The danger of "freezing" the project "straight-through" missiles RVV-AE-PD in favor of the traditional "Products 170-1"

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Layout RVV-AE-PD, presented at the aerospace exhibition MAKS-2001. In the tail part, the developed lattice aerodynamic control surfaces are seen, which retain their efficiency at an 40-degree angle of inclination relative to the normal. Due to this, the missile overload can reach 35 units.


Regularly focusing their attention on such “poles” of geostrategic tensions as the Syrian theater of operations or the pre-escalating Korean peninsula, not all have time to thoroughly familiarize themselves with less-lit technological developments on the pages of various military-analytical publications. Nevertheless, it is from the latter that the most reliable tactical picture can be formed, which makes it possible to relate the forces of the parties that have entered the escalating path relatively correctly; on points to place their strengths and weaknesses, as well as partially predict the outcome of the coming sea, land and air battles.



Now such events can be safely ranked the active phase of testing the most ambitious brainchild of the Matra BAE Dynamics Alenia Corporation (MBDA) - the Meteor air-to-air missile. Over the past month, Western European military-analytical resources have posted on their pages several news posts on the stages of progress achieved in the integration of Meteor missiles with the weapons control systems of the main fighters of American and European design.

So, on April 27, 2017, the British portal ukdefencejournal.org.uk announced the successful launch of two Meteor MBDAs simultaneously for different purposes from the experienced Eurofighter Typhoon IPA4 fighter (flying laboratory version of Instrumented Production Aircraft 4 for testing new elements of avionics and weapons) Spanish Air Force. During the test, the possibility of multi-channel operation of the Typhoon, equipped with an early modification of radar with a slot antenna array ECR-90 “CAPTOR-M”, was confirmed. In combat conditions, this radar, due to technical capabilities, can simultaneously “capture” 6 air targets of the “fighter” type (EPR 1 m2) at a range of 115 km in a simple jamming environment and at a distance of about 50 km in a complex one. Meanwhile, for the first time, the initial combat readiness of the Meteors was achieved in conjunction with the avionics of the MS20 version of the JAS-39C Gripen light multipurpose fighter version 20 of the Swedish Air Force on July 11, 2016. This date can be considered a turning point in the quality of operations to gain superiority in the air of fighter aviation pro-American countries at the European theater of operations. On the same day, the ratio of tactical and technical capabilities between the fighter squad of the 105th mixed air division of the Russian Air Force on the Kola air direction and the air wings of the Swedish Air Force (Skaraborg - F7, Bleking - F-17, etc.) has changed significantly; as you understand, change is far from in our favor.


Experimental multipurpose fighter "Eurofighter Typhoon IPA 4" (C.16-20 / 11-91) Spanish air force with 2 long-range guided air combat missiles MBDA "Meteor"


Meanwhile, the upgraded MiG-31BM interceptors with the Р-33С and Р-37 missiles that are being adopted by the VKS in the Western Military District cannot be considered a worthy asymmetric response to the "Gripenes" armed with the MBDA "Meteor" for technical reasons. So, two types of missiles, although they have a huge range in 160 and 300 km, respectively, as well as flight speeds in 3700 and 6400 km / h, their maneuvering qualities remain at a very mediocre level, allowing them to intercept air targets maneuvering with overloads to 8 units . only at distances of about 120 or 220 km. And even then only in the stratospheric part of the flight, where the ballistic deceleration rate of the missiles is very small due to the rarefied air. At low altitudes, the P-33C / 37 range is significantly reduced due to tropospheric loss of speed and energy characteristics. The main purpose of this family of rockets is to intercept hypersonic stratospheric targets at very large ranges and low-maneuverable low-altitude CD at medium distances.

At a time when some of our little-knowledgeable members of the forum and the media continue to present the integration of the P-33C and RVV-BD interceptor missiles into the Foxhound and PAK FA fire control systems as a “significant separation” from Western air combat missiles (as is well known, comparing different by appointment P-37 with AIM-120D absolutely does not make sense), from Western Europe comes a very disappointing disproving information, which should be carefully read. In particular, some Western news resources, citing airrecognition.com and sources in the defense department, began to openly point out the main advantages of the MBDA Meteor rocket. One of them, without a doubt, is an advanced marching ramjet engine, which uses a heavy boron-containing oxygen-deficient fuel as a gas generator, which has about a 2 fold more heat of combustion than a standard hydrocarbon fuel. The engine from the company “Bayern-Chemie Protac” is equipped with a control valve in the nozzle of the gas generator, which allows you to very clearly change the speed of flight and save the remainder of the fuel for the decisive flying area of ​​the trajectory.

