Weapon destruction

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Until now, passions over the recent claims of Russian Defense Minister A. Serdyukov to the rifle armsIn particular, to Kalashnikov assault rifles and SVD sniper rifles. The minister is sure that this weapon is morally obsolete. At the same time, after the decision was announced on the procurement of French Mistral, the Russian Federation may also purchase foreign weapons.
Weapon destruction

Thus, before 2015, the Russian military will have to get rid of the 4 of millions of small arms — rifles, pistols, machine guns, and machine guns, which were made before 1980. Most of them are Kalashnikovs. According to I. Korotchenko, director of the Center for International Arms Trade, this type of weapon accounts for approximately 70 percent of the total number of stocks, and it is impossible to sell them.
According to the latest data, there are currently about 17 million gun barrels in military warehouses, while about 7 millions have already used up their resources. And if you take into account other types of weapons, their total number will be several tens of millions of units. The Russian army numbers about 1 a million people.
According to the Deputy Director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies K. Makienko, there are not so many people in the country who could take more than 3 million trunks in their hands in the event of a war. In addition, modern scenarios for the conduct of hostilities no longer imply general mobilization, but the use of high-precision weapons and professional military.
It is planned that the old weapon will be sent for recycling to the enterprises where it was created. This will not only provide an opportunity to support them with orders (since most of the plants are practically idle), but also help to modernize them. For example, it is planned to create more 240 additional workplaces only at the Molot plant. The Izhmash plant, which is mainly engaged in the production of batteries, also disposes it, but for the given period of time all the work on recycling has been suspended. The reason for this was the scandal that broke out at the start of 2012. Then 80 weapons were removed from the factory territory. Later they were found by a local resident who bought old boxes for firewood. He bought them from the driver, who took them out from the territory of Izhmash and had to deliver them to the landfill for recycling, but decided to earn some money by selling boxes of 500 rubles each.
According to the plant, the incident occurred for the simple reason that the company has not installed a video surveillance system. Weapons disposal at the plant began in August, and video surveillance was installed only in October. How many weapons were destroyed during this time period is unknown. After the scandal, "Izhmash" suspended work on recycling, and when they begin, it is not reported.
The recycling process itself is not complicated - the weapon is cut with the help of machines or crushed under pressure, and then sent for remelting.
At the same time, the disposal of Mosin rifles, which were actively used at the beginning of the last century, was stopped. The corresponding instruction was given by the Deputy Prime Minister of Russia D.Rogozin, explaining his decision by the fact that this rifle is not just a weapon, but also a valuable museum exhibit and part of a military storieswhich is the subject of interest of many collectors.
There are many conflicting opinions on the decision of the Minister of Defense. For example, D. Shiryayev, a weapon designer who worked for many years at TsNIITochmash, notes that foreigners recognize the fact that domestic weapons are still the best in the world and that there will not be a single sample of foreign small arms that would make decent competition for Kalashnikov assault rifles in all respects. In addition, domestic weapons reliably.
And even if by some parameters something turns out to be better, this does not mean at all that you need to give up your weapon. When deciding on the purchase of foreign weapons, it is necessary to take into account the degree of their reliability. After all, it is no wonder that the tests carried out, for example, the same AK and M-4, proved that our machine gun is much more reliable.
Moreover, a big problem remains that the arms enterprises have a stable labor shortage due to low wages, and the purchase of foreign weapons may lead to the fact that most of these enterprises will stop working altogether.
According to S. Glussky, the former special forces soldier "Rosich", the Kalashnikov assault rifles, like the SVD, cannot be bad, as evidenced by the fact that the North Caucasus militants used it many times, although, having funding from the West, they could afford to buy something same French or American weapons. Moreover, he suggested to the Minister to clarify what weapons he considers the best domestic and conduct field testing.
S. Glussky also noted that the Minister is a non-military man, therefore he cannot know the merits or shortcomings of this or that type of weapon.
But the deputy director of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis A. Harchishin partially agrees with Serdyukov. He notes that according to certain parameters both the Kalashnikov machine gun and the SVD are a bit outdated, but this does not mean that it is necessary to buy weapons abroad.
According to Kharchishin, AK is very easy to use, but it does not have high enough accuracy and low accuracy. The SVD has one drawback - it is an optical sight instead of an electronic one, which would ensure greater accuracy of shooting. But why, instead of purchasing foreign weapons, not to distribute these funds and not to modernize their models?
It should be noted that in the post-Soviet space the issue of weapons disposal is not new. So, Ukraine also does not lag behind its northern neighbor. The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine approved a draft agreement with NATO, which provides for the disposal of small arms, light weapons, mines and ammunition. The agreement, which was signed last September in Brussels, provides for the disposal of 36 thousands of small arms and light weapons, 3 millions of anti-personnel mines and 76 thousands of tons of ammunition. At the end of November 2011, information appeared that the United States would provide Ukraine with financial assistance, the size of which would be about 126 million dollars, and part of which would be spent on the destruction of weapons.
It should be noted that this is the second agreement between Ukraine and the military bloc. The first was signed in 2005 year and was designed for 10 years. According to this document, the Ukrainian side had to dispose of 130 thousand tons of ammunition and weapons. This has been allocated 74 million euros.
In the European territory, disarmament issues are dealt with by the UN, which is trying to thwart attempts to distribute weapons, and also is carrying out their elimination. Within the UN, a large number of treaties were signed that prohibit the production, development and stockpiling of weapons. For example, in the 2005 year, the Ottawa Convention was signed, which the country’s 144 acceded to. This document prohibited the use of land mines. The organization also supports efforts to curb the illicit arms trade, which is the primary means of conducting hostilities in local conflicts.
In 2001, the United Nations declared International Day for the Destruction of Weapons, when all those who suffered from it, are engaged in their elimination. According to published statistics in the framework of the “Weapons - Under Control” campaign, for every tenth inhabitant of the Earth there is one barrel. Despite the fact that about 800 thousands of weapons are annually destroyed every year, the problem does not cease to be colossal, since for one destroyed unit there are 10 new ones.
There are other figures in the statistics: there are about 640 millions of weapons in the world; 8 millions of new weapons and 14 billions of ammunition are produced each year. The manufacture of small arms is engaged in more than 90 states of the world. Most of the countries instead of destroying old stocks are engaged in their resale.
Only three countries have a procedure for disposing of confiscated or surplus weapons.
The most striking example of the uncontrolled spread of weapons was Iraq, where in 2003, the US military seized more than 650 thousand tons of weapons and explosives, since military depots were abandoned without protection.
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  1. sanyarusian
    +10
    19 March 2012 08: 07
    survived, God forbid that we buy foreign weapons!
    1. +3
      19 March 2012 09: 45
      Yes, this is garbage, half of the promise was never bought Yes
      Moreover, soon new domestic and modernized models will come up and goodbye abroad
      1. +2
        19 March 2012 09: 59
        And what is it that we will purchase foreign weapons?
        For example, tell me at least a decent serial Russian gun?
        BUT pistols are not the main thing.
        For example, I don’t know a single decent sniper rifle. Serial production of which is established.
        We have a large number of intelligence and so on. For example, they must also know foreign weapons to be able to use them. And go with him in raids in case of war.
        1. +6
          19 March 2012 12: 22
          - Nothing like that, except for the ambitions of MO .. it's overkill! I have not yet seen worthy foreign weapons requested by the Ministry of Defense, which could replace domestic developments. Not only considered "Mistral".
          - Back in 2003, the following pistols were put into service: GSh-18 (Gryazeva and Shipunova), PYa (Yarygina) and SPS (Serdyukova). Also, they promise a serial strike from IZHMash this year.
          - It depends on what kind of rifles. Large-caliber OSV-96, special VSS "Vintorez", SV-98. The T-5000 is also suitable.
          And about "decency" - it depends on what. Even about the "obsolete" ADD one can argue to the point of hoarseness.
          - For special units (saboteurs for example) there are foreign models, as without this. Besides, if you can shoot at all, then you do not need to know the weapon "to the screw".
          1. +1
            19 March 2012 12: 41
            I have not yet seen a worthy foreign weapon requested by the Ministry of Defense, which could replace domestic developments
            Umm, and Austrian snipers http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sniper-rifles/at/steyr-ssg-04-r.html
            I advise you to read the hansa on pistols. But of all this, I like PY. But he still raw after 5 years will be normal.
            OSV-96 is an unnecessary exotic all the more so in the gross quantities of sniper cartridges only machine guns,
            BCC / VAL is a special police weapon for special tasks that are little adjusted with the tasks of army snipers.
            Below wrote for the SV-98 it was necessary to shoot exponentially
            And about "decency" - it depends on what. Even about the "obsolete" ADD one can argue to the point of hoarseness.
            I have no complaints about SVD in my tactical niche. She is the best in the world. This is my opinion, but she’s never a sniper.
            For special units (saboteurs, for example) there are foreign samples, as without it. Besides, if you know how to shoot at all, then you do not need to know the weapon "to the screw".
            But not in commercial quantities. And to know up to the screw it refers to the culture of weapons. What unfortunately is not in our country.
        2. +7
          19 March 2012 12: 36
          You are either very naive or very stupid, since you think that it’s okay to buy foreign weapons. I don’t know that the French Krotal complexes were disabled in Iraq. America received the codes for disconnecting the installations from France. Abroad, you need to take single copies and create your own .Our military-industrial complex was ruined for 20 years. New ones were created singly and miraculously. They didn’t allocate money to the military-industrial complex, weapons were developed more or less in 2000. The serial production is far away. Our General Staff headed by Makarov showed his complete lack of care , they put forward their requirements, and then present to the designers that the car turned out to be weak, or they cannot formulate what they want and shout that the equipment is out of date. We do not have the equipment out of date, but the Chief of General Staff MAKAROV.
          It’s necessary to dispose of the old Weapon, here Serdyukov is right, and this is not his decision. We have so many old weapons that there is nowhere to store new ones.
          1. -2
            19 March 2012 13: 03
            You are either very naive or very stupid, since you think that it’s okay to buy foreign weapons. You don’t know that the French Krotal complexes were disabled in Iraq. America received codes for shutting down installations from France.
            Duc like small arms about balak not?
            Abroad, you need to take single copies and create your own.
            CEP?
            .Money was not allocated to the military-industrial complex, weapons began to be developed in 2000, which is more or less. It is far from serial production.
            But we must fight now. Will our worthy buy ours.
            1. -2
              19 March 2012 18: 02
              About small arms, but this is a clear example of what happens when you buy abroad. Who are you going to fight with? Well, we have such a situation! What to do? Go make your own sample of small arms, go through state tests and start stamping! Critics who yell that everything will always be bad, but recovering and creating is not easy!
          2. Roman Shukhevych
            -8
            19 March 2012 13: 03
            "Our equipment is not outdated, but Chief of General Staff MAKAROV." - do not carry sedition, makarov is APPOINTED by Putin! the decision is deliberate and not subject to discussion! or do you question the talent of Vladimir Vladimirovich? laughing but in general, of course, the figure of 17 million barrels is amazing ... how much money was spent in the USSR for this sea of ​​scrap metal?! ... it would be better if they built houses and cars and handed them out to people .. and now for scrap, and again a lot of money is needed ... who will be responsible for such absurd, to put it mildly, decisions - to stamp so many weapons? The Caucasus, and not only him, is ready to "utilize" all this happiness and show the Act of execution laughing
            1. biglow
              +2
              19 March 2012 17: 02
              go back to your caches to clean the MG-34
            2. 0
              19 March 2012 17: 58
              I’m also questioning how. Putin, in your opinion, puts precisely verified people, knowing what they will say, I think not. Not all of Putin’s ideas are faultless and this is a fact, this should also be taken into account.
  2. Drevnij
    +7
    19 March 2012 08: 13
    I am more and more convinced that Taburetkin is a mishandled "Cossack" ....
    1. Eugene
      +6
      19 March 2012 09: 06
      The fact that he decided to throw out the trash that is in the long-term storage warehouses is also unnecessary expenses.

