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The system of retaliatory strike "Perimeter"

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The domestic system "Perimeter", known in the USA and Western Europe as the "Dead Hand", is a complex of automatic control of a massive response nuclear strike. The system was created in the Soviet Union in the midst of the Cold War. Its main purpose is to guarantee a retaliatory nuclear strike, even if the command posts and lines of communication of the Strategic Missile Forces are completely destroyed or blocked by the enemy.


With the development of nuclear weapons monstrous power principles of global war have undergone major changes. Only one missile with a nuclear warhead on board could hit and destroy the command center or bunker, which housed the top management of the enemy. Here we should consider, first of all, the doctrine of the United States, the so-called "beheading strike." It was against such a strike that Soviet engineers and scientists created a system of guaranteed nuclear retaliation. Created during the Cold War, the Perimeter system took over the alert duty in January 1985. It is a very complex and large organism that was dispersed throughout the Soviet territory and constantly controlled many parameters and thousands of Soviet warheads. At the same time for the destruction of such a country as the United States is about enough 200 modern nuclear warheads.

The development of the system of guaranteed retaliatory strike in the USSR was also started because it became clear that in the future the electronic warfare devices would only be continuously improved. There was a threat that they would eventually be able to block the regular channels of control of strategic nuclear forces. In this regard, a reliable backup method of communication was needed, which would ensure that the teams were launched at all nuclear missile launchers.

An idea emerged to use special command rockets as a similar channel of communication, which instead of warheads would carry powerful radio transmitting equipment. Flying over the territory of the USSR, such a rocket would send commands to launch ballistic missiles not only to command posts of the Strategic Missile Forces units, but also directly to numerous launchers. 30 August 1974, the closed decision of the Soviet government initiated the development of such a rocket, the task was issued to the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau in the city of Dnepropetrovsk, this design bureau specialized in the development of intercontinental ballistic missiles.

The system of retaliatory strike "Perimeter"
Command missile 15А11 of the Perimeter system

The specialists of Yuzhnoye Design Bureau took the basis of the ICBM UR-100UTTH (according to the NATO codification - Spanker, trotter). The head part specially designed for a command rocket with powerful radio transmission equipment was designed at the Leningrad Polytechnic Institute, and the issue was taken up by Strela in Orenburg. A fully autonomous system with a quantum optical gyrometer and an automatic gyrocompass was used to aim the command rocket in azimuth. She was able to calculate the necessary direction of flight in the process of setting up a command rocket on combat duty, these calculations were maintained even in the event of a nuclear effect on the launcher of such a rocket. Flight tests of the rocket started in 1979 year, the first launch of the rocket with a transmitter was successfully performed on December 26. The tests proved the successful interaction of all components of the Perimeter system, as well as the ability of the head part of the command rocket to withstand a given flight trajectory, the top of the trajectory was at an altitude of 4000 meters at a distance of 4500 kilometers.

In November 1984, a command rocket launched from near Polotsk was able to transfer a command to launch a silo launcher in the Baikonur region. The P-36М (according to the NATO SS-18 Satan codification) that took off from the ICBM mine, after working off all the stages, successfully struck the target in the given square at the Kura test site in Kamchatka. In January 1985, the Perimeter system was put on alert. Since then, this system has been modernized several times; currently, modern ICBMs are being used as command missiles.

The command posts of this system are likely to be structures that are similar to the standard rocket bunkers of the Strategic Missile Forces. They are equipped with all necessary control equipment and communication systems. Supposedly, they can be integrated with the missile launchers of command missiles, but, most likely, they are spaced apart over a sufficiently large distance to ensure better survival of the entire system.

The only widely known component of the Perimeter system is the command missiles 15P011, they have the index 15А11. Rockets are the basis of the system. Unlike other intercontinental ballistic missiles, they should fly not towards the enemy, but over Russia, instead of thermonuclear warheads they carry powerful transmitters that send a launch command to all existing combat ballistic missiles of various bases (they have special command receivers). The system is fully automated, while the human factor in its work has been minimized.

Radar surveillance system Voronezh-M, photo: vpk-news.ru, Vadim Savitsky

The decision to launch command missiles is made by an autonomous command and control system - a very complex software package based on artificial intelligence. This system receives and analyzes a huge amount of very different information. During combat duty, mobile and stationary control centers on a vast territory constantly assess a lot of parameters: radiation level, seismic activity, air temperature and pressure, monitor military frequencies, fixing the intensity of radio traffic and negotiations, monitor data from the missile attack warning system (SPRN), and also monitor telemetry from the monitoring posts of the Strategic Missile Forces. The system monitors point sources of powerful ionizing and electromagnetic radiation, which coincides with seismic disturbances (evidence of nuclear strikes). After analyzing and processing all the incoming data, the Perimeter system is able to autonomously make a decision on delivering a nuclear retaliatory strike against the enemy (naturally, the first persons of the Defense Ministry and the states can activate the combat mode).

