Automatic and current machine of the future

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Not so long ago, the American laboratory SNL presented a draft of a homing bullet. The developers claim that the accuracy of the new ammunition has increased more than forty times. True, the name of the cartridge, with which the controlled bullet was compared, was not called. Marketing and promotion or real numbers? At the end of last year, the world learned about the CompBullet project - a bullet with holes. Due to the bypass of the powder gases from the space behind the bullet into the gap between the wall of the barrel and the bullet, it is claimed that CompBullet has a greater initial velocity than the bullets of a similar caliber. But even this is not all smooth: for example, greater speed can be explained by the lower weight of the bullet, resulting from sampling a certain amount of metal. Nevertheless, with all its flaws, both projects of promising ammunition are still being tested and refined.

Today...

At the moment, there is such a situation in which the main number of innovations in small arms weapons relate to ammunition and “body kit” - sights, butts, silencers, etc. Actually, weapons have long passed from the period of constant inventions of new technologies to the stage of improving existing solutions. Take at least Kalashnikov assault rifles. If we compare the early designs that Mikhail Timofeevich presented for the competition in the second half of the forties, you can see constant improvements, and even cardinal changes in the design. For example, the receiver of the very first prototype AK 1946 was disassembled into two parts almost on the same principle as the German rifle StG-44 or the later American M-16. The AK trigger mechanism was located in a separate unit located in the lower part of the receiver. On the next prototype, Kalashnikov made the top box lid familiar to everyone. Similar changes have been made to the mechanics of the machine. But after the adoption of the AK assault rifle, all the changes concerned exclusively technological issues - replacing milling with stamping, etc. The subsequent models of Kalashnikov assault rifles were slightly different from their predecessors, and again the differences were in materials and manufacturing technologies. The exception to this rule, perhaps, is only a line of machine guns and light machine guns, adopted for service in the early 70's. Kalashnikov’s weapon with the numbers “74” in the name received a new low-pulse cartridge of 5,45x39 mm, which required certain changes in design. At the same time, changes in the principle of action did not follow again. Not so long ago, another descendant of the legendary AK was demonstrated. This time, the development of a new model consisted not only in the addition of technological and "cosmetic" changes. The trigger mechanism was added the ability to fire with a cut-off of three shots, when the magazine was empty, the shutter became delayed, and the receiver received a new design without side slots and with a new lid mount. It would seem that there are not so many innovations, but they, according to the authors, will affect the quality of the shooting.



Roughly the same situation has developed in foreign countries. For fifty years of its service, the design of the American M16 automatic rifle practically did not change. The production technologies were updated, and in addition, the usability increased - for this, American gunsmiths constantly "conjure" with the design of the butt and forend. Other foreign assault rifles can also be cited as an example of the "continuity" of the design solutions of small arms. FN SCAR, Heckler & Koch G36, Colt M4 or Beretta AR-70/90 are built according to the same scheme and have almost no major design differences. It should be noted that there is a version of the SCAR rifle called FN HAMR, which differs from the base model by the presence of a special thermal control mechanism. The fact is that the HAMR was made as a rifle with the ability to be used as a light machine gun. So it was necessary to introduce a special mechanism, which, when the chamber reaches a certain temperature, blocks part of the bolt in the rear position, which enhances the ventilation of the receiver. The rest of the Belgian-American rifle is a typical representative of the "genus" of automatic machines with gas mechanics.

Automatic and current machine of the future
SCAR FN HAMR


It must be admitted that all of the above refers mainly to serial weapons. It is understandable, because to establish the production of a completely new sample, at least, is not easy. So it turns out that completely or almost completely new constructions, for example, AN-94, AEK-971 or AK-107 (automatic mechanics with balanced mechanics), if produced, then only in small test batches. The main problem of new designs is the complexity of the full transition to their production. However, new systems are definitely needed. The fact that the fight against terrorism has sharply intensified, which can be managed only by well-trained and equipped special forces, can have a positive effect on the further development of automatic weapons. A professional fighter of today is unthinkable without modern high-quality weapons. As for the economic side of such a business, by definition, there are few such fighters and, as a result, the production of weapons for them will not require a radical restructuring of all weapons production. In turn, these enterprises can continue the release of already existing types of small arms using the method of constant small improvements already mastered. Such weapons will be sufficient for regular armies, and over time, factories can be gradually transferred to new types of machine guns.

Probably, in this way it will be possible to “reconcile” two mutually exclusive concepts concerning small arms. According to one of them, the machine gun is a high-precision professional tool for performing combat missions, a kind of scalpel for war, while the other one implies a machine gun as relatively simple to manufacture and operate, but an effective weapon for a mass army. It should be noted that without finding a compromise between these concepts, the Ministry of Defense of a conditional country will have to choose from too expensive weapons for the mass army and poorly adapted for special forces. Not an easy choice, because it concerns not only money, but also the lives of fighters.

...and tomorrow

The main trend in the development of small arms in recent years has been the emphasis on the so-called body kit. Now there is a rapid development of sighting devices, improving the design of butts, correcting the shape of the forearm, adding rifle grenade launchers, etc. The apotheosis of this trend in the development of weapons can be considered the OICW and AICW programs created in the USA and Australia, respectively. The program OICW (Objective Individual Combat Weapon - Individual weapon for various tasks) assumed the creation of an automatic-grenade launcher complex that meets modern and future requirements. In particular, the customer wanted to get an electronic system of aiming.



As a result, the Alliance Techsystem XM29 project was announced the winner. It consisted of an aiming device with an optical sight and a ballistic computer, a 5,56-mm assault rifle and a 20-mm automatic grenade launcher. All firing mechanisms were placed in a single package in a modular scheme, and a large "tube" of a computerized sight was located on the top of the receiver of a grenade launcher. In the future, it was planned to equip the XM29 with a data exchange system with weapons of other fighters. According to rumors, it was assumed that in the future the subunit commander could even receive a video signal from the sights of his subordinates and have more complete information about the situation on the battlefield. However, this did not happen. In the middle of the two thousandth, the 20-mm grenades were considered to be inadequate, and the OICW was divided into two projects: the OICW Increment 1 modular machine gun and the OICW Increment 25 automatic 2-mm grenade launcher. A grenade launcher with a large caliber was brought to mind, but this did not affect the fate of the program positively. It is currently frozen. The main reason is related to the price of the weapon: the automatic-grenade launcher complex of mass production was supposed to cost a little less than ten thousand dollars, and the hand-made pre-production 25-mm grenades cost almost a thousand "conventional units". Apparently, the military did not want to pay such a high price for weapons of a very, very remote perspective.



