Orbital station "Salyut-7"

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Orbital station "Salyut-7"


By the 60 anniversary of the launch of the first Soviet satellite, Russian filmmakers timed the screening of the film "Salute-7". Yesterday he was watched by Russian President Vladimir Putin. Today the picture was shown in the press center "Russia Today".



You will be able to find out about artistic merits and demerits of the film, whose roles were played by the wonderful Russian actors Vladimir Vdovichenkov, Maria Mironova, Pavel Derevyanko, Alexander Samoylenko and Oksana Fandera, tomorrow.

And today, we will talk about real stories orbital station "Salyut-7". How it was? And what was the drama of the situation that became the basis for the film?

The orbital station "Salyut-7" was a delicate refined by domestic designers "Salyut-6". An atomic navigation system was installed, which, after passing a preliminary check, pleased with unprecedented accuracy.

The Upgrade brought an excellent Signal-B fire detection system. On board was an ultra-modern X-ray telescope, which greatly facilitated the task of observing space objects. There was here and a unique French-made photographic equipment, which made it possible to study in detail the space and terrestrial spaces.

New equipment significantly increased the reliability of the station and provided automation for many processes. The modifications made it possible to maximize the program of scientific experiments conducted over several years.

But 11 February 1985 of the year in 9 hours 23 minutes, the control over the station which was empty for several months was lost!

What time was it? 1985-86 is a bit like 2017. The cold war is in full swing. The USSR and the United States exchange "courtesies", "symmetrically" sending workers of embassies back home. Diplomatic scandals follow one after the other. And February, 1985, went down in history as the time when the legendary Ronald Reagan Doctrine was proclaimed.

What is its essence? It's simple. States openly began to support any anti-Soviet and anti-communist manifestations throughout the Earth. Nicaragua and Mozambique, Cambodia and Laos, Afghan Mujahideen and Angolan UNITA received practically unlimited support from “the most democratic country in the world” in their struggle with the Soviet Union.

Gorbachev will come to power only in March 1985 of the year. The course for ingratiating with the West has not yet been taken. Flywheel weakening the country from the inside, which will be pleased with the West, is not included.

The station, which had been empty for six months now, at which a number of invaluable scientific and medical experiments had been carried out, stopped responding to signals sent from the Flight Control Center, and began its slow movement toward Earth.

Where will fall multi-ton colossus? Which city and country will it cover itself? Not only the lives of people were threatened, but also the reputation of the USSR in the world! But to destroy the station with a missile strike meant dropping the Soviet Cosmos at least 10 years ago.

Those people in whose hands was the future of Soviet space exploration, the situation, let's face it, "invigorated". The Central Committee was nervous and for good reason. Potential conflict - who knows! - could easily smoothly grow into the Third World War and put a fat point in the history of mankind.

The situation demanded an immediate settlement and was entrusted to the crew of the most experienced cosmonauts of the Soviet Union. Vladimir Dzhanibekov and Viktor Savinykh started pre-flight training.

It was these pilots who insisted on the candidacies of not just anyone, but Alexey Arkhipovich Leonov himself - the first man in outer space.



On the “personal balance” of Vladimir Dzhanibekov, who performed 1985 of the year in 43, there were 4 space missions, during which he flawlessly performed the work of the spacecraft commander, for which he was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union twice.

It was this cosmonaut who had the experience of manual docking, invaluable in the given circumstances, the art of which he was to demonstrate when he came into contact with the “dead station”. His colleague Viktor Savinykh was a God’s flight engineer, who knew the “Salute-7” “in and out”.

As Valery Ryumin recalled: “The crew had a unique task: to dock with the 20-ton“ brick ”, which became, in fact,“ Salyut-7 ”after a breakdown”.

Adrenaline into the blood of the flight organizers and the astronauts who were flying straight into the unknown, was added by the fact that no one, in fact, could imagine what had actually happened at the orbital station?

Is it recoverable?

Will you be able to enter it?

Will it be possible to do anything to move the multi-ton structure from orbit?



One way or another, it was necessary to act. It’s right not to wait for the Soviet “miracle of technology” to cover Tokyo, Berlin or Washington? After all, the entire 6 years ago in Australia collapsed American orbital station. But who remembers the miscalculation of Americans, if such a precedent happens with the USSR? There will be no excuses.

