We found for what "bite" Shoigu! On the shelling of "caliber" militants positions in Syria

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It is difficult for our radicals to criticize the Ministry of Defense. Oh hard ... And any radicals. And left, and right, and "middle" ...





On the one hand, a huge ministry, with a huge number of people, with huge money, with huge tasks ... And on the other hand ... Shoigu. It seems not a hero. Even anger in the face is not noticed. But listen to him. And they do not just obey, but carry out the tasks assigned to them. And the dirt for some reason does not stick to it. And subordinates, as specially, heroically fight.

Well, sort of found. Found a topic where the ministry just will not get out. Where are these generals responsible for the people's money, which we lack so much. And always. And that's it! Beautiful theme, in the spirit of Americans and Europeans. I once wrote about the difference in the approaches to war between us and "them". And the Russian service of the Air Force launched this topic. Qualitatively launched. Like humanitarian aid to our "fighters with the regime" and "guardians for people's happiness."

Temka something trivial, at first glance. Where did the Russian Calibras fly from the frigate Admiral Essen and the submarine Krasnodar? Did the fortifications of militants or their “shaitan-mobili” make such money? The Russian military, and therefore the Russian defense minister, are spending people's money on a fictional war! ..

As befits a solid ministry, the department Shoigu responded with a standard explanation in such cases. The blow was inflicted on the shelters of ISIS militants (banned in the Russian Federation), which contained heavy equipment and personnel withdrawn from Raqqa. And that's all. The military are doing their job ...

And it began ... How justified is the use of such weapons against militants? Why are millions of Russian rubles "thrown to the wind"? Is the Russian army fighting well in Syria, as the Russian and Syrian media say? Are the Calibers so good?

Several "storylines" of the discussion of our blow are traced at once.

The first and probably the most “beautiful” version is simple. And again it is connected with ... "Tamagawk". And why did Trump hit them somewhere? .. So stately lay in the holds of ships and submarines. So "inspired respect" and "instilled horror." And then ... they felt free and "ran away" to someone after the launch ... And what about the Russian "Caliber"? Clearly, as it should be for the soldiers, they flew to where they were ordered and carried out what was necessary. And everything. That's what Putin's dictatorship is doing ...

Please forgive me for a somewhat humorous tone, but without a smile it is really difficult to discuss it. But the idea, which is voiced only occasionally, but which is pushed to the reader, is simple. Are the Calibers so good? Well, think, dear reader, would it really be necessary to produce expensive launches of cruise missiles if there was confidence in their full compliance with the tasks?

Are there not enough launches from the Caspian, Black and Mediterranean seas? Are the VKS starts a little? So much money ... Or maybe the problem is that the "Gauges" turned out to be much worse than expected? And new launches were needed only to check the changes?

Agree, the version is very beautiful. Indeed, it is quite plausible. Moreover, I, for example, really have confidence that after such combat use, the designers are in line with proposals for improvement and refinement. It has always been and will be. The more often a weapon is used precisely in a combat situation, the more options for modernization arise.

Only can we modernize the "Calibers" today? More precisely, to increase funding for such a modernization? It is doubtful. Rather, it would be right to talk about increasing the mass production of these missiles. After all, it is clear that while we are inferior in quantity. Although, on the other hand, if we proceed from the original purpose of the Calibrov, for destruction of the starting positions of intercontinental ballistic missiles, the starting positions of air defense systems, command posts, contact points and other things, probably, the quantity is sufficient.

The next version of the strike is not so beautiful, but it is also quite promising for the "biting" of the Russian MO. So, the Russian President has repeatedly said that today Russia has a completely modern weapon. And, most importantly, there is the political will to apply it. Simply put, in case of danger, we can "embed" on a brazen overseas or similar face face. Do not hesitate. The world is developing and the classic biblical example of humility is no longer relevant. We refuse to expose the left cheek after they hit us on the right. Moreover, we "block the blow and strike back" even before the first blow on the right ...

What thoughts are we approaching? If you follow the logic written above? Why was the blow needed? The answer may be in two, not very different from each other, variants. The blow was nothing but a demonstration of the strength of Russia and the Russian army. In the first version - to show the strength of Russia to other states. One way to prevent or intimidate. In the second variant, the blow was dealt “for internal use”. Show the people of Russia the strength of their army. Show that the money spent for good reason. Show the results of not only the military, but also the defense industry.

But written above rather "summary for liberals." And at the beginning of the article I wrote that there were at least two "notes". There is a "summary for patriots".

So why bump? It doesn’t matter whether it’s accurate or not. The Russian army during the war in Syria uses a variety of weapons and units of various branches and types of the Armed Forces. And the losses, which are periodically reported to us by the Moscow Region, show that everything is not going smoothly. It is necessary to work out the interaction not only of ships fleet, but also the interaction between the fleet and the airborne forces, reconnaissance, space forces and so on.

Simply put, we act well, but we must act ... very well. We must promote and encourage in every way ... We need to bring to perfection ... And so on. The Russian army is strong, but ... not very.

And now about my own opinion. It is, alas, not original. And voiced repeatedly by other people. It has long been voiced. But the relevance is not lost.

Remember the discussion about the funds that Russia spends on a military operation in Syria? Remember the answer of the Minister of Defense and the President to the question of costs? The operation is carried out within the framework of the adopted budget. So, the additional costs, and they, it seems to me, are small. But these are just thoughts out loud.

So, the army and navy should always learn. Is always. And for this, there are not only theoretical studies, but also practice. And what is the difference between launching a cruise missile on a real target from launching on a plywood target? For the crew of a frigate or submarine? Only coordinates of the target. What is not practical lessons for the fleet? What is not training with live shooting? Yes, and what I wrote above, combat coordination of the ships of the Black Sea Fleet and the space forces?

The fight against terrorism remains Russia's priority. But nobody canceled other tasks. And the same southern descendants of Bandera has not been canceled. And Turkey with its "Eastern" temperament has not been canceled. And NATO ... So, we just need not only to train personnel on mock-ups and simulators, but also to work with real weapons in real combat situations. Those who served in the army probably remember the first acquaintance with a combat grenade ... Not everyone managed to quit it ... But today they are far from throwing grenades.

