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War Is Boring: “Imagine that almost all Russian ships carry hypersonic rockets”

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In the foreseeable future, the leading countries of the world will have to adopt the first shock systems with hypersonic missiles. So far weapon is at the stage of development and testing, but this may be a cause for concern from a potential adversary. As a result, the military, specialists, the press and the general public show great interest in hypersonic topics, as well as trying to predict the consequences of the emergence of a new weapon.


A few days ago, the topic of hypersonic shock systems was again raised by the US online publication War Is Boring. On October 11, it published an article by Robert Beckhasen “Imagine Almost Every Russian Warship With Hypersonic Missiles” (“Imagine that almost all Russian ships carry hypersonic rockets”). The material, referred to as “air” and “sea”, examines the current successes of the Russian industry in the field of hypersonic technologies, and also tries to predict further developments in this area.



The subheading of the article is a thesis about the approaches to the creation of a new weapon: the Kremlin is developing a Zircon rocket, taking into account the interoperability with existing ships.

At the beginning of his article, R. Beckhasen recalls current Russian developments and possible events in the near future. If everything goes in accordance with the existing plans, then, as he writes, already in the middle of the next decade, the navy of Russia will adopt the promising hypersonic anti-ship rocket “Zircon”. A rocket with a hypersonic ramjet engine can reach speeds of order M = 5. According to the author, this product will differ not only high speed, but also maneuverability.

R. Beckhasen also reminded readers of the principles of operation of hypersonic direct-flow rocket engines. Such a power plant must be turned on at sufficiently high flight speeds obtained using a solid-fuel or other accelerating engine. While moving in the atmosphere, the engine intake device captures air that already has a high relative speed, and then uses it to burn fuel. Created thrust allows the rocket to reach speeds that are not available when using other types of power plants.

The author points out that when flying at hypersonic speeds, the rocket design is subjected to various loads. Thus, when designing such products, it is necessary to take into account the heat from the incident flow and its mechanical effect. It is the overcoming of the problems associated with flying at speeds around M = 5 that is one of the main tasks of all promising projects.

If Russian scientists and designers succeed in overcoming all the difficulties and solving the most complicated tasks associated with a hypersonic flight, then Russia will have one of the most deadly and effective anti-ship missiles in the world. According to known data, in April 2017, the Russian industry conducted several test launches of the Zircon rocket. It was argued that during these flights experienced products could reach speeds of eight times the speed of sound. R. Beckhasen believes that such estimates exaggerate real achievements. However, despite this, Russia is still capable of making excellent missiles. In this area, at least, it is not inferior to foreign countries or even surpasses them.

Known data show that it took about ten years for Russia to create a promising Zirkon rocket - from the start of operations to the proposed adoption of weapons.

The author of War Is Boring believes that the newest Russian rocket will have a range of about 500-640 miles - from 800 to 1000 km. Thus, the product "Zircon" will be able to fly almost three times farther than the most advanced anti-ship missile of the American Harpoon family. Thus, the latest products of this series, built on the projects of AGM-84H / K, are capable of attacking a target at a distance of only 280 km. Given this ratio of characteristics, it should not be surprising that the United States is currently trying to develop a new long-range supersonic anti-ship missile system that can replace not the most sophisticated Harpoons.

R. Beckhasen claims that the Zircon rocket will be able to deliver a combat unit with a mass of 650 pounds (less than 300 kg) to the target. The specific appearance of the product will reduce its signature and reduce visibility for radar surveillance systems. Thanks to this, a new type of anti-ship weapon will be extremely difficult to detect and intercept in time.

The author notes: Russian media are submitting a Zircon rocket as completely invulnerable to air defense or missile defense systems. However, we can partly agree with this thesis, since the hypersonic maneuverable rocket really represents a serious threat to the ships of a potential enemy.

In a recent study, Californian think tank RAND Corporation described the threats associated with the emergence of hypersonic missiles. According to experts of this organization, hypersonic speed and high maneuverability will allow the rocket to penetrate any missile defense. In addition, such weapons significantly increase the response time requirements of protective systems.



Studying the available information about the Zircon project, the American author draws attention to the launcher of a promising rocket - one of the most important moments of the entire strike complex.

