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Self-loading carbine for pistol cartridge АСК-17-9

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As part of the international conference held in Moscow in mid-October armory Arms & Hunting 2017 exhibition, the Russian company Novo-Obninsk-Import, in collaboration with the company Automated Systems of Kaluga (ASIKA), presented a number of new products. At the stands of the companies, one could observe a compact folding self-loading carbine under a 9x19 mm pistol cartridge (Luger) under the working name ASK-17-9. This model is the Russian interpretation of the Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 American carbine. The new carbine was not announced before the exhibition, but managed to interest visitors, the audience showed genuine interest in the new product.


Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 was developed in the USA in 2000 and is manufactured by CNC Industries. This model was rejected by the American military because of its very original appearance and design. After that, the Americans began to position their compact folding carbine under a pistol cartridge as a companion weapon for those people who travel a lot and fear for their lives, but do not want to burden themselves with heavier small arms - hunting carbines and rifles.

Kelt-Tec SUB-2000


Kelt-Tec SUB-2000

Apparently, the creators of ACK-17-9 are aimed at the same niche. The main purpose of such a carbine is self-defense of tourists and hunters from various threats from both wild animals and uninvited guests (bandits). True, professional hunters doubt the effectiveness of such weapons and a pistol bullet when they unexpectedly meet, for example, a bear. Also the carbine can be used as a weapon for plinking - an entertaining type of shooting at various non-standard targets (beer cans, bottles). However, plinking is characteristic primarily for countries with liberal weapons legislation, to which Russia does not belong, for the same purposes in Russia they often use conventional pneumatics. Do not forget that the ASC-17-9 is a rifled firearm, and the circle of persons licensed for long-barreled weapons with a rifled barrel is extremely limited. According to the participants of the exhibition Arms & Hunting 2017, the cost of the self-loading compact folding carbine АСК-17-9 was marked at about 50 thousand rubles, which is cheaper than the American Kelt-Tec SUB-2000, which was offered at a price of 60 thousand rubles.

The American self-loading karabiner Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 was created in 2000 by George Kellgren, an American of Swiss origin who is the president and chief designer of Kel-tec CNC Industries. The development was based on the early development of the same company - Kel-tec SUB9 carbine, created in 1997 year, but turned out to be quite expensive to manufacture. With the Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 carbine, the company hoped to occupy the “expeditionary” weapon niche. Companion weapons for those people who are forced to travel quite a lot by car or on foot, in the first place - this is a weapon of self-defense, as well as a weapon for entertaining shooting and training. As an option, hunting for medium-sized animals at close distances was also allowed.

Self-loading carbine for pistol cartridge АСК-17-9
ASK-17-9, photo: nobninsk.ru

The Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 carabiner under the pistol cartridge turned out to be very compact, the barrel length was only 41 centimeter (fitted to the peculiarities of the American legislation), in the unfolded state the length of the carbine did not exceed 75 centimeters. At the same time, the mass of weapons did not exceed 1,8 kg. The Russian version of the ACK-17-9 with large dimensions (the length of the barrel and weapons) has a smaller mass. Due to the use of moderate-capacity pistol cartridge 9x19 mm and Kelt-Tec SUB-2000, and its Russian analogue ASK-17-9 have a simple design, low weight and recoil. This, combined with compactness and decent store capacity, makes them good civilian weapons.

The Kel-tec SUB2000 self-loading compact carbine used automatics with a free shutter, shooting from a weapon is conducted from a closed bolt. The recoil spring and the bolt are in an aluminum tube that serves as the base of the butt. The bolt handle is located at the bottom of the stock tube, behind the pistol grip. The carbine was used trigger mechanism trigger type, single action. At the same time, the platoon effort was made minimal, which provides the model with a very high rate of fire for non-automatic weapons - up to 150 rounds per minute (the same is stated for ASK-17-9). Manual fuse has the form of a transverse button, it was located above the pistol grip. The power supply of the weapon is carried out from detachable box magazines inserted into the handle of the weapon. The receiver and pistol grip were made of impact-resistant plastic.

