Military Review

Arctic all-wheel drive

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At the Victory Parade in Moscow, millions of Russians first saw the formidable military equipment in the Arctic version. And shortly before this took place the throw of high-cross army vehicles in the Arctic Circle. For the first time in the world, an expedition of promising military motor vehicles made a test autonomous march of Tiksi - Kotelny - Tiksi, traveled over two thousand kilometers on ice, hummocks, snow debris, proving the possibility of ground support for the Arctic group of forces.


Along the way, many experimental and operational problems were solved. How was the preparation for the march proceeded, what goals were outlined and what did you get in the end?

North Platform

Northern and Far Eastern directions are the most difficult for automobile and armored vehicles. This is explained by the low density of roads, rocky boulder-gravel surface, close groundwater in summer, high snow cover in winter, weather and ice conditions, and other extreme features. This limits the maneuverability of the troops, determines their attachment to the directions along the valleys and ridges.

The specific climatic conditions of the Far North have determined the priority equipment of the troops in the region mainly with all-terrain vehicles - snow-swamp-going floating tracked vehicles and all-wheel drive vehicles. All of them are used not only for the transportation of personnel and military property, but primarily as base chassis (platforms) for the installation of various weapons.

The regulatory and technical documents of the Ministry of Defense for the creation of wheeled and tracked military motor vehicles provide for their operation from plus 50 to minus 50 degrees on any roads and terrain. The plans include equipping the formations deployed in the northern regions with promising military vehicles. But before you start them in the series, you should conduct a series of tests, especially in low temperature conditions.

Arctic all-wheel drive


Following the international forums “The Arctic is the Territory of Dialogue” (2010, 2011, 2013, 2017), the Ministry of Defense gradually adapted the developed samples for use in the High North. In November, the 2012-th introduced the new "Type of military automotive technology." It was distinguished from previous program documents by the presence of several fundamentally new groups of machines, primarily for operation in the Arctic. In particular, snowmobiles, special vehicles, including ultra-low pressure tires, lightly armored and unarmored two-link conveyors of all categories were recognized as promising.

In the Main Automobile-Tank Directorate of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation, it was understood that equipping the "northern" units with new snow and swamp vehicles would expand the range of tactical techniques, increase the combat potential of the formations, and improve maintenance and repair. After the approval of the type started to implement these ideas.

"Aleut" left in the hummocks

The first stage was a complex of research tests and trial operation of machines intended for the North in various parts of the Defense Ministry, including those deployed in the Arctic region - on Kotelniy Island. Previous experience with articulated tracked conveyors GAS-3351 «Moose" GAS-3344 «Aleut" TTM-4902, DT 3P, snowmobile with TTM-1901 «eagle 'heated cab wheeled ATVs on tires TTM-3930 low and ultralow pressure Nitra and Tracol-39294 made it possible for the first time to formulate tactical and technical requirements for these types of military equipment and begin designing. Interestingly, in the cycle of works the mechanism of public-private partnership was used.

One of the first reviews of prototypes of technology and its capabilities was a conference with a demonstration of dynamic capabilities at the Scientific Research Institute of Nuclear Power Engineering of the 3 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense in April of the 2011.

The next stage is the implementation of requirements by the industry in the OCD series. Moreover, each stage of the project was accompanied by research. The leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation set the task to work out the machine designs and tactics of the units during field tests in areas with extreme operating conditions.

It is no secret that experts and scientists relied on the experience of predecessors. Expeditionary studies of military vehicles were one of the features and the most important components of the entire test system. The foundations of this school were laid in the very first widely known automobile races of the USSR era. By the end of 80, the system represented a well-proven and methodologically proven research mechanism. Columns of promising cars were periodically sent to extreme areas to test various indicators, especially readiness, reliability, mobility, and cross-country ability. Organizationally, the expeditions were supported by a system of supporting military units. However, in 90, all of this was broken for obvious reasons. The Ministry of Defense’s Main Armored Directorate has developed a plan for the gradual restoration of the system simultaneously with increasing efforts to develop the Arctic.

