"Traitors" from the Russian military industrial complex, or How do you want to ruin the defense industry from patriotic motives

How interestingly arranged man! More precisely, how interesting are the ways of human thought! A person is sure of one thing, and at the conclusion of his conclusions, the opposite is obtained that is conceived by another. Man rejoices in the construction of a grand object. Reprimands everyone, from a construction worker to a president to a country's president, for the deadlines for putting the object in check, for lack of funds to “speed up”. But when someone, regardless of position, finds a sponsor, often from competitors or foes, a loud “crying” about patriotism and national interests begins. They betrayed us! The foreman for an extra drawer of tiles gave the worker a neighbor to help in digging the pit for the restroom! And our construction from this can get up!

And a person does not care deeply that there are no building materials. Do not care that the worker at "our" construction site just sits. Without work, which means without salary. The main thing is that the neighbor will not have a new restroom. And try this patriot to say that he is a fool. That he is not a patriot of "our" construction, but an enemy. Rush to fight in the holy self-righteousness. "I agree once again to pierce a hole in the trouser belt! I will tighten ..." So what? From the fact that you "tighten" and "pierce a new hole in the belt," there will be money? Construction is expensive.

If right now you go to the pages of any media of a patriotic or military-political orientation, you will surely find one or even several articles about the backlog of our defense industry in ... Then you can insert anything you want. In the construction of ships. In the modernization of aircraft. In the creation of new aircraft in general. The delay in the rearmament of our Armed Forces to the new "Almaty". In the near termination of the development and further testing of many machines based on promising tank. And everywhere the angry comments of the "patriots." Sabotage!

But the most interesting thing is that no one wants to look at the GOZ for military industrial complex. On how much reduced orders for the Russian army. So, how many previously "planned" works and studies have stalled. Production is slow, but moves to the usual "hungry ration."

However, “patriotism” can strike on the other side. According to the serially created and even manufactured by our industry products. Moreover, this is also quite an interesting fact, such blows appeared not so long ago. And the main thesis of such “patriotic” radicals looks quite beautiful. It looks right. "New weapons and equipment must first fully meet the needs of the Russian army, and then be delivered abroad!"

Does anyone want to argue? The thought really "warms the soul." It’s hard not to agree. However, if you look at the very recent past, we will see a lot of interesting things that did not cause our indignation. Nobody shouts about the need to rearm the Strategic Missile Forces on the S-300 with letters. Behind the Urals, the “old men” are still armed with much worse than the 300s. Although anyone knows that it is these letters that make the complex simply magnificent for performing certain tasks. And the fact that, for example, the Varshavyanka submarine was larger than the Russian fleet? Not much, but more. And there was no "patriotic indignation"! And there are many such examples.

Today there is a lot of talk about the supply of Russian C-400 complexes to the Turks. How so? We arm a possible enemy! We ourselves strengthen our own opponents! Are the lessons of 08.08.08 forgotten by us? The Georgians shot down our planes with our own Bukami and Osam shipped from Ukraine ...

It’s easy to learn "where do legs grow from" this "patriotism". If we had delivered C-400 to Venezuela or Indonesia, none of the "defenders of the Russian army" would have even choked. On the contrary. Great deal of our "Oboronexport"! But we have one sluggishly smoldering, but not yet resolvable conflict. Nagorno-Karabakh!

A conflict that cannot be resolved yet. There is no way to convince both parties to compromise. Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis are sure that they are right and are ready to fight for Karabakh. Russia cannot offer any solution in this matter either.

Meanwhile, over the years that have passed since the collapse of the USSR, a completely new geopolitical situation has developed. Armenia became a union state. Today, its security is guaranteed not only by Russia, but also by other countries. Azerbaijan conducts its own foreign policy. And he concluded an agreement on friendship and mutual assistance with Turkey. And with "offended" Georgia, which is very eager for revenge, Baku has good relations.

What does this look like from a "sober-minded" person? Russia "betrayed" Armenia and armed the air defenses of the aggressors with their best complexes! Now Baku and Ankara will be able to shoot down planes with our own missiles! But this is not the "Buki" or "Wasps".

Only here the question arises. Simple. Whose planes will shoot down the Turks and Azerbaijanis over Karabakh? Armenian? Are we so naive?

Think about it The concern of the Armenian media is clear to me. On May 1, joint tactical exercises of Baku and Ankara began. Today they are finished. But the venue of the exercises is Nakhichevan. This territory has long become pro-Turkish. And the goal ... Joint actions of the Turkish and Azerbaijani armies in the context of counteraction aviation enemy in the highlands. The Armenians quite reasonably ask what enemy Baku is talking about? Moreover, practicing actions along the borders of Armenia.

And if I add to what has already been stated that the Turks are planning to carry out tripartite exercises this year? Ankara-Baku-Tbilisi? And if I add that, according to some information, the Turks planned to initially purchase similar systems from NATO? And if I add that negotiations are underway on the sidelines about the possibility of organizing the production of C-400 in Turkey? It remains only as in Ukraine - "Oboronyaku to Gilyak!".

Probably enough to "pour water" on the mill "patriotism." It's time to switch to cold logic. Switch the brain from the "patriotic frenzy" and search for enemies to a formal logic. And above all a few questions to readers.

Does anyone believe that Azerbaijan, even in alliance with Turkey, will fight with Russia? Or to provoke Russia to send troops to Armenia to cover the border? The past years have shown that Baku conducts a very adjusted foreign policy. And the maximum of what can be expected is provocations at the border. And on both sides. But for this we have a military base there.

Does anyone believe that Erdogan, having obtained almost unlimited power, would want to risk it in a conflict with Russia? Does Turkey have a chance to win? Immediately "cut off" those who have already opened their mouths to remind me of the membership of the Turks in NATO. We saw this membership. After downed aircraft VKS Russia.

Maybe someone believes that Georgia will again try to regain lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia? Repeat the 2008 war of the year? Tbilisi is well aware that for the second time the Russians will not stop in front of their capital ...

So why is selling the latest weapons profitable? Profitable Russia and profitable buyers. The first thing that needs to be understood is that the weapons we produce have analogues abroad. In some indicators worse than ours, in some better. Those who graduated from the Soviet Higher Education Institutions, remember very well how we were preparing for the examinations on the secret armament of the Soviet army. Our secret grenade launcher has almost the same characteristics as Karl Gustaf. And about the "Carlos" you can safely read in the "Foreign Military Review".

Second: weapons - a product of high technology. Modern weapons can develop and produce a limited number of countries. Therefore, the price of such weapons is "transcendental." Selling a single copy allows the plant to additionally release several new ones.

Third: truly revolutionary designs, which are not yet among competitors, are not exposed to the external market. Even when the world already knows about the existence of such weapons.

Fourth: the supply of modern weapons and equipment has a number of very significant advantages for "related products". The American Javelin is from 200 to 250 thousand dollars, and a rocket to it from 100 to 125 thousand dollars. But the system must also be serviced, repaired, changed "consumables" ...

Fifth: remember our famous Caliber cruise missiles. Just remember the tactical and technical characteristics of these missiles before and after the strike. For Russia, as the heiress of the USSR, armament is probably the only commodity that we did as all "progressive humanity". The best for yourself, and the rest is something similar ... But in the same "package."

There is one more detail about which they say little. If I produce weapons, then I thoroughly know its capabilities. And I have in the arsenal of protection from attack by just these weapons. Which one? But this is the secrets of manufacturers. In all countries.

so what? Traitors are our defenders or statesmen? If in conditions of a limited resource, states find opportunities by selling their products to fulfill a government order? Do not wait when the budget money after a month or two from the beginning of the year will come to the accounts of the plant, and make products? If you do not expect money for "science", and use their own, earned on exports? If, sorry for the pathos, do not take away money from old people and children?

Our government today is forced to "make a calm face", answering questions about the budget and the possibility of financing a variety of social and other programs. Although anyone understands that in the face of sanctions, it is difficult for us. But we do not refuse these programs.

So, dear "patriots", turn on the "thought" before shouting about treason, sabotage, arming enemies. We have no war today. And "defense" is our usual industry. She produces goods! The goods that the state buys from it in the domestic market. But the same product is in demand in the foreign market. The task of any production is to earn money. Yes, a specific product. High-tech goods. But the product is expensive ...