For example, if the system detects multiple point sources of high-power electromagnetic and ionizing radiation and compares them with seismic disturbance data in the same places, it may come to the conclusion of a massive nuclear strike on the territory of the country. In this case, the system will be able to initiate a retaliatory strike, even bypassing the "Kazbek" (the famous "nuclear suitcase"). Another scenario is that the Perimeter system receives information from the EWS about missile launches from the territory of other states, the Russian leadership is putting the system into combat mode. If, after a certain time, the command to shut down the system does not come, it will itself launch ballistic missiles. This solution eliminates the human factor and guarantees a retaliatory strike against the enemy, even with the complete destruction of the launch calculations and the highest military command and leadership of the country.

According to one of the developers of the Perimeter system, Vladimir Yarynich, it also served as an insurance against the top leadership of the state making a hasty decision on a nuclear strike based on unverified information. Having received a signal from the EWS, the first persons of the country could launch the Perimeter system and calmly wait for further developments, while being absolutely certain that even if everyone who has the authority to issue an order for a retaliatory attack is destroyed, a retaliation will not succeed to prevent. Thus, the possibility of deciding on a nuclear strike in the event of inaccurate information and false alarm was completely excluded.

Rule of four if

According to Vladimir Yarynich, he does not know a reliable method that could disable the system. The control-command system "Perimeter", all its sensors and command missiles are designed to work in the conditions of a real nuclear attack of the enemy. In peacetime, the system remains at rest, one can say it is in a “dream”, without ceasing to analyze the vast array of incoming information and data. When the system is put into combat mode of operation or in case of receiving an alarm signal from SPRN, Strategic Rocket Forces and other systems, monitoring of the sensor network is started, which should detect signs of nuclear explosions that have occurred.

Launch of Topol-M ICBM

Before launching the algorithm, which supposes the “Perimeter” to strike back, the system checks for the presence of 4 conditions, this is the “rule of four if”. Firstly, it is checked whether a nuclear attack has really occurred, the sensor system analyzes the situation for nuclear explosions in the country. After that, it is checked by the presence of communication with the General Staff, if there is a connection, the system is disconnected after some time. If the General Staff does not respond, the Perimeter requests Kazbek. If there is no answer here, artificial intelligence transfers the right to make a decision about a retaliatory strike to any person in command bunkers. Only after checking all these conditions, the system begins to act itself.

American equivalent of "Perimeter"

During the Cold War, the Americans created an analogue of the Russian system "Perimeter", their duplicate system called "Operation Looking Glass" (Operation Through the Looking Glass or simply Through the Looking Glass). She was put into action already 3 February 1961 of the year. The system was based on special airplanes - the US Air Command Command Air Command Command, which was deployed on the basis of eleven Boeing EC-135C aircraft. These machines were continuously in the air for 24 hours per day. Their combat duty continued 29 for years from 1961 of the year to 24 of June of 1990. The aircraft flew in shifts to various areas over the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean. Operators operating aboard these aircraft controlled the situation and duplicated the control system of the US strategic nuclear forces. In the event of the destruction of ground centers or their decommissioning by other means, they could duplicate commands to launch a nuclear strike. 24 June 1990, the continuous combat duty was discontinued, while the aircraft remained in a state of constant combat readiness.

In 1998, the Boeing EC-135C was replaced by new Boeing E-6 Mercury aircraft - control and communications aircraft created by Boeing Corporation based on the Boeing 707-320 passenger aircraft. This machine is designed to provide a backup communication system with nuclear-powered submarines with ballistic missiles (SSBN) of the US Navy, and the aircraft can also be used as an air command post of the United States Strategic Joint Command (USSTRATCOM). From 1989 to 1992, the US military received 16 of such aircraft. In the 1997-2003, they have all been upgraded and are now operated in the E-6B version. The crew of each aircraft consists of 5 people, in addition to them, there are also 17 operators on board (a total of 22 people).

Boeing E-6 Mercury

Currently, these aircraft are flying in order to meet the needs of the US Department of Defense in the Pacific and Atlantic zones. On board the aircraft there is an impressive complex of necessary radio-electronic equipment for operation: an automated complex for launching ICBMs; the onboard multi-channel terminal of the Milstar satellite communication system, which provides communication in the millimeter, centimeter and decimeter ranges; a complex of super long range of high power, intended for communication with strategic nuclear submarines; 3 decimeter and meter radio stations; 3 VHF radio stations, 5 HF radio stations; automated control and communication system for VHF; emergency tracking equipment. To provide communication with strategic submarines, carriers of ballistic missiles in the super-long wavelength range, special towed antennas are used, which can be produced from the aircraft fuselage directly in flight.

Operation of the Perimeter system and its current status

After being deployed on combat duty, the Perimeter system worked and was periodically used as part of command and staff exercises. At the same time, the command missile system 15P011 with the 15А11 missile (based on the ICBM UR-100) was on alert until the middle of the 1995 year, when, within the framework of the signed START-1 agreement, it was removed from combat duty. According to the magazine Wired, which is published in the UK and the USA, the Perimeter system is operational and ready to strike a nuclear attack in the event of an attack, the article was published in the 2009 year. In December, 2011, the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Lieutenant-General Sergei Karakaev, said in an interview with the journalists of Komsomolskaya Pravda that the system “Perimeter still exists and is on combat duty.

Will the "Perimeter" protect against the concept of a global non-nuclear strike?