      More recently, Dyagterevy disk lay in warehouses, I saw, PCA say too. And what for to store them? Can you sell a mosquito to hunters, and the rest?
      1. 755962
        0
        19 March 2012 22: 04
        Quote: Eugene
        To sell a mushroom to a hunter
        Googled offhand, a lot of people want to buy Mosin. They write a price of about 30000 rubles. There is a demand, there is an offer.
        In warehouses they are full.
        Various modifications of the Mosin rifle are in service with the Finnish army to date.
        1. 0
          22 March 2012 04: 26
          The rulers are afraid that they will not fight like this with such trunks, they will not hunt for those ... The Russian people are not European peoples who live according to written laws. In Russia, there are also concepts, and justice is sometimes bubbling, people are emotional, not always tolerant ... They can arrange a riot (the Russian one) or stir up a revolution! Rake it later! But with such prices, a profitable "disposal" could be obtained! In Lithuania, Mosin carbine 44 g. Costs 450 litas. (about 125 euros.) http://www.lgf.lt/index.php?-368067434
    2. +2
      19 March 2012 09: 55
      He was sent because he is a businessman. But the defense industry is not a market, it is not appropriate to trade here.
    3. +2
      19 March 2012 10: 01
      Yes, yes, we certainly need Mosin rifles and drafts.
      I personally saw how Uhlan peaks were taken out of warehouses.
      As well as AKM and Ak 74 killed in the trash, and so on.
      1. 0
        19 March 2012 10: 14
        leon-iv
        Is it a joke about ulan peaks?
        1. +2
          19 March 2012 10: 27
          og two times.
          Warehouses near Moscow.
          And also sappers took out cartridges of release of 37 years for recycling.
          1. brr77
            -1
            19 March 2012 20: 44
            It all starts with a small one ... First, we will buy a small batch for special forces, and then after a while we say what for, we need our weapons in general, and the school of production is lost. All this resembles the purchase of weapons until 1917. Just bought a very good foreign artillery. And here is such a reason - we can’t do sniper rifles at all ...
        2. +1
          19 March 2012 10: 34
          there is no joke, we have a soldier's revolver in storage in the RAV zone (you cock the trigger for each shot)
          1. Tyumen
            0
            19 March 2012 12: 21
            Quote: core
            (you pull the trigger for each shot with your hands)

