Combat knife as an effective universal weapon

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Knives have long been used as weapons. The most widespread were bayonet knives, which were a very progressive design for their time. Such a knife could be used not only in hand-to-hand or bayonet fighting, but also as a universal tool, indispensable in field conditions. The design of the bayonet knives is largely determined by the need for an effective strike. Thus, it is not very different from different manufacturers. As a rule, this knife was a symmetrical long blade with a one-and-a-half or two-sided sharpening. The handle had a developed guard. Also, the knife was equipped with fastening elements to the weapon.

Despite the fact that the bayonet was inferior to the needle blades in many of its characteristics and effectiveness, but it was universal. The blade was long enough. Sometimes these knives performed additional functions. So, for example, the front part of the blade was made expanded, which made it possible to expand the chopping capability of the weapon.

In the process of developing firearms, the tendency to increase the length of the blade began to prevail. The bayonets of the great length of the times of the First World War were explained by the need to have weapons no shorter than those of the enemy. In addition, a rifle with a bayonet was often used during a bayonet attack in order to reach the enemy in hard-to-reach places, for example, at the bottom of the trenches.

When new, more effective types of weapons appeared, it became clear that such a design could not withstand criticism. A weapon equipped with a long bayonet lost its maneuverability. Therefore, there is a need to find new weapons.

So they began to use traditional types of cold arms, for example, daggers, stylized as Caucasian, which were used by the Russian army.

The French armed forces began to shorten faceted bayonets, which were intended for Lebel rifles, and also used trench knives made independently of thick wire. It was also envisaged that the handle of such an improvised knife could be used as a knuckle. Such weapons quickly spread in other armies of the world.

Combat knife as an effective universal weapon


During the First World War, when the need for trench knives arose, a large number of firms began their production. Most of these knives practically did not differ from each other - the length of the blade was about 15 centimeters, one-sided sharpening, the presence of corrugated wooden lining on the handle. Somewhat different from all the DEMAG trench knife, having a curved metal handle, with which the knife could be easily attached to a carbine or rifle.

In the American army appeared quite effective stilettos, the arms of which were made in the form of brass knuckles. These knives are well suited for trench combat, and they can be used for striking through thick clothing. Later, this type of cold weapon had to be abandoned, preferring a dagger-type blade. They began to make brass knuckles and not so powerful. But despite this, this type of weapon did not spread until the Second World War, when British special forces began using it. It was a Fairbain-Sykes dagger with a blade about 18 centimeters and a weight of 270 grams.



Since the blade was rather long and narrow, it was most often used for thrusting. The knife had a spindle-shaped handle with a small guard. Provided also the possibility of hidden carrying such a knife. Despite the fact that such a knife had a narrow scope, however, it was very popular not only among British soldiers, but also their allies. A dagger of this type were armed with French paratroopers. A similar design was maintained in the combat knives of the MARK II, which is produced by Gerber.



Among the innovations it is necessary to note the strengthening of the cutting functions, in particular, the presence of cutters. And since the handle of the knife is made of aluminum alloy, this makes it possible to apply shocking blows with the end face.



No less interesting is the USMC knife produced by KA-BAR. Most often, this knife was used among the marines. He gained recognition not only because of his combat functions, but also his versatility. It should be noted that it is still very popular, in which constructive simplicity and versatility play an important role. The design of the knife is nothing complicated: it is a fairly wide blade, which has a one-sided sharpening and sharpening bevel, a small guard, a dial-up leather handle with a metal top and leather sheath. This model of knife received baptism during the years of the Second World War, and is still used, to be sure, in other modifications.

During World War II, the concept of manufacturing combat knives remained virtually unchanged. As before, well-established forms were used, the only thing that has changed is the use of a metal scabbard. This made it possible to wear knives not only at the waist, but also to attach them to equipment or uniform.



The most famous type of knives of this type is the Puma melee knife. Its handle was made of bakelite plastic, which was distinguished by its strength. Despite being designed as a combat weapon, due to its slightly curved blade, it could be used as a field knife. In 1942, the V-42 infantry knife appeared in the German troops. This knife was made by stamping and did not have a cross. Its handle was wooden. Also in the German parachute troops and field divisions, Luftwaffe combat knives appeared, which resembled trench knives of the First World War with a double-sided blade sharpening. However, the pilots' folding knife turned out to be the most suitable in the course of combat operations. Its main purpose was to free it from slings and belts in case the parachute gets entangled in the branches of trees. The British adopted a similar idea and ordered George Iberson & Co. to manufacture the same knives, only with minor changes.

At the end of the last century it became clear that the bayonet is no longer an effective weapon that would be used as a bayonet. For the most part, such a weapon is used as a knife. Therefore, fastening elements only interfere in the process of application. Therefore, many countries have begun to address this problem. So, the American uniforms offered a new combat knife based on the bayonet. They practically changed its design, just removed the extra elements. Finnish firms as close as possible to the design of the combat knife to the classic Finnish. A little later, removing the fasteners, they also proposed a more successful model - M-95, which is a convenient universal knife.



In addition to the Finns, Swedish special forces also use such cold arms. However, at the moment, no army in the world could completely abandon the bayonet.



So, in the US military, the M-9 bayonet is used, very much like the bayonet used for AKM machines. In England, the original SA80 design was created, in which combat effectiveness was enhanced by putting additional functions behind the sheath. It is impossible to completely abandon them, because, for example, in the same M-9 model, wire can be eaten with the help of a blade-sheath joint (there is a special protrusion). On the sheath there is a folding saw. Thus, this bayonet is more like a tool for survival than a cold weapon for special purposes.

Today, the main trend in the design of combat knives is to combine them with knives for survival. Therefore, very often one model can be presented in two forms.



For example, the Glok combat knife has an extremely simple structure, which includes a metal guard, a blade with a slight bevel, a plastic handle, in which there is a small hole, closed by a plug. Plastic sheath is equipped with a spring lock.

There is another model of this knife, differing only in the fact that there is a double-row saw on the butt. This knife became the basis for the creation of the knife OC-4, which was adopted by the special forces of Russia.

Another direction in the creation of combat knives is simplified models. So, the most simple in design are the Swedish knives Fallkniven, the blade of which has a one-piece shank that runs along the entire length of the handle. The handle itself is made of rubber with plastic lugs. Shank metal is used to deliver shocking blows. A certain part of the manufacturers, for example, the American company EK uses a cord wound in several layers as a handle. Another option is to use a patch handle. Recently, this design is becoming increasingly popular because the knife is more durable and easy to manufacture.

