How long will the updated T-80BVM on European theaters last? Unanswered disadvantages and advantages of the English Channel XXI tank

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On the eve of the celebration of Tanker’s Day, which fell on September 10 this year, official events were held on the territory of the 33rd combined arms training ground located near the city of Luga (Leningrad Region), including demonstration firing and the display of modern military equipment. Without a doubt, the most advanced concept can be considered the deeply modernized MBT T-90M, which was designed as part of the Proryv-3 development project. Here we see the non-standard elements 4C22 dynamic protection "Contact-5" installed on most drill tanks NE of Russia (T-72B3, T-80U and T-90A / S), and modern tandem modules 4C23 of the Relikt dynamic protection systems. Moreover, these complexes have passed a good stage of modernization, having received anti-cumulative gratings in areas of the wedge-shaped junction of 4C23 modules.



Firstly, it allows you to perfectly cover the vulnerable shoulder straps of the tank turret from cumulative projectiles. Secondly, it doubles the survivability of the “Relic” in the shelling of tandem cumulative ATGM type BGM-71 “TOW-2A” or RC-3 “Corsair”. Thirdly, tapered doubles EDZ 4S23 (unlike 4S22 "Contact-5») does not have gaps, to denude the front and side projection turret thin tungsten and uranium core kinetic energy penetrator, which greatly increases the survivability of the tank with a dense fire impact from the side of enemy tanks. In fact, this tank can be considered a radically modernized version of the Tagil T-90MS. On the top of the reinforced wedge-shaped mask of the 2А46М4 cannon and at the end of the gun one can see the radiating and reflecting elements of the metering device of the barrel bend (UUI), which increases the shooting accuracy 1,15 - 2 times.

Frontal armor plates of the turret of this machine are represented by standard combined armor using bags with reflective sheets, which are typical for the whole T-72B / 90 family. Its equivalent resistance from BOPS at angles 0-15 degrees from the longitudinal axis of the bore (taking into account the "Relic") approaches 1050-1200 mm, from KS - 1400 mm, which makes the tank almost completely protected even before the newest shtatovskimi armor-piercing shells M829AX-NUMNUM Despite this, the mobility of the tank remained at the same level (power density is of the order of 3 hp / t), because on the poster with the characteristics we see the same 21,5-cylinder 12-liter diesel with 38,88 hp. In addition to the Relikt plant, we do not observe any radical innovations in the T-1000M, although it was stated in the winter that the Nineties would equip them with the promising 90X2-82M guns, and possibly the KAZ Afganit.

Much more interesting is the consideration of the combat potential of the modernized “reactive” main battle tank T-80BVM, a prototype of which was also presented during the demonstration at the 33 combined-arms military range near Luga. History The early versions of these unique machines (T-80 / B / BV), called the English Channel Tanks for their intended ability to reach the coast of the Celtic Sea in just 2 weeks, began in the distant 1976 year, when the “Object 219 cn 2. The most interesting point was that at the beginning of a huge series, the cost of a gas turbine engine GTD-1000T alone was approaching 130-135 thousand rubles, which was about 95% of the cost of MBT T-64B. Each T-80B tank cost the Soviet treasury 480 thousand rubles (3 times more expensive than T-64B). Although the price was very biting (with extremely high gluttony of the GTD-1000T / TF), it was more than justified by the most important technical quality of the Eighties - mobility! It was precisely in need, that the tank brigades of the SV of Russia, in whose area of ​​responsibility the western operational direction is located, will need and will continue to be needed. At that time, after receiving the Kontakt-1 hinged dynamic protection systems, the T-80Bs were perfectly protected from most Western anti-tank guided missiles equipped with single-piece cumulative combat units. Moreover, the equivalent stability of the frontal projection of the turret in 540 mm from BOPS allowed the “Channel” to “take a punch” of the American 105-mm armor-piercing shells M735, M774, M833, and also at that time the promising 120-mm BOPS M827, L23 UK) and DM-23 / M111 “Hetz-6” (Germany / Israel).

The problem area of ​​the T-80B / BV was only the upper front part of the case, which is protected from BOPS of order 430-450 mm. It could easily penetrate American armor-piercing shells with indexes M833 (with a uranium core) and M827 (with a tungsten core), German DM23 and British L23. Meanwhile, no special attention was paid to this problem, because, firstly, T-80B received 9K112 “Cobra” guided weapons systems for the destruction of enemy tanks with 3,5-4 km (before the start of the battle using BPS), secondly, all the hope was for the action of the “terrain screen”, which did not allow the tank to be easily hit in the lower portions of the frontal projection (WLD / NLD). After 12 years passed since the first T-80 was adopted, the Soviet army numbered around 6700 MBT T-80B / BV, most of which were located east of the Urals and smaller - in the GDR.