Modern warships are equipped with universal vertical launchers for missiles of various types. Such systems are distinguished by small volumes that limit the size of the launched missiles. For hypothetical hypersonic missiles, apparently, starting cells of increased depth are required, which is why the development of a completely new launcher is required. At the same time, however, Russian specialists create the Zirkon anti-ship missiles, taking into account the limitations of the existing 3C-14 launcher. Such a system is already being used for firing by Onyx anti-ship missiles and products of all modifications of the Caliber family.

This fact turns out to be bad. news for the United States Navy. The Russian Navy orders the installation of 3C-14 launchers for almost all new ships. Both small corvettes and heavy cruisers become carriers of this weapon.

The OE Watch, published monthly by the US Army’s Foreign Military Studies Office, has recently raised similar issues in its regular publication. Its authors, quoted by War Is Boring, have concluded that most modern Russian submarines, cruisers, destroyers, and even corvettes will be able to use Onyx, Caliber and Zircon missiles. Such capabilities of the Russian Navy are an example of the implementation of current modularity principles and ensuring interoperability.

Specialists at the US Army's Foreign Military Studies Office believe that such features of the development of the Russian fleet associated primarily with the economy. The Soviet Union had the largest navy, with its ships and submarines having a clear specialization. Russia now does not need such a Navy, and in addition, considers it necessary to build multi-purpose ships. This allows you to get the most out of each invested ruble. In addition, a fleet interaction system was built with some elements of the ground forces and aerospace forces.

After reviewing the current state of affairs and examining advanced weapons, Robert Beckhasen made an interesting conclusion. He believes that the Russian Navy - even if it is merely a coastal defense force - looks quite impressive.

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The 3М22 “Zircon” anti-ship missile from the 3K22 complex is one of the most interesting and ambitious, but at the same time, secret modern developments of the Russian defense industry. Some information about the work on hypersonic topics appeared over the years, but only relatively recently it became known about the creation of a full-fledged missile system designed to attack enemy ships.

For obvious reasons, most of the information on the Zircon complex has not yet been announced, which is why, in particular, specialists and the public have to rely on fragmentary information and various assessments. For example, information about the flight speed to M = 8 was obtained by the Russian press from unofficial sources. However, even the most general information about the Zircon project makes it possible to draw approximate conclusions about the consequences of its appearance and adoption.

War Is Boring: “Imagine that almost all Russian ships carry hypersonic rockets”


It is known that the 3М22 rocket will be used together with the 3С-14 launchers placed on domestic ships of various projects. This feature of the weapon allows you to roughly estimate its dimensions. Obviously, the rocket will receive a booster engine for outputting at supersonic speeds at which a sustained propulsion power unit can be launched. Information about the guidance systems and warheads are not available. At the same time, it can be assumed that a huge flight speed will make it possible to completely abandon the warhead, using only the rocket’s kinetic energy to hit the target.

The first reports of the test launches of the Zircon anti-ship missiles appeared in the early spring of last year. Over the next few months, no new project progress information was received. At the end of this winter, it became known about the imminent continuation of the tests, including with the shooting from the sea stand. In mid-spring, Russian media reported on the conduct of regular flight tests.

Also in April, unofficial information was published, according to which the mass production of Zirkon missiles will start this year. On 2018, the adoption of the 3K22 complex is planned. After that, the deployment of missiles and other facilities of the complex on existing and under construction ships will begin.

As rightly noted by Robert Beckhasen in his article for War Is Boring, carriers of Zircons, as well as Onyxes and Gauges, can become the most diverse surface ships of the Russian Navy. A significant number of ships of all major classes carry vertical launchers 3C-14, which can ensure their compatibility with products 3М22.

The consequences of adopting “Zircon” into service are obvious and have been repeatedly revealed in numerous publications of the domestic and foreign press, including the recent article “Imagine Almost Russian Warship With Hypersonic Missiles”. The Russian fleet will receive a unique shock system capable of solving its main tasks with the highest efficiency. At present and in the near future, the probability of successful interception of hypersonic anti-ship missiles by enemy air defense systems is quite small, so that the naval ships will have a decisive advantage over the ship groups of all other countries.

It is obvious that foreign military will not be idle, and will try to answer the new challenge in the form of a Zircon rocket. Nevertheless, it will take time, during which the Russian fleet will have time to deploy a certain number of new missiles. As a result of this, the title of a recent article “Imagine that almost all Russian ships carry hypersonic rockets” already sounds very ominous.


