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T-84 BM "Oplot" - tank "Frankenstein" Square

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Today, when the economy of Ukraine and its entire military-industrial complex is in a state that, in medical terms, can be called thermal, its representatives continue to assert that their country is one of the leading tank-building powers in the world.

As evidence of this, “the pride of Ukrainian tank building, the“ best tank in the world ”of the T-84 BM Oplot is given. Despite the fact that this “miracleweapon"Adopted by the armed forces of Ukraine in the 2009 year, at the disposal of" fucking fathers "these machines are not thick.

Offended Thai

Most of the products of the Ukrainian military industrial complex were traditionally exported, and even with the start of the war in the Donbas, the situation did not change much. That’s the majority of the “Plots” produced by the Ukrainian industry were exported, despite the loud scandals accompanying the delivery of these cars abroad.

Significant incident occurred with export of “the best in the world” tank»Thailand a year and a half ago. The next batch of ten new Ukrainian Oplot-T tanks arrived at the Sattahip Thai naval base on May 21, 2016, and media outlets reported dissatisfaction with Thai partners in Ukraine.

The point is not only that the contract was actually failed, since 49 tanks should have been transferred to the buyer three years ago (at that time only 20 vehicles were delivered). Ukrainians also frustrated the delivery of ammunition to the tanks, and the “Pillars” themselves cause a lot of complaints about the quality of manufacturing.

Tank cannibalism

Actually, it is difficult to expect another - after all, Oplot-T, in the form in which the Thais receive it, is not a new car, but the result of “technical cannibalism” for which the old Soviet T-80 acted as a donor.

That is, from several old tanks collect one "new". It is a profound modernization, according to the Ukrainians, in which they take, say, a body from an old car, and fill it with new aggregates and equipment, it does not go.

However, it is not even “cannibalism”, but rather “blasphemy”, since “the newest tanks,” as they are called by the Ukrainian media, are created from the remains of 4-5 storage technology. That is, from the fact that it is located in the open air at the “tank cemetery”, it was overgrown with grass and simply was not sent to be melted in time.

According to Ukrainian media, there are several hundred engines in the warehouses for the T-80-GTD-1000T, of varying degrees of preservation, from which it is possible to assemble the remaining 29 units before the contract. It is difficult to say how long these “Frankensteens” will work after such a “capital”.

To this we add that the guns of the "Plots" were also removed from the "corpses" - Ukraine has not managed to master their production.

Ineptly lost Soviet inheritance

Recall that Ukraine inherited from the USSR one of the most powerful military-industrial complexes, second only to the Russian. At the beginning of 90-s, 3594 defense and dual-use enterprises with approximately 3 million people worked in the Ukrainian SSR. In the purely military production, about 700 enterprises were involved - with a total employment of 1,45 million people. But already in 2013 in the country there remained about 140 order of various basic enterprises of the military-industrial complex. Today, the technological degradation of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex is so deep that Ukraine could not even develop the production of 5TDF engines for its main T-64 tanks, which it itself had previously produced.

The stocks of liquid old in the warehouses of Ukraine are coming to an end, especially since exporters have a serious competitor - the war in the Donbas, with a considerable appetite absorbing military equipment.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 25 November 2017 07: 53
    12
    Well, at least something new or fresh, tell or show about the Ukrainian military-industrial complex !!!!!!!!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 25 November 2017 09: 39
      +7
      Quote: andrewkor
      Well, at least something new or fresh, tell or show about the Ukrainian military-industrial complex !!!!!!!!

      They know how to make high-precision ammunition from microcomputers created for the scientific and technical creativity of young people.
      1. Dead duck
        Dead duck 26 November 2017 14: 08
        +7
        just like a formidable warrior with a tranculator
      2. alexxxz
        alexxxz 14 March 2018 16: 38
        0
        In such a tube, I wore engineering drawings in my student years. So there is an opinion that the presented sample is a theater props.
    2. opus
      opus 25 November 2017 12: 50
      11
      Quote: andrewkor
      Well, at least something new or fresh, tell or show about the Ukrainian military-industrial complex !!!!!!!!

      well here
      Quote: Posted by Boris Dzhereliyevsky
      Today, when the economy of Ukraine and its entire military-industrial complex is in a state that, medically speakingcan be called thermal,

      "thermal" wassat
      I translate into Russian: state of the economy (UVPK)- warm
      I don’t know which medical university I graduated from. .....

      but in tanks he doesn't cut the same
      Quote: Posted by Boris Dzhereliyevsky
      That is, from several old tanks collect one "new".
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. alexxxz
        alexxxz 14 March 2018 16: 40
        0
        “I translate into Russian: the state of the economy (UVPK) is warm” - why is it so biting? The man tried, in a hurry, he wanted to please everyone. Or maybe tormented by colic of laughter, describing the situation. So I wondered, I wanted to be “terminal”, it turned out to be “thermal”. Excuse me, author!
  2. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 25 November 2017 08: 03
    22
    ... in medical terms, it can be called thermal ...