At the same time, by 1988, the enemy had achieved tremendous success in developing promising armor-piercing shells using depleted uranium and tungsten. Thus, in the 88 year, the armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber projectile M829, capable of piercing the 550-570 mm steel equivalent with 2000 m, appeared in service with the tank units of the US Army. Around the same period, a German BOPS with the DM-33 index appeared similar in parameters. "Eighties" lost all the advantages in the near tank confrontation, especially since the Germans were on the approach with a more advanced modification of the Leopard - A4, and the American General Dynamics Land Systems managed to roll out a modification of the Abrams M1A1HA, equipped with a combined Frontal armoring of the tower using a depleted uranium envelope. The equivalent resistance of the frontal projection of the tower from the kinetic armor-piercing shells in these machines reached 580-620 mm when viewed from 0 shelling degrees from the longitudinal axis of the bore; the resistance of VLD possessed similar indicators. Domestic 125-mm uranium armor-piercing projectile ZBM-33 "Vant", able to penetrate only 560 mm equivalent, such armor was too tough. The appearance of a deeply refined T-1985U machine ("80AS Object") in 219 smoothed the situation. Tower resistance from armor-piercing projectiles on the front (using DZ Kontakt-5) reached 780-900 mm due to the increased size of frontal armor plates and improved filler, but these machines produced no more 700 units.

At the time of the collapse of the USSR, the question of the protection of armored vehicles was of little interest to anyone. A decent amount of "reactive" "Eighty" went to Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Belarus and Azerbaijan. Moreover, with the use of dummy organizations and individuals in the ranks of the Russian army, where chaos also reigned then, the United States and Great Britain managed to get several copies of these machines to assess the dynamic qualities and to simulate duel situations on the battlefield with the participation of their Challengers-2 and "Abrams", as well as our T-80. About 2800 our T-80B / BV were placed on conservation. In the Ground Forces of the Russian Federation it was decided to leave only about 500 T-80BV / U. Rates were also made on such MBT options from Uralvagonzavod, such as T-72B (sample 1989 of the year), T-72BA, and then T-72B3. The armor protection of their frontal and onboard projections from BOPS was at the level of T-80BV (when using “Contact-1”) and at 15 — 20% exceeded it when installing EDS 4-22 “Contact-5”. At that time, the Eighties were extremely unprofitable for the barely living Russian economy of 90: the enormous voracity of GTD-1000T / TF and GTD-1250 gas-turbine engines (by 60 — 80% more than of diesel engines of equal power) forced the military leadership countries to look exclusively in the direction of the Ural tank builders from the UVZ, about the Leningrad and Omsk "Channel Channels" have been forgotten.

After the start of serial production of the first modification of the MBT T-90 (“188 Object”) in the fall of 1992, with a cast turret from T-72B, represented by containers with special armor from reflective sheets in the size of frontal armor plates, the focus of the whole Russian tank design shifted towards the development of new modifications these machines. The 1X45T Irtysh fire control system at the 188 facility was borrowed from the T-80U gas turbine and included: SAT 1A42, the TPN-4-4E “Buran-PAS” sight of the Buran-PA sniper, Ipid in a single line, Id- 4; Agat-S is also an 4K9 Reflex tank weapon system. An important advantage of the new CWS, unlike 119А1 (Т-40Б), was the absence of the need for constant manual introduction of ballistic and meteorological corrections to determine lateral anticipation angles that take into account the humidity of the air, the temperature of the charge, the atmospheric pressure, and the decrease in the initial velocity associated with channel wear. 72А2М-46 tools. Due to this, the crew of the “2 Object” was able to set the SLA necessary angles of lead in the elevation and azimuth planes many times faster than it did on the T-188B. The process of stabilizing the gun in combat took place through a fairly effective electro-hydraulic (in elevation) and electromechanical (in azimuth) stabilizer 72E2-42 "Jasmine", which is also used in the T-4 line starting with the modification "BA" ("72A Object ").

By the beginning of the XXI century, a more modern modification of the T-90A "Object 188A" was ready. This MBT has received a modern welded turret with 1,15-multiple increase in resistance from armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber shells, which was made possible by the use of external and internal dimensions of rolled armor plates. The survivability of the turret also increased due to the original distribution of welded joints between the main armored elements of the tank turret: they were partially or completely blocked by armor plates from the projectile-hazardous direction. Despite the highest level of bronze protection of the T-90А / С tanks from the enemy’s kinetic projectiles, which, using VDZ Kontakt-5 and Relic, increased to 1050 - 1150 mm, these machines cannot be considered as the perfect offensive weapons, because 1000-strong diesel engines B-92C2 provide all the same low power density and maximum speed in 65 km. Traction qualities of these engines also remain very mediocre in comparison with gas turbines. The large-scale production of the prospective T-14 “Armata” MBT is only planned for 2019, and a regional conflict in the European theater, requiring high speed and maneuverability from our armored vehicles in dueling situations, may well flare up in the next 2 - 3. That is why the Ministry of Defense and the Ground Forces tightly took up the development work on a radical improvement of the "jet tanks" T-80BV to the level of "BMP". What finally happened, we now consider.

As we managed to make sure in May 2017 of the year, with the current Ukrainian government, the Kharkiv Armored Plant practically lost all the “thinking heads” working in the defense industry until the arrival of the new, illegitimate “top”. This was reflected in the details of the T-80B / BV MBT restoration program, which were previously conserved. The machines did not receive exactly any modernization signs against the background of the 85 samples of the year. In particular, there are all the same mounted elements 4С20 DZ "Contact-1", not increasing the security of the tank from uranium armor-piercing shells "Vant". The frontal projection has not been protected from the Metis-M tandem ATGM or RPG-27 Tavolga anti-tank grenades. All that was enough for “engineering thought” was to “stick” the infrared searchlight to the right of the gun mask, which reduced the resistance from the single-block CS in 1,8 times. Now Ukrainian “jet tanks” participating in aggression against LDNR can be easily stopped even with the help of RPG-7, attacking to the frontal projection with the usual cumulative PG-7 “Luch”, not to mention the “Summary”.