After the Meteor has raised the altitude in 20 - 25 km and speeds of the order of 3800 - 4000 km / h, the ramjet performs a transition to an economical mode of operation with minimal fuel consumption, the rocket moves with the 3,5 fly speed and minimal ballistic deceleration in the stratosphere. Upon reaching the distance 90 - 110 km from the launch point of the ramjet, it goes to medium or maximum thrust, and the rocket accelerates to 4 - 4,5M. As a result, in the final leg of the flight (120 - 150 km), MBDA Meteor has ample energy qualities for intercepting targets maneuvering with overloads up to 11-12 units. In this case, the pursuit of the goal can occur both in the stratosphere and in the lower layers of the troposphere. Such qualities today do not have any Russian or American long-range air-to-air missiles.

If the United States Air Force even has AIM-120D (C-8) AMRAAM, which retains a good energy potential at a distance of up to 70 - 90 km when working on medium-high and low-altitude targets by increasing the length of the fuel charge and the efficiency of the fuel itself compared to early AIM -120С-5 / 7, then as part of the fighter aviation of the Russian Air Force, there is not a single long-range URVV with a similar set of flight characteristics. The R-27EP / ET, P-77 (RVV-AE) and the more modern RVV-SD (“170-1”), which are in service at low average altitudes, have an effective range of only 60 - 80 km. After generating fuel charges, the lattice and butterfly-like P-27EP and P-77 missiles with enormous aerodynamic resistance instantaneously decrease the speed from 4 to 2 and lower sound speeds, especially at low altitudes: the rocket becomes ineffective. The British rocket "Meteor" is absolutely not subject to the shortcomings of the above types of conventional solid-fuel air combat missiles, and therefore even the presence of our Su-35S unique Irbis-E radar does not give a decisive advantage over NATO fighter planes equipped with promising direct-flow meteoros " ". Moreover, for the effective use of these URVV, neither “Typhoon” nor “Gripena” absolutely need urgent upgrading with new powerful radars with AFAR “CAPTOR-E” and ES-05 “Raven”, since “Meteor” can either be guided by a remote the object of the enemy according to its own radiation, or to receive target designation from third-party RTR / DER devices via the Link-16 channel or CDL-39. Do we have an answer to the appearance of promising MBDA "Meteor" from the closest opponents?


The upgraded production version of the medium-range air-to-air missile P-77 with the index РВВ-СД (“Item 170-1”). The rocket was developed in 2010 year and differs from the standard RVV-AE by several times more advanced guidance system based on encrypted correction radio channels and the possibility of using three types of active radar homing heads: standard 9Б-1103М, active-semi-active 9Б-1103М-200П and active-passive 9B-1103М-200PS


Without a doubt, yes. But the prospects for its implementation, unfortunately, are not entirely clear. At the end of 80-x - the beginning of 90-x. GosMKB "Vympel" began to develop a unique at that time guided missile long-range air combat K-77PD (RVV-AE-PD). The new product was designed on the basis of the hull and lattice aerodynamic rudders of the P-77 rocket, but received a greater length on the 100 mm. Lattice rudders made it possible to maintain the high maneuverability of the “PD” missile compared to a conventional RVV-AE, which, in addition to a ramjet engine, made it possible to increase several times the effectiveness of intercepting maneuvering targets at distances over 100 km and altitudes 3 - 5 km ( The angular velocity of the P-77PD rotation is calculated to reach 130-150 degrees / s, and the maximum overload of 30 - 35 units.). In terms of combat qualities, this missile is not inferior to the British Meteor air-launched missile defense missile, which was developed almost a decade later. One of the constructive differences of RVV-AE-PD from Meteor was the original design of the bearing planes. Thus, the role of the wings in the aerodynamic scheme of the Russian rocket is performed not by separate planes, but by the developed external surfaces of the four air intakes and air ramjet duct channels.

The weight of URVV P-77PD by 29% exceeds the weight of the serial RVV-AE (225 versus 175 kg). Therefore, to compensate for the weighting, which has a direct impact on maneuverability, the range of cruciform lattice aerodynamic control surfaces was increased by 70 mm (from 750 to 820 mm). The rudders of this design are much more efficient when maneuvering and ergonomic in terms of maintaining an acceptable weight and rocket dimensions to be placed in the internal armaments of the 5 generation fighter jets (lattice rudders have confirmed excellent qualities in the design of an XTNX9 “Point” operational tactical ballistic missile). The range claimed by the manufacturer P-79PD, exceeds the parameters of the "Meteor" and is 77-160 km. The rocket model was first presented at the Farnborough exhibition in 180 for a broad review by the Western European public, while the Russians were able to get a closer look at the unique creation of Russian engineering in the MAKS-1993 aerospace show; after that, no reliable information about flight tests and preparation for serial production of RVV-AE-PD did not appear.