Modern combat knives are less focused on stabbing, as the appearance of body armor made it ineffective. Therefore, the length of the blades of modern combat knives is approximately 15-18 centimeters, and in some of the most advanced models, 12-14 centimeters. Accordingly, the dimensions of the guard were reduced, since there was no need for a strong thrust. Battle damage is mainly applied to the limbs, neck and groin. The increased width of the blade makes it possible to increase blood loss, even with a small wound. A striking example of such knives - IMPACT, manufactured by KA-BAR.



The use of combat knives in modern conditions has declined significantly, but has not disappeared at all. Indeed, the appearance of silent weapons made it possible to solve a large number of combat missions in which cold weapons were used before, but even such modern weapons cannot completely replace the use of knives.

The use of combat knives is indispensable during the conduct of hostilities in the conditions of underground utilities, the city, vehicles, that is, in those cases when using firearms is dangerous or inconvenient. That is why there appeared diminished models of combat cold weapons, designed for use in such conditions. Despite the fact that they are not so versatile, their advantage is the small size. These are usually small daggers with a blade length not exceeding 10-11 centimeters, with double-sided sharpening. In the manufacture of such models, special attention is paid to the possibility of their hidden wearing.

Some knives are designed as throwing weapons for short distances (approximately 3 meters). Such models are widely used by representatives of security structures.

Separate from the rest is a group of knives made of non-metallic materials. The emergence of this type of weapon was the natural result of increased security. They are often made of plastic and designed to deliver a thrust. Some models have a wave-like blade sharpening. And although this greatly limits the cutting properties of weapons, however, such weapons are great for use in guerrilla warfare, when the parties do not have sufficient protective equipment. In addition, this weapon is traditional, most often it is used by professionals who know exactly what kind of force and place to strike in order to be as effective as possible.



Today, with an increase in the diversity of combat situations, the design features of combat knives are also changing. Manufacturers are trying to create models with enhanced combat performance. For example, the knife MARK VATAC, produced by the American company Masters of Defense, is equipped with two horns on the guard, folded forward. They not only help to knock out the enemy’s weapons, but they themselves have an amazing power. On the handle there are special spraying that allows you to keep the weapon even in gloves. Recall that something similar was previously used in the design of Japanese knives, when the handle was covered with shark skin.

Thus, a combat knife is one of the simplest and at the same time the most advanced types of weapons that mankind invented during its entire existence. To date, there are a large number of different models: Gerber LHR, Recon Force, Bowie II, Glock, Ka-Bar, km5000, M07 Sissipuukko, M95 Sissipuukko, Rambo Signature Edition, SOG and many others. And very often, the life of if not the whole group performing a combat mission, then at least one person will depend on the right choice of a combat knife. To argue about which knife is better — meaningless — it all depends on the personal preferences of each individual warrior taken.
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  1. schta
    +1
    28 February 2012 09: 10
    In the last picture, the knife is quite cartoony. Where with this? laughing
    1. +1
      28 February 2012 13: 55
      Quote: schta
      In the last picture, the knife is quite cartoony. Where with this?


      it’s convenient to open the bottles ...
  2. Novosibirsky
    +9
    28 February 2012 09: 16
    "Question: What is needed for a special forces soldier to engage in hand-to-hand combat? Answer: he must lose an assault rifle, lose a pistol, lose a knife, lose a belt, remain naked, and meet a second of the same fucking @ ba!"
    © Sergey Badyuk

    About the same thing can be said about the combat use of a knife in a modern conflict. Only for silent removal of the sentry, but PBS is more reliable. So .., open canned food, but mask with a knife, no more ...
    1. Neighbor
      +3
      28 February 2012 11: 28
      In the taiga, forest, mountains - without a knife - not survive. The thing is necessary and very useful.
      Regarding firearms: if there is $ - buy Dominator Umarex - 8-charge automatic fool - pneumatics with preliminary pumping of the tank up to 400 atm. The charge is enough for 60-100 shots. Caliber 4,5mm. The strength of the shot is higher than that of Makarov. Bullet departure speed - 480m / s.
      It costs 29.000r. + optics - 300 rub. - from 100 meters - the duck will pierce from head to ass pierces. Through automobile glass - a person will be killed. Dry pine - 5 cm. - to fly. Absolutely legal - no permissions are needed.
      Of the singly charged - Hatsan - piston. Bullet speed - 420m / s. 7000 RUR + optics.
      And even easier - you take a pipe with a diameter of 1-1,5 cm. With walls of 5 mm. - on the one hand - you do ext. screw the thread and bolt. 2 pipes. you drill a fool 2 mm. You buy a fraction in a store, powder / match heads crumble. On the bed - it turns out 2-barrel - a sawn-off shotgun. In a raw tree (through the bark), see a fraction of 3-4 enters - a person will probably get through.
      500 rubles is a pleasure.
      1. Novosibirsky
        0
        28 February 2012 12: 02
        Why did you tell me all this? !! )) No, thanks of course, but why? )))
        1. nmd_1
          0
          28 February 2012 12: 36
          He told his neighbor laughing And so on pneumatics, infa is interesting, but this is probably a must-have.
          1. Novosibirsky
            -1
            28 February 2012 12: 39
            Yes, probably next door)) Will do. Thank you, Neighbor. I agree, on pneumatics an interesting infa, you need to take a closer look.
          2. Neighbor
            -2
            28 February 2012 12: 42
            No licenses and permits for pneumatics imported into the territory of the Russian Federation with a caliber of up to 4,5 mm are required. Sold freely at any oh. store. Naturally passport and + 18 years.
            And he told so simply. Below they complained that they could not buy a firearm. Here is a decent replacement for a firearm. Toko is not affordable for everyone. 29.000 + optics + causals = 40.000r.
            Umarex Dominator - German by the way. Suitable for hunting hares, ducks, deer. There are models in caliber up to 10mm. - you can even go on a bear with them even. But the caliber is more than 4,5 mm. requires the same license as a firearm. Although for self-defense and hunting / outdoor entertainment - 4,5 mm is quite enough. wink
            To communicate with the police, if you went to nature to shoot, and they got to the bottom of what it is, you just need to have a passport of this product, certified by the seal of the seller’s store, in which everything is written: No. of the article of the law authorizing this product to be in your hands is certified what is licensed. They have no rights to take it from you, well, of course, if you just didn’t hunt, since what do you need to hunt? That's right - a hunting ticket. And for banks, bottles, sparrows and people belay (joke) - this is, shoot, I don’t want to!
            1. Novosibirsky
              -2
              28 February 2012 12: 51
              Fumble in injuries?
              1. Neighbor
                -2
                28 February 2012 14: 18
                The only more or less trauma is the Wasp. The rest - bullshit, through a T-shirt, jacket - you do not even feel. And the Wasp - yes - it breaks ribs 2-3. The bruise on the plate goes away for a month. But it’s dangerous if you cripple / kill the moron of some drunk - they’ll put him in prison. For self-defense, the best thing is pneumatics, a 5000r pistol shoots 3-4 times a foot in the leg, again, an eye-temple-throat, and a corpse, an aerosol pistol (like a pepper spray - that’s nothing too, I sprayed myself drunk once into my face, for the sake of interest - for half an hour life stopped for me, it's good still at home, the water was nearby) - for 3 meters 10 shots and costs 800 rubles, but the best thing is to have fast legs and after 9-10 - do not stagger around the streets and do not drive drunk and more than 1.
                1. Novosibirsky
                  0
                  28 February 2012 14: 40
                  Yes, I have a different misfortune, people like me)), but dogs don’t have much. Zadolbali! I run in the evenings through the woods, in the suburbs, for two months in two attacks, and I had to comb one owner against the hair, a radish. It’s understandable for a person, it’s easier with him, but I tell you the dogs, this is an extremely unpleasant thing. And it was lucky that one young Rottweiler was caught, inexperienced, and the second was some shaggy, healthy as a prison, the dog knows what kind of breed it is. In general, both are not trained, but they behaved extremely unfriendly. )) And if the dog is an adult and trained, drain the water, cripple. I would defuse the FAQ in them, but I don’t know exactly what to take, I thought about Osa, I also heard that she was fierce to blow, but what about her noise? Loud, can scare a dog?
                  1. Novosibirsky
                    -1
                    28 February 2012 15: 00
                    I looked on YouTube. It fits perfectly. Noisy, smoke, blow. Yes, what you need. I’ll probably take it with LCU so that I don’t miss the mark in the bun.
                    Something was a memory of the fact that the cartridge has become less powerful now, and allegedly the price is therefore the old cartridges. Who is in the subject? Tell me, is this so?
                  2. Neighbor
                    -1
                    28 February 2012 15: 00
                    Against dogs, a pepper gun / spray can - perfect. Stop any dog ​​by 120% - they have a scent, God forbid. And then a jet in the face of such filth + eyes. Not only that, the dog will lose 90% of its life-time scent after this.
                    They rub their feet with pepper, knock down the track from the dogs - they probably read it. Pistol - 10charged pepper, 3 meters beats, 800r. worth it. Cheap, cheerful and the dog is alive. wink With a host of problems less.
                    And then pneumatics / trauma against the Rottweiler may not help. There were cases in the pit bulls of 8 bullets from a combat Makarov planted to kill. They feel weak pain. + Angry, furious. + you can miss a bullet or ricochets against a skull.
                    And pepper - ideally - even if it has already clung to - in the face - gave a stream of eyes and nose - it just Ofueet and will run away.
                    1. Novosibirsky
                      -1
                      28 February 2012 15: 02
                      Thanks.
                  3. nmd_1
                    0
                    29 February 2012 09: 50
                    Against a dog, like a shocker, a good thing, they shy away from a simple discharge. Although, maybe just advertise.
                    1. Novosibirsky
                      -1
                      29 February 2012 19: 20
                      Pit bull adult, I think, will not stop. If the shocker is small (into a fist) it’s scary, you will stretch out a hand with it to meet your mouth, you lost your brush if you miss it. And running with a long shocker is inconvenient, with a stick then. ))) Probably a balloon or injury nevertheless ...
              2. 0
                1 March 2012 14: 30
                Quote: NovoSibirets
                Fumble in injuries?