Comments

[satum]

The one who writes articles about supposedly "reduction" of something. or bad. economy, etc. That's full. It’s just written by the Liberals WHO PAY for writing. The bad thing is that a little literate believes in all this nonsense. For such "patriots" Any old era will be the best springboard for the destruction of real power. A COMPARISON IS THE BEST MEANS for color revolutions

[ava09]

A fount of "wisdom", such spelling mistakes are embarrassing, especially when reasoning on "adult" topics .-)
(c) But the most interesting thing is that no one wants to look at the SDO for the military-industrial complex. On how much orders are reduced for the Russian army. This means how many previously "planned" works and studies have stalled. Production is slowly but moving on to the usual "hungry rations". (with)
You will not say anything - a powerful argument from Staver. But for some reason he did not say a word that the roots of this problem lie in the colonial (raw-material) economy, inscribed in the Western market and completely dependent on the dollar. We can procrastinate as much as we like about the patriots and the fifth column — the opposite poles of one process, both of which are bad because they are not the “Golden mean”. This applies to everything, both industry and production, and the state defense order, as well as to all spheres of society’s life without exception, but so far we are living in the capitalist system of social and economic relations, the State Ideology of which was proclaimed in 1991 - “Enrich who can and how can ", all the" fiery "and flameless speeches - a shaking of the air ...

[Stas157]

. Does anyone believe that Erdogan, having received almost unlimited power, will want to risk it in a conflict with Russia?

This is not a matter of faith. They believe in churches, but in politics they do not rely on faith. What can be expected of Erdogan’s psychopath, his impulsive behavior, is known both in Europe (his direct accusations of Nazism) and in Moscow. It was madness and an adventure to bring down a plane of a country that could in two counts smash all strategic objects in Turkey! But, nevertheless, Erdogan went for it. Transferring the issue of Turkish aggression against Russia, from the hypothetical to the practical part.

[Monarchist]

Stas 157, how do you think Volodya needed to react: did they bomb Turkey? The Sultan itself is a pimple on ***, but all NATO countries will "sign" there. While creating
We were ALMOST equal to the union, and now who will "fit" Dushanbe, Bishkek or "father" for us? He did not even recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, and they “see” Crimea as Ukrainian.
As you like, but I think: Vladimir Vladimirovich RIGHT: "a bad world is better than a good quarrel"

[Forest]

Yes, on land, the ATS in Europe could be knocked out by NATO, and then batter with your fleet. And now - European countries are only more than our army ready to expose Shoblu.

[ava09]

Quote: Monarchist

As you like, but I think: Vladimir Vladimirovich RIGHT: "a bad world is better than a good quarrel"

And you are right, if you do not take into account the logical conclusion: “a bad world is better than a good quarrel, but sooner or later it will turn around” ...

[Evgeniy667b]

The quarrel will obviously be serious, And what are we going to squander material resources for / trading in the latest, regardless of faces, destroying the mobilization resource /, Vladimir Vladimirovich, who don’t understand anything at all, or is his shirt closer to his body? And then, how much of the proceeds from the sale of weapons is returned to our economy, and how much is offshore and deposited in the accounts of "businessmen." It was GDP that continued the policy of destroying the structure of the economy of the USSR, going in the easy-to-use raw material direction, ignoring the reorganization of industrial production, giving it up to frank hucksters and crooks. Thus, a severe blow was inflicted on traditions and personnel in the workplace. Russia has lost many technologies, primarily in the military-industrial complex! There was a reboot of consciousness from creative to consumer, and "the train goes further and further in this direction!"

[sychiov]

ava09 Today, 08:03
that the roots of this problem lie in the colonial (raw material) economy

..... that the roots of this problem lie in the colonial (FINANCIAL) economy .....
I agree with the rest 100%.

[ava09]

Quote: sychiov

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sychiov Yesterday, 12:48 ↑ New
ava09 Today, 08:03
that the roots of this problem lie in the colonial (raw material) economy
..... that the roots of this problem lie in the colonial (FINANCIAL) economy .....

You should not find fault with words, if I write something - I write consciously. -) The Russian economy is based on the raw material principle, this is the main sector of "production", and the financial one depends on a private "firm" called "Federal Reserve System", which I mentioned.

[aybolyt678]

I agree that we do not have financial sovereignty. Stalin would be returned.

[Bibabo]

The reasons for the "patriotism" of our oligarchs are in the raw materials economy: unlike production, the deposits that give them income are tightly tied to the territory ... I don’t want to share with strangers, so globalization is not profitable. In addition, the commodity economy helps to slow down the development of society, which allows us not to change or even archaize the management system (to get more pleasure from the government). In such a situation, only an external threat requires the development of military equipment, and only sanctions - the development of at least some kind of production.

[Monarchist]

Let’s be realistic: we won’t get back to the past: then there were 15 republics of us and although most of the production capacities were in Russia and others also contributed to the economy of the Union, and now with whom will you build the Union? With father, he also said: "we have, although tiny, but OWN" apartment "'', which means you go .. If that interests me, the geyropa" accepts ".
But building socialism in a single state is difficult. Take Cuba, Fidel MUZHIK is SMART and his brother Raul is also not a doldon, but NATO gives Cuba donations to watchmen, although the junk is complete, but the fact remains. Alone now, "among the wolves" can not survive.

[aybolyt678]

I do not agree. Japan. an economy built on the need to survive.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Satum

. It’s just written by the Liberals WHO PAY for writing.

And that our economy is capable of overpowering a serious war in conditions of FULL economic isolation? And not those ridiculous sanctions that are imposed now? The budget of the Russian Federation still consists mainly of oil and gas dollars. For example, China has more from exporting children's toys.
So don’t talk about “paid liberals,” just look around. Over the past half year, gasoline has risen in price by 12-15%, with the complete absence of reasons for growth. The same can be said for products, only the percentage of price increases will be higher. And s \ n does not grow. The profitable assets are sold to foreign investors, and the money received is invested in the T-bills of a potential adversary, and they are there dead weight.
P.S. As a convinced monarchist, I cannot but recognize the fact that the Bolsheviks, having come to power, gained legitimacy not by executions, but by the Stalinist industrialization of the country. But I no longer expect this step from Putin.

[Vadim237]

"In conditions of FULL economic isolation" - This is not observed.

[Conductor]

But does Putin even think of something in enomics? It is unlikely that he is a product of the system. based on the primitive consumption of resources. And if you take DAM. so generally absurd.

[EvilLion]

Here comes the howl again. Even Chinese toys counted.

But I no longer expect this step from Putin.

And Putin is not obliged to report to you. He has already done too much for people like you to drive foreign cars and go to resorts every year, although even 20 years ago they sat for six months without a salary and poked around in the gardens. Machines get without you. Although how is it, why are we buying a machine, which in the world can sell 5 pieces a year, and do not develop absolutely everything ourselves. In fact, such as you whine and complain will always be. It’s not Putin’s business, and not Stalin’s, they also whined with him.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: EvilLion

Even Chinese toys counted.

Unworthy comparison?

Quote: EvilLion

drove foreign cars

Six year old Kalina.

Quote: EvilLion

and every year to the resorts

Add it. that I would roll at least this year?

Quote: EvilLion

Machines get without you

Where, in the same China? To say how much they produced during the USSR, or will you google it yourself on the Internet?

Quote: EvilLion

In fact, such as you whine

Why is the Internet good for some diving men? That it is possible to insult a person with impunity, and not to grab a tinsel in response.

[EvilLion]

Googled how much everything the USSR bought abroad. Fuck you would have built AvtoVAZ or KAMAZ without import.

[aybolyt678]

means of production and means of production of means of production are always bought there. But not Cheeses, Pork, furniture, rags. Phones Cars.

[EvilLion]

And for a long time cheeses have been bought from us, except for really expensive varietals, because French cheese is suddenly produced in France, it is only Armenian cognac, and Soviet champagne.
A phone for the survival of the country is not critical, but the car is very much. Especially freight. As the Soviet Union produced cars, I hope you don’t need to remind them, well, there weren’t enough resources so that everyone could travel to the country in a personal car.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: EvilLion

Fuck you would have built AvtoVAZ or KAMAZ without import.

And how much did you export? If you compare with current realities?
P.S. The French invented ballet. But it is the Russian ballet school that rules.

[EvilLion]

But hardly much more than now, especially since before KAMAZ heavy trucks in the USSR were absent as a class.

[Orang]

Quote: EvilLion

Before KAMAZ, heavy trucks in the USSR were absent as a class.

YaAZ, KrAZ, MAZ, BelAZ.

[Conductor]

Constitution of the Russian Federation, read chapter 4, before making rash


Article 83

President of Russian Federation:

a) appoint, with the consent of the State Duma, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation;

b) has the right to chair meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation;

c) decide on the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation;

d) submits to the State Duma a candidate for appointment to the post of Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation; puts before the State Duma the issue of dismissal of the Chairman of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation;

e) at the suggestion of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, appoints and dismisses the deputies of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, federal ministers;

[Tsoy]

with no reasons for growth

The reasons for the growth is. Raising excise taxes, introducing new fees. Well, the conspiracy of oil companies also should not be ruled out.

