Belarusian aiming sector

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The 8-I international exhibition of weapons and military equipment MILEX 2017 was held in Minsk three years after the previous review of the achievements of the defense sector of the economy of Belarus. As the compact exposition showed, it keeps up with global trends. Many of the samples presented not only meet the requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the country, but also have a high export potential.

In 2016, Belarus ranked first among the CIS countries in terms of volumes of military-technical cooperation with Russia, having more than tripled its turnover. Minsk received C-300PS anti-aircraft missile systems, Mi-8MTV-5 multi-purpose helicopters, and Yak-130 combat training aircraft. The question of the service centers for the repair of air defense and electronic warfare, as well as armored vehicles. The helicopter contract supplies spare parts and components, equipment necessary for the operation of the machines. A regular meeting of the intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation will be held in St. Petersburg in June, and, as noted by the FSMTC director Dmitry Shugaev, active work is under way on all requests from Belarusian partners. According to him, there is competition in any interaction mechanism, but with the relations that have developed between our countries, the potential damage is minimized. “Cooperation ties are developing systematically,” Shugayev emphasized.



Belarusian aiming sector


According to the chairman of the State Committee for Military Industry (GKVP), Sergei Gurulev, Russia is closely following the developments of the Belarusian defense industry, the exhibition confirms this. Others are also interested in them - the countries of the Persian Gulf, China, Indonesia, the Philippines. By the way, the Chinese delegation at the exhibition was one of the most representative.

In 2016, we managed to fulfill all the plans for the development of the defense sector of the economy (OSE) and the promotion of its products in the external and internal markets, Gurulev emphasized. More than 600 units of the newest, modernized and repaired VVST samples were supplied to the armed forces of Belarus. Among them, the means of fire destruction, communications and EW.

Precise mechanics rhythms

In particular, the armed forces received a division of the MLRS "Polonaise" with a firing range of up to 200 kilometers. The system was created by order of GKVP by the state-owned enterprise "Precision Electromechanics Plant" (ZTEM) with the direct participation of the military department. Designed to destroy infrastructure facilities, communication centers, weapons, infantry and tank enemy units. The development of MLRS with a firing range of up to 300 kilometers has begun. This fall, the GKVP plans to conduct the first firing tests of the product. The task is to achieve 85% localization of production.



MLRS B-200 "Polonaise" in full force for the first time demonstrated just on the MILEX 2017. This is primarily a B-200BM combat vehicle. Gross weight - about 46 tons, combat crew - three people. The machine has eight missiles in transport and launch containers (TPK). As a chassis - truck MZKT-7930-300. Maximum speed - 70 kilometers per hour. The MLRS battery is capable of covering up to 48 individual targets with one salvo with a maximum area of ​​100 damage per square kilometers. Ammunition Division - 144 guided missiles. The preparation time for launch from an unprepared starting position is 10 minutes, the clotting time is two minutes.

The composition of the MLRS includes transport-loading V-200TZM and a modified command and control vehicle V-200 MBU. The first is mounted on the same chassis MZKT-7930-300. It transports two TPCs with four missiles each. Gross weight - about 44 tons, the calculation - three people.

B-200 MBU on the basis of MAZ-631705-262 provides communication with combat, transport-charging and command vehicles at a distance of 10 kilometers in motion and 30 kilometers of parking. Gross weight - 26 tons. Calculation - four people, the time of continuous work - up to 48 hours.

The exhibition presented further directions for improving Polonaise. In particular, the MLRS can receive a guided missile with a range of 100 – 280 kilometers, equipped with a warhead of 480 kilograms. Four types of warheads are assumed: high-explosive fragmentation, cluster fragmentation-armor-piercing, high-explosive, kinetic.

As Dmitry Shugaev confirmed, Russia and Belarus are discussing the possibility of creating a joint production of hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers. The Belarusian company BSVT-VV is already developing weapons of this type. After analyzing the features of the latest military conflicts, the global market and the needs of potential customers, the experts concluded that the small-scale melee weapons are most in demand. The grenade launcher received the designation MM-60, has a caliber of 60 millimeters, the mass - about four kilograms without aiming device (total weight and dimensions figures reach five kilograms). RPGs will be equipped with a multi-functional warhead that implements high-explosive, fragmentation and cumulative factors. Affects manpower, facilities, any armored vehicles. The fire control device (FCP) eliminates blunders on targets at a distance of up to 500 meters. This year it is planned to test the ballistic characteristics of the product, in 2018-m to conduct its tests.

View of the Middle East

An impressive exposition of developments was launched at the exhibition by the scientific and technical center LEMT of the BelOMO holding, one of the largest Eastern European optics manufacturers. The range of novelties of STC "LEMT" is wide - from a holographic sight for a small rifle weapons to environmental surveillance systems. According to Alexey Shkadarevich, director of the center, the PC-12 collimator sight for the AK-12 assault rifle is not inferior to the best world models, for example, M4 developed by the Swedish company Aimpoint, and can withstand recoil when fired from an mounted rifle grenade launcher. Provides work at different illumination, can be used in conjunction with a night vision device. The sight maintains tightness when submerged to a depth of five meters, has a mass of no more than 300 grams, in the basic configuration it is installed on a standard Picatinny rail.

STC "LEMT" demonstrated at the exhibition sighting system for self-propelled grenade launcher complex "Quad-2" (Quad-2), created by the Jordanian company "Jadara Equipment" (Jadara Equipment). This is a unique complex that operates with an 20 accuracy of angular seconds, which provides tracking of the target and, taking into account its movement, calculates a ballistic trajectory. It is allowed to make amendments to the wind transmitted by a remote station for the analysis of weather conditions. It is intended for firing from the 4x4 Nashshab RPG-32 four-seat grenade launcher mounted on a mobile chassis. Guidance is performed using a remote-controlled unit, which can be located up to 300 meters from the launcher. The sighting system includes a television camera, a thermal imaging device and a laser rangefinder. With a weight of 90 kilograms, the firing range is from 50 to 700 meters, the angle of ascent is in the range from 5 to 30 degrees, the angle of horizontal rotation is from -85 to 85 degrees. It operates at temperatures from -20 to + 50 degrees Celsius.