                A bit about injuries http://www.popmech.ru/article/8197-spilite-mushku/scoreid/1137/
            2. 0
              28 February 2012 14: 01
              If you purchase pneumatic weapons with a muzzle energy of more than 3 joules, but not more than 7,5 joules and a caliber of not more than 4,5 mm, then a license is not required for its acquisition (paragraph 4 of article 13 of the Federal Law “On Weapons”). To purchase pneumatic weapons with a muzzle energy of more than 7,5 joules, but not more than 25 joules and a caliber of 4,5 mm and above, a license and a hunting ticket are required (para 1 and para 6 of article 13 of the Federal Law “On Weapons”). In established practice, a license for the right to own and acquire hunting pneumatic weapons is issued only after obtaining a license for hunting weapons.
              ==

              I really can’t translate joules into meters per second ...
              1. Neighbor
                -2
                28 February 2012 15: 12
                About Joule. Yes, more than 7,5 j. - a license is needed. And rifles have 50-60J energy bullets, but no permissions are needed. I will explain why.
                Foreign manufacturers are aware of this limitation, and supply us with piston-spring rifles with weakened springs. / or with a drilled hole in the cylinder. But!!! Included with the purchased rifle - lies the original factory spring - at 50J. And the buyer arriving home - simply removes the weakened spring, and puts his own - at his own peril and risk - since the store sold him - weakened. In the case of a piston - a new piston is installed - without a hole. All responsibility rests with the buyer - the owner of the rifle. Since he himself redid it. But it’s safe, of course - if you kill someone, it will be aggravating.
                Now I’ll explain about rifles with preliminary pumping up to 400 Atm. - the bullet departure speed is 490m / s. almost 2 sounds. . The most powerful. More powerful than Makarov. The documents on them indicate that the working pressure is 7,5J. Roughly speaking, 20 Atm. About the maximum allowable pressure there is not a word said. BUT!!!! A pressure gauge is installed on the rifle itself, which allows you to control the pressure inside the cylinder, while pumping too. AND THE MAXIMUM pressure is 400 Atm.
                In general, for any law - our enterprising businessmen find their loopholes.
                Another type - without a pressure gauge - there, 3 times it is necessary to pump the pump according to the documents - for 1 shot - single-shot. And people pump up 12 times.
                1. guessed
                  0
                  28 February 2012 15: 31
                  A neighbor ... for less enthusiasm and a ballistic calculator in your hands.
                  Almost all pneuma with a caliber of 4.5 mm and a bullet weight of up to 1 g have an energy of not more than 30 j.
                  The data that the manufacturers give about the speeds were obtained on bullets unknown to science .... these are not even caps .... If you use normal bullet weights of 0.5-0.6 g, its initial speed, which on the PSP. Which on the IFR does not exceed 300m \ s ...
                  So, with 50 joules, you started.
                  Such energy corresponds to a caliber of 5.5 mm, and this is already quite a serious hunting weapon for small game and bird ... And what is important is almost noiseless and extremely accurate.
                  To get a raven in the head at 50m, having good optics and skill, is not difficult enough ...
                  PS ... if we talk about PSP ... that is, the very dominator ... It’s better to take Edgan for the money .... And it looks excellent and the workmanship is excellent and it shoots amazingly ...
                  http://edgun.ru/cat/guns.php
                  here you can see ...
                  1. Neighbor
                    -2
                    28 February 2012 15: 55
                    I looked. Edgan has a 200 Atm tank, Dominator has 400 Atm. There is a difference? Yes, and the Dominator looks more abrupt than 2 times. As for Joules, they are fundamentally important only if the stopping effect of the target is needed. In my opinion, penetration and penetration are more important. Therefore, the bullets are different - stupid (stopping), round (accurate) and pointed (piercing). + Bullets are super heavy - UltraMagnum. Have you heard about the effect of diesel? If you put oil (Gamo) on the skirt of such a bullet, when fired, the bullet gets an initial speed of 490 m / s and energy up to 60 J due to the effect of a diesel engine. By the way, this effect has been used for a long time in a certain brand of rifles, I don’t remember the name exactly.
                    1. guessed
                      +1
                      28 February 2012 17: 55
                      Yes, at least 500 atm ustl is crammed into it ... In the barrel, the pressure is still in the region of 100-150 atm ... So, in this case, the Umarex increased the number of shots, not the quality ... And FSE ... only you try manually swing these 400 atm ... I’d better 2 times each 200 swing ..
                      Dominator is a dull plastic guano in comparison with Edgan ... For this, they need to be seen not in pictures, but live and nearby. I saw them and shot them. And you?
                      Shl ... What kind of breakdown and stopping ability of a bullet weighing 1 g and a caliber of 4.5 mm are you talking about? Is this a joke of humor? Or seriously? Have you ever shot pneuma? A lead bullet is deformed when it gets into a dense fabric, even though flat, even round, even sharp ... I tell you this as a hardball player. But steel balls of 4.5 mm caliber have a sticking ability ... Our soldier got such a ball in an unprotected place and went 5 cm into the body ... Yes, and from myself I picked them out a couple of times .... The ball struck a double dense knitted gloves and went completely into the finger ....
                      About diesel .... YES diesel engine a couple of times, and then change the cuff ...
                  2. Pu239
                    0
                    28 February 2012 22: 21
                    Or competitors wink with recharging kalibrgun.ru
                2. Neighbor
                  -1
                  28 February 2012 17: 35
                  What the .......... everyone just passed and put down the cons? am angry
                  1. nmd_1
                    0
                    29 February 2012 09: 56
                    That's for sure. for me already walked twice, although maybe the man decided that the flood began smile
    2. 0
      28 February 2012 13: 56
      in fact, the knife has long been playing the role of not a weapon, but a tool .. in this sense, without a knife, nowhere ...
    3. nok01
      0
      28 February 2012 14: 45
      As Abdula said from the movie "White Sun of the Desert": "A dagger is good for the one who has it, and bad for the one who does not have it in the right time."
  3. 0
    28 February 2012 09: 28
    Thank! An interesting review. I would even like to see a selection of the best survival knives or scout knives
  4. 0
    28 February 2012 09: 33
    Quote: schta
    In the last picture, the knife is quite cartoony. Where with this?