            Nagan of the first issues, non-samovzvod?
            1. 0
              19 March 2012 15: 26
              no, not self-cocking!
            2. +1
              23 March 2012 21: 44
              The revolver of the Nagant system in tsarist Russia was produced in two types: a soldier's and an officer's (self-cocking). This was explained by the fact that supposedly the soldiers are worse at using weapons and they will have a large consumption of cartridges. After the civil war, the "non-self-platoon" was removed from service and production.
      2. 0
        19 March 2012 11: 13
        Quote: leon-iv
        Yes, yes, we certainly need Mosin rifles and drafts.

        I wrote about:
        Quote: Drevnij
        Storetkin sent "kazachek"

        There is something to dispose of, this is already understandable. As you can see in the article, they came up illiterate:
        The disposal of weapons at the plant began in August, and video surveillance was established only in October. How many weapons were destroyed during this period of time is unknown

        In addition, it is necessary to leave samples for museums.
    4. +1
      19 March 2012 10: 32
      you are naive. Do you really think Serdyukov has nothing more to do than test AK. This is simply a stupid lompass provocation, Serdyukov himself does not run with AK. it means that the imfa was given to him, it was from the army, by "military officers", and he, as an effective manager, took care of the quality of the working tool.
    5. Flight Recorder
      +14
      19 March 2012 11: 36
      In the event of a war, three million will be called up and the rest will sit at home and watch news from the front on TV? Well, those who find themselves in occupied territory will have to seize weapons from the enemy, using a kitchen knife, like in a video game, first a gun, then an assault rifle, but if lucky then a machine gun with a grenade launcher.
      This weapon is a mobilization reserve and its destruction is an undermining of the state’s defense capability.
      1. -5
        19 March 2012 11: 43
        oh shield. o5.
        The millions of armies with the development of MLRS tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear forces are a thing of the past. And enough for the mobilization event. and GS are sitting smarter than you.
        1. Flight Recorder
          +4
          19 March 2012 13: 51
          Well, yes, apparently for this reason, the Americans’s land is burning in Iraq and Afghanistan.
          1. Eugene
            +1
            19 March 2012 14: 07
            they have not a million people there, and several thousand soldiers do not die per day.
          2. Olegovich
            +3
            19 March 2012 14: 16
            Quote: Flight Recorder
            Well, yes, apparently for this reason, the Americans’s land is burning in Iraq and Afghanistan.

            It can be seen that it’s burning very much, since they are still climbing Syria with Iran.
            If we had not decided on new small arms, then we would have fled with the Mosins, and we would not have seen AK and SVD. Any new one is always a certain risk, but it is necessary.
            There was a story on TV - one craftsman produces sniper rifles from us, and acquires trunks for them, or rather stocks abroad, because the steel is not the same, and we can only give large batches.
            By the way, automatic weapons under Stalin did not take the army into service for a very long time. Also did not want a new one.
            1. Flight Recorder
              +7
              19 March 2012 17: 50
              And who said that we should abandon the creation and production of modern small arms? On the contrary, the creation of modern systems of all types of weapons needs to be intensified.
              But it’s not logical to dispose of a fully operational weapon without replacing it with a new kakbe. Warehousing is unlikely to entail serious costs. In the end, it can simply be sent to a hot spot to support our interests.
      2. Eugene
        +1
        19 March 2012 12: 17
        Quote: Flight Recorder
        and those who are in occupied territory will have to seize weapons from the enemy,

        That is, in the case of occupation, we all run to a long-term storage warehouse on this territory for PPSh and Dyagteri, and the enemy will not touch the warehouse. And will he calmly distribute trunks to everyone?
        Quote: Flight Recorder
        This weapon is a mobilization reserve and its destruction is an undermining

        There AK more than 17 million barrels. Minus 4 million - 13 million. This is more than enough.
        All the more, you should be aware that according to the experience of the wars of the 20th century, 40-60% of personnel losses are barrel and rocket artillery.

        And I would not want to go with Nagan into the battle against the Nato soldiers.
        1. Brother Sarych
          +3
          19 March 2012 13: 27
          Better with a spear?
          If anything, then Nagant is not bad ....
        2. Flight Recorder
          +6
          19 March 2012 13: 48
          In the event of a threat of occupation, there will be an opportunity to distribute weapons to citizens ready to fight the enemy. Or transfer it from other territories to the occupied ones, but this is if there are weapons.
          And you try to dispose of 17 million during the conduct of hostilities from 4 million and say, This is more than enough, still 40-60% of us will die from the fire of the barrel and rocket artillery.
          If you do not want to go into battle against the enemy with Nagan, then give up and go die in the camp and grab your family.
          1. -4
            19 March 2012 14: 03
            how much do you fight against the regular army with at least ak even with nagan.?
            1. Flight Recorder
              +5
              19 March 2012 14: 20
              Well, a drunk American soldier will come to your house and begin to kill, and you will get a gun and turn it in your hands and say: no, this guy is from the regular army, a gun will not help here.
          2. Eugene
            -3
            19 March 2012 14: 13
            According to our doctrine, in the event of a significant threat to us by the enemy using only conventional weapons (aviation, armored personnel carriers, missiles), we can use nuclear weapons.
            Therefore, the question is what for, you need to have such a mega-reserve, which will not be appropriate to apply. From such a mega-weapon: Nagan, PPSh, Dyagtyar ...
            Maybe now a small reserve will be hammered by something sensible.
            1. Flight Recorder
              +2
              19 March 2012 17: 11
              In order to score something, it is necessary to produce something. And the modern military doctrine does not provide for the production of mass and inexpensive small arms.
              And where does Nagan, PPSh and Degtyar come in? We are talking about weapons fired before the 80th year, namely AK. And tell me what it’s fundamentally Nagan (by the way, a horse fells from 50 meters, these were the requirements), PPSh and Degtyar from modern small arms? And in general, almost all types of weapons from the Second World War from Soviet warehouses dispersed throughout the world during the Cold War and shot well at its hot spots.
              Disposal of trunks for wear is carried out in combat units and without directives from above, in a planned manner. And here we are talking about weapons from long-term storage warehouses and their resource is less than 50%.
              If now Russian motor vehicles are written off by this principle, then there will be less cars on the roads than in the USSR.
              1. -3
                19 March 2012 19: 07
                because the horse fells, because from 50 m from Nagan there’s no longer really what to get into. Nagan’s targeted battle is not what.
                1. Eugene
                  +2
                  19 March 2012 20: 29
                  At Nagan EMNIP muzzle energy is approximately equal to all unloved PM.