The preparation took only 3 of the month. By cosmic standards - an extremely short time! Training was conducted in the enhanced mode. It seemed that the organizers of the upcoming flight did everything possible to eliminate any surprises for the already experienced pilots.

All sorts of abnormal situations were worked out, artificial difficulties were created that could occur during the flight, the equipment and systems of the simulator were put out of operation, during which the conditions of the “rescue operation” were simulated.

“We made mistakes, but later they became less and less,” recalled cosmonaut Viktor Savinykh in his bestseller “Notes from the Dead Station”.

The Soyuz-T spacecraft, on which the flight was to take place, was spared from "ballast." Equipment that was not needed for a specific task was removed. Added containers in which were stored supplies of food and water.

Installed additional night vision devices. Involved laser designators, which could contribute to a successful docking, because ... the second attempt could not be.

And so! In the first summer days of 1985, with a cheerful voice of Igor Kirillov, the Vremya program reported on the successful launch of T-13, whose task was to carry out the work provided for by the program. And then the person on duty "The spacecraft systems work normally, the astronauts feel good!".



And there were a lot of problems on board. The mistakes made in a hurry that could become fatal occurred on the earth! One of the blocks of the T-13 spacecraft, designed to clean the atmosphere of the ship, was mixed up with an oxygen generating unit.

This almost led to the tragedy, when the pressure began to grow rapidly, and there was a risk of fire. The trouble was prevented only by the experience and attentiveness of the Soviet cosmonauts.

Turning over the pages of the book “Notes from the Dead Station”, you are immersed in invaluable technical details, of which one of the unique events in the history of manned cosmonautics is woven. This episode is called the “manual docking of the T-13” and the “dead” orbital station Salyut-7.

At 11 in the morning, 8 Jun astronauts saw the "object". The orbital station was brighter than Jupiter!

Turning to manual mode, the astronauts began to perform the task, which no one else undertook but to overtake the station and dock without crashing into it. In the event of failure, the hopes for salvation of the Salyut-7 would have been irretrievably lost, as was the control over the situation, the development of which was now closely watched on Earth.

“At the moment of rapprochement, I could not stand it! - Victor Petrovich Savinykh admitted. - “Turn off speed!” I shouted to Volodya. And next to that I heard the calm voice of Janibekov, who transmitted to the earth: “Dawn, I quench the speed”.

Can we, today's, feel the despair of the moment when both astronauts realized that they had approached the station ... from the wrong side and “called in” to the “non-working” docking station?

Our song is good - start over! It was necessary to fly around "Salute-7" on the other hand and repeat the filigree work, which seemed to be almost completed ...

When the long-awaited touch and docking occurred, no one was happy for just one reason. It simply did not have the forces that were spent on work, which became the talk of the town and one of the most intense moments in the plot of the film.

The astronauts sat silently in their chairs, not looking at each other.

“Was it difficult? What's so complicated? This is my job, my craft! - recalled Vladimir Alexandrovich Dzhanibekov years later. - Genuine heroes work in the mines in the Luhansk region, where I happened to be. That's really scary there ... And what happened to me ... I went to this! And dreamed about it all my life. ”

At the next stage, it was necessary to determine whether the station is airtight? If not, this is the worst thing that could happen (after, of course, the death of the crew, which was possible at the time of the collision with the station, on the approach to it). In this case, the situation with the "Salute-7" would not be reparable. On the "T-13" trite would not have enough oxygen to perform the widest range of work!

... The station was tight. Chilling dry cold and silence, and in the silence the throbbing of your heart under the spacesuit is barely audible, but quickened. The solar cell orientation system is out of order! Repair or spit and fly away?

And Vladimir Dzhanibekov spat. True, he did this at the request of Valery Viktorovich Ryumin, who was in the MCC. Saliva instantly froze. There was work to be done, monstrously hard work in climatic conditions that were far from ideal as much as Soviet cosmonauts were far from the earth.

And somewhere down there, cheerfully told TASS about the successful and trouble-free docking, positive mood and well-being of Soviet cosmonauts. After 2 of the day, in the midst of the work, the astronauts needed to appear before the population of the Soviet Union, “waving a hand on the TV air”.



Good! The vapor from the mouth no longer went (which was verified in advance). And for the Soviet viewer an illusion of planned and safe work in space was created.

Exhausted to the limit by working without sleep and rest, the Pamir-1 and Pamir-2 looked, indeed, cheerfully after a two-day non-stop twisting of the electrical wires with their bare hands with their subsequent wrapping with insulating tape ...