ASK-17-9, photo: nobninsk.ru

The main feature of the model was that it is easily folded. Kel-tec SUB2000 was very easy to fold and fold again. In order to lay down their weapons in the stowed position, the carbine “broke through” in the area of ​​the official section of the trunk around the axis, which is located at the base of the rear sight. The barrel latch served as a mobile trigger guard. Moreover, if you suddenly fold the carbine, when there is a cartridge in its chamber, since the barrel will be in one part and the bolt in the other, the cartridge will simply fall out of the weapon.

It should be noted that Novo-Obninsk-import announced the compact folding self-loading Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 carbine in 9х19 mm caliber as part of the Arms & Hunting 2013 exhibition, four years passed, and the company presented its Russian version at the exhibition in Moscow. The weight of the prototype ASK-17-9 Russian karabiner is only 1,2 kg, while the length of the weapon when unfolded is 850 mm, the assembled karabiner is almost half shorter, the barrel length is 510 mm.

ASK-17-9, photo: nobninsk.ru

The work of the ASK-17-9 carbine is also based on the free course of the shutter, the return spring and the shutter handle are in the butt of a tubular type, which is made of aluminum alloy. The capacity of the magazine located in the pistol grip of the carabiner is 10 cartridges (standard box magazines from the popular Glock-17 pistol are used), the cartridges are 9x19 mm Luger (also the name Parabellum is common). The main difference between the Russian system, which is made in Kaluga, is the receiver and pistol grip, which are made of aluminum alloy, and not of impact-resistant plastic, like the American design.

The rate of fire of the presented compact carbine is the same 150 shots per minute, the declared target range is up to 150 meters. For aiming the carbine is equipped with an adjustable diopter front sight. Like the Kelt-Tec SUB-2000, the Russian model easily folds. It has a transverse axis above the breech breech, which allows the trunk to be folded up and back 180 degrees in the stowed position, placing it on top of the receiver and the tubular butt. The folding barrel lock is controlled by a movable trigger guard.

Information sources:
http://www.nobninsk.ru/news/nashi-novosti/arms-hunting-2017-fototch-t.html
https://www.all4shooters.com/ru/strelba/ruzhya/Avtomatizirovannyye-sistemy-Kalugi-ASK-17-9/
http://charlifox.ru/2017/11/13/ultrakompaktnyy-karabin-ask-17-9
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  1. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 1 December 2017 07: 33 New
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    What's in it for 50 thousand? Barrel and shutter. The rest is no more expensive than pneumatics, handles and triggers.
    In general, it looks like a serious study of PPSh. This should have happened, but the price spoils the whole picture.
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 22 May 2018 11: 53 New
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      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      What is in it on 50 thousand?

      Ponte, with which their owner will die when meeting a boar or a bear request
  2. User_internet
    User_internet 1 December 2017 08: 13 New
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    According to the participants of the Arms & Hunting 2017 exhibition, the cost of the ASK-17-9 self-loading compact folding carbine was designated at about 50 thousand rubles, which is cheaper than the American Kelt-Tec SUB-2000, which was offered at a price of 60 thousand rubles.