Article "Imagine Almost Every Russian Warship With Hypersonic Missiles":
http://warisboring.com/imagine-almost-every-russian-warship-with-hypersonic-missiles/
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  1. Soho
    Soho 19 October 2017 06: 19 New
    +8
    Imagine that almost all Russian ships carry hypersonic missiles

    horror story for congressmen, so as not to skimp on allocations.
    since hypersonic maneuverable rocket

    maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.
    1. kudma
      kudma 19 October 2017 07: 59 New
      +2
      Now guessing no sense. They’ll take them into service and see if she can maneuver or not.
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 19 October 2017 15: 51 New
        +3
        How else can. And it will also be inserted into containers (like the Club) and not only all Russian ships will carry hypersonic missiles, but in general all ships of container ships are also hehe
        1. meGrail
          meGrail 20 October 2017 16: 57 New
          0
          How much can you flog this nonsense about container ships with missiles ?? Where to put the guidance system in container ships? Also in containers? Or will there be such a “stand out” container ship with military radars on board?
          I'm not saying that in such a development, at the slightest rustle, the enemy will sink all container ships under the flag, indiscriminately! Well, of course, if an accompanying order is not allocated for each container ship, in this case it will become completely invisible
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 19 October 2017 08: 37 New
      0
      Ie our rockets are mockups from papier mache?
    3. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 19 October 2017 09: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Soho
      maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.


      Definitely.
      A hypersonic missile is also a very contrasting target in the IR range, however, it is almost impossible to intercept it with modern means. A direct kinetic collision is unlikely due to the high relative speeds.
      Another way is to create a field of fragments with the help of MZA on the predicted trajectory of approach to the target, the speed of the collision will do its job - at least the guidance system of the attacking rocket will be hit, but at these speeds - the last 3-5 km is no longer required - the rocket is at the finish straight plot.
      The kinetic energy of a rocket will in any case make a collision with a target inevitable.
      1. ZVO
        ZVO 19 October 2017 11: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: DimerVladimer

        Another way is to create a field of fragments with the help of MZA on the predicted trajectory of approach to the target, the speed of the collision will do its job - at least the guidance system of the attacking rocket will be hit, but at these speeds - the last 3-5 km is no longer required - the rocket is at the finish straight plot.
        The kinetic energy of a rocket will in any case make a collision with a target inevitable.


        Americans believe that the uranium "shell" of their Phalanx, single, only 20 mm - when hit in a rocket gives out such an energy impulse that warhead is undermining.
        And it is they who rearm Phalanxes for uranium.
        I don’t think that undermining a warhead or rocket engine at a distance of 1 mile will make the remainder collide with a target ...
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 20 October 2017 09: 57 New
          0
          Quote: ZVO
          warhead is undermining.

          But what if the warhead is absent as such? we are talking about the kinetic defeat of the target. It turns out that the bullet must be shot down .... a large bullet.
          By the way, the same Granites were protected from getting 20mm. True, uranium slightly changes the picture, but granites had their own warhead at half a ton, it seems.
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      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 October 2017 13: 37 New
        +2
        In hypersound in dense layers of the atmosphere, a rocket is also impossible to control.
        Most likely (as the respected opus reasonably suggested), hypersonic CR is almost
        the entire route will pass in the stratosphere at an altitude of 50 km and only almost above the target
        will decrease, slow down to overwhelming and begin to search for the target of its GOS
        1. Thor
          Thor 19 October 2017 14: 57 New
          +2
          Another nest and count)
          See below.
        2. Lex.
          Lex. 19 October 2017 15: 36 New
          +2
          Then how did the shuttles land?
          That they did not maneuver in hypersound in the atmosphere
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 19 October 2017 21: 31 New
            +2
            They slowed down to supersonic (airplane) speeds and then began to approach.
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 19 October 2017 21: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              They slowed down to supersonic (airplane) speeds and then began to approach.




              And in order to do this, they needed a special heat-resistant coating, expensive .... on futuristic hypersonic anti-ship missiles, would they also put such a thing? ... or their electronics in the same GOS, do not care about these brakes, overheating and overloading ...
              1. mac789
                mac789 16 November 2017 11: 12 New
                0
                Why expensive coating ... Regular polyethylene is quite suitable ...
            2. Lex.
              Lex. 20 October 2017 09: 47 New
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              Oh yes means where will God send your way?
              Nothing like that
      3. arkadiyssk
        arkadiyssk 20 October 2017 10: 24 New
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        Those. how impossible to intercept? Nothing that the SM-3 intercepts ballistic missiles at an oncoming speed of 7km / s? As if this is slightly higher than hypersound at 1.5km / s.
        1. meGrail
          meGrail 20 October 2017 17: 06 New
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          Quote: arkadiyssk
          Those. how impossible to intercept? Nothing that the SM-3 intercepts ballistic missiles at an oncoming speed of 7km / s? As if this is slightly higher than hypersound at 1.5km / s.

