPUG tell the children in a cadet or nahimovka ... they are small ... they believe in fairy tales ...
      we have in each fleet only 3-4 IPC left alive ...
      surface anti-face forces in the Russian Navy are virtually destroyed "as unnecessary" ... what remains is for parades and a flag demonstration somewhere in the Papuan ...
      PLC now is not a trend .... right now the caliber is being run by everyone .... they probably will fight with Merikos submarines ... well .. success ....
    2. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 8 December 2017 09: 44 New
      0
      ... I am glad that we have them, and I am absolutely sincerely glad!
  22. podgornovea
    podgornovea 7 December 2017 20: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Nikolay73
    ... 139200 sq. Km, I continue to think about the financial component, although if it’s a tunnel ... three boats sailing along a parallel course with less than 100 km on board listen to 290 km, (I am not aware of the acoustic equipment of these boats and its opportunities) and three nodes, what is the flow rate in that area? After all, our output also goes under 30 nodes ... maybe there is something in this ... plus aviation, satellites and auxiliary vessels and stationary monitoring systems ... we must think, Karl ...


    Only two Falcons are capable of 0,8 probability of intercepting submarines in the 35 mile band at an average speed of evasion of up to 25 knots

    With what probability will they intercept submarines (at a speed of 3 knots) of nuclear submarines in the band of 35 miles at an average speed of evasion of up to 25 knots, or even 5! :))))))))

    Speed ​​Falcon 60 Knots!
  23. Mikhail Anokhin
    Mikhail Anokhin 7 December 2017 20: 24 New
    +1
    All this preparation in the last war when there was no thermonuclear weapon.
    Searful money transfer!
    We need to work on the invulnerability of intercontinental missiles! Even working on missile defense makes little sense.
  24. podgornovea
    podgornovea 7 December 2017 21: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: Nikolay73
    ... 139200 sq. Km, I continue to think about the financial component, although if it’s a tunnel ... three boats sailing along a parallel course with less than 100 km on board listen to 290 km, (I am not aware of the acoustic equipment of these boats and its opportunities) and three nodes, what is the flow rate in that area? After all, our output also goes under 30 nodes ... maybe there is something in this ... plus aviation, satellites and auxiliary vessels and stationary monitoring systems ... we must think, Karl ...


    Think about it! Charles! Think! Do not stop! Active and passive sonar two things are not joint!
    Detection radius at times! is different.
    1. rudolff
      rudolff 7 December 2017 23: 06 New
      +5
      Why are you painting all these Falcons! We do not have them. The only relatively lively Vladimir has long been withdrawn from the combat strength of the fleet. Maybe it will be a museum.
      And it’s not a panacea for the CSF. I can hardly imagine this IPC, or rather a boat, in 400 tons of hydrofoil displacement in the waters of the Barents or Norwegian. If the 5 points are agitated, the crew will not be engaged in a combat mission, but will be fighting for survivability. I’m silent about ice.
      And in praising the active path of the SAC, do not forget that its impulse on the submarine will be detected at a greater distance than on the IPC its reflection.
    2. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 8 December 2017 10: 21 New
      +1
      ... that’s just the point, with an active search, the seeker not only sees further, he is visible further, but here a movable passive underwater subtle object quietly runs, heard, identified, unsubscribed, left ...
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  26. DRIVEX
    DRIVEX 7 December 2017 23: 46 New
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    [/ quote] After the incidents with Borey and Pike-B, more than 5 years have passed and the anti-submarine concept of the US Navy in the North Atlantic has radically changed. Starting in 2013, the new generation P-8A Poseidon long-range anti-submarine aircraft began to enter the arsenal of the Navy, the number of which reached 2018 by mid-51! [Quote]

    But what about the middle of 2018?
  27. Kolaaps
    Kolaaps 7 December 2017 23: 59 New
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    Nnu- well, try .... You’ll answer us for Vidyaevo .... We’ll hang out, bros, ....? ... Who in the room farted the loudest? !!!!
    1. Kolaaps
      Kolaaps 8 December 2017 00: 12 New
      +1
      The fleet will fulfill its task. With little big blood - the guys are ready, as Uncle Canaris has there - Ausgeckaitniht - .... no need to interfere .... we will figure it out ... not the first
      1. Kolaaps
        Kolaaps 8 December 2017 00: 35 New
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        All the barriers broke through on the cots ... Djibraltar on the cots passed ... Lebanon 82 ... (Lenya Brezhnev burst out - they cried so upset ...) St. Lawrence Bay Cherezpik Bay .... quietly .... imperceptibly .... Annapolis Maryland - yusovsky VVMUPP ... We even sent them greetings in honor of the release ...... Hold us .... Try
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 8 December 2017 00: 44 New
        +2
        Quote: KOLAaps
        The fleet will fulfill its task. With little big blood - the guys are ready, as Uncle Canaris has there - Ausgeckaitniht - .... no need to interfere .... we will figure it out ... not the first

