Orbital station "Salyut-7"

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[andrewkor]

I am happy for the actors who got the roles of real heroes, not bandits and clowns.

[210ox]

There would be more such films! In our history, there are a lot of wonderful and at the same time bordering on the tragedy of human exploits.

[d ^ Amir]

but I remember this report ... I was still surprised I thought that the astronauts had a new uniform .... yes, what a beautiful one .... and then it turned out that only before the report the astronauts took off their hats, before that there were hats ...

in the 37th minute ...

[My address]

What country, such and people.
Indeed, for more than a quarter of a century, we haven’t proved how bad the Soviet Union was.

[arkadiyssk]

And the USSR wasn't bad, the problem was that it was ineffective and therefore unviable. That's why it collapsed. The country's leadership should have been engaged not in a military race, but in developing and promoting a way to live like the USA - to have a gigantic budget deficit and a 20 trillion foreign debt. So the fall of the USSR is not Garbi's fault, but a series of actions by narrow-minded people who came before him.

[Doliva63]

"the problem was that he was ineffective which means ..."
______________
There is no brain, you can ask older comrades so that you don’t look like a fool.

[African]

Do not fall apart, but fall apart!

[SPACE]

Quote: My address

for over a quarter-century we have not been proved how bad the Soviet Union was.

Are you following the evidence? Are you waiting for something? Do you doubt something? I don't care, personally I don't expect anything from anyone and I don't need any evidence, everything is crystal clear, the USSR is a great country, whose great achievements became the basis of the glorious history of the no less great modern Russia.

Quote: My address

Which country, such and people

What kind of people, such is the country! And it's good that there are fewer people like you.
Z.Y. Only fools oppose different eras of the same country.

[svp67]

Quote: My address

What country, such and people.

Of these people would not be nails, and armor-piercing shells would do ...

[San Sanych]

They really accomplished a feat! It's not landing on the moon ... in California, in the pavilions of Hollywood

[Blackmokona]

Dress underpants or remove the cross.
Was this the orbital American station indicated in the article?

[San Sanych]

and this orbital American station, what, did it fall from the moon? PS you, that, without panties go, you don’t have enough money for cowards, or so it’s customary, in your little town party

[Blackmokona]

And you look at the mass of this station

[San Sanych]

the "Titanic" has much more mass, but this does not mean that he was on the moon

[Blackmokona]

This proves the presence of Saturn-5, and if it is available, flying to the moon is not a problem.

[San Sanych]

and where are they? are these Saturn 5? The Royal Seven is still flying, and for some reason the Americans are flying Russian engines and for some reason, since then, the Americans have never flown to the moon. If they really were on the moon, they could now demonstrate it, but what’s not, what’s not

[San Sanych]

and there was nobody on the skyleb except the Americans, so this still needs to be proved that it really existed , and on Soviet salutes and the Russian world who was not there, including the Americans themselves

[Sling cutter]

Quote: svp67

Of these people would not be nails, and armor-piercing shells would do ..

Dear Colleague!
Agree with the fact that at the time, each of us answered "Yes" to the order "Yes." Even under the condition of a "one-way ticket" ...
it’s just that due to external factors, many of the “nails” are rusted, well, those that are made of another, completely different steel ...

[DanSabaka]

After all, just 6 years ago, an American orbital station collapsed in Australia. But who will recall the miscalculation of the Americans if a similar precedent happens to the USSR?

but this is already interesting... I've never heard of this story... but stories about disasters with Soviet and Russian technology are told much more willingly... that's how it's done here... we like to humiliate ourselves?

[thinker]

It was a Skylab. There is an interesting documentary there about how they wanted to steal Salute-7 at the Shuttle.

[ksp]

Quote: thinker

There is an interesting documentary there about how they wanted to steal Salute-7 at the Shuttle.

I wonder how ?
Mass Salute -7 19.8 tons

Weight (without modules) 19,824 tons

The maximum load returned from orbit by the Shuttle

The maximum mass of cargo returned from orbit is up to 14,4 tons.

I'm not talking about dimensions
Ren TV probably seen enough?

[Cannonball]

Nonsense is complete, not a hypothesis.

[thinker]

Well, if the Roskosmos television studio film is nonsense, sorry ...