The development of promising complexes of an instantaneous global non-nuclear strike, on which the US military is working, is able to destroy the existing balance of forces in the world and ensure Washington’s strategic dominance on the world stage. The representative of the Ministry of Defense of Russia spoke about this during the Russian-Chinese briefing on missile defense, which was held on the margins of the first committee of the UN General Assembly. The concept of a fast global strike suggests that the US army is able to deliver a disarming strike on any country and any part of the planet within one hour, using its non-nuclear weapons. In this case, cruise and ballistic missiles in non-nuclear equipment can become the main means of delivering warheads.

Tomahawk rocket launch from US ship

AIF journalist Vladimir Kozhemyakin asked Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Center for Strategy and Technology Analysis (CAST), how much the American instantaneous global non-nuclear strike threatens Russia. According to Pukhov, the threat of such a blow is very significant. With all the Russian successes with Caliber, our country takes only the first steps in this direction. “How many such“ Calibers ”can we launch in one salvo? Suppose a few dozen pieces, and the Americans - a few thousand "Tomahawks." Imagine for a second that 5 of thousands of American cruise missiles are flying toward Russia, skirting the terrain, and we don’t even see them, ”the expert noted.

All Russian long-range radar detection stations record only ballistic targets: missiles that are analogs of the Russian Topol-M, Sinev, Bulava, etc. We can track rockets that go up into the sky from mines located on American territory. At the same time, if the Pentagon gives the command to launch cruise missiles from its submarines and ships located around Russia, they will be able to wipe out a number of strategic objects of paramount importance: including top political leadership, headquarters control.

At the moment we are almost defenseless against such a blow. Of course, in the Russian Federation there is and is a double reservation system, known as the “Perimeter”. It guarantees the possibility of delivering a nuclear retaliatory strike against the enemy under any circumstances. Not by chance in the United States called her "Dead Hand". The system will be able to ensure the launch of ballistic missiles even with the complete destruction of communication lines and command posts of Russian strategic nuclear forces. A retribution will still be dealt to the United States. At the same time, the mere presence of "Perimeter" does not solve the problem of our vulnerability to the "instantaneous global non-nuclear strike."

In this regard, the work of the Americans on this concept, of course, cause concern. But Americans are not suicidal: as long as they are aware that there is at least a ten percent chance that Russia can respond, their “global strike” will not take place. And our country can only answer with nuclear weapons. Therefore, it is necessary to take all necessary countermeasures. Russia should be able to see the launch of American cruise missiles and respond to it adequately with non-nuclear deterrent, without unleashing a nuclear war. But so far Russia has no such means. With the ongoing economic crisis and a reduction in funding for the armed forces, a country can save on many things, but not on our nuclear deterrent forces. In our security system, they are given absolute priority.

Information sources:
https://rg.ru/2014/01/22/perimetr-site.html
https://ria.ru/analytics/20170821/1500527559.html
http://www.aif.ru/politics/world/myortvaya_ruka_protiv_globalnogo_udara_chto_zashchitit_ot_novogo_oruzhiya_ssha
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 23 October 2017 15: 08
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    In this regard, such projects as the BZHRD BARGUZIN, ICBM SARMAT, ICBM RUBEZH (Vanguard) and a long-range missile based on the X-101 are very relevant. The perimeter does not protect against war with the United States, but for how long?
    At the same time, its missile defense must be improved and made denser. Also in this regard, the very issue of an early missile attack and the development of our satellite constellation are very important.
    1. gromoboj
      gromoboj 23 October 2017 16: 37
      +1
      ABM against tomahawks will not help. We are building our missile defense system so that just the perimeter of the perimeter does not reach them when they attack.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 October 2017 16: 47
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        Quote: gromoboj
        ABM against tomahawks will not help.

        Seriously? Our missile defense system will give time to launch the entire arsenal of nuclear weapons, while the axes will crush our missile defense system. And not the fact that they are selling. And in addition to the short, medium and long range complexes, there are also electronic warfare systems, anti-ballistic missile interception aircraft (MIG-31), and again naval missile defense ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 October 2017 19: 54
          +4
          But Russia does not yet have systems from strikes from space - X 37 could become the same global strike system, they will make ten such vehicles, launch them into space with three warheads on each side and they will fly for several years in a row - be on combat duty, in a highly elliptical orbit, the arrival of the team, the entry into the DOE and the warheads will be dropped right above the territory of Russia, and after 2025 the US may have hypersonic shock UAVs and strategic hypersonic missiles. Plus, 2000 anti-missiles, the kinetic interceptors of which will be able to select false targets. The United States is taking great strides to minimize the damage of our retaliatory strike.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 23 October 2017 23: 29
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            But Russia does not yet have systems from strikes from space - X 37