                  The Flight Recorder, in the article (the day before), it was said not only about the AK, by the way.
                  By the way, gunmen were successfully used by killers of the 90s, due to the fact that, unlike many revolvers, you can attach a glushak.
                  1. +1
                    20 March 2012 09: 26
                    used, because the trouble-free revolver system, if a misfire, press more and the new cartridge is ready. and even the liners do not remain at the crime scene. and in the nineties, our idea of ​​weapons was not what.
                    and a gun is really curved if you don’t manually cock the trigger before firing.
                2. Felix200970
                  +1
                  21 March 2012 01: 39
                  And how much did you shoot the ammunition from the revolver to say so?
  3. Dimitrxnumx
    +3
    19 March 2012 08: 15
    I do not believe that disposing of AK and SVD will be cheaper than selling them, or at least upgrading them. There are so many illegal assemblies, but Russian AKs are always appreciated abroad. And the more foreigners use our weapons, the more money they will pay for it. Apparently it is beneficial for someone to bury our weapons ourselves.
    1. Eugene
      +1
      19 March 2012 09: 00
      What will you do with a machine whose resource is more than half used up?
      Who needs it? Only if you give the Mujahideen who support us, but I don’t know something slippers.
      Why upgrade a weapon that is 30 years old and has serious barrel wear? Most of those AKs are AKMs, and why should it be, if most of the parts are armed with the 74th?
      1. Tyumen
        +3
        19 March 2012 09: 33
        Quote: Eugene
        Is the resource more than half used up?

        about 7 million have already worked out their resources.

        And where could you ditch so many trunks?
        There wasn’t a big war, not at the shooting ranges.
        1. Eugene
          0
          19 March 2012 10: 07
          But why not? Every time a conscript is not given a new assault rifle. Imagine how many people could shoot from them since the AKM was released (in the 50s and 60s)?
        2. +1
          19 March 2012 10: 39
          and I’ll tell you where the resource was developed, each conscript hears the legend that AK is not a weapon to be killed, and therefore the attitude to it is corresponding. will dry up and he will shoot. that's how in our valiant army KILL weapons. PS militia_police is not far gone.
          1. +1
            19 March 2012 10: 49
            And you can describe the enchanting process of writing off trunks.
            1. +2
              19 March 2012 11: 23
              You can describe, but not enough words. and the most intelligible words are deleted.
          2. Tyumen
            +2
            19 March 2012 12: 23
            Quote: core
            and therefore the attitude towards him is corresponding. will dry

            Isn't it supposed to clean after renting?
            1. 0
              19 March 2012 12: 33
              in PPD yes but not in fields
      2. +2
        19 March 2012 18: 01
        Ukraine, too, cut Tu-160 when it could sell them, blew up rocket mines --- even though they didn’t interfere with anyone after the Special was exported. It sent tanks and guns for scrap ---- at least that's all MONEY.
        And where there is no Kalashnikov there is Amer’s M-16 or German G-3
  4. rinzhak
    +2
    19 March 2012 08: 19
    claims of the Minister of Defense of Russia A. Serdyukova to small arms, in particular to Kalashnikovs and SVD sniper rifles. Minister sure this weapon is outdated.

    disagree ...
    AK-74 is not only a reliable small arms, but also quite effective means in hand-to-hand combat. (including its individual parts!)
    and all these "innovative" prototypes - so it is still necessary to check in real combat, what are the skills of shooting from all positions of those samples, which are going to replace the AK ...
    The shape, weight, design of the AKAEM stock is flawless in this regard!
    1. Eugene
      +1
      19 March 2012 09: 02
      Are you talking about a wooden butt? Yes they can ... well, only with a bayonet would be better.
      But I do not think that having a good stock is a good reason to leave it in service.
      1. 0
        19 March 2012 13: 01
        Quote: Eugene
        Are you on a wooden butt?

        I’ll add that long ago they switched to plastic and iron winked
        1. Eugene
          +2
          19 March 2012 14: 05
          I just did not inspire confidence in plastic (
  5. Volkhov
    +2
    19 March 2012 08: 33
    After the collapse of the army, the partisans disarm, and the police already serve them.
    1. +2
      19 March 2012 10: 02
      Breathe out the revolution is canceled.
      1. Volkhov
        +3
        19 March 2012 12: 32
        And the end of the world begins ...
  6. alps
    +4
    19 March 2012 08: 54
    I don’t think that the AK will leave the scene for the next decade, and it’s necessary to develop and deploy new models, you know how long things are going on with us, until the new weapons reach the AK’s really old ones, so let them suffer a little))
  7. +2
    19 March 2012 09: 03
    I’m sure that our army will be armed with domestic small arms. All these stuffing information is based on speculation around the purchase of Mistral. Their purchase is a moot point and may be correct to some extent (although I do not approve). But in small arms our positions are unshakable, we just need to little work for the designers, and the military finally say what they want.
  8. +1
    19 March 2012 09: 17
    Our powerful have learned only how to destroy everything and how to destroy everything domestic, the destruction of the country has been going on for 20 years, the population is degrading. Who are the occupants in power?
  9. Dmitry.V
    0
    19 March 2012 09: 20
    Each year, the United States should more and more reckon with Russia, now Russia can again influence other countries, and I think it will grow into the second stage of the Cold War.
  10. +4
    19 March 2012 09: 45
    Recently I read a book by one popular American expert Chris McNab, "Weapons of Destruction for the 21st Century." In the small arms section of the AK, I will give some excerpts from it: "There are two aspects in which the AK is unmatched; it is not whimsical, and There are no flaws. In terms of reliability, the AK is significantly superior to all other rifles. According to some tests, individual AKs, with good care, fired up to 30000 shots before failures were noted. Anyone who has to make their life dependent on the weapon in their hands does not will argue that reliability is always preferable to the complexity and ingenuity of the design. The endurance of the AK turns it into a product of long-term use, since some individual samples, made, say, in the 70s and having changed several owners, have happily survived and live in the 21st century. "This is the opinion of an American expert. Draw your own conclusions.
  11. +1
    19 March 2012 09: 47
    All performance characteristics of small arms are reduced to RELIABILITY ... If you run into the attack and shoot or sit in the trench and shoot ... Then you do this as part of a crowd of people ... And such values ​​as accuracy, accuracy are not needed ... The main thing that would shoot ... And here Kalash is beyond competition .... Of course, at the training ground you can show ballet ...

