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The defeat of carrier groups using X-32 and Zircon missiles

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Today, the most realistic image of the “Zircon” is a snapshot of an experimental X-51A Waveraider.

It is the “Wavewider” photo under the wing of the carrier (B-52) that is given out in the domestic media for the newest hypersonic rocket of the Russian Navy. The editors are not confused by either the English-language primary source or even the presence of Air Force Research, Boeing and DARPA emblems on the side surface of the aircraft fuselage. However, as we have seen in the light of recent events, you can simply attach screenshots from the game. The main thing - entertainment. From solidarity to the workers of the pen and keyboard, the name of the source in which this misunderstanding was published had to be erased.

Unlike the superheroes of computer games, “Wavewider” exists on this side of the screen. The device was created in the framework of the concept of “fast global strike”, aimed at reducing the flight time of cruise missiles. Judging by the latest news programs, i.e. In silence for 5 years, the next “hypersonic experiment” went to the Air Force Museum.

In general, the X-51A project is somehow suspiciously stalled.

The reasons for the suspension of research can be guessed from the known difficulties associated with aerodynamic flights at speed 5M. The first on the list is the inevitable “thermal barrier”, ready to incinerate the brave souls who have challenged speed:

The defeat of carrier groups using X-32 and Zircon missiles


In its last flight, in May 2013, the “Wavewider” lasted on a hypersound for about six minutes, setting a record for hypersonic aircraft with ramjet engines. During this time, the model was able to develop a speed corresponding to the Mach number 5,1, and flew over the Pacific Ocean distance 426 km.

Why do I say “model”? Because “Wavewider” wasn’t even a prototype weapons in the usual meaning of the word. Its layout, in principle, excluded the presence of a warhead or guidance systems that are equipped with modern cruise missiles. Compact (length without accelerator - 4 m) radio-controlled model, resembling a chisel in shape. The only task of “Wavewider” was to dial 5M and hold on at this speed for at least a couple of minutes.



What is the obvious conclusion of the test results? Existing technologies are clearly not enough to translate into reality the tale of the “hypersonic weapon”.

Another well-known project, the baby “X-43”, quickly accelerated to nine speeds of sound due to the 20-ton solid fuel rocket “Pegasus”. After that, his own ramjet was launched.

After separation from the upper stage, the fiery extravaganza continued for as long as 11 seconds, and then the burnt fragments of X-43A fell into the ocean. Only two starts, the world speed record for LA in the atmosphere, incredible 9,6 M. At least a second for a dream!

The record remained a record. Judging by the 13-year break, the X-43 program has shown very great prospects.

Speed ​​up and go wild

That's all that allows modern technology in the field of hypersound.

We are talking about flights in the stratosphere at an altitude of 20-30 km using aerodynamic principles of flight. Those. when using bearing surfaces (wings) to create lift.

There are many technical means that develop hypersonic speeds in the upper atmosphere, at altitudes of 50 and more than km. All of them belong to the field of rocket technology.

At an altitude of 80 kilometers the atmospheric pressure is 100 000 times lower than that of the ground. This, to a certain extent, eliminates the danger of a “thermal barrier” when driving on a hypersound. On the other hand, it makes impossible the work of jet engines receiving an oxidizing agent from oncoming air flow. Moreover, even such high speeds are not capable of creating a lifting force in a rarefied environment.

In this case, only the ballistic trajectory. TRTR or two-component rocket engine.

However, 80 km - a clear bust. Based on the well-known test results of hypersonic LA equipped with ramjet, the maximum flight altitude for them is in the area of ​​30-35 km. At high altitudes, steady aerodynamic flight is practically unrealizable.

There are low-speed high-altitude aircraft with large wings: U-2, M-55 “Geophysics”, UAV “Zephyr”, capable of reaching altitudes 20 + km. As you may have guessed, the focus is due to the disproportionately large wing. But the wing area cannot grow forever. While increasing altitude, the density of the atmosphere continues to decrease exponentially.

But you can increase the speed of flight! What will lead? At an altitude of 100 km (Karman line), the speed required to create lift will exceed the first cosmic one. What makes the use of aerodynamics itself meaningless.

At an altitude of 30 km, the wings still cling to the discharged air. But there is a “thermal barrier” ahead, ready to burn the hypersonic aircraft in a matter of minutes.

But the wings melted into the heat,
And in the sea, forever blue,
Madman fell from a height.


Well, the introduction, as always, was delayed. Let's look at how the domestic project “Icarus” looks like against the background of foreign attempts to break through the speed barrier.

Interspecific missile complex with a hypersonic missile / anti-ship missile of operational purpose ZM-22 “Zircon”.

What is known today about “Zircon”?

1. Equipped with a starting accelerator and marching ramjet.

2. On tests, he was able to develop a speed corresponding to the Mach number 8, which by 60% exceeded the calculated speed 5M.

3. Flight range estimates vary within 400 ... 1000 km.

4. The missile is equipped with a warhead weighing 400 kg.

5. Mass-dimensions of “Zircon” correspond to КР “Caliber”, due to which storage and launching from the standard cell of the UCSC is ensured.



Information and entertainment format of the article prevents the emergence of any distant predictions and conclusions. The only thing that we can say at this stage: the claimed TTC of the “Zircon” to a large extent disagree with the published tests of Western LA of a similar purpose.

Against the background of the successes of “Zircon”, one can only wonder at the curvature and lack of talent of the designers of the Boeing and the Office of Perspective Projects (DARPA).

The starting mass of the X-51A Waverider (1814 kg “dry weight” + 120 kg of fuel) is approaching the upper mass boundary of the CR of the “Caliber” family.

With all this, “Wavewider” does not have a warhead. And it has a much lower flight speed.

Experimental hypersonic aircrafts are launched from the B-52 bomber at an altitude of 13 000 m at carrier speed 800-900 km / h. Under such conditions, at the moment of separation from the carrier, they possess a considerable reserve of potential and kinetic energy. That allows to reduce the power requirements (and, therefore, save on mass) of the accelerator accelerator. *

* The ramjet engine is inoperable on the dialup, so even when starting from the wing of a flying aircraft hypersonic rocket requires additional acceleration.

In contrast to foreign air-based KR, the “Zircon” is created to equip ships of the Navy. This means starting from the surface. And flying through the dense layers of air (75% of atmospheric mass is concentrated within 10 000 m).

Given these circumstances, the “Zircon” should have a much more massive starting accelerator.

For comparison: when creating a Bramos-A air-launched anti-ship missile system, due to the rejection of the launch accelerator, the launch mass of the rocket reduced by 500 kg (2,5 tons versus 3 tons in the ship-based version).

In general, as I said, I do not intend to make any loud conclusions. In my personal conviction, the stated characteristics of the Zircon in the form of a compact 6 fly-up cruise missile with a ramjet engine are far from reality. The developers of Zircon (NPO Mashinostroeniya) also do not comment on the development of the advanced RCC and, despite international interest and media hype, have not even presented its layout yet.

To date, the “Zircon” flies only in the media space, burning enemy aircraft carriers and carrier fleets. At that time, while “Khibiny” are burning out the electronic filling of the destroyers.

Firetail Devil

Today's story will not be complete without the X-32 rocket. Briefly her история (from the media point of view) is as follows.

In 1968, the “stupid” creators of the X-22 RCC, set the maximum height of its flight at the level of 20-25 km. Modern “smart” designers took and launched exactly the same rocket to a height of 40-45 km. That's right, because why fly low, if you can fly twice as high.

The ceiling was doubled, without making any changes to the aerodynamic shape of the anti-ship missile: the same fuselage, the same wing, there are no external differences.

To increase the degree of intrigue, the air pressure at 42 km altitude is 17 times lower than at 22 km altitude.

According to Zhukovsky's theorem, the magnitude of the lifting force is directly proportional to a) the density of the medium b) the speed of the air flow and c) the circulation of the air flow. So, attention, focus: speed increased only 1,5 times, wing parameters remained the same, air became thinner 17 times. But the lifting force remained at the same level!

No, dear, no joke. Rocket X-32 exists. Under it, a carrier is even allocated - the Tu-22М3М supersonic bomber (serial No. 4898649, 9804 board), whose on-board equipment was adapted to the upgraded missile.



The solution to this problem is that the real flight profile of the X-32 differs markedly from the generally accepted fairy tale (or science fiction, as you like). By reducing the mass of the warhead and increasing the fuel reserves, as well as making changes to the rocket engine (the details are classified), it became possible to increase the maximum flight altitude on the ballistic curve from 22 to 40 km.

This flight profile is not very attractive when overcoming air defense / missile defense of ship-borne units. At a maximum height, the rocket is just one instant, followed by the inevitable decline along a quasi-ballistic curve. Those. most of the flight time, X-32, like its predecessor, is in the zone of destruction of the ship-based air defense system.

However, who are interested in these boring details!

Let's better evaluate the results of hitting the Zircon on the flight deck of the newest aircraft carrier of the Gerald Ford class:

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  1. Bongo
    Bongo 1 December 2017 06: 14
    28
    Well, Oleg in his role is a loud headline and a mass of unconfirmed and very controversial statements. But if you don’t take all this seriously, then you get a good entertaining reading. good
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 1 December 2017 06: 24
      +8
      To date, the “Zircon” flies only in the media space, burning enemy aircraft carriers and carrier fleets. At that time, while “Khibiny” are burning out the electronic filling of the destroyers.

      But as aptly said ... smile

      I believe we will have to wait until this really happens ... there is still time ...
      the deck of Gerald Ford is so wide ... it's hard to resist the temptation to pull something big into it. smile
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 1 December 2017 06: 56
          +3
          This Kaptsov is manipulating to achieve maximum interest in the article. In other words - forgery, in the common people DECEPTION.