            For this, X-37 is not needed, in the USSR there was already an apparatus capable of attacking from space the P-36 orbital. And now there is no problem launching a satellite with a warhead.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 23 October 2017 23: 34
              0
              But a satellite with a warhead cannot be returned, in which case, the ICBM R 36orb had a flight range of 40000 kilometers and an orbit BUT - their current missile defense systems will get it - during the flight.
          2. bootlegger
            bootlegger 24 October 2017 13: 08
            +2
            How long does it take to descend from a stable and high orbit of a warhead?
            Constant aiming at a target implies only a geostationary orbit (36000 km). Otherwise, aiming at a target will be caused by an orbital cycle.
            Something tells me that ICBMs can catch it faster.
            A preliminary transfer of x37 to a low orbit will increase the level of readiness and introduce surprise to nothing.
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 24 October 2017 01: 05
          +6
          Seriously? 5 thousand axes against all missile defense missiles in Moscow? Yes Easy! Only the Axes will fly not to Moscow alone, but the missile defense system is not there. Until the first missiles fall on us, there will be no launch of an arsenal of nuclear weapons. All other complexes will see them (Axes, etc.) when it is "not too early." So the damage can be pretty hefty! Another thing is that it is not 100%. But even here the states want to dodge, building their missile defense in several echelons - starting from installing it in adjacent territories, on ships near the launch trajectory of surviving missiles, ending with strengthening the group on their territory. The consolation is that we all know all this - which means that this is not the main scenario. And yes, I do not believe in the reasonableness of the states that, they say, they will not risk putting the world on the brink of disaster.
        3. Signalman17
          Signalman17 26 October 2017 10: 48
          -1
          we’ll catch a tomahawk with its near and near sound speed even from Kalash !!! Roughly speaking!!!
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 23 October 2017 16: 48
      +1
      Thanks, Cap. And if anything, then Barguzin and other missiles are actually in a nuclear version, and we will respond to the kraynyak with them and respond to Tomahawks.
      1. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 24 October 2017 10: 34
        +5
        Quote: Kent0001
        ... Barguzin and other missiles are actually in nuclear performance, and we will respond to Tomahawks with them by the extremes.

        Tomahawks can carry a nuclear charge. And when the swarm of tomahawks flies, it will be foolish to wait and see whether an attack with the use of nuclear weapons or not.
        1. jjj
          jjj 24 October 2017 11: 26
          +1
          Imagine. The United States carried out the same coup in Russia. The signal transmission system is broken. "Perimeter" understands that a strike has been dealt and gives the command to launch all missiles
          1. Bergweiss
            Bergweiss 28 October 2017 06: 25
            +2
            It’s easier to imagine a different situation - they implemented it by loading donkeys with donkeys directly to the State Duma and taking control of the country, the signal transmission system began to work in the USA, while there was no violation of the signal, the signal passed, which meant there was nothing to worry about, but the submarines and missiles were sawed by needles , military colleges are closing down, and those that were left in the lap of curators, the Central Bank goes over to the US side, and resources are exported from the country as during occupation.
  2. forty-eighth
    forty-eighth 23 October 2017 16: 27
    +1
    Question to experts: I heard that the "Perimeter" (or some other system), if it is impossible to launch missiles, can undermine them right in the mine. In the event of warhead detonation, a tectonic puncture of the earth's crust should occur in a certain sequence, which can be fatal for the entire planet.
    I have heard this story for a long time from a man who loves, let's say, embellish. Well, I would like to know in more detail: is the outcome so real, and if it is real, are the details known?
    1. San Sanych
      San Sanych 23 October 2017 17: 47
      0
      do not worry, and do not worry, if something, then in place of the greatest mountain system called Cordillera, the greatest sea strait is formed laughing
    2. Proton
      Proton 23 October 2017 17: 53
      0
      Well, about the cleavage, this is probably nonsense, but the fact that, for example, 1000 warheads of 1Mt will instantly explode, yes, rings may appear on the ground, like Saturn laughing
    3. Bronevick
      Bronevick 23 October 2017 18: 58
      +1
      The perimeter system does not exist, it is a bike for intimidating America.
      1. marder7
        marder7 25 October 2017 14: 05
        +1
        Yes, yes, tell the Pentagon, they are there 100% sure that he is.
    4. philosopher
      philosopher April 24 2018 18: 27
      +1
      I also heard about the principle of "not ours, not yours", when in the case of a full cabin, a command will be given to undermine the entire nuclear arsenal on the ground. But this is a very extreme measure. It is possible to act asymmetrically in order to save the population and strike so that the enemy did not have to shoot anything.
      It can be very good to mine the ocean floor’s nuclear charges in neutral waters in such a way that undermining such charges in a certain sequence would lead to the formation of a monstrous tsunami directed. Anything more humane with respect to the enemy than throwing nuclear charges at him, which he will shoot down over his head, dusting hundreds of square kilometers of radioactive dust. It is also possible to lay nuclear mines in seismically unstable areas and in natural flooded karst caves near the coast or even under it.
      ***
      Put your sworn partner on a barrel of gunpowder and hold a lit torch in your hands. We do not need war, but the last word will be ours, even if the recorder speaks for us.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 October 2017 16: 39
    +2
    Right now, experts will gather and answer you ...
    1. shans2
      shans2 23 October 2017 19: 46
      0
      One "specialist" with the surname Pukhov already made vyser about invisible and invulnerable tomahawks)
  4. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 23 October 2017 17: 01
    0
    Well, we don’t see the CD! And for what? We see, we see .. Yes, and you can’t hide the preparations for the launch of 5 thousand Tomahawks. And on the need to improve long-range missiles.
    1. gromoboj
      gromoboj 23 October 2017 18: 19
      +1
      Preparation and no need to hide missiles on ships and submarines are always ready for launch. And when it’s too late, they’ll be dead. Kaliningrad is just shot by artillery
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 23 October 2017 23: 35
        +1
        Quote: gromoboj
        And when it’s too late, they’ll be sick.