          You do not confuse hypersound (which is in the atmosphere) and speed in an airless space, these are completely different things
    4. FID
      FID 19 October 2017 09: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Soho
      maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.

      I will support you, I will add, in the atmosphere, it is almost impossible ...
      1. Rey_ka
        Rey_ka 19 October 2017 11: 04 New
        +1
        And no one asks her to turn around and fly back and correction in a fraction of a degree is not such a big problem. and so it’s clear that the main targeting to the main acceleration section when approaching the target for 10-50 km is a slight adjustment and hello bottom ... And no one asks the rocket to enter the porthole so that +/- 2-3 m of norms
        1. FID
          FID 19 October 2017 11: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Rey_ka
          and correction in a fraction of a degree is not such a big problem.

          I apologize, you try to calculate the effort on steering deviations, the deviation itself (it should be VERY small) and what should be the reaction of the hydraulic systems ...
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 19 October 2017 12: 52 New
            +3
            Quote: SSI
            I apologize, you try to calculate the effort on steering deviations, the deviation itself (it should be VERY small) and what should be the reaction of the hydraulic systems ...

            I agree that maneuvering at hypersonic speeds is a difficult task and that the most entertaining is of little use, if not useless at all ...
            Avoiding rudders is not necessary and the hydraulic system does not put rockets ..., but the use of gas-dynamic rudders is a very realistic prospect of controlling rocket weapons at any speed ... hi
            1. FID
              FID 19 October 2017 13: 52 New
              +4
              Quote: NIKNN
              Driving away the steering wheels is not necessary and the hydraulic system does not put rockets ...

              I apologize, I worked with the X-15 (although it is not hyper, but much more ...) ... To deflect the nozzle of the gas-dynamic steering wheel, one hell hydraulics works ...
              1. NIKNN
                NIKNN 19 October 2017 13: 57 New
                +4
                Quote: SSI
                I apologize, I worked with the X-15 (although it is not hyper, but much more ...) ... To deflect the nozzle of the gas-dynamic steering wheel, one hell hydraulics works ...

                I will not argue with a specialist. hi And I don’t know the efforts of deviating the nozzle, however if without nozzle deviation and impuses uncontrolled nozzles in the head part ... All this is reasoning, I think if there is a need then smart people will find a way to control ... smile hi
                1. FID
                  FID 19 October 2017 14: 03 New
                  +2
                  Totally agree with you! Simply, in the atmosphere, jet nozzles should SO blow ... (this is not space).
          2. Uryukc
            Uryukc 19 October 2017 12: 56 New
            0
            At hypersound, the rocket will not maneuver with its rudders, either a simple thrust vector like air-to-air missiles, or additional shunting engines, which in my opinion is more likely, especially for a vertical launch rocket.
          3. Thor
            Thor 19 October 2017 13: 04 New
            +4
            Quote: SSI
            Quote: Soho
            maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.

            I will support you, I will add, in the atmosphere, it is almost impossible ...
            DimerVladimer
            Quote: Soho
            maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.
            Definitely


            Failure to all and count on equipment))

            Most medium and long-range missiles fly on hyper. Some are already 40 years old. (5V55K / 5V55KD S-300P)
            And they maneuver perfectly in the atmosphere! wink
            1. FID
              FID 19 October 2017 14: 01 New
              +5
              Quote: Thor
              (5В55К/5В55КД С-300П)

              I apologize, the speed of 2000-2500 km / h is hyper? You minus 1 in terms of equipment ... It's not even a count, it's worse. We (the USSR and the Russian Federation now) have long been ahead of the rest ... For the future, on hyper, only the heads of ballistic missiles from outer space fall, forgive me God.
              1. Thor
                Thor 19 October 2017 14: 16 New
                +5
                2000-2500 m / s, METERS PER SECOND, CARL !!!
                You can’t even imagine the orders of numerical parameters you are trying to write about ...
                negative
                1. FID
                  FID 19 October 2017 14: 20 New
                  +3
                  Guilty, I'm probably not special ... I apologize!
                  1. Thor
                    Thor 19 October 2017 14: 27 New
                    +3
                    Well, thank God, one has seen! laughing
                    So
                    We (the USSR and the Russian Federation today) have long been ahead of the rest

                    in that direction, yes.
                    wink
                    1. Gransasso
                      Gransasso 19 October 2017 15: 03 New
                      0
                      Quote: Thor
                      Well, thank God, one has seen!