The impossible has been done! By the power of astronauts - just 2-s people! - the station's batteries were connected to the solar panels directly and ... "Salyut-7" began to revive.

The ice melted! "Spring" came to the orbital station. But if there, below, melting ice and snow are absorbed by the earth, then where to get the earth here? There was a lot of water. All forces and all the available rags by the Janibekov and Savvins (including clothes and underwear, which were also used) were thrown into the fight against the “cosmic flood”.

Hooray! 23 June came from the ground "humanitarian aid." Cargo Progress-24 brought a “gift from MCC” - a “container” with an incredible amount of towels. "Mail from Earth" included the necessary equipment for repair, fuel and water supplies. So that the astronauts did not get bored, they were sent ... a couple of issues of the Pravda newspaper.

There were still 100 days of incredibly intense and dangerous work, about which director Klim Shypenko shot the film “Salute-7”. About how it was in the movie, you will learn tomorrow.

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  1. +19
    7 October 2017 07: 29
    I am happy for the actors who got the roles of real heroes, not bandits and clowns.
    1. +14
      7 October 2017 07: 52
      There would be more such films! In our history, there are a lot of wonderful and at the same time bordering on the tragedy of human exploits.
      1. +7
        7 October 2017 10: 34
        but I remember this report ... I was still surprised I thought that the astronauts had a new uniform .... yes, what a beautiful one .... and then it turned out that only before the report the astronauts took off their hats, before that there were hats ...

        in the 37th minute ...
  2. +27
    7 October 2017 07: 45
    What country, such and people. hi
    Indeed, for more than a quarter of a century, we haven’t proved how bad the Soviet Union was.
    1. +5
      7 October 2017 09: 52
      But the USSR was not bad, the problem was that it was ineffective and therefore not viable. That's why it collapsed. The country's leadership did not need to engage in a military race, but in developing and promoting a way to live like the United States - to have a huge budget deficit and 20 trillion. external debt. So the fall of the USSR is not Garby’s fault, but a series of actions by the narrow-minded people who came before him.
      1. +17
        7 October 2017 19: 28
        "the problem was that he was ineffective which means ..."
        ______________
        There is no brain, you can ask older comrades so that you don’t look like a fool.
      2. +2
        13 October 2017 12: 57
        Do not fall apart, but fall apart!
    2. +6
      7 October 2017 11: 07
      Quote: My address
      for over a quarter-century we have not been proved how bad the Soviet Union was.

      Do you follow the evidence? Are you waiting for something? Do you doubt something? Yes, I do not care, I personally do not expect anything from anyone and no evidence is needed, and everything is very clear, the USSR is a great country, the great achievements of which have become the basis of the glorious history of no less great modern Russia.
      Quote: My address
      Which country, such and people

      What people, such a country! And the benefit is that there are fewer people like you.
      Z.Y. Only fools oppose different eras of the same country.
    3. +11
      7 October 2017 11: 17
      Quote: My address
      What country, such and people.

      Of these people would not be nails, and armor-piercing shells would do ...
      1. +7
        7 October 2017 11: 47
        They really accomplished a feat! It's not landing on the moon ... in California, in the pavilions of Hollywood
        1. 0
          7 October 2017 18: 41
          Dress underpants or remove the cross.
          Was this the orbital American station indicated in the article? wassat
          1. +6
            7 October 2017 19: 19
            and this orbital American station, what, did it fall from the moon? laughing PS you, that, without panties go, you don’t have enough money for cowards, or so it’s customary, in your little town party laughing
            1. 0
              8 October 2017 11: 58
              And you look at the mass of this station
              1. +4
                8 October 2017 12: 13
                the "Titanic" has much more mass, but this does not mean that he was on the moon
                1. 0
                  8 October 2017 12: 29
                  This proves the presence of Saturn-5, and if it is available, flying to the moon is not a problem.
                  1. +7
                    8 October 2017 13: 46
                    and where are they? are these Saturn 5? wink The Royal Seven is still flying, and for some reason the Americans are flying Russian engines wink and for some reason, since then, the Americans have never flown to the moon. If they really were on the moon, they could now demonstrate it, but what’s not, what’s not bully
                  2. +5
                    8 October 2017 13: 50
                    and there was nobody on the skyleb except the Americans, so this still needs to be proved that it really existed Yes , and on Soviet salutes and the Russian world who was not there, including the Americans themselves wink
      2. +4
        15 October 2017 00: 35
        Quote: svp67
        Of these people would not be nails, and armor-piercing shells would do ..