        For America, yes, for as long as the tomahawks reach, the states will cover it twice.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 October 2017 19: 57
      +2
      Tomahawks missile strike on the Syrian airfield - a vivid example of stealth.
      1. CooL_SnipeR
        CooL_SnipeR 23 October 2017 21: 52
        +1
        Especially that they warned us in 2 hours ... and let them go along such a trajectory ... that 2/3 did not reach. Gasoline is over ... Stirlitz thought (s)
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 23 October 2017 23: 38
          +3
          For 2 hours they warned this is the same bike from our Moscow Region as 2/3 of missiles that did not reach. At the airport there would be no injured or destroyed aircraft, in the event of a warning in two hours.
          1. passerby5
            passerby5 24 October 2017 14: 47
            +1
            about the launch of axes on the Syrian airport: from people who were there before and after. that the plane showed, had already been. yes they warned. but the part was sent too close to ours. 1 rushed s-300. but expensive. The rest-EW worked. (For what I bought) - but then they knew that they would fly. were not more watchful. and if: tomorrow morning, unexpectedly at 6 an alarm! -there will not be such a warning ....? (
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 October 2017 21: 47
              +1
              "1 hit s-300. But expensive. Rest-EW worked" There are no debris from shot down missiles and there is no evidence whatsoever, and EW against cruise missiles is useless since they have a combined guidance system. What EW can do with a camcorder is nothing.
          2. CooL_SnipeR
            CooL_SnipeR 24 October 2017 17: 17
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            At the airport there would be no injured or destroyed aircraft, in the event of a warning in two hours.

            So they and gouged the planes standing on repair lol And the victims themselves are to blame - we also warned them! And the runway is also to blame, did not have time to hide! good
  5. iouris
    iouris 23 October 2017 17: 26
    +2
    The Perimeter system was useless; the USSR was destroyed in a different way. But the DPRK has not yet been destroyed.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 23 October 2017 19: 59
      +1
      At the disposal of the US Air Force to destroy the DPRK, only one base in Guam - eight million bombs and aircraft shells
      1. Alex290877
        Alex290877 27 October 2017 12: 11
        +1
        They’ll gloriously detonate when the Koreans go there
  6. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 23 October 2017 17: 57
    +1
    After being put on combat duty, the Perimeter system worked and was periodically used as part of the command and staff exercises. At the same time, the 15P011 command missile system with the 15A11 missile (based on the UR-100 ICBM) was on alert until mid-1995, when it was withdrawn from combat duty under the signed START-1 agreement.

    After which he was replaced by a new complex based on Topol. The funny thing is that one of the first official data on the continued operation of the Perimeter was obtained ... from the public procurement website - where a tender was posted to upgrade the system’s command missile. smile
    1. passerby5
      passerby5 24 October 2017 14: 49
      +1
      oh, these tenders .... where you don’t have to tell so many secrets .. and here ... I’d like to quote Larova again. BUT again the hosts will be banned. Although that is in 6 letters ... but the essence conveys)))
  7. LAWNER
    LAWNER 23 October 2017 18: 23
    0
    In any case ... if this system works, then we will never know about it)))
  8. Falcon5555
    Falcon5555 23 October 2017 18: 41
    +2
    The decision to launch command missiles is made by an autonomous control and command system - a very complex software package based on artificial intelligence.

    Horror horror. stop What kind of "artificial intelligence" is there? I would not trust such a thing to neural networks and the like. The president can drown a fishing case. Etc.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 October 2017 18: 58
      0
      Artificial intelligence would not allow Gorbi to come to power. So it doesn’t exist, but Gorbi exists and "it" worked.
      1. marder7
        marder7 25 October 2017 14: 16
        0
        Is it you "skyneta" that you imagined? so there is a simpler system of world domination will not capture bully
    2. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 23 October 2017 19: 12
      +1
      Naive!
      Drown this suitcase - not a dozen "axes" are needed ...
      And for the responsibility of the owner of the suitcase, I would not worry, everything is in order: this suitcase - who needs a suitcase!
  9. sergan m
    sergan m 23 October 2017 20: 17
    +1
    >> She was able to calculate the required direction of flight in the process of placing the command missile on alert, these calculations were retained even in the event of a nuclear impact on the launcher of such a missile. <
    The initial starting coordinate system (what is called the "process of putting on combat duty" here) is entered exclusively manually. No system counts this. And the correction of the initial starting coordinate system after a nuclear strike is really calculated automatically by the system of measuring fast turns (laser gyroscope).
  10. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2017 21: 24
    +1
    Quote: Alexey RA
    After which he was replaced by a new complex based on Topol.