                      And at what altitudes can these anti-aircraft missiles reach hypersound? ... at all? .. how many can fly in hypersound? ... and what happens to speed when maneuvering? ...
                      1. Thor
                        Thor 19 October 2017 15: 52 New
                        +1
                        So many questions, right the circle "I want to know everything" ... So read the characteristics of them written there! And read the posts above - my answer was for posts like:
                        voyaka uh ↑
                        Today, 13: 37
                        In hypersound in dense layers of the atmosphere, a rocket is also impossible to control.

                        Drive.
                        And as for below:
                        Americans for some reason do not believe that they have guided missile hypersonic weapons

                        then this usually means not SAM, but shock missiles such as RCC, KR, OTRK, etc., which are hypersonic on most of the track. Although looking at the declared characteristics of Iskander, one can doubt that it is not)
                  2. Gransasso
                    Gransasso 19 October 2017 15: 29 New
                    0
                    Max speed SM-3-2700 m / s ... but for some reason the Americans don’t think that they have guided hypersonic missile weapons for some reason ... although it would seem ...
                    Quote: SSI
                    Guilty, I'm probably not special ... I apologize!
                    1. KonOnOff
                      KonOnOff 19 October 2017 18: 02 New
                      +1
                      How long does the active section of the SM-3 trajectory last? ... winked
          4. KonOnOff
            KonOnOff 19 October 2017 18: 00 New
            +2
            Some air-to-air missiles maneuver with an overload of 40 "same" ... And nothing - they somehow manage ...
    5. Dimka off
      Dimka off 19 October 2017 10: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Soho
      maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.

      judging by the rocket from Iskander it’s very possible. According to open data, the rocket has a quasibalistic flight path and even it is possible to maneuver at a speed of 2100-2600 m / s. So, I think, Zircon rockets and, for example, product 4202 can quite maneuver in hypersound.
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        Soho
        Soho 19 October 2017 10: 15 New
        +2
        Dimka off Today, 10:04 ↑
        Quote: Soho
        maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.
        judging by the rocket from Iskander it’s very possible.

        I think you need to understand the difference between supersonic and hypersound. And also what loads and what aerodynamic quality are present at such speeds. These are slightly different things.
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  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 October 2017 13: 32 New
    +1
    "flight path and even the ability to maneuver at speeds of 2100-2600 m" ///

    + - 2 degrees from the main trajectory. And not on the whole trajectory. And then you need to take a lot of fuel
    for gas rudders.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 20 October 2017 14: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: Soho
    maneuvering on hypersound is very, very problematic.

    If you do not take into account plasma “jumps” - then yes ... And if you take into account that Zircon flies in a cocoon from plasma, then it will be just that! I don’t believe it myself, but those who know "evil languages" say that such aircraft can maneuver under 90 * without changing their speed ...
    ("So trust the people after this: I surrendered to him under the moon ...") wassat
  • ZVO
    ZVO 19 October 2017 07: 51 New
    +5
    The most important thing is a rocket under UVP. Under its size. Accordingly, no 1000km on hypersound, and even with a warhead on an 300kg - will not! This is unrealistic after the fact.
    Maneuverability on hypersound - also from the category of unreality.
    Gravity control is easier to open than create materials. able to arrange anti-aircraft maneuver at speed in M-5,6 - in the atmosphere of the Earth.

    There will be a high-speed rocket with a range of 250-300km.
    From warhead to 150-180kg.
    1. Uryukc
      Uryukc 19 October 2017 13: 00 New
      0
      As an option without a high-explosive warhead, only a core or prepared fragments with a range of 400-800 km. Such a range and speed can be achieved if the rocket climbs to a height of 60-90 km. He will maneuver a little in the stratosphere, take aim at the final section and pierce any ship in a straight line to the keel.
      PS Damn interesting what kind of guidance system there.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 19 October 2017 19: 13 New
        +1
        ZVO, then the question arises (talking about range): "Why bother with a garden if such a range is hit by missiles?" After all, it is known that marine air defense systems can operate on ships. SAM missiles have the necessary speed, so what's the matter !? Or maybe the flight path of the military does not suit? hi
    2. KonOnOff
      KonOnOff 19 October 2017 18: 22 New
      0
      Quote: ZVO
      The most important thing is a rocket under UVP. Under its size. Accordingly, no 1000km on hypersound, and even with a warhead on an 300kg - will not! This is unrealistic after the fact.