The first step was the December 2013 expedition of the year to the Kola Peninsula. Involved 25 units of wheeled and snow-swamp vehicles, more than 80 people. They marched over four thousand kilometers, conducted laboratory and road studies and autonomous runs on the Rybachy peninsula in the Murmansk region. Together with the fighters of the special operations forces, they determined the possibility of performing tasks on existing and passing military vehicle samples (BAT).

As a result, they formulated the requirements for wheeled models performed by the “HL” (with the possibility of operation at temperatures up to minus 60 degrees), tested new methods of research in the Arctic, and gained invaluable experience of interaction when performing expeditionary scientific and technical tasks.

Check revealed

The second winter expedition took place from 4 to 24 in February of 2016. It was attended by representatives of military authorities and industrial enterprises, 18 units of equipment. In particular, "Ural-53099" "Typhoon-U", KAMAZ-43502 "Patrol", "Tracol-39295" with a cargo platform, KAMAZ-53501 HL, "Ural-4320-31" HL, "Ural-63706" " Tornado-U ”with armored cab,“ Ural-Next ”wheel formula 6x6,“ Ural-Avtovoz-M ”with frame-panel cab, army snowmobiles А1 with sleds and equipped with a cabin ТТМ 1901-40, KAMAZ-5350 with an armored car. provisioning machines. Expeditionary trials started from Moscow Bronnitsy. The route goes to the city of Naryan-Mar and back. In total, the vehicle has covered more than six thousand kilometers.

These tests allowed to clarify the performance of the most promising samples in the operation in the Far North. In essence, we received a start in life of cars performed by the “HL”, requirements for military vehicles on ultra-low pressure tires were formulated and a lot more was done.

In the first expeditions, mainly wheeled vehicles were tested, then the turn of tracked samples arrived. At the coordination scientific and technical council, the Deputy Minister of Defense made the final decision to conduct the most difficult transition along Tiksi-Kotelny Island in 2017. Suffice it to say that the movement was to be in a storm, with limited visibility, on the ice.

The expedition went to eight promising models: cars on tires of ultra-low pressure “Trakol-39294” and “Trakol-39295”, tractors DT-10М with two snowmobiles in the second link, DT-30PM with a trailer, DT-10M with a body-container, GAZ -3344-20. More than 50 researchers from GABTU, NIITs AT AT 3-th Central Research Institute, engineering troops, 25-th Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the main military medical department, special operations forces, coastal troops of the Navy, industry representatives participated in this transition.

The run was the hardest. An autonomous march was completed with a convoy of snow-plowing equipment on the route Tiksi settlement - Cape Buor-Khaya - Svyatoy Nos - Bolshoy Lyakhovsky Island - Small Lyakhovsky Island - Boiler Island and back. The total length of the route was more than two thousand kilometers. In addition, four control runs were conducted with a total length of about 800 kilometers.

The temperature dropped to minus 45 degrees, the maximum wind speed at gusts reached 35 meters per second. Since for the first time in such a volume and in similar conditions the research was conducted, it is important to name them. This will provide a complete picture of the situation.

So, were tested and evaluated:

starting quality and microclimate in habitable compartments at low temperatures;
the sufficiency of the energy reserve on board for autonomous (up to three days) stay in standby mode with the accommodation of a full-time crew while maintaining the minute readiness of the equipment for the beginning of the movement;
the possibility of long-term autonomous residence of the crew in habitable compartments;
operating costs of fuels and lubricants and special fluids when driving on clear, peaty and mixed ice surfaces, on virgin snow with different density and depth;
average speeds of single samples and a snow-billowing column (mixed and tracked) when driving in various situations (with fully functional equipment, when towing a damaged car, when driving with a speed limit set);
the possibility of inspection, daily maintenance, number maintenance and routine maintenance, fitness for military repair at low temperatures and strong gusty winds up to 35 meters per second;
reliability of samples and completeness of spare parts when performing autonomous marches;
the effectiveness of lighting areas when driving at night in a blizzard with a visibility of one or two meters and the possibility of movement using a night vision device in normal conditions;
the reliability of the installed additional equipment (crane boom with electric winch, removable ramps for the snowmobile to the second link, electric panels for heating the cabin and habitable compartments, loading platforms on the roof of the first link).