    And before the arming of the complex on the basis of "Poplar" was still a complex on the basis of "Pioneer". And now, most likely it will be on the basis of "Yars"
  11. rruvim
    rruvim 23 October 2017 22: 55
    0
    in this wonderful film there is an episode about the “automatic device”, I didn’t find it (I don’t know how to cut it), but this topic is also good:
    https://youtu.be/tiHeYdUpnks
  12. gaudin
    gaudin 23 October 2017 23: 12
    0
    Quote: Falcon5555
    Horror horror. stop What kind of "artificial intelligence" is there? I would not trust such a thing to neural networks and the like. The president can drown a fishing case. Etc.

    artificial intelligence transfers the right to make a decision on retaliation to any person in command bunkers
  13. Tektor
    Tektor 23 October 2017 23: 13
    0
    The Perimeter system can only work if a command missile starts and flies enough to issue commands. And if she fails to issue commands, for example, with electronics being incapacitated by a close gap of the CHAMP non-nuclear charge in the Kyrgyz Republic from the disarmament strike, and lodging above the site of the alleged launch of the command BR. There should be several command BRs.
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 23 October 2017 23: 59
      +1
      But in the "project" there are several. In each division of the Strategic Missile Forces there should have been two or three command. Moreover, this is an ordinary missile with warheads (warheads) carrying a "command" transmitter. In the beginning, in general, all ballistic missiles should have been equipped with "transmitters", for example, if one was given the "right" to launch, then the rest take off automatically. But after the so-called “zero” option, in order to preserve stocks of warheads from warheads and redirect them, we limited ourselves to several ICBMs with “command” units. So the idea of ​​"perimeter" was born. I am sure that it is now in service, but now this applies only to individual automatic launches. And by and large, I got the impression that the Perimeter system (in the full "package") was deployed precisely on the BZHRD. These were the "command" missiles. So, the restoration of the BARZHD on the basis of Barguzin is the restoration of the Perimeter system.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 24 October 2017 00: 16
        +1
        It was always suspicious that the composition of the BZhRD was attached to cars with RCB, and rather advanced cars with communication. At each railway station there was a “plug” for connecting cable communications. At the first, preventive nuclear strike, radio communications will be difficult.
        About five years ago, at the East Kazakhstan Oblast forum I saw how one of the "eggheads" presented the proposed scheme for launching "command" missiles, taking into account their flights over the Strategic Missile Forces divisions, the rotation of the earth, their direct "participation" (they also carry warheads) and the impossibility the enemy to locate their start (before the start of course). Therefore, all the same, "command" missiles were BZHRK.
        1. Siberia 9444
          Siberia 9444 25 October 2017 10: 30
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          Maybe ! Because the rocket 15a11 was mine and it raises doubts that after a global strike they would have at least one remained in service. So they had to be hidden and transported so that they would not be tracked.
  14. gromoboj
    gromoboj 24 October 2017 00: 03
    +1
    Quote: SPACE
    Quote: gromoboj
    And when it’s too late, they’ll be sick.

    For America, yes, for as long as the tomahawks reach, the states will cover it twice.

    This is where hatred is from?
    1. marder7
      marder7 25 October 2017 14: 12
      0
      but where is such defeatism from? "everything was gone, it’s better to give up right away!" so what?
  15. Old26
    Old26 24 October 2017 00: 21
    +4
    Quote: Tektor
    There should be several command BRs.

    And no one says she is alone.

    Quote: rruvim
    But in the "project" there are several. In each division of the Strategic Missile Forces there should have been two or three command. Moreover, this is an ordinary missile with warheads (warheads) carrying a "command" transmitter. In the beginning, in general, all ballistic missiles should have been equipped with "transmitters", for example, if one was given the "right" to launch, then the rest take off automatically. But after the so-called “zero” option, in order to preserve stocks of warheads from warheads and redirect them, we limited ourselves to several ICBMs with “command” units. So the idea of ​​"perimeter" was born. I am sure that it is now in service, but now this applies only to individual automatic launches. And by and large, I got the impression that the Perimeter system (in the full "package") was deployed precisely on the BZHRD. These were the "command" missiles. So, the restoration of the BARZHD on the basis of Barguzin is the restoration of the Perimeter system.

    First, try to read what is about the structures of divisions, about command missiles of the Perimeter system and don’t write, I'm sorry, nonsense. There were no transmitters on "normal" missiles. And 2-3 command missiles in the division were not even planned. The essence of command missiles is completely different. Therefore, there are separate missiles with warheads, there are missiles with special warheads. The "perimeter" was deployed initially in the mine version in the PR of the 7th division and in the mobile version - the Gorn command missiles in the position area of ​​the 32nd division. No more command missile systems were deployed. Especially on the BZHRK. After the removal of the 15A11 missiles, they were replaced by the Siren 15Zh75 (15Yu75) missile. Which in the near future will also need to be replaced ...
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 24 October 2017 12: 27
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      Thank. Now I understand. And then I heard a lot of "tales" in Kozelsk ...
  16. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 24 October 2017 02: 06
    +1
    Russia should be able to see the launch of American cruise missiles and respond to it adequately with non-nuclear means of deterrence, without unleashing a nuclear war. But so far, Russia has no such funds.