      Do not forget about inertia ... Yes, I am also sure that the hypersonic part of the trajectory will be relatively short. There may be only a third of the entire trajectory: 1/3 - to accelerate to the start of the "forward flow", 1/3 - to fly in hypersound and the remaining 1/3 of the trajectory - flight by inertia with taxiing to the target. If the target is not at the maximum launch distance, but somewhere in the middle of the trajectory, then it is possible to enter the target in hypersound ...

      Quote: ZVO
      Maneuverability on hypersound - also from the category of unreality.


      It is quite real. Only the turning radius will be a couple of kilometers ... Accordingly, we can assume that the maximum deviation from the trajectory plane (from the aiming point) will be no more than +/- 15-20 degrees. This is quite enough, because at such speeds, the entire section of the trajectory to the target will be passed very quickly - the target simply cannot deviate far enough from the aiming point. The normal speed of almost all surface ships is max. 30-32 knots (nautical miles / hour). You can easily calculate how long the rocket at speed M = 6 (the most realistic speed for the Zircon) will pass a section of, say, 600-800 km. 1000 km is, possibly, on coastal motionless targets (and such an opportunity is embedded in any anti-ship missiles).

      Quote: ZVO
      Gravity control is easier to open than create materials. able to arrange anti-aircraft maneuver at speed in M-5,6 - in the atmosphere of the Earth.


      Some air-to-air missiles maneuver with overloads up to 40 "a". So everything is quite real ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 October 2017 09: 25 New
    0
    Maneuverability at M = 5 and higher is a relative concept, there is rather a small correction in the target area, and without warheads at this speed you can completely get by using scraps from depleted uranium ... They will do a lot of troubles at that speed.
    1. KonOnOff
      KonOnOff 19 October 2017 18: 07 New
      +1
      This is an illusion ... They will stitch through, leaving even “holes”. And it’s not a fact that the “vital organs” of the ship will be touched ... It’s like with a bullet for a person: a bullet wound to fly out with an ordinary bullet even to the lung is not as scary as a bullet wound by a “doom-doom” bullet even in the arm (man very often dies simply from pain shock, or the arm has to be amputated, because small bones remain from the bones).
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 October 2017 21: 52 New
        +1
        And you imagine a pack of uranium rods flying away (by explosion) upon impact, and uranium has the property to be ignited during sudden pressure drops.
        1. KonOnOff
          KonOnOff 20 October 2017 23: 43 New
          +1
          The pyrophoricity (ability to ignite) of unenriched uranium is very well known for the sub-caliber tank shells that were actively used by the United States in the same Iraq. But this is only in a state of atomization in an oxidizing environment (with an excess of oxygen and at high temperature). In fact, the "pressure drops" here are not related to the pyrophoric properties of unenriched uranium. Need resistance medium (those. tank armor). In this case, uranium rods (or rather evaporated uranium dust) in a gaseous atmosphere saturated with oxygen ignite and burn very "nasty" with the release of very toxic oxides and heavy compounds ... Inhaling this smoke is highly not recommended!

          On the other hand, calculate the specific gravity of even unenriched uranium or tungsten and compare with the known formulas of the same TNT or RDX (the composition of the explosive of the same warhead). How many uranium rods by weight can you cram into the mass dimension of a standard RCC? And how much “noise and chaos” will they make in comparison with a conventional warhead with a steel case with notches for finished fragments by milling “grooves” from the inside?

          And if you still lay out the “shirt” of a conventional warhead (cut into fragments) from the inside with pyrophoric materials, for example, magnesium alloys with aluminum with the addition of phosphorus compounds (in a stable state), then such fragments in hypersound with the addition of blast velocity vectors will pierce two -Three bulkheads and create centers of local fires in compartments 20-30 meters from the epicenter of the explosion ... Typical "pops" that Americans and Britons dumped in batches to Dresden and other cities ...