In the middle of the two thousandth, the Australian company DSTO began testing its version of the weapon of the future. The AICW (Advanced Infantry Combat Weapon) program, like the American OICW, is to create an automatic grenade launcher system. However, the Australians, as if not wanting to have problems "on all fronts," took the Austrian rifle Steyr AUG, or rather its licensed Australian variant F88A2, as the basis for the rifle part of the complex. After some modifications to its design, a 40 mm Metal Storm grenade launcher was installed on the upper side of the Austrian assault rifle. It is interesting in that in one “pipe” there is a store for three grenades, a chamber and a barrel. It is alleged that in the future, for the Metal Storm, interchangeable barrels of various calibers will be created, which will quickly change the configuration of weapons for use with existing ammunition. Fire control grenade launcher is carried out using a standard trigger automatic. To do this, instead of the native push-button fuse AUG, a three-position flag was installed with the positions "fuse", "automatic" and "grenade launcher". Here the trigger mechanism of the Austrian rifle turned out to be very handy, in which the change in the fire regimes is regulated by the force of pressing the trigger: a small press leads to a single shot, and a “hooked” into the handle leads to firing a burst. Finally, on the Picatinny rail on the upper side of the grenade launcher, an electronic sighting system is installed. Its details are so far a mystery behind seven seals, but in appearance one can draw the appropriate conclusions. Most likely, the Australians took the collimator sight as the basis and, possibly, added an electronic ballistic computer to it, capable of automatically changing the position of the aiming mark depending on the type of ammunition. This year, it is planned to begin military trials of AICW in special units of the Austrian armed forces. We wait News.



Nevertheless, the automatic part of the OICW and AICW are well-known units with a gas engine and a NATO standard 5,56x45 mm low-impulse unitary cartridge. Back in the 60s of the last century, work began in the arms circles to abandon the modern design of the cartridge. It was proposed to switch to a caseless cartridge. It was assumed that due to the absence of a metal sleeve, such cartridges would be cheaper and lighter than similar ones with sleeves. The only example of small arms chambered for a caseless cartridge, which reached at least a small series, was the German Heckler & Koch G11 automatic rifle.



Especially for her was created a new cartridge without a sleeve. The question of weight was really resolved in favor of the sleeveless cartridge 4,7х33 mm (the second figure indicated its total length) - the magazine of the same mass as the standard NATO on 30 cartridges managed to fit fifty caseless cartridges. But with the price to figure it out and failed. The 4,7x33 mm cartridge has never been produced on the scale in which it could be compared with high-volume ammunition, for example, with the same 5,56x45 mm. The design of the cartridge is relatively simple: the bullet is pressed into a powdery piece, the surface of which is covered with a combustible varnish. Thus, all parts of the cartridge except the bullet fade when fired and there is nothing left to throw out of the weapon, which simplifies the design of the machine gun. In the middle of the 80, the G11 was supposed to replace the G3 rifles, the main weapon of the Bundeswehr at that time. The rifle had a bullpup design and automation with a vapor system. A magazine with fifty cartridges (in the first copies, later the capacity was reduced to 45) was located above the barrel, and the cartridges were placed vertically with the bullet down. Before the shot, a special cylinder with a chamber chamber turned, leading the cavity to an upright position. Under its own weight, the cartridge fell into the chamber, and the cylinder turned on the 90 ° in the opposite direction and combined the chamber with the barrel. Then the powder charge ignited, after which the cylinder with the chamber repeated its movement. In the event of a misfire, the shooter could manually rotate the cylinder, thanks to which the new cartridge through the special tube would push out the non-actuated rifle. All the mechanics, USM, the barrel and the G11 store were mounted on a single frame that could move inside the body of the weapon. Due to this, it was possible to significantly reduce returns. By the end of 80-x "Hekler-Koch" announced their readiness to begin mass production of new weapons. By 92-mu was made less than a thousand copies of the machine, which went on military trials. But the rifle, which at one time was considered as a unique super-weapon, remained a small-scale experiment. United Germany could not afford such an expensive pleasure as the rearmament of all armed forces to a new machine gun, and, moreover, the cartridge 4,7х33 mm did not fit into NATO standards for ammunition. The project has been closed. The HK G36 was created as a new rifle for the Bundeswehr.

In the middle of the two thousandth, Americans held a series of consultations with the Germans on the specifics of the caseless ammunition. After receiving the necessary information, the United States began its program for Lightweight Small Arms Technologies (Small Arms Technology). According to the results of a number of studies and experiments, the Americans decided not to use a cartridge consisting only of a bullet and powder briquette. They came to the conclusion that the classical construction of a unitary cartridge with a polymeric burning sleeve would be much more advantageous both in weight and in combat. In particular, they are now able to achieve a forty percent weight saving with a 5,56 caliber millimeter bullet. At the moment, research is underway on the topic of liner materials, which, when burned, will increase the momentum of powder gases. More details from the Americans have not yet been achieved.

Few conclusions

As you can see, in the coming years in the field of machine guns you should not wait for a serious departure from the classic firearms with a unitary cartridge. Great prospects now have not alternative types of small arms, but sights, enhancing convenience elements, various electronics, etc. And judging by the pace of development of electronics, this is really an area where serious breakthroughs are possible in the very near future. Well, bezgilzovye cartridges, universal automatic grenade launchers with built-in ballistic computers and similar devices so far remain exclusively laboratory and field wonders. So many more years in the next comparison of modern small arms will be flashed the familiar indices "AK", "M16" and others like them.
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  1. vostok-47
    +6
    25 February 2012 09: 34
    I agree that we need to "pump" our Kalashnikov assault rifle, but do not forget about the purpose of this weapon. Otherwise, in five years, it will turn out to be some kind of M-16 for shooting at a shooting range.
    1. Sergh
      +13
      25 February 2012 09: 39
      Of course, give the machine in different, I repeat to different troops and analyze. It’s a matter of having the entire body kit with you. Let people directly say what is good and what is bad.
      1. vadimus
        +7
        25 February 2012 11: 09
        Normal gunner. Touch what, so a generation of forty-year-olds will have to arm such weapons. Guys who know, stand.
  2. alseek
    +12
    25 February 2012 09: 44
    All this plastic crustiness is good in parades when the meat starts, and you’ll run around with a machine gun, dropping it in the dirt, knocking on concrete walls, all that will worry you is whether it will shoot or not.
    1. Igor
      +7
      25 February 2012 11: 10
      People are fighting with this plastic beauty in Afghanistan, Iraq and do not complain.
      1. vylvyn
        +9
        25 February 2012 14: 02
        How do you know that they don’t complain? Maybe they have written in the contract that if they whine for weapons or change it to AK, then they will keep part of the accountant’s salary? The Discovery showed an American commando who swore that he had participated in many real conflicts around the world (you can see the guy is dry, lean, wiry). He spoke both for the M-16 and for modern carbines, that if they are constantly cleaned, they will serve without fail, etc. etc. But when he talked about AK, he said this - if Kalashnikov were standing next to me now, I would put him a bottle of vodka. Then he showed several tricks of owning AK. In the process, our AK saved his life once. But Eugene Stone, he was not going to put a bubble. The transmission was completely American.
        1. Igor
          +2
          25 February 2012 14: 18
          Quote: vylvyn
          How do you know that they don’t complain?


