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Russia entered the top three countries with the largest military spending

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Following 2016, Russia increased its military spending by 5,9%, bringing it to 69,2 a billion dollars. This allowed the country to enter the top three world leaders in terms of defense spending, displacing Saudi Arabia to fourth place, whose military expenditures for the past year amounted to 63,7 billion dollars. At the same time, the first two places in this ranking still hold the United States with expenditures at the level of 611 billion dollars and China with expenditures of 215 billion dollars. Such data is contained in the next report of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).


We are talking about indicators in current US dollars: nominal expenses in national currency are recalculated at the average annual market rate of the US currency. According to experts, the total military spending of all countries in the world in 2016 amounted to 1,69 trillion dollars, which is 2,2% of world GDP. Of these, only 4,1% is in Russia versus 36% in the USA and 13% in the PRC. In nominal terms in local currency, SIPRI experts estimated Russia's military spending for 2016 a year at 4,64 trillion rubles. The increase compared to 2015 year was 14,8%.

How did the military spending of countries in 2016 change?

The growth of countries' military expenditures at the end of 2016 amounted to 0,4% in real terms as compared to 2015. At the same time, the USA remains the state with the highest military spending in the world. In 2016, US defense spending rose by 1,7%. An increase in state spending could mean the end of the spending cuts trend caused by the global economic crisis and the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. At the same time, US military expenditures for 2016 for the year still remain 20% lower than at their peak - in 2010. In the future, with high probability, they will only grow. In particular, the American President Donald Trump publicly advocated an increase in the Pentagon’s budget financing by 54 billion dollars.

Army crew training aviation and VKS in Kubinka, photo: mil.ru (Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation)


SIPRI experts note that the military spending of Western European countries has been growing for the second year in a row, starting with 2015. As a result of 2016, they increased by 2,6%. Institute specialists say that in 2016, the increase in military spending was recorded in all countries of Western Europe, with the exception of three states. The most significant increase in military spending in Italy, which last year increased by 11%. The states with the largest relative increase in military spending in the period from 2015 to 2016 are located in Central Europe. Total defense spending in this region increased by 2,4% in the previous year. According to Simon Wezeman, a senior officer of the SIPRI Arms and Military Expenditures Program, the increase in spending in many Central European countries is partly due to their perception of Russia as a country that poses an increased threat to them. Even despite the fact that all of Russia's military spending in 2016 was only 27% of the total military expenditures of European members of NATO.

The share of military expenditures in GDP at the end of 2016 was the highest in the countries of the Middle East, where the average figure is 6,0% of GDP. The lowest average indicators were recorded in North and South America - about 1,3% of GDP. At the same time, experts note a decrease in military spending in Africa, in 2016, the total military expenditures here were reduced by 1,3%. African military spending has been falling for the second year in a row after 11 years of continuous growth.

Also in a SIPRI press release, it is noted that the increase in military spending by the Russian Federation in 2016 went against the general trend of reducing such expenses in oil-producing countries following the cheapening of oil prices on the world market. For example, Venezuela reduced its military spending by 56% immediately, South Sudan - by 54%, Azerbaijan - by 36%, Iraq - by 36%, Saudi Arabia - by 30%. In addition to Russia from the states for which oil exports are of great economic importance, military spending increased only Iran and Norway, and Algeria and Kuwait were able to cover their expenses in the framework of previously approved plans. At the same time, the average price of Brent crude oil in 2016 fell by 16% compared to the average price of 2015 of the year, while the Russian Urals crude fell even more - by 18%.

Exercises in the Southern Urals (Chebarkul training ground), photo: mil.ru (Russian Defense Ministry)


In this regard, the reduction in the cost of defense of Saudi Arabia is remarkable. Despite the state’s continued participation in regional wars, in 2016, Saudi Arabia’s defense expenditures immediately fell by 30% - to 63,7 billion dollars, moving the country to the 4 line of the rating. India ranks fifth in the world in military spending, which, by the end of 2016, increased them by 8,5%, bringing this figure to 55,9 billion dollars.