Along the way, equipment was tested to determine the thickness of the ice, communications equipment, electric cable nets (for moisture and snow protection, sudden changes in temperature). Checked evacuation. The sufficiency of the set of Arctic uniforms and its convenience for work as a driver at low temperatures and gusts of wind up to 35 meters per second, visibility were evaluated.

The program of testing BAT and means of support in the complex natural and climatic conditions of the Arctic has been fully implemented.

On the tundra, without railway

During the last unique expedition, the possibilities of autonomous living of personnel and placing material and technical equipment in frame-inflatable tents, repair and maintenance of equipment in a frame-inflatable hangar were evaluated. The effectiveness of promising small-sized portable means of heating components and assemblies, individual BAT systems (in particular, heat guns and panels) has been established.

In addition, preliminary testing of a special snow and swamp vehicle was conducted on ultra-low pressure tires, and acceptance tests of the inactive trailer link to DT-30PM two-stage conveyors were carried out. The effectiveness of the changes made to the device of the two-link crawler conveyor tractor GAZ-3344-20 has been checked. As a result, it is recommended for acceptance for the supply of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

In the course of the autonomous march, the rational structure of the snow-swamp column for the transportation of property was determined. Army snowmobiles and special vehicles (on ultra-low-pressure tires) are evaluated in route exploration, construction of ice crossings and crossings using special equipment, orienteering, guarding the column. The possibility of the transfer of forces and means by existing and prospective models of snow-swamp-going BAT carrying capacity up to 50 tons was confirmed (army snowmobile А1, special vehicle "Trakol", two-link tracked transporters GAZ-3344-20, DT-10PM, DT-CTNMX, CT-CTNMXM, DT-CTNMXM. the territory of the country on the ice of the Arctic seas and the tundra zone in particularly difficult climatic and road and ground conditions.

The main directions of further development of the snow-bogging BAT and special equipment in terms of improving the parameters of autonomy, simplicity and reliability, life support at low temperatures, maintainability and mobility in the Arctic (including ice).

The results of the expedition are analyzed. Obviously, changes will be made to the requirements for snow and swamp-going vehicles, to test and research methods, and to clarify the organizational methods of future expeditions.

The Russian Federation is seriously and systematically developing the northern territories, which, as you know, have enough applicants. No wonder experts say that the wars of the twenty-first century - for resources and water - will be waged in the Arctic. But we will not give up our land and span.

From the blizzard desert to the south

Dmitry Bulgakov, Deputy Minister of Defense, Army General: “Extreme tests will continue”

The main goals and objectives of the winter expedition were to confirm the characteristics of promising and modern models of military vehicles, as well as to determine the main directions for their further development, to check constructive solutions, to gain operating experience in the regions of the Far North and the Arctic. In addition, in practice, the possibility of an autonomous march by units of the RF Armed Forces in difficult climatic and road conditions has been confirmed.

It was these tasks that determined both the choice of such a complex route, and the range of equipment. Also tested products, equipment and materials necessary for the organization of full support of military units located in the North, in isolation from the points of permanent deployment. This is a habitable module created on the basis of a container body, and promising fuels and lubricants for ultra-low temperatures, special uniforms and equipment, as well as engineering tools to ensure the fulfillment of tasks in high latitudes.

All samples generally confirmed specified requirements. Received a unique experience in the operation of equipment and organization of MTO in the Far North and the Arctic. But the most important thing is that the personnel showed high professionalism in performing an unprecedented task. The expedition was autonomous. At a considerable distance from the places of permanent deployment of military units, at extremely low temperatures (up to minus 50 degrees and wind speeds over 20 meters per second), in the absence of road infrastructure, considerable distances were covered over ice.