“Fresh” RVV-SD on the suspensions of the heavy ultra-maneuverable multipurpose fighter Su-35С, which is in service with the 23 air regiment of the 303 guards mixed air division of the 11 army of the Air Force and Air Defense (joint-based airfield Dzemgi, VVO). The range of the 170-1 rocket has been increased from 80 to 110 km thanks to more advanced aerodynamics of the base body, including recessed lattice attachment points to the drive train. By 2018-th year in service with the VKS should do more than 500 RVV-SD. However, they can provide superiority only over intermediate versions of AMRAAM - AIM-120-C5 / 7


From Western Europe, news that is very unpleasant for us continues to come. Meteor’s MBDA missile is actively integrating into the avionics architecture not only of such machines from the Old World as Typhoon, Rafal and Gripen, but also into the weapon control system of the American 5 generation F-35B Lightning II fighter ", Which should become the basic deck component of the British aircraft carrier R08 HMS" Queen Elizabeth ". Information about this appeared on various 26 sources on April 2017 of the year with reference to the famous janes.com magazine and Dave Armstrong, managing director of MBDA UK. According to their information, by the 2024 year, full-fledged software for the F-35B Block IV SECS will be perfected, which will allow the use of Meteor from the board of the "numbed" Lightning. But here there are some nuances.

According to D. Armstrong, for the correct placement of “Meteor” on the internal nodes of the F-35B Block IV suspension, it is necessary to refine the aerodynamic control surfaces of the rocket to fit the geometric features of the fighter's internal compartment. In this case, Armstrong frankly bluffing, saying that changing the shape and area of ​​the rudders will not affect the effectiveness of the rocket. Back in July 2014, photos of the F-35B mock-up from the Farnborough International Air Show - 2014 were posted on the information resource www.navyrecognition.com, where 2 MBDA Meteor and 8 compact multipurpose weapons were behind the open wings of the weapons compartment SPEAR-3 guided missiles. On the "Meteora" clearly visible the very "trimmed" aerodynamic control surfaces, the "effectiveness" of which said the head of the British division of MBDA. The area of ​​each rotating plane barely corresponds to half of that observed in standard versions of the Meteor, AIM-120C or MICA-IR / EM missiles. To declare in such a situation that the rocket will retain the same maneuverability, it is necessary to be either incompetent in matters of aerodynamics, or simply to mislead the readers, relying on their low technical knowledge. The available rotational speed of the Meteor rocket may decrease by approximately 1,5 times, which will not allow to effectively intercept targets with overloads of more than 8 units.


The photo shows the location of the rocket armament in the internal compartments of the aircraft vertical / short takeoff and landing (SV / KVP) F-35B. One can see strongly “trimmed” tail aerodynamic rudders of “Meteor” rockets, which will significantly affect their flight performance. The maneuverability of this modification will be significantly lower than that of the RVV-AE / SD, AIM-120C and “MICA” missiles.


Our RVV-AE-PD parameters are completely different. Lattice handlebars are equipped with a specialized folding mechanism. This makes it possible to minimize the dimensions of the storage containers, as well as to place the rocket in confined spaces of the internal weapon compartments, or external suspended stealth containers for rocket-bomb armaments (the rocket can fit in square space with a width of 30 cm side and 3750 mm length). The total working area of ​​all blade-shaped planes of each lattice R-77PD steering wheel roughly corresponds to or slightly exceeds the area of ​​a single flat aerodynamic steering wheel of a conventional Meteor modification, and approximately 2 times the steering wheel area of ​​a Meteor rocket adapted for F-35B bays. Already this detail equalizes their LTH. The next point is a lower moment at the turn, due to which it became possible to equip with more miniature "steering gears" (drives), as well as the ability to bring the steering wheel to the 40-degree angle of attack, which neither Meteora nor AMRAAMs will realize due to too much torque on solid steering elements.

Due to similar technological bells and whistles, the RVV-AE-PD is unconditionally ahead of two MBDA “Meteor” modifications in terms of maneuverability parameters at all application ranges. Insignificant, in comparison with Meteor, the disadvantage can be considered only slightly larger dimensions of our rocket in the folded state, the reason for which is the presence not of 2-x, but 4-x of air intakes of the KRPD-TT rocket-ramjet engine with solid propellant gas generator charge. The KRPD-TT 371 engine with specific thrust from 500 to 700 (2,5 times more than anti-aircraft 48Н6Е2) gives the rocket a pre-hypersonic speed in 4,5-5М that can be maintained for a long time. This allows us to intercept targets that are currently unattainable for such "energy" PEM as the P-27EP. The high efficiency of the RVV-AE-PD can be maintained at altitudes up to 30 + km.