    Ballet - the army has a set of ostentatious events dedicated to the arrival of high authorities ...
    1. +1
      19 March 2012 10: 07
      By the way, with M-16 hard "ballet" is unlikely to show, it will fall apart!
      1. 0
        19 March 2012 10: 13
        yes how poor omerikmercheg fought with him around the world then.
        Poor thing.
        1. +1
          19 March 2012 10: 25
          They torment me. I feel sorry for them too. I always regret them. angry
          But, as I understand it, it is written with sarcasm? Under bosses and journalists, as well as in hothouse conditions, they are fighting with their ceremonial musket M-16 and its modifications, and when they want to survive they take an AK.
          1. -2
            19 March 2012 10: 31
            That’s all bullshit. And the question here is the supply of ammunition and weapons skills and much more.
            In reality, the famous bike about the AR-15 got out of Vietnam. Now it’s a completely reliable weapon brought to mind that fits perfectly into its tactical niche.
          2. dmitryg
            +2
            20 March 2012 08: 44
            that Americans take AK is a common myth and ravings. To take a machine gun from a dead Taliban once, to shoot a store at the door of the house before stripping - this is one, and PPSh were used. But no one with AK constantly walks, banging their own, by sound.
            Yes, and the M-4 is in the process of being replaced. The same HK416 is more reliable at times. we hastened to adopt AR-15, we would accept AR-18, we would not know any problems.
            1. -1
              22 March 2012 22: 31
              I was specially interested in this question from a friend who is in a contingent in Afghanistan and he confirmed that almost all of them, except for service weapons, in "Hummers" have a set of "Kalash" ...
      2. Eugene
        +3
        19 March 2012 10: 32
        But the hit is higher than 5.45.

        I already wrote, somehow, an excellent weapon when moving from base to base as part of a convoy escort, for example, if you clean it a couple of times a day.

        Kalash weapons for war in the trenches and in the absence of fuel and lubricants and infrequent cleaning.
        M-ke in this case will be an ass.


        The myth, if you don’t clean the Kalash at all, will be normal for shooting. He also needs cleaning, otherwise, first of all, increased barrel wear and a sharp decrease in accuracy. The 5.45 patrons came with the breccom at one time so that there were problems too.
  12. Brother Sarych
    +3
    19 March 2012 10: 37
    If a weapon that has been completely killed is stored somewhere, then it’s definitely re-melted, and if not, then let it lie as it was! And you can’t touch him!
  13. 0
    19 March 2012 10: 51
    leon-iv
    And what is it that we will purchase foreign weapons?
    For example, tell me at least a decent serial Russian gun?
    BUT pistols are not the main thing.
    For example, I don’t know a single decent sniper rifle. Serial production of which is established.
    We have a large number of intelligence and so on. For example, they must also know foreign weapons to be able to use them. And go with him in raids in case of war.


    Are you cunning intentionally or out of ignorance write nonsense? Perhaps it is much more reasonable to introduce modern weapons developed by Russian gunsmiths into the series?
    And about the purchase of foreign weapons for the development of intelligence and special forces - this is nonsense. Where is this practiced?
    1. -1
      19 March 2012 11: 15
      no, I do not dissemble
      Tell me at least one valid sniper rifle that in the series is similar about a gun and about PP. There are no complaints about machine guns and machine guns (well, almost none)
      Do you want to surprise you if you do not take police special forces, then most reconnaissance units have practice with weapons of a potential enemy.
      For example, why in the Second World War they liked to go to reconnaissance with German carbines and PP.
      1. +2
        19 March 2012 11: 43
        It’s not at all because the MP is a marvelous submachine gun! Only because it is easier to get ammunition. And only!
        1. -3
          19 March 2012 12: 09
          Well, agree MP-5 is currently the best PP.
          And that the problem of providing ammunition for such groups has been resolved. Or deliver by helicopter. Or does the problem of supplying troops with ammunition seem small to you?
          1. Zynaps
            0
            19 March 2012 18: 40
            Quote: leon-iv
            Well, agree MP-5 is currently the best PP.


            popular and deserved - yes, but not the best. the Italian Specter M4 will be even better. or the promising American KRISS Super V. The Russian PP-19-01 Vityaz-SN is at least no worse.
      2. +2
        19 March 2012 12: 16
        By the way, about the sniper rifles, in Afghanistan, the special forces sniper used "Parker-Hale" English. Not a trophy, there was a purchase. But they were few. feel

        Well, why do they go to the enemy’s rear with enemy weapons and not with their time-sheets, it’s not a matter of love, but of dire necessity wink
        1. zlibeni
          0
          19 March 2012 13: 23
          Yes, and now I heard that Alpha Russian is using English sniper
      3. Eugene
        0
        19 March 2012 12: 21
        Tell me at least one good sniper rifle


        CB-98
        1. +1
          19 March 2012 12: 32
          AAAAA runs in circles.
          The goat that shoved this squalor into the army must be spread on the parade ground.
          For example, the barrel changes only in factory conditions. Further Sight Hyperion is a separate song. The trunk is very not resistant to pollution and is very sensitive to moisture. + they don’t have normal cold barrel technology.
          1. +3
            19 March 2012 13: 14
            SV-98 is a rifle that does not meet the price-quality parameter. We hope that the T-5000 will pass military tests. But if not, then it's okay if you buy imported bolts. In fact, non-self-loading rifles are needed only by snipers - saboteurs and special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, FSO. Sniper fighters operating as part of motorized rifle units need a self-loading sniper rifle, this has become obvious even to the Americans. Therefore, the Americans are looking for such a rifle. SVD in this case is simply not replaceable. In addition, SVD has a reserve for modernization. Why is this not done? - I can not understand.

            Regarding the disposal. It is necessary to utilize weapons that have developed their resources. Weapons taken out of service - sold on the civilian market, with alterations that are required by law (for example, the inability to conduct automatic firing). There are a lot of people who want to legally buy PPSh, PPD, MP-38/40 in the west, and so do we (just have to edit the legislation).
            Weapons in service, AK - for example, leave for the "partisans". More or less new weapons to upgrade. This is not difficult. Add comfortable butts, quadrails with picatinny slats, a comfortable (anatomical) fire control handle, a removable add-on. a grip on the fore-end, will finally add a collimator sight or pseudo-collimator to the standard kit.
          2. Eugene
            0
            19 March 2012 14: 04
            strange, the other day the article was about a base in Abkhazia, because there only contract soldiers were armed with it for her, after special training. And there is no ugly Hyperion there (on those who were put in that brigade).
            1. 0
              19 March 2012 14: 14
              They go there after the Solnechnogorsk school.
              Stavers give the best
        2. 0
          19 March 2012 22: 28
          Tell me at least one good sniper rifle ???
          SV-98 ...

          lower, IMHO so far the best army rifle ... We are waiting for the promised M4 modular assembly with interchangeable barrels, a la ERMA SR-100, plus our 7,62x54
      4. Zynaps
        +1
        19 March 2012 18: 28
        Quote: leon-iv
        For example, why in the Second World War they liked to go to reconnaissance with German carbines and PP.


        because the MP-40 was lighter than the PCA. and also because in the case of shooting, it is difficult for those around to understand who shoots why. the sound from firing from PPSh / PPS differs from MP-40. an experienced soldier could tell by ear that a Soviet machine gun was shooting. there is one more factor - in the case of a long-term stay behind enemy lines, it is easier to get ammunition specifically for captured weapons. with guns - the same crap.