With the Russian T-80BVM, the story is completely different. Here we can see the extremely dense overlap of the frontal projection of the tower with wedge-shaped elements 4 – 23 of dynamic protection “Relic” in the corners of safe maneuvering ± 40-45 ° from the course direction of the tank. The area to the left of the gun embrasure is also securely covered by a separate 4 – 23 module with a large elevation angle from the horizontal plane. Infrared searchlight moved to a rotatable combat module above the hatch commander. The on-board armor plates of the turret are covered with specialized advanced large-sized 4C24 “Relic” modules for light-armored vehicles, which are equivalent to the 600-mm steel plate during the shelling of the COP. Thin stern bronelist is protected by a lattice anti-cumulative screen in the 60 - 70 ° sector. We conclude that the total area of ​​overlap of the T-80BVM tower with the built-in remote control complex "Relikt" surpassed that of even the experienced T-72B "Slingshot", which does not have large EDS for protecting the sides of the tower. Small elements of dynamic protection are also installed on the upper armor of the tower and partially obscure the reserved volume in the area of ​​the commander and gunner seats. Now consider security in numbers.

It is known that the T-80BVM is equipped with a full-cast cast turret with a combined reservation, which without DZ possesses resistance from BOPS of the order of 520 - 530 mm and from cumulative shells - of the order of 560 mm. The equipment of the remote control complex "Relikt" increases the equivalent from armor-piercing shells to 800 - 820 mm and from KS - to 1050 mm. Consequently, the tank is protected from virtually all serial US and German BPS (M829, M829A1, M829A2 and DM53) when fired at safe maneuvering corners ± 15º. As for the armor-piercing feathered sub-caliber M829A3 and DM63 shells, with frontal shelling from a distance of 1500 - 2000 and frontal projection T-80BVM is unlikely to survive even with a relic, the probability of the latter approaches 830 - XNXX. This means that the priority of the crews of the upgraded “English Channel” tanks should be the destruction of enemy tanks through the integrated guided-weapons systems “Reflex”. Otherwise, T-850BVM should be equipped not with standard “frail” towers, but with thicker-sized products from MBT T-80. Relic will also protect the tank from the American anti-tank BGM-80E anti-tank missiles, which penetrate 71 mm behind dynamic protection.

Located on the sides of the tower, the bulky-sized EDS “Relict” increases security from BOPS to 600 mm (in the front of the sides) and to 350 - 450 (in the rear), because the physical dimension of the sides of the tower gradually decreases from the front to the back. These sites are able to penetrate almost all Western BOPS (from 105-mm M774 and M833 to the first 120-mm M829). These sectors are also vulnerable to tandem cumulative anti-tank weapons with a penetrability beyond the DZ more than 300 - 350 mm. More simply, the T-80BVM is designed for a lightning offensive throw, a short tank duel with active maneuvering and the use of the TUR “Reflex” at distances beyond the limits of the BOPS. The X-NUMX-2BM crew can conduct a close tank battle at 3 km with the hope of high speed and maneuverability, as well as the fact that the enemy does not begin to use modern M80A829 and DM3 projectiles, and this is an extremely negative signal. The most pitiful outcome of the collision with “Leopards-63A2 / 5” and “Abrams” M6A1SEP can be observed if during the intense battle “reactive” T-2BVM loses several elements of 80СХNNXX on the frontal projection of T-4BVM losing several elements of 23СХNNXX on the frontal projection of T-530BVM losing several elements of 829СХNNXX on the frontal plane of the tower: XNUMX-mm armor will be bare and the tank will be destroyed by the very first outdated MXNUMX BOPS.


Parameters of a television sight doubler PDT-7151


Let us proceed to the consideration of booking the upper frontal details of the T-80BVM case. There has also been noticeable progress in contrast to the "half-naked" WFD Ukrainian T-80BV. The continuous built-in plate from 12 elements of dynamic protection "Relic" with an envelope of about 70 - 80 mm catches your eye. It increases resistance from kinetic projectiles from 400 to 600 and from “kuma” to 750 mm. This allows you to protect the plot of the driver from the American armor-piercing shells M829 and German DM43, while protection is not provided against more advanced shots. This moment is extremely “painful”, especially if the enemy is at a low altitude relative to T-80BVM: in this case, the VLD cannot be protected by a “terrain screen”; total understandable.

It is worth noting another extremely expressive disadvantage of the T-80BVM - the complete absence of cover for the strip of the tower epaulet. Thus, on Ukrainian T-64BM “Bulat” and Russian T-72B2 “Slingshot” the tower shoulder strap is partially protected by rubber plates attached to the “wedges” of the EDZ Knife and Relikt, respectively, and the specialists from the DPR managed to develop for Own T-72AB / B is a unique set of combined DZ “Contact-1 / 5”, where thick rubber skirts with 5-4 dynamic protection elements “Contact-20” mounted on the ends are installed on the tower “wedge-pairs” of dynamic protection . This design perfectly protects the turret chase from cumulative RPG rocket grants, single-piece cumulative anti-tank guided missiles and various artillery shells in caliber up to 1 mm.