[aybolyt678]

Unfortunately, the listed reasons for growth will cause only nominal growth in rubles. The reason for the growth of real production is only the repeated appreciation of the dollar

[aybolyt678]

Absolutely join !!! We, as on the threshold of the First World War, became dependent on Western investment. I believe that the economy should be treated with ideology. The main thing is we don’t need a stranger, and develop our own production.

[stas]

It was not we who got here, it was the tsarist economic policy that brought us there.
And the tsar says that, not so bad in Russia, his rating is 86%. Live and enjoy the people.
But we get more and more bumps on the head.

[aybolyt678]

you can scold the "Tsar", but you can ask yourself - what am I buying Russian? If every little person, upon purchase, SELF-DEMANDS the very bit, and makes a choice in favor of the Russian one, and will sue the manufacturer for poor quality, it does not matter which Tsar, we will make our choice and build our country. Each of us is a little king in his pocket, his apartment, garage. A foreign car worth 300 tyrov makes 18 rubles poorer than every Russian. Everyone who rides a cool foreign car spits on others.

[your1970]

And what kind of ideology are you going to treat? What kind of “raisins”? Any ideology will now cause rejection in at least 30% of the population ....
Civil War??????

[aybolyt678]

the question is very capacious, the Civil War is the last, but we have not done the first

[Bibabo]

Our "liberals" have fewer differences from the Orthodox Black Hundreds who curse liberalism: they are also supporters of the monarchy and "moral lobotomy" for the people. Without the overthrow of the monarchy, industrialization would have been impossible.

[Berkut752]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Satum

. It’s just written by the Liberals WHO PAY for writing.

And that our economy is capable of overpowering a serious war in conditions of FULL economic isolation? And not those ridiculous sanctions that are imposed now? The budget of the Russian Federation still consists mainly of oil and gas dollars. For example, China has more from exporting children's toys.
So don’t talk about “paid liberals,” just look around. Over the past half year, gasoline has risen in price by 12-15%, with the complete absence of reasons for growth. The same can be said for products, only the percentage of price increases will be higher. And s \ n does not grow. The profitable assets are sold to foreign investors, and the money received is invested in the T-bills of a potential adversary, and they are there dead weight.
P.S. As a convinced monarchist, I cannot but recognize the fact that the Bolsheviks, having come to power, gained legitimacy not by executions, but by the Stalinist industrialization of the country. But I no longer expect this step from Putin.

Dear Ingvar 72, gasoline has risen in price because oil used to be carried in buckets for refining with legs, and now on its knees.

[ARES623]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I'm like a staunch monarchist

As a convinced monarchist, I want to note that you are not competent in economic matters. This can be seen by the applied speech turnovers, which no economist will allow. All your statements are based on OBS and newspaper (news) cliches. It’s funny to read you, it’s sad to see your “pluses”.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ARES623

I want to note that you are not competent in economic matters.

HSE, SEEA. And let me say, Glazyev or Delyagin’s speech turns will be more abrupt, as an economist I’m .... shorter than that.

Quote: ARES623

Reading you is funny

Have a good laugh together? What are my words specifically funny and contrary to common sense (economic)?

[ARES623]

Quote: Ingvar 72

HSE, SEEA.

Well, if you are an economist, then it’s understandable why production is marking time. Something is wrong in your academy, there are a lot of graduates, and there is zero sense in them. Everyone is smart and literate only in words, the same Glazyev. And as it comes to business, it would be better if everyone went to vocational schools. For a couple, and lawyers organized public procurement in such a way that large ones are wasted ineptly, and it is impossible to master small enterprises on demand. I'm not talking about accounting, but this, however, is not for you ... It’s obvious that you are only studying how to sell assets to investors.

[ss29]

very much said, standing ovation.

[aybolyt678]

questions as a monarchist to a monarchist: And how much depends on the King? What can every little person do? Isn’t it time to introduce the institution of successors to the king, for continuity? is it time to nationalize the Central Bank?

[_Sergei_]

It is not necessary to compare with China. Nobody will work here for their salaries and without a pension. With a steep salary in China of 1000 yuan, in our approximately 9-10 thousand rubles. And they have no pensions.

[Kenneth]

That is, we have an advanced economy, high salaries and a decent standard of living. Maybe you're right.

[ALLxANDr]

from us - who does this?

[stas]

With us, it is with the king and his entourage.
And the people are with them, with the electorate. They will still come to the polls and vote.
It is believed that there is nothing more to choose from.

[aybolyt678]

we would have it if money were a measure of labor. And now they are a measure of oil prices. The country lacks its own production. Psychology in people is poisoned by advertising

[aws4]

Well done!!!!! run to the Kremlin for the Order of Sutuly ... a good koment left and how the races on time))))))))))))))

[Astart]

In vain, the author of # all-awards calls Patriots, In general, extremes are equally harmful

[Anton Yu]

all-warriors and cheers-patriots do no harm to the military-industrial complex, in contrast to the corrupt leaders of these enterprises.

[Astart]

One fool * can do so much, seven corrupt partners can not be overcome

[petrol cutter]

All convinced. Let them sell.

[Basarev]

And the correct answer is like the American F-22, many of our products should be banned for export. And to sell from storage bases and other clogged warehouses.

[Windoffields]

it’s bad that you are so easily convinced of any x-no.

[Uncle lee]

Against the background of the fact that hundreds of billions of dollars are exported abroad to the banks of our "partners", the sale of S-400 to anyone is a childish prank that does not deserve attention. But for the money, other complexes were released and remained at home. Damaging this model.

[Vadim237]

“Hundreds of billions of dollars are exported abroad” - Taxes for this money have been paid, so let them take them wherever they want — the money is not ours. In other countries of the world the same thing happens, they pour it in - take it away.

[andj61]

Quote: Vadim237

“Hundreds of billions of dollars are exported abroad” - Taxes for this money have been paid, so let them take them wherever they want — the money is not ours. In other countries of the world the same thing happens, they pour it in - take it away.

This money is really not ours ... But a lot of our money is exported to the west! Firstly, it is the withdrawal of money to various funds, and state ones. Even in American securities, our money received from the collection of our taxes is kept. Secondly, a lot of money flows through almost only the designated barrier of currency legislation. Submit a contract with a foreign counterparty to the bank - and send money over a hill! I couldn’t return the money or goods within the contractual terms - they renewed the contract, and the state will have no complaints against you! This is revealed only when the jur. the face stops working. Further jur. the person is fined, but money from this is not returned. And fines are exacted - at the level of half a percent! Due to the fact that it could not cope with this last year, the Federal Service for Supervision of Financial Supervision was disbanded, and its functions in this regard were transferred to customs. But under current law, no one can handle this. And you just need to go from the contractual terms for the return of goods or money to strictly established ones. It is necessary to increase the period - no problem, but the decision is made individually, plus measures are taken to ensure the transaction - insurance, bank guarantee, etc.
But we now have laws adopted at the beginning of the XNUMXs, why they do not change - it’s not clear!

[Viktor is the winner]

Clear. From the 90s to the late XNUMXs, our economy was “sharpened” as a colonial one, or as a donor controlled by military-political elites. And we all, why, with such a country rich in resources, people began to suffer, there are no roads, no weapons, etc.

[Vadim237]

"There are no roads, no weapons, etc." We have no roads because they are killed instantly and it is long and expensive to build - in our climate, new materials are needed. Everything is in order with armament, new things are coming in, of course, there is a lag from the west in some areas, but they are surmountable.

[Uncle Murzik]

Vadim 237 Yes, especially in the Navy!

[your1970]

The usual asphalt piled in Kushka by captured Germans in 1988 quite kept the passage of several tanks.
40 years old, Karl !!! 40 years old !!! ordinary shovels, stretchers, grabbers - no pavers / rollers, for the balance. Temperature drops in winter from + 25 day to -10 at night, in summer from + 60 day to +20 at night .. ..
And the Germans didn’t put asphalt simply observing the technology.
And nearby were the streets of the 70s - the usual killed with pits and potholes ....

[Grigory_78]

We have no roads because repairing roads is more profitable than doing quality. Penalties and punishments for a poorly made road are ridiculous, and are not always applied. Abroad, the warranty period for using the road is 25 years. Repair in which case - full-scale, with the replacement of the entire pillow. A couple of large-scale repairs during the warranty period lead to guaranteed bankruptcy of a large company. Feel the difference? There are faults and legislators-doumers - according to the standards, roads must withstand the load typical of the times of the USSR. Trucks now ride several times heavier on our roads. The very substrate of the road can’t stand it, it floats. And fines for congestion are again ridiculous compared to the cost of repairing roads. And - if they catch that is not a fact.
The lag is overcome with a competent approach, this is true. It remains to wait for this competent approach, and in some areas a competent approach has really appeared.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Gregory_78

The very substrate of the road can’t stand it, it floats.