As for the RVV-AE-PD and MBDA “Meteor” guidance systems, both our and British air combat missiles have advanced inertial navigation systems, radio-correction modules and can be equipped with new types of multi-mode active radar homing heads operating at the highest frequencies of the centimeter range (J, Ku).


Active radar homing heads of the AD4A family are the basis of the guidance system for four types of ground-based and air-based interceptor missiles, including: the medium-range SAM systems Aster-15 and Aster-30, as well as the EIA MICA-EM and Meteor


The newest active-passive radar homing head 9B-1103М-200PS can be adapted for use on the RVV-AE-PD. An 200 mm slot-hole antenna array and a modern digital element base allow Agatov ARGSN to actively capture an HARM-type target at a distance of 5,5 km, a fighter - 15 km, while the minimum available EPR corresponds to 0,05 м2. Passive mode makes it possible to track down radio-emitting targets (DRLO / RTR aircraft, fighter with radar turned on or anti-ship missiles with operating GOS) at a distance of several dozen to 200 km. Moreover, 9B-1103-200PS is capable of operating on an object flying at a speed of 5300 km / h. According to the manufacturer and specialized sources (as confirmed by the ARGSN parameters), virtually any elements of high precision are included in the list of targets even for the early RVV-AE weapons and air attack weapons (from anti-radar missiles to similar air-to-air missiles Sparrow, AMRAAM and Meteor).

This homing head provides for the “start-and-forget” mode of operation and can reach the target using either a continuously received radio correction signal from the carrier or third-party radar tools, or by complex proportional guidance by flying to a preemptive meeting point with a target. The latter entails some risks associated with the possible loss of a target if, at a distance of three or more than ten kilometers to the interception object, the rocket will be detected by a modern AEW plane or AFAR radar of the AN / APG-79 / 81 / 77 fighter, which notify the victim of the approach of the rocket, after which she will be able to get out from under the scanning zone of the GOS flying up RVV-AE-PD. But these are only nuances that may not be in the conditions of the setting of REP on both sides.


Perspective active-passive RGSN 9B-1103М-200PS, developed by the Moscow Agat research institute, is managed by the on-board computer "Alisa" with a frequency of about 50 MHz and the memory size of the EPROM of the order of 65 KB. The performance of this “core” is quite enough to ensure active or passive work of ARGSN while simultaneously receiving target designation from third-party radio intelligence means of sea, land and air basing


MBDA Meteor also installed an advanced and high-energy impulse-Doppler active radar seeker designed on the basis of AD4A, operating in the higher-frequency J-band centimeter waves (12-18 GHz). As a result, it is possible to work on similar for P-77 or even smaller goals. According to the developers of Dassault Eleqtroniqu and GEC-Marconi, AD4A is capable of hitting a target in the most complicated interfering environment against a sea / land surface, including all approach views of the target (front and rear hemispheres, etc.). Similar principles of proportional guidance are used with and without radio correction as well. The diameter of the seeker is 180 mm. Considering that similar homing heads are installed on the super-maneuverable Aster-30 Block 1 interceptor missiles, which hit targets with a direct hit, the Metaor MBDA can be considered more or less worthy antimissile, like our RVV-AE-PD. True, the British concept has lower maneuverability, and therefore the effectiveness in the fight against "helicopter" targets can be questionable even in view of the presence of a ramjet.

The above described missiles with direct-flow air-jet and combined rocket-direct-flow engines and other drawbacks associated with simplified detection by means of modern optical-electronic sighting infrared complexes mounted on tactical fighter jets of the 4 ++ / 5 generations. These include an infrared system with a distributed aperture of AN / AAQ-37 DAS sensors of the F-35A fighter, an optical-electronic sighting system OLS-35 / UEM and SOAR of Russian fighters Su-35С and MiG-35, as well as the Pirate IRST system, "OSF" and "Skyward-G IRST" multi-purpose fighter "Typhoon", "Rafale" and "Gripen", respectively. For most of the flight path, the gas generator and the combustion chamber produce a high-temperature jet that can be mounted with the above-mentioned infrared sensors at a distance of about 100 km (conventional URVV with a short period of operation of the solid propellant rocket motor does not have these disadvantages).

And even in such circumstances, the energy advantages of the MBDA Meteor and RVV-AE-PD missiles significantly outweigh some of their disadvantages. Unfortunately, we are forced to state an unpleasant reality. Despite all the “flaws” associated with the insufficient size of the aerodynamic rudders in the version of the rocket “Meteor” for F-35B fighters, the first modification for fighters of the generation “4 ++” is an extremely efficient unit, which in all basic qualities of ranged combat is one step higher than URVV currently in service with our fighter jets. In addition to the distribution of "Meteors" among the air forces of European NATO member countries, the USAF can also show interest in the product, which can adapt it for use onboard the F-35A / B / C or even the Raptor F-22A, which is even more alarming.