          Is the US army switched to AK in droves?

          Quote: vylvyn
          He spoke both for the M-16 and for modern carbines, that if they are constantly cleaned, they will serve without fail, etc. etc. But when he talked about AK, he said this - if Kalashnikov were standing next to me now, I would put him a bottle of vodka. Then he showed several tricks of owning AK. In the process, our AK saved his life once. But Eugene Stone, he was not going to put a bubble. The transmission was completely American.


          Why are you telling me this? Am I questioning the reliability of AK?
          1. vylvyn
            0
            25 February 2012 16: 30
            And ours did not switch to M-16. By the way, below the photo you posted an American with AK. You can find such pictures of dofig. I wonder how many pictures, in contrast, will ours run with the M-16 and how many such cases? This is the best answer, and I can also minus right and left. And there is no need to be responsible for "people who are fighting this plastic beauty in Afghanistan, Iraq and do not complain." I ask again - how do you know that they don't complain? And answering a question with a question is a "Jewish trait" (I put it in quotation marks so as not to offend anyone).
            1. Igor
              -1
              25 February 2012 18: 42
              Quote: vylvyn
              Yes, and ours did not switch to the M-16.


              Well, where does ours come from? I told you all about the Americans.

              Quote: vylvyn
              By the way, below you posted a photo of amerikos with AK. Such pictures dofiga can be found.


              And you concluded from this that the Americans in Afghanistan are all running around with AK.)))

              Quote: vylvyn
              and minus and I can right and left.


              Minusu, you have the right, but I didn’t minus you.

              Quote: vylvyn
              This is the best answer.


              This is no answer.

              Quote: vylvyn
              I ask again - how do you know that they don’t complain?


              The Americans did not adopt the AK, this is the best answer.

              Quote: vylvyn
              And answering a question with a question is a "Jewish trait"


              How do you know that this is a Jewish trait.
              1. vylvyn
                -2
                25 February 2012 19: 04
                Again you answer questions with a question
                1. Igor
                  +3
                  25 February 2012 19: 21
                  If you saw Americans with AK in the photo, this does not mean that their weapon is full of ... oh, our AK will be more reliable and they will use it somewhere, most likely the AK will use their special forces.
                  1. 0
                    2 March 2012 01: 42
                    Their special forces use HK 416 and Rec 7
            2. +3
              25 February 2012 22: 15
              He did not participate in real hostilities, although he served in the army and shot from AK.
              But at least you’re going to drive paintball for fun. Well, where from the air in each other with plastic balls of paint in each other naughty.
              These air vents have very low firing reliability - the balls sometimes burst right in the barrel, and until you unscrew the barrel and clean it with a special ramrod, the weapon will not fire. And even in such games it becomes clear why Kalashnikov's merit is enormous! When you find a good position and start firing on "enemies", and your weapon fails at that time, then you begin to understand - everything is fine, accuracy, accuracy and range of fire, but the main thing is the reliability of the weapon.
              1. vylvyn
                +2
                26 February 2012 02: 12
                I will add. The main thing is the reliability of the weapon and the endurance of the fighter. He’s afraid of a bold bullet, he doesn’t take a bold bayonet.
                1. 0
                  27 February 2012 18: 37
                  Not bold, but skillful, trained and suitably equipped. They put the brave in the Finnish to hell (the Finnish machine gunners went crazy because the number of times the Red Army was sent in the next attack), and then fathers-commanders-political workers fertilized the fellow countryman to the glory of the Great Patriotic War.
                  1. vylvyn
                    0
                    2 March 2012 11: 48
                    Comrade Colonel, learn standard army drill songs. This phrase is from there. True, for this you will have to visit the army for at least 1 year.
          2. +1
            27 February 2012 00: 56
            What kind of nonsense? .. not a single country that is independent will massively adopt foreign-made small arms!
            1. Novosibirsky
              -2
              27 February 2012 09: 32
              I agree. They would like, but it’s impossible.
        2. 0
          27 February 2012 17: 50
          It would be interesting to watch this program. Can’t you take off the link? ... And I recently read on the same site the statements of one Amerov specialist regarding the AK and M-16. So he very objectively, purely from the point of view of a real field fighter, compared both gadgets and the general meaning of the statements was in favor of Kalash.
      2. +4
        25 February 2012 15: 06
        Quote: Igorek
        People are fighting with this plastic beauty in Afghanistan, Iraq and do not complain.

        They don’t complain, they don’t complain !!! They just take the AK and fight !!! Why complain, the whole Internet is full of these pictures, you can find it for every taste!
        1. -7
          25 February 2012 15: 40
          I see AKs lying around everywhere. takes and fights, before taking it, you must first kill the owner of the AK, and this he apparently does from his "worthless" M16. IT'S PASSIONATE. constant argument AK does not need to clean, even for .... ri under the lid, and he is all one, knocks down the enemy with a smelly bullet.
          1. +1
            25 February 2012 16: 27
            Well, why is it necessary from M 16 you can aviation or artillery or something else then collect nothing I have against M 16 just as an option
          2. 0
            26 February 2012 19: 45
            I look AK right everywhere lying around. takes and fights before taking, you must first kill the owner of the AK,

            What for??? They are produced in Nevada under 3 calibres - 5.45, 7.62 and 5.56 ... So learn the mate part ... But as for the legality of such activity, this is a matter of the activity of our government ...
          3. Altergo
            0
            29 March 2012 00: 22
            No one has yet canceled the warehouses.
        2. Reva3113
          +2
          26 February 2012 01: 49
          ETO NE AMERIKANEC ETO LESTNIE AMERIKOSI NA OPERACII, ILI BAEVIE DEISTVIJA NE XODJAT S AK MOGUT KONE6NO IMET TRAFEII NO NE NA SHOW
          1. 0
            26 February 2012 21: 39
            Quote: Reva3113
            ETO NE AMERIKANEC ETO LESTNIE AMERIKOSI NA OPERACII, ILI BAEVIE DEISTVIJA NE XODJAT S AK MOGUT KONE6NO IMET TRAFEII NO NE NA SHOW

            This is also not the Americans ............... tanned Tuareg in the desert with Kalash !!!!
            1. +1
              26 February 2012 21: 45
              Quote: APASUS
              ... tanned Tuaregs in the desert with Kalash !!!

              laughing laughing laughing Choreographers !! Although it may be (many) fighting? If so, then I love them !! It’s better not to come up with a goal! bully
              1. Novosibirsky
                +1
                27 February 2012 09: 51
                Children! Here's how to fight !!!
        3. 0
          26 February 2012 20: 29
          And what are we arguing about? on the internet there are many stories of the American military how and how they fought there.
        4. Novosibirsky
          +1
          27 February 2012 10: 10
          And just like that.