The target system, for which there is already significant demand, will be produced in Jordan. The Belarusian company has invested its own funds in the construction of a plant in Amman, which will open in July of this year, has supplied equipment and trained personnel. In addition, the plant will collect optical scopes of STC "LEMT" for the Jadran sniper rifle developed by "Jadar equipment".

The position of the relevant Russian organizations, which, according to Shkadarevich, has been very cool lately towards the purchase of Belarusian military optics, is not clear. Although manufacturers of small arms appreciate the products manufactured by STC "LEMT".

From “Grad” to “Belgrade”

The Belarusian 2566 th radioelectronic armament repair plant has developed a version of the modernization of the Grado MLRS to the level of BM-21А BelGrad. In the BM-21A system, the Ural-375 chassis of the base Grad was replaced with an adapted MAZ-631705 truck. The upgraded MLRS is equipped with racks for additional ammunition for 60 rockets, while the machine has an improved rotary platform for loading from racks. BelGrad also received a new radio station. As a result of the modernization, the maximum speed of the BM-21А increased to 85 kilometers per hour, the power reserve to 1200 kilometers, engine power to 330 horsepower, and the ammunition load to 100 missiles, of which 40 is ready to launch. Time salvo MLRS "BelGrad" is 20 seconds.

The Tula NPO Splav and the Belarusian ZTEM have developed a PC upgrade project for Gradov, which makes it possible to extend the service life of 9М28Ф and 9М53Ф shells created in 80 – 90-ies. The Belarusians took upon themselves the full implementation of the project - the modernization of shells and their testing. As a result, RS modifications were obtained that are promising for retrofitting the MLRS.

Cayman and full tanks

Special attention at the exhibition was attracted by the Caiman combat armored vehicle developed by the Belarusian 140 Repair Plant OJSC, adopted for supplying the national armed forces. "Cayman" is a light all-wheel drive BBM with wheel formula 4х4, intended primarily for reconnaissance and sabotage operations. The machine is equipped with an independent suspension, providing high permeability, can overcome water obstacles without preparation thanks to two jet propulsion. The total mass of the BMV does not exceed seven thousand kilograms, the crew is six people. Armored hull provides protection from small arms fire.

One of the main trends in the military field is the creation of various robotic systems. And here Belarus, at least among the states of the post-Soviet space, occupies one of the leading places in the segment of unmanned aerial vehicles. aviation complexes (LHC) of tactical link of aircraft and helicopter type.

In this direction, tactical LHC short-range "Bercut-1" and "Mosquito" were created; tactical LHC short range "Bercut-2"; multifunctional tank “Grief-100”, operating at a distance of 100 kilometers, as well as target loads that can be used independently. Separate samples have already been adopted in the units of the Armed Forces and the State Border Committee. At present, the SSAC is holding events for organizing the management of different types of LHCs when they are jointly used from a single point developed by AGAT - Control System OJSC.

Creating a BAC for various purposes is planned to continue. As a priority direction is considered a long-range UAC and duration of flight.

The tasks set by the SSEC for 2016 have been completed, stressed Sergey Gurulev. Growth in industrial production increased in 1,5, investment - in 1,9 times. The plan for net profit is doubled. Among the priorities of 2017 of the year are diversification and an increase in export supplies, a reduction in the cost of production, a reduction in foreign overdue receivables and excess stocks of finished products, a rise in wages to an acceptable level, with faster growth of labor productivity.
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  1. +5
    3 June 2017 08: 11
    Belarusians are clearly following the best option - bringing the performance characteristics of weapons and related equipment to the required level with minimal cost. Having a greater scientific and technical potential and small rubles, they have no desire to spread the design work on several design bureaus, which in most cases does not lead to competition in development, but to erosion and inefficient use of allocated funds. Competition and new developments at the expense of budgetary funds is not a competition, but a way of earning.
    1. +9
      3 June 2017 08: 24
      And what to do, it’s easy for anyone now, but the dad will not let him smear - he’s well smeared our hockey players, otherwise everyone in the ice palace laughing
    2. +4
      3 June 2017 09: 12
      It is possible that the Belarusian Polonaise will be tested in the cities of Donbass.
      1. +1
        3 June 2017 17: 02
        With a change of power, Lukashenko may not quarrel with Russia
      2. +3
        3 June 2017 21: 50
        That's it! There are no guarantees that all these weapons systems will not be friendly transferred to Ukraine, given the position of Lukashenko, he already supplies the Ukrainian army with cars and diesel fuel. Therefore, it is clear why Russia is cautious about cooperation with the military-industrial complex of Belarus.
  2. +1
    3 June 2017 08: 19
    So it seems like some of our electronic warfare systems have Belarusian filling ...
  3. NKT
    +6
    3 June 2017 09: 07
    Quote: Expelling Liberoids
    So it seems like some of our electronic warfare systems have Belarusian filling ...


    But this is bad, you need to transfer everything to the territory of the Russian Federation, it seems that experience with Ukraine has not taught us anything.
    1. +7
      3 June 2017 10: 18
      Quote: NKT
      it seems that the experience with Ukraine taught us nothing.
      Yes, apparently, he won’t teach! Let's transfer everything and see what happens .. you don’t want to buy from the Old Man so there are no questions, he will start buying an armory quietly in the west and everything’s going to this .. hahaha I just imagine what patriots will raise here howls .. ...
      1. +9
        3 June 2017 11: 09
        And it’s better to completely remove Belarus from allowance. She does not support us politically and does not repay loans. And in case of any attempt to recover, he yells out his independence and multi-vector approach. Constantly threatens to move to the western camp. Do we need such an disloyal and insolvent ally? And the best thing is to simply join Belarus to Russia. And no preferences. Luka - to the dustbin of history, Petrova - to vodka.
  4. +3
    3 June 2017 10: 20
    And why not Russia to buy Polonaise?
    1. +3
      3 June 2017 11: 11
      A polonaise is not needed, we have a Tornado-S. Anyway, even Russia does not really need Belarusian goods. Their presence in the market is a purely political step. They have no economic justification.
  5. +2
    3 June 2017 10: 30
    How much money does a Polonaise volley go for?
    1. +2
      4 June 2017 04: 59
      Quote: Bronevick
      How much money does a Polonaise volley go for?