How do you think military spending in SIPRI

There is no exact definition that would reveal the concept of "military spending", no. A variety of sources may or may not include different categories. For example, SIPRI tries to include in its assessment “all the costs of the existing armed forces and military activities,” including the costs of the paramilitary structures, which include the Russian Guard and civilian defense personnel. It also takes into account social benefits for military personnel and their families, defense developments and research, military assistance to other states, and military construction. At the same time, in the Stockholm Institute, expenditures on civil defense, which are under the authority of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, and current expenditures on past military activities are excluded from consideration (these are benefits to veterans, elimination of weaponsconversion of military-industrial enterprises). Even if the last expenses are paid directly from the budget of the Ministry of Defense.

In his official press release SIPRI points out that the institute tracks changes in military spending around the world and maintains the most comprehensive, consistent and extensive database of countries' military spending. The institute's specialists include government spending on current military and military activities, including salaries and benefits, operational expenses, purchases of weapons and military equipment, military construction, research and development, as well as command and central control. That is why SIPRI does not recommend the use of terms such as, for example, “weapons costs” when talking about military expenditures, since the expenditures on weapons and military equipment usually constitute only a smaller part of the total military expenditures of states.

Field activities with reconnaissance units of a motorized rifle unit of the Southern Military District (Kadamovsky test site, Rostov region), photo: mil.ru (Russian Ministry of Defense)


Comments on rating published by SIPRI

The estimate of Russian military expenditures for 2016 a year included expenditures amounting to about 800 billion rubles (11,8 billion dollars), which were intended to pay off part of the debt of domestic defense enterprises to commercial banks. Reports about it RBC With reference to SIPRI Senior Researcher Simon Viseman. These allocations, which were unexpectedly allocated at the end of 2016 of the year, were positioned by the government as one-time. We are talking about the early repayment of defense loans, which were taken in the past years under state guarantees to fulfill the state defense order. “If it were not for these one-off payments, the military expenditures of the Russian Federation would have decreased in the 2016 year compared with the 2015 year,” said Simon Weseman.

Since most of all defense spending in Russia goes through secret (closed) budget items, how much the Russian government has spent to pay off MIC loans cannot be said. Andrei Makarov, head of the budget committee of the State Duma, called the figure 793 billion rubles. At the same time, the Accounts Chamber in the operational report on budget execution in 2016 reported that last year 975 guarantees for billions of rubles in loans to defense enterprises for the purpose of fulfilling the state defense order were terminated.

Thus, the one-time cost of closing the “credit scheme” of the Russian defense industry has led to the fact that the volume of military expenditures of the country in relation to GDP in the 2016 year reached a record 5,3% - this is the maximum figure in stories independent Russia, noted in the SIPRI certificate. At the same time, Russia assesses its defense spending more modestly. According to current government plans, military spending will decline from 4,7% of GDP in 2016 to 3% of GDP in 2018.

Tactical teachings of SOBR, OMON and private security guards of the Main Department of the Russian Guard in the Moscow Region, photo: Vladimir Nikolaichuk, rosgvard.ru


Founder of the Military Russia Internet portal Dmitry Kornev in a conversation with journalists Russia Today suggested that SIPRI could also take into account expenses that were spread over other items of the Russian budget. The expert noted that in the budget of Russia, in addition to the article "National Defense" (conditionally it is she who is considered the military budget), there is also an item of expenditure called "National Security". These are expenses of the state on the Ministry of Internal Affairs, special services and other security agencies. “Analysts, for example, could take into account the costs of Rosgvardiyu formed in 2016. The new Russian power structure is also responsible for the security of the country, and we don’t have accurate data on its financing. The Stockholm Institute could roughly estimate how much money was spent on Rosgvardiyu, as well as associated defense spending. All this does not mean that the institute made a serious mistake somewhere, ”noted Dmitry Kornev.

Vadim Kozyulin, a professor at the Academy of Military Sciences, in turn, believes that the impressive SIPRI data on the growth of military spending in Russia should not become a pretext for accusing our country of militarization. “Against the background of the prevailing situation in the world as a whole, as well as the situation around the Russian Federation in particular, they want to hang a lot of labels on us. I would not trust SIPRI statistics unconditionally. Often the numbers can be very different from reality. Our country cuts spending on the military sector. This is dictated by economic reasons and is felt by all, ”said Vadim Kozyulin in an interview with RT.