Donbass approach to increasing the security of the tower


The “valid” technical moment implemented in order to increase the security of the onboard projections of the T-80BVM hull is the developed anti-cumulative screens that securely cover the vulnerable vertically oriented ammo pack in the central part of the hull. Placed in their lower part, the rubber skirts reach the axes of the rollers, while on the Ukrainian T-80BB PKE reach only the circumference of the rollers, baring 80-mm side armor plates that can be “stitched” with modern western 40-mm armor-piercing shells of the family L-70 "Bofors".

The situation with insufficient booking of the turret and the BWD is slightly smoothed by the modern multichannel gunner sight Sosna-U and the TV double-substitute PDT-7151, which allow aimed fire both at night and during the day at a distance of 3 or more km. Also, the disadvantages of armor are partially compensated by the unique speed of the machine within 80 — 85 km / h, thanks to which it becomes much easier to get away from enemy fire. However, without a modern welded turret, similar to that installed on T-90А / С, or a more “powerful” cast tower, the road “to the club of tanks of the XXI century” is closed for T-80BVM.

Information sources:
http://ursa-tm.ru/forum/index.php?/topic/250095-modernizirovannyj-tank-t-80bvm/
http://www.btvt.narod.ru/4/t-80.htm
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-294.html
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  1. +6
    15 September 2017 07: 06
    Well damn, where are the pictures? You can see, you can see ....
    1. +5
      15 September 2017 08: 13
      Quote: heruv1me
      Well damn, where are the pictures? You can see, you can see ....

      ====
      Well Duc VO, Murzilka tea and not Comics !!!
    2. 0
      1 February 2018 08: 03
      ... It became known that at the beginning of 2018 it is planned to complete the tests of the modernized T-80BVM tank.
  2. +5
    15 September 2017 07: 36
    A good, albeit somewhat biased, analysis! +!
    1. +3
      15 September 2017 11: 05
      Good set analysis +
      I don’t see anything biased, I boiled very much when I saw an outdated gun for the place 2A82 ... But then I cooled down realizing that I just decided to save on modernization ..
      The chances of encountering enemy tank armada (due to the lack of these armada) are practically zero ... The main enemy of these tanks will be the infantry and medium armored vehicles with which the tank will cope without problems ...
      1. +2
        15 September 2017 18: 42
        it’s not about saving at all, but in elementary logic. those new shots that you developed for her where in 80 shove?)
        1. +1
          15 September 2017 23: 14
          As an option for the introduction of a new tower with a new AZ, the Sub-Caliber could be stored in the rear of the tower ... or in a building with a complete alteration of the AZ ...
          Or just replace the gun ...
          The 2A82 cannon gives an advantage even when firing old ammunition, due to the increased charging chamber and a longer barrel ...
      2. +2
        15 September 2017 18: 42
        Quote: seos
        The chances of encountering enemy tank armada (due to the lack of these armada) are almost zero ...

        I agree .., such opponents on the march will be destroyed ...
  3. +14
    15 September 2017 07: 45
    Surrendering to God, I had the intelligence to introduce T-80s into combat units! Modernization is good for him, although in the 80b version the SLA was a cut out better than the TANKADLYABED -72. And you shouldn’t do it in the Arctic Circle! Having ONLY an electric start option, dead batteries (especially defrosted ones) bury all the charms of its quick launch . And in a warm box, do not care, you have a motor. . This is a breakthrough tank, super maneuverable and fast! Service on it is a pleasure back in the 80s
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 10: 43
      Shrunken batteries are bad. I completely agree. But what prevents to put an additional generator. And the main engine in the parking lot does not consume a resource, and in which case you can start it from it like a diesel engine from a launcher.
      1. +3
        15 September 2017 21: 51
        A generator of 500 amperes? Or to keep the combat readiness a hole not to jam the whole winter? In 84, at -25, three cars were wound up from the whole company, from them SOPS — all the rest! This is at the battalion exercises! The batteries are planted with the simple operation of the R-123m radio stations. Moreover, the first car was brought in time to arrive IMR-1.
    2. 0
      15 September 2017 20: 36
      Quote: 113262
      depleted batteries (especially thawed ones) bury all the charms of its quick launch.