The French pilots Patrick Baudry and Jean-Lou Chretien, who had undergone Soviet space training, were identified as part of the American Challenger, which was supposed to be sent to intercept the Salyut. Both knew this station well and were able to dock with it and take control . The Americans could not imagine a better “trophy”.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/qhistory/content/2017041
60822-v3pa.htm

[Cannonball]

The shuttle from Salyut-7 could not dock in principle. Their docking nodes were incompatible. Moreover, neither Baudry, nor Chretien could manage the station, and Baudry was never even at it.
There is no more truth in the myth of “theft” of “Salute-7” than in the Hollywood “Gravity”. And there, almost all the bullshit.

[thinker]

And where is the docking? Watch the movie first.

[Cannonball]

The movie is full of bullshit, like Gravity, like the 9th company, etc.
There are real TTX "Shuttle", its cargo compartment and TTX "Salyut-7". Well, do not go there, well, nothing at all.
I will say more, Soviet fighter satellites, no one canceled the IS series spacecraft in the 80s. Any attempt to "encroach on the holy" - the Soviet orbital station would lead to the launch of a combat IS-a ... and the end of the Shuttle with all that it implies.
And finally, the Shtatovs probably knew about the presence of an automatic 23 mm gun on the Almaz, but they could not guarantee that such a surprise was not available on Salute-7.
A similar attempt to "steal" our station with a very high probability could serve as Casus belli with thermonuclear consequences.

[Filxnumx]

I approve of your assessment of Gravity categorically and completely. But then there is the opposite. Firstly, in order to put Salyut-7 in the shuttle's cargo bay, you don't need to control the station, you need to control the shuttle and its manipulator-capture. Secondly, you have to prepare for a flight to the Salyut-7 station for two years and never visit its ground-based equivalent-simulator: is this how you imagine cosmonaut training? From pictures and oral stories of those who have been there? What century are you living in? Each crew member, both the main and the backup, runs through the entire flight program on the ship's and station's simulators every minute, according to a cyclogram, repeating several times, achieving almost automaticity, so as not to waste extra seconds in a normal situation in a real flight. And how many more non-standard ones will they come up with on the ground. And they also need to be worked out to perfection. And the Salyut-7 shuttle's 17-plus meters would have entered the 4,15 m GO without any problems.

[Cannonball]

Not the fact that it would go into the cargo compartment. Do not forget that the cargo compartment of the shuttle was full of equipment, the same Canadarm, for example. Where to put it? Secondly, in order to capture a Canadarm station, appropriate capture points are needed on the station building. Take the experience of building the ISS, there all modules of the non-Russian segment have such points. The inability to reliably capture the station’s hull can lead to an emergency during an attempt to capture and load, up to damage to the shuttle itself and the impossibility of returning it to Earth.
Yes, the French worked with the Salute simulator, and Chretien even went out into outer space ... But! Until the mid-90s, Jean-Loup Chretien actively collaborated with Soviet / Russian space programs, and not with the Americans, so the possibility of his participation in such an adventure in the 80s is more than doubtful.

[DanSabaka]

Thank you....
definitely look ....

[Snail N9]

Yeah interesting. But it’s also interesting why, in fact, the Mir station was flooded in 2001 ... They say that a strange mold or some other garbage started up there, moreover, it’s not clear ...

[wadim13]

A strange mold started not there, but here. Moreover, back in March 1985. And since 1991 generally obscure garbage has begun.

[Snail N9]

Ага. On the head of one person, the truth is from his very birth and still lives on it (his head) ....

[Okolotochny]

Good and capacious comment. A plus.

[Cannonball]

She worked for almost three warranty periods. This is a lot. Further operation threatened the growth of emergency situations, up to catastrophic ones. more than one chief designer will not subscribe to this. In addition, there was simply no money for its further operation.

[sergo1914]

Janibekov is a monster. They don’t do that anymore.

[Glory to Berkut]

I think that they did, are doing and will do. And we will learn about them only after removing the secrecy stamp

[ivanovbg]

atomic navigation system

This is unlikely, rather the system was autonomous. And the article is excellent, put an asterisk.

[Jurkovs]

About Soyuz 5, you also need to make a film. And in general, how much we did not know.

[SMP]

What time was it? 1985-86 is a bit like 2017. The cold war is in full swing. The USSR and the United States exchange "courtesies", "symmetrically" sending workers of embassies back home. Diplomatic scandals follow one after the other. And February, 1985, went down in history as the time when the legendary Ronald Reagan Doctrine was proclaimed.
What is its essence? Everything is simple. States openly began to support any anti-Soviet and anti-communist manifestations throughout the Earth. Nicaragua and Mozambique, Cambodia and Laos, the Afghan Mujahideen and the Angolan UNITA received virtually unlimited support from the “most democratic country in the world” in their struggle with the Soviet Union.