That year, Tajiks laid down near the house. Already track on the pavement.

Quote: Gregory_78

And fines for congestion are again ridiculous compared to the cost of repairing roads. And - if they catch that is not a fact.

And where to catch them now?

[aybolyt678]

Because Stalin is needed!

[You Vlad]

Useless article, as it’s not possible to reach But anyway, write more, maybe it will help, although we have every fifth strategist.

[domokl]

Hmm ... The brick wall is ... But you bang your head! Maybe you can break through .... Although, how many of those near this wall lie ....
Your position is good. Or the pose they put ... in 90? "Well, can I alone?" Not one author ... Look at how many people (including you) are "rooting" for our army and defense industry.
When in the 1941 year the soldiers who were surrounded went out to their own, they were just bewildered men. How so? What to do? But ... As soon as the commander appeared, there was no Commander, more correctly, they again became a military unit, unit, unit. And they fought ... They no longer left the encirclement, but made their way! With fights!
Today we are still in the environment in which the "traitor-strategists" Grobachev and Yeltsin drove us. But we are no longer bewildered soldiers. We are a military unit! And already we are fighting with the enemy! And we have already begun to be respected for this. And be afraid! ..

[EvilLion]

As for C-400, the question is how promising this complex is in general. The superiority of 5, 10, 20% in any TTX is hardly technologically critical and cannot be eliminated by competitors in a fairly short period of time with not too large investments. And what exactly are they selling? Although most likely no one knows the exact answer, including because the technical appearance is not disclosed according to the agreements.

[PSih2097]

Quote: EvilLion

As for the S-400, the question is how promising this complex is in general.

it only - is only selected according to the technical specifications to the military version of the S-300 (S-300V / VM), moreover, it is a complex of air defense system with mandatory cover with shells ...

[EvilLion]

And C-300 "armor" should not hide behind?

[NordUral]

Our government today is forced to "make a calm face", answering questions about the budget and the possibility of financing a variety of social and other programs. Although anyone understands that in the face of sanctions, it is difficult for us. But we do not refuse these programs.

Not from sanctions, it’s hard for us, but from the actions of this government with a “calm face”.

[Per se.]

But when someone, regardless of their position, finds a sponsor, often from competitors or foes, a loud “cry” about patriotism and national interests begins. They betrayed us! The foreman for an extra box of tiles gave the worker a neighbor to help dig a pit for the restroom!

It’s famously wrapped in a fur coat, and, what an illustration! If you compare C-400 and Su-35 with a tile box, this is "cool" ... So, we found "sponsors" for the military-industrial complex, by the way, the enterprising foreman had this "tile box" in his pocket, and not for the "construction" . Degenerate traders were offended that they were considered fools or traitors, they ordered an article, "guardians" of the Fatherland. Firstly, the latest weapons must first be supplied to your army, and secondly, you must control the merchants, tie their immense generosity to the issues of geopolitics, to whom and what to sell. And when they exclaim that "If we supplied C-400 to Venezuela or Indonesia, not one of the “defenders of the Russian army” would have choked. On the contrary."Yes, like India, Greece, study geopolitical issues, Mr. Staver. If our" friend "China already sells C-300 clones, it’s not with great mind that they sell C-400, like Su-35. It’s China’s territorial claims to all neighboring countries, not India, and not the Indian army are pumping power on our deserted borders. We survived, patrol boats and motor boats were an achievement in launching, but how many ships were sold and built over the hill. a gamble with "Gorshkov", in general, it was necessary to put the perpetrators against the wall, such "guardians" of the military-industrial complex. my main thing is, if capitalism was picked up from the landfill, so the traders will live by other people's charters and count other people's candy wrappers, not their rubles. Science, education, without them, the military-industrial complex also does not have a decent future, if you destroy it, look, cooperate in development, it’s not only with India, but it will reach Ethiopia ... In short, the article did not convince me, sorry.

[Per se.]

Quote: EvilLion

Excuse me, how many clones of C-300 did China sell?

It is enough that he made them and sells them at a lower cost.

Quote: EvilLion

You're an eccentric on the "m"

You will poke your homies, like letting bubbles into a puddle, talking about the military-industrial complex and arms trade, what and how to do it. It is clear that it’s not the manufacturers who sell, but the intermediaries that they got this right in the current system, no matter what they call “defense export”. As for the Su-35, so it is supplied to the Russian army, moreover, as a new, more advanced model from existing ones. When China sucks out everything that it cannot “debug,” Russia will not need it, like milking vendors, squeezing juices from the Soviet margin of safety until the freebie runs out.

[EvilLion]

I repeat the question, to whom and how many clones (if clones, and not crafts based on motives) did the air defense system sell to China?

When China sucks everything that it cannot “debug,” it will not need Russia

When we learned to produce something ourselves, then we, too, were not needed by strangers. China is not obliged to think about us. We are obliged to think that regardless of whether we sell something to China or not, he will receive it anyway, or he will do it himself, or buy from others. And it can do it much faster if you do not sell him something, but leave the Chinese market to the Chinese manufacturer, so that he debugs everything in large series. At the same time, what exactly is secret in Su-35 to argue for a non-specialist does not make sense at all. In general terms, China itself is trying to do something similar, it doesn’t work out very well, but it is a matter of time, resources and, most importantly, readiness and the need to allocate them.

[Altona]

Quote: Ingvar 72

P.S. As a convinced monarchist, I cannot but recognize the fact that the Bolsheviks, having come to power, gained legitimacy not by executions, but by the Stalinist industrialization of the country.

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Maybe after all, not a monarchist, but a supporter of absolutism? Or is the soul warmed by eolothic epaulettes, a uniform embroidered with galunas and a place for serfs you are looking at?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Altona

Maybe after all, not a monarchist, but a supporter of absolutism?

An idealist, more precisely.

Quote: Altona

Or the soul is warmed by aeolithic epaulettes, a uniform embroidered with galunas

Outfits certainly delight the soul, but we from the peasants - both the grandfather and the grandmother lived on earth. I also try to secure food security for myself. Parallel to primary employment. And you know, it turns out!

[aybolyt678]

monarchy is the key to stability. better one bad king for 40 years than the 10 best presidents! each with his own team, elections, course changes, etc.

[your1970]

Paul 1 for forty years and the Prussian step to teach ??? Oh well....

[Altona]

Quote: NordUral

Not from sanctions, it’s hard for us, but from the actions of this government with a “calm face”.

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I thought the speech in the article will be about "effective" managers in the military-industrial complex, the most talented young manager Rogozin Jr., for example, and similar figures.

[NEXUS]

I liked the article. Well, verified and most importantly in the case. The fact of the matter is that many people confuse patriotism with cheer-patriotism, which are not at all related concepts. Hurray patriotism is often used for their own purposes by liberal forces, slightly substituting concepts, but thereby causing significant harm and fooling the average man.
Regarding export. I have repeatedly said that our designers, if they create weapons, thoroughly know both its strengths and weaknesses, and therefore know how to deal with it. In addition, many do not understand that having put the same Turkey S-400, we are committed to supplying them with missiles, without which PUs are simply empty useless pipes.

[seal78]

Quote: NEXUS

the designer, if they create a weapon, thoroughly know both its strengths and weaknesses, and therefore know how to deal with it

And now, NATO will know.

[DimanC]

A typical example is the T-90. If there was no contract with India, it is unclear whether he would have survived or not ...

[runway]

No, the author, these are not "trifles" to whom and what to sell.
When recently, under the guise of scrap metal, military equipment with serviceable weapons was sold "over the hill", everyone was outraged by the outright crime. Now, the author urges everyone to calm down when it is already OPEN (selling?) Our equipment and our advanced scientific developments to a potential enemy! It is naive to believe that having received our weapons, the NATO countries will rearm their armed forces and, moreover, fight on our side. This is not economics and commerce, but outright betrayal.
From year to year, the military-industrial complex does not fulfill the state defense order. This is no secret to anyone. It is one thing if this were a temporary phenomenon. But our current leaders are not able to rectify the situation. The country's economic opportunities are shrinking every year. Against this background, the bravura statements of the curator of the military-industrial complex Rogozin already cause not bewilderment, but frank laughter. LAUGHTER THROUGH TEARS.

[domokl]

A plant can produce, for example, a thousand pieces of equipment per year. And the order for 50 from the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. And what kind of shishy plant to develop something new? Factories do not comply with public defense orders simply because there are no funds and no buyer for the systems.
Who told you that there are no analogues of C-400 in the West? Erdogan was just considering the original option of buying a Western system. This article is.