    Aftor made me morning.
    “Thermal” is not a medical language, but rather a geological language.
    Medical is "terminal."
    But to the author in parallel, they are journalism ...
    The article is again about nothing. What Ukraine does not know how to do (guns, GTD-1000T, ...) is known. The source of the "new" equipment in the APU is also known.
    Booooooooo ... request
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 26 November 2017 13: 10
      0
      The author had in mind that the Ukrainian economy lies on its back and sends up geysers with yellow liquid.
  3. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 25 November 2017 08: 32
    +1
    Well this is not news, the fact that Ukrainians do not know how to make weapons has long been known!
  4. activator
    activator 25 November 2017 08: 36
    13
    Koshmar ... what is the relation GTD 1000t to BM stronghold? request But how many horrors ... cannibalism, corpse-eating ... brrr ... horror.
  5. inkass_98
    inkass_98 25 November 2017 09: 08
    10
    Obviously, there are no other topics. It is necessary to go through the tenth circle through the skakuas and their armored vehicles.
    By the way, on Oplot the engine is not a gas turbine, but a diesel engine, and by no means 5TDF, but 6TD-2Е.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 25 November 2017 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      By the way, on Oplot the engine is not a gas turbine, but a diesel engine, and by no means 5TDF, but 6TD-2Е.

      Radish horseradish is not sweeter. What is 5TDF, what is 6TD. There are no fundamental changes, just added one cylinder
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 November 2017 19: 14
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        Radish horseradish is not sweeter. What is 5TDF, what is 6TD. There are no fundamental changes, just added one cylinder

        Well, yes ... well, that there the supercharger was removed, actually deforming the engine, so this is of course nothing ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 26 November 2017 00: 42
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Well, yes ... well, that there the supercharger was removed, actually deforming the engine, so this is of course nothing ...

          A 2-stroke engine cannot work without forced boost, meaning the drive supercharger remains, and the de-energized motor has greater reliability and a longer service life. Thus, they tried to reduce air consumption per cylinder and increase engine reliability. And yet, having removed the turbocharger and having increased the capacity of the drive supercharger. "In the course of the development work on 6TD-1, it was envisaged to increase the power taken from each cylinder to 250 hp, and the liter power to 95 hp / l." You do not think that these parameters are very high even for a gasoline engine, I'm not talking about diesel.
          http://alexfiles99.narod.ru/engine/6td/6td-1.htm
          1. svp67
            svp67 26 November 2017 08: 06
            0
            Quote: Amurets
            Thus, they tried to reduce air consumption per cylinder and increase engine reliability

            Thus, it was simply driven into the dimensions of 5-TDF,
            Quote: Amurets
            The 2-stroke engine cannot work without forced boost, so the drive supercharger remains

            Yeah, but the 5-TDV had both a supercharger and a turbine. Here is the last and left.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 26 November 2017 10: 38
              0
              Quote: svp67
              Here is the last and left.

              They simply combined. This scheme is used by turbodiesels, when at low and starting speeds the turbocharger is driven from the engine crankshaft, and at medium and large from the exhaust gases of the engine. http://rem-battalion.ru/dvigatel-6td-tehnicheskoe
              -opisanie /
  6. antivirus
    antivirus 25 November 2017 09: 41
    0
    Kohly - instructive owners
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 25 November 2017 10: 09
    +1
    Quote: andrewkor
    Well, at least something new or fresh, tell or show about the Ukrainian military-industrial complex !!!!!!!!

    Yes, where did they get new? If that appeared, so Chingachguk-Mikhan straight from the sofa with a saber from shoulder to saddle ... This is not for you! He alone is worth all the Armed Forces and the military battles!
  8. Kars
    Kars 25 November 2017 11: 08
    +5
    You can link to the claim on quality from the Thai military? Not by time, but by quality.
    1. venik
      venik 25 November 2017 13: 02
      +2
      Quote: Kars
      You can link to the claim on quality from the Thai military? Not by time, but by quality.