    Yes, they only have to open beer bottles.
  5. 0
    28 February 2012 09: 42
    When will we already abolish the idiotic law on knives? !! (generally silent about the firearm ...)
    To this day, a kitchen knife remains a weapon of mass destruction, and in any tent you can buy starting from the Chinese and ending as close as possible to a combat knife! fool
    1. Eugene
      +1
      28 February 2012 10: 14
      Do you want that at night, when in the dark you go by electric train through the woods, a group of 5-6 Tajiks come up from behind, one without saying a word shot in the back of the head from behind a purse with 3 thousand and a smartphone?
      And if the guys are grated, and they have money for 3 trunks and also from an ambush? You can shoot and fight very well, but you have no chance against this.
      Relatively speaking, you can buy at least a glock, but 3 comrades with PM shooting from the bushes will not leave you a chance.

      In our area, a gang of handymen from Central Asia killed several people with a piece of pipe, attacking at night from an ambush. It's just that without saying a word they attacked from the back and that's it.

      Therefore, I am against permission to fire.
      1. Neighbor
        -2
        28 February 2012 11: 43
        Yes, firearms in Russia and in the hands of the population are too much. Too many drunk, sick, bandits, drug addicts. There is no such responsibility and culture as in the West. You can still fight off a knife - survive from a wound, hardly a bullet. I would not want where I live - people walked the streets with guns. At any moment, someone's roof can go on the basis of drunkenness / drugs - or by nature - a fool and unavoidable troubles. Not to mention the gopot and bandits.
        1. +4
          28 February 2012 13: 52
          Quote: Neighbor
          Too many drunk, sick, bandits, drug addicts.
          And no one proposes to distribute weapons to these categories of citizens. After all, when obtaining a driver's license you need to pass a medical examination? And here you need to make a medical examination, only tougher, coping from the district police officer. Understand, Neighbor, a legal weapon registered with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, weapons with samples in the bulletproof library DO NOT FIR SIMPLY THIS, because this is a 100% verdict! And if a person has lost his mind from drunkenness, etc., he will poison people, chop with an ax, prick with a pitchfork, etc. He will find a way. And personally, I think that it is unfair when the bandits (as well as the deputies and some other categories of citizens) already have weapons in their hands, while the majority of normal, law-abiding, but SIMPLE citizens do not. But criminals use unregistered weapons, and, therefore, do it without hesitation. then I recommend to all "pacifists" to read Nikonov's book "Hello, weapon!", maybe your views on this problem will change.
          1. Novosibirsky
            0
            28 February 2012 14: 32
            Quote: revnagan
            And no one offers to distribute weapons to these categories of citizens