        Dear Colleague! soldier
        Agree with the fact that at the time, each of us answered "Yes" to the order "Yes." Even under the condition of a "one-way ticket" ...
        it’s just that due to external factors, many of the “nails” are rusted, well, those that are made of another, completely different steel ...
  3. +6
    7 October 2017 08: 19
    After all, just 6 years ago, an American orbital station collapsed in Australia. But who will recall the miscalculation of the Americans if a similar precedent happens to the USSR?

    but it’s already curious .... I’ve never heard of this story .... but the stories about disasters with Soviet and Russian equipment are much more readily told .... is it customary for us to love to humiliate ourselves?
    1. +2
      7 October 2017 09: 10
      It was a Skylab. There is an interesting documentary there about how they wanted to steal Salute-7 at the Shuttle.
      1. ksp
        0
        7 October 2017 09: 18
        Quote: thinker
        There is an interesting documentary there about how they wanted to steal Salute-7 at the Shuttle.

        I wonder how ?
        Mass Salute -7 19.8 tons
        Weight (without modules) 19,824 tons

        The maximum load returned from orbit by the Shuttle
        The maximum mass of cargo returned from orbit is up to 14,4 tons.

        I'm not talking about dimensions laughing
        Ren TV probably seen enough?
      2. 0
        7 October 2017 09: 32
        Nonsense is complete, not a hypothesis.
        1. +2
          7 October 2017 10: 23
          Well, if the Roskosmos television studio film is nonsense, sorry ...
          The French pilots Patrick Baudry and Jean-Lou Chretien, who had undergone Soviet space training, were identified as part of the American Challenger, which was supposed to be sent to intercept the Salyut. Both knew this station well and were able to dock with it and take control . The Americans could not imagine a better “trophy”.

          https://tvzvezda.ru/news/qhistory/content/2017041
          60822-v3pa.htm
          1. +2
            8 October 2017 12: 32
            The shuttle from Salyut-7 could not dock in principle. Their docking nodes were incompatible. Moreover, neither Baudry, nor Chretien could manage the station, and Baudry was never even at it.
            There is no more truth in the myth of “theft” of “Salute-7” than in the Hollywood “Gravity”. And there, almost all the bullshit.
            1. +1
              8 October 2017 12: 59
              And where is the docking? Watch the movie first.
              1. +2
                8 October 2017 13: 22
                The movie is full of bullshit, like Gravity, like the 9th company, etc.
                There are real TTX "Shuttle", its cargo compartment and TTX "Salyut-7". Well, do not go there, well, nothing at all.
                I will say more, Soviet fighter satellites, no one canceled the IS series spacecraft in the 80s. Any attempt to "encroach on the holy" - the Soviet orbital station would lead to the launch of a combat IS-a ... and the end of the Shuttle with all that it implies.
                And finally, the Shtatovs probably knew about the presence of an automatic 23 mm gun on the Almaz, but they could not guarantee that such a surprise was not available on Salute-7.
                A similar attempt to "steal" our station with a very high probability could serve as Casus belli with thermonuclear consequences.
            2. +1
              8 October 2017 21: 05
              Your Gravity rating is strongly and thoroughly approved. But no further. Firstly, in order to put Salute-7 into the cargo compartment of the shuttle, the station does not need to be controlled, it is necessary to control the shuttle and its manipulator-grip. Secondly, to prepare for the flight to Salyut-7 station for two years and at the same time never to visit its ground-based analogue simulator: do you imagine the training of astronauts? From the pictures and oral stories that were on her? What century do you live in? each crew member, which is the main thing that duplicates every minute, according to the cyclogram, repeating several times runs the entire flight program on the simulators of the ship and station, achieving almost automaticity so that in real flight not to spend extra seconds in a normal situation. And how many more contingencies on earth will come up. And they also need to be worked out to perfection. And in GO of the shuttle Salyut-7 with its 17 with a tail at 4,15 m would enter calmly.
              1. +1
                8 October 2017 22: 23
                Not the fact that it would go into the cargo compartment. Do not forget that the cargo compartment of the shuttle was full of equipment, the same Canadarm, for example. Where to put it? Secondly, in order to capture a Canadarm station, appropriate capture points are needed on the station building. Take the experience of building the ISS, there all modules of the non-Russian segment have such points. The inability to reliably capture the station’s hull can lead to an emergency during an attempt to capture and load, up to damage to the shuttle itself and the impossibility of returning it to Earth.
                Yes, the French worked with the Salute simulator, and Chretien even went out into outer space ... But! Until the mid-90s, Jean-Loup Chretien actively collaborated with Soviet / Russian space programs, and not with the Americans, so the possibility of his participation in such an adventure in the 80s is more than doubtful.
      3. 0
        7 October 2017 11: 14
        Thank you....
        definitely look ....
  4. 0
    7 October 2017 08: 29
    Yeah interesting. But it’s also interesting why, in fact, the Mir station was flooded in 2001 ... They say that a strange mold or some other garbage started up there, moreover, it’s not clear ...
    1. +22
      7 October 2017 09: 01
      A strange mold started not there, but here. Moreover, back in March 1985. And since 1991 generally obscure garbage has begun.
      1. +9
        7 October 2017 09: 38
        Ага. wink On the head of one person, the truth is from his very birth and still lives on it (his head) .... winked
      2. +8
        7 October 2017 10: 52
        Good and capacious comment. A plus.
    2. +6
      7 October 2017 09: 31
      She worked for almost three warranty periods. This is a lot. Further operation threatened the growth of emergency situations, up to catastrophic ones. more than one chief designer will not subscribe to this. In addition, there was simply no money for its further operation.
  5. +4
    7 October 2017 09: 02
    Janibekov is a monster. They don’t do that anymore.
    1. +1
      12 October 2017 17: 01
      I think that they did, are doing and will do. And we will learn about them only after removing the secrecy stamp wink
  6. +2
    7 October 2017 09: 06
    atomic navigation system