          1. 0
            27 February 2012 18: 08
            class !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          2. Altergo
            0
            29 March 2012 00: 23
            Funny though.
      3. +3
        26 February 2012 20: 19
        But for some reason, Americans with AK flicker on TVs and in the photo, our automatic machine is better in battle and more reliable.
        1. +2
          27 February 2012 19: 14
          Reliability still depends on the owner, how he provides this reliability. When I was a cadet in a sergeant training in the village of Antipikha (a suburb of Chita), out of the best intentions, I "filled" all points of contact of the bolt with the bolt carrier with gun oil, and the bolt of my AKM - directly into the cavity where the firing pin is mounted. The sergeants did not instruct us on this. Not only did they not explain what and when the lubricant should be used, but they also did not explain that the lubricant should only be slightly perceived by touch. I received my coveted 9 rounds (it was before the oath) and lay down on the position. Out of 9 rounds - 3 misfires. In the general turmoil, I was the only one who noticed. What was the matter - it was not clear! After all, there were legends about the reliability of the AKM. But 3 rounds were sneering just in case. Then he empirically found that everything was due to abundant lubrication. And all because the frosts at that time were over -40C and the lubricant simply thickened to the point that it was not only the cartridge primer that did not break briskly, but the bolt, if it was released slowly, the cartridge did not send it into the chamber ... that the fighter must be properly trained and trained by intelligent commanders. am
          1. Novosibirsky
            -2
            27 February 2012 20: 12
            ________ Ndyk!
    2. prunx
      +5
      25 February 2012 11: 27
      I agree. And our assault rifle not only shoots, but also ENOUGH precisely, completely inferior in accuracy and many times superior in reliability.
      1. abyss 8
        0
        25 February 2012 12: 16
        "quite slightly inferior in accuracy" - yeah, especially with the TOTAL use of optics by the Americans at their shooters! .... laughing and the quality of the ammunition? and the quality of Russian "Kalashnikovs" over the past 20 years? ... they say the most reliable production of the 70s ... that's how ... Yes
        1. prunx
          +5
          25 February 2012 13: 45
          And how does optics affect the trajectory of a bullet? Is optics a pluto-fold collimator? So for long distances there is no sense from him, but in the middle there is an advantage but not overwhelming. I am also for colltmators, but we are talking about the characteristics of weapons. But most importantly, users of m 16, with reliability, things are not as cloudless as some speakers imagine. If you are Svidomo, and ran here to prove that I have everything bad and rusty, then go to the forest.
        2. Igor
          0
          25 February 2012 14: 10
          Quote: Abyss 8
          yeah, especially when TOTAL Americans use optics on their rifleman!


          What other total use? Such optics are only for those who are fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq, and there are not many optics in the army located in the USA. Yes, and look at the reports from Chechnya, our fighters are also running around with optics there.

          Quote: Abyss 8
          What about the quality of Russian Kalakovs over the past 20 years?


          Money allocated for the modernization of the defense industry, so there will be quality.
        3. -3
          25 February 2012 15: 43
          They say in Moscow hens are milked ... If there is nothing to say, then it is better to remain silent.
        4. -2
          25 February 2012 16: 41
          and in general he’s not glamorous.
      2. Igor
        0
        25 February 2012 14: 01
        I think our machine must also be graded, otherwise today everyone is greedy for appearance.
  3. OilGas2011
    +17
    25 February 2012 10: 38
    Inventors fucking smile Here we have it, WEAPONS.
    Automatic two-medium special automatic telephone exchange in a configuration for carrying out special operations on land. The underbarrel grenade launcher (more precisely, its barrel with a sight) was removed, a silencer was installed on the barrel, and a night sight was mounted on the handle for carrying weapons.

    According to incoming reviews (from the Russian naval special forces), it noticeably surpasses the existing APS submachine guns in combat effectiveness both under water, and even more so in the air. When used "on the shore" with conventional cartridges of 5.45mm caliber, the ADS assault rifle is also at least as effective in combat effectiveness as the standard AK-74 assault rifles
    1. korbdegree
      -2
      25 February 2012 13: 23
      In general, nothing new, either, just a good bullpup, but under the water any weapon shoots, a chip in a special cartridge. But among bullpups, probably the best, because it is simple, but very logical. But they will not accept him, because he is not an Izhmash. The army does not buy what is better, but what the company produces, with which the theme of kickbacks and cuts is better developed.
    2. 0
      27 February 2012 01: 06
      Hmm, is he imprisoned under 2 different bullets? With the horn that is now standing on it, he will not shoot underwater. The bullet just won't fly.
      1. 0
        27 February 2012 10: 24
        Quote: carver
        Hmm, is he imprisoned under 2 different bullets?
        Exactly. Two different cartridges of the same length (a standard magazine is suitable for both). One for shooting on land (ordinary 5,45), the second for shooting under water. I think that underwater shooting a water bullet goes over the rifling.
        http://www.popmech.ru/blogs/post/1236-evolyutsiya-oruzhiya-avtomat-dvuhsrednyiy-
        spetsialnyiy-ads / scoreid / 1137 /

        scheme of the underwater cartridge 5.45x39 PSP
        1. Novosibirsky
          -2
          27 February 2012 10: 43
          Curiously, in the diagram, the bullet touches the capsule. Is it really possible that its movement into the bore starts when the capsule is initiated ?! True, there are such temporary quantities that the initiation of the capsule and the charge is almost simultaneous. But nonetheless...
          And yet, apparently, such a long bullet in the sleeve stabilizes due to this touch.
          Am I driving? laughing
  4. +1
    25 February 2012 13: 44
    Igor,
    They also complain about it, and when it comes to tight clashes, they use trophy ones. In order for AKs to be pulled up, not so much (much has already been voiced in AK-12), plus the workmanship to be raised. And combat losses are most often due to poor interaction and lack of ammunition. For special forces have their own low-weapon weapons, including the ASH-12 (assault machine with a new subsonic cartridge 12,7 x 55 mm.

    Here are the chambers
    1. Mr. Truth
      0
      25 February 2012 13: 53
      The cartridge is not subsonic, subsonic used in a rifle with the same caliber (but the cartridges are different!). The proof is the design of the muzzle brake of the machine.
  5. dred
    -10
    25 February 2012 13: 46
    It’s not bad to change ak for something worthwhile already. Modernization will not help here. sewed on soap.
  6. +2
    25 February 2012 13: 59
    ASH-12 in all its glory. Any body kit plus silencer.