          UUUU ... Oleg is not good .... people breed like suckers are not good am ... I am vindictive.
    2. Santa Fe
      1 December 2017 06: 52
      +4
      Quote: Bongo
      a lot of unsubstantiated and very controversial statements

      Here is the immaculate material -
      https://topwar.ru/113537-novaya-ugroza-pro-ssha-c
      irkon-dostig-8-skorostey-zvuka.html
    3. tlauicol
      tlauicol 1 December 2017 07: 26
      11
      Rather, MO and journalists in their role are high-profile headlines and unconfirmed statements. Oleg simply indicates that this is, to put it mildly, not true, with the help of the laws of physics and healthy meaning
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 1 December 2017 12: 04
        +6
        Not certainly in that way.
        He simply indicates that since the Americans themselves fail, then we will not succeed even more so. And the "laws of physics" are there, for the beauty of the syllable.
        Everything is strictly within the framework of the radiant USA and bastard Russia.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 1 December 2017 12: 41
          17
          Quote: Mestny
          Not certainly in that way.
          He simply indicates that since the Americans themselves fail, then we will not succeed even more so. And the "laws of physics" are there, for the beauty of the syllable.
          Everything is strictly within the framework of the radiant USA and bastard Russia.


          No. Everything is within the framework of logic.
          If the modernization of the USK for the future Zircons includes the dimensions available onyxes - then any person with at least some kind of drop of brains understands that there are no fairy tales.

          Zircon will not be at the same time: hypersonic, long-range and with warheads of 400 kilograms.
          WILL NOT BE!!!
          These are the very laws of physics.

          Do you understand this?
          And Oleg is doing everything right.
          Mocking, trollite idiots. which are little themselves without brains, but also work on manuals.
          1. xtur
            xtur 1 December 2017 16: 11
            0
            > WILL NOT BE !!!

            then it will have special warheads for compaction and greater effect. What brains are not enough to suggest such an option?
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 1 December 2017 19: 02
              +7
              Quote: xtur
              > WILL NOT BE !!!

              then it will have special warheads for compaction and greater effect. What brains are not enough to suggest such an option?


              Yes, yes ... Let's put a special warhead on everyone on an anti-ship tactical missile!
              let's put nuclear warheads on all 20-24 Zircon missiles that will stand in Nakhimov.
              And then we will also put on each corvette ...
              And then for each missile defense and air defense missile systems - also put special warheads ...

              You would have grown wiser, at least a little ... And did not deal with picking Wunderwaffe from the nose ...
              1. Lock36
                Lock36 2 December 2017 18: 00
                0
                Something you were so upset about? Does it bake?
                Yes, there is no Zircon and cannot be "according to the laws of physics", calm down already.
                1. DrVintorez
                  DrVintorez 2 December 2017 20: 44
                  +3
                  damn, according to the laws of biology of some people can not be! and you are ...
                  1. Lock36
                    Lock36 5 December 2017 12: 23
                    +1
                    Well, for those like you - really like dirt, I think that it pleases you very much)))
              2. xtur
                xtur 2 December 2017 19: 28
                +1
                > Yes, yes ... On the anti-ship tactical missile let's all put special

                this is what rocket you’re talking about now, wise guy. Since when has the anti-aircraft rocket become tactical?
                I’ll open my eyes to you - there is a whole class of tactical nuclear weapons that can even be placed in a 152 mm self-propelled gun. If you need a hypersonic missile, and only special warheads fit into its dimensions, then this should stop it ? in the USSR, for almost every missile defense system and anti-ship missiles, and even torpedoes there was an option with special warheads.

                > You would have grown wiser, at least a little

                if I could, I would lend you a little of my brains, just a little, just so much that your conscience would wake up, and at the same time not burn out from the awareness of the power that a normal brain gives a person
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 3 December 2017 19: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: xtur

                  if I could, I would lend you some of my brains,


                  Yes, you do not have this a little bit.
                  Because you don’t even understand, in principle, you don’t understand why then they put the Special BCH ... you don’t understand "that"tactics and those forces, means (attack and defense) which"then"used ...
                  And what tactics are now, what forces and means are now ...
                  You just don’t understand ... For you don’t even have a little bit

                  To do this, we must understand, we must read the history of the armies, analyze what, why. why. Search for causal relationships.
                  But you are not capable.
                  A little bit not even
                  1. xtur
                    xtur 3 December 2017 22: 33
                    0
                    > For you don't even have a little

                    Repeat more often to believe yourself. From your denial of reality, in which the RF Armed Forces are actively using tactical nuclear weapons, it is clear who does not have a little bit, and who has everything in order

                    > And what are the tactics now, what are the forces and means now ...

                    you are either irresponsibly inadequate, or you are a masochist, and you like to be humiliated. Everyone knows that the Russian Federation has a bunch of tactical nuclear weapons, and they haven’t gone anywhere, and they’re not going to put them anywhere.

                    And in the fleet, the special warheads were removed, because they believed that the United States had ceased to be probable partner number 1 and stopped seriously considering the tasks of confronting him on the water. But even in such conditions, almost all KR and RCC have two options - with special warheads and conventional warheads.

                    In the army they solve only one problem - to win with the available outfit of resources. And anyone understands that now, at sea, with such an asymmetry of forces, the military tasks assigned to the Navy cannot be solved without the active use of special warheads
          2. vadim dok
            vadim dok 1 December 2017 17: 08
            +2
            I AGREE 100%!
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 1 December 2017 12: 38
      +3
      Quote: Bongo
      loud headline and a mass of unconfirmed and very controversial statements.

      In my personal opinion, the declared characteristics of the Zircon in the form of a compact 6-fly cruise missile with ramjet are far from reality.

      RCC Zircon generally does not exist in nature, and only the “krivoruky” specialists from DAARPA and Boing are able to create something breakthrough in the topic of hyperspeed aircraft. (Sarcasm)
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 1 December 2017 19: 03
        +4
        Quote: NEXUS

        RCC Zircon generally does not exist in nature, and only the “krivoruky” specialists from DAARPA and Boing are able to create something breakthrough in the topic of hyperspeed aircraft. (Sarcasm)


        I understand that you did not understand the meaning of the article ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 1 December 2017 19: 05
          +2
          Quote: ZVO
          I understand that you did not understand the meaning of the article ...

          I understand that you did not understand the meaning of my comment.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 1 December 2017 21: 27
            +8
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: ZVO
            I understand that you did not understand the meaning of the article ...

            I understand that you did not understand the meaning of my comment.


            Your comment is clear.
            I just once again "chew" that. what Oleg wrote.
            1. We do not know anything about Zircon, except for the stupidest triumphant reports from the bowels of the PiaR service of the Russian Defense Ministry.
            2. We know something about USK. And its size. which will be put on all future ships of the Russian Navy. The standard. Now all of our missile weapons will be unified in size. And there will be no monsters and dwarfs. There will be no monsters at all, dwarfs will be stacked several pieces in one launch container.
            3. Indirectly, there is information that the onyx modernization is under the Zircon code and will be put in the same USK.
            4. The only public real photo-video materials of a real hypersonic device is the WaveRider. Seeing its characteristics and dimensions - we understand that it is impossible to get anything attributed to Zircon in its size!

            and the matter is not in the States, or DARPA - the matter is in the physics of aircraft, their size, mass, etc.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 2 December 2017 19: 14
              +3
              Quote: ZVO
              We do not know anything about Zircon, except for the stupid victorious reports from the bowels of the PiaR service of the RF Ministry of Defense.

              Truth? I have not heard a single official word. Only TASS "anonymous sources", and behind them - a legion of "network experts".
              Quote: ZVO
              USK. And its size. which will be put on all future ships of the Russian Navy. Standard

              Hello, Mk 41, not even 30 years have passed. And they breathed, they breathed, our Granites will leave us.
              Quote: ZVO
              The only public real photo-video footage of a real hypersonic apparatus

              The first photo of the article was, by the way, on the ax. In the article about zircon, yes.
              1. DrVintorez
                DrVintorez 2 December 2017 20: 47
                0
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                so breathed, so breathed, our Granites will leave us.

                as it is uneven in to granites breathe. it’s scary to say what will happen to you when you learn about onyx, yachting, pomegranate or a volcano.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2017 06: 17
    +1
    Today, Zircon flies only in the media space,
    request Seriously? but what about the tests, but what about the "Nakhimov", whose modernization with the placement of "zircons" is planned? and in the end, mass production is planned for the year 18, is that all wrong? and yes ... the picture is good ...
    1. Santa Fe
      1 December 2017 07: 16
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      but what about the test

      The next time they write - exceeded the speed of sound 9.
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      and in the end, the 18 year is scheduled for mass production — is this all wrong?

      The existence of a cruise missile with a specified set of characteristics -
      speed 6-8М, range 4000 ... 1000 km, starting weight - 3 tons

      in doubt
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2017 07: 56
        +2
        Quote: Santa Fe
        in doubt

        this is normal. doubt is an adequate human reaction. BUT, the fact that the States are alarmed, indicates that the "zircon" is more likely alive than dead.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 1 December 2017 12: 43
          10
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: Santa Fe
          in doubt

          this is normal. doubt is an adequate human reaction. BUT, the fact that the States are alarmed, indicates that the "zircon" is more likely alive than dead.


          Where did they get excited?
          Just do not bring here the stupid Majumar and his National interests ...
          These are stupid people. at the level of attendants from a bench.
          1. shans2
            shans2 1 December 2017 13: 43
            0
            But are you smarter than everyone here, including engineers?)
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 1 December 2017 14: 34
              +6
              Quote: shans2
              But are you smarter than everyone here, including engineers?)


              Well, 2 engineering degrees I have ...
              1. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 1 December 2017 17: 47
                0
                Quote: ZVO
                Well, 2 engineering degrees I have ...

                Why two engineering?
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 1 December 2017 19: 05
                  +5
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Well, 2 engineering degrees I have ...

                  Why two engineering?