Estimates of Russian military spending by other specialists

It is worth noting that the assessment of the state’s military spending is not limited to calculations by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. A large number of equally authoritative centers operate with other statistical data. For example, the well-known military-analytical magazine Jane's Defense Weekly previously published a study that noted that in 2016, Russia spent a billion dollars for the needs of the 48,5 army. As a result, Moscow dropped out of the top five leading countries of the world in defense spending, from fifth place according to Jane's Defense, India was squeezed by India, whose military expenditures reached 50,7 billion dollars. According to the forecasts of this publication, according to the results of 2018, the Russian Federation will go down to the 7 line in this ranking. At the same time, India, on the contrary, will rise even higher - to the third line (56,5 billion dollars), Great Britain to the fourth line - 55,4 billion dollars, and Saudi Arabia will close the top five. In sixth place will be France - 45,5 billion dollars.

The first teaching of the Airborne Forces of Russia with the massive use of the latest BMD-4M and BTR-MDM combat vehicles, photo: mil.ru (Russian Ministry of Defense)


Similar estimates led and the British consulting firm IHS Markit. According to her data, in 2016, Russian defense expenditures fell by 7% - to 48,4 billion dollars. In another two years, the Russian military budget will shrink by another 7,3 billion dollars - to 41,4 billion. Japan (41 billion dollars) and Germany (37,9 billion dollars) will breathe in the back of the Russian Federation in terms of military spending.

According to estimates by Global Firepower experts, in 2016, Russia spent 46,6 a billion dollars on defense, beating Japan (40,3 billion) and India (40 billion). At the same time, Britain (55 billion), Saudi Arabia (56,725 billion), China (155 billion) and the USA (581 billion) are located above Russia. It is worth noting that all three of the presented statistical reports are united by the fact that they estimate the military budget of Russia at an amount not exceeding 50 billion dollars, and predict its further reduction. It is possible that these analytical foreign centers took the statistics of the Russian government as the basis for their calculations. So in 2016, 3,1 trillion rubles was spent on the needs of the national defense of the Russian Federation (the amount was adjusted in favor of reduction to 2,886 trillion rubles). This figure at the weighted average exchange rate of the ruble to the dollar over the past two years is just about 50 billion dollars.
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  1. Sailor
    Sailor 3 May 2017 15: 33
    +4
    And you can’t slow down, the very existence of Russia is at stake!
    1. Butters
      Butters 3 May 2017 15: 35
      13
      Russia entered the top three countries with the largest military spending

      It would be more pleasant to see Russia in the top three countries with the strongest economies.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 3 May 2017 16: 11
        +8
        Military spending is high, but it’s of little use. Even the United States with the largest military spending in the world holds only one combat helicopter in service. And we have three. Similarly with tanks ... It would be better if Russia was in the top three countries with the largest social expenditures.
        1. enhansment
          enhansment 3 May 2017 17: 19
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          Even the United States with the largest military spending in the world holds only one combat helicopter in service.

          They have 2 helicopters, but why more?
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 3 May 2017 17: 26
            +1
            Which second? UH-60 transporter, an analogue of our Mi-8. Specifically, they have one battle, this is Apache.
            1. enhansment
              enhansment 3 May 2017 17: 36
              +2
              Quote: Basarev
              Which second? UH-60 transporter, an analogue of our Mi-8. Specifically, they have one battle, this is Apache.

              They have an ILC flying on Cobra and its modernizations.
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 3 May 2017 17: 44
                0
                The cobra is also a transporter, only the SuperCobra is armed, but it is actually a small analogue of our Mi-8AMTS. I am only talking about specifically a special-purpose combat helicopter. That is Apache.
                1. enhansment
                  enhansment 3 May 2017 17: 54
                  +2
                  Cobra - the first attack helicopter in the world. Yes, it is made on the basis of a transporter, like the Mi-24 has a lot in common with the Mi-8. This is specifically a combat helicopter, you can’t imagine more specifically.
                2. DOCTOR ZLO
                  DOCTOR ZLO 3 May 2017 20: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: Basarev
                  The cobra is also a transporter, only the SuperCobra is armed, but it is actually a small analogue of our Mi-8AMTS. I am only talking about specifically a special-purpose combat helicopter. That is Apache.