    Not only subsonic, it’s left-handed, with a light bullet and a higher initial bullet speed. The muzzle brake is unscrewed and a silencer is put in its place.
    1. 0
      25 February 2012 16: 02
      This is a weapon of narrow specialization ...
      ASH-12 in all its glory. Any body kit plus silencer.
  7. Mr. Truth
    +5
    25 February 2012 14: 03
    First of all, for the machine gun of the future there should be a new cartridge, which will replace intermediate and low-pulse, possibly rifle cartridges.
    As a candidate, you can choose the same 6x49 TOCHMASH cartridge.
    Of course, its huge power can be cut a little, reducing the length of the sleeve to 45 mm and preserving the bullet with excellent external ballistic characteristics. Then from 415 mm of the barrel the speed is 5 g. the bullet will be on the order of 950 m / s and when firing from a machine gun and rifle shooter-sniper - 1000 m / s. Lightweight, powerful cartridge, recoil slightly increased compared to 7,62 but less than 6,5 grendel and 6,8 SPC with better flatness and RPV.
    The price will certainly bite, but I'm sure that there will undoubtedly be more pluses.
    1. vylvyn
      +2
      25 February 2012 14: 22
      But are there its characteristics? It would be nice to see in tabular form in comparison with our 5,45, NATO 5,56 and the new 6,5 grendel and 6,8 SPC, and of course the legendary 7,62 * 39. And if there is data on the cost of cartridges - generally a class.
      1. +6
        25 February 2012 14: 45

        cartridge 6x49 (in the center) in comparison with cartridges 5.45x39 (above) and 7.62x54R (bottom)

        6mm unified machine gun
        Of the well-known developments of the “late USSR”, of course, one should note another attempt to create a unified machine-gun ammunition to replace the obsolete 7,62x54R cartridge of the 1891 model. The new cartridge was supposed to be used in unified machine guns and sniper rifles, while reducing the mass of portable ammunition and increasing the persistence of fire and the probability of hitting a target. Developed in the mid-eighties at the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering (Central Research Institute of TochMash), a new unified cartridge provided a reasonable balance between the dimensions of the cartridge and weapons, a sufficiently large effective firing range and moderate return due to the transition to a reduced to 6mm caliber. In this caliber in the USSR, several types of ammunition were tested, however, the 6x49 cartridge was the closest to potential adoption, under which a lightweight single machine gun based on the PKM was developed at the Central Research Institute of TochMash. Due to the best cartridge ballistics (a bullet weighing 5 grams was accelerated to a speed of the order of 1100 m / s, which, however, determined very high working pressures in the barrel during firing), the new experimental machine gun provided the best shooting accuracy. It was also lighter and simpler in design, since the new cartridge did not have a protruding flange and allowed direct feed from the tape into the barrel. With a mass of only 6.5 kg (on the bipod, without cartridges) the new machine gun developed by the Central Research Institute of TochMash provided an effective firing range of up to 1500 meters, while the firing accuracy compared to PKM was almost doubled, and the weight of the ammunition load at a given number of rounds decreased by a third . Development in this area continued until the early nineties, but the economic chaos generated by the collapse of the USSR, apparently, buried this, of course, interesting development.

        The 649 mm cartridge was apparently developed by TsNIITochemash for use in a 6-mm “unified” machine gun and machine gun. Over the past 50 years, claims have repeatedly appeared that a 6 mm caliber, between 7,62 mm and 5,45 or 5,56 mm, would be ideal for an automatic rifle. But although various countries were developing to create weapons of 6 mm caliber, this caliber has not yet taken root in any army in the world.

        There are various reasons for this, not the least of which is the issue of supply. Most armies are armed with weapons systems for ammunition of either NATO or Russian standard, which means that there should be no problems with supplies. The emergence of a new caliber in times of cuts in military budgets will be just too expensive an undertaking that the minor advantages of switching to a 6 mm cartridge will not pay for.

        This was probably the main reason that none of the above cartridges was ever tested in Russia. There are already five different ammunition standards in service with the Russian Army, and the addition of another one will not only complicate the supply tasks, but also significantly increase the cost of production. Apparently, this is precisely why the 6 mm caliber weapon systems developed by TsNIITochmash had no chance of competing with weapons designed for standard Russian cartridges.