        With today's realities, it’s not bitter and damn insulting ... big blood for us in the first place. That does not beg for professionalism of our submariners and their heroism without pathos. This is in the case of a direct military clash ...
        Well, if you pass all the cardones quietly and quietly ... it’s not in the first ... For example, this very vaunted SOSUS our guys in the Russian vegetable turned fun and provocatively more than once.
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          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 8 December 2017 01: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: KOLAaps
            Cubs do not hold ....

            Unfortunately, there are very few of these "cubs." That’s why I insist on the Hunter’s project up to 3000 tons with LAS like Lira, only modernized. They will be built much faster than Ash trees and they can be saturated with fleets faster, respectively.
            So that it was not a slow-moving Varshavyanka with 24 knots, but a Predator, who could give 40 knots, and that he was armed to the teeth, including vertical launchers. Then, such blood hunters will spoil a lot of adversaries.
            1. Kolaaps
              Kolaaps 8 December 2017 01: 48 New
              +1
              There are wolves .... and very angry .... They send after the system ..... but not everyone who intended it to be submariners ...... Someone at the military transport service, someone at the Strategic Missile Forces, someone in the Marine (Afghan is definitely - demolitionists) ...... Lucky -1ya Flotilla SF - nachё hit, in the trash .... clamshell, dizelyuga ..... you take yourself for an ass - to recover HP pick up
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 8 December 2017 01: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: KOLAaps
                There is a wolf ..

                There is a wolf, but what do they serve on? The "fangs" of our submarine fleet are aging. Half of the pikes are waiting for modernization or repair, the Barakuds are generally pushed out of sight and do not even stutter about modernization. We have one and a half pieces, Anthei is also not young, the entire underwater component of the nuclear triad is held on by the Dolphins with Sineva, and the Boreas essentially go toothless with the Mace, which flies when it wants to. And as a result, we only build well Varshavyanka. But how old is this project? But Lada, as it was without VNEU, remains without it. I don’t want to talk about Kalina and Husky.
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                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 8 December 2017 02: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: KOLAaps
                  Dreaming! Varshavyanka! Well, try, make an appointment ....... You, you have something to say ..... KSU BS-2 - and then the connector .... myself

                  Varshavyanka is good, but it’s an ambush submarine. Seal the approaches and straits ... but it’s unlikely to clash on equal footing with mattress submarines ... for this we need Hunters with nuclear warheads and multipurpose ships in the series of at least 15-18 pieces, but only with such a pace of construction of Ashen I’m afraid of swallowing dust to wait for such a series.
  28. Baby sitter
    Baby sitter 8 December 2017 00: 12 New
    +1
    Normal article .. No more .... Even Soros will not pay.
  29. Twodi
    Twodi 8 December 2017 00: 30 New
    0
    The blocking has not yet grown ... We are going to Murmansk here, we need to take a "mashka" for a ramming campaign ...
    1. Kolaaps
      Kolaaps 8 December 2017 00: 52 New
      0
      Different cars are needed, all kinds of cars are important ..... Success! I won’t come up against the l / s of the Kirkenes MP regiment .... With your flag - no options ... then we’ll count the holes
  30. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 8 December 2017 02: 00 New
    0
    I am ashamed to repeat such a duck. To the author - two. So the Americans just released another submarine from their waters? The editors of VO may already start their work? Have you been banned from Google and Yandex? I didn’t even read further
  31. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 8 December 2017 03: 36 New
    0
    A boat with intercontinental missiles ... got lost ... laughing to such an extent that she sailed "around the corner", crossed the ocean, and surfaced a kilometer from Manhattan? laughing And why ... did she come up there, actually? belay There are such things there, they are called periscopes. The statue of liberty must be clearly visible. In a word, nonsense.
  32. Indifferent
    Indifferent 8 December 2017 04: 24 New
    +1
    I read the article only to "One kilometer from Manhattan" and did not read further. The author is too weak and let him tell his fiction to his family. They probably love and appreciate him there and are not so familiar with international shipping standards. You can enter the territorial waters of a state only with its permission. Any violation of this rule leads to the forceful seizure of the vessel or its destruction. Well, another ship might ask for help. In the United States, territorial waters are a 12-mile zone offshore. It is 20km. Is it really lazy for the author in the search engine to see what distance this is and what Russian strategists can do and what cannot be done there. I'm not writing about the fact that the boat with missiles having a range of 8000 km. it’s not at all necessary to go one kilometer to Manhattan. Editors and moderators of the site amaze me. Why print such a nonsense.
    1. Falcon5555
      Falcon5555 8 December 2017 13: 45 New
      +3
      You can enter the territorial waters of a state only with its permission. Any violation of this rule leads to the forceful seizure of the vessel or its destruction. Well, another ship might ask for help.
      Everything is much more complicated. In some cases, go through ter. water to surface ships and even warships formally can be done without asking for prior permission. But the ascent of the submarine in a closed bay would be a blatant violation of thermal water.
  33. podgornovea
    podgornovea 8 December 2017 08: 05 New
    0
    Quote: kepmor
    Dear, where did they dig up this nonsense ???? ... even in TRPLK-80 less nonsense ...
    Have you ever jumped on the IPC yourself ... dashing rider are you ours ????
    MG-329 "Shelon" - a terrible dream for any commander with a mechanic ... there are no problems throwing yalda under the "jump layer" ... but quickly raising it is already "Sisyphus labor" ... and already with 3-4 points it’s impossible to meet the norm ...
    overlap of a rope and a mustache ... sailed ... he repeatedly hung out for hours in the Barents, while the "nodes unraveled" ...
    smoothly on paper, but forgot about the ravines ... so about the "Falcons" and KPUG tell the children in a cadet or nahimovka ... they are small ... they believe in fairy tales ...
    we have in each fleet only 3-4 IPC left alive ...
    surface anti-face forces in the Russian Navy are virtually destroyed "as unnecessary" ... what remains is for parades and a flag demonstration somewhere in the Papuan ...
    PLC now is not a trend .... right now the caliber is being run by everyone .... they probably will fight with Merikos submarines ... well .. success ....