And at the end of the article I want to joke again a little. Remind the situation in some families. What makes a smart husband with his "stash"? A smart husband always allows his wife to know where he has the “stash”. That's why he is smart, because he understands: it increases confidence in the family, women's self-esteem of the wife and ... the safety of the main “nest egg”.

Maybe we, too ... increase the self-esteem of the likely "partner" and "family trust" ...
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  2. +33
    7 June 2017 06: 53
    What can I say? Work brothers! We do not need these ghouls in Russia! Let them go west, there they are well treated!
    1. +57
      7 June 2017 07: 23
      The army does an excellent job, which is proved by the squeals of various libero ghouls and their western masters. And about the use of weapons and cost, A.V.Suvorov said: “They don’t consider enemies, they beat them by all means. Yes
      1. +4
        7 June 2017 13: 20
        Dear Vovanpain

        You can also cite another quote by V. Suvorov "Why should you feel sorry for them, bastard, write more!"
        1. +9
          7 June 2017 15: 42
          The Quote you quoted is inappropriate in this case.
        2. +19
          7 June 2017 17: 16
          Quote: denis02135
          Dear Vovanpain
          You can also cite another quote by V. Suvorov "Why should you feel sorry for them, bastard, write more!"

          Dear, your trouble is in the school curriculum. Fear Russian Muscovites, I myself am a Muscovite Muscovite - the word is of Austrian origin and translates as “warrior”. ... In the Russian dictionary there is no word "Muscovite", there is its synonym, the word "warrior".
          "The quieter the pool, the more professional the devils in it." You ask why this is me, but to the fact that you don’t know how to count to 50. Question: How many S-400 air defense missiles are in the division? Answer: The division can have almost fifty missiles in containers (4 containers per machine). But SKOKA, “Toporikov” missiles didn’t reach the target? If you forgot to remind 36 pieces. You immediately ask the second question: Why did the other 20 fly by? The answer worked out the Asian mentality of the Russians, because we are also Asians. It is necessary to help Trump, will establish himself in power.
          "Every donkey wears his ears" ... So they say in the East.

          Afghan saying: "Perhaps you have a watch, but we have time." Russians, whoever they consider themselves to be ethnic, but are brought up in Russia, and for you, we are RUSSIAN, WE ARE PATIENT AND ASIAN AS CUTLY EDUCATED.
          1. +4
            7 June 2017 20: 42
            There is a minor remark - the word "Moskal" is not of Austrian origin, but of any Slavic origin. Moskal means shaving, Moskal shaved. And since the soldiers in the Russian army were shaved, they were called that. Over time, the name spread to all Russians. Naturally, a soldier is a warrior. In this you are absolutely right! hi
            But there will be fewer missiles in the S-400, especially in real life, and not in theory and ready to fire ...
            1. 0
              11 June 2017 13: 58
              .. well here hell knows - all sorts of different * French * didn’t go to the baths - they sewed in and there was one salvation - a wig. , I sprayed my clothes with incense, well, how not to stink it. , well, I had to shave * the pumpkin * I had to .. she doesn’t make out the estate and bites not childishly ..
          2. +4
            7 June 2017 21: 07
            There were no launches of C-400, no. Half of Latakia would have photographed them - at night a volley of missiles of such a very beautiful sight.
            1. +1
              7 June 2017 23: 16
              Quote: Forest
              There were no launches of C-400, no. Half of Latakia would have photographed them - at night a volley of missiles of such a very beautiful sight.

              And judging by the route of the axes and the distance from the place of deployment of the air defense systems, there was practically no real opportunity to shoot them down taking into account the flight altitude. hi
              1. +4
                8 June 2017 03: 32
                Quote: andj61
                And judging by the route of the axes and the distance from the place of deployment of air defense systems,

                ... everything is not so simple as you write ... the point is in the air defense system, forces, means and KSA / ACS ... I recall, except for the S-400, Tartus has the S-300B4 and the Monolit-B radar which, although in fact is attached to the “Bastion,” but is a RTV device ... which has an active and passive channel and uses a drive waveguide, who will understand what this is about ... well, it was enough to have a missile launcher with radio correction after ARLGS, after suddenly “Shtil-1” has such a thing ... I won’t be surprised ... The RTV resources of the Standby mode tie the tracks, “Monolith-B” gives target designation through the same “Baikal-1M”, SAM works out defeat ... “Ax” target although high-speed (900 km / h) and low-flying, but not maneuvering, especially over the sea ... hi
                1. 0
                  8 June 2017 10: 57
                  There were no launches: 1) they were too far, they came from Israel and Lebanon. There, even in height, the C-400 and even more so the C-300 does not capture; 2) it makes no sense to shoot them down - in this case, the United States and Co. will have the full right to shoot down our planes that bomb the "moderate".
      2. +20
        7 June 2017 14: 34
        Quote: vovanpain
        And about the use of weapons and cost,

        Or, to begin with, these are the first firing of completely new equipment, and Essen and Krasnodar received a baptism of fire, tried weapons and crews, and then you can not continue, personally, this is enough for me, well, liberals, and that liberals give them fagots! laughing
        1. +6
          7 June 2017 16: 19
          All Liber Asters in Siberia-BAM to expand.
          1. +11
            7 June 2017 16: 54
            laughing You tried to send them to us ... They’re climbing back .. Then people don’t understand “high matters”. They can give in the face, if something is wrong ...
            So, you yourself have spawned, yourself and reeducate fellow The islands beyond the Arctic Circle are not populated. lol
          2. +12
            7 June 2017 17: 04
            Well, thank you bother .... (to Siberia) -on that (my Siberia) .. rubber?))))))
            1. +6
              7 June 2017 18: 04
              laughing laughing The joke about "not rubber Siberia" has beaten all ratings today good laughing
              You dear, when was the last time you flew over Siberia? After such a flight, ALL thoughts about the “non-rubberiness” of Siberia disappear once and for all !! We are there if all of China is buried and for India with its one and a half billion place will remain bully
              1. +8
                7 June 2017 18: 24
                Quote: megajob
                We are there if all of China is buried and for India with its one and a half billion place will remain

                But do not send “liberalists”. They themselves have grown themselves and harass them. Like cockroaches laughing
                1. +2
                  7 June 2017 22: 27
                  And you consider them a "humanitarian supply of food" for local hyshnikov. laughing
                  1. +1
                    8 June 2017 04: 11
                    It is necessary to complain about you to the animal welfare society! Do you think these animals will be? Is that a bear with hunger. Loves the bear stuffy stuff. But I'm afraid his indigestion may happen.
                2. Ren
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                  9 June 2017 06: 02
                  Quote: rice
                  But do not send “liberalists”. They themselves have grown themselves and harass them. Like cockroaches