        In addition to the size and a few mentions in periodicals, no other information about these experimental cartridges appeared in Russia, and in this section they are described for completeness.
      2. Mr. Truth
        0
        25 February 2012 15: 12
        6x49 mm bullet weight 5 grams speed (out of 700 mm of the barrel) -1150 m / s ballistic coefficient at or above 7,62x54R LPS. I think I’m not talking about pressure and the resource of the barrel at all.
        It was created as a replacement for the 7,62x54R, but over the course of 20 years the nature of the collisions has changed a lot and I proposed the creation of a single small-arms cartridge for hand weapons based on it.
        For comparison, the cartridges took equal conditions (barrel length incl.)
        6,5 grendel bullet weight 8 g speed 800 m / s BK - 0,46-0,5
        6,8 rem SPC bullet weight 7,45 g speed 815 m / s BK - 0,35
        5,56 M855 bullet weight 4,01 g speed 950 m / s BK - 0.31
        5.45 7n6VK bullet weight 3,42 g speed 940 m / s BC 0,314 -0,32
        7,62 PS bullet weight 7,9 g speed 735 m / s BC 0,28
        1. vylvyn
          +1
          25 February 2012 16: 06
          Thank. I realized that the data is for a barrel of 700 mm. Of course it would be cool to have one unified cartridge for small arms, suitable for sniping and for a machine gun and for a machine gun. Let's look at the infantry squad - there are machine guns + a machine gun, so we need to unify the cartridge for them, as was the case with the AK-47 and RPD (one cartridge - 7,62 * 39). At the platoon level, a sniper group is already being added, say with ICS. And here the question is - at the platoon level there are already 3 types of weapons - sniper, machine gun and machine gun - which way to go? Push off from the sniper 6 * 49, which elementary can replace Pechenegovsky 7,62 * 54 (i.e. make Pecheneg at 6 mm, which will reduce its weight and increase its ammunition load), and then go from 5,45 to 6 mm with a trailer and for machines? As a result, we have one ammunition for everything! Either start from the fact that for a sniper, leave your ammunition 6 * 49, and Pecheneg remodel under 5,45 and unify it with AK-74 (or develop say a new ammunition say 6 * 42 plus leave it for a sniper 6 * 49, or maybe new 6 * 42 and will go to the sniper)? Be that as it may, I believe that providing a platoon (company, battalion, etc.) with three different ammunition is irrational. The experience of the Americans is interesting. They successfully use their 5,56 in the M-16 (moreover, the M-16 itself goes both as an assault rifle and as a sniper, if you weigh it with sights) and in machine guns. Of course, one unified cartridge will eventually be cheaper to produce than 3 or even 2 different ones due to the unification of the production equipment and the process. It is a pity that the Ministry of Defense does not share our views with you. Of course, I am for unification, if this does not harm the quality of the sniper shot.
          1. Mr. Truth
            +1
            25 February 2012 16: 26
            According to snipers, my idea is simple, to have a 12,7 x 108 mm bolt for counter sniping (the cartridge is more powerful than 50 BMG), and to have a rifle with a 508 mm cold forging barrel as an individual weapon. And of course a higher range of cartridges. By the way, you can reduce the weight of ammunition by introducing a metal-plastic sleeve.
            1. vylvyn
              0
              25 February 2012 17: 12
              But I propose using an example of a platoon or company to show which firearms and what caliber it is advisable to use (without considering granotometos, flamethrowers, etc.). A prerequisite is that one soldier or a crew of 2 people can carry it, and not installed on the equipment. Let's say that an automatic machine gun and a machine gun are needed in the compartment, and an automatic machine gun (or 2 different machine gun caliber) are needed in a platoon (respectively taking into account the compartments). ), a sniper (or 2 different sniper caliber). Next is the company. There are types of weapons - automatic, machine gun (or 2 different-caliber machine guns), a sniper or several snipers, plus maybe something else from the special category for 9 * 39 caliber. And then we are talking separately about each, and what it will take a real place in the same company or platoon is not clear.
              1. Mr. Truth
                +2
                25 February 2012 18: 13
                The appropriateness of using different weapons varies depending on the location and type of battle, I am a supporter of the centralization of firearms, that is, firearms like AGS, heavy machine guns, ATGMs, and mortars should be in the armament company, and be given to rifle companies as necessary, so controllability and operator training will improve.
                And so in the companies and platoon, the main firearms are RPGs, disposable RPGs, light machine guns, sniper rifles, machine guns (all small arms under one cartridge) and under-barrel grenade launchers. Large-caliber sniper rifles are concentrated in the Sniper Company, during the sniper database they are attached to the platoon battalions. So it turns out.
                1. vylvyn
                  0
                  25 February 2012 19: 02
                  And yet I asked for the caliber for machine guns, for snipers and for machine guns.
                  1. Mr. Truth
                    +1
                    25 February 2012 19: 30
                    I am for one cartridge for a light machine gun, machine gun and sniper rifle.
                    I think 6x45 mm will cope with this role.
                    12,7x108 for a sniper rifle and heavy machine gun.
                    1. vylvyn
                      0
                      26 February 2012 02: 15
                      I totally agree.
  8. +10
    25 February 2012 14: 39
    The point of view kills me that besides specialists in a new weapon, no one can figure it out and no one needs a new weapon besides them.
    It is interesting how long it takes for the same conscript to deal with AEK or Abakan and other novelties, why take into service the Western point of view that conscripts in the Russian Federation, for the most part, are illiterate cattle who do not need to give anything except AK, because he simple to impossibility ...
    1. +5
      25 February 2012 16: 25
      The question is not that the conscript will not understand more complex weapons, but what priorities should be put into mass-produced weapons, and not special ones. A more accurate fit of the weapon's parts will increase the accuracy of the fire, but will reduce the reliability of the weapon, and vice versa. At one time, the Tokarev SVT-40 rifle turned out to be just not for recruits, and not for mass use, although it was a good weapon for army specialists. For accurate shooting there are sniper rifles, for dense fire - machine guns, Kalashnikov class weapons, this is a massive, universal weapon, the main requirement for which is RELIABILITY. A Picatinny rail and a collimator sight can also be put on a match gun of the XNUMXth century, it will not become more reliable from this, just as the basic physical principle has not changed so far, where the propellant gases emit a projectile - a bullet, no matter what "generations" the weapon belongs to. It is necessary to improve, and, possibly, change the Kalash, but it is not necessary to go to extremes.
      1. +1
        26 February 2012 02: 19
        At one time, the Tokarev SVT-40 rifle was not just for recruits, and not for mass use, although it was a good weapon for army specialists.

        This is the sailors of the Navy of the USSR - OSNAZ ???


        Although from the way the Germans and Romanians nicknamed them, one can draw such a conclusion, but still ... And you don’t have to immediately remember about 5 years of service in the Navy ...
        1. +2
          26 February 2012 03: 44
          I meant that the SVT-40 rifle was demanding on cleanliness, it was necessary to be able to use the gas regulator correctly, which affected the reliability. In general, before the war they managed to produce quite a lot, but in 1942 they stopped production, not to a small extent because of the above. "Army specialists", an unfortunate expression of my thought, in capable hands, the SVT-40 was a good weapon, but that was not enough.
          1. -2
            28 February 2012 18: 47
            Some, until the very end of the war, fought with their "Sveta" (so affectionately nicknamed SVT-40), without exchanging it for something else. The Germans also liked it, in particular the snipers (combat rate of fire, lethal range, reliability), but they could not create something like that, although their weapons school and production culture were not weak. At that time in history, it was one of the best rifles. As for the cleanliness and care of weapons, I worked with a guy who fought in Afghanistan as a reconnaissance company. So he said that the "spirits" would be dirty, ragged, but their AK was always well-groomed and shone like cat eggs, even now for the exhibition!
  9. +5
    25 February 2012 15: 40
    PSih2097,
    I completely agree with you. The Russian soldier was always sharp-witted. The AK was created as a reliable machine gun, and not like a machine for stupid soldiers. Statements about morons in the army appeared in the 90s from the West, as one of the areas of ideological unrest.
  10. Georg Shep
    +2
    25 February 2012 15: 52
    Run, run tired
    And fall in the smoke ...
    I’ll stay alive - I’ll get up,
    I’ll raise the rifle! ..
    (or automatic)
  11. +2
    25 February 2012 16: 11
    VORON,
    If you read my comments more closely, you would see that I positioned the AS-12 as an assault weapon of special forces (like the manufacturer) And for global purchases, you need to modernize the AK and raise the quality of workmanship.
  12. +2
    25 February 2012 16: 49
    military weapons must be reliable and the principle of mechanics is that the simpler the more reliable (and I still have a caliber of 7,62) and so it looks like nothing like there in Pushkin "A month under the scythe shines, And a star burns in the forehead. "
  13. guessed
    +1
    25 February 2012 21: 16
    Quote: Per se.
    A more accurate adjustment of weapon parts will increase accuracy, but will reduce the reliability of the weapon, and vice versa