The practice of such tests will surely continue. An expedition is planned to be conducted in desert-sandy (at high temperatures and dusty air) and mountainous areas. Moreover, the nomenclature of equipment will constantly expand, its composition will be refined, taking into account the tasks facing the Armed Forces.
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  1. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 8 July 2017 08: 30
    0
    If you develop to the North at such a pace, you can scare Canada to the point of horror. And there is already Niagara soon.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 8 July 2017 17: 25
      +4
      Yes, with those winds and frosts, going over 2000 km is SOMETHING !!!
      They tested ammunition and uniforms, and most importantly PEOPLE !!!
      He himself served after winter training in Kazakhstan
      in Tiksi a year and a half.
      EXCELLENT MAN !!!
  2. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 8 July 2017 12: 35
    +1
    This is the Stalinist idea - to fly to America and bomb! Chkalov showed that this is possible, "Patriots are not there," the most correct way to attack.
  3. gridasov
    gridasov 8 July 2017 16: 44
    0
    Those who are even a little versed in physics understand that at low atmospheric temperatures electric machines are used, like engines. Moreover, low temperature as a potential parameter can always be used to obtain the potential difference at the power source for starting such electric motors. . ICE is a relic of the past, but the fact of underdevelopment in the present.
    1. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 8 July 2017 17: 44
      +3
      In recent years, applied science has taken a wide step in Ukraine. Many inventions and developments have been introduced. The people woke up and tumbled into science. And the low temperature makes it possible to use electric machines as engines. I’m lucky, I’m a little versed in physics and can confirm that low temperature, as a parameter of potentials on a power source, can always be used to obtain the potential difference on a power source, to start electric motors. I’ve rewritten all this, and I’d hardly have pulled such a long scientific tirade out of my head. , have the same potential difference as the North Pole.
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 8 July 2017 20: 12
        +1
        Firstly, if it is personally in relation to me, then I am not a generalized "Ukrainian". I am Odessa. Secondly, I like warmth and sunshine and do not aspire to the Arctic. But the technology of using low temperature to obtain high electron density. I can offer magnetic processes.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 8 July 2017 20: 15
          +1
          For everything else, a fool does not even have to explain that guided planning above the surface, and especially in such conditions as in the Arctic, is more reasonable than moving on wheels of contact with the surface.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 11 July 2017 01: 00
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            Quote: gridasov
            Guided planning above the surface, and especially in conditions such as in the Arctic, is more reasonable than moving on wheels that come in contact with the surface.

            In the right way - managed planning, or all sorts of fools are developing a marine fleet or railways.
            1. gridasov
              gridasov 11 July 2017 09: 43
              0
              Everything is clear with you. Keep developing. Across the Arctic by train, by boat !!!
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 July 2017 11: 39
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                Quote: gridasov
                Across the Arctic by train, by boat !!!

                On the icebreakers?
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 8 July 2017 20: 19
          +3
          Quote: gridasov
          I am Odessa.

          ... I'm from Odessa, hello! ...
        3. evil partisan
          evil partisan 8 July 2017 22: 02
          +2
          Quote: gridasov
          technology of using low temperature to obtain high electron density. I can offer magnetic processes.

          You are late Gridasov. so for 100+ years. lol
          The experiments conducted by Kamerling-Onnes with his assistants Cornelis Dorsman and Gilles Holst, initially confirmed the conclusion about a smooth decline in resistance. However, on April 8, 1911, he unexpectedly discovered that at 3 Kelvin (about −270 ° C), the electrical resistance of mercury is almost zero. The next experiment, conducted on May 11, showed that a sharp drop in resistance to zero occurs at a temperature of about 4,2 K (later, more accurate measurements showed that this temperature is 4,15 K). This effect was completely unexpected and could not be explained by the then existing theories.
          In 1912, two more metals were discovered that went into the superconducting state at low temperatures: lead and tin. In January 1914, it was shown that superconductivity is destroyed by a strong magnetic field. In 1919, it was found that thallium and uranium are also superconductors [2] [3].
          yes
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 9 July 2017 10: 46
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            Just so I do not pretend to be new in applying these effects. I do not pretend to be at all. Just saying that you can use this effect. Generally speaking, the use of direct current, but in frequency-amplitude oscillations in other planes is more efficient than, for example, the same alternating current. At the same time, we propose a methodology for controlling the algorithm of these amplitude-frequency oscillations and the main creation of a changed density of magnetic force processes. That will allow turning any difference in temperature, pressure and low-potential polarization of the circuit into a high-potential process. . I think no one has such a technology
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 11 July 2017 01: 04
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              Quote: gridasov
              Just so I do not pretend to be new in applying these effects