                  Life makes adjustments to the needs of life and, accordingly, the requirements for education.
          2. prorab_ak
            prorab_ak 1 December 2017 17: 31
            +1
            These are stupid people. at the level of attendants from a bench

            They are not stupid .... they are just ours laughing
    2. tlauicol
      tlauicol 1 December 2017 07: 30
      +2
      There will be no zircon on Nakhimov, and it will not be released in 18
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2017 07: 58
        0
        Quote: Tlauicol
        There will be no zircon on Nakhimov, and it will not be released in 18

        proof of ? MO has a different opinion.
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 1 December 2017 08: 47
          +3
          Another opinion is not earlier than the 21st
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2017 08: 59
            0
            Quote: Tlauicol
            There will be no zircon on Nakhimov,

            decide whether or not it will be ... request
            1. tlauicol
              tlauicol 1 December 2017 09: 10
              +6
              this is the opinion of the MO you trust.
              My opinion is this: Nakhimov will not be in the year 21 either. Zircon with the declared xs likely never
              1. Mestny
                Mestny 1 December 2017 12: 05
                +1
                Yes, what is there. And Nakhimov also doesn’t really exist! This is all media space!
                Swindlers! Enough tolerating this!
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 1 December 2017 13: 04
                  11
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Yes, what is there. And Nakhimov also doesn’t really exist! This is all media space!

                  Media space - this is the statement of the Moscow Region that Admiral Gorshkov will be handed over to the fleet in 2012.
                  And how - surrendered? wink
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 2 December 2017 09: 25
                0
                Quote: Tlauicol
                My opinion is this: Nakhimov will not be in the year 21 either.

                This is a bold statement.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 1 December 2017 12: 40
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Seriously? but what about the tests, but what about the "Nakhimov", whose modernization with the placement of "zircons" is planned? and in the end, mass production is planned for the year 18, is that all wrong? and yes ... the picture is good ...

      The main caliber of Nakhimov? What are you talking about? The modernization of Nakhimov is dumb drank the defense budget, and Zircon is a fairy tale for urapatriots. And so it is sperlivepolymers. (Sarcasm)
    4. vadim dok
      vadim dok 1 December 2017 17: 09
      0
      Beautiful "picture" and ONLY!
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 1 December 2017 18: 50
        0
        And the earth is generally flat!
    5. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 2 December 2017 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      mass production planned for 18

      Can't they just lie to you? Didn’t think? Who, by the way, is planned, Shoigu? When did he talk about this?
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 2 December 2017 20: 50
        0
        Quote: Cherry Nine
        Can't they just lie to you? Didn’t think? Who, by the way, is planned, Shoigu? When did he talk about this?

        can and will! come on, jam! destroy politics!

        if you don’t have permission and you don’t know, but just a clone of Oleg, then do not show off, behave yourself with dignity.
  3. Deck
    Deck 1 December 2017 06: 47
    +5
    Against the background of the successes of “Zircon”, one can only wonder at the curvature and lack of talent of the designers of the Boeing and the Office of Perspective Projects (DARPA).

    Today, Zircon flies only in the media space, burning enemy aircraft carriers and aircraft carrier fleets.


    I did not understand the author: what is the success of Zircon? In flights in the media space? And where is the krivorukovy “Boeing” flies? There?
  4. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 1 December 2017 06: 59
    +8
    I'd like Oleg to look at zircon. But it is impossible, the form of admission does not allow. Because of this, a conclusion is drawn, since I have not seen it, it means it does not exist and is impossible.
    1. Santa Fe
      1 December 2017 07: 21
      +9
      Quote: DrVintorez
      But it is impossible, the form of admission does not allow

      Caliber, Iskander and the ship's shooting complex can be viewed in the smallest details.


      And for Zircon, which is PR for the sixth year in a row, you can't even look from afar
      Maybe because Caliber does not violate physical laws and exists in reality, unlike Zircon
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 1 December 2017 07: 49
        18
        Quote: Santa Fe
        Maybe because Caliber does not violate physical laws and exists in reality, unlike Zircon

        Ancient as the guano mammoth MiG-31 seems to violate the laws of physics, because its RLE is nowhere in the public domain. On the MiG-25RB - please. But on 31, no. And there is no RLE on the Su-35, Su-34 and even Su-27. Here on the Su-27SK RLE there is - this is a real airplane, and the rest is fiction. Logically, fig. good
        1. Santa Fe
          1 December 2017 08: 01
          +2
          Quote: Alex_59
          MiG-31 seems to violate the laws of physics, because its RLE is nowhere in the public domain.

          Enough data available, any detail in detail.
          MiG-31BM:

          Radar with PAR
          Target detection range - 320 km (240 km according to the poster at the exhibition of equipment in Kubinka 02.04.2009 g.)
          Target tracking range - to 280 km
          The number of simultaneously accompanied targets - 24 (10 according to the Ministry of Defense) targets with simultaneous shelling of 6 targets (according to a poster at an exhibition of equipment in Kubinka 02.04.2009 and reports of the Ministry of Defense)


          Onboard computer (MiG-31):
          BTsVM "Argon-K" / "Argon-15" / A-15
          - weight - 53 kg
          - performance - 100000 op / s
          - RAM - 4 KB
          - ROM - 72 KB
          - summation speed 1,2 μs
          - multiplication - 10 μs
          - time between failures - 500 hours
          Controls missile launch, defines and maintains 4 targets.

          Infrared direction finder
          Front hemisphere heat finder 8ТК / 8ТП on retractable turret (detection range - up to 50 km, horizontal viewing sector 120 degrees, vertical - from -13 to + 6 degrees)
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 1 December 2017 08: 02
            11
            Quote: Santa Fe
            Everything is

            Do you know what RLE is? Dvoeshnik, you find out first and then torment the keyboard))))))))
            1. Santa Fe
              1 December 2017 08: 04
              +2
              Quote: Alex_59
              RLE

              here even the layout is not allowed to look

              Or just a poster from the exhibition, because so much talk about it
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 1 December 2017 08: 25
                +9
                Quote: Santa Fe
                here even the layout is not allowed to look

                You retroactively correct your posts with the master I watch))) You return as if in a frying pan. )))))))))))
                Kindergarten ... Playing war games ... What for you a poster? There, agitators will draw you such a prodigy, wobble. Then you will write again - a-i-i-th, a lie! You write at least honestly - I don’t rummage, I don’t study physics, I don’t do calculations, I don’t have access to CD or RLE, but I think this is impossible and all this is fiction. This will be honest. )))
                1. Santa Fe
                  1 December 2017 09: 25
                  +7
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  You write at least honestly - I don’t rummage, I don’t study physics, I don’t do calculations, I don’t have access to CD or RLE, but I think that this is impossible and all this is fiction.

                  Immediately, as soon as the authors of the articles on Zircon make a similar recognition, we insert photos of the American rocket, reprint the same set of numbers from each other, allegedly related to the Zircon rocket.

                  If the MO post screenshots - I also have the right to express my opinion. As you see, I live with my conscience, and not with a strange mind. I brought the facts - try to disprove. How does a rocket with such impressive performance characteristics keep the dimensions of the Caliber.

                  Western experiments show the nontriviality of ensuring flight with 5M
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  What do you poster? There to you agitators such vundervaffe will draw, you will rock.

                  I'll tell you so - the publication of any specifics, layout or appearance of the device will cause too many questions. And make it clear that this is a fake. And so - you can keep the intrigue for a couple of years, and then everyone will forget. How to forget about the X-90 Koala, and there was a time promoting on all resources
                  1. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 1 December 2017 09: 35
                    +7
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    I will tell you so - the publication of any specifics, layout diagram or appearance of the device will raise too many questions. And it will make it clear that this is a fake. And so - you can maintain the intrigue for a couple of years, and then everyone will forget.

                    Is not a fact. Not at all obvious. Maybe so, but maybe not. With a high degree of probability, I can assume that Zircon is an experimental apparatus, which the journalists, sensible for sensation, gave out as an already debugged weapon system. Those. he is, they are testing him, but the agitation inflated the sensation of the wunderwaffe from routine engineering work. This is a perfectly valid scenario.
                    Or another example. MiG-25. Everyone knows that this is a super-duper wunderwaffe, terhmah plane, all things. Fake? PR? Agitation? Yes and no. We take RLE and read. Yes, it flies to 3M. The question is how many minutes can it fly at 3M speed? Especially with pendants. And there it is very interestingly written about this, I recommend it. ))) Nevertheless, the weapon is more than serious, quite real, not a fake.
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    I brought the facts - try to refute.

                    Yes nafig need)))))
                    1. Santa Fe
                      1 December 2017 10: 14
                      +5
                      Quote: Alex_59
                      With a high degree of probability, I can assume that the Zircon is an experimental device, which the journalists, who are greedy for the sensation, have been given for the already well-established weapons system

                      Now try to explain this thought to those who believe that Zircon will go to ships in 2018

                      It's much more interesting than singing along with the crowd.
                      Quote: Alex_59
                      And there it is very interestingly written about this, I recommend

                      Once the conversation has started, it is interesting to read something new about Zircon and Waverider. Can you add something?
                      Quote: Alex_59
                      Yes nafig need)))))

                      you may be right, well nafig such disputes)) you have repeatedly demonstrated quite unexpected examples of logic on topwar
                      Quote: Alex_59
                      Fake? PR? Agitation?