Today, USA also openly supports any Russophobic sentiment in the world.

The moral of this fable is that the USA waged a cold war not with communism, not with abstract Bolshevism,
namely, with Russia, and the Russian people, and now this is a fact.

You have to be such narrow-minded d..e..b..i..l..a..m..i to show all this to the Russian youth in the course of one generation, m..f.e... fatal support for the color revolution of liberals is ensured
I.D.O.T.T.

Global corporations, and they without exception, everyone pays taxes in the USA they will destroy Russia under any regime and in any economic system.

The film is on time, Salute 7 is right as a symbol of the country's salvation.

[Michael HORNET]

It is possible to save the country only by building a powerful Hyperborea with completely different values, social structure and the meaning of existence instead of thieves' erefii.

[Old26]

Quote: thinker

There is an interesting documentary there about how they wanted to steal Salute-7 at the Shuttle.

In fact, this is nonsense, replicated for several decades

Quote: ksp

I'm not talking about the dimensions of laughing
Ren TV probably seen enough?

Well, in terms of dimensions, without PSB, it would fit into the shuttle compartment

Quote: thinker

Well, if the Roskosmos television studio film is nonsense, sorry ...

So what, the television studio can not duplicate nonsense? How else can. Even what you cited as an example, contain an element, albeit not delirium, but distortion

The French pilots Patrick Baudry and Jean-Lou Chretien, who had undergone Soviet space training, were identified as part of the American Challenger, which was supposed to be sent to intercept the Salyut. Both knew this station well and were able to dock with it and take control . The Americans could not imagine a better “trophy”.

Okay, still Patrick Baudry, he really was training on the shuttle in the USA. But Jean-Lu Chretien until 1992 was trained in the CPC them. Gagarin, including and on the Buran OS. And only in the early 90s (I don’t remember exactly) was in the USA. A "Salyut-7" brought from orbit in 1987

Quote: Jurkovs

About Soyuz 5, you also need to make a film. And in general, how much we did not know.

A lot of what you need to make films and write books. Soviet cosmonautics has not yet received its chronicler, who would honestly tell about everything. About successes and failures.

[Doliva63]

Dzhanibekov, it seems, flew strictly in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, right? Well, except for this case.

[Ace Tambourine]

come on all of you ...
And so it is clear that the guys are heroes with a capital letter ...
It’s not shit up to you to absorb the absorbing elements from round to square to change ... A-13, if anyone does not know .. So then in Hollywood ...
Just imagine ... behind the wall there is vacuum and space cold, and the necessary spare parts will come in at least a week or two ...

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Ace of Diamonds

vacuum and space cold are behind the wall, and the necessary spare parts will come in at least a week or two

yeah ... and nothing suitable at hand that is simply lying on the landfill on Earth ... they somehow explained to us that "a kilogram in orbit is a kilogram of gold on Earth" ...
And the situation, then you described, is called in one word with the letter "jo". I can’t continue, otherwise they’ll ascribe the mat
But - I really understand, I have been in such (similar) situations on Earth. Coldly. Yok Grub. And there is no instrument ... and without it you won’t twist a shish ...

[Ace Tambourine]

I will tell a real case ..
It was winter in the taiga near Irkutsk ...
It was urgent to overtake KRAZ WITHOUT CABIN at night for repairs for 20 km. AT NIGHT!!! IN FROST !!!
They fastened a 6-meter log to the frame, hung a bucket on it with a burning solarium instead of headlights, and still overtook ..

[Old26]

Quote: Doliva63

Dzhanibekov, it seems, flew strictly in the interests of the Ministry of Defense, right? Well, except for this case.

Always then flew primarily in the interests of Moscow Region. And CPC them. Gagarin was a military unit. It was civilian astronauts who were always "in the appendage" to the military.
Even the station itself was originally designed as a military one, and only then it was transferred to the NPO Energia, where it became "civilian"

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Snail N9

Yeah interesting. But it’s also interesting why, in fact, the Mir station was flooded in 2001 ... They say that a strange mold or some other garbage started up there, moreover, it’s not clear ...

Not a weird mold, but just a black mold. They could not defeat her and because of this they flooded the station.