[EvilLion]

Will you answer for the bazaar, or just let bubbles into the puddle? What kind of equipment was sold over the hill under the guise of scrap metal? What are the pre-Aviation bearers, on which the useless Yak-38 were? So it was the price of scrap metal, but from the Indians for bringing to their Wishlist more or less, an adequate aircraft carrier was shaken by several billion.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: EvilLion

What kind of equipment was sold over the hill under the guise of scrap metal?

I do not like Mironov for the inertness of thoughts and mantras like "Putin must leave," but in his book "Igo Jewish"facts of the sale of" scrap metal "are indicated in great detail. With the names of unfinished ships, with the degree of their readiness and cost of sale.

[EvilLion]

Ah, well, that is, ships that would never have been completed. It’s just that you have business running further “to steal a box of vodka and ditch the truck with boxes of this vodka in the process”, serious people don’t do such garbage, as a rule.

[seal78]

Quote: piston

our technology and our advanced scientific developments to a potential adversary

Not to the potential, but to the real one.

[mihey]

The author outlined the problem, or rather a whole bunch of problems, and expressed his opinion on its (their) occasion. AND EVERYTHING! As a result, horses, people mixed together in a heap ... and the soul raced over the bumps ...
PS: And where in the article, in fact, is analytics? What is analyzed here?

[Signore Tomato]

I convinced the devil eloquent)))

[vlad007]

The decrease in the State Defense Order (GOZ) is primarily due to the need to replace products received from Ukraine !!! We got engines for the Air Force and Navy from there, and much more. This is not my opinion, the President said about this: "the execution of many orders was postponed for 1-2 of the year due to the need to create their own production facilities, instead of Ukrainian ones." He said this at the opening of the Rybinsk plant for the production of engines and assemblies for marine ships 5 this May! That's right and did that moved!

[domokl]

So is this substitution to blame for the fact that Armata is suspended and rescheduled in time?

[Grigory_78]

If (!) A real running-in of Almaty is currently underway in the troops, then this is the best justification for the suspension of mass production and the transfer in time. Serial release of weapons after conducting only factory tests - wrecking worse than this is hard to come up with.

[Glory1974]

So, dear "patriots", turn on the "thought" before shouting about betrayal, sabotage, arming the enemies.

And we turn on the “thought” and understand that if the government does not have money to develop weapons and sell them, this is betrayal. Although there is money to send money abroad to Amer’s bonds.

They do not wait for budget funds to come to the plant’s accounts after a month or two from the beginning of the year, but what about the production?

And aliens are probably to blame for this. What is the problem on the computer to press a button and transfer money? Or maybe this is also a betrayal? Or sabotage? I'm not a lawyer, let law enforcement give an assessment.

[EvilLion]

Dude, transfer me the money. You only have to press a button, but I go to work for them.

[Glory1974]

transfer me the money. You only have to press a button

if I were a government, then no question.
The problem is that Medvedev, complaining that there is no money, prints it himself, but does not invest in the military-industrial complex, which makes money, but buys dollars on them and invests in America.
And the loans that do not give him, it is essentially the numbers in the computer. Now nobody is carrying billions in bags.

[EvilLion]

How simple it is for you, "he prints money." Nothing that some real product is needed for this money?

[Glory1974]

Does this money need some real product?

So this is the point. Print money for the products of the military-industrial complex, but you can’t, "not market". There must be some investors. And why the state cannot invest, because the military-industrial complex is a profit. Instead, DAM invests in Chubais.

[stoker]

Strange article. It seemed that all the talk about the military-industrial complex and the export of arms was just a background in order to distort the concept of patriotism. Write this word in quotation marks. Identify it with a certain limitation and even stupidity.
Let me remind the author that patriotism is love for the motherland. I do not understand his subconscious craving to write this word in quotation marks.
As for the “thinker,” it must be included not only when you read something, but also when you write something. An article, for example:

... the defense industry is our usual industry ...

This is not true. In any country in the world, the defense industry is an “unusual” industry.
It is always under special state control and operates within the framework of special legislation. Like the nuclear industry, for example.
Therefore, for the whole world, arms export is not an economy, but a continuation of a STATE policy in a particular region. The appearance of our weapons in one country can change the attitude of Russia to other states. And, therefore, to each of us, in general, and to Russian business in these countries, in particular.
And if they start killing the citizens of these states with our weapons ...
Further. Another statement by the author:

... she produces goods! The product that the state buys from her in the domestic market ...

The citizen does not understand what he is writing. If a weapon is simply a “commodity” that can be sold at a cost over the hill in a simplified version, why would a manufacturer sell a cheaply more sophisticated option domestically. He will raise this price by hook or by crook, twisting his hands to the state. Or put aside the "disadvantageous" state order for later.
Thus, the armed forces of the Russian Federation on a limited military budget will receive LESS of modern weapons and in the longer term. That we, in fact, are observing.
It turns out that many people's concerns about this situation are well founded. And with their heads, everything is in order. And with patriotism too.
But the author with all this is somehow not very ...

[domokl]

Quote: stoker

It is always under special state control and operates within the framework of special legislation.

Well, in what country is there such a thing? In the USA, France, Germany? In other countries? It just happened historically in the USSR that the defense industry in our country was a separate industry. And the industry is very privileged. In other countries, defense was part of civilian production. Part of what the company does. That's why we have such a gap in technology between civilian and military products formed ...

[stoker]

Quote: domokl

Quote: stoker

It is always under special state control and operates within the framework of special legislation.

Well, in what country is there such a thing? In the USA, France, Germany? ...

What, "Well then?" Do you have a "star" disease, and you confuse real stars with virtual ones?

... in the USA, France, Germany? ...

Exactly. It is in these countries that the most stringent legislation is in relation to arms exports. And it is public control. In general, in any country with a developed economy this is so.
And it cannot be otherwise. The export of weapons is only a PART of export activity for them. Sometimes insignificant. However, it can create problems for other, BASIC export items.
Well, simply put, exporting oysters or tractors will not create problems for arms exports, but rash arms exports can create serious problems not only for other export items, but also for citizens of the country.
Why? I wrote about this in a previous comment. To repeat, I'm sorry, just laziness.

It simply happened historically in the USSR that the defense industry in our country was a separate industry ...

This is not true. But there is no point in arranging a debate on the topic "The structure of the industrial production of the Soviet Union in the 80s of the XX century."

[EvilLion]

And where did you get that the market is endless beyond the hill? I am really struck by such stupidity. The same Su-30, for example, sold very large lots of all 3 to customers: India, China and their native Moscow region. There are very few such fat customers, and in order to sell even a squadron over the hill, you have to tear your ass. At the same time, its own market is very large and protected. Moreover, it is so protected that no WTO can affect it. And where did you get the idea that delivery schedules are approved only by the manufacturer, which is generally state-owned. office? He is part of the state and does what is required of him. If the task is to deliver the squadron kit to yourself, and a dozen more cars for export, then it will deliver like that. And some private “Loch kid Martin” is also part of the American state. Just because it cannot but be there and business conducts in accordance with the state, which for its part also fights for its interests.

[iouris]

There is no ideology. A qualified accountant can calculate what the outcome of a war or peace will be, and what’s worse.

[seacap]

This problem is so huge that there isn’t enough format to discuss it. And it all starts with the systematically destroyed education and science system, 1 task has been successfully completed. Direct squeezing of the best young specialists and scientists over the hill has deprived succession in the most advanced and leading industries. and the engineers are already, very, of advanced age, the Soviet backlogs are coming to an end, but no new ones are expected. While such as the red-haired one are successfully mastering huge amounts of money with zero effect, good luck is not to be seen. And all the tales about the crisis, sanctions, etc., are for young men, and the average person who received a Soviet normal education, and simply, not deprived of logical thinking, has long been ignoring this mumble of the lights of the economy. Especially, seeing that only in our crisis the number of millionaires has increased, like children who are mad with impunity and dough. , like an artistic garbage dump, giving people a handicraft and wretched works, stupefied by money, builds castles and buys villas over a hill. . etc.

[Above_name]

.. The Georgians shot down our planes ourssourced from Ukraine, "Beeches" and "Wasps" ..

These complexes were produced in THE USSR.

[31rus4]

Dear, I have been proposing to lease the Yars brigade to Iran for a long time, but we’ll cut down money and advertise equipment

[soul]

no one wants to look at the GOZ for the defense industry. How much orders are reduced

Get the funds from the American Treasuries and use the money to execute the GOZ. What is the problem? It turns out that we don’t have enough money, but we give the enemy a loan!

[Scalpel]

The “enemy” pays us interest for these treasuries, which is why we give it. We earn.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Scalpel

"Enemy" to us for these treasure pays interest,

Our mortgage is three to four times more profitable in interest. Maybe its better to give a loan?

[Viktor is the winner]

1-2%? Yes many.