    Yuferyov Sergey - some sort of template ending of the article, without facts and without arguments (!)
    principles of operation of over-the-horizon (ЗГ) radars (from 3 m to 450 km) apparently not taken into account at all:
    Sky-VCA, Sunflower-E
    the VC orbital group is not taken into account:
    2 KA Tundra: the system monitors launches of ICBMs, SLBMs, OTR, TR (KR), issues target routes, and provides control centers.
    2 SC Lotos-S MKRC “Liana”
    2 KA Pion-NKS monitors the movements of military equipment, aircraft, ships
    not accounted for A-50 / A-50
  17. Magorkiy
    Magorkiy 24 October 2017 07: 47
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    Nuclear war is utter nonsense. Such a victory is not advisable. Everything is infected. Chernobyl is an example. Drop bombs and forget about 30 years. Even S.Koreya can cope, and then there’s a fear
  18. Old26
    Old26 24 October 2017 14: 09
    +1
    Quote: rruvim
    Thank. Now I understand. And then I heard a lot of "tales" in Kozelsk ...

    Oh, where you can’t hear enough of the tales. During my first missions to Star City I overheard them so much ... laughing
    But those who served say this very, very sparingly. But the only reliable thing is that there were fewer such connections with command missiles than fingers on one hand.

    Quote: MAGorkiy
    Nuclear war is utter nonsense. Such a victory is not advisable. Everything is infected. Chernobyl is an example. Drop bombs and forget about 30 years. Even S.Koreya can cope, and then there’s a fear

    Do not confuse short-lived mostly isotopes in charges with long-lived ones in nuclear reactors. After 30 years, Chernobyl remains a place largely unsuitable for normal life. But Hiroshima began to be restored on the fourth anniversary, that is, on August 6, 1949, which means that there was no longer a threat to life there
  19. Vasya Nikitin
    Vasya Nikitin 24 October 2017 20: 12
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    The perimeter will protect us for a long time still us. And these may not be necessary, but all of a sudden. As the rocket goes off - so that everything that is forgotten in the mines and the USSR takes off and is based right now))). And they will go overland with something else that we’ll hit them with)
  20. Old26
    Old26 24 October 2017 22: 00
    0
    Quote: rruvim
    It was always suspicious that the composition of the BZhRD was attached to cars with RCB, and rather advanced cars with communication. At each railway station there was a “plug” for connecting cable communications. At the first, preventive nuclear strike, radio communications will be difficult.

    And what bothers you in the fact that there were cars with communication? The structure of the complex was such that these cars performed their functionality. One is the radio transmitting center of the missile regiment and three radio complexes as part of each of the launch pad control modules. You can find out what cars with RCB picked up to the composition with missiles?

    Quote: rruvim
    About five years ago, at the East Kazakhstan Oblast forum I saw how one of the "eggheads" presented the proposed scheme for launching "command" missiles, taking into account their flights over the Strategic Missile Forces divisions, the rotation of the earth, their direct "participation" (they also carry warheads) and the impossibility the enemy to locate their start (before the start of course). Therefore, all the same, "command" missiles were BZHRK.

    Yeah. Judging by your post, there were as many as 36 such missiles. Strange, but up to the point of permanent deployment they traveled along the concrete on rims with diesel locomotives at the head? After all, the compound where they were stationed for the last quarter century is the 8th division in Yuriy ....
    1. Signalman17
      Signalman17 26 October 2017 10: 50
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      But what about cars without communication? Both wired and radio !!!
      1. Signalman17
        Signalman17 26 October 2017 10: 54
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        Each BZHRK is fully provided with all frequencies, both civilian, to radio and news, and military, about which we will keep silent !!!!!!!!! We even listen to air traffic controllers !!!
  21. gromoboj
    gromoboj 25 October 2017 15: 03
    +1
    Quote: marder7
    but where is such defeatism from? "everything was gone, it’s better to give up right away!" so what?

    This is not defeatism. But underestimating the enemy is wrong. And do not confuse the warm with the soft. When attacking Russia without the use of nuclear weapons (and they do not use it because the territory is needed) there will be no retaliatory strike. And everything will turn into a bloody meat grinder.

    Surrendering to yourself is an option. In the best case, what shines is a concentration camp and forced labor. It remains to fight.

    PS By the way, and who knows, Russia has air-based ICBMs in service?
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 30 October 2017 15: 28
      0
      Airborne ICBMs

      Why does a strategic bomber have a ballistic missile there
  22. Old26
    Old26 25 October 2017 18: 52
    0
    Quote: gromoboj
    This is not defeatism. But underestimating the enemy is wrong. And do not confuse the warm with the soft. When attacking Russia without the use of nuclear weapons (and they do not use it because the territory is needed) there will be no retaliatory strike. And everything will turn into a bloody meat grinder.

    You are wrong about a non-nuclear war and its non-development into a nuclear one. Read the Russian Military Doctrine. It stated clearly and clearly that Russia could use nuclear weapons first and even against countries without nuclear weapons if the aggression of these countries would call into question Russia's sovereignty. Not verbatim, but close in meaning. This means that if, for example, certain NATO countries that do not have nuclear weapons commit aggression against Russia, then Russia can calmly be the first to use nuclear weapons against them.

    Quote: gromoboj
    PS By the way, and who knows, Russia has air-based ICBMs in service?