    Not certainly in that way. The accuracy of a single shot is affected by the quality of the barrel-cartridge ... system and secondary systems are secondary ..
    CBT 040 is not a good example. The rifle was crude, unreliable ... Even a sniper preferred a three-ruler, although there was a serious jamb ... the sight allowed only single loading ....
    As for the AK, its reliability is not related to the "gaps" ... They are exactly such that the weapon would fire in the temperature range -50C to + 50C. The tale of insufficient manufacturability and insufficient quality of PCs was invented by amers. Their M-16 turned out to be a rare guano in combat conditions, and something had to be done ... In parallel, a rammer was installed on the M-16, and an information war was charged against the AK.
    here, after all, here’s such a hitch. According to American opinion, AK is for poorly trained and illiterate fighters. That is, AK with its property compensates for the unpreparedness and denseness with the soldiers they are armed with.
    What will happen if AK falls into the hands of trained and competent fighters?
    M-16 is smoking away?
    In general, the reliability of AK is associated with two factors. A powerful gas engine and a massive moving part. This makes the AK capable of shooting in any conditions.
    Therefore, in my opinion, it is impossible to abandon the Kalashnikov system. It needs to be improved.
    A good muzzle brake will practically remove the recoil caused by a bullet flying out of the barrel.
    Lightening the moving part and reducing the power of the gas engine will reduce the momentum from the mechanism ... This of course does not make the AK equal to M-16, but this is not required.
    Shl ... fanarik on the trunk IMHO superfluous .... The owner of this trunk will receive a queue .... it is for this fanarik when it turns on ....
    1. +1
      26 February 2012 01: 43
      I agree, dvina, the very design of the weapon also not to a small extent determines both reliability and accuracy, of course, plus the cartridge itself (the quality of the primer, gunpowder, the shape and weight of the bullet). As for the "Kalashnikov", the accuracy, when firing in short bursts, is quite acceptable, but the reliability is simply amazing. During the years of service there was an episode, our company lay down, when in a hurry it dug in with a sapper shovel, "buried" its AKS-74, only a belt protruded from the sand and mud. He pulled it out, nothing happened to him, he shot. It happened, and they dropped it into the water, and even forgot the scraps of rags in the barrel after cleaning - he shot. It is easy to argue if you compare weapons to computer shooters, or when they shoot a little in a shooting range, in real conditions the reliability of a weapon is your life. With a good "body kit", and with proper training of the shooter, "Kalash" can be modern before the appearance of a fundamentally new weapon.
  14. +1
    25 February 2012 21: 47
    Kalash is THING. It will work after falling into spring thaw and in dusty conditions of air from masonry and concrete. And let him upgrade to infinity. Gauges, trunks, body kits, etc. Someday we’ll come up with something better. In the meantime ........
  15. +3
    26 February 2012 00: 27
    The machine in the future will more and more resemble a Lego constructor: "assemble it yourself" laughing
    Maybe all weapons will be blocky and represent universal weapons. It will be possible to make of blocks: a gun - PP - a carbine - an automatic machine - a sniper rifle and quickly return it back. The future will show and science fiction will become a reality.
    PS They are already making "smart" bullets, maybe they will also make bullets that change their caliber. But these are my guesses winked
    1. vylvyn
      0
      26 February 2012 02: 17
      As history shows, nothing is impossible.
    2. +1
      26 February 2012 20: 01
      The machine in the future will more and more resemble a Lego constructor: "assemble it yourself"

      Yeah, I immediately remember the film "Naked Weapon" with Leslie Nielsen in the title role - from pistol to art. installation ...
  16. +1
    26 February 2012 13: 21
    Guys! AK saved my life more than once! So do not blame me: I love him!
    1. +1
      26 February 2012 19: 59
      Do you have any kind of alternative to Kalash ???
    2. 0
      27 February 2012 00: 59
      Quote: nokki
      So do not blame me: I love him!

      feel love Fuu nasty ........ I also love my Kalashik .......... laughing wink
  17. Novosibirsky
    0
    26 February 2012 20: 33
    There is no such situation in which I would prefer AK some kind of plastic glamorous crap! AK, how is this a cult! This is religion. Correctly Nokki said above. AK is love! )) And if in a complete set, as in the first photo - an icon.
    1. +4
      27 February 2012 00: 29
      This (as in the first photo is an icon.) - you can’t hurt - aluminum ...
      Why are these bad for example?

      Type M4 but commercial, with cheek, fulcrum, adjustable

      SIDS Type

      Zenith type, which is Zenit LLC

      He also

      he, etc. and I note that all of these bells and whistles fit both AK, and AEK and AN ... That's it.
      1. Rodver
        0
        27 February 2012 00: 37
        Great modifications. They ask directly in their hands ... For good deeds, of course.
        1. 0
          27 February 2012 03: 43
          no one bothers, take a hand in hand and buy in an office, body kit for AK 74 - from 5 000 rub, butt telescope $ 150, ACOG scope from 1 to 000 American raccoons, normal laser pilot - from 3 rubles. and to infinity, the scope of the optics is normal from 000 raccoons, a night lamp from 2 raccoons to infinity, a flashlight, a pen / bipod - 500 raccoons and now count in the end MO (generals with managers) do you need this?
          1. +2
            27 February 2012 04: 01
            in short, the breech barrel plus body kit for all occasions will cost you at least 50 thousand, but you see, it’s cheaper than your life ... In war, what’s the main thing? The main thing is to be able to use all this, and not just to have ...
      2. Novosibirsky
        -2
        27 February 2012 10: 07
        Quote: PSih2097
        This (as in the first photo is an icon.) - you can’t hurt - aluminum ...

        What are you ?! And where were the aluminum built on the Ak-47 bourgeois? Kit or something? It looks like plastic. The mess.

        Quote: PSih2097
        Why are these bad for example?

        Yes, beautiful, no doubt. Only IMHO extra legs, they should have been in your place in their place d / b IMHO grenade launcher! )) Planks for d / b are already integrated into the "factory" plastic (why do we need extra weight), and not overlap, plastic d / b be hacky and full of holes as in the first photo to the article, the store is transparent, or with a window!
        Dreaming of a one-eyed ...

        By the way, what kind of stray is in your first photo, under the butt? And, "fulcrum" or what?
    2. 0
      27 February 2012 00: 56
      Quote: NovoSibirets
      AK is love! )
      Brother Novosibirsk is healthy. He used the quote as a slogan ... So from the past ... "Remembering with the boys a citizen and amerskie militants with pestles. They whinnied, and over themselves the same thing that they took at face value the whole movie blizzard ....." In real life, and "Kalash-AKS74" barely barely pulled out according to the requirements at that moment. Only PC and SVD, PC and AGS .... broke in on the ass as needed. bully Yes ... about which I ... Ah, that is, everything for my own purposes .....
      Reliability, reliability ... !!!! I am for AK, and the necessary stray to him will not hurt. drinks
      1. Novosibirsky
        0
        27 February 2012 10: 31
        Quote: Reks
        Healthy brother Novosibirets.

        And hello to you, Reks! )))
        Quote: Reks
        Used the quote as a slogan ...

        Take it, do not mind! )) I do not plan to patent the slogan!))
        Quote: Reks
        So from the past ... "remembering with the boys a citizen and amerskie militants with pestles. They whinnied, and over themselves the same thing that took at face value the whole movie blizzard ....."