                  Tell me about Tarakan Okoloradsky - he hasn’t been seen for a month now.
                  Without his notes, it became boring ... Is everything all right with him, can anyone in the know?
              2. +2
                7 June 2017 18: 49
                Quote: megajob
                We are there if all of China is buried and for India with its one and a half billion place will remain

                fool Here you are going to carry them to the taiga from Transib ... I refuse ... I apologize for you ...
                1. +2
                  7 June 2017 22: 26
                  laughing And what to carry them? In the middle of the stage - unload and a mustache, let the local "animals" have dinner, breakfast and lunch until complete gluttony laughing Here are more ammo to spend on them
                2. 0
                  7 June 2017 22: 30
                  that's for sure, and then all and sundry .. all W, B, A, A, A, L, L ... a little something to send to Siberia (something smeared)
              3. 0
                7 June 2017 22: 24
                it's YOU respectable fly over her apparently ... I live in it
          3. 0
            7 June 2017 18: 17
            Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
            All Liber Asters to Siberia

            We don’t need them for nothing am Is it only for the zone
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          4. 0
            7 June 2017 18: 31
            Yes, they will pile in their pants ......
            1. +2
              7 June 2017 21: 33
              Well, they survived, even in Magadan they do not want to see liberals. lol
              1. 0
                22 February 2018 09: 18
                Quote: Ulan
                Well, they survived, even in Magadan they do not want to see liberals. lol

                Yeah ... if Magadan is against the contingent ......
          5. +3
            7 June 2017 22: 30
            right. And the main liberalist is Putin himself. What was he talking about by the way? Not to mention the economic and financial bloc of our government - there is nowhere to put stigmas on. Liberast on liberalst. Everyone on Gaidar and Chubais is praying. Kudrins, grefs, naibulins, Ulyukaevs, Shuvalovs, etc., etc. For an exact list, you can contact the Gaidar forum. And all of them (although they apparently planted Ulyukaev) MANAGE the economy and finances of our country. And as you do not hide your head in the sand - the reality does not change! Our country is ruled by liberals.
            1. +1
              8 June 2017 01: 16
              Quote: WindofFields
              Our country is ruled by liberals.

              Is it not with your help? Go to the polls, throw something into the ballot box with an eye out ... Get down to business!
          6. +1
            7 June 2017 22: 33
            Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
            All Liber Asters in Siberia-BAM to expand.

            All librarians need to be planted and counted at intersections so that others are not discouraged am
        2. +2
          7 June 2017 19: 35
          Quote: midivan
          then the first firing of completely new equipment and “Essen” and “Krasnodar” received baptism of fire, they tried weapons and crews

          I agree, everyone is chatting about hardware, forgetting that it is controlled by people who, too, need skills in practice!
      3. +7
        7 June 2017 20: 57
        Our intelligentsia demands so much from the army, and what does it give in return! Neglect, indifference and, we will be true ... sometimes - even hostility.

        M.S. Galkin - Major General of the Russian Imperial Army.
      4. 0
        7 June 2017 20: 59
        Quote: "Enemies are not considered, they are beaten by all means." Answer: -Gold words !!! Better yet, REACH THE HEART AND THE ENEMY TO MAKE ANOTHER!
        1. +1
          9 June 2017 16: 59
          Is there time? Look at the world map, where are your friends? And since when are they friends, and for how long and for how much? Of course, I don’t want to go to extreme measures ... However, to make a prostitute a friend, this is unscientific fiction. Better to knock on the head, nothing there is bone, the effect will certainly be.
      5. +3
        9 June 2017 10: 10
        Quote: vovanpain
        The army does an excellent job, which is proved by the squeals of various libero ghouls and their western masters. And about the use of weapons and cost, A.V.Suvorov said: “They don’t consider enemies, they beat them by all means. Yes


        Yes, they fight heroically, but as much as possible already, it is clear that the war is protracted, the money is not small, victories are somehow invisible, the Assad regime is doomed anyway, even if the government forces win, it will be necessary to hold elections and whether Assad will defeat the big question, infrastructure Russia will not pull the shreds, Assad does not have any special prospects in Syria, and doesn’t it turn out that Russia fought, spent money and then quits everything and does not use anything like in Afghanistan.
  3. +6
    7 June 2017 07: 03
    Yes, these "liberals" that on the forehead, that on the forehead. They were ordered to look for an excuse, and they are looking for it. And the fact that they are once again substituted as traitors, well, this is Russia, and they are loyal to their masters
    1. +1
      7 June 2017 20: 57
      Quote: DimanC
      Yes, these "liberals" that on the forehead, that on the forehead.