    and this is with the average wage of our worker about 20-30 thousand, and in the United States a worker gets our money for so much under 200. This nonsense, the red price is not more than 5-7 thousand rubles, and you also need to find a buyer.
    1. Tatarin83
      Tatarin83 1 December 2017 22: 51 New
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      1. The target audience of this trunk is not workers.
      2. When was the last time you were in America and talked there with workers about salaries?
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 5 May 2018 03: 54 New
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        1 - and who ?! I can afford to buy weapons for that kind of money. But not this one!
        2 - minimum salary - $ 7.5 per hour. somehow it turns out.
  3. polpot
    polpot 1 December 2017 08: 17 New
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    I don’t think that such a system will find many buyers, when traveling through the Siberian taiga, such a product is not the best assistant, maybe in Chicago it’s possible to shoot from blacks and is suitable but not for Russia
    1. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 26 January 2018 14: 35 New
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      Quote: polpot
      when traveling through the Siberian taiga, such a product is not the best helper, it may be to shoot from Negroes in Chicago and is suitable but not for Russia
      This system is not made for tourists, but for those who use motorbikes or public transport to get to shootings. Folded up. threw it in a backpack and no one sees it. He does not even have a belt fastener in design.
      In the USA there are pistol cartridge rifles for tourists, but they are different as an example of the Marlin Camp Carbine .45 ACP
      in the version for nine compared to the Kel-Tec Sub 2000:

      https://youtu.be/eAHbidXJqXA
      By the way, there is a version of Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 under .40.
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor 1 December 2017 08: 45 New
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    At the beginning of the 20th century, Parabellum-08 and Mauser K-96 variants with trunks of 300-400mm were produced specifically for civilian use.The Tokarev pistol of 1929, from which the famous TT-33 later grew, was also not small with a barrel of at least 300mm. even equipped with a stock, a magazine for 22 rounds, the butt was also attached. So everything new is well forgotten old!
    1. avt
      avt 1 December 2017 10: 31 New
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      Quote: andrewkor
      So everything new is well forgotten old!

      request All this rubbish, we had a PP-90, an order of magnitude better than this freak.
  5. bistrov.
    bistrov. 1 December 2017 09: 57 New
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    Well, in FIG, who needs it? Especially under the pistol cartridge, and even for that kind of money? Take permission for a rifled firearm, but only one visit to the precinct for torture.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 1 December 2017 10: 20 New
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      And, in addition, stupidly copied ....
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 15 August 2018 11: 21 New
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      No need to dream. So the policeman is so full of work to come to you with monthly checks.
  6. tchoni
    tchoni 1 December 2017 11: 16 New
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    Maybe the police and security will find application. or scarecrows to protect the house (though our legislators still cannot say how to protect it and in Turma still cannot be) As a hunter, it is none.
    1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
      Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 1 December 2017 17: 30 New
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      For the police or security, this hobby is not needed, they have a more serious and reliable weapon, including a pistol cartridge. To protect the house, a hunting smoothbore is better. I’m silent about hunting. And for tourists, something combined with a smooth and rifled barrel is better (with the same troubles when obtaining a purchase permit).
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 2 December 2017 13: 40 New
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        Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        For the police or security, this hobby is not needed, they have a more serious and reliable weapon, including a pistol cartridge.

        Well, I would not say that. From a regular under a pistol cartridge at an ordinary policeman only pm. (let’s leave all sorts of riot police and sables) And so, it’s like a weapon that allows you to conduct close fire at a range of up to 100 meters, and it won’t cause unnecessary excesses (when shooting in a city building, let’s say so)
        Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        For the police or security, this hobby is not needed, they have a more serious and reliable weapon, including a pistol cartridge.

        Here I almost agree, but the smoothbore in the mass is a dubiously bulky weapon, and quite powerful. There is a chance that when shooting in a house, you will break through a wall (in a panel-slit house, for example) and injure a neighbor ....
        Quote: Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
        And for tourists, something combined with a smooth and rifled barrel is better (with the same troubles when obtaining a purchase permit).