The situation with our RVV-AE-PD, which is able to fend off all the advantages of Meteor overnight, is still full of mysteries and uncertainties. According to a number of sources, the updated “straight-through” rocket R-77PD, which received the 180-PD product index in the 21st century, went through several stages of development, the first of which ended in 1999. In 2002, an advance design was approved, and already in 2007, the design of the KRPD-TT engine “Product 371” was developed. In the 2012 year, research and development work on a promising rocket was completed; also sounded plans for its integration into the TU-50 SUV PAK FA. After this, there were no clear statements about the future fate of this family of missiles in service with Russian tactical aviation.

Information sources:
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=16890
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/meteor/meteor.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/rvv-cd/rvv-cd.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/rvv-cd/9b-1103m-200ps.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/mica/mica.shtml
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-674.html
http://forum.militaryparitet.com/viewtopic.php?id=16874
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  1. 0
    16 May 2017 17: 33
    Well, it is clear that this RVV-AE-PD is quite a promising missile: it has the potential to become the main medium-range missile.
    1. +4
      16 May 2017 22: 17
      RVV-AE is an air-to-air missile, and not at all a missile.
    2. +6
      16 May 2017 22: 20
      Quote: Tektor
      quite promising missiles:

      She is not a SAM, she is an RVV.
      SAM - missile class "surface-air "("land-air")
      RVV-AE-PD, as a rule, cannot start from the ground (from a stationary carrier): the starting solid propellant rocket motor will not put the ramjet-ramp-TT engine into operation.
      hi
  2. +4
    16 May 2017 18: 19
    Why conclude that the rocket is buried on the basis of a lack of information about its development and refinement. The T-50 didn’t even work out weapons, they only teach it to fly. And the author is already burying our developments. It’s strange somehow.
    1. +3
      16 May 2017 21: 12
      Quote: K-612-O
      Why conclude that the rocket is buried on the basis of a lack of information about its development and refinement. The T-50 didn’t even work out weapons, they only teach it to fly. And the author is already burying our developments. It’s strange somehow.

      Conclusions can be made by looking at the level of salaries at Agate:
      http://siagat.ru/index.php?option=com_content&
      ; view = article & id = 116 & Itemid = 58
      1. +9
        17 May 2017 09: 29
        And indeed, in the whole country it is also possible. I get a little more than 50 as a leading engineer at a defense enterprise in Moscow, and many even less, only the enterprise works, something does not scatter. From this logic, everyone needs to be arranged only in Gazprom and Rosneft and they will probably work awesomely there. If people want to do something, they really want to do it, create it, they will do it.
        1. +3
          18 May 2017 06: 00
          I confirm your information. All these gizmos are now doing ooo, jsc oao (JSC), which are managed by effective managers. Cut the dough. Ponty all this. With this management system, Russia does not pose any threat to NATO, or to anyone else.
          1. +1
            18 May 2017 06: 02
            They will kill our falcons like partridges, in which case.
        2. +3
          18 May 2017 06: 08
          It does not run away, because there is nowhere to run away. Even in the best of times, there were few private ones and they could hardly hold on, but now there are none at all. Kranty, in a word.
          1. +3
            30 May 2017 17: 34
            White sheet to file? And then after all, everything was gone and krants, why flutter.
  3. +2
    16 May 2017 18: 41
    As I understand it, our aviation needs to fasten long-range missiles. Otherwise, enemy aircraft will shoot our birds from a safe distance. It remains the case for small, order from min. defense, money and production facilities. Wanguu that everything stalls at any of the three stages.
    1. +4
      16 May 2017 19: 04
      Quote: Beard31
      Wanguu that everything stalls at any of the three stages.


      What happened to the AUTHOR belay(or I do not recognize him in makeup lol), but the signature is Damantsev .... request
      Finally decided to quit the eternal fellow (or maybe the caps are over wink ) and cut into ... "the truth to the uterus" wassat
      In the second stage (which is your money), it can never die out lol
      Since .. "....... comrades, money has not been canceled yet. From each according to his ability, to each according to his work in cash ..." (quote from A. Mironov, c / f " Watch out for the car")



      1. +14
        16 May 2017 23: 37
        Quote: ancient
        What happened to the AUTHOR

        It is easily recognizable by the twilight flight of thought and spreading over the essence of being ...
        Quote: Author: Evgeny Damantsev
        In the tail part, developed lattice aerodynamic rudders that maintain efficiency at 40-degree angle relative to the normal. Thanks to this, rocket overload can reach 35 units.