    This is unlikely, rather the system was autonomous. And the article is excellent, put an asterisk.
  7. 0
    7 October 2017 09: 59
    About Soyuz 5, you also need to make a film. And in general, how much we did not know.
  8. SMP
    +9
    7 October 2017 12: 10
    What time was it? 1985-86 is a bit like 2017. The cold war is in full swing. The USSR and the United States exchange "courtesies", "symmetrically" sending workers of embassies back home. Diplomatic scandals follow one after the other. And February, 1985, went down in history as the time when the legendary Ronald Reagan Doctrine was proclaimed.
    What is its essence? Everything is simple. States openly began to support any anti-Soviet and anti-communist manifestations throughout the Earth. Nicaragua and Mozambique, Cambodia and Laos, the Afghan Mujahideen and the Angolan UNITA received virtually unlimited support from the “most democratic country in the world” in their struggle with the Soviet Union.


    Today, USA also openly supports any Russophobic sentiment in the world.

    The moral of this fable is that the USA waged a cold war not with communism, not with abstract Bolshevism,
    namely, with Russia, and the Russian people, and now this is a fact.


    So you have to be so narrow-minded d..e..b..i..l..a..m..and for one generation, to show it all to Russian youth, hmm ... fatal support for the color revolution of the liberals is provided laughing
    request I.D.O.T.T. request

    Global corporations, and they without exception, everyone pays taxes in the USA they will destroy Russia under any regime and in any economic system.

    The film is on time, Salute 7 is right as a symbol of the country's salvation.
    1. 0
      16 October 2017 14: 54
      It is possible to save the country only by building a powerful Hyperborea with completely different values, social structure and the meaning of existence instead of thieves' erefii.
  9. +1
    7 October 2017 12: 14
    Quote: thinker
    There is an interesting documentary there about how they wanted to steal Salute-7 at the Shuttle.

    In fact, this is nonsense, replicated for several decades

    Quote: ksp
    I'm not talking about the dimensions of laughing
    Ren TV probably seen enough?

    Well, in terms of dimensions, without PSB, it would fit into the shuttle compartment

    Quote: thinker
    Well, if the Roskosmos television studio film is nonsense, sorry ...

    So what, the television studio can not duplicate nonsense? How else can. Even what you cited as an example, contain an element, albeit not delirium, but distortion
    The French pilots Patrick Baudry and Jean-Lou Chretien, who had undergone Soviet space training, were identified as part of the American Challenger, which was supposed to be sent to intercept the Salyut. Both knew this station well and were able to dock with it and take control . The Americans could not imagine a better “trophy”.