      Liberals in Russia are in power, and Putin is the main one, and what they call liberals is the usual mercenary State Department, a component of the weapons of hybrid wars.
      1. 0
        7 June 2017 22: 32
        +1000 This is even if you do not take into account the economic bloc of the Medvedev government - there is a liberalist on a liberalist.
  4. +7
    7 June 2017 07: 23
    You know, all these "bites" of our and Western liberals can be safely brushed aside by simply asking them to compare our such attacks with ONE American strike of the Kyrgyz Republic on a Syrian airfield.
  5. +2
    7 June 2017 07: 45
    You can not save on defense! Not that now is the time. At the same time, seek targeted use of the allocated funds. Otherwise, nothing good can be expected.
  6. +3
    7 June 2017 07: 53
    Let them bite, they are paid for it. And it doesn’t let you relax. you just have to react more calmly soldier
  7. +9
    7 June 2017 08: 05
    To begin with, Shoigu really isn’t “hard to bite” no matter how hard you try. Minister who regularly does his job. And they are "liberals" in the United States and Europe, "liberals." Economic, “human-loving” songs flavored with hatred of Russia are exactly the same.
    1. +1
      7 June 2017 22: 20
      what kind of fruit is this Shoigu - still General Petrov said everything well. Search on YouTube. And on this you can put an end to the figure of Shoigu, which is now someone is intensely PR. This EBN fishery is the same traitor of the Motherland as Chubais.
  8. +13
    7 June 2017 08: 20
    I don’t understand people who scream that they’ve released so much money. These are people who are far from the army, and if they knew about the amount of ammunition, shells, missiles and bombs that are spent every day on training ranges and target exercises, then they would have had a heart attack altogether. There, at a price of hundreds of Caliber, they can pull it. And then, they fired 4 missiles for real goals, trained crews, tested systems, showed the world and the country that we can not only fight on land with infantry. I only for such launches , and I’m sure that they will be regular until all crews get combat experience with the actual use of these weapons.
    1. KCA
      +6
      7 June 2017 09: 10
      These "Caliber" are shredded in 3 shifts at the factories, people get paid, design bureaus are monitored for deficiencies and constantly updated, but it doesn’t matter, it’s important that "polymers are fucked up", but all kinds of opinions are needed, all kinds of opinions are important
      1. +2
        7 June 2017 13: 46
        Yes, of course this is cynical, but the war in Syria creates additional jobs in Russia.
      2. +3
        7 June 2017 18: 22
        Duc because these lebrosticheskim scum-do not have to "run" on the sands of Syria back and forth to race against the "bearded hares" !! After all, they sit in peaceful Moscow, eat three throats behind Western grandmothers and sleep in warm and soft beds. But as soon as terrorists explode close to them, no, he doesn’t demand to kill them where they are bred (see Syria), they attack the Government even more !! For these scum, it’s much worse that they kill anonymity and impunity on the Internet !! But the sweat and blood of the soldiers of the Russian army-they do not care. As for me, those scum who at least blurted out the word "give these bombs better to pensioners" need to be shackled - and to the front line to Syria in penal battalions (without weapons) !! am good What would they “redeem with blood” if they were killed there or if they escaped to captivity to black, it makes no difference. They were not people - and did not, we will not be sad from that! good
  9. +8
    7 June 2017 09: 34
    They shot beautifully, but all these talkers, they’ve been chatting since the 90s and we all know what they are, stupid, mediocre, thieving, ready to lick the whole ass to the west, and already lick what you take from the wretched and orphans .
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      1. +3
        7 June 2017 22: 58
        Quote: WindofFields
        With the Kremlin boats, who are promoting Shoigu, everything is clear ... But the people were completely stupid if they did not understand such obvious things ...

        We are so stupid. We do not understand your deep thoughts.
  10. +30
    7 June 2017 09: 59
    Are the Gauges So Good?

    Unfortunately no. The product is not finished and very raw. But they hide it from us. For example, do you know that the homing head of these missiles IS NOT ABLE to analyze the images of the faces of those it flies with on-board computer, compare it with the Interpl database and transmit this information to the nearest Interpol branch? Do not know. And they hide it from us. And nothing has been done with the issue of relaying television programs. CANNOT do this "Caliber". So he’s not so good. And I touched on only two details. And you can still remember. In short RAW it
    1. +11
      7 June 2017 10: 51
      Quote: Old26
      no. The product is not finished and very raw.

      No one argues, for this it starts up and is carried out in order to identify shortcomings and eliminate them and wet the barmalei too.
      Quote: Old26
      But they hide it from us

      And they hide from us that in Ryazan there are mushrooms with eyes, they eat, and they look. wassatYes, everything is bad, it’s bad, and the gauges are raw and the designer is wrong and the workers are crooked, only this is hidden from us. wink
    2. +9
      7 June 2017 13: 53
      Quote: Old26
      . For example, do you know that the homing head of these missiles IS NOT ABLE to analyze the images of the faces of those it flies with on-board computer, compare it with the Interpl database and transmit this information to the nearest Interpol branch? Do not know. And they hide it from us. And nothing has been done with the issue of relaying television programs. CANNOT do this "Caliber".

      And he still can’t carry out hacker attacks over the passing territory ... Sadness. It is necessary to improve. wink
    3. +7
      7 June 2017 14: 08
      transmit this information to the nearest Interpol branch?

      What you need is not that! For complete perfection, you need to read a course of lectures about the caliber of $ 700000 per hour. Fathers of democracy and anti-corruption fighters Kudrin Navalny and Yashin will read. Then, no complaints against Shoigu.
    4. +1
      7 June 2017 19: 41
      Dear, would you also like to watch football through CALIBER? Maybe you want, again, through the head part and to peep at the "women in the bath"?
    5. 0
      13 June 2017 08: 17
      Gridasov !!! You?
  11. +2
    7 June 2017 11: 11
    Quote: vovanpain
    Quote: Old26
    no. The product is not finished and very raw.

    No one argues, for this it starts up and is carried out in order to identify shortcomings and eliminate them and wet the barmalei too.
    Quote: Old26
    But they hide it from us

    And they hide from us that in Ryazan there are mushrooms with eyes, they eat, and they look. wassatYes, everything is bad, it’s bad, and the gauges are raw and the designer is wrong and the workers are crooked, only this is hidden from us. wink

    Right "It's all gone. The cast is removed. The client is leaving."
  12. +4
    7 June 2017 12: 02
    Since this liberalism has become aroused, it means that they are doing everything right.
  13. 0
    7 June 2017 13: 06
    If liberalists howl, then it’s already good! If encouraged, then something is wrong ...
  14. +4
    7 June 2017 13: 42
    It's simple, you have an ARMY and a Navy, they are talking to you. In the worst case, they bark because of the gate. You don’t have an ARMY and a NAVY, they bite to death.
  15. +2
    7 June 2017 13: 57
    Bravo, Alexander !!! Neither add, nor decrease !!! EVERYTHING ON ARMENIANS is clear - and "in its place"!
    Alas! No matter how vile it may sound, but "local conflicts" - there were, are and will be not only a struggle for "spheres of influence", but also a polygon to "run through" the latest weapons systems, tactics and strategies by leading world "players" ... .. Creepy of course, but it is possible that it is precisely this that avoids the Global Nuclear Conflict (and this is the “kirdyk” of ALL civilization ....)
  16. +1
    7 June 2017 15: 01
    But why didn’t this publisher ask their warriors where their money was flown to? Axes are also not cheap, and they launched them much more than Caliber
  17. +2
    7 June 2017 15: 48
    I completely agree with the author.
    So that every field commander knows that there is no need to touch the Russians. For it will fly from where you are not waiting.
  18. 0
    7 June 2017 16: 14
    At a price of $ 6,5 million per unit, it is not surprising when asked about expediency. Price "Tomahawk" varies from 500 to 900 thousand dollars for the latest modification. Militants must be destroyed - this is without a doubt, but the issue of efficiency and rationality should always be present in our crisis situation.
    1. +3
      7 June 2017 18: 39
      They just told you to a fool in plain text - they could launch them on plywood targets at our training grounds in terms of "military training", but they combined with the pleasant thing - killing terrorists !! am
      1. +1
        8 June 2017 09: 42
        You follow the language, you couldn’t say anything like that in my face. From populism, you already blow your head off. It would be better if they showed the launch of a pair of plywood targets from a distance of one and a half thousand kilometers and we all would see for ourselves the accuracy of these missiles.
    2. 0
      7 June 2017 20: 58
      Quote: Svoy_tovarish
      At a price of $ 6,5 million per unit