                  You confuse with the "Black Hawk", that one is really multi-purpose ...
                  http://www.studfiles.ru/preview/280230/
                  1. Basarev
                    Basarev 3 May 2017 20: 16
                    0
                    What was meant - Cobra is also multi-purpose. Initially, only Apache was built as a shock.
                    1. enhansment
                      enhansment 3 May 2017 20: 33
                      +1
                      Just type in the search engine, the helicopter "Cobra".
                      American attack helicopter, developed by Bell Helicopter Textron in the early 1960s. The world's first specially designed combat helicopter. It was used with great success in the Vietnam War and other armed conflicts. At the beginning of the XXI century, AH-1 helicopters continue to be in service with a number of countries, including the United States.
        2. A1845
          A1845 3 May 2017 17: 30
          +1
          Quote: Basarev
          And we have - as many as three
          choosing one of three can be so difficult! it is easier for those in power to finance all three
      2. cost
        cost 3 May 2017 16: 35
        +2
        Russia entered the top three countries with the largest military spending

        it should be so, the main thing is that these expenses go to their intended purpose
      3. 73bor
        73bor 3 May 2017 16: 45
        +2
        Do you think that we have nothing and no one to defend against? There are examples in history when a strong economy did not prevent a military collapse of the state, it is not far to go — the Roman Empire, France in World War II, from fresh — Saudi Arabia (some defeats in Yemen), in my opinion Mosul has not yet been taken (USA they take)!
        1. Butters
          Butters 3 May 2017 17: 15
          +5
          The USSR collapsed, among other things, due to exorbitant defense spending. I read somewhere that almost up to 20% of GDP reached, while in the USA it was kept at the level of 5-6%. To maintain a strong army, you need a strong economy, and the Russian economy is certainly not in third place and you can see another “excess”, which were abundant in the recent history of Russia / USSR.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 3 May 2017 17: 30
            +1
            Yes, if you take economic reasons seriously, it turns out that at least 60% of the USSR budget went to bullshit. In addition to exorbitant military expenditures and the maintenance of fraternal regimes around the world, 14 ogloveds were also fed domestically. And I would like to be fair. For the Russians to feed only the Russians. Perhaps the Union would not have arisen at 22, only one RSFSR remained, socialism and now the ball was ruled in Russia.
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 3 May 2017 22: 07
              0
              The RSFSR of the 1922 model throughout the territory covered the current Russian Federation (without the Kaliningrad region, South Sakhalin and Tuva, as well as parts of modern Karelia, the Murmansk region and the Leningrad region), more than half of modern Belarus, most of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and part of Uzbekistan (including Tashkent ) and Turkmenistan.
            2. Curious
              Curious 3 May 2017 22: 18
              +2
              Well, now, for almost 30 years, don’t feed sinter eaters. Has it become much better?
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 3 May 2017 22: 28
                0
                Now ogloedy moved to Russia itself. The stream does not dry up, and the authorities indulge him in every way. Yes, and not everyone in Russia works for the common good, there are also free parasites. I would cut off the entire mountain Caucasus from the budget. My key idea is for the Russians to feed only the Russians.
                1. Curious
                  Curious 3 May 2017 23: 08
                  +3
                  That is, Mikhelson, Fridman, Usmanov, Vekselberg, Alekperov, Abramovich, Makhmudov, Karapetyan and the like you don’t want to feed, but are Potanin, Mordashev, Rybolovlev and others like them ready to feed?
                  1. Brs2
                    Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 58
                    +1
                    Good point))))
                2. Brs2
                  Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 57
                  +2
                  Dude, yes, you are the main opponent of Russia then, if you think so. I don’t know how old you are, but this, to put it mildly, is not serious. Russia is made up of territories where some peoples originally lived - Tatars, etc. Yes, they are not as numerous as we are, and at one time we included these lands in the Moscow kingdom (no one conquered anyone, by the way, this happened naturally by the standards of the feudal way of life of the then after the collapse of the Horde into fragments. And each fragment wanted to be most importantly, we just won in this game, that's all), but the fact that they are as integral part of the country as we are is a fact that it’s ridiculous to even discuss it.
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 9 February 2018 18: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: Brs2
                    Russia is made up of territories where some peoples originally lived - Tatars, etc.

                    It’s just the opposite, the whole of Russia was originally inhabited by Russians, and other peoples have come quite recently and take root. And then it turns out that the Jews are an indigenous people - after all, they have autonomy, but the Russians do not, and the Germans are also the indigenous people of Russia, before the war they had their own autonomy.
                    paleogenetics does not show other indigenous peoples besides Russians.
              2. Kostya Andreev
                Kostya Andreev 3 May 2017 23: 40
                +1
                Quote: Curious
                . Has it become much better?