                      No, the 2,5-3М milestone is the norm for that era
                      MO always publishes maximum parameters under ideal conditions, it is not a secret

                      Questions could start if they told 4M
                      1. Alex_59
                        Alex_59 1 December 2017 10: 42
                        0
                        Quote: Santa Fe
                        Now try to explain this thought to those who believe that Zircon will go to ships in 2018

                        What for? what
                      2. Satanator
                        Satanator 1 December 2017 15: 28
                        0
                        "Questions could begin if they had announced about 4M"

                        clocked up to almost 4M, it ended sadly - the lamp broke, the pilot died
                  2. coach colch
                    coach colch 1 December 2017 22: 42
                    0
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    How they forgot about the X-90 Koala, and there was time PR on all resources

                    And who told you that they forgot .., No.
                    Secret ... already in the army hi
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2017 07: 59
      +2
      Quote: DrVintorez
      I'd like Oleg to look at zircon. But it is impossible, the form of admission does not allow. Because of this, a conclusion is drawn, since I have not seen it, it means it does not exist and is impossible.

      classic ... "this can not be, because there can never be .." Chekhov Palych (C)
      1. Santa Fe
        1 December 2017 08: 19
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        classic ... "this can not be, because there can never be .." Chekhov Palych (C)

        X-32 - everything is known about it, including the b / n of the aircraft carrier
        Zircon - six years of promises, no layout, no specifics, no statements by officials
        1. DrVintorez
          DrVintorez 1 December 2017 08: 23
          20
          Has anyone seen Kaptsov? How many letters, but no layout, no specifics, or statements by officials. Probably it does not exist.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 1 December 2017 08: 27
            +9
            Quote: DrVintorez
            Has anyone seen Kaptsov? How many letters, but no layout, no specifics, or statements by officials. Probably it does not exist.

            laughing laughing laughing Ahhhh, I was lying really funny)))))))))))
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2017 09: 04
          +1
          Quote: Santa Fe
          Zircon - six years of promises, no layout, no specifics, no statements by officials

          come on...! Is there no connection on your Island? information (available) is enough.
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 December 2017 13: 07
          +6
          Quote: Santa Fe
          X-32 - everything is known about it, including the b / n of the aircraft carrier
          Zircon - six years of promises, no layout, no specifics, no statements by officials

          In this case, until 2010, the T-50 did not exist. And until 2015, "Almaty" did not exist.
          For on them, too, there was not a single image. smile
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 2 December 2017 19: 21
            +6
            Quote: Alexey RA
            In this case, until 2010, the T-50 did not exist. And until 2015, "Almaty" did not exist.

            They still do not exist, as far as I know. Layouts, samples, prototypes. There can be no talk of adopting it in the 18th.
            1. DrVintorez
              DrVintorez 2 December 2017 20: 53
              0
              boy, you are a client of an interesting institution. most likely secondary school.
  5. Alex_59
    Alex_59 1 December 2017 07: 01
    +7
    However, who cares about these boring details.
    Take any ballistic calculator and calculate how long this missile can be on a trajectory close to the ballistic, in the altitude range from 40 to 50 kilometers (with an average of about 45) and then write your anti-scientific nonsense.
    1. Santa Fe
      1 December 2017 07: 31
      +1
      Quote: Alex_59
      Take any ballistic calculator and calculate how long this rocket can travel on a trajectory close to ballistic, in the altitude range from 40 to 50 kilometers

      0 seconds

      All sources indicated maximum flight height 40 km
      http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-756.html
      http://naukatehnika.com/kryilataya-raketa-x-32-pr
      inyata-na-vooruzhenie-vks-rossii.html
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 1 December 2017 07: 46
        +2
        Quote: Santa Fe
        0 seconds
        Rejected. Payments to the studio. Otherwise, it is free.
        Quote: Santa Fe
        All sources indicate maximum flight altitude 40 km

        Links are poppy. Lay out a scan of the “instruction manual”. There really accurate performance characteristics. Really looking forward to the scan.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 1 December 2017 07: 54
          +5
          Quote: Alex_59
          Links are poppy. Lay out a scan of the “instruction manual”. There really accurate performance characteristics. Really looking forward to the scan.

          laughing This is a prohibited method !!!!
          Hello Alexey hi
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 1 December 2017 08: 14
            +2
            Quote: Serg65
            Hello Alexey

            Good afternoon. Here, have fun here ...)))))))))
        2. Santa Fe
          1 December 2017 07: 56
          +7
          Quote: Alex_59
          Lay out a scan of the "instruction manual". There really accurate TTX. I'm really looking forward to the scan.

          Immediately after you lay out a scan about the flight altitude 50 km
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 1 December 2017 08: 04
            +5
            Quote: Santa Fe
            Immediately after you lay out a scan about the flight altitude 50 km
            Did I really refer to the TTX and some left links?
            I can lay out calculations from a ballistic calculator that show that a long flight of a rocket with energy, mass and size X-32 at a variable height from 40 to 50 km does not deny the laws of physics. But then, this takes time, but now is not up to it, I’m making money here, as it were))))))
            1. Santa Fe
              1 December 2017 09: 05
              +1
              Quote: Alex_59
              And I did refer to the performance characteristics

              Are you serious now?
              Quote: Alex_59
              rockets with power, weight and dimensions X-32

              Then where did you get its mass and size. As well as traction and mass flow components
              Quote: Alex_59
              from 40 to 50 km do not deny the laws of physics

              we are talking about a particular product. where did you get the data for calculation
              Quote: Alex_59
              but now I don’t care, I’m kind of making money here

              let's go without further details
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 1 December 2017 09: 28
                +2
                Quote: Santa Fe
                we are talking about a particular product. where did you get the data for calculation

                I’m only talking about the fact that, from open source data for the X-22 rocket, calculations can be made that theoretically confirm the possibility of throwing it along a half-trajectory close to ballistic at altitudes from 40 to 50 km for a time sufficient to achieve a range of 600-1000 km.
                I absolutely agree that these calculations are approximate. Like all calculations, they have an error. But this is much closer to reality than the categorical statement "0 seconds and no more than 40 km, because there it is written on the fence like that."
                CD and accurate performance characteristics do not have neither you nor me. But unlike you, I do not state anything categorically. In theory, the X-22 can fly as claimed for the X-32. No obstacles from physics.
                1. Santa Fe
                  1 December 2017 09: 52
                  +2
                  It is strange that the creators of X-22 did not know about this. With them she flew half as much twice as less.
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  X-22 can do the calculations, which theoretically confirm the possibility of throwing

                  For this you need to know, for example, the engine running time. which directly depends on the amount of fuel on board. Theoretically, a rocket may consist of fuel tanks alone, but how does this relate to reality?

                  Sources indicate to the widow a smaller range and altitude for x-22, and this is more reliable than your calculation without taking into account the amount of fuel on board (in fact, an arbitrarily chosen value) and the length of the active segment. Plus air resistance, the curvature of the earth's surface, the characteristics of the carrier and TP
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  "0 seconds and no more 40 km, because over there on the fence it is written like this."

                  In MO advertising statements, it is customary to indicate the maximum possible values ​​under ideal conditions.
                  1. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 1 December 2017 10: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    It is strange that the creators of X-22 did not know about this. With them she flew half as much twice as less.

                    Nothing strange. They were based on the experience gained at that time. And they made the product for a specific task. At that moment, the task was not to take the rocket to the altitude of 40-50 km.
                    A similar example is the explosive increase in the range of the C-300. How many PTs were there? 75 kilometers? And it became 200 at PM2. With a very slight increase in the mass-dimensional characteristics of the rocket.
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    To do this, you need to know, for example, the operating time of the engine. which directly depends on the amount of fuel on board.

                    This is all known and in the calculations about which I speak - it is taken into account. You say you read Markovsky, but you don’t know about the fuel and oxidizer reserves? Read diagonally?
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    In MO advertising statements, it is customary to indicate the maximum possible values ​​under ideal conditions.

                    I don’t know what is customary in the Moscow Region. They have a lot of things accepted there. Pictures out of video games post. Authentic pictures, huh?
                    1. alstr
                      alstr 1 December 2017 11: 52
                      +1
                      At the S-300 PT, the first missile flew to a distance of 45 km. The second is 75.
                      There was still a missile with an YaZ, but no one saw it in the troops.
                      And only in the 2000s did more long-range missiles appear
        3. tlauicol
          tlauicol 1 December 2017 07: 57
          +2
          Instructions for use of what? Which product is not? You have a very convenient position for an argument, don’t you?
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 1 December 2017 08: 35
            +6
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Instructions for use of what?

            OK. Let the CD lay out.
            Why am I so stubborn. Because more than once I compared what they write in some Wikipedia and in these documents. For example, almost all official documents on the MiG-29 were declassified - both the RLE, and Practical Aerodynamics, and all the instructions. This is of course sabotage and disgust, but it is. And I somehow mastered the complex 9K72. And he took and read the real documentation on it with his hands, then it was still with the signature stamp of chipboard. The amount of information in it is such that its average person simply cannot master it; nobody is interested. Therefore, in these Wikipedia they write soooo roughly rough data. These are all popular science entertainment materials. And the truth is it in the documents, according to which this technique is actually exploited. But they cannot be found on modern designs - secretly. And it is right.
  6. Old26
    Old26 1 December 2017 08: 23
    +6
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    Seriously? but what about the tests, but what about the "Nakhimov", whose modernization with the placement of "zircons" is planned? and in the end, mass production is planned for the year 18, is that all wrong? and yes ... the picture is good ...

    Tests yes, they are. And the rest, Oleg is right. Flights are most of all in the media space, where this rocket has already become the next Wunderwaffe.
    “Nakhimov” of course upgrade, but no one ever claimed that under the “Zircon”. It’s just that instead of launchers for the Granites, they’ll put universal launchers in which the Onyx, Caliber, and Zircon missiles can be placed if they are put into service by the time the modernization is completed and, accordingly, the ship’s part of this cruiser will appear weapon systems
  7. Serg65
    Serg65 1 December 2017 08: 33
    +9
    laughing For two days, as many as 2 articles about the "End of aircraft carriers" good
    Right now, the people are reading these nonsense and decide that we are knee-deep sea !!! What for do we invest in new ships of the 1st and 2nd ranks, when we with the Carcass Zircons of all zafigachem ??? !!!
    And let my friends, play a virtual war game? The arrival of aircraft carriers to the Russian coast is a fairy tale for schoolchildren! The best American aircraft carrier in Europe is Ramstein Air Base wink . The aircraft carriers themselves will be engaged in the protection of convoys from the Atlantic Express, on this basis and consider the actions of the Russian TU-22M3M. The flight range of a bomber without refueling is 7 thousand with copecks, it will have to fly “From around the corner”, that is, under the constant influence of NATO air defense, how many Tushkas will break the air defense line only Allah knows! So TU-22M3M, unfortunately, will have to be almost completely excluded from the game crying . We still have Yaseni, Nakhimov and possibly part of Varshavyanka ( bully I advise the Americans to make amends for the indifference of Russian submariners), well, which of them will break into the open spaces of the Atlantic, choose my friends. yourself!
    Option Two!
    The valiant Russian army goes on a hike to the shores of the Bay of Biscay, and at the end of the hike, both TU-22 and Yaseni and their comrades come into play, but this is a completely different story hi
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2017 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: Serg65
      And let my friends, play a virtual war game? The arrival of aircraft carriers to the Russian coast is a fairy tale for schoolchildren!