      Quote: Svoy_tovarish
      Price "Tomahawk" varies from 500 to 900 thousand dollars

      Tomahawk was made at the level of the circle by skillful hands, his peasants almost knock down hoes.
      1. +1
        8 June 2017 09: 53
        At the level of the circle, skillful pens think something else has been done. I do not want to offend you. Unfortunately, the Tomahawk destroyed more than one state, why were the peasants of these countries unable to bring down these missiles? The veil of populism prevents a person from being objective.
        1. +1
          8 June 2017 12: 20
          Quote: Svoy_tovarish
          I do not want to offend you. “Tomahawk” unfortunately destroyed more than one state

          I do not want to return your insult to you, but not one state has been destroyed with swords and spears either.
          Quote: Svoy_tovarish
          why the peasants of these countries could not bring down these missiles

          There were few hoes, but many tomahawks.
          1. 0
            8 June 2017 14: 10
            How criticism and uncomfortable questions are not like in our country ..) It is ridiculous to watch how adults begin to break down, carry nonsense, insult and clog up the dialogue in response to "wrong" comments. I repeat, the Tomahawk is a weapon that is more than 20 years old. I repeat this weapon, unfortunately, has already shown its effectiveness to the whole world. “Caliber” showed itself only two years ago, and we could not observe the results of the application. In addition, its price is at least 4-5 times higher.
            1. +1
              8 June 2017 18: 25
              Quote: Svoy_tovarish
              How we do not like criticism and uncomfortable questions ..)

              Criticism is one thing, and untruth is another. Criticism is pertinent to the place (you’ll excuse me for the tautology), but simply criticism is an attack on enemy propaganda. All critics who criticize not their professional - in fact, work for enemy propaganda.
              Quote: Svoy_tovarish
              I repeat, the Tomahawk is a weapon that is more than 20 years old.

              A primitive subsonic rocket, your enthusiasm has no foundation.
              Quote: Svoy_tovarish
              In addition, its price is at least 4-5 times higher.

              This is a blatant lie, a tomahawk is more expensive than a similar caliber.
              So it turns out that you are not an honest critic, but a deceiver-critic.
            2. 0
              11 June 2017 20: 15
              You contradict yourself, that’s what Caliber is experiencing in combat conditions, all the pros and cons are visible. Time will pass and the production of Caliber will be cheaper.
    3. +1
      7 June 2017 23: 05
      Quote: Svoy_tovarish
      Price "Tomahawk" varies from 500 to 900 thousand dollars for the latest modification

      And not from 1,5 to 2 million?
      Quote: Svoy_tovarish
      At a price of $ 6,5 million per unit

      And this is not when they were selling for export to India?
  19. +5
    7 June 2017 16: 41
    Recent launches were carried out from newly built ships. The commander and crew must check how the weapons of the ship work, and here is such a favorable situation for combat launches.
    1. +3
      7 June 2017 17: 00
      crying Missiles are a pity ... Such beautiful ... Brand new ... sad Maybe one could slap from a slingshot? Write a "caliber" and with all the proletarian hatred .... Again, they burned the paint on the launchers ...
      Oh too much. Around costs ... And in the village at the grandmother firewood was not prepared for the winter ... lol
      And for an adult, the right comment. Clear ...
  20. +2
    7 June 2017 17: 57
    Author, what is the article about? The fact that Syria is a testing ground? What and how both ours and Nenashi iron this country are few people interested in. Tired of the picture. Do not look for liberals where they are not. Launched and hit? - Well done. Did not hit - made changes, started again. Normal process. Not the first, and not the last time.
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  21. +3
    7 June 2017 18: 14
    Quote: Svoy_tovarish
    At a price of $ 6,5 million per unit, it is not surprising when asked about expediency. Price "Tomahawk" varies from 500 to 900 thousand dollars for the latest modification. Militants must be destroyed - this is without a doubt, but the issue of efficiency and rationality should always be present in our crisis situation.



    You’re wrong in voicing the price of not a rocket, but a complex, besides an export one. The price of one rocket is exactly 10 times less.
  22. +5
    7 June 2017 18: 20
    To be honest, such words are furious .. Why launch missiles, it’s better to give this money to people ... From 5-10 bucks of such a one-time payment will you live better? Buy an apartment? A car? But you will live in a country without rockets, planes, ships, which everyone will wipe their feet on. However, give each his own drunk 50 rubles, he will idolize you ..
    1. +2
      7 June 2017 18: 55
      And you turn on the TV box .. On any political show. It is perfectly visible there. As soon as a liberal is driven into a stall, this is the topic that immediately arises. They just have nothing to cover. And the old woman in the village Bolshaya Zadanitsa is always in trend ... Grandma is starving for her retirement ...
      Therefore, our people relate to these all-prowlers with contempt more than with interest ...
  23. 0
    7 June 2017 19: 06
    I will not indicate the source, I did not remember unfortunately, but it seems that information has passed that the strike of our missiles fell on the positions that the American special forces in Syria should have taken. In this case, this is a preemptive strike. In the Great Patriotic War, such artillery preparation was often practiced. It is enough to recall the beginning of the battle on the Kursk Bulge, when our artillery, two hours before the start of the German offensive, struck at the front lines of the Wehrmacht.
  24. +3
    7 June 2017 19: 22
    Quote: Svoy_tovarish
    At a price of $ 6,5 million per unit, it is not surprising when asked about expediency.