                Yes it got better

                And about non-parasite regions and Russians feed the Russians, this man naively said.
                1. Brs2
                  Brs2 9 February 2018 13: 02
                  +1
                  Got better? Specify to whom? Today our state is no longer ours. It is always an instrument of the hegemonic class, and now, as you know, this class is completely different and it has nothing to do with most citizens. If it is better for you personally, then write so. And then we know such propagandists.
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 9 February 2018 18: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Brs2
                    Today our state is no longer ours.

                    Probably when Russia was ruled by the German Tsar or the Communist Jews, our state was on our board?
          2. _Ugene_
            _Ugene_ 3 May 2017 22: 49
            +1
            whereas in the USA it was kept at the level of 5-6%

            so we have now at this level
            the country's military spending in relation to GDP in 2016 reached a record 5,3%

            this is the maximum, over the next few years, according to the plan, it is reduced to 3%, and given that the army has been intensively ruined for 20 years, 5,3% of GDP does not look like a waste.
          3. KaPToC
            KaPToC 3 May 2017 23: 43
            +4
            Quote: Butters
            The USSR collapsed, among other things, due to exorbitant defense spending.

            The USSR collapsed because the elites wanted to legalize their unearned income - this is the only reason for the collapse of the USSR - the rest is the excuses of our government.
            1. Brs2
              Brs2 9 February 2018 13: 05
              0
              And there is. The USSR collapsed due to a variety of reasons, and one of them was the betrayal of the elite. Well, they might not call it that, of course, but nevertheless it is. This is the greatest victory of the West in history in a "relationship" with us. This is so far.
      4. vlad007
        vlad007 4 May 2017 07: 55
        +3
        Quote: Butters

        It would be more pleasant to see Russia in the top three countries with the strongest economies.

        The defense industry is jobs. I think that an increase in defense spending is a necessary measure in the context of the crisis and import substitution. First of all, Ukrainian products have to be replaced. In addition, the defense industry is the locomotive of industry - an industry that pulls all other industries and science.
      5. Brs2
        Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 24
        0
        Well, we are not in such a tail. We have somewhere 5-6 place in the world with all the external effects there. Not the USSR, of course.
    2. iouris
      iouris 4 May 2017 10: 53
      +1
      The main point of military spending is not to cut, but to create new technologies that will later come into the production of non-military goods of mass demand. But in the absence of a market, this is pointless. In a state that wants to survive under sanctions, a minimum of 250-300 million people should live.
      1. Brs2
        Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 30
        0
        And what we still have the military in the world is still the main driver?
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 3 May 2017 15: 36
    +8
    And new defense projects are cutting due to lack of funding ... complete idiocy.
    1. Astart
      Astart 3 May 2017 17: 39
      +3
      Yes, everyone cuts and cuts, that not a year is a new project. Well, to the "all-wrestlers" they can’t kill for joy
  3. A1845
    A1845 3 May 2017 15: 41
    +1
    still earned as we spend, it would be generally good ..
    1. Astart
      Astart 3 May 2017 16: 13
      +3
      Russia is in the 3-6th place in defense spending, and 2. in the sale of weapons. What do you dislike or grumble for general noise?
      1. Butters
        Butters 3 May 2017 17: 19
        +2
        For general noise. Russia occupies 12 place among the economies of the world (http://statisticstimes.com/economy/projected-wor
        ld-gdp-ranking.php) is only one place ahead of Australia in which cities once, two and miscalculated
        1. A1845
          A1845 3 May 2017 17: 27
          +1
          Australia produces all conceivable minerals and it is convenient to export them by sea, go catch up with such an economy ..
          1. Alexaner Arier
            Alexaner Arier 3 May 2017 21: 27
            +2
            Hmm, this is an argument. it is necessary as Russia to break through to the seas. Without access to the seas, of course, Australia cannot be compared.
            1. A1845
              A1845 4 May 2017 09: 50
              0
              they don’t even catch up, they have a kangaroo jumping there with a big pocket on their belly, but what about us?
              that's just bears and roam in the thickets of branched cranberries ..
        2. Astart
          Astart 3 May 2017 17: 34
          +4
          You look at the PPP GDP. Russia, both economically and on defense spending, is at: 6th place
          In general, how to count. If the Saudis buy equipment from other countries for cash, then they withdraw money from the economy. And Russia, producing everything itself, invests in its high-tech production
          1. A1845
            A1845 3 May 2017 17: 41
            0
            not everything is so obvious
            1. equipment is mainly imported
            2. you still have to buy high-tech, the same valve arrays for the production of on-board computers
            3. With any support, our manufacturers do not become competitive, alas ..
            1. Astart
              Astart 3 May 2017 17: 54
              +1
              Point 1,2 is working, and there are progress. P 3- on the export of arms Russia 2nd place. And there are plans for 2020 50% of military-industrial complex products were non-military (I don’t know how much this will turn out)
              1. A1845
                A1845 4 May 2017 09: 54
                +1
                Quote: Astarte
                Item 1,2-work
                well done, but you need acceleration
                Quote: Astarte
                I don’t know how much this will turn out
                in Soviet times, they knew it well, almost all consumer goods were driven to the same factories as the defense industry
          2. enhansment
            enhansment 3 May 2017 17: 49
            +1
            Quote: Astarte
            You look at the PPP GDP. Russia, both economically and on defense spending, is at: 6th place