[Michael HORNET]

The station was flooded to please the USA

[da Vinci]

If the film coming out on screens told a story about some station with a name, for example "Baikal-7", it would be better, but that farce (it is clear that the film is a consumer show), which I saw in trailers and descriptions, does not reflect the feat of our cosmonauts. The work of an astronaut is hard work, very risky, often boring (which is also very hard), about which you can't make a film... Recently I re-watched "Return from Orbit" - the film is less spectacular (by today's standards), but more believable and interesting. IMHO

[Old26]

Quote: da Vinci

If the film coming out on screens told a story about some station with a name, for example "Baikal-7", it would be better, but that farce (it is clear that the film is a consumer show), which I saw in trailers and descriptions, does not reflect the feat of our cosmonauts. The work of an astronaut is hard work, very risky, often boring (which is also very hard), about which you can't make a film... Recently I re-watched "Return from Orbit" - the film is less spectacular (by today's standards), but more believable and interesting. IMHO

First you need to watch a movie (it's me about myself) to make up your own opinion about it. Because sometimes you watch the trailer, the movie is great. You start to look - shit-shit. Therefore, I can not say about the film based on the description and trailers.
As for the impossibility of making a film about astronauts, which really shows the complexity and sometimes monotony of this profession, there's nothing to be done. It's also very difficult to shoot about scouts so that the film balances on the verge of tediousness and action. To do this, you need to be a brilliant director. So - we will see

[albert]

Quote: Old26

sometimes you watch the trailer - the movie is great

You are right. Considering the kind of movies they make now, it could be like that. The same "Viking" is an example of that. I'd better find out first how people respond to the movie.

[privateer2000]

Yeah, but still it is spinning. Cosmonautics is needed, how can one not finance such an industry. For space, the future. "Who is in orbit is on top" -Konstanty Svet-Salamatov V.

[Cannonball]

The price of the information of the film "Battle for the Salute". The accident happened at the beginning of the 85th. According to the authors of this film, by this time the station had been flying for eight years. Where did she fly so much time in the delusional fantasies of the authors? If it was launched into orbit only in the 82nd. She did not fly by three years at the time of the accident. Three main expeditions and four expedition visits before the accident.

[Cannonball]

The authors of the "Battle for the Salute" "burn with facts - the size of the cargo compartment of the Shuttle is 14x6 meters. In fact - 18,3x4,6 meters.
The shuttle supposedly displays 27 tons, in fact - 24,4 tons, and then with an inclination of the orbit of 28 degrees, with an increase in the inclination of the orbit, the mass of the aircraft drops up to 12 tons.
Salyut-7 has an orbital inclination of 51,6 degrees. The length of the station is 14,4 meters, the maximum diameter is 4,15 meters. And this is without antennas and solar panels. What to break them?

[Old26]

Quote: Cannonball

The price of the information of the film "Battle for the Salute". The accident happened at the beginning of the 85th. According to the authors of this film, by this time the station had been flying for eight years. Where did she fly so much time in the delusional fantasies of the authors? If it was launched into orbit only in the 82nd. She did not fly by three years at the time of the accident. Three main expeditions and four expedition visits before the accident.

In 1985 year could fly 8 years only SALUT-6which was launched in 1977.

Quote: Cannonball

The shuttle from Salyut-7 could not dock in principle. Their docking nodes were incompatible.

That's right. This became possible only after the docking module was docked to Mir

Quote: Cannonball

Moreover, neither Baudry, nor Chretien could manage the station, and Baudry was never even at it.

In principle, they could. Both Baudry and Chretien underwent training, including and at the Don-17K training complex (simulator of the Salyut station). Theoretically could. However, even in this "legend" about the possibility of "theft" of the SALUT-7 station, the role of the French astronauts, more precisely the French astronaut Bodry, is completely incomprehensible. Was he supposed to fly from the shuttle to the station and control it? The "dead" station? Even if, purely theoretically, the Americans would try to do this, then the shuttle manipulator. And knowledge and management skills of the station at this stage would not be needed.

Quote: Cannonball

Salyut-7 has an orbital inclination of 51,6 degrees. The length of the station is 14,4 meters, the maximum diameter is 4,15 meters. And this is without antennas and solar panels. What to break them?

Yes break

Quote: Cannonball

The shuttle supposedly displays 27 tons, in fact - 24,4 tons, and then with an inclination of the orbit of 28 degrees, with an increase in the inclination of the orbit, the mass of the aircraft drops up to 12 tons.

In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)

[Gransasso]

Quote: Old26

In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)

Hello ... did the Shuttle even make a landing with such a load?

[Old26]

Quote: Gransasso

Quote: Old26

In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)

Hello ... did the Shuttle even make a landing with such a load?

Of course not. I would break the landing gear and myself to smithereens.
Since, as far as I remember, the load on the equatorial orbit was never displayed, the load was reduced to 24 tons, and the landing weight to 12-14 tons

[free]

A great feat, worthy people.