      APU stands if that, moreover, integrated with a turbine
      1. +1
        15 September 2017 21: 59
        Did you understand what you wrote? Only the APU was on the combat vehicle, the rumble was based on the zid, HER COD FOR A KILOMETER IS HEARED! It is also gasoline! (the main fuel is TS-1 and RT for gas turbine engines of 1200 tf) Moreover, in our MTO it’s not that APU, you won’t put your fist in it because of the tight layout! At dill in Oplotk, the Armed Forces of Ukraine stand instead of an external oil tank, we have an external fuel tank there! They put it on the tower behind, under the OPVT, but the VKU does not allow transferring charging to the main batteries! And OPVT sticks out over the tower!
        1. +1
          17 September 2017 03: 54
          So what prevents us from APU as ukrovermat instead of one of the tanks to attach? Look at the T-90 somewhere screwed. Yes, and it’s time to change the walkie-talkie for a long time, otherwise the iPhone is already superior in terms of coolness and “intelligence” to the whole tank, and we still have “10 tons” walkie-talkies.
        2. 0
          20 September 2017 19: 22
          I perfectly understood, by the way I could hardly find, I would not know, I could not find
          http://is2006.livejournal.com/635244.html
          1. 0
            20 September 2017 22: 42
            Neither B nor BV have these units! On the site near Kamensk-shakhtinka for sure! And 30 years ago, too, was not! If they appear, it’s good, if they find where to put it, it’s even better! The one on Shilka and Os was just huge for the tank! With a small desk!
            1. 0
              21 September 2017 08: 31
              Talk about U.
              The first 80s were still those cars, especially the chassis.
              drinks
  4. +4
    15 September 2017 08: 07
    However, without a modern welded turret similar to the one installed on the T-90A / S, or a more "powerful" cast turret, the road "to the club of tanks of the 80st century" for the T-XNUMXBVM is closed.


    Well so everything for this is http://www.btvt.narod.ru/3/omsk_turret.htm

    To intensify the development of the T-72B, T-72B1, T-80, T-80BB, T-90 (T-80 "Burlak", T-90 "Burlak") tanks upgraded (according to the results of the RBC Burlak), a computer complex is being developed learning tools.
    Placement of fueling complexes in the rear of the tank turret allows you to achieve a balanced tower and, therefore, further enhancing the armor protection of the frontal projection.


    The advantages of the upgraded tank:

    1. A set of technical solutions aimed at increasing the level of security during modernization, including to increase survivability in the explosion of ammunition (insulated fuel compartments, knockback plates, etc.).
    2. Fully mechanized ammunition in the TZK and AZ at the bottom of the tank hull; in case of defeat of an overloaded AZ (TZK) the tank is able to continue the battle using the AZ located at the bottom of the hull.
    3. Reliable protection of the tank crew from death under the influence of a kinetic or cumulative projectile.
    4. The ability to use high-power shots with increased elongation BPS with a core of super-dense single-component and composite materials and improved SD.
    5. Improving the effectiveness of the fight against manpower and air targets.
    6. The use of modular combined armor complete with dynamic protection.
    7. Increasing the level of command controllability, an information management system has been installed, in which means of communication, control, diagnostics, computer processing of information and intelligence are integrated.
    8. Improved LMS due to the expansion of search and accuracy indicators, the installation of panoramas, equally possible weapon control systems for the commander and gunner to implement the principle of "hunter-shooter".

    Used materials of patents of the Russian Federation No. 2169 336, 2165617, 2233418, 43633, 2202756, 2215965, 2366882, 2204776.
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 08: 41
      Burlak is not a new thing, they have long heard of him. Only now they’ve never been seen. Therefore, it is highly doubtful that such a design will actually be in service.
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 10: 50
        Yes, there are pictures of the barge hauler on the Internet - everything is beautiful in terms of technical specifications, and the chassis like the orc technique in Warhammer + does not withstand the mass of the tower, therefore they covered the bench ...
        1. 0
          17 September 2017 10: 06
          Yes, there are pictures of the barge hauler on the Internet - everything is beautiful in terms of technical specifications, and the chassis like the orc technique in Warhammer + does not withstand the mass of the tower, therefore they covered the bench ...


          In fact, there is no data, the mass of the T-90MS tower with a stern niche and the mass of the Burlak tower.
          The dimensions are very similar.
      2. +1
        17 September 2017 09: 48
        Burlak is not a new thing, they have long heard of him. Only now they’ve never been seen. Therefore, it is highly doubtful that such a design will actually be in service.


        https://topwar.ru/10333-okr-burlak-prozhekty-i-ih
        -realizaciya.html
    2. +1
      17 September 2017 04: 00
      Excuse me the question of “couch general” - where was the last time REALLY used “underwater tank driving”? After all, if you take it seriously, and not according to the "textbook", then the very preparation for such "underwater" use is a long and complicated process. That is, there can be no talk of any “sudden forcing”. Moreover, I suspect that the "return to the tank of combat effectiveness" after such a voyage will take a similarly long time. That is, instead of guiding the crossing by artisanal methods, down to just pontoons or rafts, we have a meaningless complication of the design.
      1. 0
        17 September 2017 10: 02
        https://topwar.ru/10333-okr-burlak-prozhekty-i-ih
        -realizaciya.html
        Excuse me the question of “couch general” - where was the last time REALLY used “underwater tank driving”?


        Article on the modernization of the T-80, that is, what is tested on the T-72 Burlak tower,
        put on the T-80.
        But the T-72_Burlak was not launched into the series most likely because of the frontiers of the UVZ, most likely they persuaded the MO to wait for the T-14 Armata.

        A cannon from Almaty with its electronic filling, a fuel-dispensing sensor, throwing meter scraps of depleted uranium located in the aft AZ, on the chassis of the T-80, and there are about 4000 of them.
        Well-established rem base, training, simulators, and in case of mobilization the potential of those who served in the 80s, 90s, 00s. That is, by military standards, almost instantly, a tank fist against which NATO is powerless, unless of course the aircraft will be able to cover up.