            And no one hopes that they will be issued a license. The trunks stupidly begin to forget in a taxi, like telephones, cut off in girls on a trolley, forget in manicure rooms, lose, etc., a short time. Who needs it, it’s just starting to work on them, as soon as the movement starts, be sure.
          2. 0
            28 February 2012 18: 44
            Of course, you can kill or maim a person with a stool, but, you see, the efficiency of a pistol is incomparably higher. I am far from a pacifist, I am familiar with weapons and I love them, but when in our country an officer of the Ministry of Internal Affairs could shoot unarmed people, I involuntarily have to think about how effective all these medical commissions are, what then is up to the rest, mere mortals, with a "gun" in his pocket ...
            1. +1
              28 February 2012 21: 53
              Quote: Per se.
              Interior Ministry officer could shoot unarmed people
              This is an exceptional case, there’s nothing to do with it. Airplanes also crash, ships sink, railroad disasters happen, gas and gas cylinders explode. Let's ban all of this! After all, dozens or even hundreds of people die at once! What is the efficiency! Let's take away the weapons ALL employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs have it! So, just in case! Let them fight criminals with karate-kungfu?
              No! If the state is not able to disarm the criminals, let it give me the opportunity to be armed too! And the fact that the trunks will start to be scattered, as Novosibirets writes, will not be so. I didn’t lose my team, I didn’t forget the weapon. Because it is inevitably a court and a prison. You don’t forget to forget a mobile phone in a minibus.
              1. 0
                28 February 2012 23: 23
                It’s hard to argue that in the same car crashes over ten years, more people died than during the war in Afghanistan, but there is a difference between accidental losses and inevitable. Take the topic of the article, it is about edged weapons, more precisely, combat knives. In close combat, a knife is more dangerous than a pistol, not everyone understands this, considering that with a knife only clean pencils and open canned food. Will you be more comfortable with a knife if the criminals attack you with beer bottles, or with a gun if the villains have only knives? Do you think it’s enough to get the trunk, it’s even better to shoot for the wit, they will be guessed and run away? Alas, whoever needs a gun will be found on your gun, the aggressor is always in a better position, because of surprise, and because bandits are not limited by morality and law. It is not weapons that foster responsibility, but morality. The bandits are already with weapons, but they will never become more responsible from this, and you and I, with a gun or an assault knife, can get a considerable term for the death or mutilation of stoned thugs with baseball bats. It is necessary to raise the law and culture in the country, and not provoke law-abiding citizens to become like criminals.
                1. 0
                  29 February 2012 17: 08
                  Quote: Per se.
                  and you and I, with a gun or an assault knife, can get a considerable term for the death or mutilation of stoned scumbags with baseball bats.
                  The fact of the matter is that in the case of the illegal use of a pistol or assault knife to scumbags with bats, we break the law, and even protecting our life and health, we will automatically become criminals. But in the case when we use legal, registered weapons for self-defense By doing this by law, we are not to blame for anything, but the dead or crippled bandit is to blame.
                  1. 0
                    29 February 2012 18: 01
                    support
                    Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 37. Necessary defense
                    1. It is not a crime to harm an infringing person in a state of necessary defense, that is, in the protection of the individual and the rights of the defending or other persons protected by law, the interests of society or the state from socially dangerous assault, if this encroachment was associated with violence dangerous to the life of the defending or other person , or with an immediate threat of such violence.
                    2. Protection from infringement, not associated with violence, dangerous for the life of the defending or other person, or with an immediate threat of such violence, is legitimate, if the limits of the necessary defense were not exceeded, that is, deliberate actions that are clearly not appropriate to the nature and danger encroachment.

                    2.1. Do not exceed the limits of the necessary defense of the defending person, if this person, because of the unexpectedness of the encroachment, could not objectively assess the degree and nature of the danger of the attack.

                    3. The provisions of this article are equally applicable to all persons, regardless of their professional or other special training and official position, as well as regardless of the possibility to avoid socially dangerous encroachment or to seek help from other persons or authorities.
                    so that the law gives us the right to defend ourselves against the criminal. the main thing is not to cross the line
                  2. +1
                    29 February 2012 19: 09
                    Everyone who advocates the legalization of arms sales, somehow one-sidedly presents the situation, namely, only they will have weapons, and everyone who buys weapons, they will certainly be decent people. Why do you think that having bought the coveted trunk, you will be more protected? Yes, as they said, Sam Colt made men equal, but then do not expect that you will even manage to get your own miracle weapon by stumbling upon teenagers with a daddy’s gun, or a drunk troglodyte who stupidly wants to go around waving a legal machine gun. A weak pistol will not make anyone stronger, who hasn’t shot, let him serve in the army or the police, and I don’t want to go with arms in peacetime and be afraid that my child will be shot at school or from the window of a neighboring house. Security in society is not decided by personal weapons.
                2. 0
                  29 February 2012 17: 56
                  well, if they order you specifically, then they really will find it; no gun can help here. but you count on protection from a random jerk
        2. SIT
          +4
          28 February 2012 14: 01
          Quote: Neighbor
          You can still fight off a knife - survive from a wound, from a bullet - hardly

          Quote: Neighbor
          Not to mention the gopot and bandits.

          Poking with a knife and getting out of a gun is 2 big differences. To confidently get into an extreme situation under the adrenaline you need to shoot 50-70 rounds per week. Don’t feed the drunk, sick and drug addicts just let them spend money on cartridges and shoot in an expensive shooting gallery. Elsewhere it is painfully loud. If you never shot from a pistol, then it is better to take a larger model in order to throw it on a grand scale and lay it in place.
          In 2009, 255 trunks were wanted in the Russian Federation. So there is no need to worry about the bandits - they already have enough weapons. Moreover, the lion's share of these criminal trunks is a military automatic weapon that will never be sold anywhere in stores.
          1. Novosibirsky
            -2
            28 February 2012 14: 46
            Quote: SIT
            So there is no need to worry about the bandits - they already have enough weapons.

            Bandit bandit strife! Organizational representatives have waves only, but they do not need to scorch lanes for a hat or a telephone on the side streets. Chaluponi has no bagpipes yet, thank God. This brother should not be allowed to arms, but inadequate to what type of Breivik, so that he wouldn’t sell any Muslims for virgin.
            1. SIT
              0
              28 February 2012 14: 56
              Quote: NovoSibirets
              Chaluponi has no bagpipes yet, thank God. This brother is not allowed to arms, but inadequate to what type of Breivik

              Will Chalupon go to dump a lot of money for the trunk, on which he will be found the next day? Shooting from a registered trunk is like leaving a passport at the crime scene. And inadequate Breivik fired from a hunting carbine. You can buy a carbine much better at any weapons store.
              1. Novosibirsky
                -3
                28 February 2012 15: 16
                Quote: SIT
                Will Chalupon go to dump a lot of money for the trunk, on which he will be found the next day?

                She won’t dump anything. He will buy from the People's Commissar tweezers for the dose, a pink walther, which he cut off in the morning at the bus stop at the chick. And in the evening they will make a hole out of it, how to give a drink. This is not Red Bull, this weapon inspires! )))

                Quote: SIT
                Shooting from a registered trunk is like leaving a passport at the crime scene.

                From someone else’s, easy. Look for the wind in the field.


                Quote: SIT
                And inadequate Breivik fired from a hunting carbine.

                He had a Glock-34 and an Ruger Mini-14 assault rifle.
                But he has it, and how many people like him are his mother in Russia?
                1. SIT
                  0
                  28 February 2012 17: 15
                  Quote: NovoSibirets
                  She won’t dump anything. He will buy from the People's Commissar tweezers for the dose, a pink walther, which he cut off in the morning at the bus stop at the chick. And in the evening they will make a hole out of it, how to drink to give

                  The girl will immediately report to the police, and the pink walther is not a pink logan. They may not even search for a car, but they will rise behind the trunk and begin to shake the district. Yes, and better to pinch her purse with Papic bucks than the trunk. It still needs to be sold and an extra article runs up for illegal arms trafficking. A pinch is such a qualification that he does not need too much.
                  Quote: NovoSibirets
                  He had a Glock-34 and an Ruger Mini-14 assault rifle.