      Apparently not as budgetary as we would like.
      Given that there are no videos of multiple launch rocket launches, even tests, not to mention the exercises.
      Maybe the West-2017 exercises will demonstrate such launches, or maybe not, who knows what the scenario is.
  6. +1
    3 June 2017 11: 15
    Quote: Basarev
    A polonaise is not needed, we have a Tornado-S. Anyway, even Russia does not really need Belarusian goods. Their presence in the market is a purely political step. They have no economic justification.

    YES? And what goods does Russia produce? AND? By quality, Belarusian goods are superior to Russian ones. We all have plants. And Lukashenko has preserved the Soviet legacy.
    1. NKT
      +6
      3 June 2017 13: 51
      And the Russian Federation, as always, pays for such a conservation of factories, then Ukraine was helped - $ 400 billion, the territory of Belarus at $ 10 billion a year, and it cannot even support the Russian Federation - it’s still an ally.

      What Belarusian goods? Shrimp or something?
      1. +1
        3 June 2017 17: 10
        What Belarusian goods? Shrimp or something?
        For example, a slave gearbox in armored Urals delivers
    2. +1
      4 June 2017 18: 03
      Well, oil produces gas.
      1. +1
        4 June 2017 19: 25
        Stopudovo, and also thinners and solvents. laughing
    3. 0
      4 June 2017 19: 27
      Ilya, now is 2017, not 1995. Please return to earth from the planet Katruk and do not write your fables. laughing
  7. 0
    3 June 2017 11: 16
    Quote: Basarev
    A polonaise is not needed, we have a Tornado-S. Anyway, even Russia does not really need Belarusian goods. Their presence in the market is a purely political step. They have no economic justification.

    And do not forget that Belarus is a union state.
    1. 0
      5 June 2017 02: 22
      Quote: Ilja2016
      And do not forget that Belarus is a union state.

      Till...
  8. 0
    3 June 2017 11: 17
    Quote: Bronevick
    How much money does a Polonaise volley go for?

    Well, how much?
  9. +6
    3 June 2017 14: 51
    Quote: NKT
    And the Russian Federation, as always, pays for such a conservation of factories, then Ukraine was helped - $ 400 billion, the territory of Belarus at $ 10 billion a year, and it cannot even support the Russian Federation - it’s still an ally.
    What Belarusian goods? Shrimp or something?

    With such a policy, Russia will soon have no allies at all. We act like an elephant in a china shop. We arrange Belarus that dairy then gas war. The Chinese do not behave like that, so here they will overtake us.
    1. +3
      3 June 2017 18: 45
      Man you forgot Russia has no allies except the army and navy
    2. +4
      3 June 2017 23: 47
      Quote: Ilja2016
      With such a policy, Russia will soon have no allies at all.

      With such allies, enemies are not necessary. Well, someone who, and this mustachioed collective farmer for 30 pieces of silver will surrender us without hesitation.
  10. +3
    3 June 2017 14: 58
    Quote: Basarev
    And it’s better to completely remove Belarus from allowance. She does not support us politically and does not repay loans. And in case of any attempt to recover, he yells out his independence and multi-vector approach. Constantly threatens to move to the western camp. Do we need such an disloyal and insolvent ally? And the best thing is to simply join Belarus to Russia. And no preferences. Luka - to the dustbin of history, Petrova - to vodka.

    What loans? This is a union state. And we destroyed our factories so now the Belarusian serve. You better see what roads there. It’s just that you have to conduct an honest policy with a union state, and not engage in cheating. If in the gas agreement there is one price and Russia requires Belarusians to pay for another, what is it called?
    1. NKT
      +2
      3 June 2017 19: 19
      That's it, there is one price, and Belarus considers it in its own way and is still outraged. And what is the result with $ 700 million? The debt is recognized, although it was paid off at the expense of the loan issued by the Russian government. And how many words have been said. As always, spoons were found, but the sediment remained.
    2. +2
      4 June 2017 19: 23
      I read you - it seems that the AHL itself dictates to you. laughing

      1) The plants remained - no one needed, with outdated equipment, without modernization, in debt like silk - which we are invited to combine again laughing

      In Belarus there are two values ​​BelarusKali and MZKT.

      2) What is your honest policy: $ 0 billion a year for nishtyakov, the open market of the Russian Federation, 1 million guest workers - this is dishonest, then free and with things to go.

      3) In the contract, the price of gas is tied to the price of oil, the mustachioed demon himself chose the dollar payment, but did not deliver the promised gas under the contract - however, why should I tell you about this - if there is a feeling that you just arrived from the planet Katruk.