          Do you know what a ship fire is at sea? This is complete horror! Fire is above, and water is around! And both environments are hostile to man ... A fire in the sea is the worst thing that can only be given to test sailors ... Believe me, I am aware ...

          And tungsten and uranium rods will simply fly right through from side to side, leaving very neat round holes, without even having time to “inflame with love for the victim ship”! laughing There will be no place for a “heavy soul with an empty heart” to catch on! A ship is not a tank! Fly through and don’t even feel ...
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 21 October 2017 00: 07 New
            +1
            Those. warship-partition0 solarium-partition wall ammunition. Will not ignite will not explode?
            1. KonOnOff
              KonOnOff 21 October 2017 00: 27 New
              +3
              Ships rely on the fact that they will be "beaten and burned." And even ships also count on leakage and fires. For military sailors, this is called the "struggle for the survivability of the ship." There are clear calculations (in the sense of mathematics and the positions and actions of the crews of the combat units of the ship), who should do what and how. To drown a modern ship, even from thin steel and radar absorbing coatings on the outer hull - this is a very difficult task! There are also armored rooms ... For example, on American destroyers such as Arly Burke, the central combat post (where all the control of Aegis and other combat systems is located) is protected by Kevlar ceramic armor that can withstand fragments of artillery shells and even a direct hit 30 mm shells.

              Only a certain combination of fuel + oxidizer “ignites” and “explodes”. For example, gunpowder burns, but does not explode if a pressure + temperature combination is not created, i.e. detonation process. We, for example. bonfires were made on gunpowder artillery "pasta" ... It stinks terribly when it burns. But he makes a fire very quickly ... And they made fires with TNT ... There is a lot of smelly smoke ... but it will never explode!

              And the ships go on fuel oil, not diesel fuel! Well, except for boats and any other "small fusion." And this fuel oil is preheated to hundreds + degrees and in a liquid boiling state they are still driven through centrifuges in order to get rid of all the substances that carbon deposits will create in the cylinders of the car ... So it will not work to blow up the “fuel tank” on the ship! Only the vapor mixture explodes, i.e. specific concentration of fuel + oxidizing agent (solar / fuel oil + air / oxygen) ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 October 2017 09: 26 New
    +1
    And, of course, the use of such missiles at such ranges will require accurate reconnaissance of data ...
    1. KonOnOff
      KonOnOff 21 October 2017 01: 11 New
      +1
      Did you mean target designation? This is not "intelligence." This is not the same !!! am

      This myth is as stereotypical on the Internet as it is about “spy satellites” that “hang over the Earth constantly and see everything” ... laughing

      If we are talking about the former "Legend", then target designation was given not rockets, carriers rockets! Targeting the same carriers of "granites" can give both a submarine and a reconnaissance vessel disguised as a "fisherman". Anything!

      "Legend" is a system that detected and accompanied American AUGs, but this system itself is known to "Granites" (rockets) need not! To carriers "granites" needed target designation, and "granites" flew there and themselves found goals in that areawhere they were sent ... i.e. behind radio horizon.

      But now Russia has the means to see targets far beyond the radio horizon, even without the involvement of a satellite constellation ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 October 2017 13: 53 New
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        Russia does not have them. But I meant precisely the target designation.
        1. KonOnOff
          KonOnOff 27 October 2017 00: 01 New
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          There are two spacecraft in orbit and over-the-horizon radars.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 27 October 2017 08: 20 New
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            This is a little help tracking 10 AUG ...
  • Curious
    Curious 19 October 2017 13: 34 New
    +3
    Nobody needs these missiles anymore. A little earlier Damantsev with two frigates and a barge brought the entire NATO fleet to hysteria. Give him a couple more barges with caps - and no rockets will be needed.
    1. KonOnOff
      KonOnOff 21 October 2017 04: 19 New
      +1
      In Ukraine, all such and-oty? Or are you all just plainly "kidding" and pretending to be?
  • Gransasso
    Gransasso 19 October 2017 16: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Thor
    So many questions, right the circle "I want to know everything" ... So read the characteristics of them written there! And read the posts above - my answer was for posts like:
    voyaka uh ↑
    Today, 13: 37
    In hypersound in dense layers of the atmosphere, a rocket is also impossible to control.
    Drive.



    And what is wrong with what I want to know ... all the more I ask a knowledgeable person ...