    No one, not only Russia. Under the OSV-2 agreement, it was allowed to have BRVZ (air-to-ground ballistic missiles) with a range of not more than 600 km
    1. Gransasso
      Gransasso 25 October 2017 20: 15
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      Quote: Old26
      You are wrong about a non-nuclear war and its non-development into a nuclear one. Read the Russian Military Doctrine. It stated clearly and clearly that Russia could use nuclear weapons first and even against countries without nuclear weapons if the aggression of these countries would call into question Russia's sovereignty.



      Hello hi


      It is not difficult to write a military doctrine .... to commit collective suicide by an order to use nuclear weapons is quite another .... there is no purpose for which people will go for it ... sovereignty is not serious in this case ... it is better to lose sovereignty. ..why lose sovereignty and at the same time the country's population with it the use of nuclear weapons ...


      Russia lost many wars .. and sovereignty lost .. but nothing .. seems alive and sovereign .. like Japan .. like Germany .. yes there are practically no countries that have not lost wars ... self-destruct is necessary for all those thousands of people who they can unleash such a war, everyone should collectively go crazy ... and they all have families, etc. .. and they themselves want to live ...


      And even if the conditional "king" gives such an order, he will most likely receive a snuffbox on the dark ...
      1. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 30 October 2017 15: 23
        +1
        and sovereignty lost .. but nothing .. seems alive and sovereign .. like Japan .. like Germany.

        than such a “sovereignty” like that of Japan and Germany, the whole world is better in ruin!
      2. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 30 October 2017 15: 25
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        it is better to lose sovereignty ... than to lose sovereignty, and at the same time the country's population along with its use of nuclear weapons ...
        Well, I don’t know each his own, but it’s better to be the last one than to fuss under someone
  23. myup
    myup 26 October 2017 10: 23
    0
    it's just a dream of our military commanders
  24. Bort radist
    Bort radist 26 October 2017 15: 36
    0
    Since 85, the system has undergone four upgrades. I'd like to hope that these modernizations were not like the latest restructuring.
  25. Serge2068
    Serge2068 26 October 2017 16: 59
    +1
    All this, of course, is good and right, but alas, it does not solve the main problem. The main problem is the presence on the planet Earth of a certain group of people and nations who believe that they SHOULD live better than others! An example is the speech of the past US President Obama that the USA is an exceptional nation. And it’s IMPOSSIBLE to live permanently in conditions of an increasing population of the Earth and decreasing resources! So sooner or later, if nothing is changed, the war will be inevitable. It may start as a normal war, but if the losing side realizes that it cannot be won with conventional weapons, it will certainly use nuclear weapons. And now the specific question is - A why is Russia always defending? How many centuries have Western countries attacked Russia in any form - the Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation? Yes, a long time ago. The information war has been going on for centuries, periodically turning into hot phases, as in 1812,1914 and 1941. And what is Russia doing? Well, we came to Paris in 1814, and so we left it. What for? Maybe then it was necessary immediately before London? How many problems could our country have avoided. Why are the Russians so kind? Well, the arrogant Saxons will not calm down
    never. It’s already clear. That it’s so good to live as before, there are already not enough resources. So you need to rob someone. And who? For some reason, you don’t go to Africa, you’ve already seen everything you can. Then who? Of course, Russia, we still have them. So the war seems to be inevitable! And it is high time for Russia to become exactly as it is portrayed by these London-Washington scavengers. It is high time we began to rock the Western world in our favor, creating color revolutions wherever possible. We need to achieve the collapse of the EU, NATO and help in the emergence of a bloody
    US Civil War. And then, taking advantage of the weakness of the West to take
    Together with the PRC and DPRK, the dying world of the West is under control.
    defend. How much is it possible? Well, they didn’t finish us in 1991, so we’ll wait until
    get it again? So it’s sure to be finished! By the way, my deep conviction - with capitalism as a social system, a global war is again inevitable. The reason is very simple - human nature. While thirst for profit will be the basis of the way of life of people of the Western world, and now many Russians - desire some live better than others, one way or another, again lead to war. So it's not just about missile systems!
    1. nikoliski
      nikoliski 17 May 2018 00: 30
      -1
      it's time to bring down neutral Switzerland)
  26. Alex290877
    Alex290877 27 October 2017 12: 03
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    And what's the point in an adequate non-nuclear answer? If they attack, we must respond with what we have. All the same, it will be difficult to fight against NATO without warheads. Therefore, the Americans must be sure that they will receive the entire Russian nuclear arsenal in response to any attack. In my opinion, such an outcome will make anyone think ...)))
    1. Locksmith
      Locksmith 27 October 2017 22: 39
      0
      Quote: Alex290877
      And what's the point in an adequate non-nuclear answer? If they attack, we must respond with what is

      They will answer that, tea is not flying from Mars, apparently, and the return flight will fly there too. 50 axes flew from the destroyer — accept our answer, five tickets to the “Ball” or, if you weren’t lucky, a couple of “Granite pebbles” to the deck laughing
      No need to be so bloodthirsty, the universal warhead 1 Mgt can wait and continue. wink
  27. Rey_ka
    Rey_ka 30 October 2017 15: 20
    0
    In connection with the Presidential election, the main question: To whom do I trust the nuclear suitcase?
  28. nikoliski
    nikoliski 17 May 2018 00: 29
    -1
    Does it work? Or is it a horror story so that they do not climb?