[Cannonball]

Quote: Old26

In 1985, only SALUT-8, which was launched in 6, could fly for 1977 years.

Yes, it could have been, but in manned mode it flew only 4 years and was flooded on the fifth, in the 82nd.

Quote: Old26

In the TTZ, the shuttle was exactly 27 tons and it could put 27 tons into equatorial orbit (i.e. 0 degrees)

But Salyut-7 was not in equatorial orbit. In addition, lowering the orbit results in less load than lifting it into orbit.

[Gormenghast]

This is the pearl: "atomic navigation system"

Judging about the trailer, nothing good can be expected - balls of water, while it actually froze all over, and when it thawed, there was by no means an excess of it; imbalance of heroes (where did psychologists look, eh?).

A manual on the topic: how categorically it is impossible to dock.

[Old26]

Quote: Cannonball

Yes, it could have been, but in manned mode it flew only 4 years and was flooded on the fifth, in the 82nd.

So I wrote: COULD BE. (by start time). And so everything is correct. And in general, in the USSR there was the only case when two stations flew - this is SALUT-7 and the WORLD. In all other cases, the algorithm was approximately as follows - one station stops working - the second starts

[Old26]

Quote: albert

Quote: Old26

sometimes you watch the trailer - the movie is great

You are right. Considering the kind of movies they make now, it could be like that. The same "Viking" is an example of that. I'd better find out first how people respond to the movie.

By the way, yes. The trailer was up to standard. And those who watched the film spat. He never went away.

Quote: Cannonball

But Salyut-7 was not in equatorial orbit. In addition, lowering the orbit results in less load than lifting it into orbit.

Yes, fundamentally. The greater the inclination of the orbit (for the Shuttle with its starting point), the less load it will put into orbit. And it could practically take off 2 times less load (approximately) than remove

Quote: Gormengast

Judging about the trailer, nothing good can be expected - balls of water, while it actually froze all over, and when it thawed, there was by no means an excess of it; imbalance of heroes (where did psychologists look, eh?).

Cinema, however. She certainly froze at the time of arrival. When thawed - the problem began, where to put it. As for the imbalance (the film was not watched, therefore, only IMHO) - even a selected and soldered crew is not guaranteed under extreme conditions from any manifestations of imbalance. It was impossible to predict everything and in some situations disruptions could take place.
Moreover, each person reacts to extreme differently. In the memoirs of Makarov and his unsuccessful flight with Lazarev, when a pitch buildup began at the withdrawal stage and the ship shot off the SAS there is such an episode. The ship has already separated from the station, overload is growing, the commander is noticeably nervous. And there is something. The flight failed, emergency department, no one knows where to "flop." At this time, Makarov calmly replies to some remark by the commander about the overload: “It's not the biggest one yet, but in n seconds it will be XX.” The commander, according to him, stared at him in surprise and asked: “why are you took "? What was followed by the answer with a certain degree of pride:" I considered it myself. "The tension was removed. So anything could be

[xomaNN]

I am sincerely glad that the Goskino of the Russian Federation is organizing the production of these films about REAL HEROES! Most recently, the film "Time of the First" was released about the real first exit of man into outer space. And finally, the general public is told what only space-related specialists knew. The fact that people in space walked on the verge of life-death with imperfect technology. And the Heroes of the Union were given for real feats.
.......
GLORY TO THE SOVIET COSMONAUTS, HELLO AND ALREADY GONE!

[seal78]

Is it like sarcasm? "Time of the First" is a rare sediment, which has a very indirect relation to real events. "Salute-7" did not look, but I am afraid that he is the same.

[lazy]

I watched the movie, not bad, but rather filmed "based on", maybe that’s why the astronauts have different names and this is bad, because even I (keen on astronautics) confused the name of the flight engineer when I left the hall and called Solovyov instead of the Savins. And what can we say then about youth. Well, the top military leadership is shown absolutely in the Hollywood stamp. and so beautiful, dynamic

[Protos]

It's a lot better than making slut movies.

[Bibliographer]

The film is gorgeous. And if you look at it and also in 3d it’s just bewitching. The idea was first-rate how small a person is in comparison with nature, the Earth and the Universe. And how great (at that time, at least) is the sense of duty to the Motherland!

[Old26]

Quote: seal78

Is it like sarcasm? "Time of the First" is a rare sediment, which has a very indirect relation to real events.

What is indirect related. Not without flaws - the TASS message about the death was not clear, although in reality this was not. The rest is almost one in one (at least flight)