[soul]

pays interest, and therefore give. We earn

Are you kidding? Treasuries have a yield of less than 2%. See our profitability

[Scalpel]

I'm not kidding. And China is invested, and many others. Because how reliable. We have higher numbers, but political risks are great.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Scalpel

Because how reliable

Gold has a stable growth in value, and this growth exceeds interest on treasuries. And the liquidity of gold is many times higher.

[Scalpel]

The price of gold is also subject to leaps, like the price of oil - the same resource in fact.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Scalpel

The price of gold is also subject to leaps

Only jumps are akin to gas prices — either stable or just jump up.

[figter]

No one shouts about the need to rearm the Strategic Missile Forces on C-300 with letters.

Nobody screams, because they have never been armed.
C-300 (with or without letters) is in service with the air defense forces (object-based - C-300PM, C-300PS) - now it is part of the VKS and military air defense (C-300В). In the rocket troops of the strategic purpose of such technology It never happened.

[RU-Officer]

Ah well done "figter", little devil! You can immediately see a specifically savvy person (by the way, below in the text, another "wanderer_032" lights up ...). The level of material submitted in the article is to match the knowledge of the materiel. Conclusion: WRITTEN TO ORDER. The next topic is sprats and infringement of their rights.

[figter]

And then .., do not slurp soup soup. We have behind shoulders OVZRKKU with honors.

[matrix94]

I am very glad to hear at least one voice of reason on Topwar. And lately it’s only heard. This plant. To shoot these. Break diplomatic attitudes and immediately calibrate them. Unfortunately, politics needs a cold calculation. In making decisions, the president must think about the consequences for more than one year in advance. Any decision made under the pressure of momentary circumstances may strike many years later. Well, about the fact that the process, according to the lawsuit of the country’s objection under the conditions of sanctions (which, despite all the statements on television, hit our country), this process has been going on for decades. And today, unfortunately, the Stalensk methods will no longer help.

Ps. Thanks to the author for the article.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: matrica94

And today, unfortunately, the Stalensk methods will no longer help.

They will help, only Stalin is gone. And today's gut is thin. They are even up to Churchill and De Gaulle as to China .....

[yehat]

in my opinion, the question is so obvious that even arguing is stupid.
it is impossible to make high-quality weapons without a wide market.
If the civilian market is narrow, you have to sell the development.
And there is no choice, otherwise there will be nothing to sell.

[Vecheslav]

the latest military equipment should in fact be the best product of the military-industrial complex, and cannot be sold anywhere, so that later the same equipment would be used against us, just as they had learned the most important secrets in its production. For military products are not consumer goods, which is why it should be solid and durable, and not be a disposable can, like the current automotive products. You can only sell obsolete samples, with some modernization. All that is new should be put in the armed forces, replacing old models.

[yehat]

You are behind the times. We have very few secrets. What to hide?
And I do not see anything wrong with selling products, especially tanks, riflemen, artillery and so on. There are some key technologies that you don’t want to transfer for free, but you can and do need to sell the main thing. Without this, there will be no resources for the development and maintenance of army equipment.

[art030765]

You’re wrong. Look at the latest and most advanced Western weapons. You won’t find a purely English American or Israeli. the western world has been cooperating for a long time in American destroyers Swedish guns English engines German lacquers Israeli software. The 21st century is the century of armaments assembled from the best examples of exactly such weapons that will dominate the markets. secrecy is rubbish west understood this for a maximum of 9 months and any secret development becomes a matter of publicity but the trump card is always with those who developed and not the one who stole.

[Alexzora]

I had a dispute on this topic in VK. The most interesting thing is that the “patriot” was not opposed to selling the S-400 after 3 years, but now it’s impossible, but to the question “if there is no objection to the sale of the complex, then why does it raise a panic now?” there was no answer ....

[Vecheslav]

Looks like the one who wrote the article is stupid, but the fact that the edrosnya by all torture does not want a true investigation against Prime Minister Medvedev is curious Isn’t it strange that for some reason the former Minister of Defense Serdyukov was ousted from criminal prosecution, you can cite quite a few facts when the money was in full, but they are simply stupidly and brazenly being stolen by those in power, which is a reminder of the construction of the Cosmodrom strategic military facility where workers are not paid half a year. and the authorities at the same time suddenly learned about it only in a live broadcast with the president, only now the media and the authorities are silent, and what happened to the person who announced this problem? I can confidently say that in RUSSIA there is no crisis, there are no sanctions against Russia, but there is an intentional and stupid dusting of brains to the people, about the total looting of the treasury. After all, as I recall, it was shown on TV when Putin asked about money to help industry, to which Dvorkovich said that they had been working in banks for 3 years. And what happened to Dvorkovich after this was said to Putin and all of Russia? nothing, he’s not only not in prison, but he still sits in power. This is the system, only the government feeds us with patriotism, and that we would be patriots, but at the same time I write again, the children of those in power live and learn how and work as if they are not strange in a hostile west. Which in turn speaks of only one thing, this power already in fact lives for the sake of the West, and not for the sake of RUSSIA and the RUSSIAN PEOPLE.

[Grigory_78]

Is everything misinterpreted - is this your profile? Dvorkovich meant that money was allocated to help production, but the management of the plants did not invest in the modernization and expansion of production, but scrolled through the banks. And it’s impossible to counteract this effectively. The same is true with the salary at the spaceport - the management of firms and enterprises has not paid salaries for months, the workers are silent in a rag so that they are not fired, and Putin is certainly to blame. And who else? Bravo. Another fighter for all good versus all bad.

[Solomon Kane]

"A people who do not want to feed their army will be forced to feed someone else's" - the golden words of Napoleon Bonaparte.
Ever since the time of Peter the Great, the Russian people had to sacrifice something to create a combat-ready army. Remember the bells from the temples, melted into guns. And so it was always, while the Boss was with the people. And it doesn’t matter who the owner was, the King or the Secretary General. At all times, the best went for the army until it came
The hunchback-Yeltsin period and its consequences. More precisely, the “followers” ​​who occupy administrative and managerial posts, including the military-industrial complex, and Rosoboronexport, etc.
The golden rule of defense is to sell YESTERDAY to create TOMORROW. But in fact - we will sell “YESTERDAY” and “TODAY”, and “TOMORROW” will be dumped over a hill with a dough.
Russia has always been famous for its weapons, at all times. And on x @ th sculpt cars when the tanks are better. And the demand for this product will always be, as long as there are boundaries - there will always be those who want to redraw them.
At the moment, it is necessary to revive the entire defense industry. What is happening now - highly technological
we create the technique "on the knees", as an example: turning operations in the production of screw wing converters for TUpol are performed, ATTENTION !!!! on a lathe Magdeburg, Germany, 1936,
I'm not talking about anything else (believe me, I worked there myself). And this is the situation for many defense enterprises.
And where is the money from GOZs for the modernization of equipment, the introduction of new technologies, staff training, the creation and development of development projects, etc.? Most, quietly lay in offshore.
So the problem is not WHAT we sell, but HOW this is done and WHERE the money goes.
And we have technical achievements - Mama Do not Cry! With 400 was developed at the border of 70-80 x !!!!
So the Head needs to be changed - until the Fish has completely rotted.

[soul]

it is necessary to change the Head - until the Fish is completely rotted

The thought is correct, only how can this be technically accomplished? Those who will then have to shoot under those laws will be toughened up at the legislative level. Therefore, the swamp that we have in the government will be very difficult to clean up.

[Bibabo]

About the victims: it remains only to convince the people - both the victims and the army with its weapons will be North Korean.

[wanderer_032]

No one shouts about the need to rearm the Strategic Missile Forces on C-300 with letters. Behind the Urals, the oldies are still in service, much worse than the 300's.

After reading such nonsense, the article, if it were published in a printed publication, could be thrown into an urn. Together with the print edition - entirely. Another "expat", with "deep" knowledge of the topic.

[wanderer_032]

Especially for the ыкksperd ’who wrote what I quoted:

C-300 “Favorite” (customer index: 35Р6, 70Р6, mates 75P6, 9K81, 3М-41) is a family of anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRK) capable of hitting various targets at high altitudes, when able to hit different targets on the heights, on the heights of the altitude, on the heights of the height of the rocket system, which can hit various targets in the height of the model, air raids heights [4] for goals; at distances: from several kilometers to 75-200 kilometers, depending on the type of the used elements of the C-300 family and, in particular, interceptor missiles [5].

It is intended for the defense of large industrial and administrative facilities, military bases and command posts from attacks of the enemy’s aerospace attack. Able to hit ballistic and aerodynamic targets. She became the first multi-channel anti-aircraft missile system capable of accompanying each complex (SAM) to six targets and directing up to twelve missiles at them.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/С-300

These anti-aircraft missile systems (ZRK), have never been in service with the Strategic Missile Forces (strategic missile forces), but have always been in service with the defense units of the country, which are now part of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Aerospace Forces (VKS) is a type of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, formed in 2015, as a result of the unification of the Air Force (Air Force) and the Aerospace Defense Forces[3].