                  He simply could not buy Saigu MK-03 anywhere. And then I would have taken out another store from the AK hundredth series under the NATO cartridge, redid the feeder a bit and filled 30 rounds as if in combat. Saiga and U-turns and hide more convenient.
                  1. Novosibirsky
                    0
                    28 February 2012 20: 03
                    Quote: SIT
                    They may not even search for a car, but they will rise behind the trunk and begin to shake the district.

                    Imagine for a second how the police are guarding ... using these signals to carry out operational measures! Moreover, with a predetermined result. Yes, they will close everything with unsubscriptions in half a year. Into the box until it lights up for slaughter! All the "lost" will settle on the pockets.
                    Noooo, "This is not Rio de Janeiro" ...))

                    Quote: SIT
                    Yes, and better to pinch her purse with Papic bucks than the trunk.

                    This is the right pinch, and their trace has caught a cold. Now the drug is plucked in 99% of cases, but you yourself understand that the devil himself is not a brother.

                    Quote: SIT
                    It still needs to be sold
                    \
                    Are you sure you live in Russia, SIT? Taxi drivers for what? Petty crime. The risk will be clear, but to this special contingent .., see above.

                    Quote: SIT
                    A tweezer is such a qualification that he does not need too much

                    Oh, I'm sorry, but you are far from the street, SIT ... Everything that changes in a dose is a matter! The days of Gleb Zheglov have passed ...
                  2. 0
                    29 February 2012 18: 09
                    I support. when allowing short-barreled firearms, it is necessary to supplement with other measures, including a change in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - nowadays, illegal acquisition and abduction are treated quite frivolously, including the purchasers-kidnappers themselves. to give "pranks" for 10-15 years in a colony for the same, and punish the "girls-heifers" themselves for improper carrying of weapons - let them keep them at home, and not carry them in a purse, drunk
          2. 0
            28 February 2012 20: 46
            You dear, you probably forgot the proverb: "Bullet is a fool"!
        3. neodymium
          +2
          28 February 2012 17: 03
          And the facts say that:
          - the number of crimes with the use of firearms in ALL countries, after its resolution declining.
          - and vice versa, after tightening, the number of crimes with the use of increases. a shotgun.

          Moldovans, Latvians, Lithuanians, Bulgarians and others own nothing, and Russians - cattle, drunk, they do it?
          Very interesting position!
          Do you often hear about crimes using a hunting smoothbore, and even a rough one?

          Here, for example, some interesting statistics and facts by country:
          http://guner.ru/podborka-faktov-o-grazhdanskom-oruzhii/
          1. Novosibirsky
            -3
            28 February 2012 17: 07
            Quote: neodim
            Do you often hear about crimes using a hunting smoothbore, and even a rough one?

            They are not simply carried around in your pocket.
            For the rest later, it will be interesting to see your links.
            1. 0
              29 February 2012 18: 12
              they are kept at home, and they are also taken for hunting, both to the shooting range, and to the dacha, and even where the hell. and nothing
        4. 0
          29 February 2012 17: 50
          Quote: Neighbor
          Yes, firearms in Russia and in the hands of the population are too much. Too many drunk, sick, bandits, drug addicts. There is no such responsibility and culture as in the West. You can still fight off a knife - survive from a wound, hardly a bullet. I would not want where I live - people walked the streets with guns. At any moment, someone's roof can go on the basis of drunkenness / drugs - or by nature - a fool and unavoidable troubles. Not to mention the gopot and bandits.

          in our country, most murders in the country occur when using the simplest household items - a knife, a bottle, a stick, etc. The bandits already have weapons. cutting off the narcotics from the possibility of acquiring weapons is easy - a drug test determines their use half a year before. not a single drug can last half a year without a dose for the acquisition of weapons; fortitude is not enough. a drunkard - yes it’s more difficult, but possible. by nature a fool - well, probably a psychiatrist can help here. therefore, one should not be intimidated that everyone in Russia will rush to acquire weapons at their permission. there will be 10-15 percent of the population, but give the opportunity to defend themselves without waiting until our cops arrive
      2. Novosibirsky
        -1
        28 February 2012 12: 07
        I agree, no matter how much I would like to have Colt-1911, but I am ready to abandon it, so that others do not have it. Inadequate as dirt! Give them the trunks, the children on the street will be walking in short dashes!
        1. +2
          28 February 2012 13: 57
          Quote: NovoSibirets
          I agree, no matter how much I would like to have Colt-1911, but I am ready to abandon it, so that others do not have it.
          But others do not agree to abandon their Kolt-1911! Therefore, I believe that it will be fair if they give me the right to own at least PM.LEGAL grounds. But whether I use this right or not, this is my personal But, I repeat, the right should be for everyone, and not for certain categories of people who acquired their right to own short-barreled firearms for money.
          1. Novosibirsky
            -2
            28 February 2012 14: 51
            I’m afraid you’re not fully aware that what will begin to happen is that we have the right to short-barrels ...
            1. Neighbor
              -3
              28 February 2012 17: 07
              Mayhem be. The number of Kills will increase every 3-4 times. God forbid.
              Who has $ and brains, he and now can buy / make a trunk legally / illegally. But knowing that if he will shine it - they will put him in prison, he will not walk along the streets with him and wave him. And hide in a secluded place. There are all kinds of cases in life, This is normal. And the fact that armed dolbs will walk the streets .... - this is no longer normal. We are not America, do not be equal to them.
          2. Eugene
            -2
            28 February 2012 14: 55
            It remains then to wish you not to lose your pm.
            Otherwise, bad mb to someone else.

            I repeat what PM protects you in case of an ambush attack as I described above.

            Imagine that with the introduction of a weapons permit in the country, the number of trunks will increase by no less than a million per million (IMHO), how many of them will be lost, how many will not have time to use them if something happens. The illegal market will definitely grow.

            Further, where is the guarantee that your "normal" people will use it for its intended purpose, we have traumatic conditions for which permission is needed, there are always cases of shootings. And from the banal - one drove into the boomer of the other.
            We have no weapon culture.
            1. +1
              28 February 2012 22: 07
              The trouble is that people treat injuries as if they were a toy, they say, they’re not fighting, it’s impossible to kill from it, so, to scare them ... To combat it is a completely different attitude, by the way, the law also has.
      3. 0
        29 February 2012 17: 43
        Quote: Eugene
        In our area, a gang of handymen from Central Asia killed several people with a piece of pipe, attacking at night from an ambush. It's just that without saying a word they attacked from the back and that's it.