        And yet, the Germans had an iron law: a captured enemy soldier with German weapons in his hands could not count on being captured - they were shot on the spot. even the British and Americans. among the Allies, the "hunt for the Luger" among the soldiers stopped very quickly. ours were not so shy.

        counter question: why PPSh was very popular and ranked second in terms of prevalence in the SS troops? why in the German army were captured trophies of mosin and SVT?
        1. 0
          19 March 2012 18: 35
          why PPSh was very popular and ranked second in terms of prevalence in the SS troops
          Large capacity drum store.
          why in the German army were captured trophy mosinki and SVT
          In 41, they seized a huge number of units, spare parts and cartridges "what a waste of good wasted".
          The phrase above is generally characteristic of any army in the world, and it was especially precise with the Wehrmacht.
          1. Zynaps
            -1
            19 March 2012 20: 27
            Quote: leon-iv
            Large capacity drum store.


            only on condition that it is "native", fitted to the given machine at the factory. and the main reason is the fighting qualities of the PPSh.

            Quote: leon-iv
            In 41, they seized a huge number of units, spare parts and cartridges "what a waste of good wasted".


            and this good was not lost so that the German soldiers literally fell in love with the "Svetka", and the designers hurried in advance and blinded in its image and likeness of Hever-43?

            Quote: leon-iv
            The phrase above is generally characteristic of any army in the world, and it was especially precise with the Wehrmacht.


            it’s characteristic, it’s typical, but only every trophy shit will not be used in combat units and, especially, will not be copied.
            1. 0
              19 March 2012 23: 41
              Quote: Zynaps
              only on condition that it is "native", fitted to the given machine at the factory.

              This can only be attributed to the 41st year, then the mass worked out. good
              Quote: Zynaps
              German soldiers literally fell in love with Svetka,

              Not all soldiers, but only huntsmen. It was officially adopted by the jaeger units under the marking G-41 (r), EMNIP. what
              Quote: Zynaps
              and the main reason is the combat qualities of PPSh.

              And what is wrong with the qualities? Or do you also believe in tales that the PCA did not break through the frozen overcoat? lol
              1. Zynaps
                +3
                20 March 2012 00: 37
                Quote: Landwarrior
                This can only be attributed to the 41st year, then the mass worked out.


                did not work. in order to increase reliability, we switched to carob stores. until the end of the war, PPSh were produced with two discs fitted at the factory as a set.

                Quote: Landwarrior
                Not all soldiers, but only huntsmen. It was officially adopted by the jaeger units under the marking G-41 (r), EMNIP.


                not only huntsmen, but in many infantry units. full of shots showing German infantry fighting with SVT.

                Quote: Landwarrior
                And what is wrong with the qualities? Or do you also believe in tales that the PCA did not break through the frozen overcoat?


                son, you either take me for someone else, or you think too much for others. You see, I well know the performance characteristics of both PPSh and MP-40, in the course and the parameters of the ammunition for them. I will say more: I even managed to shoot enough from both trunks. and personally, I understand very well the love of soldiers for PPSh. with PPSh everything is so. of the shortcomings, one can literally note a couple: it’s too heavy for the PP and, perhaps, the rate of fire could be reduced - the disk flies out painfully swiftly.
                1. +1
                  20 March 2012 07: 44
                  Quote: Zynaps
                  did not work.

                  Hmm, strange. I somehow checked the choice of heels of "cans" - everything sat down fine, did not fall off, and sent it out fine request
                  Quote: Zynaps
                  not only huntsmen, but in many infantry units. full of shots showing German infantry fighting with SVT.

                  Well, perhaps only at the beginning of the war, because then later with SVTshkoy they ceased mass arming of ordinary Red Army men, she remained in the marine corps. But the point here is simply that the technical literacy in the spacecraft, shame to say, was limping on both legs.
                  And by the way, just as well, there are a bunch of photographs and frames from newsreels, where the gunners with the PPSh. They even tried to make their own version, on the basis of MP-40, but it turned out to be too difficult and unreliable. The Finns, for example, took all the trophy "sugar daddies" into service, only the barrel was changed to 9mm.
                  Quote: Zynaps
                  You see, I well know the performance characteristics of both PPSh and MP-40, in the course and the parameters of the ammunition for them. I will say more: I even managed to shoot enough from both trunks. and personally, I understand very well the love of soldiers for PPSh. with PPSh everything is so. of the shortcomings, one can literally note a couple: it’s too heavy for the PP and, perhaps, the rate of fire could be reduced - the disk flies out painfully swiftly.

                  Well, yes, it's too heavy, of course, you can't argue. Also, the "tambourine" pounds in the chest if it weighs on the chest. You can't cut off three at a time, then two or four lol
                  By the way, according to rumors, if you hammer with long, then very soon it begins to "spit".
                  Quote: Zynaps
                  son, you either take me for someone else, or you think too much for others

                  wassat I already thought about it automatically, out of habit. Sometimes I just come across "all sorts", "typed" stamps .... So I thought that I got to the same smile Glad I was wrong goodBut still, "son" is the bend of a birch lol
  14. schta
    +3
    19 March 2012 12: 43
    3 million machines leave in warehouses? How fast will these 3 million assault rifles end in the event of war? Will be the new 1942?
    1. +2
      19 March 2012 13: 11
      I thought about the same thing ... God forbid, will there be enough 3 million barrels to first arm the entire mobile reserve and secondly, to make up for the losses? request
      So with these "effective managers" we'll pay off ...
      1. +2
        19 March 2012 15: 28
        In Chechnya, submachine guns quickly "shot" their resource. I remember that at that time we (the Ministry of Internal Affairs) were hardly given any cartridges for routine firing. They said that everyone was sent to Chechnya. I wonder how things are now with the mob. ammunition reserve?
        1. 0
          19 March 2012 18: 36
          Strategic Missile Forces shoots rounds of ammunition of the 84th year of firing.
  15. +2
    19 March 2012 14: 33
    You here am AK with SVD they do not like !?
    According to Kharchishin, AK is very easy to use, but it has insufficient accuracy and low accuracy. .