      The unpleasant truth is that the economy of the Republic of Belarus does not supplement the economy of the Russian Federation, the local market is tiny and unattractive to investment - you want everything to be fair and fair to execute agreements and switch to quotas in the European Union. Something like this. laughing
    3. 0
      1 February 2018 15: 35
      And what, what is a union state? Yes, it would be better to send this money to their regions than to Belarus.
  11. +6
    3 June 2017 14: 59
    This is all ... wonderful ...
    Belarus ... Our strategic ally ....
    But. Some trends ... alarming ...
    1. We were denied the opportunity to base the Air Force in Belarus.
    2. In the media of Minsk ....
    There is a "creeping replacement" ... of a common history ...
    To the "Belarusian" ... With the "Great Belarusians" ...
    "Wild senseless Horde" (This is us ...)
    And in general, I read Belarusian publications ...
    By the way, open ... Available ...
    What ... THE BASIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR ...
    LEGALLY ON THE BELARUSIAN PEOPLE ...
    And Russia ... So ... On the sidelines ... stood ...
    All these facts ... Must alert us!
  12. +5
    3 June 2017 18: 02
    Quote: Gradient 3
    This is all ... wonderful ...
    Belarus ... Our strategic ally ....
    But. Some trends ... alarming ...
    1. We were denied the opportunity to base the Air Force in Belarus.
    2. In the media of Minsk ....
    There is a "creeping replacement" ... of a common history ...
    To the "Belarusian" ... With the "Great Belarusians" ...
    "Wild senseless Horde" (This is us ...)
    And in general, I read Belarusian publications ...
    By the way, open ... Available ...
    What ... THE BASIC CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SECOND WORLD WAR ...
    LEGALLY ON THE BELARUSIAN PEOPLE ...
    And Russia ... So ... On the sidelines ... stood ...
    All these facts ... Must alert us!

    Russia is to blame for all these problems. Lukashenko’s regime cannot exist without external recharge. And Lukashenko is forced to seek loans in the West in order to avoid default. And no need for a creeping replacement of history. We have a memory of the Soviet Union and a common victory in the Second World War as alive as nowhere in the post-Soviet space.
    1. 0
      4 June 2017 18: 23
      Well, have you been given much in the West? laughing
  13. +6
    3 June 2017 18: 05
    Quote: Basarev
    And it’s better to completely remove Belarus from allowance. She does not support us politically and does not repay loans. And in case of any attempt to recover, he yells out his independence and multi-vector approach. Constantly threatens to move to the western camp. Do we need such an disloyal and insolvent ally? And the best thing is to simply join Belarus to Russia. And no preferences. Luka - to the dustbin of history, Petrova - to vodka.

    And Cuba strongly supports you which you have forgiven a debt of $ 30 billion? Almost all Belarusian military enterprises work for your defense industry. You have nothing to replace our optics with. Wheel tractors too. And do not forget that our enterprises also help you get some production technologies and goods that you cannot buy directly in the west.
    1. +3
      3 June 2017 18: 38
      Without gas, oil free loans and the market and see what you produce
      1. +4
        3 June 2017 20: 46
        What does it have to do with it? Of course, without free oil and loans it will be hard. But if you do not want to sponsor the Lukashenko regime, he will turn the whole country to the west. If Russia always supported Belarus on all economic issues, then Lukashenuo would answer the same. And Crimea would have long recognized Abkhazia. Any, even the most non-negative, negative movement of Russia in relation to the economy of the Republic of Belarus causes big problems here. The margin of safety of our economy is extremely low, and Old Man has to look partly to the west.
        1. +5
          3 June 2017 21: 08
          It will be not just hard but deadly there is no market in Europe; your goods are not needed; yours is enough China is a great stone
          So onions its monarchy just wants to make only no resources
          There are only two exits
          Composition in Russia
          Or the end
          1. +5
            3 June 2017 23: 13
            Fatally certainly will not. Our people didn’t go through this. Yes, and Europe will support a little. But Russia will really have a very hard time without the last ally and a buffer zone of 600 km. I’m telling you once again, the power of the Republic of Belarus, just like the people, is very well disposed towards the Russian Federation and it’s not worth it to spoil this situation with ill-conceived steps.
            1. +1
              4 June 2017 04: 10
              Russia has only two allies, the army and navy
              And what did you go there
            2. +1
              4 June 2017 19: 06
              The level of your protection - the "buffer zone" is the same as that of the brown substance - ammunition.

              Europe has already supported Ukraine laughing

              Russia has two allies - the Army and the Navy, everything else is optional, like tales about trenches, kisses and promises. fellow
        2. +3
          4 June 2017 00: 13
          Quote: karpusha
          But if you do not want to sponsor the Lukashenko regime, he will turn the whole country to the west.

          Forward, a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck. To European salaries and pensions. Belarus - CE Europe wassat
          Who needs you in the west? They need competitors in the market just as much as we do. That is in no way. And there are enough freeloaders.
          Quote: karpusha
          If Russia always supported Belarus on all economic issues, then

          Guys, you completely collapsed from oak there. You do not repay loans, you set gas prices yourself, are rude on international issues, and arrest Russian officials. You live under the protection of the Russian Federation, its nuclear umbrella, use the preferences in our domestic market, and trade in smuggling. And now you also have to give money? Do not crack with you? Won't stick together?
          1. +1
            4 June 2017 19: 00
            It makes no sense to explain - they live in captivity of illusions about friendship for money. laughing
        3. +2
          4 June 2017 16: 18
          karpusha Yesterday, 00:46 ↑
          What does it have to do with it? Of course, without free oil and loans it will be hard. But if you do not want to sponsor the Lukashenko regime, he will turn the whole country to the west.

          And who needs it there in the west. If anything, then there will be another sider in Russia. Let him choose a place.
          1. +1
            4 June 2017 19: 28
            Can go to Maduro, at least for the time being can wink
        4. +2
          4 June 2017 18: 39
          1) For starters, stop writing Russia with a small letter.

          2) As a state, the Republic of Belarus is bankrupt. - You are not saved even by tolling oil, which forms a share in industry of more than 13%, and in export - about 17%.
          https://news.tut.by/economics/545601.html - а собственной нефти хватит дай Бог только для внутреннего рынка.

          3) "If Russia always supported Belarus on all economic issues" - $ 10 billion a year for nishtyakov, the open market of the Russian Federation, 1 million guest workers - you have few - that means there is no limit to greed.

          4) Your agronomist can look anywhere - but no one wants to invest in you, even China, which buys tens of billions in Africa, builds warehouse complexes for you in Great Stone exclusively on credit.