    Why did the price of Caliber suddenly become $ 6,5 million? Or maybe still 830 thousand dollars against the US 1,25 million for the Tomahawk
  25. +3
    7 June 2017 19: 55
    Putin and his associates are pursuing the policy and ideology of capitalism and the Russian economy depends on the United States and the European Union, which is why neo-Nazis Bandera still reign in Ukraine - the brainchild and puppets of the United States and the European Union, who mock the memory of our ancestors who saved the whole world from fascism and Nazism , and many nations from complete extermination! One thing is clear that the USA and NATO are making another enemy of the people of Ukraine, basically the same Russians who will be ready to fight against their true homeland of Russia to the joy of the USA and NATO! The United States and the Anglo-Saxons, drawing Europe, once again want to destroy Russia with the wrong hands! And the longer the Nazis of Ukraine are in power in Ukraine, the greater the possibility of the death of Russia and all of holy Russia! One thing is not clear, why bring the situation to a critical state, when the Nazis of Ukraine, with the help and military support of the US and NATO, will trample a war on Russia? After all, then there will be millions of victims and not the fact that Russia will survive and not die in this war? It has long been necessary for everyone to understand that under unfair and vicious capitalism, the war for survival between the poor class and the rich class will only increase with the growth of the Earth's population and lack of vital resources! There can be no reconciliation in the state, in the world, between peoples and countries and people, especially under capitalism, where there is no justice, poverty and poverty, where there is an ideology of nationalism, fascism, bourgeois Zionism, Nazism, chauvinism, etc. Peace is not possible where the minority takes on most of the results of the labor of all! Where there is political, economic, financial, religious, cultural genocide of one nationality over other nationalities, one people over other peoples, one state over other states. Where capitalism exists and its highest stage is imperialism, reconciliation is impossible, between the poor and the rich, different classes, peoples, countries, there will always be a hidden, terrorist, any war for survival! Only a more just society is able to smooth out contradictions and reconcile mankind in all spheres of life. It is necessary to abandon different religions, the ideology of imperialism, but the main thing is from the capitalist development of mankind, otherwise humanity will destroy itself with the growth of the world's population and lack of resources! It is necessary to build such a universal way of life in order to put an end to the arms race, the exploitation of man by man, the state by state, and to direct the world scientific and technological progress towards the conquest of far and near space, if humanity wants to survive! And the faster the population of the Earth grows, the faster humanity will come to its death under capitalism and the harder it will be a hangover when a critical situation occurs. It is necessary for all the leading countries of the world and their elites to sit down at the negotiating table and begin the process of abandoning modern capitalism before it is too late!

    Great Stalin, there is no substitute for you!
    All Russia has withered away with a liberal horde!
    The country is undergoing reform-change
    In capitalism they are looking for a golden foundation!

    Lies, theft and poverty of the people,
    Corruption, robbery - rotten being!
    Who will give the answer, what kind,
    Where did the filthy crook come from?

    Nazism, Fascism and Zionism in addition
    He fell upon our Soviet people.
    There will be someone who will measure their change
    For women and children, Slavic-Russian clan?

    The story of all the ancestors is scolded,
    The great feats of fathers and mothers.
    Eaten lies and western scraps,
    For millions of lost people!

    So how much can you sell your homeland,
    Under the control of traitors, ignoramuses?
    To call for freedom, playing a feast
    In the illusions of democratic hopes!

    The people of the world peacefully ask for a change,
    Wishing for a fair, new change.
    Get away from verbiage, substitution,
    Freed from betrayal, betrayal!

    Great Stalin there is no substitute for you!
    Tired of the homeland from crooks of thieves,
    Like they are hungry hyenas
    Pounced on the homeland of their fathers!

    It is necessary to end the truce with the Nazis of Ukraine and purify Ukraine, with the help of the militia of Donbass, anti-fascists and volunteers of Ukraine! The Communists showed how to act in difficult conditions, when after the revolution the whole capitalist world fell upon the USSR. Under the Communists, Ukraine would have been cleared of the Nazis in 2014, despite the threats of the West and the USA! All this verbiage, which has been going on for three years, is only an excuse for the power of Putin and his associates of the capitalists and the bourgeoisie! It may be enough to bow to the West and the United States and seek friendship with the enemies of Russia, let them seek friendship with Russia!
    https://youtu.be/P4S5Ig6rnO0
    1. 0
      7 June 2017 20: 48
      Stunned! You, my dear, do so nefig ?! I hasten to sadden - a lot of bukaff, no asil - your "work" is a runny nose :)
    2. 0
      7 June 2017 21: 02
      Beat copy-pasteer !!!!!
  26. 0
    7 June 2017 20: 32
    Why were these majors concerned about the people's money, and not because of the inability to manage this money. Let them loose everything would be pulled and shoved offshore.
  27. +2
    7 June 2017 20: 40
    Liberals in Russia are in power, and Putin is the main one, and what they call liberals is the usual mercenary State Department, a component of the weapons of hybrid wars.
  28. +1
    7 June 2017 20: 44
    That's the topic sucked by the author of the finger. Which, we will not specify. Any military man knows that at least once a year rocket launches should be carried out to improve the skills of personnel and to check the equipment. This was done. Only instead of a practical warhead was a real war. This is something not to discuss seriously. Now, if, like Tramp, they had launched 40 missiles, then yes, they had not saved the people's denyushki. Then it would be possible to reproach that for every straw shed a millionth rocket.
  29. +2
    7 June 2017 20: 51
    Shoigu still worked well in the Ministry of Emergencies, and now he continues to work in the army
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      1. 0
        8 June 2017 01: 23
        I know who Petrov is. And I know why he says this :) Information is not media and not from the Internet. I will not say where.
  30. +2
    7 June 2017 21: 17
    "the dog barks - the wind wears" - but the time comes when it is necessary to give stinky teeth so that the bloody crumbs fly
  31. +1
    7 June 2017 21: 18
    Quote: aiden
    Shoigu still worked well in the Ministry of Emergencies, and now he continues to work in the army