    Okay, still Patrick Baudry, he really was training on the shuttle in the USA. But Jean-Lu Chretien until 1992 was trained in the CPC them. Gagarin, including and on the Buran OS. And only in the early 90s (I don’t remember exactly) was in the USA. A "Salyut-7" brought from orbit in 1987

    Quote: Jurkovs
    About Soyuz 5, you also need to make a film. And in general, how much we did not know.

    A lot of what you need to make films and write books. Soviet cosmonautics has not yet received its chronicler, who would honestly tell about everything. About successes and failures.
  10. +5
    7 October 2017 19: 23
    Dzhanibekov, it seems, flew purely in the interests of Moscow Region, didn't he? Well, except in this case.
  11. +3
    7 October 2017 19: 27
    come on all of you ...
    And so it is clear that the guys are heroes with a capital letter ...
    It’s not shit up to you to absorb the absorbing elements from round to square to change ... A-13, if anyone does not know .. So then in Hollywood ...
    Just imagine ... behind the wall there is vacuum and space cold, and the necessary spare parts will come in at least a week or two ...
    1. +8
      7 October 2017 19: 33
      Quote: Ace of Diamonds
      vacuum and space cold are behind the wall, and the necessary spare parts will come in at least a week or two

      yeah ... and nothing suitable at hand that is simply lying on the landfill on Earth ... they somehow explained to us that "a kilogram in orbit is a kilogram of gold on Earth" ...
      And the situation, then you described, is called in one word with the letter "jo". I can’t continue, otherwise they’ll ascribe the mat laughing
      But - I really understand, I have been in such (similar) situations on Earth. Coldly. Yok Grub. And there is no instrument ... and without it you won’t twist a shish ...
      1. +1
        11 October 2017 11: 36
        I will tell a real case ..
        It was winter in the taiga near Irkutsk ...
        It was urgent to overtake KRAZ WITHOUT CABIN at night for repairs for 20 km. AT NIGHT!!! IN FROST !!!
        They fastened a 6-meter log to the frame, hung a bucket on it with a burning solarium instead of headlights, and still overtook ..
  12. 0
    7 October 2017 19: 41
    Quote: Doliva63
    Dzhanibekov, it seems, flew purely in the interests of Moscow Region, didn't he? Well, except in this case.

    Always then flew primarily in the interests of Moscow Region. And CPC them. Gagarin was a military unit. It was civilian astronauts who were always "in the appendage" to the military.
    Even the station itself was originally designed as a military one, and only then it was transferred to the NPO Energia, where it became "civilian"
  13. 0
    7 October 2017 19: 54
    Quote: Snail N9
    Yeah interesting. But it’s also interesting why, in fact, the Mir station was flooded in 2001 ... They say that a strange mold or some other garbage started up there, moreover, it’s not clear ...

    Not a weird mold, but just a black mold. They could not defeat her and because of this they flooded the station.
    1. 0
      16 October 2017 14: 56
      The station was flooded to please the USA
  14. +1
    7 October 2017 22: 20
    If the film on the screens told the story of a station with a name, an example of Baikal-7, it would be better, and that farce (it’s clear that the film is a consumer’s show), which was not seen in trailers and descriptions, displays the feat of our astronauts. The work of the astronaut is hard work, very risky, often tedious (which is also very difficult), which you can’t make a film about ... Recently I reviewed “Return from Orbit” - the film is less spectacular (by today's standards), but more believable and interesting. good hi IMHO
  15. 0
    8 October 2017 11: 46
    Quote: da Vinci
    If the film on the screens told the story of a station with a name, an example of Baikal-7, it would be better, and that farce (it’s clear that the film is a consumer’s show), which was not seen in trailers and descriptions, displays the feat of our astronauts. The work of the astronaut is hard work, very risky, often tedious (which is also very difficult), which you can’t make a film about ... Recently I reviewed “Return from Orbit” - the film is less spectacular (by today's standards), but more believable and interesting. good hi IMHO

    First you need to watch a movie (it's me about myself) to make up your own opinion about it. Because sometimes you watch the trailer, the movie is great. You start to look - shit-shit. Therefore, I can not say about the film based on the description and trailers.
    As for the impossibility of making a film about astronauts, which really shows the complexity and sometimes monotony of this profession, there's nothing to be done. It's also very difficult to shoot about scouts so that the film balances on the verge of tediousness and action. To do this, you need to be a brilliant director. So - we will see
    1. 0
      8 October 2017 22: 19
      Quote: Old26
      sometimes you watch the trailer - the movie is great