        1. It's Mlyn. drop-down stabilizers.
        2. Here they are (approximately)
        :

        rotate them "at 40-degree angle of inclination from the normal" fool

        Trellised rudders (trellised wings) possess operability at large angles of attack (up to 40 degrees) rather than “normals” and “tilt” angles.
        That, however, Meteor BVRAAM will not save: ramjet air intakes (two at the bottom) = angle of attack restriction (or rather diving more)
        differences K-77PD "on the face"

        at K-77PD goals overload to 12 (design, design)
        Threat. Meteor’s target overload is hardly more than 10

        Quote: Author: Evgeny Damantsev
        At low altitudes, the P-33С / 37 range is significantly reduced due to the tropospheric loss of speed and energy characteristics. .
        what

        "Tropospheric losses" Energy losses due to the interaction of the EMP wave (RW) with the atoms of the medium.
        in common radio tropospheric loss.
        At P-37 The height of the targets hit 15-25000 m
        Not. Of course, I realized what this eccentric wanted to say = namely the loss of aerodynamic drag ...
        Troposphere: 0-20km
        energy characteristics.
        at Meteor BVRAAM what appeared to be an adjustable nozzle? and the pressure of the medium at the nozzle exit FSU ?.
        Did not know...

        Quote: Author: Evgeny Damantsev
        where ballistic deceleration rate missiles are very small bthanks to rarefied air.

        What kind of beast is such a "ballistic deceleration rate"?
        I know the ballistic coefficient (for bullets) = retardation
        BC = W / (i * d ^ 2)
        W - bullet weight in pounds,
        d is the diameter of the bullet in inches,
        i - form factor (bullet shape factor or drag coefficient or drag coefficient)

        It would be easier to write: the resistance of a body, when flying in the atmosphere, depends (with equal things) on the density (height) of this atmosphere.
        approx.K-77PD 20-30000м (if not forgotten) and sho?
        Quote: Author: Evgeny Damantsev
        which uses a heavy boron-containing oxygen-deficient fuel as a gas generator

        This makes no sense:
        a gas generator is a mechanism / device and it cannot "use boron as a gas generator (or some bromine)
        Here he is GG

        and under No. 12 (blue) it’s the CHARGE OF THE MARCH TRT (here it is with boron (or some with bromine)
        Born, yes. Only there are alloys of aluminum and magnesium
        Lockheed Missiles and Space is investigating fuels containing 48% ammonium perchlorate, 40% boron, 10,5% oxypolybutadiene acrylic acid, and 1,5% polymerization agent - epoxy.

        And not very successful: it is more difficult to obtain a high completeness of combustion of fuels containing boron. Since boron has a high boiling point, the combustion of particles is mainly surface in nature, i.e., firstly, it is much slower than combustion in the vapor phase, and secondly, it substantially depends not only on mixing with air, but also on temperature.
        But LM does not deal with shorties.
        One of the most important problems of using metals in ramjet fuels is to ensure complete combustion in a mixture with air with a minimum length of the afterburner.

        "oxygen-deficient" yeah. fool
        Quote: Author: Evgeny Damantsev
        minimal ballistic inhibition in the stratosphere.

        Well ett is clear.

        Ballistic inhibition "" (or maybe fermentation)
        Quote: Author
        instantly reduce speed

        They’re “instantly” ... They didn’t suspect the poor SAM from C-300 / 400 and others that after having worked 8-12 seconds as a marching officer, they instantly lose potency and flop ... no one knocking

        Quote: Author: Evgeny Damantsev
        even availability at our Su-35С does not give unique airborne radar “Irbis-E”

        Who is the author of "ours" - xs
        According to official information, in the NIIP them. V.V. Tikhomirova completed work on the modification of the onboard Radar "Irbis-E", intended for export supplies. Export option launched into serial production at the State Ryazan Instrument Plant (GRPZ).
        Irbis-E is a further development of the Bars radar, which is equipped with the Su-30MKI and Su-30MKM heavy fighters. The development of the Irbis-E radar began at the NIIP in 2004, and in 2005 the State Ryazan Instrument Plant (GRPZ) joined in the creation of the new radar. In 2006, flight tests of the radar began on the Su-30MK2 aircraft flying laboratory.


        Quote: Author: Evgeny Damantsev
        The Bayern-Chemie Protac engine is equipped with valve in the nozzle of a gas generator,

        Well valve, so valve = knot for regulating the flow of gas generation products
        Quote: Author
        or to receive target designation from third-party RTR / RER funds via the Link-16 or CDL-39 channel.

        can not
        she has a Universal Miniaturized Missile Data Link (UMMD)


        And what about "cheese boron" then?
        1. +2
          17 May 2017 01: 20
          Quote: opus
          And not very successful: it is more difficult to obtain a high completeness of combustion of fuels containing boron

          Well, well ... "in life" it so often happens: "dreams" are one; "practice" is another! And they dreamed of "boron-containing fuel" in the last century ...
        2. +3
          17 May 2017 01: 35
          Quote: opus
          what is "cheese boron" about?