        Therefore, I was against gunshot permission

        then you must ban the sale of pipes. They can kill with anything, but protecting themselves from this is more difficult
  6. Hauptmannzimermann
    +1
    28 February 2012 12: 12
    I disagree with you Eugene. Having a weapon increases the chances of survival. There is a Federation of Practical Shooting, go train. Over time, it may and will allow civilians to carry short-barreled weapons. In the meantime, it is traumatic, but even with it if you have the skills, you can fight against the "gang of handymen from Central Asia". Yes
    1. Novosibirsky
      0
      28 February 2012 12: 21
      What kind of injury do you recommend?
      1. SIA
        SIA
        0
        28 February 2012 21: 40
        TT leader caliber 10x32. Only take cartridges with one bullet. I’ve already tried mine for a breakdown, a cotton blanket and 2 mattresses through and through.
    2. Eugene
      0
      28 February 2012 15: 04
      but don’t tell me how to join it? I’m very interested.
  7. vylvyn
    0
    28 February 2012 12: 26
    Our knives were not shown. And there is something to see.
    1. Novosibirsky
      0
      28 February 2012 12: 30
      And then!
      Favorite:
      "T-34" (Melita)
      and of course "Antiterror", a cult tooth!

      1. 755962
        +1
        28 February 2012 13: 21
        In free sale? And how much per unit?
        1. Novosibirsky
          0
          28 February 2012 14: 28
          Neither the first nor the second went on free sale, and were not sold as civilian cold steel. To order, for units of the FSB, and other power.
          1. 755962
            +1
            28 February 2012 15: 53
            And even the price does not sound this product?
            1. Novosibirsky
              0
              28 February 2012 16: 11
              Reliably the price is not known to me. I can guess. The first is within 150-200 Baku. Antiterror, in this version, is about 350-400.
              1. 755962
                0
                28 February 2012 16: 21
                NOT sickly to be honest what
                1. Novosibirsky
                  -1
                  28 February 2012 16: 34
                  But you have to consider that it comes with a case. Yes, and infa is not 100%. Now I’ll try to joke more precisely. Something and I really really overestimated.

                  Well, in short, there is no exact information on them. But I'm sure they are much more expensive than civilian crafts.
                  1. 755962
                    +1
                    28 February 2012 16: 59
                    On steels, of course, no information (viscosity, fluidity, hardness) is shorter in composition. It is not surprising if for specialists .....
                    1. SIA
                      SIA
                      +1
                      28 February 2012 21: 55
                      Blade Steel Data: Blade Steel Antiterror.
                  2. Tyumen
                    +1
                    28 February 2012 17: 57
                    Quote: NovoSibirets
                    complete with case.

                    ALL knives come with a scabbard. Is free.
                    1. Novosibirsky
                      0
                      28 February 2012 19: 24
                      Are grocery bags at the supermarket also free? )))
              2. Tyumen
                +1
                28 February 2012 17: 55
                Quote: NovoSibirets
                The first is within 150-200 Baku.

                I wonder how you found out the price? It was because of the price that the T-34s were not made
                neither in combat nor in civilian version. And the knife is perfect. And the reverse is the guard.
                1. Novosibirsky
                  0
                  28 February 2012 19: 28
                  Quote: Tyumen 35
                  I wonder how you found out the price?

                  Let's just say, "scraped the bottom of the barrel." ))
                  Quote: Tyumen 35
                  It was because of the price that the T-34s were not made
                  neither in combat nor in civilian version.

                  200 bucks - a decent price.
                  Quote: Tyumen 35
                  And the knife is perfect.

                  It's hard to argue. Subjectively, an iron buttplate would have been added to him. And in the "anti-terror" hole for the lanyard.
          2. SIA
            SIA
            0
            28 February 2012 21: 51
            I do not agree, look here: Antiterror
        2. olegmt
          0
          1 July 2013 16: 51
          http://dknf.ru/ sold here
  8. SIT
    +1
    28 February 2012 14: 14
    I don't know how correct it is to abandon the bayonet. Bayonet fighting is perhaps the only type of hand-to-hand combat that can be controlled at least somehow. With knives, this will be a dump, where you are not part of the unit but for yourself, tk. in such a battle, keeping the formation is meaningless and the principle of wanting to live and be able to spin has a literal meaning. And how do you even grab a knife? To do this, you need to let go of your personal weapon, and you can end up in hand-to-hand combat only because there is no time to reload. As soon as a second was formed, I changed the store, twitched the shutter and no ninja with samurai would fit. One must be able to conduct hand-to-hand combat without letting go of the weapon, and here the bayonet may not be superfluous at all. But you can't dwell on it either. It is not the weapon that kills, the man is killing. You need to be able to beat with whatever you have to - with a butt, a magazine in the throat, just a receiver, throwing the weapon in front of you with 2 hands. For this, of course, it is best to have a basic BI technique, on which to "dress" work with personal weapons.
  9. Ion coaelung
    -1
    28 February 2012 16: 55
    And do not forget about the low-noise use of the knife, it is not always safe to shoot!
  10. black_eagle
    -1
    28 February 2012 17: 05
    The knife should be in any equipment! Especially in intelligence! They can hear firearms, they will not hear shots with the silencer, so there is no guarantee that you will kill the enemy with one shot, he can scream, give a signal, etc. working with a knife certainly requires specific skills, but in skilled hands it is 100% fatal SILENT WEAPON
    1. Novosibirsky
      -1
      28 February 2012 19: 42
      Quote: black_eagle
      they don’t hear a shot, so there is no guarantee that you will kill the enemy with one shot, he can scream, give a signal, etc.

      Well, from a distance of hitting a knife, you won’t get into the head from a gun or what ?! Not an argument.
      Quote: black_eagle
      work with a knife of course requires specific skills

      That's it, that's specific. How many fighters in our army will be able to competently approach, competently remove a sentry with a knife? Exactly. Just a knife is more likely to scream the sentry! Almost pricked, screaming right away.
      1. black_eagle
        -1
        28 February 2012 20: 02
        Rotik gently palm ... and, well, then I think it’s clear
        1. Novosibirsky
          0
          28 February 2012 20: 09
          This is not an answer. Do you know the technique of this business? And if you know, you’ll understand what I’m talking about. To remove the sentry is a very delicate specialization. Very few people own it. In cinema, everything is so beautiful.
          1. black_eagle
            -1
            28 February 2012 23: 48
            It was not an answer, it was a joke, there was no conversation about the execution technique, the conversation was about the need for a knife in modern military equipment, you can argue for a long time yes or no, but still it’s too early to refuse cold steel!
            1. Novosibirsky
              -1
              29 February 2012 00: 00
              Quote: black_eagle
              It was not an answer, it was a joke

              Well sorry! )) As I should have guessed, on entih internet you know the intonation is mute! At least they would put a smile.

              Quote: black_eagle
              all the same, it’s too early to refuse cold steel!