        The same thing on the T-14 Armata is possible no earlier than 2030 and then the question
      2. +1
        17 September 2017 13: 47
        Installing OPVT at 219 according to the standard-20 minutes, dumping with one movement of the tower!
      3. 0
        21 September 2017 13: 33
        In 1985, the GSVG accelerated preparation for forcing the Elba on the move under water (filling up slots on hatches, sighting devices, without control "soaking", unloading ammunition ...) at the company (10 units) took 2-2,5 hours. With the bow and stern pumps turned on, at the exit, the water was ankle-deep
        1. 0
          21 September 2017 23: 36
          It was on Shield 84 that our company in Magdeburg went down. 25 minutes at the last, no unloading. The mechanic sat on his chest, no longer staying. They dumped it on the shore, then collected zampotechs with foremen.
    3. 0
      17 September 2017 22: 25
      Yes, with OPVT here and there! The exhaust is the same, but the suction has nowhere to smoke! And the gap is small between the tail of the tower and the engine intake grilles.
  5. +8
    15 September 2017 08: 15
    You might think that all Abrams and Leopards are modernized according to the latest standards. How many fighting leopards and eurofighters are there in Germany?
    1. +1
      15 September 2017 08: 38
      There is some percentage of combat readiness there. The only joke is that the Germans publish their percentage, but ours do not. Because there is no certainty that we are much better.
      1. +1
        15 September 2017 15: 45
        Yours also publish here recently, some sort of your general said 95% of the tanks are serviceable at the storage bases
        1. +2
          15 September 2017 17: 40
          If so, then I am very surprised.
          About the Germans, it’s just that every year a report comes out, and every year they don’t thank God there.
          And about ours, I’m hearing from you now for the first time.
  6. +2
    15 September 2017 08: 41
    Again the T-80BV. And why is the T-80U not visible and inaudible, as if they were not there? It seems to me that it is more suitable for modernization, since it was more advanced initially, and newer, and quite a few were produced (2500-3000 units at least, and thank God all the non-brothers did not get it)
  7. +9
    15 September 2017 08: 44
    "piwa tank" .... It was already tacos. The BT series was called ... and they burned like candles at one time .... A tank should not be fast - it is not a racing car! The od should be PROTECTED, the crew in it should be aware of the situation behind the armor, and the weapons (and this is important) should be able to hit the designated goals. The speed of the tank is not based on its performance on a measured segment in km / h, but on the number of breakdowns per 100 kilometers, the number of liters of fuel, oil, coolant eaten, the required number of spare parts, and the crew’s physical capabilities. And discussions about maximum speed are good for shkolota ..
    1. +7
      15 September 2017 10: 27
      Even on the UBM (combat training) t-80, which in the tail and in the mane (twice during the service changed the grousers, lugs were erased - and this is in German sand!) Neither in the LMS (not counting the burned-out fuses), nor in the running gear , neither the transmission nor the engine serious damage to the regiment was not! (23 TP) And there are 2 of them in each company!
    2. 0
      15 September 2017 10: 59
      I would call all these modifications not a breakthrough tank, but fire support tanks ....
      1. +2
        15 September 2017 22: 02
        Supports whom? Poor 72? Which boil on the march in summer with behi? And who bow to each fossa tubercle?
    3. Alf
      0
      15 September 2017 20: 44
      Quote: tchoni
      The speed of the tank is not based on its performance on a measured segment in km / h, but on the number of breakdowns per 100 kilometers, the number of liters of fuel, oil, coolant eaten, the required number of spare parts, the crew’s physical capabilities

      By the way, about the indicators. Comparison on the T-80 GTE and D.
    4. 0
      25 September 2017 06: 18
      By the way, during my service in our brigade there was a tank company on the t-80 (I don’t remember what kind of modification), and so, indeed, even training vehicles will never stall under any circumstances. On diesel behi in different companies during exercises on the way to the deployment points, up to half of the cars were deaf)
  8. +2
    15 September 2017 09: 16
    I did not quite understand what a possible local conflict on the European theater was mentioned in 2-3 years ....
  9. +8
    15 September 2017 10: 05
    Now, the Ukrainian "jet tanks" participating in the aggression against LDNR can be easily stopped even with the help of the RPG-7, which attack the frontal projection with the usual cumulative PG-7VL Luch, not to mention the Summary.

    Damantsev, aren't you tired?
    I would very much like to see you in the trench with an RPG-7 that easily stops a Ukrainian jet tank in a head-on projection ....
    How much can you rave?
    1. +1
      15 September 2017 11: 01
      You don’t have to literally understand everything, RPG-7, as I understand it, was cited for example ... The fact that ATGMs and RPGs have high chances to destroy that tank in the forehead ..
    2. 0
      25 September 2017 10: 10
      Quote: Mik13
      easily stopping in frontal projection Ukrainian jet tank ....