              It is clear that at low temperatures a higher energy storage density can be achieved. Only in order to achieve a serious improvement - the temperature should be radically low - close to absolute zero.
              But in order to store energy - it must first be worked out, how does this all explain your collision with internal combustion engines?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 11 July 2017 10: 05
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                How obvious is it that in modern, the same alternative energy, it is not a problem to obtain energy in the form of some potential difference. That is, it is present everywhere. The problem and the question is the technology for converting low-potential email. magnetic processes into high potential. Therefore, here it is necessary and important to understand the value of capacitive parameters, the essence of which lies in the fact that part of the circuit is constantly cooled naturally and this already creates an EMF, therefore it is only enough to slightly support the other polar part of the circuit to literally “match” to start the email. engine . Of course, the very same supercapacitor itself should look completely different than modern ones in order to keep the density of “charges.” As high as possible. And the electric motor itself can be both a generator and an engine. For example, any motor wheel is very easily transformed into such a device if on each of its sides a winding and a stator and a rotor are arranged in a certain way. I proposed this concept to Duyunov, but he is already in flight. Therefore, in conditions of Extreme temperatures, such engines do not need to be stopped, and combining the generator itself with the engine and in another building with a "wind generator" or a generator built on air currents, only adds to the efficiency of the work. For ICE, there are a number of problems in such conditions that make life very difficult
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 July 2017 11: 40
                  0
                  Turbid stream of consciousness.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 11 July 2017 12: 41
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                    Pancake!!!!!! You don’t understand that the same Kirlian effect forms a contour, but not linear as the stubborn people think, but spatial. Well, remember the bottle of Klein. What is its essence. This is a spatial interaction. and the Mobius strip is linear. Anyone au !. Who knows how to think in spatial images, and even in the algorithms for their transformation. Stop pretending to be a person underdeveloped. Develop your brain.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 11 July 2017 14: 31
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                      Quote: gridasov
                      You don’t understand that the same Kirlian effect forms a contour, but not linear as the stubborn people think, but spatial.

                      Ay at the gallery, it was about completely mundane things - the generation of electricity due to the temperature difference.
                      How is all the turbidity voiced by you related to the generation of energy for the Arctic all-terrain vehicle?
                      1. gridasov
                        gridasov 11 July 2017 15: 21
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                        It is useless to talk with you because you are not capable of moving from the private to the general. You do not see the technique. I have already said so much that it’s enough to add phrases of several words to the text to get the disclosed text of the methodology. . It’s clearly said to you that electric cars are more suitable for extreme conditions than ICE. Then again, twenty-five or something to repeat. Turbidity means turbidity. This is not yours.
        4. mashinist
          mashinist 10 July 2017 00: 14
          0
          And I am Odessa!
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 10 July 2017 11: 04
            0
            For me, Odessa in the world as a native person. Nevertheless, we are distinguished by some mental attributes from others.
      2. evil partisan
        evil partisan 8 July 2017 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: p-k Oparyshev
        low temperature, as a parameter of potentials at a power source, can always be used to obtain a potential difference at a power source, to start electric motors.

        laughing good drinks
        Gridasov is a block! yes
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 8 July 2017 20: 11
      +3
      Quote: gridasov
      that at low atmospheric temperatures, electric machines are used as engines.
      belay
      B..b. Lucky brain broke to eat what . I haven’t tasted it ... sad
      Quote: gridasov
      Those who understand a little bit of physics understand