              Holy is holy! Who refuses the weapon of last hope! So, on the AK-12, the seats for the bayonet-knife were left.
              1. black_eagle
                -1
                29 February 2012 09: 32
                Next time I will be more specific)))) drinks
          2. 0
            29 February 2012 15: 31
            When they remove the sentry, they don’t poke a knife in a movie, everything is very cruel, but effective, they cut the throat and nobody will scream.
            1. Novosibirsky
              0
              29 February 2012 19: 31
              Quote: Per se.
              they don’t poke a knife in a movie

              Poke.
              Quote: Per se.
              but effective, they cut the throat,

              Not only. It’s not so much how much they chop.

              We won’t go far:

              "Destruction of the sentry with a knife.
              Knives with a sentry are removed in the neck (throat), in the heart (under the left shoulder blade), in the kidneys, in the liver (right hypochondrium) or in the spleen (left hypochondrium).

              The opponent’s neck can be hit with both a stabbing and a chopping blow. A stabbing stroke is most effective when it strikes the base of the neck in front just below the Adam's apple (or from the side, above the clavicle). A chopping (cutting) blow is applied to the throat from the front slightly higher than the Adam's apple (for which it is necessary to bend the sentry’s head back) or from the side, cutting the carotid artery. In all these cases, instant death occurs.

              In the heart (under the left shoulder blade), in the left or right kidney, in the liver, in the spleen, a strong stabbing blow is applied and they try to turn the knife in the wound.

              As a result, the enemy instantly loses consciousness, as there is a powerful release of blood inside the body, and after a short period of time, death occurs. "
              1. 0
                1 March 2012 18: 07
                I am impressed by your logic, but with the manual it is generally empty to argue, I will allow myself only a small remark. Of course, they poke and cut, but first they assess the situation, like the enemy himself. Something like, - "In the heart (under the left shoulder blade)" and other anatomical details with the spleens are hardly reasonable if the enemy is wearing a bulletproof vest with a backpack and other junk on straps and straps. The thrusting motion is stronger than the cutting one, but the cutting one has a larger area of ​​damage and there is practically no risk of deflection when attacking the neck.
    2. SIT
      0
      29 February 2012 12: 15
      Of course it should. As without a knife in field life. But walking with a sentry with him is exotic in modern times. BCC pounding at 300m. This means if you came up to 50m, it is quite realistic to hit just with a direct shot 3 fingers above the body armor. There will be no scream. With a knife, it’s possible to hit the brow in modern equipment so that he is not guaranteed to cry out, in general, only in one place. The specificity is such that at the same time there is very plentiful blood loss and the person who hits for the first time, then vomits further than he sees. It’s clear that in real life it’s not about vomiting. So you need to train him in advance. Those who didn’t get lucky and had to do it of course do so, but in peacetime it is simply impossible, because you train yourself understand on whom.
      1. 0
        29 February 2012 15: 42
        The target, which needs to be eliminated, will not necessarily "pose" for you, it can, for example, stand around the corner. As for vomit, you know, they don't send intelligent boys with a volume of Pasternak to such matters.
        1. SIT
          0
          29 February 2012 17: 06
          Quote: Per se.
          The target, which needs to be eliminated, will not necessarily "pose" for you, it can, for example, stand around the corner. As for vomit, you know, they don't send intelligent boys with a volume of Pasternak to such matters.

          It’s easier to still change the position for a shot than to approach a person completely imperceptibly at a distance of working with a knife. As for the intelligent boys, I wrote what they are doing so that even such an intelligent boy in the past did his job as expected. That's just the roof he can depart in an unknown direction, but then, if he returns.
          1. 0
            29 February 2012 18: 14
            You, of course, are right in your own way. The most important thing is to minimize the risk, but it is not always possible to change the position, and time, sometimes, as they say, does not tolerate. Working with a knife requires a certain qualification, it’s easier to prepare a good shooter, I don’t argue with that, but if we are talking about specialists, it’s naive to think that this training is secondary.
          2. Novosibirsky
            -1
            29 February 2012 19: 38
            Quote: SIT
            I wrote what they’re doing so that even such an intelligent boy in the past does his job as expected.

            Something I missed, where did you write it? If not difficult, repeat. There is a preparation technique (SPN GRU if memory serves) when they make a soldier cut off his head in small livestock, such as a rabbit, and drink blood. Did you mean something like that?

            Everything, you came to mean wartime and prisoners of war. Right?
            1. SIT
              0
              1 March 2012 10: 56
              Quote: NovoSibirets
              Everything, you came to mean wartime and prisoners of war. Right?

              Yes.
  11. Tyumen
    0
    28 February 2012 18: 05
    Finnish companies have brought the design of the combat knife as close as possible to the classic Finnish one. A little later, removing the fasteners, they also proposed a more successful model - M-95
    This model was developed by M. Peltonen, and not some * Finnish firms *. And the knife is great. Their three models are of different lengths. In the photo - the shortest.
  12. MIKK1972
    0
    28 February 2012 18: 56
    the best for my taste from cold NDK 17
    1. Tyumen
      +1
      28 February 2012 19: 10
      Chisel without a handle?
  13. Pu239
    +1
    28 February 2012 22: 36
    Lost universal Finnish crowbar:
    Fullkniven A1 - VG10 steel - is in service with the Marines CWP as a survival knife.
    Butt 6mm! Will not break. smile
    .

    Sharpening the lens. good
  14. LiRoy
    0
    28 February 2012 22: 43
    The article is interesting. I personally liked the KA-BAR. I held it in my hands and really liked it.
  15. clinic
    0
    3 March 2012 16: 44
    http://youtu.be/tUIiQy5I7YY
    On the topic is suitable! And further...
    http://talks.guns.ru/forummessage/122/697413-14.html
  16. Vilis
    0
    9 March 2012 21: 02
    My opinion is this:
    the knife is an irreplaceable thing! So you got into the forest during the battle! You have nothing left, just a knife !! The main thing is that it is unvirsal .... For example ..
    http://s.66.ru/doska/images/2011/9/20/1726_9752_640x480.jpg

    [img]http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?p=11&text=уневирсальное мачете&noreask=1&noreask=1&img_url=s.66.ru/doska/images/2011/9/20/1726_975
    2_640x480.jpg & rpt = simage & lr = 50 [/ img]
  17. Vilis
    0
    10 March 2012 13: 12
    clinic,
    [I do not understand request This is like a knife-gun chtoli ??????? good If so then cool !!!
  18. clinic
    0
    10 March 2012 18: 05
    By reference, there you have to ask. And so it seems, as in the topic of the post.
  19. olegmt
    0
    1 July 2013 16: 52
    Quote: NovoSibirets
    And then!
    Favorite:
    "T-34" (Melita)
    and of course "Antiterror", a cult tooth!


    http://dknf.ru/ sold here
  20. olegmt
    0
    1 July 2013 16: 57
    Quote: 755962
    In free sale? And how much per unit?

    4 400 http://dknf.ru/