      And were they?
      Kharkovites laid their bones, but they stuck diesel on the 80th! Then they riveted Д modification.
      Yes about
      Quote: Mik13
      in the trench with RPG-7

      Better with him than without him drinks
  10. +1
    15 September 2017 10: 37
    Answering a question in the headline, it’s clear that it will last longer than the serial one.
    The cost of modernization is interesting. Yes, and in any case, you need a kaz, but here they didn’t even screw the curtain on the t-80 bvm.
    1. 0
      25 September 2017 10: 13
      Quote: Kars
      zpu is not clear remote, or

      From time immemorial on the 80-ke remote control was, though scolded for the "convenience" of use.
  11. +2
    15 September 2017 10: 45
    Maybe right “era” instead of the commander’s turret?
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 22: 34
      And on top of it is a “doublet”. T-35 in a modern design.
  12. 0
    15 September 2017 10: 57
    In general, an anti-personnel modification of the tank was created, thanks to an obsolete weapon and ammunition, it is better for him not to meddle in battle with tanks ....
    This modification (T-72b4, T-90M, T80BVM) is quite budgetary in comparison with more radical alterations ...
    Of course it’s a pity that they didn’t put a new gun, but most likely it would have to redo the AZ ...
    Alternatively, you could work out a gun with an increased charging chamber for more powerful charges ...
    About the T-80U, it will most likely be upgraded later, because its effectiveness is still at an acceptable level.
  13. +5
    15 September 2017 11: 08
    The T-80BVM is now needed not for the assault on Europe, but for delivery to the Arctic group. It is put into operation due to the gas turbine engine, which in cold weather starts much easier than a diesel engine. Therefore, I think that the configuration of the eighties, which is considered in the article, will be enough to solve the problems in the Arctic Circle. In general, it seems to me that the T-80BVM will not have equivalent opponents there. A leopard is a diesel engine with all the consequences, Abrams is too heavy for our snows and swamps, and for blacks-loaders in that region such a service is generally death.
    1. +9
      15 September 2017 12: 02
      Quote: Berkut24
      and for Negro-loaders in that region, such a service is death in general.

      1. +1
        15 September 2017 13: 40
        They have homosexuals in the army for sugrev gaining .... just plan to invade the Arctic ...
        1. +1
          17 September 2017 10: 02
          Quote: seos
          They have homosexuals in the army for sugreva gaining ....

          You have outdated information, trump banned the sadomites from serving.
    2. +1
      15 September 2017 22: 11
      Already wrote, with a sunken battery tank (80) does not start! From the word NO! Option-from SOPLE present, but you need at least one machine is already working. But defrosted batteries can no longer be restored. A charging current of 70 amperes will finish them off completely! In the north, as there were T-10s, they will be so! With their start-up with possible manual start. A warm box will decide, but it doesn’t care what kind of motor you have!
      1. +1
        15 September 2017 22: 33
        In the Ministry of Defense, fools are probably sitting. Now beyond the Arctic Circle there is already enough technology to solve the issues you have listed. Landing even rode to the north pole and back. I think a lot has been decided since then.
        1. 0
          16 September 2017 13: 06
          They are people, and nirazu are not tankers! Wrong!
          1. +1
            16 September 2017 14: 23
            There who is not there. As soon as Putin and the General Staff decided to advance beyond the Arctic Circle and bring to mind the Northern Sea Route, it’s even hard for you to imagine who they drove there. How many scientific developments have ordered. And how much money was given for this.
            1. 0
              17 September 2017 00: 55
              Simply, I very vividly imagine the work of this machine in the winter! In addition to the battery, the unsolvable problem is bald caterpillars. The problem with clogging with snow the engine intake grilles has been solved for a long time, but serious lugs are missing even now. Eima on ice, a wild drift, in the summer in the wet permafrost 42,5 tons stupidly lie on his belly! In training ELAN it is proved! Moreover, from personal experience!
              1. 0
                17 September 2017 10: 15
                What makes you think that the problem is not solved? Such problems have already been solved on the T-72, why is the problem not solved for the eighties?
                1. +1
                  17 September 2017 13: 50
                  Just a little, different tracks! Completely different! It is proved that only T-10 took root in the Arctic!
  14. 0
    15 September 2017 13: 16
    so how long will it last?
    1. +5
      15 September 2017 15: 26
      So in the article it is said, if Ukrainian - then until the first trench of the LDNR militias. And if the Russian - then to the shores of the English Channel. laughing
    2. 0
      15 September 2017 16: 48
      It seems that the article clearly says that they are vulnerable from above. Given the benefits of NATO in attack helicopters.
  15. +1
    15 September 2017 16: 46
    Who knows, and we make depleted uranium shells. ?
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 17: 49
      I know exactly what we are doing with enriched. With the depleted, I hope too. Prevention for the sake of.
    2. 0
      15 September 2017 19: 52
      Quote: Ken71
      we make depleted uranium shells

      No, so as not to litter the environment, but the technology is there and has been developed and will be put into production during the menacing period.
    3. +1
      16 September 2017 09: 45
      Quote: Ken71
      Who knows, and we make depleted uranium shells. ?

      The article indicated, "Wang."
    4. +1
      17 September 2017 10: 04
      We made them back in the days of the USSR since then and lie in warehouses on demand ...
    5. 0
      21 September 2017 22: 03
      Quote: Ken71
      Who knows, and we make depleted uranium shells. ?