      Well, why are fairy tales. The best defense is an attack, and the best PLO is a defeated naval base. smile
      So it’s very possible at the beginning of the conflict to find 4-5 AUGs near you in the Norwegian fjords. From 200 to 300 "hornets" - depending on the composition of the decked wing.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 1 December 2017 11: 07
        +5
        Welcome hi
        Quote: Alexey RA
        it is possible at the beginning of the conflict to find 4-5 AUGs near you in the Norwegian fjords.

        smile Alexei, you must admit that hiding even a couple of AUGs in the fjords before the start of the conflict will be problematic, the same norgi will start taking selfies on the background of Ford and sending them around the world lol
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The best defense is an attack, and the best PLO is a defeated Navy

        I agree, but in my opinion, the axes will do this on their part, and on our Caliber ..... what I think so!
        And the most interesting thing about this is that it’s not the AB that is being monitored, but rather the location of these parasites ..

        hi
        1. komvap
          komvap 1 December 2017 11: 16
          0
          what kind of steamboats?
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 1 December 2017 11: 40
            +8
            Quote: komvap
            what kind of steamboats?

            Ohhhh. these are miraculous steamboats, they belong to the US Shipping Command, and it is their motive that is the harbinger of trouble for other states!

            And here is the former Soviet roller “Vladimir Vaslyaev”, and now “Ms. corporal Roy M. Vit”, now he is also in that company ..
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine 2 December 2017 19: 30
              +1
              Quote: Serg65
              Vladimir Vaslyaev ", and now" Ms. corporal Roy M. Wit ", now he is also in that company.

              Even the ship betrayed the homeland.
              Around treason, cowardice and deceit!
              1. DrVintorez
                DrVintorez 2 December 2017 20: 54
                0
                did you learn math homework?
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine 2 December 2017 21: 14
                  +2
                  Oh, and now we will walk together with you? Are you a girl or a boy?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 December 2017 12: 59
          +4
          Quote: Serg65
          Alexei, you must admit that hiding even a couple of AUGs in the fjords before the start of the conflict will be problematic, the same norgi will start taking selfies on the background of Ford and sending them around the world

          Expand in the waiting area - somewhere in the region of Iceland-Faroe (at the same time imitating the cover of the AUGs of the PLO border). And with the onset of the conflict - to push them to Norway, having previously cleared the area with the help of NATO allies.
          Quote: Serg65
          I agree, but in my opinion the axes will do this on their part, and on our Caliber ..

          Subsonic missile defense has two major problems - air defense and the inability to redirect in flight. For the destruction and reduction of air defense, you will have to use the Air Force: autopsy, target designation, impact of PRR or inconspicuous ALCM due to the radio horizon.
          Quote: Serg65
          And the most interesting thing about this is that it’s not the AB that is being monitored, but rather the location of these parasites ..

          Rather, they are following these:

          If stirring began around them - everything, something big begins.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 1 December 2017 13: 09
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Subsonic missile defense has two big problems - air defense and the inability to redirect in flight

            For covering stationary radars of early detection, carpet covering bases and aerodromes with a large mass, they are quite acceptable.
            Quote: Alexey RA
            To crush and reduce air defense will have to use the Air Force

            I agree, but here it’s easier to use a network of ground airfields!
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Expand in the waiting area - somewhere in the region of Iceland-Faroe (at the same time imitating the cover of the AUGs of the PLO border). And with the start of the conflict - push them to Norway,

            The appearance of the AUG in the Faroe region has always been a concern for the Navy’s General Staff, followed by the sending of our Pikes to the same area, and they will be cleared by the NATO PLO or not — that is the question!
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Rather, they are following these:

            laughing In fact, I wanted to say the same thing drinks
    2. Sivasa
      Sivasa 4 December 2017 11: 59
      0
      I have no idea how the Tu22s can get to the North Atlantic. Purely by the distance you need to go.
  8. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 1 December 2017 08: 48
    +4
    When the Union, I remember, they allocated two (two) regiments Tu-22 with X-22.
    Well, about "Zircon", and so it is clear that this is just a divorce. There are many words, but nothing is represented in the gland. They say "Zircon" is, just believe us. laughing
    Article plus!
  9. Sailor
    Sailor 1 December 2017 08: 49
    0
    Well, everything fell into place, and the previous article, "The Russian Navy no longer needs ships," somehow did not fit into its role.
  10. kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 1 December 2017 09: 26
    +4
    All common sense seems to indicate that Oleg is right, a furious lag in technology, according to many statements by pundits “is not yet a critical but already noticeable lag in fundamental science,” the ridiculous science of “Physics” also seems to be because it CANNOT be but remembering how I first heard about the existence of the “Squall” I just tore to pieces I *** proving that the one who wrote this shit about the existence of such a torpedo just did not hear anything about such a science as physics, but in the end it’s like came out. Although, to be honest, I somehow still can’t believe how much bravado there was as a result of zilch, and the latest statements, for example on MI-28, suggest sad thoughts winked
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 1 December 2017 12: 16
      +4
      Quote: kapitan281271
      All common sense seems to say that Oleg is right

      My friend, common sense says that Oleg is a great fantasy style writer! Only!
      Quote: kapitan281271
      according to many statements by pundits, "not yet a critical but already tangible lag in fundamental science"

      laughing do not believe it, they beg the budget!
    2. Kir
      Kir 1 December 2017 13: 50
      +2
      I will correct a little:
      more often there is not a contradiction to the laws of physics, but a contradiction with our knowledge and (or) understanding of such
      bravado may well be a disinformation and (or) typical of a part of the information department distant from the real situation wishful thinking
  11. tezey
    tezey 1 December 2017 11: 18
    +4
    The author’s deep knowledge in the physics of high-speed flight of aircraft and access to state secrets made a strong impression on me. The conclusion from what has been read is zircon is fantasy, but otherwise, even the Americans did not create such a rocket, and we are far from developed to them. X-32 is notorious junk. So the state is throwing money away and in general it's probably time to give up.
    1. kapitan281271
      kapitan281271 1 December 2017 11: 58
      +5
      Quote: Theseus
      The author’s deep knowledge in the physics of high-speed flight of aircraft and access to state secrets made a strong impression on me. The conclusion from what has been read is zircon is fantasy, but otherwise, even the Americans did not create such a rocket, and we are far from developed to them. X-32 is notorious junk. So the state is throwing money away and in general it's probably time to give up.

      And why don’t you have doubts, for example, which I should have objective prerequisites to believe that the state is engaged in the real business and not in its advertising, science is, to put it mildly, not in the best shape, on the basis of then we made such a technological breakthrough so that the mattresses nervously cry, in the USSR, science was, and you probably know it, in a slightly different position, and we did not make an insurmountable technological separation from the pennies, so why now we can, and we just don’t have to talk about the professional level of our bosses, for example, recently the head of the Russian Networks He showed the GDP of unmanned electrician robots and carried nonsense about 50 thousand repair and restoration teams, the horror is that there weren’t a single Vizier nearby who would whisper NOT-ON-DO about Batman-electricians NOT-FOR-YOU YOUR CHARITY whether you look like an idio ** volume, or it becomes clear that apart from window dressing, we are not doing anything here, oh yes, we still have it according to the wording of the same GDP, “CRAZY” at Someone is a dvorkovich, apparently he will make a technological breakthrough, or maybe the Minister of Industry, Denny Manturov (a sociologist by education who hardly distinguishes a lathe from a milling machine), so the government knows what makes this very bold statement hi
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 1 December 2017 12: 05
        +6
        Oh yo ... In vain I tried to read and understand this.

        Here, take it [.....................]. These are points, they are useful.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 1 December 2017 12: 54
          +3
          Quote: DrVintorez
          Here, take it [.....................]. These are points, they are useful.

          Damn, the second time in a day I’m getting it wrong, you are at your best today! ))))))))))))))))))))))))
          He seems to align these points on a glass table with a credit card and sniffs, and then writes. ))))))))))
          1. kapitan281271
            kapitan281271 1 December 2017 13: 11
            +2
            And earlier on this resource rudeness was a rarity, well what can be seen these are the times wink
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 1 December 2017 13: 44
              +4
              Quote: kapitan281271
              And earlier on this resource rudeness was a rarity, well what can be seen these are the times wink

              So earlier on this resource and crying Princess Olga was a rarity, although times were heavier wink
              1. kapitan281271
                kapitan281271 1 December 2017 15: 01
                +3
                In general, the wife of Prince Igor cried and called her if Efrosinya’s memory serves me, and few people saw Olga’s cry, but many recognized her revenge. But the cheap pseudo-patriotism is expensive!
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 2 December 2017 07: 08
                  +4
                  Quote: kapitan281271
                  But the cheap pseudo-patriotism is expensive!

                  You know, before and now I didn’t notice pseudo-patriotism for Alex_59, unless you consider patriotism the beating in the media of the current government and all that it does and does!
            2. Alex_59
              Alex_59 1 December 2017 14: 13
              0
              Quote: kapitan281271
              And earlier on this resource rudeness was a rarity, well what can be seen these are the times

              Well, sorry. I could not resist, it was funny. I'm not mean at all in life.
              1. kapitan281271
                kapitan281271 1 December 2017 15: 11
                +1
                So laugh, why should I be rude, but seriously, because of my profession, I constantly encounter the “creativity” of our manager ministers and somehow the belief in their adequacy gradually evaporated and the further “funnier”
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 2 December 2017 19: 35
      +3
      Quote: Theseus
      the state throws money away

      Is this news?
      Quote: Theseus
      in general it’s probably time to give up.