        But for a tourist - a smooth-bore 16 gauge - an eye. Even a single-barrel will go)))
        1. Viktor.N.Aleksandrov.
          Viktor.N.Aleksandrov. 2 December 2017 19: 41 New
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          Private security even had the PP-2000, a very compact model for a pistol cartridge. They also talked about Cedars, but I didn’t see it myself, I won’t lie. About the smoothbore in the house. The Saig and Boar models are quite compact (the Saiga-12K itself). Since self-defense in the house will obviously be used not by a bullet, but by a shot or a shotgun that I love, everything will remain in the attacker. But, of course, a short barrel is more convenient for a house, I just do not want to touch on this topic. As for the tourists. I agree that a single-barrel is enough for a tourist. Simply combined, such as the former "Squirrel", more compact and more versatile. And due to the shorter barrels, it practically does not differ in weight from the single-barrel. In any case, both are better than the discussed weapon.
          1. cast iron
            cast iron 15 August 2018 11: 26 New
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            Judging by your logic, a small infantry shovel is quite enough for a tourist :) Let the buyer decide what is better for him? In the United States, such a stick-shooter costs about $ 400. Local ghoul hucksters sell for $ 1000. At this price, even if this weapon is needed, no one will buy it. $ 1000 for this simple "Wall" water pipe is a mockery of logic.
  7. Tatarin83
    Tatarin83 1 December 2017 22: 49 New
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    An excellent trunk will be if they normally do it and don’t mess it up.
    Among the arms fans will fly like pies. For post-shoots and training, that’s it. The cartridge is cheap, which is important.
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 5 May 2018 04: 09 New
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      Quote: Tatarin83
      Among the arms fans will fly like pies.
      Will not fly apart - this requires more liberal legislation. A lot more. And the salaries are higher.
      Now, for post-shooting, the MP-161K carbine is better than 5,6 mm (22LR).

      25000r is the normal price. If you equate the caliber to a smooth-bore - it will be fine in general.
    2. cast iron
      cast iron 15 August 2018 11: 27 New
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      At a price of $ 1000, this water pipe will not fly anywhere. Her red price is 15000 rubles.
  8. User_internet
    User_internet 2 December 2017 08: 33 New
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    Quote: Tatarin83
    An excellent trunk will be if they normally do it and don’t mess it up.
    Among the arms fans will fly like pies. For post-shoots and training, that’s it. The cartridge is cheap, which is important.

    Among the fans, normal weapons fly around and I don’t know what to call it culturally; in addition, for 50t you can buy a very good carbine with which you can hunt and shoot. The fact that the cartridge is cheap agrees, but there is cheaper. Cartridges from small things cost 5-7r, a rifle from 25-40t + -, and this will be a rifle that will be nice to hold in your hands.
    1. Tatarin83
      Tatarin83 2 December 2017 15: 55 New
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      Well, look at the reviews of the Americans. Iam did not even lay this carbine in the shops; everything was diverging by pre-order. And all the same, drooling on this Keltek.

      This carbine is not once the first weapon in the house, but rather an additional one. And all its charm in copact. For example, I have a saiga 5.45 for sports and a three-ruler for the soul, and I would take this with pleasure for the sake of compactness and the ability to take with me without a crap with a case. Plus, you can wind up the can and shoot at least in the country, observing tb.

      The little thing is now at a price with a nine almost equal. But unfortunately there are no compact trunks there.
  9. groks
    groks 2 December 2017 13: 15 New
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    How can a survival weapon? The rest is without prospects. If it were automatic and the bear wouldn’t say hello.
    The only reasonable assumption is to equip wealthy Pinocchio with a sufficiently long-range weapon. Legally. They have incontinence ....
    1. Bugivugi
      Bugivugi 2 December 2017 14: 12 New
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      they only annoy the bear
      1. groks
        groks 2 December 2017 16: 59 New
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        Why? The speed of the bullet is high, and therefore penetrating high. It is only necessary to provide more of these bullets per unit of time.
  10. Bugivugi
    Bugivugi 2 December 2017 14: 11 New
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    some masturbation, also for that kind of money ... what to do with this cartridge when meeting a bear or a wild boar? just shoot yourself in the head?
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 15 August 2018 11: 30 New
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      To start, read books or something. The bullet of the PM cartridge (9X18mm) pierces the car engine through and through. THROUGH. A bear can kill you even if you are armed with a machine gun. But if you don’t get from a machine gun into a bear ...
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 15 August 2018 11: 47 New
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        Quote: cast iron
        The bullet of the PM cartridge (9X18mm) pierces the car engine through and through. THROUGH