      They did .. JSC "ChMZ" Mr. Glazov .. Production 300 .. Closed at the end of the 80s .. No equipment, no workshops .. To the question why? It was said that they found a more effective solution .. Warehouses are jammed to the eyeballs, as well as aviation ammunition ..
  16. +1
    15 September 2017 18: 28
    80-85 km per hour?))) Well, well)))
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 20: 39
      There was a joke of humor, why the T-80? And the speed is 80! bully
    2. 0
      15 September 2017 22: 13
      Not NU-NU, but 90 at the airport in a straight line! On the asphalt, the same, but at 60 it is already uncontrollable!
      1. 0
        15 September 2017 23: 50
        well, at 60 he’s just poorly managed, let's say so. but over 40 tons of metal at 80 km is an uncontrollable shell. All that is on the road will be demolished. and the crew is likely to smack.
        1. +2
          16 September 2017 13: 08
          Do not smack! He, even falling from the ramp, slowly enters the concrete highway, everyone is alive, although they flew 15 meters!
      2. 0
        20 September 2017 19: 24
        Quote: 113262
        and 90 at the airport in a straight line!

        Mekhvody-testers boasted that at times, but nafik, nafik ...
  17. 0
    15 September 2017 18: 57
    not. all. every week there’s no strength to read such opuses ... well, why do people think that you can do an analysis of something after pouring numbers from technical characteristics and shots?
  18. Alf
    +1
    15 September 2017 20: 46
    the cost of the GTD-1000T gas turbine engine alone was approaching 130-135 thousand rubles, which amounted to about 95% of the cost of the T-64B MBT.

    I met other numbers. GTD cost 95000 rubles against 9000 diesel.
    1. 0
      20 September 2017 19: 27
      In a series of 80, about a hundred pulled, against one and a half hundred 64
  19. 0
    15 September 2017 20: 46
    It is clear, all but one, why did they attribute 80 to the Malaysians? Well let out there UD, and what?
    80 Leningrad car if that.
    Yes,
    back in 1976, when the modification of “Object 219 cn 2” began to arrive in combat units.

    Generally not subject to comment ...
    1. 0
      15 September 2017 22: 15
      The first ones entered 79 in the Kazan school, then in the army!
  20. +2
    17 September 2017 09: 57
    If during the modernization they will use "reflective" hulls issued after the program, then the armor of the tank is identical to the T-90 (although it is the T-90 that is an attempt to catch up with the T-80 (exaggerating)). Therefore, he will live no less than T-90.
    P.S. I hope the tanks will be no worse than the T-80U
  21. 0
    17 September 2017 15: 53
    Exactly as many as tanks of various "partners". Or maybe more.
  22. 0
    19 September 2017 22: 54
    about the old gun on the t-90:
    1) We decided to save.
    2) It makes no sense:
    a) New shells do not enter the AZ, and without them the new gun has no greater superiority
    b) New shells climb into the AZ, so the old gun now has similar parameters to 2a81, so they left the old gun
  23. 0
    21 September 2017 05: 26
    Hmm, strange: nothing is said to replace the engine. If the same GTD-1000 *. * Remained there, then talk about the "mobility" of the T-80 in comparison with the T-90 can be forgotten
    1. 0
      21 September 2017 08: 41
      Already in Б put TF for 1100 horses ?!
      I am silent about У there initially 1250l.s.
      1. +1
        22 September 2017 03: 36
        So the fact of the matter is that 1000 hp were good against a background of 780 hp on the T-72. Now there is no such overwhelming advantage
        1. +1
          22 September 2017 07: 09
          Above what?
          If over the 90th, then yes, there is also a thousand, but diesel.
          In general, all these comparisons of 80s to modern models are cool to me, the same 90th. HOW MANY YEARS HAS PASSED, AND THE 17TH MODIFICATION DOESN'T HAVE AN IMPRESSIVE ADVANTAGE ...
          laughing
  24. +1
    21 September 2017 10: 19
    The very title of the article smacks of accounting and the author forgets that it’s not technology that is fighting, but people. According to accounting, the US army is stronger than the Russian army, and fascist Germany in 1941 was to capture Moscow.
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  25. 0
    21 September 2017 13: 10
    Quote: Seraphimamur
    Here's the accounting ... fascist Germany in 1941

    Did you see that bookkeeping? That’s just about bookkeeping, a mighty blow, on foreign territory we had to dig the Third Reich in the 41st, however ... A long and unpleasant conversation for the staff of the then Red Army. The catastrophe of the 41st was predetermined, even in the exercises held before the war, this was shown ...
    1. +1
      26 September 2017 18: 11
      In addition, the military missed the main thing - Germany had a mobilized army, and the Red Army lived in peacetime states. The USSR did not have time to mobilize and put together parts after it. This was understandable after the defeat of France, but there was no proper reaction. As a result, the Red Army was beaten in parts of poorly staffed (primarily transport).
  26. 0
    22 March 2018 20: 15
    That’s even kill, I do not see the point in the T-80BVM. As an offensive tank, it is insolvent, because in addition to mobility, it has no pluses; as a tank for the conditions of the Arctic, it is also not suitable, because booking for the defensive nature of hostilities is clearly not enough.
    And in general, is it worth starting a modernization if the characteristics are not significantly improved? Without a 2A82 gun with the corresponding PSU, three layers of DZ (without gaps), and active defense, what can this old man put up with the enemy on a modern fire-fighting system?
  27. 0
    18 December 2023 18: 11
    There has been no single approach since the times of the USSR. Nothing prevents you from installing Relic on T72, etc. according to the list. But de-unification is still going on, and the money is often cheap and ridiculous.