          The fact that Damantsev misunderstands the method of firing medium- and long-range missile RVV at their maximum distance.

          In this case, the launch of rocket-propelled airborne missiles is carried out along a ballistic trajectory in the process of cabling a carrier aircraft. Most of the flight trajectory of missile RVV passes in a ballistic mode (by inertia) without using its aerodynamic surfaces as load-bearing wings. Lattice aerodynamic surfaces work exclusively as rudders.

          Therefore, when firing at a maximum distance at medium-range and long-range airborne explosives, there are no additional losses to create lift.

          On the other hand, when approaching the target, the missile RVV moves along the descending section of the trajectory with a set speed almost to the maximum (minus aerodynamic losses) at the meeting point with the target, which ensures the calculated maneuverability of the RVV.

          On the other hand, direct-flow RVV when shooting at a maximum distance flies in a straight line using the lifting force of its aerodynamic surfaces. Its flight takes place at a lower altitude than most of the trajectory of the missile propellant explosive, in an environment with a higher air density, which has greater resistance to flight, especially given the low aerodynamic perfection of the direct-flow explosive glider.

          The flight time of the two types of RVV is approximately equal to each other due to a decrease in speed in the ascending section of the trajectory of the rocket RVV and a decrease in engine thrust in the middle section of the trajectory near the direct-flow RVV.

          Therefore, we can talk about the equality of the long-range, high-speed and maneuverable capabilities of these types of RVVs due to the advantage of the rocket type in terms of the absence of a torch of an operating engine when approaching the target, which ensures the invisibility of the rocket in the UV and IR spectra.
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            17 May 2017 12: 41
            Quote: Operator
            missile RVV

            An air-to-air missile ... brilliant! Crying ...
            Quote: Operator
            direct-flow RVV

            ABOUT! And here is not an air-to-air missile. laughing
            Quote: Operator
            RVV rocket launch is carried out along a ballistic trajectory in the process of carrier aircraft cabling

            To go nuts. Is it possible without cabling? laughing No, I would see how the Tu-22М3 on the cab rolls the entire X-15 drum. Unforgettable, presumably, a spectacle should be.
            Quote: Operator
            Lattice aerodynamic surfaces work exclusively as rudders.
            If they work like rudders, then the flight is no longer ballistic, because A ballistic trajectory is the trajectory of a freely cast body.

            At one time, one very famous author-marinist on this site made a wow discovery for himself about a sharp increase in the firing range of C-300 systems in PM versions and later. And he shared with us - this is the introduction of new missile control methods due to the EMNIP of new electronics and radars. It was a lot of fun, I remember. laughing
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              17 May 2017 14: 10
              Quote: Alex_59
              No, I would see how the Tu-22М3 on the cab rolls the whole drum X-15

              I would love to see the X-15 "air-to-air" in your performance laughing
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                17 May 2017 14: 19
                Quote: Operator
                I would love to see the X-15 "air-to-air" in your performance

                Oh, well, I beg you! If a heavy RVP X-15 knows how to make a drawdown after a descent and a program turn to the desired pitch angle, then the RVV is all the more difficult for such a poor maneuver. There’s a direct problem that needs to be covered, yeah.
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                  17 May 2017 14: 25
                  So-so-so: it means that the X-15 still belongs to the air-to-surface class.

                  Then why all this flood of yours as much as two comments - such as clever?
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                    17 May 2017 14: 45
                    Quote: Operator
                    Then why all this flood of yours as much as two comments - such as clever?

                    Why not be smart? There is a type of forum, people communicate. I'm smart, you too. Fine. And the comment to the fact that there is no need for the carrier to go on the cabling to launch the RVV at maximum range.
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                      17 May 2017 15: 13
                      Carrier aircraft’s cabling will not hurt, but, on the contrary, will help the RVV fly as far as possible.
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                        17 May 2017 15: 52
                        Quote: Operator
                        Carrier aircraft’s cabling will not hurt, but, on the contrary, will help the RVV fly as far as possible.