      I called the embassy. Record for six months.
  12. viktorch
    viktorch 1 December 2017 11: 35
    +2
    I got the impression from the article that 32 is a magic number, and x-32 is something like a Harry Potter wand,

    ps wash my mole ostyvaetsya
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2017 13: 00
      +2
      Pa-aproshu not to be confused: the magic number is 42. The answer to the main question of life, the universe and all that. smile
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 December 2017 12: 13
    +3
    It is difficult to destroy aircraft carriers with non-existent missiles. smile
    Here’s the maritime version of Caliber with several hundred kilometers that can damage an aircraft carrier
    and a dozen Caliber - even disable it for a long time.
  14. Curious
    Curious 1 December 2017 12: 30
    +4
    There are two types of megacare on the VO site. One between the Khrustobulnikov and the Bolsheviks. The second is between urapatriots and "skeptics." Moreover, cause one that the other there is no problem. You just need to write an article, you can do anything about it at all, but there should be a paragraph in it either criticizing Nicholas II or criticizing that “from the taiga to the British seas” we are all stronger. And the soul swept into paradise.
    For some reason, no one guessed to put these two paragraphs in one article. That would be a batch !!!
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 1 December 2017 13: 12
      +6
      Quote: Curious
      That would be a batch !!!

      belay Fear God, now you will advise ...... stop
      1. Curious
        Curious 1 December 2017 13: 21
        +4
        No, really. An article on the topic, “If it weren’t for the backwardness of tsarist Russia,“ Zircon would have already flown, ”or“ The October Revolution cut off its wings, ”Zircon would have gathered an immense amount of comments.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 1 December 2017 13: 35
          +6
          Quote: Curious
          No, really.

          stop Ugh on you ....
          But srach would be excellent !!!! good drinks
        2. Alex_59
          Alex_59 1 December 2017 14: 20
          +8
          Quote: Curious
          That would be a batch !!!

          You can cool. “If it weren’t for the Bolsheviks, Zircon would have already flown, and the F-35 is a great plane, Israel is buying it right, which is why the bust of Nicholas II is streaming, Stalin was right!”

          Everything! There will be an explosion of a megaton class, in the place of the servers where the VO rotates, a funnel with a depth of a kilometer will remain.
          1. DrVintorez
            DrVintorez 1 December 2017 14: 31
            +4
            Raise bids!
            Zircon was developed with the direct participation of Trotsky personally by Tukhachevsky and adopted by the Red Army in 1937. However, an Austrian artist, realizing his backwardness, in 1941, with the support of three F-35 squadrons and a fleet of 17 Zamvolt destroyers (Dupuis de Lom was the leader), delivered a treacherous blow to the USSR !! ! Since then, the technology of zircons has been lost, as well as the technology of de Loma who died in battle.
            Watch the new super blockbuster in cinemas: "This is not some Matilda for you!"
        3. rodus
          rodus 1 December 2017 16: 24
          +2
          I almost fell out of my chair with laughter, for sure!
    2. parma
      parma 1 December 2017 13: 15
      0
      There is still a way to start cholisrach "EQUIPMENT" or "PROSTINASZAVSE"
    3. Siban
      Siban 1 December 2017 14: 12
      +1
      Quote: Curious
      There are two types of megacare on the VO site. One between the Khrustobulnikov and the Bolsheviks. The second is between urapatriots and "skeptics."
      But the same "xoxlocrach"repeat lol Nostalgie .. crying
      1. Curious
        Curious 1 December 2017 14: 33
        +1
        "Hohlosrach" for hamsters. There, "intellectuals" rarely converge.
        1. activator
          activator 1 December 2017 20: 12
          +2
          Quote: Curious
          "Hohlosrach" for hamsters. There, "intellectuals" rarely converge.

          gee))) Well then, so the Sich motor refuses to supply engines for the zircon rocket laughing or, Ukraine can’t buy strongholds for its army because all this time it delivered them to Russia disguised as t 90
          1. Curious
            Curious 1 December 2017 20: 16
            +3
            Only you write it in the "News" section. There, the main habitat of these cute, but stupid animals.
          2. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 2 December 2017 19: 37
            +1
            Quote: activator
            because all this time Russia delivered them disguised as t 90

            Under Armata.
  15. iouris
    iouris 1 December 2017 12: 42
    +7
    Mind "Zirconium" can not be understood, but in the "Zirconium" can be trusted.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2017 17: 23
      +3
      From zirconium dioxide, the melting point of which is 2715 degrees, it is possible to make fairings and bodies of hypersonic missiles, for speeds from 5 to 10 Machs.
  16. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 1 December 2017 12: 50
    0
    Cho didn’t understand what the essence of the article is, who is blowing someone and when to “laugh”?
  17. shans2
    shans2 1 December 2017 13: 48
    0
    X-22 also does not exist, with a speed of more than 4 max ... because Kaptsov DO NOT BELIEVE)
    1. vadim dok
      vadim dok 1 December 2017 17: 06
      0
      Reminds a screenshot of the game on the site MO.RF !!!
  18. Operator
    Operator 1 December 2017 16: 10
    +2
    Everyone has long understood everything - some journalists and Oleg Kaptsov are poured from empty to empty:
    - in order for Zircon to fly at hypersonic speed, at least a ramjet engine with a supersonic combustion chamber is required, and they could not be built, so Zircon is equipped with a ramjet with a subsonic combustion chamber and flies at supersonic speed (up to 5 M );
    - An X-32 with a rocket engine flies at a marching altitude of 40 km with a marching speed of 4 M, since the aerodynamic heating of the hull is too high at hypersonic, and all potential adversaries, without exception, still lack anti-aircraft missiles capable of intercepting the X-32 (otherwise saying, fig goat button accordion?).

    Another thing is that “experts” like Bongo and Andrey from Chelyabinsk, who seriously claim that in the event of a war with Russia, American AUGs will be attacked by missiles (Caliber, Zircons, X-32), are not far from journalists and Oleg Kaptsov ) with conventional warheads weighing 400-500 kg.
    No brainer, that only thermonuclear warheads with a capacity of 100 ktn and a weight of 100 kg will be used against AUG. From what it becomes clear how worthy the flight range of anti-ship missiles (2500, 1500 and 900 km, respectively), and the complete lack of anti-aircraft missile anti-aircraft defense (undermining the first missile while approaching the anti-aircraft missile defense with EMP generation) and the evaporation of a quarter of the aircraft carrier (undermining the second missile in the immediate vicinity of the side).

    PS We stock up on popcorn and listen to the next mantras of “experts” that the enemy aircraft carriers were going to drown in the USSR with entire aircraft regiments with missiles in conventional equipment (such as the Soviet Navy - the most peaceful fleet in the world) laughing
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 1 December 2017 16: 21
      +1
      As far as I know, the problem is the ionized high-temperature flow in a supersonic sound. COP has not yet been technologically resolved. Even at the stands in Zhukovsky. So I agree, statements on Zircon are not adequate.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 1 December 2017 17: 26
        +2
        The ionization problem was solved during the development of the Meteorite rocket.
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 1 December 2017 17: 36
          +1
          The COP is not critical. But it was not possible to achieve stable guidance in the front of the plane with the M6. Plasma density there is high. But the breakdown did not succeed.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 1 December 2017 18: 14
            +2
            It seems astro correction will not be scary plasma.
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 1 December 2017 18: 32
              +2
              Accuracy is not enough. It is not stationary far.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2017 17: 28
      +1
      “In order for Zircon to fly at hypersonic speed, at least a ramjet engine with a supersonic combustion chamber is needed.” Two-stage scheme TTRD + scramjet.
    3. ZVO
      ZVO 1 December 2017 19: 10
      +3
      Quote: Operator

      Hedgehog it is clear that only thermonuclear warheads with a capacity of 100 kt and a weight of 100 kg will be used against AUG.


      Those. problems with the weight distribution and distribution of the center of mass when changing 400 kg warheads per 100 kg Special warheads - in your imagination does not arise?
      1. Operator
        Operator 1 December 2017 21: 03
        +1
        The weight distribution of a cruise missile is decided by its rational layout - for example, by placing warheads in the center of mass and using two fuel tanks instead of one.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 1 December 2017 21: 29
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          The weight distribution of a cruise missile is decided by its rational layout - for example, by placing warheads in the center of mass and using two fuel tanks instead of one.


          Will you show an example of such a rocket?
          Well, "pure neighing" ...
          1. Operator
            Operator 2 December 2017 13: 23
            0
            I got the impression that you are "laughing" non-stop bully
            1. ZVO
              ZVO 2 December 2017 13: 28
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              I got the impression that you are "laughing" non-stop bully


              Will there be rocket examples?

              I just know that you are always lying - here I am laughing at your opuses ...
              1. Operator
                Operator 2 December 2017 13: 46
                0
                An example of a “Tomahawk” with nuclear and conventional warheads of different weights, while being quite balanced


                PS Please do not worry horses.
                1. ZVO
                  ZVO 3 December 2017 20: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Operator
                  An example of a “Tomahawk” with nuclear and conventional warheads of different weights, while being quite balanced


                  PS Please do not worry horses.