            PPP GDP does not stand up to criticism at all.
            They compare the price of Bigmaks there and make a rating on this basis.
            1. Astart
              Astart 3 May 2017 18: 17
              +2
              There is no point arguing about PPP GDP. Leading economists around the world cannot resolve this issue. I nevertheless believe that when comparing different economic models, this is, by far, the best system (and the bigmak from the tank, in the production sense, is no different)
              1. enhansment
                enhansment 3 May 2017 18: 39
                +2
                Well, yes, a cow and a tank to create the same thing.
                It makes no sense to argue, maybe before PPP GDP showed something, now in the global economy it is a laugh, not a rating.
                For example, when we buy machines for 1 billion dollars, we will have to say that at PPP the dollar is 20 rubles and we will pay 3 times less.
                What can I say, the ruble against the dollar fell 2 times, the purchasing power of the population declined, the economy was in crisis, and the PPP rating of GDP did not change)
              2. KaPToC
                KaPToC 3 May 2017 23: 45
                0
                Quote: enhansment
                They compare the price of Bigmaks there and on this basis make a rating

                Quote: Astarte
                Leading economists around the world cannot resolve this issue.

                When compared to steel production - the same sixth place in the world.
            2. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 3 May 2017 22: 10
              +2
              Just the nominal GDP does not stand up to criticism.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 3 May 2017 22: 08
          +3
          This is at par. you need to look at the faculty. The Russian economy is the fifth-sixth in the world.
        4. stas
          stas 4 May 2017 13: 44
          0
          Under the USSR, the share of its economy in the world was 14%, and now only 1,5%.
          Which 12 place, in all 48 ratings.
          1. Radio operator Petrov
            Radio operator Petrov 5 May 2017 05: 58
            +2
            This is how to count. Their apartment is a million dollars, ours is one hundred thousand. It turns out that 10 times poorer? But in fact - the same thing.
            1. stas
              stas 5 May 2017 11: 44
              +1
              Market prices for apartments do not determine the level of the country's economy.
        5. Brs2
          Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 32
          0
          There are big doubts among experts that it is possible to calculate the GDP of a single country according to modern concepts.
  4. Holoy
    Holoy 3 May 2017 17: 16
    0
    They went along the USSR path, history has never taught anything ...
    1. A1845
      A1845 3 May 2017 17: 29
      0
      not .. then they were in the first place
    2. Astart
      Astart 3 May 2017 17: 36
      +1
      Okay, don’t cry, maybe we won’t die yet, we’ll be saved somehow.
      1. 31rus4
        31rus4 3 May 2017 17: 45
        0
        Dear, just like that, all this “top” will go “underground” beyond the hill, and Minin and Pozharsky will once again save the country, well, here the “underground” will return, but what about the money they have
      2. 31rus4
        31rus4 3 May 2017 17: 51
        0
        Dear, are you serious? For such a country and with such a territory as Russia, such expenses are a trifle, and even compared with Saudi Arabia, laughter. Another thing is that we do not pull economically, but this is a different song, although how to look
        1. fa2998
          fa2998 3 May 2017 19: 21
          +1
          Defense spending is not determined by the size of the country's territory. Mainly economically by its potential, population, etc.
          Look how big Canada is, but it does not break into the lead. Everything should be in moderation. Approx. 2% of the domestic product. This is the USSR OIL cheaper and we all for military expenses. So the USSR also made something along with oil, and traded.
          So you can repeat the negative experience of advice. hi
    3. Brs2
      Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 35
      0
      I doubt very much that one can take the USSR’s path. I don’t see any race. It’s trite to update army equipment, and it doesn’t smell of any cold war.
  5. Dimitriy1
    Dimitriy1 3 May 2017 20: 19
    0
    Well, ash stump, that central Europe will increase its military spending, while Russia is nearby. "The biggest threat."
  6. Alexaner Arier
    Alexaner Arier 3 May 2017 21: 17
    0
    Now, if in the top three in income.
    like an old joke, we fought that there wouldn’t be rich,
    -And we always wanted that there would be no poor.
    1. Brs2
      Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 39
      0
      We never entered the top three in income, only the USSR in terms of total goods had an achievement in comparison with Europe, but experts should say this. In Europe, the civilization of the modern refined type arose in the Bronze Age even, and in our country 400 years later. Geographical conditions were not comparable with Europe. It is impossible to directly compare Russia with Europe. Never.
  7. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 4 May 2017 00: 52
    +1
    "Russia entered the top three countries with the largest military spending
    That's when we will have thousands of new tanks, planes, ships, submarines then we must boast
  8. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 4 May 2017 00: 55
    +2
    [quote = Butters] The USSR collapsed, among other things, due to exorbitant defense spending. I read somewhere that almost 20% of GDP reached, while in the USA it was kept at the level of 5-6%. To maintain a strong army, you need a strong economy, and the Russian economy is certainly not in third place and you can see another "excess", which in the recent history of Russia / the USSR was abundant. [/ Quote
    In the USSR, there were normal defense spending. No need to chat. We would have such expenses now.
    1. Brs2
      Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 43
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      Of course, the USSR did not fall apart from any military expenditures. This is propaganda of Svanidze-Melechinsky - nothing more. And in general - problems in the economy were certain negative trends, let’s say, but the main reason was the political and bureaucratic system.
  9. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 4 May 2017 00: 58
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    Quote: fa2998
    Defense spending is not determined by the size of the country's territory. Mainly economically by its potential, population, etc.
    Look how big Canada is, but it does not break into the lead. Everything should be in moderation. Approx. 2% of the domestic product. This is the USSR OIL cheaper and we all for military expenses. So the USSR also made something along with oil, and traded.
    So you can repeat the negative experience of advice. hi