        In what, excuse me, place?
        1. cast iron
          cast iron 15 August 2018 22: 21 New
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          A large number of modern engines are aluminum. More precisely, their cylinder block is aluminum. So, the pistol’s barrel without problems, this very cylinder block will sew through. Aluminum alloy is stronger than bone and harder.
  11. Meshchersky
    Meshchersky 2 December 2017 14: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    What's in it for 50 thousand? Barrel and shutter. The rest is no more expensive than pneumatics, handles and triggers.
    In general, it looks like a serious study of PPSh. This should have happened, but the price spoils the whole picture.

    From PPSh there is absolutely nothing in it except a free shutter. Before scribbling komenty learn to understand weapons. Otherwise, it turns out uncomfortable.
  12. Meshchersky
    Meshchersky 2 December 2017 14: 35 New
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    Quote: Tatarin83
    1. The target audience of this trunk is not workers.
    2. When was the last time you were in America and talked there with workers about salaries?

    I agree with you on the first point, and on the second - here you can earn $ 4-5 thousand by hand. But ooooooochen difficult. :)
    1. Tatarin83
      Tatarin83 3 December 2017 12: 37 New
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      Yes, and there worker 5 does not receive bunches. The average salary is 3-4 before taxes. And taxes there are 35%. Plus housing and communal services are much more expensive
  13. garri-lin
    garri-lin 2 December 2017 22: 54 New
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    In the trunk, for disassembly in traffic jams and in parking lots, instead of a bit will go. Or under the bed in case of an accidental zombie apocalypse, so that there is something to break through to the city arsenal.
    A'bid that picatinas on our version is not. There are a lot of Americans, but not ours. Again, the whole upgrade through the blue ribbon.
  14. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 3 December 2017 01: 16 New
    +2
    The ideal weapon for police patrols and the Russian Guard.
    And to remove their machines (except for special forces). On the streets they do not belong.
    1. Michael_Zverev
      Michael_Zverev 7 December 2017 15: 59 New
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      Well, not really so completely perfect, maybe, but more suitable than AK, yes.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 23 February 2018 10: 59 New
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      Quote: M. Michelson
      And to remove their machines (except for special forces). On the streets they do not belong.

      but they are not there, unless of course "Ksenia" is not considered a machine gun ...
  15. gladcu2
    gladcu2 7 December 2017 15: 22 New
    +1
    9-19, Luger, Parabellum, this is the same cartridge. Luger is the accepted name in North America. Historically. Parabellum is in Europe.
    There are different manufacturers. The cartridge may differ in the weight of the powder.
    Everyone chooses for themselves what is convenient.
  16. 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok 26 January 2018 14: 15 New
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    1. The author about what development ASK-17-9 can be discussed if it is just an unlicensed copy (simply stolen from amers) in which plastic parts are replaced with duralumin?
    2. The author for some reason forgets to say that in Russia Kelt-Tec SUB-2000 is sold with an elongated barrel. Or, as always, the author did not know this?
    In general, another laudatory article about what the author does not know or does not want to know, and even with hiding information.
    1. cast iron
      cast iron 15 August 2018 11: 33 New
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      And the American KEL TEK in this case stole from Glock or what? )))) Ah ah ah! Russian gunsmiths stole the stolen !!! Well then! A lover of American geniuses or what?
  17. acetophenon
    acetophenon 6 March 2018 20: 44 New
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    Quote: Tatarin83
    1. The target audience of this trunk is not workers.
    ...?

    Ah, sorry, who? Forgot to come up with whom to sell?
  18. serge siberian
    serge siberian 8 July 2018 18: 44 New
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    In this case, the taste and color. For me, this garbage is not worth the money. hi