          5) Want to repeat the experience of Ukraine, start a conversation about NATO bases, and the fraternity will end at that moment.
    2. +1
      4 June 2017 19: 08
      Undoubtedly, all your enterprises work for nothing - and not for foreign exchange earnings. Everything can be replaced except for freebies from Russia for tales about trenches. lol
    3. +1
      5 June 2017 02: 40
      karpusha

      And Cuba strongly supports you which you forgave the debt of 30 billion dollars?

      And yours, what’s the matter, do you think someone else’s money or if we for Cuba have forgiven you do not have to pay money for gas?
      Almost all Belarusian military enterprises work for your defense industry.

      Because nobody needs your defense products anymore and if you lose orders from the RF Ministry of Defense, the whole Republic of Belarus will go to work in the Russian Federation, and Parashenko No. 2 will sit in Minsk
      You have nothing to replace our optics with.

      Read the test article:
      The position of the relevant Russian organizations, which, according to Shkadarevich, has been very cool lately regarding the purchase of Belarusian military optics, is not clear.

      Wheel tractors too.

      How many Belarusian are there in these burdens?
      And do not forget that our enterprises also help you get some production technologies.

      Which ones?
      goods that you cannot buy directly in the west.

      You mean Belarusian shrimp, lobster and apples (which you sold three times more last year than they grew in Belarus) ....
      I think the project of the Union State of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus has outlived itself, and the EAC is a temporary association and testing platform and all the developments will go to the SCO, and the EAC will cease to exist .... by that time, I think the Republic of Belarus will be different, possibly within other borders (if nationalists or Russophobes will come to power in Minsk ...) ...
  14. +1
    3 June 2017 18: 08
    Quote: Expelling Liberoids
    So it seems like some of our electronic warfare systems have Belarusian filling ...

    I will tell you more. Almost all military equipment in the Russian Federation has a Belarusian filling. Optics, computing and sighting systems, chassis for ballistic missiles.
  15. 0
    3 June 2017 22: 07
    Quote: NKT
    Quote: Expelling Liberoids
    So it seems like some of our electronic warfare systems have Belarusian filling ...

    But this is bad, you need to transfer everything to the territory of the Russian Federation, it seems that experience with Ukraine has not taught us anything.

    So what's the deal? Go ahead. As they say, you will succeed! Not all the time you pump oil and gas from the bowels. For starters, for example, restore the Bryansk and Kurgan automobile plants so that tractors for Iskanders are not bought from the MZKT. So, the flag is in your hands!
    1. +1
      4 June 2017 18: 59
      It’s not for you to give us such advice - try to put your engineering in order — otherwise, apart from the MZKT, the others are in a half-fainting state. laughing

      http://naviny.by/article/20170601/1496332394-tonu
      shchie-flagmany-neftyanye-baryshi-belarusi-skukoz
      hilis-modernizaciya

      https://news.tut.by/economics/540952.html

      And don’t worry about us, we have money and brains. laughing
      1. +1
        4 June 2017 20: 41
        Quote: Astoria
        And don’t worry about us, we have money and brains. laughing

        You have the money, but with the brain, it seems, problems. However, as well as ours.
        1. +1
          5 June 2017 08: 56
          well ate - so ate laughing , there is money - we will find brains, do not worry. Worry that your mustachioed demon, by tongue-tied tongue, hasn’t yet blurt out something, otherwise last year it cost 6 million tons of oil.
  16. +4
    3 June 2017 23: 16
    Eh, the Russians, if YOUR fathers and Grandfathers would rise from our Belorussian land, who died during the defense and the offensive in the 41-45 years, then they most likely tore off YOU ears, for everything that you write about Belarus. Russia and Belarus are two wells of clean water remaining in the post-Soviet space, so, DO NOT SAVE there, it’s useful to get some water to drink.
    1. +5
      4 June 2017 00: 20
      Belarusians, you would finally decide. Are you proud and independent or with the Russian content? And then the dual situation turns out. I’m kind of a decent woman, but I really need money ...
      And for my grandfather, who in Leningrad he made shells as a kid, I myself will turn the womb to anyone.
      1. +1
        4 June 2017 00: 52
        We want to be a separate state, but in alliance with Russia. What's bad about it?
        1. NKT
          +5
          4 June 2017 08: 32
          Yes, we are not against even two hands - FOR, but that’s bad, and you have confirmed it with your phrases that you want money for an alliance with the Russian Federation, i.e. your union - has only commercial gain. And this, for our part, is a shame. There is a phrase - A friend is in need. Belarus has already shown itself twice in 2008 and 2014, but what will happen if they again want to repeat 1941? After all, in your country you can already see the sprouts that appeared in their time in Ukraine - a separate nation with its own history and "scolding Muscovites."
          And an immodest question for you. Why do you want to be independent? We are one people with a common history, culture, language, and have always been together - we were artificially divided in 1991. The whole of Europe is united, but we, on the contrary, are divided.
          1. +1
            4 June 2017 15: 42
            NKT. So we want to be independent of those who shared US. Put your SELF in order, get rid of those who have divided us and their accomplices, and WE will again become a GREAT COUNTRY.
            1. +1
              4 June 2017 18: 48
              Better be a separate state, independent, and most importantly economically self-sufficient. However, this is only a dream. laughing
        2. +2
          4 June 2017 18: 41
          Well, so be it, otherwise you remind a woman with low social responsibility.
      2. 0
        4 June 2017 15: 35
        Winnie76. That the truth hurts my eyes, so hide behind the fact that Russia feeds Belarus, that is, a kept woman. If you put YOUR Russians in our conditions of existence, without energy, then I would see where YOU would be and where you would be caught.
        1. +1
          4 June 2017 18: 46
          And you do not look at US. Many successful states live without resources, many at the expense of resources, but the mustachioed demon likes to live at the expense of strangers laughing
    2. +1
      4 June 2017 18: 50
      How it comes to money - I immediately remember the trenches. Well, if you are ready for the trenches, then what didn’t let the base be placed then? laughing
    3. +2
      6 June 2017 00: 27
      I support, it is necessary to help the brothers, and when you immediately demand something in return it is not help, it is self-interest. Then someone said that Belarus has only two enterprises, this is nonsense, there are about 20 serious machine-building industries that bring stable profits and our aligarchs like they dream to take their hands on them. Because besides the goods there is a market niche. You’re scooping up here like women in the market, it should be a shame. Anyone who participated in this verbal debate would take off epaulettes.
      1. 0
        6 June 2017 11: 29
        Pivot. Well, well, Kamaz pays $ 1000 for 60 cubes, 2.5 cents per 1 kW. electricity, and Maz and other enterprises in Belarus, pay $ 130 per 1000 cubic meters, and 11,2 cents for electricity. So what kind of help comes out here?
        1. +1
          6 June 2017 12: 38
          AHL plucks you like sticky, and you have all the Russians to blame. Maybe you should give your pants back and the key to the apartment where the money is. For the Belarusian enterprises, the general gas tariff in 2016 was $ 276,8 per thousand cubic meters. m (preferential for some enterprises - 160 dollars, and in 2017 - 168 dollars).
        2. 0
          6 June 2017 14: 55
          Old man, I say that Belarus needs help, and it should be a shame to us all, because all this looks like a swearing squabble of aunts on the market.
      2. +1
        6 June 2017 12: 43
        1) Help, but at the expense of your pocket.