                        So today I have nothing to do at work, I took up the calculations.
                        Requirements:
                        Missile BB, weight 175 kg, carrier at an altitude of 10 000 m, speed 800 km / h. All other conditions are equal (thrust impulse, Cx, etc.), but calculation No. 1 - the rocket descends at a pitch angle of 0 degrees and during the engine’s operating time (4 sec) it turns around at an angle of 45 degrees. Calculation No. 2 - the rocket on the carrier already at the moment of descent is oriented at an angle of 45 degrees (i.e. the carrier launches for cabling).
                        What do we get.
                        Rocket No. 1 reached the ground at a distance of 218 km, having a speed of 1167 m / s
                        Rocket No. 2 reached the ground at a distance of 221 km, having a speed of 1193 m / s
                        The calculation error is about 5-10% (the homemade model is tested on 8К14, 48Н6Е, LGM-118, RT-2П and some others).
                        So the effect of the cabling affects the range within the measurement error. That is why no one really steals with such a maneuver to increase the firing range of guided missile weapons (bombs are another matter).
  4. +3
    17 May 2017 04: 07
    Although I put the article a plus, but did not understand .... what did the author want to convey to us? What sworn friends did a miracle rocket ?, that we do not have a miracle rocket? Or are we going the wrong way?
    I understand. that we have problems with the new type of armament, but old models are already far from being adopted. The same R-77 seems to have been upgraded more than once ...
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    17 May 2017 17: 53
    Alex_59,
    3 km range gain - you can already drink champagne laughing

    But I suspect that your calculation did not take into account the impact of rocket fuel savings on the increase in flight range (in view of the refusal of vertical rocket maneuver immediately after launch) if the launch is carried out at an angle of 45 degrees to the horizon.
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      17 May 2017 19: 32
      Quote: Operator
      3 km range gain - you can already drink champagne

      Slightly possible, of course, who argues. smile

      Quote: Operator
      But I suspect that your calculation did not take into account the impact of rocket fuel savings on the increase in flight range (in view of the refusal of vertical rocket maneuver immediately after launch) if the launch is carried out at an angle of 45 degrees to the horizon.

      And what is the saving there? The missile does this maneuver in a split second. Again, its initial kinetic energy, which in the case of a start with an angle of 0, which is the same in the case of a start with an angle of 45, the carrier flies at the same speed and at the same height in both cases. The energy is the same, just the velocity vector is directed differently at the moment of descent. The amount of energy received from the engine is also the same. What is different? Duplicate by 45 degrees in a split second. How much kinetic energy will a rocket lose on such a maneuver? Compared to the initial (from the carrier) and acquired (from the engine) energy, this is a drop in the ocean - a person weighing 175 kg around a center of mass can be turned with one hand by a person. These losses are expressed in the reduction in range at 3 km and the loss of excess 26 m / s. The numbers are, of course, very rough, maybe a little more.
      You can check yourself differently. If a rocket loses energy during a turn-over (and it loses it, at least a little - but a fact), then according to Newton’s laws this means that there is a force that is directed against the engine thrust vector. Strength is acceleration. Again, it is logical - the movement around the circle - there is a movement with acceleration. Only the exposure time is a fraction of a second, and the acceleration itself is small in comparison with the acceleration created by the engine. And then - a flight in discharged layers, where the energy is essentially conserved (if it were near the ground, the loss of these tiny joules would have cost ten kilometers).
      Well, something like this. I'm not a physicist, maybe of course where the error is ... but everything seems to converge.
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        17 May 2017 19: 38
        Due to fuel economy, it is a rough estimate to increase the flight range by about 45-1 percent by turning the RVV at 3 degrees — I would not neglect this possibility.
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    19 May 2017 01: 14
    And what about "cheese boron" then?
    opus, so him ... for the sake of ... facts on a sad face! .. fellow good
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      10 June 2017 14: 06
      Well, yes, the sub-zone of the military industrial complex of the NATA countries is counted! :)
    2. 0
      6 August 2017 14: 05
      And what difference does it make that someone is right. and someone is wrong. All the same, it does not bring anyone closer to the truth., And theories and scientific methods are only justified when their applied application gives an obvious result. And of course there is a result, but there is no further development. Everyone ran into a certain limit of possibilities. So, let "fool No." appear, but his ideas will work than a huge number of posed wiseacres, but there is no work.
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    22 December 2020 16: 28
    When the author collected from his charges, he apparently got confused. He piled up unreliable information just horror, it makes no sense even to comment.
  8. 0
    22 December 2020 16: 33
    I can’t understand why affftr Yevgeny Damantsev, in articles on any topic, praises NATO weapons so much, and often uses not reliable information. All the performance characteristics of Western weapons are already overstated, this is their principle, and Damantsev is still adding. It's sad that Voennoye Obozreniye is falling so badly because of its experts.
  9. +1
    20 January 2021 17: 32
    The author is disingenuous, equating the GOS with Aster's AFAR and the "active-passive" domestic GOS SHAR. Different classes.