    So Canada was not threatened by anyone. And we have enemies in bulk.
  10. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 4 May 2017 01: 03
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    Russia needs thousands of tanks, planes, ships, submarines. Full militarization. Otherwise, Russia will not be a great power. They will simply crush us.
    1. stas
      stas 4 May 2017 13: 52
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      Russia needs a reasonable and honest government working for the country and not for its own pocket.
      Then they definitely will not crush.
      The greatness of the country is not in complete militarization.
      They want to drive us into an arms race, and some patriots are trying to provoke.
      1. Brs2
        Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 45
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        In vain worry about the race. There are no human and industrial resources for her today. This is propaganda. There will be no race. At least in that old form. Yes, this is not necessary.
  11. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 4 May 2017 01: 06
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    Quote: Basarev
    Yes, if you take economic reasons seriously, it turns out that at least 60% of the USSR budget went to bullshit. In addition to exorbitant military expenditures and the maintenance of fraternal regimes around the world, 14 ogloveds were also fed domestically. And I would like to be fair. For the Russians to feed only the Russians. Perhaps the Union would not have arisen at 22, only one RSFSR remained, socialism and now the ball was ruled in Russia.

    You do not spread these liberal nonsense.
    1. Brs2
      Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 48
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      Well, this has a small home-made grain - 70-90% of what was produced in the USSR was produced in the RSFSR, but how would it help socialism, which was generally thought of as world once))))
  12. stas
    stas 4 May 2017 13: 41
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    Quote: Butters
    Russia entered the top three countries with the largest military spending

    It would be more pleasant to see Russia in the top three countries with the strongest economies.

    What government is appointed by the king, such is the economy.
    If a civil law teacher rules the Russian economy, it’s all the same if a bookkeeper would do a heart surgery.
    The result is obvious - you die or help you.
    It is necessary to send such a doctor to the king.
    1. Brs2
      Brs2 9 February 2018 12: 50
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      Yes. We are witnessing the decomposition of late Soviet society. The military budget itself can be discussed, of course, but without understanding the structure and processes in society (and what this all leads to) it doesn’t make much sense.