        2) 20 serious engineering industries - they are serious, but only in a backward pre-bankrupt state.

        3) before you tear off something, try to use your head not only for eating. laughing
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          6 June 2017 15: 04
          Astoria, you are a typical squabble woman, I think it’s not up to you to decide who needs to be helped, we have a president, and he determines this, so before you fart in a puddle, strain and think, I understand this is an impossible task for you, but it's better first think and then talk.
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        6 June 2017 13: 47
        Pivot Today, 00: 27 ↑
        I support, it is necessary to help the brothers, and when you immediately demand something in return it is not help, it is self-interest. Then someone said that Belarus has only two enterprises, this is nonsense, there about xnumx serious engineering production which bring a stable profit

        Call them pzhl ....
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          6 June 2017 15: 10
          I think these names will not tell you anything, but I have no time or desire to enlighten you, people who are trying to drive a wedge into the unity of fraternal peoples, such as you just quarreled between Russia and Ukraine, are extremely disliked. As you always owe everything, help is for that and help that is done disinterestedly
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            6 June 2017 17: 09
            Quote: Pivot
            I think these names will not say anything to you.

            Well, it’s clear again blah blah blah, are you afraid that I’ll break their financial condition by SPARK today?
            I am extremely disliked by people who are trying to drive a wedge into the unity of fraternal peoples, such as you just quarreled Russia and Ukraine

            Is there reason to say so? Not. So blah blah blah again.
            As you always owe everything, help is for that and help that is done disinterestedly

            Help is over, that's enough, my RSFSR under the Union was the poorest republic, because the entire union budget went to other republics and fraternal countries, where they are now, almost all in NATO.
            Give an example of the disinterested assistance of Belarus or Ukraine to the Russian Federation, we all here on the site carefully listen to both about the friendship of peoples and about "loans from Ukraine and Belarus received by the Russian Federation" .....
            You do not have such information, so sit quietly and do not carry propaganda about how to share with other "fraternal countries" ....
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              6 June 2017 22: 01
              I hear this disgust from you, I immediately recall Dales’s plan, nevertheless, this vileness acts, thanks to people like you, instead of closing ranks in case of danger, such as you running around taking care of your ass. All the best to you Dales product.
  17. +2
    4 June 2017 10: 43
    Quote: NKT
    That's it, there is one price, and Belarus considers it in its own way and is still outraged. And what is the result with $ 700 million? The debt is recognized, although it was paid off at the expense of the loan issued by the Russian government. And how many words have been said. As always, spoons were found, but the sediment remained.

    Belarus considers at the price that is in the contract. Don't talk nonsense
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      4 June 2017 18: 44
      Show where in the contract the figure is 70 dollars, until you show, your statements are exclusively not serious. laughing
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        6 June 2017 13: 50
        Quote: Astoria
        Show where in the contract the figure is 70 dollars, until you show, your statements are exclusively not serious. laughing

        Yes, it is necessary to file a lawsuit with the Republic of Belarus, they will figure it out everything, and after satisfying the claim for payment of the principal debt, it will be possible to file separate claims for damages, the Russian Federation should not ...
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    4 June 2017 10: 45
    Quote: karpusha
    Quote: Expelling Liberoids
    So it seems like some of our electronic warfare systems have Belarusian filling ...

    I will tell you more. Almost all military equipment in the Russian Federation has a Belarusian filling. Optics, computing and sighting systems, chassis for ballistic missiles.

    I agree with you. Thanks to Alexander Grigorievich for keeping the Soviet defense industry
  19. 0
    4 June 2017 20: 15
    Quote: Astoria
    And don’t worry about us, we have money and brains. laughing

    You have the money, but with the brain, it seems, problems. However, as well as ours.
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      5 June 2017 02: 53
      Quote: Rasen
      Quote: Astoria
      And don’t worry about us, we have money and brains. laughing

      You have the money, but with the brain, it seems, problems. However, as well as ours.

      And you will turn out with friendship to those who have brains and money, in the EU or the USA, they can do anything good, of course they will laugh at the products of your MZKT (there you can’t drive such cars in the EU and the USA not in ecology, not in terms of economy, nor according to motor resources), Germans will vpar their optics or something.
      And who told you that optics are not being made in the Russian Federation?
      You don’t get lost in the main thing, otherwise, as a result of import substitution, the RF Ministry of Defense will refuse the services of the military-industrial complex of the Republic of Belarus, and the RF has nothing more to offer you ....
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        5 June 2017 08: 57
        As nothing - and Polish milk with Polish apples laughing
  20. +1
    5 June 2017 15: 29
    Quote: Basarev
    A polonaise is not needed, we have a Tornado-S. Anyway, even Russia does not really need Belarusian goods. Their presence in the market is a purely political step. They have no economic justification.