    The maximum speed is indicated in the performance characteristics of missiles ... for some types it reaches hypersonic values ​​... in this regard, I ask you as a knower:

    1) .This is the maximum speed .. is it always achieved at any altitude for a long time? ... or is it the speed that is achieved only occasionally, at short intervals and in specific conditions .. for example at very high altitudes ... where there are dense layers atmospheres are not so dense let's say so ..

    2) .In these "hypersonic" sections of the missile system is capable of performing maneuvers or can it only perform them at lower speeds? ...

    3). When shooting at low-flying targets, are these missiles capable of reaching hypersound and maneuvering? ...


    Thank you in advance...
  • bk316
    bk316 19 October 2017 18: 25 New
    +2
    I have a sea container in the country.
    He looked at a map of 1000 km covers the entire eastern Baltic and even reaches Warsaw.
    I want Zircon!
    1. meGrail
      meGrail 20 October 2017 17: 17 New
      0
      Aim for the peephole?
      1. KonOnOff
        KonOnOff 21 October 2017 04: 31 New
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        Inspired ... Wolf comes to the Hare in the store:

        - Pour me 600 grams of salt, an eared friend ...
        - There are no such measurements, gray! Only a pound and a kilogram ...
        - Well, you are a mound on your eye ...
        - For yourself a mound, you are rabid dogs !!!
        [smiley of a bloodthirsty hare banned by "human rights" on the Internet]
        -----------
        And if it’s the case, then the container’s position long before the war can be calculated up to a centimeter according to ZhyPyES and GLONASS, and in general all flight missions must be entered in advance ... Here is such a “personal summer cottage” tactically outstanding “interior” and “hot neighborhood” .. . laughing
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 19 October 2017 21: 51 New
    0
    Why does it sound ominous? It sounds encouraging, even as encouraging. And when the publication appears with the words "They put new anti-ship missiles into the troops ..."
  • Dekabrev
    Dekabrev 19 October 2017 23: 47 New
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    It is clear that it won’t twist Nesterov’s loops, but at such speeds even getting into a rocket flying in a straight line is the same task, and if it deviates to the left and then to the right by several degrees, it will be even more difficult to get. I looked at the TTX S-300, so that the water in the mortar is not crushed. They are very hypersonic - up to 2800 m / s, i.e. about 9 mach. And it, of course, maneuvers, since an anti-aircraft missile cannot be uncontrollable. By the way, guided bullets change direction due to the deflection of the front part, at least some and no gas-dynamic rudders. Believe me, if specialists have been plaguing the same problem for many years, then they can come up with this, which a normal person would never even think of. The main thing is a lot of man-months of work of good specialists and a lot of money for equipment, prototyping and testing. And the impossible becomes possible. And if you sit and reflect on the basis of school knowledge in physics, without even looking at the performance characteristics of modern anti-aircraft missiles, then everything is impossible.
  • Dekabrev
    Dekabrev 19 October 2017 23: 52 New
    +1
    However, at the expense of Nesterov's loops I got excited. Even completely unguided missiles sometimes do this ...
    The falling rocket smoked
    And the calculation ran from her,
    Who has ever seen this,
    That x .... will approach the rocket.
    Well, in the sense it won’t do.
  • Dekabrev
    Dekabrev 22 October 2017 22: 27 New
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    It is such that the author of the article did not think up anything better than to give an illustration of an American rocket as an illustration to an article about Russian missiles.
    1. Anton Yu
      Anton Yu 23 October 2017 09: 48 New
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      The picture shows exactly an American rocket, but there is an assumption that Zircon will look similar.
  • Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 23 October 2017 09: 53 New
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    Here is a model of the Russian-Indian hypersonic missile BraMos-2
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 23 October 2017 10: 33 New
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    Well, Russia is afraid of someone who is unkind to her and bears thoughts of aggression against our country. And try, NATO, you will find out right there. And is it possible to maneuver or not a hypersonic projectile, then with such a fantastic speed and invisibility it is already impossible to stop
  • three-track
    three-track 24 October 2017 10: 05 New
    0
    They are silent about their developments. And this is a new plane to replace the Blackbird, these are satellites with weapons for burning electronics, these are new atomic mines for stopping the exit of atomic boats on traverses, these are new quadcopter wasps with poisons straight, here there are laser and sound weapons and much, much more.
  • Anton Yu
    Anton Yu 2 November 2017 09: 35 New
    +1
    This is no longer being treated.