      You are right. Considering what movie is being shot now, there may be such a thing. The same “Viking” is an example of this. I’d better first find out how people respond to the film.
  16. 0
    8 October 2017 12: 36
    Yeah, but still it is spinning. Cosmonautics is needed, how can one not finance such an industry. For space, the future. "Who is in orbit is on top" -Konstanty Svet-Salamatov V.
  17. 0
    8 October 2017 13: 32
    The price of the information of the film "Battle for the Salute". The accident happened at the beginning of the 85th. According to the authors of this film, by this time the station had been flying for eight years. Where did she fly so much time in the delusional fantasies of the authors? If it was launched into orbit only in the 82nd. She did not fly by three years at the time of the accident. Three main expeditions and four expedition visits before the accident.
  18. 0
    8 October 2017 13: 50
    The authors of the "Battle for the Salute" "burn with facts - the size of the cargo compartment of the Shuttle is 14x6 meters. In fact - 18,3x4,6 meters.
    The shuttle supposedly displays 27 tons, in fact - 24,4 tons, and then with an inclination of the orbit of 28 degrees, with an increase in the inclination of the orbit, the mass of the aircraft drops up to 12 tons.
    Salyut-7 has an orbital inclination of 51,6 degrees. The length of the station is 14,4 meters, the maximum diameter is 4,15 meters. And this is without antennas and solar panels. What to break them?
  19. +3
    8 October 2017 15: 31
    Quote: Cannonball
    The price of the information of the film "Battle for the Salute". The accident happened at the beginning of the 85th. According to the authors of this film, by this time the station had been flying for eight years. Where did she fly so much time in the delusional fantasies of the authors? If it was launched into orbit only in the 82nd. She did not fly by three years at the time of the accident. Three main expeditions and four expedition visits before the accident.

    In 1985 year could fly 8 years only SALUT-6which was launched in 1977.

    Quote: Cannonball
    The shuttle from Salyut-7 could not dock in principle. Their docking nodes were incompatible.

    That's right. This became possible only after the docking module was docked to Mir


    Quote: Cannonball
    Moreover, neither Baudry, nor Chretien could manage the station, and Baudry was never even at it.

    In principle, they could. Both Baudry and Chretien underwent training, including and at the Don-17K training complex (simulator of the Salyut station). Theoretically could. However, even in this "legend" about the possibility of "theft" of the SALUT-7 station, the role of the French astronauts, more precisely the French astronaut Bodry, is completely incomprehensible. Was he supposed to fly from the shuttle to the station and control it? The "dead" station? Even if, purely theoretically, the Americans would try to do this, then the shuttle manipulator. And knowledge and management skills of the station at this stage would not be needed.

    Quote: Cannonball
    Salyut-7 has an orbital inclination of 51,6 degrees. The length of the station is 14,4 meters, the maximum diameter is 4,15 meters. And this is without antennas and solar panels. What to break them?

    Yes break

    Quote: Cannonball
    The shuttle supposedly displays 27 tons, in fact - 24,4 tons, and then with an inclination of the orbit of 28 degrees, with an increase in the inclination of the orbit, the mass of the aircraft drops up to 12 tons.

    In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)
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      8 October 2017 15: 41
      Quote: Old26
      In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)



      Hello ... did the Shuttle even make a landing with such a load?
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    8 October 2017 16: 43
    Quote: Gransasso
    Quote: Old26
    In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)


    Hello ... did the Shuttle even make a landing with such a load?

    Of course not. I would break the landing gear and myself to smithereens.
    Since, as far as I remember, the load on the equatorial orbit was never displayed, the load was reduced to 24 tons, and the landing weight to 12-14 tons
  21. 0
    8 October 2017 19: 15
    A great feat, worthy people.
  22. 0
    8 October 2017 22: 32
    Quote: Old26
    In 1985, only SALUT-8, which was launched in 6, could fly for 1977 years.