      Ahhh ... Well then, it's clear ...
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 8 July 2017 20: 20
        +1
        Anyway! Do the stoves in Irkutsk, which allows you to receive email. current, and therefore the potential difference. Or I can give more examples. And here around there is just a low temperature. which cools the material. So you can create a contour in which in one part of the contour there will naturally be a “minus” and therefore a vector corresponding to the contour, and on the other part get a “plus sign”. Only here is the secret in energy density .. And what incomprehensible have I written that explodes the brain?
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 8 July 2017 20: 21
          +1
          But the brain can explode the idea of ​​how to create a multipolar circuit. Think!
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 8 July 2017 20: 23
            +1
            Actually, it makes no difference to me whether someone understands me or not. I’m not on the show and I’m not going to like anyone. The main thing is to be yourself
        2. Settlement Oparyshev
          Settlement Oparyshev 9 July 2017 05: 59
          +1
          I would immediately write the Peltier element and it became clear
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 9 July 2017 10: 52
            +1
            Just so, this is not done through the Peltier element. This is the essence that fundamentally new devices of the element base are used. These are fundamentally new induction devices combined with a high-capacity charge device. And these are generally new devices for changing the density of magnetic force flows. It is clear that the devices of Peltier elements rely on the achievement in materials science where it is necessary to select the properties of an element that allows creating a potential difference on the polar parts of the element. We are talking about a direct transformation of such processes and the possibility of achieving incredibly high levels of email density. magnetic energy without fear of breakdown to the ground.
            1. Settlement Oparyshev
              Settlement Oparyshev 9 July 2017 11: 58
              +2
              Did you go to the Maidan?
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 9 July 2017 12: 02
                0
                Well, okay. here stubborn as in wonderland, but you then live in normal conditions. Why so much stupidity? Or why think when a tongue is boneless?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 July 2017 01: 06
                  0
                  Quote: gridasov
                  Why so much stupidity?

                  Before writing about stupidity, study the law of conservation of energy.
                  1. gridasov
                    gridasov 11 July 2017 10: 16
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                    I would not call stupid the one who invented the law of conservation of energy, but think for yourself that, for example, a turbine works in such a way that the kinetic energy of a hydro-gas-dynamic flow allows you to transform the potential energy of, for example, the same air or gas (note that one word is enough to everything was clear and I’m not writing it) .. Therefore, this law instantly collapses. At the entrance to the "turbine" you get kinetic energy. and at the output, the totality of the kinetic and plus process is caused by the consequences of the potential energy extracted from it, which amplifies the kinetic energy. Everything is so simple and obvious, but at the same time fundamentally important, so as not to be scattered by such an invention, this causes a problem. After all, this is actually a fundamentally important method or technology that is applicable in so many fields of technology and industry and aviation and the space industry and nuclear energy.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 11 July 2017 11: 44
                      0
                      Quote: gridasov
                      and at the output, the totality of both the kinetic and plus process is caused by the consequences extracted from potential energy

                      The efficiency of the energy received will be less by the amount of residual kinetic and released thermal energy, the energy conservation law can not be fooled.
                      1. gridasov
                        gridasov 11 July 2017 12: 50
                        0
                        What kind of efficiency are you talking about!? we need to talk about the development of the process and its algorithms. The temperature of the "collapse" of bubbles of separated water molecules, no one can say for sure. What is the essence of cavitation!?. Moreover, cavitation does not occur superficially,. but over the entire stream array. What kind of conservation of energy balance are you talking about? The process is fed with the capacitive parameters of the incoming fuel and this balance is aligned already outside the device and the process in it. . Ie in the external environment. Yes, I agree that the general balance may have a parameter of a certain constant, but outside the process that is in the device .. It's obvious.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 8 July 2017 20: 23
        +5
        Quote: Angry Guerrilla
        Ahhh ... Well then, it's clear ...

        As those who consider themselves Odessaites like "He will not Odessa ..." negative
        Being Odessa, Yuri, is an honor. And it is clear, especially if you brought Molotov cocktails to the House of Trade Unions on 02.05.2014/XNUMX/XNUMX.
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 8 July 2017 20: 27
          0
          This is an abominable answer. What do you know about the events near the house of trade unions, just what the media pushed into you.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 8 July 2017 20: 28
            +3
            Quote: gridasov
            What do you know

            Quote: gridasov
            that the media stuffed into you.