Started to carry out the tasks with 1 August 2015, in accordance with the decree of the President of the Russian Federation V. V. Putin [4] [5].

The general leadership of the aerospace defense of Russia is exercised by the General Headquarters of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, and the direct command is the General Command of the Aerospace Forces [5].

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Воздушно-космически
e_sils_Russian_Federatsii

The aerospace defense forces were formed on the basis of the Space Forces and the troops of the operational-strategic command of the aerospace defense [2].

The creation of the Aerospace Defense Forces was required to unite the forces and facilities responsible for ensuring the security of Russia in space and from space with the formations that solve the tasks of the air defense of the Russian Federation. This was due to the objective necessity of integration under the unified leadership of all forces and means capable of fighting in the air and space sphere, proceeding from modern world trends of armament and re-equipment of the Armed Forces of leading countries to expand the role of aerospace in ensuring the protection of state interests in the economic, military and social areas.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Войска_воздушно-кос
military defense

[Solomon Kane]

Really! In 88, I served in the S-300 division (F1 + F2, F5, 4 PU x4 modules based on MAZ), then our 200th complex was considered an “old man,” but almost 30 years have passed. The S-300 is already an old man, what complexes did the author mean?

[wanderer_032]

Both Armenians and Azerbaijanis are sure that they are right and are ready to fight for Karabakh. Russia cannot offer any solution in this matter either.

And the vaunted Rosoboronexport simply sells weapons to Azerbaijan. T-90 tanks in versions of which are not in their own tank forces, as well as self-propelled guns, combat helicopters and more. And sells immediately sets. At the same time, Russia calls Armenians its allies ... And Armenia allowed Russia on its own territory to deploy a military base in Gyumri.
And after that, how do we look in the eyes of our allies when we sell weapons to the opposite side from which in the near future they will kill the population of the Rep. Armenia? And the "author"?
In addition, Azerbaijan, all the time looking towards Turkey, and therefore NATO, since the 90-x. And if tomorrow, for example, the same tanks, turntables and self-propelled guns on Dagestan will be trampled on, how then will those delagi from Rosoboronexport look already in the eyes of their fellow citizens? And the "author"?

[Chtononibrator]

Quote: wanderer_032

And Armenia allowed Russia to place a military base in Gyumri on its own territory.

Funny, in your opinion, Armenia generously permits to send Russian soldiers to its defense. Rave.

Quote: wanderer_032

And if tomorrow, for example, these same tanks, turntables and self-propelled guns trample down Dagestan

Well yes. Attack on the territory of a nuclear power. Wet dreams of crazy people.

[rautmiha]

I want to note that the author was mistaken. S-300 and the like anti-aircraft missile systems relate to air defense. They have nothing to do with the Strategic Missile Forces.

[Grigory_78]

Well, the author seems to be from those experts that Iskander is considered an air defense system.

[Norrak34]

the main thing for a country is a strong army.

[Kgv Kgv]

the misfortune of the present world is ONE that many have become MATERIALISTS, by the way, and DIET THE WHOLE WORLD sooner or later

[storm]

No one shouts about the need to rearm the Strategic Missile Forces on C-300 with letters. Behind the Urals, the oldies are still in service, much worse than the 300's.

The S-300 is an air defense complex and it was never in service in the Strategic Missile Forces (strategic missile forces), and if Mr. Starover manages to confuse the Strategic Missile Forces and the airborne forces (aerospace forces), then he’d better not write about military topics at all. ...

[BORIS YAGUDIN]

Part of the defense industry should generally work 70% for export ...

[Woldemar]

the article is such a slag that I don’t even want to comment
the author, if ours knows all the strengths and weaknesses of their own air defense systems, how did the Georgians “land” our six planes from Soviet beech?
so you don’t need to tell stories how well our military-industrial complex will live and how many dollars it will receive by selling the S-400 of Turkey and how well we will dodge our missiles
traitors are not patriots whom you put in quotes, a traitor is you and your little article

[Grigory_78]

I quote, though not verbatim, from one of our generals: "We believed that Georgia did not have such air defense systems." Well done. In Syria, they felt that the Turks would not attack the Su-24M. Bookkeepers, their mother. S-400 to sell to Turkey - no words at all. It's like taking off your pants and bending down. With the hope that everything will work out.

[Victor St.]

It is necessary to sell to allies but not to enemies. In general, it is disgusting to read comments about the USSR, especially those who have no idea what they are writing about.

[Scalpel]

There are no eternal enemies and eternal friends. Today is the enemy, and tomorrow is a friend. It’s not always possible to find out in advance.

[Grigory_78]

The Nazis are friends? Take an interest in how they are still thinning out Armenians, Kurds and others. As they destroyed one hundred years ago, they still continue to do so. And consider it normal.

[shoemaker]

to the question of millions of cu from the sale of weapons abroad.
the vicious practice of providing loans to different countries for the purchase of weapons of Russian production continues. Some time passes and the news reports that several hundred million dollars of the loan were written off to country N.
about the moral side of the issue. Israel will never sell Iran any Merkaba. Really pragmatic leaders of Israel do not want to replenish the state treasury? Why is our government trying to make money on one-time deliveries of military equipment and on the sale of URALS oil at low prices. Why not replenish the budget by developing the domestic market, providing domestic plants with government orders and healthy protectionism in the economy within Russia (as is customary in all developed countries of the world)?

[domokl]

Taki yes ... we will not sell to Merkava We specialize in drones Buyers more and weigh less .. (C)
Strange, but Israel is quite successfully trading in weapons. Enemies? And who are Israel’s enemies? Sometimes almost everything, sometimes almost nobody ... Politics is called ...

[Alexander Borisov]

Alexander Staver, not very convincing. It can only supply Turkey with the S-400 for the money that Russia will give to Turkey on credit, with the localization of production in Turkey, while production is secured by orders for years to come.

[Grigory_78]

Turkish S-400s can easily end up in Azerbaijan, lighter than Ukrainian Bukis in Georgia. Do we need it? Nothing good will come of thirst for money.

[Patriot2012]

In the entire past history, Russia always fought with Turkey always. Turkey has always been an enemy of Russia, and I think that even now it has not become a friend to us. Turkey is more our enemy than an "ally" and to equip it with modern weapons that can be effectively used against us, I think this is not right.

[seal78]

I think Turkey is buying the S-400 not for use (if only then it will resell to Ukraine, but this is a different topic), but for study. They will sort it out, study it, and they will know how to get around it or suppress it.

[Grigory_78]

They will also share with NATO allies. In general, it will be gorgeous.

[AID.S]

It seemed to me that the article lacked a permanent co-author. In order to get better at clinging to "alarmists and defeatists" who have fluttered on the site (and possibly spoiling the overall picture). There is an association with an agitator explaining doubters on Saturday evening June 21 in a village club TASS statement of June 13, 1941.
The author famously solved the geopolitical equation with many unknown quantities (or rather, very well-known) at the Caucasian regional level. In order to justify what? Benefit from the delivery of advanced equipment of our air defense to a NATO member.
Isn’t it easier for very good money to immediately transfer the design documentation to amers? Surely more can pay. And with this money to develop something new! Raise salaries, purchase US Treasuries ...

[Scalpel]

No one sells design documentation. Sell ​​finished products.

[NicolasFrench]

And I had a thought After all, 300, 400 the filling of electronics from the manufacturer and the possibility of introducing into the memory a bug for self-destruction without the knowledge of the buyer, yes inquire. Here they were and for some reason didn’t. And how many such electronics come to us without our knowledge ?

[Archon]

who is afraid - let him dig a mega-channel along the entire border of the Russian Federation

[kunstkammer]

Some kind of messy and not logical article.
Someone believes ... or does not believe ... but the author seems to need to be unconditionally trusted!
It turns out that everything is guilty! They cut it, they steal it ... but it’s to blame for everything!
Fullness, Professor, take off your bike glasses! Do not engage in fraud and do not confuse a thing with scrambled eggs.
Why are we going to build nuclear reactors in Turkey for our money on credit with installments for 50 years? And why not 150 years or 250 years? Will we wait when either the donkey or the padishah dies?
Ha..ha..who will Azerbaijan bring down there?
Hi..hi .. and whose plane was shot down by Turkey’s ally Azerbaijan?
What a scumbag! Well, they give it!
Not an article, but a pile of nonsense. Besides harmful.