    it is a pity that there are few such people in the politics of our country
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    2. 0
      8 June 2017 02: 14
      he is not a politician and he doesn’t do it well. remember when he was prime minister. and the army is his. Better let him where he does well and does not spoil his career as a politician.
  32. +3
    7 June 2017 21: 55
    And I still found what Shoigu to bite. According to media reports, “Rostov-on-Don” launched 2015 “Caliber” on bearded stones in 4 full ammunition of lionfish (again in the media). And Krasnodar and Admiral Essen on May 30, 2017 launched 4 Caliber together, although a total ammunition of 12 missiles is obtained (4 for a.s. +8 on an admiral). Therefore, Shoigu did not finalize. At least half of the ammunition was launched, given that we were in the Mediterranean and that, just in case, before returning to the base, leave ammunition on board. It is clear that working with the Caspian was calmer, according to the media on 07.10.2015/26/XNUMX Dagestan, Uglich, Grad Sviyazhsk and Veliky Ustyug worked XNUMX launches of the Kyrgyz Republic.
    In addition, “Green Dol” and “Serpukhov” in 2016 launched only 3 missiles (and there were 16 missiles). So it's time to return them to the Black Sea and from there to shoot the full ammunition "Caliber". Our glorious submariners successfully carried out Behemoth-2, it’s time for the current generation of Black Sea sailors to work out a complete set, including submariners from other boats of Project 636.3.
    Well, about the howl of the liberals - that it’s expensive ...
    A murdered terrorist will never pick up a weapon. A terrorist killed in Syria from Russia will never return to the Russian Federation, nor will a terrorist killed in Syria from Kazakhstan or, in the past, the Soviet republics of Central Asia, come to Russia. (The visa regime, alas, ah, in the past.) And how he was killed, with a small, not expensive 5,45 bullet, or a large "Caliber" to me, as a citizen of the Russian Federation who pays taxes on his army - it’s purple ...
    They howl that Spain sent to the war with the USSR "only one division, and that division did not fight for long." I really want to take such howlers with two fingers from the bottom of the nostrils, dropping my fingers in the nose by 4 centimeters, raise the empty head up and, looking into my eyes, kindly, kindly, kindly ask: "After all, those nice Spanish guys didn’t shoot "They didn’t. They fell, fell so that our soldiers died. Here and think that they could have got into your grandfather. They could have killed your grandfather. Consequently, you could not be born in Russia so smart and beautiful." And when in my eyes the thought arises to continue: “Agree, it doesn’t matter, they stabbed the Spaniard with a bayonet that he didn’t have time to kill your grandfather (without irretrievably spending metal and explosives tens of rubles) or destroyed him alone by spending 5 expensive 152-mm shells "
    1. 0
      8 June 2017 06: 32
      Here once they wrote that Caliber was produced only 50 pieces a year (plant capabilities). If so, the military will shoot back everything they have. Probably for the experience of combat use or advertising.
  33. +2
    7 June 2017 22: 23
    There is only one water. Text from the series: it was beneficial to certain circles - those circles to which it was beneficial.
  34. 0
    7 June 2017 23: 08
    Build all .... led by Sytin and .... send to the States
  35. 0
    7 June 2017 23: 13
    the article is too long for one thought, the army must have combat experience. This is vital (proved by the Finnish war). That's just, in my opinion, we will be the losers in all the coming wars, not because of the army, not because of military equipment, but because of modern methods of destroying the enemy. We did not lose the Cold War to the NATO armies, we lost the war for Ukraine, (we lost a possible ally and got Somalia at hand) not because of old missiles! Not the army we have a sore spot! On the face of distraction from a sore spot, by attracting attention to army games, sports events, etc. And where is the place critically painful for the country where we need to invest the efforts and attention of the population? What makes us weaker and weaker?
  36. +1
    8 June 2017 00: 28
    There is a proposal to conduct an experiment: - To collect all the liberals who so tearfully advocate for the budget of the Russian Federation in a single team, and take a thread to take a thread closer to Raqqa (or is there a lot more ISIS from there?). Not, not directly to the Mujahideen, but closer. What would you see with binoculars. Well, for defense, you can give them Kalash and ammunition. Even grenades and grenade launchers. Not really, we are heartless. And give a walkie-talkie. During the experiment, it will become clear how long after this "landing" the radio will be followed by a request for the use of the RF Armed Forces of all available forces and means, including the Caliber KR. I think they will start yelling a “broken arrow” as soon as the only shahidmobile moves from the militants in their direction.
  37. 0
    8 June 2017 03: 04
    So I’m not once asserting that it’s better to be a hazel grouse with steel feathers — than a fat turkey on someone else’s table. And liberals of all stripes try to talk about a fat turkey. And I personally don’t want to be her. The Yankees say. If you look like food, they will eat you up.
  38. 0
    8 June 2017 04: 46
    SK Shoigu-young man! And the people who do not want to voluntarily feed their army, Will force feed someone else's.
  39. 0
    8 June 2017 06: 29
    1. The army needs experience using cruise missiles and drones. It may be expensive, but without it the military will not know what exactly they need and in what quantities.
    2. Again howling at fictional liberals? Name these names and their posts! Is it such a contagious disease, a game of patriots, or is it the second mask of a buffoon? The tone of the article is like a jerk, not humor. No exclusive information and analytics!
    3. There is dirt on Shoigu - read how he makes his living - she owns an office that collects specials for the Ministry of Emergencies. equipment. So the national money through the Ministry of Emergencies goes to the Shoigu family. In general, it is foolish to expect that there will be an honest person among Putin's corrupt officials.
  40. +1
    8 June 2017 07: 08
    Quote: Old26
    And nothing has been done with the issue of relaying television programs. CANNOT do this "Caliber". So he’s not so good. And I touched on only two details. And you can still remember. In short RAW it