            This is when we drank tea at the Brudershaft, are you Odessa smart guy?
          2. gridasov
            gridasov 8 July 2017 20: 30
            +1
            Unfortunately, no one has ever told the truth what was there. Everyone is trying to attach politics to these events, but it was just an expression of the brutal savagery and the dimensionless stupidity of a person, especially in the person of those young people who are brought up on the collapse of the country.
        2. evil partisan
          evil partisan 8 July 2017 20: 28
          +2
          Hi Ilyich! drinks
          Again behind enemy lines? wink How is the apple crop this year? winked Enough for us? feel
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 8 July 2017 20: 31
            +3
            Hello old robber!
            The view of the apple crop was glorious. But it rains every other day. I'm afraid that the mustache does not get ripened .... crying
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 11 July 2017 00: 58
      0
      Quote: gridasov
      Moreover, low temperature as a parameter of the potential

      Quote: gridasov
      can be used to obtain the potential difference at the power source

      Specify between what and what is the temperature difference?
      Should you read school physics before writing any nonsense?
      1. gridasov
        gridasov 11 July 2017 10: 28
        0
        Alas, this information is not available in school and even special literature on physics. The fact is that you and all others are manipulating abstract concepts in theoretical reasoning and only at a certain level of depth of understanding of processes. And it would be worth being imbued with the laws of the processes occurring in magnetic force flows, which can be analyzed and modeled. Therefore, scientists cannot even come up with an elementary induction coil on turns. so that no self-induction effects are formed. I’m sure, and you don’t know in what patterns and for what reasons such spurious effects take place. Because you do not consider linear processes with spins and rolling moments of motion. The fractality of such disturbances in depth and magnetic flux density is not considered. For many, everything is obvious very primitive and in a laminar form, and more high-potential phenomena are already “chaos”. Alas, this is not so.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 July 2017 11: 46
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          Quote: gridasov
          Alas, this information is not available in school and even special literature on physics.

          I asked you a specific question - between what and what will be the temperature difference so that energy is released? If you can’t answer this question, just say that you smoked a physics textbook.
          1. gridasov
            gridasov 11 July 2017 13: 02
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            I will answer this way. Any linear segment of the conductor or simply material has a potential difference at the ends. At least because each of them is in different relative positions relative to the center of mass of the planet or the gravitational center. Make yourself think. What are the methods for creating or enhancing such a relative potential difference at the ends of the conductor. ? One of them is the creation of a temperature difference. I hope if you are a physicist, you yourself will give examples from school textbooks. But! we created an ultrahigh potential difference by the method when one linear end of the conductor moves with a minimum speed and the other with a maximum for a certain length and speed. Ultra-high speed is achieved very quickly at a certain ratio. . And this process was strengthened by the processes of ionization and the temperature difference at the ends. The response on the shaft is not measured in efficiency. She is superunit and in this superunitness is vectorial in development. Therefore, the question is between what and what is the temperature difference, and how to get an increased magnetic flux density between two poles with different temperatures.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 11 July 2017 14: 36
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              Quote: gridasov
              At least because each of them is in different relative positions relative to the center of mass of the planet or the gravitational center.

              Why on earth? Are you going to push the ends of the conductor apart a thousand kilometers?
              Quote: gridasov
              Therefore, the question between what and what is the temperature difference

              To which you did not answer.
              Apparently there will be no answer.
              PySy Come on, invent further the perpetual motion machine.
              1. gridasov
                gridasov 11 July 2017 15: 26
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                What thousands of kilometers could I talk about if you do not even understand that there are no planets in the space of planets and there cannot be absolutely identical two points. You do not understand what is symmetry, mirroring. Then at least they remembered the commonplace truths that everything and everything in this world has its own place and significance. Well, how to justify it mathematically is not yours at all.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 July 2017 19: 02
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                  Quote: gridasov
                  if you don’t even understand that there are no and cannot be absolutely identical two points in the space of planets