    The last half century (and, incidentally, Iskander OTRK) all mobile complexes of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia have been based on the Minsk Tractors (MZKT) (this means that Russia does not need Belarusian goods, it may not need potatoes (I agree) but) google (for general development) "lieutenant colonel of divan troops" what is the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia and OTRK "Iskander". Everyone understands that Russia will create an analogue (honor and praise - it has not successfully dealt with such troubles), but when it will not be in the layout or model but in a production machine and whether your grandchildren will see it.
    1. +1
      5 June 2017 15: 44
      Andryukha G stop playing battlefield laughing
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        5 June 2017 16: 10
        You can just r
  21. 0
    6 June 2017 17: 32
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    Quote: Pivot
    I think these names will not say anything to you.

    Well, it’s clear again blah blah blah, are you afraid that I’ll break their financial condition by SPARK today?
    I am extremely disliked by people who are trying to drive a wedge into the unity of fraternal peoples, such as you just quarreled Russia and Ukraine

    Is there reason to say so? Not. So blah blah blah again.
    As you always owe everything, help is for that and help that is done disinterestedly

    Help is over, that's enough, my RSFSR under the Union was the poorest republic, because the entire union budget went to other republics and fraternal countries, where they are now, almost all in NATO.
    Give an example of the disinterested assistance of Belarus or Ukraine to the Russian Federation, we all here on the site carefully listen to both about the friendship of peoples and about "loans from Ukraine and Belarus received by the Russian Federation" .....
    You do not have such information, so sit quietly and do not carry propaganda about how to share with other "fraternal countries" ....

    Your mistake is that you ALREADY divide one country into several countries. The RSFSR and others. Thanks to this, we shared that you were hammered into the heads — that we are not one country — Russia — but all are different. Our enemies, traitors and greedy corrupt thieves. Which divided our country.
    In Russia, all resources must be distributed-evenly. If something is not in one place and this is in this place, it is not enough, but in another place in Russia it is something taken from this place of Russia and sent to that place of Russia, where it no. And from this place it is taken what is not in that place. So-even distribution of resources makes the whole of Russia strong. And not only certain regions and lands.
    1. +1
      6 June 2017 17: 42
      You slander on us. This is sin.
      RB did not support any geopolitical project of the Russian Federation.
      We do not have joint economic projects.
      Maybe you do not know about Belarusian nationalists?
    2. +1
      8 June 2017 08: 21
      Your mistake is that you sucked and can not come off laughing
      There will be less free resources, leave tales about joint trenches for grandchildren wink
  22. 0
    6 June 2017 17: 55
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    You slander on us. This is sin.
    RB did not support any geopolitical project of the Russian Federation.
    We do not have joint economic projects.
    Maybe you do not know about Belarusian nationalists?

    Because now RB is not Russia. I already told you this and pointed out this because of these problems. Now RB is not Russia, but A SEPARATE FROM RUSSIA AND A COUNTRY, SEPARATE, SOVEREIGN, INDEPENDENT STATE.
    And you pointed out to me in disputes that you are all controlling the patipa. I pointed out to you your error. You cannot control a sovereign state.
    And at the time when Belarus was part of Russia, it was Russia. Although you want Belarus to obey you, agreed on everything, it is necessary to make sure that Belarus, by its will and desire, quietly, peacefully becomes part of Russia.
    Russia needs to recover to the size of the USSR. Without war, quietly, peacefully. Calmly so that all former republics will themselves be part of Russia. They asked. I-Belarus is Russia.
    We talked about this. You argued with me.
  23. 0
    6 June 2017 17: 58
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO

    Maybe you do not know about Belarusian nationalists?

    Judging by my conversations with people in Belarus, I know: with relatives, friends, workers, casual companions - ALL BELARUS, ALL BELARUSIANS, ALL CITIZENS OF BELARUS - JUST DREAMING TO ENTER RUSSIA.
    And those who ride, there are very few of them. You must work to ensure that Belarus becomes part of Russia. As long as we are Belarusians, the people of Belarus, we still remember that we are one country. Until we brought up a generation against the Russians and did not drive them in the head-hell that. While there is still time.
    Here's a video about horses in Belarus. Count dislikes, EVERYONE IN BELARUS DOES NOT SUPPORT THEM, AND FOR RUSSIAN ORTHODOX, FOR RUSSIA ORTHODOX. FOR JOINING RUSSIA.


    I told you that wherever there is no Russian soldier, a stranger comes. In order for there to be no stranger soldiers in Belarus, there should be our-Russian soldiers in Belarus. For this, Belarus should be part of Russia. It should be part of Russia. To be-Russia, obey the Russian president, so that the Russian president-was the master of Belarus. And this is possible-if Belarus becomes part of Russia-will be Russia.
  24. 0
    6 June 2017 18: 09
    Quote: DOCTOR ZLO
    You slander on us. This is sin.
    RB did not support any geopolitical project of the Russian Federation.
    We do not have joint economic projects.
    Maybe you do not know about Belarusian nationalists?