        How, remember, "Commandos" alone cost that ?! )) Full length !!! From a horse !!!

        Quote: Reks
        In real life, and "Kalash-AKS74" barely barely pulled out according to the requirements at that time. Only PC and SVD, PC and AGS .... they broke in the ass as needed

        Judging by the choice of weapons, you mean the Chechen "company"? Well, yes, every instrument has its own place in the orchestra ...
        SVD and PK are not, in fact, assault, like AK. This is what the class of weapons is called "assault rifles" ...

        Quote: Reks
        Reliability, reliability ... !!!! I am for AK, and the necessary stray to him will not hurt.

        Yes, absolutely normal AK, assembly if good! The chatter is all that he is not accurate. You need to shoot in the troops more often, and not "9 rounds before the oath"! At the ranges for which it is intended, the AK is the best rifle to this day. No matter how hard someone is ...!
  18. +1
    27 February 2012 03: 47
    I don’t know how I tried AEK 973, immediately stuck to it ... By reliability as AK, cleaning is a little more difficult because of the hinges (rollers), and the same solution was borrowed from Kovrovites in AK 100 series ... We won’t judge who borrowed from ...

    The most interesting thing is that I noticed that now in airsoft it has become fashionable to put combat modifications (forend, sight, clips, etc.), maybe this is a sign ???
    1. +1
      27 February 2012 03: 53
      And the question is still interesting - if we have the main opponent of the WEST, then why in our army there are no trunks at 5.56? Or rather, why they only go for export, and do not linger in warehouses ...
      The Americans have already come to this, in Skar and M4 there are modules that replace the NATO caliber with 5.45 and 7.62 ...
      1. vylvyn
        0
        27 February 2012 17: 23
        Sorry to interfere. Five points question! In the same way, we asked our colonel teachers during training at a military university in the late 80s and early 90s. The answer was. He was in the textbooks of the Ministry of Defense. It sounded like this - so that NATO soldiers could not use our ammunition in their weapons against us. This was dictated by the bitter experience of the first years of the Second World War, when the Germans used our artillery shells and other ammunition against us right during the battle, when they were running out of their own. So it turns out that our command was not sure that if NATO attacks us, we can successfully defend ourselves and then advance and then win. Most likely they saw the development of events so that we, as in the 41st, will begin to retreat en masse and quickly, but the aggressors will not be able to advance quickly, so as not to tear off their shock parts from the rear and reliable supply (our ammunition cannot be used) and so far they will wait for the replenishment of ammunition (and here also the Belarusian and Bryansk partisans blow up trains with their ammunition and shells), our troops will successfully and permanently entrench themselves near Moscow. In short, why was it worthless to puzzle over new tactics and other things, when the previous scenario with a well-known end was already perfectly worked out - we, as always, were waiting for a victory in Berlin or Paris.
  19. +4
    27 February 2012 05: 28
    If we had the same Swiss or American legislation on weapons ... At the moment, both Tula and Kovrov and Izhevsk would have normal production, with the difference from the combat in the atomic and store ... Since the army is not needed, then at least people will get ...
    1. Novosibirsky
      -1
      27 February 2012 09: 57
      And here you are absolutely in the head! Among the bourgeoisie, it is the civilian market that drives research.
    2. vylvyn
      0
      27 February 2012 17: 27
      That's for sure, the same KelTek.
  20. Kudrev
    -2
    27 February 2012 11: 19
    Well, what I wrote half-jokingly-half-seriously is being realized - and the process is going exactly along the path of the development of PERSONAL CONTROLLED weapons. So, the Guided Grenades from the grenade launcher - This is the Near Future ... And all that bullshit that I carried with this post is a matter of the near future ... Oh how! ...
    1. Novosibirsky
      -2
      27 February 2012 12: 13
      You have so competently and readily stated your idea that even your refined use of foul language could not overshadow all its depth and logic! In short, the exquisite form emphasized the impeccable content !!!
  21. +1
    27 February 2012 11: 51
    No one argues that reliability is the most important indicator of a weapon, and here the Kalashnikov assault rifle has an impeccable reputation. But in advance to put an end to the machines of other designers, probably, would not be worth it. They would produce small batches of machines that were leaders in competitions, but for some reason did not pass (for example AEK-971 Koksharova, or TKB-0111 Korobova) and put them on the run-in specialists who constantly train in different conditions and with weapons including - you can get fairly objective estimates from them. Based on their opinions and decide on the purchase of weapons, and to whom what.

    AEK-971 Koksharova

    TKB-0111 Korobova

    ".... The trigger mechanism allowed three types of fire: single, automatic and fixed (three shots each). The rate of fire in fixed bursts was 1700 rds / min, and with automatic fire - 500 rds / min ...."
    http://topwar.ru/10080-avtomat-korobova-tkb-0111.html
    1. 0
      2 March 2012 02: 00
      The trigger mechanism allowed three types of fire: single, automatic and fixed (three shots each).

      If a soldier cannot cut off the line himself (for 3-5 rounds) - then the price is penniless on market day ... IMHO
      1. 0
        2 March 2012 09: 56
        Quote: PSih2097
        If a soldier cannot cut off the line himself (for 3-5 rounds) - then the price is penniless on market day ... IMHO
        God forbid, there will be a conflict, and some militia will receive the machine gun in the hands of the machine gun, which the machine gun had previously seen on TV. In this case, a cutoff of three rounds is simply necessary - less training for using this weapon.

        In addition, some of the submachine guns that passed the "Abakan" competition (Nikonov, Stechkin, Korobov) had two rates of automatic fire (under 600 rounds per minute and under 2000). At a high rate of fire, it is very difficult (if not impossible) to cut off 2-3 rounds.
  22. MIKK1972
    +1
    27 February 2012 19: 51
    Reliability must come first
  23. +1
    23 March 2012 00: 45
    Often there is a saying "morally obsolete" or "a new generation weapon", but it is clear that very few people can say that this means. Maybe the old weapon kills somehow "wrong" ?. In my understanding, a weapon should have the following qualities: 1. Reliability 2. Efficiency 3. Manufacturability of production 4. Ease of handling. And I think that improving these indicators is the way to create new designs. And any "body kit" is an addition to improve efficiency and comfort. A separate topic is the creation of patrons and the training of "users". (A plot on the topic of preparation: http://family.ifun.ru/view/211271)

    Comparison of weapons samples produced by different weapons cultures is not always correct. Those. comparing, for example, M16 and AK, you need to compare not so much the samples as tactics and conditions of use, user training, and so on and so on ... This is how to compare the F1 and UAZ bollid. Which is better like a car? On the race track, but with Schumacher in the cockpit - a bollid! And on the Russian lane, far from the repair base?