    What is it - AK is an assault weapon and not a high-precision weapon, and a priori is intended to "sow the landscape" with dense fire, so that not a single bastard would raise its head. And what the hell about SVD -
    According to Kharchishin ... ..SVD has one drawback - it is an optical sight instead of an electronic one, which would provide greater accuracy of shooting.
    - Mr. Kharchishin! Change the sight to a modern one, and you won’t recognize SVD !!! Or at least bother to understand the terminology of what is optical and what is an electronic sight, and the scope of their application.
    It is necessary to torture the fighters with rifle training, so that they would "shoot" in the trash at least a Kalash at the shooting range a year and get a new one from the warehouse - then he, AK, oh, how accurate and heap it will become. wink
    1. +2
      19 March 2012 14: 36
      In SVD you need to change
      1 Add a bipod mount
      2 And most importantly, CARTRIDGES need good cartridges.
      PSO does not need to be changed at effective operating ranges.
      1. 0
        19 March 2012 14: 47
        So it turns out that the SVD is still a good rifle?
        1. +3
          19 March 2012 15: 04
          Excellent for its tasks. We must be aware that the SVD is not a "high-precision" point for conducting special police and military operations by forces of sniper pairs.
          1. +2
            19 March 2012 15: 39
            The sight, all the same, should be changed on the SVD. As a hunter, I have the opportunity to compare optics. Our optics are already inferior to the Chinese ones. For example, the VOMZ optics, which I have on the AK Saiga-M3 clone in caliber 223, is much worse than the Chinese "Barska", which is standard on the Mossberg rifle in caliber 308. I'm not talking about Nikons, Lupolda, etc. We still cannot re-equip SVDs with variable magnification sights. Although this re-equipment was planned back in the late eighties. PSO is deprecated.
            1. 0
              19 March 2012 18: 09
              in this regard, yes, I agree. Multiples of 2-4-6 on SVD are more than enough.
              By the way, Belarusians produce good sights.
      2. +1
        19 March 2012 15: 40
        SVD has regular bipods. But with the cartridges - that's right.
        1. +1
          19 March 2012 18: 08
          Yeah, but now we’re trying to remove it quickly.
          1. +1
            19 March 2012 20: 19
            Yeah, and why the heck to shoot them, besides quickly - folded and FSE laughing
            1. +1
              19 March 2012 20: 25
              ... + extreme option bipod.
      3. +1
        19 March 2012 22: 38
        In SVD you need to change
        1 Add a bipod mount
        2 And most importantly, CARTRIDGES need good cartridges.
        PSO does not need to be changed at effective operating ranges.

        1. Go and buy it yourself ... MO has no money for it
        2. see point one ...
        PSO is good at distances up to 800 meters and it’s stupid of Marxman (a guy with a sniper) to demand that he perform the functions of a sniper ... IMHO
  16. aleksej
    +3
    19 March 2012 15: 38
    I’m not catching up with something, it means we have 3 million small arms, and our authorities believe that there aren’t so many people for each barrel. But what if 3 million assault rifles are not enough if, according to official figures, we have 25 million people in stock and another 1 million active, this is the opposite, we do not have enough small arms.
    1. Eugene
      +1
      19 March 2012 16: 07
      And where will the replenishment come from when the calls are reduced and the contract is transferred? Now there are still a lot of people in the reserve who were dismissed before the collapse of the union, and therefore there is such a reserve.
  17. +8
    19 March 2012 15: 58
    Indeed - complete nonsense. If the "Kalashnikovs" who have exhausted their resource are so hated, drill the barrels and send them to schools for CWP (or OBZH?). With the advice in each school, boys (and girls) passed the standards for assembly and disassembly. It is more useful to hold a real Kalash in the hands of modern schoolchildren than to put their brains in the "counter".
    1. 0
      20 March 2012 11: 01
      At the same time, they could reduce the price of MMG, otherwise I would like to hang a normal "piece of iron" on the wall and not a silumin hand-made article, only the price bites.
  18. 0
    19 March 2012 19: 00
    I do not argue. Updating weapons should be constantly carried out, but "put under the knife" everything. As a result, it will turn out like this, we do not know, and this we have never met and studied (did not use).
  19. Ahmar
    0
    19 March 2012 19: 06
    "At the same time, the disposal of Mosin rifles, which were actively used at the beginning of the last century, has been stopped." - i.e. destroy all the slightest small arms in case of mobilization - they can be distributed to several millions (and it does not matter that these are not troops in stock), but they leave the pukalki they fought at the beginning of the last century! , I don’t want to think about the bad, but some unhealthy stirring occurs at the last moment in the light of the latest news
  20. 0
    19 March 2012 22: 08
    "There is no such number of people in the country who could pick up more than 3 million barrels in the event of a war"
    It is curious where this nonsense is taken from. In one average Moscow military commissariat, about 30000 people are registered. Private and sergeant sostova + officers% 10 -15 is another 3000-4500 people. There were 30 military registration and enlistment offices in Moscow (now the departments of the military commissariat of Moscow), that is, if necessary, Moscow alone can expose about a million people. but Moscow is not the only city in Russia.

    Any country can provide 10% of its entire population to ensure combat operations, if it is mobilized globally, the rest will be employed in the national economy to satisfy the needs of the front. people Russia will be able to set 145 million. But this is if the Patriotic War. They could not gain 14 thousand for the war in Chechnya.
  21. +1
    19 March 2012 22: 22
    Damn, even leave the trunks ... the quality then and now is very different ...
  22. marauder
    +2
    19 March 2012 22: 42
    Quote: Author Valery Boval
    SVD has one drawback - it is an optical sight instead of electronic, which would provide greater accuracy.


    I just bastard from this logic.
    The sight of the rifle has nothing to do. standard side bar for a dozen different sights. put what you want. flesh to the thermal imager.

    Moreover, the standard PSO optical sight provides greater accuracy than electronic ones. electronic is good at night and no more.

    I personally use both.
    1. +1
      20 March 2012 00: 54
      SVD has one drawback - it is an optical sight instead of electronic, which would provide greater accuracy.

      for a platoon shooter, she manages to shoot enemy personnel, and the sight ... As I said earlier, a person with a sniper should be a wealthy person, because I have to not only dress myself up, but also my partner ... A simple example, people from the MO order sights and other bells and whistles through ibei ... all just because there is no money in the ministry for this ... (there are transfers, but on the same zeisses - no ...).
      1. 0
        20 March 2012 21: 19
        Only not through Ibei (the Sshapians do not release "tactics" from the country without licenses). But our relatives from America help us with this Yes
  23. Alex63
    0
    20 March 2012 00: 26
    The desire of Serdyukov to dress our army and equip all the foreigners is known and understandable. It is high time for the competent authorities to take an interest in bank accounts and the property of this furniture-maker who occupied our Ministry of Defense. The eagerness with which he seeks to buy everything abroad suggests that Serdyukov elsewhere receives a very good salary in green papers with portraits of American presidents. There is no other way to explain his ardent desire to drive our defense industry into a hole and provide work for Western gunsmiths. The position of our "sweet couple" is not clear here. In words, they are for the revival of the Russian industry, including the defense industry, but in fact everything that Serdyukov does gets warm approval from them? Or do they also pay salaries in dollars somewhere? If our defense industry is lagging behind in something, then this is a reason for dialogue and cooperation between the military and gunsmiths, and not a reason for buying French ships and American rifles. It has long been known that the West will not sell good things to the side, let alone Russia. So, maybe we can push ourselves? We have a lot of clever heads and skillful hands. Much more than "successful managers".
    1. 0
      20 March 2012 00: 58
      Well, in optics - I agree, even among Belarusians it is better ...
      1. 0
        20 March 2012 01: 40
        Quality...
    2. +1
      22 March 2012 23: 51
      "Independent research has shown that the failure of American weapons was one of the reasons the US Army suffered significant casualties during the fighting in the Wanat village of Afghanistan in the summer of 2008," reports The Associated Press. Report by Douglas Cubbison ) from the Combat Studies Institute (CSI), not publicly available, but some journalists have already been able to obtain a copy.