    My friend, everything is very simple. Look at the Russian Empire, the USSR, how much area and territory did they occupy and there were people there ???
    You see, to fight openly against such power is tantamount to suicide. Therefore, we immediately got a piece of the Russian Empire, we lost territory and people. The USSR remained, but it’s still large and powerful. It was also suicide to fight against it, and They decided to fight like that -divide us, tear us away from us, in small pieces, turning them into weak and small, setting us against each other. And when we all become small, weak, "independent" from each other, fighting with each other, they will simply cover us with a very real military conflict, stupidly purely military aggression. Because we will be weak, small and unable to give back. See how much land and territory with love together, gone with the collapse of the USSR from us!
    It's sooooooo easy.
    1. 0
      6 June 2017 18: 19
      To share us - big and strong - ANY WAYS.
      Deceit, lies, slander, false promises, all kinds of tales, where there is war, where to quarrel with each other, on nationality. On religion. Moscow feeds everyone or enough to feed the Caucasus, on the RSFSR fed everyone, we are not one country, we are all different. In the course of everything that you can think of.
      Tear off our lands and people from us and place our military bases and troops there, and turn our people into our enemies.
      Everything is impossible, everything is very simple. And so, piece by piece. Republic after republic, region after region, city after city, centimeter by centimeter, person by person.
      A very competent strategy against a large and strong adversary, possessing all resources. A strong army, large human reserves and vast territory. Against Russia is Russian Orthodox. For in a direct conflict, head-to-head is suicide.
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        6 June 2017 18: 37
        For the rich and the poor, this is also one of these divisions. So that we fight inland between ourselves. Here everything is used that only comes to mind. Enough to be naive and stupid.
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            6 June 2017 20: 04
            Al. Peresvet. Yes, do not dive with these rabid verbiage, IM prove the truth that write against the wind. They divorced in Russia like cockroaches, and until their reproduction is limited, and for this it is necessary to introduce the STALIN IDEALOGY, nothing good will happen in RUSSIA.
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  30. 0
    10 June 2017 00: 46
    Quote: Astoria

    Al Do not mess out !!! laughing

    Well, don’t be so ugly as you are. You showed yourself about yourself. laughing
  31. 0
    10 June 2017 01: 11
    Quote: Astoria
    Forgive you, not Schwonder - you still have to evolve millions of years before him, here is the level of your soul mirror laughing

    and please do not write about Orthodoxy and the Slavs, - although we are all God's creatures, human faith is not about you - you are a little provocateur. tongue About you R. Kipling wrote:
    “Banderlogs do not have the Law. They do not have their own language, only stolen words that they learn from others when they eavesdrop, and peep, and lie in wait, sitting in the trees.
    They live without a leader. They don’t remember anything. They chat and brag as if they were a great nation and conceived great things in the jungle, but then a nut will fall, and they will already laugh and forget everything.
    There are a lot of them, they are evil, dirty, shameless and only want the Jungle People to pay attention to them. But he does not notice them, even when they throw nuts and pour dirt on everyone’s head. If a sick wolf, or a wounded tiger, or a bear fell into the hands of banderlogs, they tortured the weak and threw sticks and nuts into the animals for fun, hoping that they would be noticed. They raise a howl, shouting meaningless songs, call the Jungle People to fight in their trees, start quarrels among themselves over trifles and throw dead banderlogs anywhere, showing off to the whole Jungle People. They were constantly going to get their leader, and their laws and customs, but they never got because they had a short memory, not farther than yesterday. In the end, they reconciled that they came up with a saying: "All the jungle will think tomorrow as Banderlog think today," and they were very comforted. We are great! We are free! We are admirable! Admirable, like no people in the jungle! We all say that - it means it's true! - shout banderlogs.

    Well, you wrote everything about yourself.
    Stupid idiot.
    Really, I don’t understand, why did you bander the banderlog here? Oh well, what a dumbass.
    I am the Orthodox defender of the Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox. And you are the traitor of the Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, the distributor of lands and people of the Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox.
  32. 0
    10 June 2017 01: 23
    Quote: Astoria
    I want to believe that the law enforcement bodies of the state of Belarus will get to you, if you really are her citizen, otherwise you are an ordinary little provocateur laughing
    And this is so for you, a small educational program (simple information for thought):
    Article 361. Calls for actions aimed at the expense of the external security of the Republic of Belarus, its sovereignty, territorial integrity, national security and defense
    1. Public calls for seizing state power, or forcibly changing the constitutional system of the Republic of Belarus, or betraying the state, or committing an act of terrorism or sabotage, or committing other actions to the detriment of the external security of the Republic of Belarus, its sovereignty, territorial integrity, national security and defense, or distribution of materials containing such appeals -
    shall be punished by arrest or imprisonment for a term of up to three years.
    2. Appeals addressed to a foreign state, foreign or international organization to commit acts to the detriment of the external security of the Republic of Belarus, its sovereignty, territorial integrity, national security and defense, or the dissemination of materials containing such appeals, in the absence of signs of a more serious crime -
    shall be punished by arrest or imprisonment for a term of up to three years.
    3. The actions provided for in paragraphs 1 or 2 of this article, committed using the media or the global computer network Internet, -
    the applicable sentence is deprivation of liberty for a term of two to five years.
    Yes, if suddenly you are really imprisoned - at least learn grammar laughing

    And I want to believe that the law enforcement bodies of Russia will get to you. If you are its citizen. Otherwise, you are a traitor to Russia. I say the desire of the citizens of Belarus and its people. And the citizens of Belarus, Belarus, Belarusians dream of joining Russia .Russia is our country, because we want a strong and rich country-Russia, and not a pseudo-underdeveloped half-life, which in three days will turn into ruins and ashes, which we were made by tearing us off from Russia (collapse of the USSR). We want - so that we never have a war, that there is peace, tranquility, protection. Therefore, we want to go home as part of Russia. We do not want Russia to attack us. WE ARE WANTED IN RUSSIA, home , the chicken is dumb.
    Baby, you better read the Russian laws, what will happen if you squander the Russian lands and muddy Orthodox Russia and Russian Orthodox and do everything to make people push their foreheads in wars against each other.
  33. 0
    10 June 2017 02: 16
    Quote: Astoria
    - learn at least grammar laughing

    I’m fine with the grammar. This is your problem if you cannot distinguish typos from ignorance of the grammar. Follow your grammar. You have a lot of mistakes in the texts.