      ==========
      Well, given the "highest quality" BM "Shame", BTR-3 and BTR-4 - of particular surprise - this - DOES NOT CALL!!!
      Suffice it to recall: Syria 1999 - 50 BTR-3 lot was rejected and returned (contract for further deliveries RIPPED - forfeit payment (by Ukroboronprom);
      Iraq - 2014 - a batch of 46 BTR-4 Bucephalus was rejected and returned (contract was broken - cars with the pump were transferred to the National Guard) ... Forfeit - Ukroboronprom. Iraq - bought Russian BTR- instead of Butsefalov 82!
      Still to list? Of 120 BTR-3 and 4 in the ATO zone - approx. 92 vehicles - "non-combat losses" - most of them - are thrown on the sidelines.
      1. Kars
        Kars 26 November 2017 01: 28
        +4
        Comb, just highlight in bold where it will be about the Thai stronghold where the first five have been chasing for two years now.
        Already there is a photo as all the parts of the tank are made, and the old t-84 were found from which before .. specialists .. sawed off strongholds. And at least 4 times the Thais broke the contract.
        I can’t say that the stronghold has no shortcomings, they are everywhere, but in fact these tanks are assembled as feraries of individual manual assembly (which, in principle, is bad of course, but there is something)
        So it will be interesting when comparisons are made with Chinese tanks that have already arrived.
        1. alexxxz
          alexxxz 14 March 2018 16: 47
          0
          "in fact, these tanks are assembled as ferarii of individual manual assembly (which, in principle, is bad of course, but that is what it is)" - they made fun! Those. if you take ten old Fiat-124s and assemble something from them at the Ferrari factory, do you get a unique Ferrari handmade?
          Throughout the world and at all times, this approach was called / called / will be called - SHEEPER.
    2. opus
      opus 25 November 2017 14: 35
      +7
      Quote: Kars
      You can link to priteny on quality from the Thai military?

      no such

      Cnng theo

      the remaining 13 tanks are currently being assembled and, as expected, a delegation from Thailand will arrive in Ukraine at the end of January 2018 to check technical quality.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 November 2017 19: 20
        +1
        Quote: opus
        no such

        Already two times no. What is not, there is no such technique to which there would be no claim.
        The main ones are poor ergonomics and tightness inside the tank. The long time and complexity of dismantling and installing the engine.
        1. opus
          opus 26 November 2017 18: 09
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          What is not, so there is no such technique for which there would be no claim.

          What is it about?
          о
          Quote: svp67
          such a technique for which there would be no claim.

          ?
          or
          Quote: venik
          You can link to priteny on quality from the Thai military?

          Response
          Quote: opus
          no such

          Questions?
    3. user1212
      user1212 25 November 2017 17: 55
      +1
      http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/139598/
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 25 November 2017 23: 38
        +5
        I read the article you indicated. So what? In the Russian online edition. It would be difficult to imagine that our journalists would praise the Ukrainian VPK. And actually, what is in the article? Bad painting? Or cannibalism of Soviet technology implies that it was less durable than the current one?
        Thais somehow "late" noticed the tank’s tightness, do not you think? Moreover, I am far from the idea that the Oplot is closer to the T-64 or T-72 on which I served - the base is the same, Soviet.
        Well, the article was written by the sofa ANANTIK. Which I want to ask, as in the film "Aty baht ..."
        - Gopher, have you ever seen a tank live? Well, that’s so ... About ten meters ... "
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 November 2017 08: 07
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          Thais somehow "late" noticed the tank’s tightness, do not you think? Moreover, I am far from the idea that the Oplot is closer to the T-64 or T-72 on which I served - the base is the same, Soviet.

          But they then compare with Leo-2 ...
          1. activator
            activator 26 November 2017 08: 59
            +3
            Quote: svp67
            But they then compare with Leo-2 ...

            Just arguing that in the stronghold the supporters of the 72-90 are cramped and uncomfortable, they might look funny in 90 places. If Thais are cramped in a stronghold then in t 90 they will also be cramped and uncomfortable, you look at Thais, it’s healthy men, Vikings damn it: smile. The same applies to uncomfortable ergonomics. They didn’t bother with the USSR at all, so why should she get this very ergonomics from both the main stronghold and the t 90 .imkhu:
            1. alexxxz
              alexxxz 14 March 2018 16: 51
              0
              "they didn’t bother with the USSR at all, so why should she get this very ergonomics both on the stronghold and on the t 90 .imho" - that is, you acknowledge that the "Stronghold" is assembled from the USSR heritage? You have a reservation, according to Freud! Have your minds been unable, at least, to offer more ergonomic solutions in the 27 years of independence?
    4. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo 15 December 2017 21: 32
      0
      Do you read Thai?
  9. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 25 November 2017 11: 37
    +7
    Phew, what a shit. How such nonsense can be skipped at all.
  10. Ostup bender
    Ostup bender 25 November 2017 11: 38
    +3
    I thought they read articles here before publication.
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  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 25 November 2017 13: 18
    +3
    Quote: inkass_98
    Obviously, there are no other topics. It is necessary to go through the tenth circle through the skakuas and their armored vehicles.
    By the way, on Oplot the engine is not a gas turbine, but a diesel engine, and by no means 5TDF, but 6TD-2Е.