[catphantom]

We have no war today. Now after these words it becomes clear that the author is either a donkey or paid. The war never ends. But over time, changes shape. And we live in an era when, before our eyes, the emphasis on its effectiveness shifts from primitive physical influence to social - economic and mental. Export of weapons is a double-edged sword and this should always be remembered. Weapons are certainly goods, but countries with adequate leaders do not deliver ANY goods to enemies. And the pursuit of momentary profit will result in huge losses. True, all citizens of the Russian Federation will pay for them, and the defense industry will warm their hands again.

[Scalpel]

Russia does not consider Turkey an enemy, we are cooperating with the government of Erdogan. And the fact that there is talk of a possible sale means that we look forward to continued cooperation. Maybe we also want to play on the contradictions within NATO, to show that it is better to be friends with us.

[scripts]

The next Russian attack aircraft will be shot down from 400. And on the topic, judging by how the American tomahawks went through the Syrian-Russian air defense (like a knife through butter) and calmly hit the targets, all these Russian missiles have long been outdated and have little ability. That's what they sell for special pose no danger.

[catphantom]

Almost 100 km from Khmeimim to the Syrian air base Shairat, which was attacked by the Americans. Have you heard about the horizon?

[pegas60]

The author clearly did not study either world history or the history of Russia.
And it is better to learn from the mistakes of others than their own.
A few of his arguments:
- "Does anyone believe that Erdogan, having received almost unlimited power, will want to risk it in a conflict with Russia?" -
- And did someone believe that Hitler in the 1941 year, having absolute power, would decide to attack the country - the USSR - having an army superior to the German army in terms of number and quantity of weapons?
- USSR - helped Germany to revive their military industrial complex and train their army, and someone believed that Germany would fight the USSR
- Russia helped China to create its own defense industry, and now China is competing on equal terms with the Russian defense industry for the sale of arms for export. China has multiple launch rocket launchers with which it can covertly attack its entire group of Russian troops in the Far East and arrange for us its 22 on June 1941. Tell me, have we never fought with China? So always something happens the first time.

I will not give any other reasons for their long listing.
The conclusion is:
- Only a mentally abnormal or hidden traitor can arm a potential enemy of Russia. Including Turkey and China.
- only a mentally abnormal or hidden traitor can keep state savings from a potential adversary - America.
- only a mentally abnormal or hidden traitor can slow down the rearmament of the Russian army.

[aybolyt678]

something in your words, but I do not agree about loonies and traitors, we betray ourselves when we buy a foreign car, for example

[Dashout]

The author assembled in his article all in one pile ...

"New weapons and equipment must first fully satisfy the needs of the Russian army, and then already be delivered abroad!"
that's right! I will say more, and all domestic products should be focused primarily on the domestic market, and only then abroad. In the domestic market, technology, production cooperation, and product quality are being developed. An appropriate infrastructure is being created for this purpose. How do you think to develop domestic production?
The problem is that, stuck in this liberal economy, the government desperately needs dollars. So they are trying to stimulate exports by any means, just to get an influx of currency. Remember how in the 90's everyone was taken to China and not only ... Of course, this ruins domestic production, domestic technological equipment and cooperation.
I would now ask a respected author, and what percentage of the products of enterprises (from which the state order was cut) goes to the domestic market? I don’t think it’s big .., although there is a task to bring the share of domestic market products to 50%.
The state order cannot provide the enterprise with 100%, this is utopia. It is necessary to use the potential of the enterprise in the network infrastructure, look for various forms ...
In my opinion, the author would have to make an effort (creative) to create an internal market for technological interaction, technological capabilities, goods and services.
Does this mean that we must completely abandon exports - of course NO! Instead, sell ...
And through horizontal integration, you try to increase production so that the domestic market is also closed and there is no loss in external demand ...

[ioann1]

You are completely right! Unfortunately, many effective managers in the government and around it only pretend that they are working, but actually are engaged in themselves and their business. This is evident from their tax report.
And many enterprises of the military-industrial complex are put on hungry rations, there are not enough funds to pay for the very necessary spare parts for equipment: everything is strictly regulated, and electronic tenders only exacerbate all the problems ...

[Alexaner Arier]

patriotism is evil. sell everything. and mom too.

[Yuri Sm]

No one is shouting about the need to rearm the Strategic Missile Forces with S-300s with letters

I didn’t know that the Strategic Missile Forces had the S-300 in service

[catphantom]

Quote: Scalpel

Russia does not consider Turkey an enemy, we are cooperating with the government of Erdogan. And the fact that there is talk of a possible sale means that we look forward to continued cooperation. Maybe we also want to play on the contradictions within NATO, to show that it is better to be friends with us.

There is no need to speak for all of Russia! YOU may not consider Turkey an enemy. And I believe that a country that shoots down our planes without declaring war cannot be called anything else.

[Glen-99]

The question is not whether it is necessary or not to export weapons, we must understand that progress does not stand still, that today there is innovation, and tomorrow with the advent of new ideas it loses its meaning and will always be so, therefore, as soon as something new appears, the old must be sold, and money invested in new and cutting-edge developments\.

[Grigory_78]

The S-400 will not be seriously outdated anytime soon. And arm Turkey with it? Even China is doubtful about arming them. Indian volumes haven’t even begun to be developed yet, what the hell is Türkiye?

[altur75]

Does the author even know what the Strategic Missile Forces are, and why they don’t put the S-300 into service there? (all that remains is to laugh).
Arms export is a very, very slippery topic... And you can approach it in different ways. Nothing personal just business? Business is on blood, however. However, if you think about it, there is no other business. It doesn’t happen in nature at all - a sheep eats grass, the grass feels bad, a wolf eats a sheep, and the sheep feels bad.
The government cannot allocate enough funds for the development of the military-industrial complex because they are not in the budget. Roughly speaking, they are not there for anything at all - not for education, not for medicine, not for pensions... not for weapons. Why? Because they don't go there. Because our income tax is paid only by hired employees with a white salary, of which only about 20% of the employed population. By the way, this is somewhere around 40% of budget formation. the remaining 60 comes from the sale of oil and gas, and a little more from a small number of normally operating enterprises. Very little. However, even if we introduce progressive taxation, luxury taxes, bring the oligarchs out of the shadows and fight corruption, there will still be no money. Why?
Yes, because Russia in 1914 was unable to put the required amount of modern equipment and weapons on the battlefield, but the Soviet Union was able to in 1942, under conditions of partial occupation.
Our economy must work exclusively in line with geopolitics. The Soviet Union did not simply spend 20% of its peacetime budget on military spending. 20% of the Soviet economy as a whole worked for the army and military-industrial complex - population, finance, production. And now we need even more. But under capitalism this is impossible. Capitalism is the absence of patriotism, first of all, it is globalization and the destruction of statehood, and the Second World War proved this very well - capitalist super-industrialized Europe, sitting on free colonial raw materials, did not break the back of the Soviet Union with its socialist mobilization economic model.
So yes, there are no traitors in the government - just “effective managers” who know how and with what to replenish the state budget in the context of the spread of the “law of the jungle” within the state. The law of the market is that if weapons are bought, then they must be sold, otherwise the money will flow to another seller, and there will be nothing to produce new ones with. Commerce.
No one will dispossess the oligarchs, confiscate their property, jewelry, and there is no particular point - everything is in overseas accounts, you can only block the circulation channels by arresting the accounts, but then their factories, oil rigs will shut down, and people will be left without wages.
I think that it is not in vain that the deadlines for the defense order, the rearmament of the army, and other related things have been postponed. Our entire economy, including the military-industrial complex, is now tied to the personal benefit of several dozen, maybe a hundred oligarchs. And the only way to force them to work for the state is to put a gun to the back of their head. So far we have only been able to show this pistol to some people, and even then, only to some, and from afar.

[snshch1960]

“But the most interesting thing is that no one wants to look at the state defense order for the military-industrial complex. How much orders for the Russian army have been reduced. This means how much previously “planned” work and research has stalled. Production is slow, but is moving to the usual “starvation rations” "
Do you at least know that the defense industry never left the “starvation ration”, even in Soviet times. Do you know how the military department makes decisions about placing a particular type of arms and military equipment for supply (and only after that there is a conversation about production)? Yes, exactly the same as during the construction of any facility (take the Krestovsky stadium in St. Petersburg). That is why units of promising weapons are purchased, since their cost is tens of times higher than the cost of similar weapons systems in the West. And if you take components for the manufacture of weapons and military equipment samples, then turn out the lights altogether. Gloomy? But unfortunately this is true.

[T-100]

Quote: Satum

The one who writes articles about supposedly "reduction" of something. or bad. economy, etc. That's full. It’s just written by the Liberals WHO PAY for writing. The bad thing is that a little literate believes in all this nonsense. For such "patriots" Any old era will be the best springboard for the destruction of real power. A COMPARISON IS THE BEST MEANS for color revolutions

Well, what about the nonsense that you meant in December 2022? It’s so fun (not) now to read articles and comments from past years in the realities of the current moment.