      The battle in the area of ​​the village of Vanat occurred on July 13, 2008. Nine American soldiers died in a shootout with gunmen. Another 27 soldiers were injured. The attack involved about 200 people. They were armed with AK-47 assault rifles and hand grenade launchers.

      Douglas Kabbison interrogated the participants of the battle, and found out that American rifles often failed, especially when they were in fully automatic mode. According to one of the military Eric Phillips (Erich Phillips), when the rebels surrounded the base, his automatic carbine M4 stopped shooting. He tried to shoot back with a machine gun, but he also failed.

      Chris McKaig, who also took part in the shootout, noted that his M4 overheated about half an hour after the start of the battle. Because of this, he could not reload the rifle and had to drop it.

      In addition, the military complained about the unreliability of the M249 light machine guns, which have a rate of fire up to 750 rounds per minute. Corporal Jason Bogar managed to fire about 600 shots, after which his weapon went out of order due to overheating. Bogar died during the shootout, however, as noted in the report, no one saw what caused his death.

      The M4 carbine is based on the M16A2 rifle. It has a shortened barrel and a telescopic butt. The carbine was adopted by the U.S. Army in 1994. Currently in operation is approximately 500 thousand M4.

      In recent years, the rifle has often been criticized for its low reliability. In particular, the M4 is inferior in the number of total failures to the XM8, HK416 and SCAR machines. In May 2008, representatives of the US Congress, the Pentagon and defense companies called for the purchase of these carbines without competition. It is expected that this will allow the US Army to select the best automatic small arms at the moment. "

      ... at about the same time they decided to arm the M4 with the Georgian army. Coincidence? what
  24. 0
    20 March 2012 01: 53
    The SVD in front of Manlicher has positive features
    Unpretentiousness - cleaning after half a shot
    Semi-automatic - bolt
    the optics are the same, both the first and the second would have money, with bipods the same story, cartridges from the same opera ...
    the only difference is a guaranteed hit in the enemy over a distance of 800 meters due to the more powerful cartridge .338LM ...
    1. 0
      20 March 2012 21: 25
      Something like nonsense (no offense feel ) - SVD and Manlicher SBS, it is like Gelendvagen and Ferrari, i.e. not bad and good, but different. By tasks Yes
    2. Felix200970
      0
      23 March 2012 00: 59
      A guaranteed hit from an SVD to an enemy at a range of over 800 is not a problem. Pick up high-quality ammunition, preferably target ones, even better with a D. bullet. And if you took machine-gun cartridges and even a worthless dancer, do not seek any more. Although I think SVD is all the same autumn is a good RIG, but not SNIPER
  25. vylvyn
    0
    20 March 2012 02: 48
    Quote - According to the deputy director of the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies K. Makienko, there are not so many people in the country who could pick up more than 3 million trunks if the war broke out.

    I immediately remembered the story - WWII - Stalingrad - for 5 people they gave 1 rifle and 5 rounds. Such a director of the Center for such analyzes and in those years to Stalingrad and to attack without a rifle. He would be smart there.

    Or here's another quote - At the same time, the disposal of Mosin rifles, which were actively used at the beginning of the last century, has been stopped. The corresponding instruction was given by Russian Deputy Prime Minister D. Rogozin, explaining his decision by the fact that this rifle is not just a weapon, but also a valuable museum exhibit and part of the military history, which is the subject of interest of many collectors.

    And that Kalash is not part of our history? Why Kalash can’t be collected, and Mosinka can? Kalash has long equaled Mosinka in terms of its time in the army, and has surpassed it by popularity and quantity.

    I feel we will come to the conclusion that we will destroy everything reliable. Leave only real junk purely for collection purposes. And when the roasted rooster bites, it will turn out like in WWII - 1 Kalash and 5 rounds for it for 5 people.
    1. 0
      20 March 2012 09: 38
      read less liberal nonsense, one rifle for 5 people. if it was actually STALINGRAD would not have defended.
      1. vylvyn
        0
        21 March 2012 02: 32
        Do you mean the statements in the article of our politicians and others? Then I agree.
  26. SAVA555.IVANOV
    0
    20 March 2012 03: 30
    http://news.mail.ru/incident/8395671/?frommail=1
    And someone claims that "Kalash" is outdated !!!
    That's why they want to dispose, probably !?
  27. +1
    20 March 2012 06: 04
    There is such a saying: one’s own burden does not pull, they would be in storage, nothing would happen to them.
    ps. I have a 12-gauge vertical, I stayed from my grandfather, so he was released in 1964, and imagine he shoots - I go to ducks with him! No obsolescence can justify the destruction of our strategic stock!
    1. 0
      20 March 2012 21: 27
      Quote: Gavril
      left from my grandfather, so he’s 1964 of release,

      And due to the legendary quality - they are very appreciated in the market of hunting weapons (in contrast to the remodels)
  28. afonya
    0
    21 March 2012 12: 44
    A good way to wash the money. SVD.Kalashnikov_ the best in the world!
  29. +1
    22 March 2012 05: 04
    I just can’t understand one thing - all this fuss does not accidentally lead to the closure of our weapons manufacturing enterprises? I’m just in case, an example has already been from history when the rulers-boyars surrendered Russia to the Poles, led by False Dmitry. Then the people came to their senses and put things in order, and if now the situation is the same, then even if we recover, then why fight? Factories will be closed. As if all this were not links in one chain, no matter how Russia was prepared for the next sale. Jackpot 40% of world wealth !!!
    But I don’t believe in the Presidential power in principle - it is the Tsar who eats what to lose, his country will go to his children, and what should the president lose? I rewound my term and no one needs anyone, write yourself a memoir.
    Excuse me for the flight of my "sick fantasy", but the time is too hot now. All such news is very alarming. And to stir up all sorts of meanness and intrigue are those dudes upstairs, and the guys from the foreign oooh as they can!
  30. 0
    25 January 2015 14: 10
    How can AK be called obsolete? If about AK-47 then yes, but Serdyukov forgets about the 100th series, which is very modern.