    For the author, this is not significant
  13. DrVintorez
    DrVintorez 25 November 2017 13: 34
    +2
    in medical terms, can be called thermal
    maybe "terminal?"
  14. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 25 November 2017 13: 39
    +3
    Not one military industrial complex in the world can live only for export. In the USA, Russia, France, England, the main client of the military industrial complex is its own army. Why? Because your army is a stable buyer !!! And any industry needs stability to develop. In Ukraine, this is not and will not be for obvious reasons, which is why VPK is engaged in cannibalism.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 26 November 2017 00: 58
      0
      Quote: Sergey 777
      Not one military industrial complex in the world can live only for export. In the USA, Russia, France, England, the main client of the military industrial complex is its own army.

      Not at all. Google, who is the main customer of the British "Vickers Designer", even individual tanks are developed for export ...
  15. Graz
    Graz 25 November 2017 14: 49
    +1
    it's called I blinded him from what was
  16. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 25 November 2017 22: 32
    +4
    And where did we buy engines for our turntables? And turbines for frigates? By the way, have you started the production of your own gas turbine engines?
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 14 March 2018 16: 52
      0
      "By the way, have you started the production of your own gas turbine engines?" - have established. Created jobs. Now it is not dependent on crest-bounty.
  17. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 25 November 2017 23: 37
    +1
    exporters have a serious competitor - the war in the Donbass, with a fair appetite absorbing military equipment

    This is the most significant military victory of LDNR over the Ukrainian military-industrial complex ....
  18. IL-18
    IL-18 26 November 2017 12: 54
    0
    Pancake! Snow retention not to do? Crants?
  19. Dobriy_chelvek
    Dobriy_chelvek 29 November 2017 23: 15
    0
    the message of the author expressed in this article is not clear. T 84 is a tank quite suitable for the realities of the Donbass TVD. The nature of the battles showed that, instead of battles with their own kind, the tanks became a mobile artillery support platform for the infantry, with which the t 84 can cope no worse than t 64 bv / bm, t 72 m and t 80, which use the APU. The only drawback of the T 84 is that they are critically few, and the APU would be useful for a tank with a dz knife, but it is better from competitions and bassoons with a dz knife than with contact 1.
    1. alexxxz
      alexxxz 14 March 2018 16: 54
      0
      "with which t 84 can cope no worse than t 64 bv / bm, t 72 m and t 80, which use the APU." - of course it can! Unless, of course, the corroded gun barrel breaks or swells when fired.
      But even after that he will be able to cope with such a task, he’ll just have to drive closer to the goal.
  20. iouris
    iouris 30 November 2017 16: 57
    0
    This is how the USSR is destroyed.
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 20: 17
      0
      Quote: iouris
      This is how the USSR is destroyed.

      He is no longer 1 / 4 century ....
  21. Equalized
    Equalized 30 November 2017 17: 50
    +1
    The author is a dreamer, and the article is a complete failure. I got to the gas turbine engines and immediately realized what, what, he would first have to figure out the materiel and then write a similar cheap propaganda stool
  22. Nemesis
    Nemesis 1 December 2017 02: 40
    +1
    There is nothing fundamentally new in this T-84, this is the next version of the Soviet T-80UD, and not of the best quality, especially if you recall the results of using the new active armor of the KNIFE in the Donbass ... This is some kind of almost artisanal development ... during which tried to modernize the Soviet T-80UD
    1. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 1 December 2017 07: 20
      0
      This is some kind of almost artisanal development ... during which they tried to modernize the Soviet T-80UD

      Not to fat .....
    2. alexxxz
      alexxxz 14 March 2018 16: 57
      0
      And what do you want?
      All qualified personnel from this plant in Poland collect strawberries. Who and WHAT will think, design? "I blinded him from what was, and then what was, then ...."