    Joking as a joke, but do not stop working on improving the “Caliber” after their first successful use in Syria. It seems to me that you need to carefully study the experience of launches, taking into account the recommendations and requests of the military. advisers and specialists.
    Recently, in an article about Tomahawks, it was written that Americans plan to improve their cruise missiles by giving them additional functions and capabilities, such as:
    - barrage in the target area for a long time;
    - the implementation of reconnaissance functions at the time of flight over enemy territory, etc.
    It seems that we also need to improve the Gauges in this direction.
    In addition, it is quite possible it makes sense to make a combat charge of the Caliber with divided parts. So that it was possible to destroy not only individual objects of the enemy, but also a group of targets that were separated from each other at a considerable distance.
    1. +1
      8 June 2017 12: 44
      I put you a plus for: 1. "Barrage in a given area ..."; 2. "Implementation of reconnaissance functions ..." And about the "dividing parts" .... actually, if we consider the nature of the targets hit in Syria “Gauges”, then, generally speaking, “bunkers and buildings”. Although ... in the "assortment" of "tomahawks" there are cluster warheads.
      1. 0
        8 June 2017 15: 09
        Thank you, of course, for the plus sign, although it is probably not mine, but the author of a recent article about Tomahawks.
        As for the fact that Gauges only hit bunkers and buildings, this may be the current drawback. Perhaps sometimes it may be impatient to urgently hit a convoy, but a 400 kg strike in one place with a warhead is excessive and not fully justified. And if it is dispersed throughout the column, it will be much more efficient.
        In general, with the mass launch of cruise ships, it may be possible to turn to the experience of Granit marine missiles. It was stipulated in them that when they were launched in packs, one of the missiles took on “commanding” functions, distributed targets according to the importance of their defeat.
        Maybe for the Caliber to take something valuable and useful from the Granites?
        1. +1
          8 June 2017 23: 46
          Quote: aud13
          turn to the experience of marine granite rockets. It was stipulated in them that when they were launched in packs, one of the missiles took on “commanding” functions, distributed targets according to the importance of their defeat.

          Well .... in the functional "assortment" of long-range cruise missiles, this function will not be superfluous ... and the "network-centric concept" is not in fashion anymore. But about the “urgent hit on the convoy” ..... “Caliber” is launched from a distance measured in thousands of km; it flies at a subsonic (albeit high) speed .... where will the convoy be at the time of the “arrival”, of calibers, to a given area? Urgent? And how much time will it take to calculate the parameters of the combat mission, so that the "calibers" without a miss appear in an area remote a thousand or two kilometers from the launch point? But the "caravan" is coming ... Cluster warheads are nevertheless "envisaged" for long-range missile defense systems, but for hitting stationary targets: airfields (runways, aircraft parking lots ....); sites for the deployment of military equipment in places of constant deployment of troops ...
  41. +1
    8 June 2017 13: 00
    In general, an offer. Amounts are assigned for the heads of terrorists, at least in the movies I saw. In general, we need to give the military calculators so that they divide the price of the rocket by the "cost" of terrorists, if it’s cost-effective, then plow, if not, what to do, we’ll have to wait until it gets bigger or die of old age. But our liberals will be calm.
  42. 0
    8 June 2017 13: 14
    Weapons can only be checked in a real war, and there is a real war. And glory to God does not go on our territory, and therefore not on our territory, that there are "Caliber" and they fly and get where it should be. So let them shoot, at the same time our "sworn friends", in whom we have the whole world, are kept in tension.
  43. +1
    8 June 2017 14: 30
    <Or maybe the problem is that the "Calibers" turned out to be much worse than expected? And new launches were needed only to check the changes made?> So what? This is a natural "phenomenon"! As a rule, recently adopted "devices" at the initial stage often "suffer" from childhood illnesses. And it is more effective to identify these "sores" in real (combat) conditions, and not on "exercises".
    <And what is the difference between launching a cruise missile at a real target from launching at a plywood target? For the crew of a frigate or submarine? Only target coordinates ....>
    Or maybe .... "you guessed the fix"? Once I was engaged in martial arts and therefore I am familiar with the parable about two famous Masters (China) ... One trained the force of blows and could “tear apart” an adobe wall ... the other knew how to deftly avoid strikes. Somehow they met, to "argue" ... the master-smasher of the adobe walls hit, but only got into the air ... Of course, he was surprised, but that "other" master explained that a person is not a wall, for the wall cannot go into side, can’t fight back ... So the “plywood target” can’t interfere, use air defense means, make man evre evre ... etc! War is a real military receiver!
    “Rather, it would be correct to talk about an increase in the serial production of these missiles. After all, it is clear that so far we are inferior in quantity. >
    As A.Suvo used to say ....... I mean V.I. Lenin: "Better less, better!" Here, the Americans have “quantity” ... well, they launched a quantity of a hundred pieces, and got to their destination ... “thirty with a hook” ... Do we need such “quantity”?
  44. 0
    8 June 2017 15: 23
    Dogs bark and the caravan is coming! Work brothers!
  45. 0
    11 June 2017 07: 34
    If the screech of liberals has risen, it means that the caliber has got where you need to! drinks
  46. 0
    11 June 2017 13: 19
    Quote: megajob
    laughing laughing The joke about "not rubber Siberia" has beaten all ratings today good laughing
    You dear, when was the last time you flew over Siberia? After such a flight, ALL thoughts about the “non-rubberiness” of Siberia disappear once and for all !! We are there if all of China is buried and for India with its one and a half billion place will remain bully

    ..but what nonsense is to bear - it’s not economical to dig in ..- it’s necessary to process it too ..- sell for * mound * ..
  47. 0
    11 June 2017 14: 04
    Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
    All Liber Asters in Siberia-BAM to expand.

    .. it’s simpler to send them for * mound * them, and there they are not needed and .. they will be hungry and poor ..
  48. 0
    11 June 2017 20: 37
    Quote: Svoy_tovarish
    At a price of $ 6,5 million per unit, it is not surprising when asked about expediency. Price "Tomahawk" varies from 500 to 900 thousand dollars for the latest modification. Militants must be destroyed - this is without a doubt, but the issue of efficiency and rationality should always be present in our crisis situation.

    and where it is produced at such a price, probably in Ukria. and piece! You are definitely not your friend, but their friend, i.e. those same "partners" and my patriotism has nothing to do with it! laughing
  49. 0
    13 June 2017 08: 35
    Here everyone argues for the price of Caliber and Ax ...
    My dear ... you tell me not in rubles and dollars, but in pensions, how many pensions does one rocket cost?
    1. 0
      13 June 2017 08: 51
      And I have a stupid question, but what are we doing there in Syria for 3 years already?
      Have you found a new Afghanistan for yourself?
      Just let’s without a patriotic screech ...
  50. 0
    15 March 2020 07: 36
    Well, why should we discuss another "vyser" of lying scoundrels from among the hostile Western media at VO? "" The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on "- this is the correct reaction to their next libel. And our" liberals "have long been tired of waiting for logging areas, padded jackets and saws" friendship-2 "(two-handed).