    We are talking about the range, speed of survey of the water area, the speed of evasion of nuclear submarines, the difference in the detection range of passive and active sonar, etc. And not about raising MG-329 "Shelon", if you do not understand :))))
    Since we are talking about the interception of a nuclear submarine of a diesel submarine, it’s necessary to look at things more realistically - that is, data!
  34. podgornovea
    podgornovea 8 December 2017 08: 14 New
    0
    Quote: rudolff
    Why are you painting all these Falcons! We do not have them. The only relatively lively Vladimir has long been withdrawn from the combat strength of the fleet. Maybe it will be a museum.
    And it’s not a panacea for the CSF. I can hardly imagine this IPC, or rather a boat, in 400 tons of hydrofoil displacement in the waters of the Barents or Norwegian. If the 5 points are agitated, the crew will not be engaged in a combat mission, but will be fighting for survivability. I’m silent about ice.
    And in praising the active path of the SAC, do not forget that its impulse on the submarine will be detected at a greater distance than on the IPC its reflection.

    We are talking about the range, speed of survey of the water area, the speed of evasion of nuclear submarines, the difference in the detection range of passive and active sonar, etc. About the fact that in the passive mode and at the speed of submarines in such areas intercept submarines .......)))
    Or maybe 6-8 pieces of 212 are so scary to us because they got hydrofoils? :))
  35. goland72
    goland72 8 December 2017 09: 27 New
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    [quote] [/ quote] by mid-2018 reached 51 units.
    Already?
  36. g.wise
    g.wise 8 December 2017 13: 33 New
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    Our KRET needs to set the task of creating small facilities operating in the range from 5 Hz to 20 kHz, and throw them in large numbers on patrol routes to various depths in order to suppress the American means of acoustic detection. These tools should be cheap and durable with recharging power supply batteries
  37. Glen-99
    Glen-99 11 December 2017 17: 32 New
    0
    What kind of nonsense, and who is Damantsev? This opus, with a claim to a professional specialist, is designed for the layman, and is intended to sow, on the eve of the presidential election, in his mind a doubt about the appropriateness of the ongoing course of military construction and rearmament, saying that there are multibillion expenses, and useless attempts to catch up and overtake, , while all the Russian people are suffering, it’s time to put forward a candidate like Navalny or Kasyanov to advance into power. How can one not recall Comrade? Stalin, with him, too, was full of defeatists and alarmists.
    1. Fulcrumxnumx
      11 December 2017 18: 24 New
      0
      You are healthy? And here Navalny and Kasyanovs mattress? In the article, it is clearly presented by the technical language that the appearance of low-noise German submarines, the Type 212, represents a substantial share of the threat to the MAPL of our fleet passing by the Norwegian Sea. What panicking did you see? "Lada" is also being developed, but unfortunately the VNEU is not yet perfected.