                  Quote: gridasov
                  At least because each of them is in different relative positions relative to the center of mass of the planet or the gravitational center

                  You contradict yourself.
  4. HEATHER
    HEATHER 8 July 2017 20: 16
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    There is a video of the campaign. With a dodger from the Military reception. Excellent video. 4 thousand km. It is not on asphalt. Once upon a time from the Northern Baikal through Muy ridge I stomped to Yakutsk, then to Tiksi. Almost 3 months. And it was not too heat.Gaz-66 and ZIL-133.Winter, Beauty. From 28 cars 12.133 reached all of Tiksi, all 8 of them Diesel. They didn’t turn it off. .After six months, in the summer, they found all the cars and rafted According to Vitim to Mama. From there they were already under their own power to Ust-Kut. Next, a barge and Bratsk. Although from Lena (Ust-Kut) to Bratsk, nothing was killed; who wants to roll onto Baikal-Asphalt almost everywhere. But, prepare the equipment. There are moments of stone impassability.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 9 July 2017 13: 30
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      Therefore, there is a conversation about fundamentally new approaches to ensuring vitality and technology and people to think, not look for heroes
  5. Oleg1909
    Oleg1909 9 July 2017 02: 44
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    Well, it remains the "Tiger" branded in the north to release sports and it will be possible to start the tanks in the server regions ...)))
  6. Torkvat torkvat
    Torkvat torkvat 9 July 2017 06: 38
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    the author copied the article ??))) So much water in it))) 80%. You just need a photo, a map and explanations, a couple of paragraphs.
    ..
  7. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 9 July 2017 22: 28
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    Do not scold gridasova! Without him, BO is bored! laughing
  8. Setrac
    Setrac 11 July 2017 14: 37
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    Quote: gridasov
    What kind of efficiency are you talking about!? we need to talk about the development of the process and its algorithms. The temperature of the "collapse" of bubbles of separated water molecules, no one can say for sure. What is the essence of cavitation!?.

    Awww, alleee, we need to move an all-terrain vehicle, what bubbles of a divided water molecule are we talking about?
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 11 July 2017 15: 36
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      Your all-terrain vehicle is in the air. A highly dynamic air flow is elastic, which means that it has the same procedural laws as in a liquid. And that means the laminar, turbulent processes are the same. And since there is water in the air, then cavitation processes are also. and cavitation is a potential energy that can easily be converted into an added impulse of the moment of rotation of the shaft of any engine. Therefore, it is easier to fly in a cold climate zone, which means devices such as new turbines can allow you to fly at any speed in the most approximate conditions to the surface. In general, I wonder how people build aircraft and at the same time do not understand what creates the conditions for flight and that a propulsion device is a key device for creating an effective flight. This is the multipolarity of thinking that everything is important and everything is needed, but the main thing is that something is present anyway ..
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 11 July 2017 19: 04
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        Quote: gridasov
        Your all-terrain vehicle is in the air. A highly dynamic air flow is elastic, which means that it has the same procedural laws as in a liquid

        I don’t understand, did you now offer to put a sail on an all-terrain vehicle?
        Quote: gridasov
        In general, I wonder how people build aircraft and at the same time do not understand what creates the conditions for flight and that a propulsion device is a key device for creating an effective flight.

        Birds do not know wing theory and fly very well.
  9. Setrac
    Setrac 11 July 2017 19: 06
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    Quote: gridasov
    It is useless to talk with you because you are not capable of moving from the private to the general. You do not see the technique.

    Well, write an article on VO, describe your theory, we will discuss it. And it will not be offtopic.
    1. gridasov
      gridasov 11 July 2017 20: 36
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      I better go with the Australians to discuss. To communicate with Russians you need to be Russian yourself, but even I don’t have the patience. What can we talk about if there is no system knowledge that should be a reference point for expanding this knowledge, and not be an "anchor" restricting movement
  10. Radikal
    Radikal 18 January 2018 15: 39
    +1
    The article does not show whether all the samples meet the stated requirements, and what shortcomings were identified during the march! sad