    Yes, it could have been, but in manned mode it flew only 4 years and was flooded on the fifth, in the 82nd.
    Quote: Old26
    In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)
    But Salyut-7 was not in equatorial orbit. In addition, lowering the orbit results in less load than lifting it into orbit.
  23. 0
    9 October 2017 06: 23
    This is the pearl: "atomic navigation system" laughing

    Judging about the trailer, nothing good can be expected - balls of water, while it actually froze all over, and when it thawed, there was by no means an excess of it; imbalance of heroes (where did psychologists look, eh?).

    A manual on the topic: how categorically it is impossible to dock.
  24. 0
    9 October 2017 09: 48
    Quote: Cannonball
    Yes, it could have been, but in manned mode it flew only 4 years and was flooded on the fifth, in the 82nd.

    So I wrote: COULD BE. (by start time). And so everything is correct. And in general, in the USSR there was the only case when two stations flew - this is SALUT-7 and the WORLD. In all other cases, the algorithm was approximately as follows - one station stops working - the second starts
  25. +1
    9 October 2017 10: 12
    Quote: albert
    Quote: Old26
    sometimes you watch the trailer - the movie is great

    You are right. Considering what movie is being shot now, there may be such a thing. The same “Viking” is an example of this. I’d better first find out how people respond to the film.

    By the way, yes. The trailer was up to standard. And those who watched the film spat. He never went away.

    Quote: Cannonball
    But Salyut-7 was not in equatorial orbit. In addition, lowering the orbit results in less load than lifting it into orbit.

    Yes, fundamentally. The greater the inclination of the orbit (for the Shuttle with its starting point), the less load it will put into orbit. And it could practically take off 2 times less load (approximately) than remove

    Quote: Gormengast
    Judging about the trailer, nothing good can be expected - balls of water, while it actually froze all over, and when it thawed, there was by no means an excess of it; imbalance of heroes (where did psychologists look, eh?).

    Cinema, however. She certainly froze at the time of arrival. When thawed - the problem began, where to put it. As for the imbalance (the film was not watched, therefore, only IMHO) - even a selected and soldered crew is not guaranteed under extreme conditions from any manifestations of imbalance. It was impossible to predict everything and in some situations disruptions could take place.
    Moreover, each person reacts to extreme differently. In the memoirs of Makarov and his unsuccessful flight with Lazarev, when a pitch buildup began at the withdrawal stage and the ship shot off the SAS there is such an episode. The ship has already separated from the station, overload is growing, the commander is noticeably nervous. And there is something. The flight failed, emergency department, no one knows where to "flop." At this time, Makarov calmly replies to some remark by the commander about the overload: “It's not the biggest one yet, but in n seconds it will be XX.” The commander, according to him, stared at him in surprise and asked: “why are you took "? What was followed by the answer with a certain degree of pride:" I considered it myself. "The tension was removed. So anything could be
  26. +2
    9 October 2017 14: 55
    I am sincerely glad that the Goskino of the Russian Federation is organizing the production of these films about REAL HEROES! Most recently, the film "Time of the First" was released about the real first exit of man into outer space. And finally, the general public is told what only space-related specialists knew. The fact that people in space walked on the verge of life-death with imperfect technology. And the Heroes of the Union were given for real feats.
    .......
    GLORY TO THE SOVIET COSMONAUTS, HELLO AND ALREADY GONE!
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      9 October 2017 19: 49
      Is it like sarcasm? "Time of the First" is a rare sediment, which has a very indirect relation to real events. "Salute-7" did not look, but I am afraid that he is the same.
  27. 0
    12 October 2017 16: 46
    I watched the movie, not bad, but rather filmed "based on", maybe that’s why the astronauts have different names and this is bad, because even I (keen on astronautics) confused the name of the flight engineer when I left the hall and called Solovyov instead of the Savins. And what can we say then about youth. Well, the top military leadership is shown absolutely in the Hollywood stamp. and so beautiful, dynamic
  28. 0
    13 October 2017 00: 52
    It's a lot better than making slut movies. Yes
  29. 0
    13 October 2017 12: 49
    The film is gorgeous. And if you look at it and also in 3d it’s just bewitching. The idea was first-rate how small a person is in comparison with nature, the Earth and the Universe. And how great (at that time, at least) is the sense of duty to the Motherland!
  30. 0
    15 October 2017 00: 16
    Quote: seal78
    Is it like sarcasm? "Time of the First" is a rare sediment, which has a very indirect relation to real events.

    What is indirect related. Not without flaws - the TASS message about the death was not clear, although in reality this was not. The rest is almost one in one (at least flight)