                  Well, well done.
                  You even managed to do something.
                  Google it.
                  And you pulled out a 1982 advertising picture.
                  About the alleged modularity of the Ax.
                  But still I don’t see what you’re interpreting Warhead in the center of mass and using two fuel tanks instead of one.
                  And let's continue about modularity.
                  However, even then the head blocks of a conventional nature changed.
                  And only in the factory conditions of the manufacturer.
                  But all the old Axes were decommissioned and disposed of. Under the START Agreements.
                  Now find a picture in which modern versions are used, where there is a special installation scheme for the Special Warhead ...
                  I’ll tell you - you won’t find her.
                  Since 1998, no special warheads can be installed in the Ax.
                  Due to structural changes.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 3 December 2017 23: 06
                    0
                    This is me to the fact that you can achieve balance without two fuel tanks (all of a sudden).

                    And with two even more so - for a person with two engineering entities this is trivial.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2017 19: 37
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      Another thing is that “experts” like Bongo and Andrey from Chelyabinsk, who seriously claim that in the event of a war with Russia, American AUGs will be attacked by missiles (Caliber, Zircons, X-32), are not far from journalists and Oleg Kaptsov ) with conventional warheads weighing 400-500 kg.
      No brainer, that only thermonuclear warheads with a capacity of 100 ktn and a weight of 100 kg will be used against AUG. From what it becomes clear how worthy the flight range of anti-ship missiles (2500, 1500 and 900 km, respectively), and the complete lack of anti-aircraft missile anti-aircraft defense (undermining the first missile while approaching the anti-aircraft missile defense with EMP generation) and the evaporation of a quarter of the aircraft carrier (undermining the second missile in the immediate vicinity of the side).

      The problem is that in the NBC version of the development of events, the discussion of the performance characteristics of the Kyrgyz Republic and the possibility of a breakthrough in the air defense / missile defense system becomes senseless. For victory will be forged at sea and on land by troops whose motto is "After us, nobody". smile
      Therefore, the discussion goes on within the strict framework of a non-nuclear conflict.
      1. Operator
        Operator 1 December 2017 20: 55
        +1
        Of course, I wildly apologize, but the use of US carrier-based aircraft against the Russian Federation is possible only in one version of the military conflict, and you know which one.

        An alternative is a grandfather kindergarten from Chelyabinsk.
    5. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 2 December 2017 08: 07
      +3
      Quote: Operator
      It’s another thing that journalists and Oleg Kaptsov were not far from “experts” like Bongo and Andrey from Chelyabinsk, who quite seriously assert that in case of war with Russia, American AUGs will be attacked by rockets (Caliber, Zircons, X-32 )

      Dear, super-competent and always responsible for the words of the Operator, would you be able to once again confirm your competence and responsibility by quoting a publication or comment where this is stated by the persons mentioned? As I see it, you once again attribute your fantasies to others. wassat
      1. Operator
        Operator 2 December 2017 13: 26
        0
        Photos of "Forrestola" after a non-nuclear (so to speak) strike who publishes with enviable constancy - Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin, or what? laughing
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 2 December 2017 17: 26
          +3
          Quote: Operator
          Photos of "Forrestola" after a non-nuclear (so to speak) strike who publishes with enviable constancy - Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin, or what?

          Who publishes? Bongo?
          As for you, it is impossible to disagree with this:
          Quote: ZVO
          I just know that you are always lying - here I am laughing at your opuses ...

          fool
  19. rodus
    rodus 1 December 2017 16: 59
    +2
    Is there a Zircon or not, that’s the question ?!
    Not too lazy, read all the comas. A lot of blah blah, a sparkle of knowledge of the laws of physics, aerodynamics, etc. And specifically consider the question of whether or not to be?
    Task 1 conditions:
    Speed: 8M;
    Range: 2000km;
    Weight: let it be 1000kg
    Accuracy: the grandmother said in two, maybe not, but let - / + 20m.
    Task 2 conditions:
    Temperature at a speed of 8M - a figure with 6 zeros, are there such materials that can withstand? Is it possible to form a high-temperature plasma around the body?
    Pressure - Do Materials Exist?
    Engine - are there + capable of stably driving a block in conditions of such t and p?
    Vibration?

    According to what is known from existing materials and technical, say, systems, the probability of the existence of Zircon is 25%, but based on indirect data from some modern samples of technical, say, systems already received in the RA, the probability of the existence of Zircon is 75%. Total 25 + 75/2 = 50%
    The GDP somehow blurted out something like “development is underway on different physical principles,” I agree in this, “Zircon” cannot exist on known physical principles, but on the other 50/50 .... I’m selling points to anyone! wassat
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2017 17: 53
      +2
      The Buran endings kept at a temperature of 1900 degrees when entering the atmosphere, it was the highest temperature on the glider - while the speed was 20 Mach There are materials for hypersonic missiles and aircraft: tantalum carbide melting point 3880 degrees, zirconium dioxide 2715 degrees, tungsten 3200 degrees, nickel-titanium alloys 1670 degrees - up to 10 Machs, molybdenum - 2620 degrees, niobium 2500 degrees, carbon fiber 5000 degrees.
      1. DrVintorez
        DrVintorez 1 December 2017 18: 45
        +1
        it’s somehow strange that cooling systems are forgotten.
        1. ZVO
          ZVO 1 December 2017 19: 12
          +1
          Quote: DrVintorez
          it’s somehow strange that cooling systems are forgotten.

          each CO - has its own temperature limit. And in the case of a rocket, it is extremely limited.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 1 December 2017 20: 09
          +1
          In missiles, it is not needed - it greatly complicates the design.
        3. Seryoga Gord
          Seryoga Gord 1 December 2017 22: 02
          +1
          climate control and wireless charging of the technical specifications are not provided ...))
    2. Seryoga Gord
      Seryoga Gord 1 December 2017 22: 03
      +2
      what is the probability of meeting a living dinosaur, leaving your house on the street - 50 to 50 ...))
    3. sgrabik
      sgrabik 2 December 2017 16: 08
      -1
      Only you can clap and ruffle your tongue for nothing here, wondering at the same time on the coffee grounds, no one will post such information with the details of those to you. characteristics on a saucer with a blue border to access, if you are not a fool, then you yourself must understand that there is such a thing as a state. secret not subject to public disclosure.
    4. Stiletto_711
      Stiletto_711 3 December 2017 04: 50
      0
      Quote: rodus
      50%

      What is the probability that a dinosaur will eat you on the way home from work? 50% will either eat or not eat laughing
      1. iouris
        iouris 4 December 2017 12: 14
        0
        Firstly, probability is not measured in percent, it is a number that takes values ​​in the range [0 ... 1]. Secondly, probability is an objective measure of the possibility of an event occurring in a series of experiments. Any experiment (series of experiments) with the participation of a working blonde will show that the probability of the occurrence of the event of interest to you is zero.
        But, if you are blonde, then these arguments will not apply to you, of course.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 4 December 2017 22: 45
          +2
          Quote: iouris
          Any experiment (series of experiments) with the participation of a working blonde will show that the probability of the occurrence of the event of interest to you is zero.

          Already started to be smart, so smart as it should. An arbitrarily large statistic will give an event forecast with some probability, an arbitrarily large, but never 100%. This probability can be used to quantify the event (for example, when calculating the insurance premium in case of a fatal encounter with a dinosaur), however, the event itself will never be excluded, since the causal relationship is directed only in one direction - from the event to the probability estimate, and not vice versa .
    5. rodus
      rodus 7 December 2017 14: 29
      0
      It is good to see that the response of individuals to stimuli is still a constant value. laughing
      Nice to see confirmation of indirect data hi
      And about dinosaurs, guys, have you drunk aviation kerosene belay the probability of meeting them on the Internet is 100%, and it’s obvious! Some street crying , on the street only snow on your head with a probability of 50/50 wassat
      "..that there is such a thing as state secrets not subject to public disclosure .." - otherwise I don’t know in order to circumvent this sensitive concept and the theory of probability was created, which was considered in this case yes
  20. vadim dok
    vadim dok 1 December 2017 17: 03
    +3
    This whole discussion is reminiscent of the argument of medieval scholastics: How many demons can fit on the tip of a needle!
  21. Tektor
    Tektor 1 December 2017 17: 05
    0
    Like bee, for some time now different pictures have been hanging around in the network ... Like, of that:

    I’m not hinting at anything ... But ...
    The 77N6-N and 77N6-H1 missiles are the first Russian missiles with inert warheads capable of destroying nuclear shells in a kinetic manner. No explosives are required. According to engineers, a collision at a speed of 7 km / s is guaranteed to destroy any flying object.
    Theoretically, a launch vehicle could be created on the basis of this rocket to launch light (12 - 15 kg) artificial Earth satellites directly from the ship. But at this technical level, the necessary functionality of such a system is doubtful.
    The dimensions of the rocket: length 10.7 m, diameter 1.12 m, weight 5200 kg. transport and launch container (TPK) length 11.3 m, diameter 1.24 m, weight TPK with the product no more than 6000 kg.
  22. Alexey Sobolev
    Alexey Sobolev 1 December 2017 17: 43
    +1
    Let's better evaluate the results of hitting the Zircon on the flight deck of the newest aircraft carrier of the Gerald Ford class:

    What is the photo? Just from an Internet, as I understand it, and roughly showing the possible damage to an aircraft carrier?
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 1 December 2017 19: 17
      +3
      Quote: Alexey Sobolev
      Let's better evaluate the results of hitting the Zircon on the flight deck of the newest aircraft carrier of the Gerald Ford class:

      What is the photo? Just from an Internet, as I understand it, and roughly showing the possible damage to an aircraft carrier?

      This Anniversary photo. The 50th anniversary of the event has recently been celebrated.
      Look for the fire on Forrestal July 29, 1967
  23. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 1 December 2017 18: 37
    0
    Quote: Satanator
    "Questions could begin if they had announced about 4M"

    clocked up to almost 4M, it ended sadly - the lamp broke, the pilot died

    it you do not remember the case of Lomachinsky? "boiled pilot"? This is a medical bike.
  24. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 1 December 2017 19: 19
    +1
    And where is it about "The rout of carrier groups using the X-32 and Zircon missiles"?
    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 1 December 2017 19: 57
      +3
      Well, the irony is ...
  25. asr55
    asr55 1 December 2017 20: 49
    +2
    Kaptsov this kapets, funny fellow. How to write something within 8 parsecs. Whether the plum is poured before lunch or urine hits the head. This is a real EXPERT.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 1 December 2017 21: 54
      +3
      When this expert already goes to design bureaus - to develop shock armadillos.
  26. asr55
    asr55 1 December 2017 20: 52
    +2
    Quote: DrVintorez
    And where is it about "The rout of carrier groups using the X-32 and Zircon missiles"?

    So apparently his wife didn’t give him today, so he’s dissatisfied - give him the documentation for the missiles.
  27. saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 1 December 2017 20: 56
    +2
    The article is so-so.
  28. 7gor
    7gor 1 December 2017 21: 41
    +3
    Oleg Kaptsov is a man of talent for provocative articles! Sometimes evil takes, but you still read angry
  29. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 1 December 2017 23: 23
    +2
    Oh, I haven’t written for a long time. I can see to all those who deny that you don’t see a gopher, but he is. Zircon most likely has a high-altitude, quasi-ballistic trajectory. When climbing, it accelerates to 3m, then horizontal flight with acceleration to 4-5m and when diving again 3m. 4-5m is what was originally stated, it then went speculation in the sorted mass media about 7-8-9m. Note 3m is the Onyx speed, which means that the guidance head works, which turns on during the last phase of the flight. Before that, inertial guidance works. By the way, at such speeds, the air begins to resemble water, and who prevents the use of an artificial plasma cloud (Flurry torpedo) on a horizontal flight section (an inertial system is operating at this time and it is not necessary to control a rocket).
  30. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 1 December 2017 23: 56
    0
    I wrote everything correctly.
  31. Operator
    Operator 2 December 2017 14: 22
    0
    The author confused the X-32 anti-ship cruise aerodynamic missile (flying in a straight line) with the X-15С anti-ship aeroballistic missile (flying in a parabola), located in the internal compartment of the Tu-22М3 on the MKU-6-1 rotary launcher with six units and AKl’s six units -1 in four units


    Hypersonic X-15С with a solid propellant rocket engine accelerates to speed M 5, is equipped with ARGSN, has a warhead weighing 150 kg in conventional (penetrating) or trinuclear version (power 350 ktn), starting weight 1200 kg, 300X km and KVO range , launch height from aircraft carrier (Tu-5, Tu-8М160, Su-22, Su-3 and Su-27С) from 34 to 35 meters, height of the ballistic trajectory 2 meters


    X-15С case (VT-5 titanium alloy, VG-100 steel garrott edging), excluding composite radiotransparent head fairing (thermal insulation TKCh-6, ATOM-2 fabric), and aerodynamic control planes (OT-4 titanium alloy, chrome alloy made of tungsten-molybdenum alloy BM-1) are protected by heat-shielding and radio-absorbing coating MKT. applied in liquid form and baked in a high-temperature oven.

    The dual-mode RDTT-160 has a two-chamber design, connecting two stages in the same casing - the launch and the march, separated by a partition and connected in series by their ignition systems. The engine uses mixed fuel, combining high-calorific fuel and an oxidizing agent. Fuel is cast directly into the engine casing with a profiled inner channel of a star-shaped cross section, which increases the gas generation area and, accordingly, the working pressure in the combustion chamber and thrust. For long-term storage, the internal cavity of the engine charge is sealed with a special shell inflated with an inert gas.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 2 December 2017 17: 28
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      Hypersonic X-15C with a solid-propellant rocket engine accelerates to speed X 5, it is equipped with ARGSN, it has 150 kg warhead in conventional (penetrating) or three-nuclear design (power 350 ktn), starting weight 1200 kg, range 300 and ... launch altitude from aircraft carrier (Tu-5, Tu-8М160, Su-22, Su-3 and Su-27С

      Doesn't it make it difficult for you to submit a photo of X-15 suspended on Su-27, Su-34 and Su-35С? fool
      1. Operator
        Operator 2 December 2017 20: 05
        +1
        Teach materiel - Su-27K and Su-27IB.

        I have repeatedly shown a photo of "Mosquito" weighing 4,5 tons and "Caliber" weighing 2 tons suspended under Su-27 / 30 / 34 / 35, and then received "smart" comments, that this is a layout, photomontage, etc. etc.

        Therefore, about X-15 photo 1,2 weighing tons - themselves, only themselves.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 3 December 2017 03: 20
          +6
          Quote: Operator
          Teach materiel - Su-27K and Su-27IB.

          Where, in which iap? As for the materiel, it’s funny when such an illiterate amateur dreamer writes. In your personal collections of such photos are available?




          In general, you would not hurt to serve in the armed forces, learn to answer for their words.
          Quote: Operator
          I have repeatedly shown a photo of "Mosquito" weighing 4,5 tons and "Caliber" weighing 2 tons suspended under Su-27 / 30 / 34 / 35, and then received "smart" comments, that this is a layout, photomontage, etc. etc.

          It is not possible to demonstrate what is not in nature. No. Do you even know what problems there were with fine-tuning of medium-range and long-range missiles on the Su-35С, and what actions need to be taken in order for this machine to operate the NAR on the ground? What calibras are you talking about? fool
          Quote: Operator
          Therefore, about X-15 photo 1,2 weighing tons - themselves, only themselves.

          For some reason, I'm not surprised. Tomorrow I will talk about what you wrote to the guys from the Weapons Laboratory KnAAPO, porzhut. lol In general, you are not tired of shame?
          1. Operator
            Operator 3 December 2017 14: 04
            0
            As for the materiel, I quote.

            Boil the soup, you do it better.
            1. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 3 December 2017 15: 57
              +5
              Quote: Operator
              As for the materiel, I quote.

              Who is quoting again yourself? request
              Quote: Operator
              Boil the soup, you do it better.

              I have a lot of talents, borsch, I also cook not bad. But I also know that the Su-27K and Su-27IB cars were not put into service. There are deck Su-33, which were built and overhauled at KnAAPO, and I am well acquainted with this machine. Anti-ship missiles never not part of the armament of the serial Su-33.
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 3 December 2017 16: 17
                +4
                Quote: zyablik.olga
                Who is quoting again yourself?

                Olya, do not offend the child, he may be upset and leave us again for a long time. The operator, by and large, is harmless, let him fantasize - the people make fun. Who is this bad?
                1. Rushnairfors
                  Rushnairfors 10 December 2017 17: 09
                  +2
                  Olenka, smartie, I read and admire you.
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 10 December 2017 17: 23
                    +2
                    Quote: Rushnairfors
                    Olenka, smartie, I read and admire you.

                    That's for sure. There are not many such girls in nature! Another question is who raised ... wink
  32. sgrabik
    sgrabik 2 December 2017 15: 55
    -1
    Zircon is a highly classified project, it is not surprising that there is no information on it and it is quite normal, it should be so, information leakage is sometimes equivalent to the failure of the whole project and it is very strange that the author does not understand this.
  33. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 3 December 2017 00: 03
    +2
    I think that even about 7-10 years they will try about how our zircons plow open spaces of the universe from the star circus, exploring millions at the same time, and then announce that the program was closed due to underfunding or some other garbage. drinks
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 3 December 2017 01: 09
      +3
      We have such a "cart" in Roscosmos rolls well - from year to year.
  34. Wildfox
    Wildfox 3 December 2017 13: 13
    +2
    It's just kapets how many comments and only a dozen in the case.
    I’ll add from myself. Author !!! Respect the reader !!! The lifting force is not proportional to the speed from the word "completely", it is proportional to the SQUARE of speed. Y = Cy * p * S * V ^ 2/2. If you already undertook to talk about the "laws of physics" at least read about them.
    The second, experimental apparatus that you described was supposed to accelerate to hypersound and give an assessment of the bearing capacity of that flat part of the hull from below, which, in theory, should work as a wing. Sensors, recorders, and other scientific garbage in it are just unmeasured (400 kg warhead nervously smokes ...). I can say that I compared the male genital organ with a finger.
    The third about the X-22 and X-32 missiles is a simple example: the second world fighter with a wing load of not more than 60 kg / m2 and in the 60s already 300 kg / m2, in the end we see that, by your logic, F-15, F - 22, F-35 does not exist; these are all lies and fiction of the media.
    My humble opinion that the Zircon is real is not so easy to fly at 8 max (Shuttles flew regularly and our reusable Buran flew once and at 15 max and didn’t fall apart), they were able to create ramjets.
    But this is only half the battle, you need to find the target and get into it, and this is the filling of the rocket and there is nothing about it at all.
    I know I have an unhealthy curiosity, but I think on this site I'm not the only one. hi
    1. Santa Fe
      4 December 2017 09: 43
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      Quote: WildFox
      The third about the X-22 and X-32 missiles is a simple example: the second world fighter with a wing load of no more than 60 kg / m2

      An example of such a fighter?
      1. Anyone
        Anyone 8 December 2017 00: 16
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        60 kg / m2 - this is something from the 1st World)) Here at the FW-190 wing load was something under 250 kg / m2. Our fighters of that period have less. But, of course, not 60 kg / m2))
  35. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 4 December 2017 09: 42
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    Again the statements of the amateur, far from both rocket science and technology.
  36. yoyo1984
    yoyo1984 4 December 2017 17: 18
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    I didn’t even read this vyser when I saw authorship, but I will unsubscribe, I think, as usual, unfounded statements, loud names and facts are zero, and most importantly, the cherry on the cake, so to speak, is all groaning and nagging! guessed ?! =)
  37. Anyone
    Anyone 8 December 2017 00: 04
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    The ramjet engine is inoperative on the fly, therefore ...

    The author of the article is very wrong in the theory. There is a difference between the concepts of "inoperability" and "inefficiency"))
  38. Nikolay87
    Nikolay87 26 March 2018 15: 56
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    All analytics is based on the fact that to all the videos on the Internet that mention the zircon rocket, the American prototype rocket is depicted? Isn't that stupid ?!
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