Upgraded main tank "Chonma-216" (DPRK)

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15 April, a military parade was held in Pyongyang on the 105 anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung. As part of this festive event, the armed forces of the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea showed for the first time several new types of weapons and military equipment. For obvious reasons, all these new items attracted the attention of specialists and the general public around the world. North Korea has traditionally been in no hurry to advertise their designs, which is why every parade attracts much attention from foreign countries. At this time, one of the "nails of the program" was a modernized tank "Chonma-216", which attracted attention due to several of its features.

According to reports, a new option tank Chonma-216 is another development in the whole family of armored combat vehicles. Back in the mid-seventies, North Korean industry launched the production of a licensed version of the Soviet medium tank T-62. In the DPRK, this technique was called 천마 - “Chonma” (the names “Chonmakho” and “Chollima” are also found). For the first time such a car was shown publicly only in the early eighties. Subsequently, several new combat vehicles were created on the basis of the existing tank, which differed from each other in various design improvements, as well as in the growth of basic characteristics associated with them.




The parade of tanks "Chonma-216". Broadcast frame


Tank "Chonma-216", according to various sources, was created in the middle of the two thousandth, and soon entered service. In the future, the industry has created an improved combat vehicle "Songun-915". However, the development of previously developed technology has not ceased. As recent events show, the “Chonma-216” tank has recently undergone a noticeable modernization, during which it received an updated weapon system and, probably, some new internal equipment. Obviously, such a modernization had a very positive effect on the overall firepower of the tank and on the range of combat missions solved by it.

The most interesting feature of the modernization project of the existing tank is an unusual approach to the formation of an armament complex. The base Soviet T-62 and its first modifications of the North Korean design were armed with tank guns and several machine guns. In recent years, the North Korean military and engineers began to consider such an armament complex to be insufficient, due to which the latest combat vehicles are equipped with several additional systems. As a result, the existing armament of the tank is complemented by several additional receiver systems and is enhanced by guided missiles. Due to the presence of powerful and diverse weapons, the updated tank immediately after the “premiere” received the nickname “Combine of Death” from foreign wits.

At the same time, the project did not forget about the development of anti-tank weapons of foreign countries and provided means for enhancing protection. The survivability of the Chonma-216 tank is ensured by both its own armor and mounted elements of various types. In addition, there are onboard fire extinguishing systems and collective protection against weapons mass destruction.

Regular upgrades of the base model of armored vehicles allow changing the classification of newer models. If the early "Chonma" were medium tanks, the later modifications, due to a significant increase in firepower and level of protection, can be classified as basic. There are certain reasons for doubting that even after the last modernization, the Chonma-216 can compete with modern foreign models, but even in its current form, this machine is a very interesting model with rather high characteristics.


Tank at the site. Photo Strangernn.livejournal.com


As follows from the available data, in the course of multiple modernization of the base tank of the Soviet design, the industry of the DPRK did not begin to affect and change the main features of its appearance. All projects of the Chonma family involve the construction of a classic-style combat vehicle with a front management compartment, a central combat compartment and a engine compartment in the stern. At the same time, however, over time, the protection of the hull and the tower was improved. In addition, the complete configuration of the aft engine compartment was changed. According to some reports, the latest modifications, including the Chonma-216, use diesel engines with a capacity of at least 750 hp.

Some sources claim that during one of the latest upgrades, the Chonma tanks received a combined reservation for the frontal part of the hull. Some features of these units shown in the parade of the tank "Chonma-216" suggest that it is also equipped with multi-layer protection. In addition, the frontal projection of the hull is additionally covered with large curved armored parts and a large number of box-shaped dynamic protection modules. The additional hinged blocks do not cover only small sections of armor near the towing hooks and under the lighting equipment. All measures used should lead to a noticeable increase in the level of protection in comparison with the combat vehicles of previous modifications.

The side view of the hull does not have significant additional protection. As can be seen in the available photos, the upper running gear elements are covered with simple rubber screens. Only a small portion of them in the front of the vehicle, directly behind the caterpillar's front wing, is additionally covered with two armored guards of the folding structure.

The cast tower with homogeneous armor, borrowed from a Soviet-designed tank, eventually gave way to a larger unit with a combined forehead protection. The own booking of the tower is reinforced by additional hinged blocks of complex shape. In these details, holes are provided for a coaxial machine gun and the gunner's sight. It is noteworthy that the installation of the front armor invoice led to the need to transfer the spotlight to the L-shaped brackets. With their help, the lighting device is brought to the desired height, allowing free space for the use of a coaxial machine gun. The embrasure of the latter is located directly between the supports of the searchlight.

The last tanks of the family are equipped with 125-mm smooth-bore guns, representing the North Korean version of the Soviet / Russian 2A46 cannon. This gun is equipped with an ejector and automatic loading, located inside the crew compartment. Due to the limited volumes inside the turret, a small armor case is mounted above the gun's mask, which accommodates a part of special equipment. The windows for lenses suggest that there are some optical-electronic systems and a laser range finder in this housing. Also, a movable searchlight is connected to the mask of the cannon with the help of levers and arms. On the same machine with a gun mounted rifle caliber machine gun. The latest "traditional" tank weapons are two blocks of smoke grenade launchers on the sides of the turret, each containing four barrels.


General view of the upgraded car. Photo Imp-navigator.livejournal.com


Probably, the North Korean command considered the existing firepower insufficient, resulting in a modernized tank received a number of new systems. Of greatest interest is the multifunctional gun mount mounted on the left hatch of the tower. It is thanks to her that the tank gets the opportunity to more effectively deal with the manpower of the enemy, as well as to attack protected targets at increased distances, outside the zone of responsibility of the main gun.

Directly on the support ring of the tower is placed a turntable, characterized by a large width and complex shape. Mounted on the left side of the platform are the mountings for the anti-tank missile launcher. Installation is made in the form of a light frame with fasteners for two transport-launch containers. The frame has a curved armor shield and can swing in a vertical plane. Pre-guidance control is carried out using remote-controlled drives. According to various sources, this installation is intended for use of anti-tank missiles such as "Pulse-3". Apparently, the ammunition complex consists of only two missiles: the possibility of placing additional ammunition in the fighting compartment is questionable.

On the right on a rotating platform is a twin installation of automatic grenade launchers. Its foundation was a support with horizontal and vertical elements. The first are intended for the installation of ammunition drawers, the second - for mounting weapons. It is proposed to use two automatic grenade launchers in caliber, presumably 30 mm, equipped with general guidance tools. Weapon ammunition is carried out using ribbons placed in two boxes, additionally covered with armor plates. In this case, the supply of grenades to weapons is carried out from different sides, which made it possible to optimize the layout of the installation.

Automatic grenade launchers or a machine gun can be used to attack various targets, including air ones, but in this case their effectiveness will be extremely small. As a primary means of combating aviation the enemy, the upgraded Chonma-216 tank received a launcher for anti-aircraft missiles. In the aft part of the starboard side of the tower, a box-shaped support is mounted on which a rotary device with fastenings for a lifting boom is placed. At the top of the latter is a rocking installation with the ability to install two portable anti-aircraft missile systems HT-16PGJ. TPK missiles are covered with light armor. Directly above them is a small casing with a camera for guidance during startup.


Tower close up. Photo Imp-navigator.livejournal.com


Earlier it was reported that the last tanks of the Chonma family are equipped with a fairly advanced and perfect fire control system. In its composition are used modern digital devices, as well as optical and thermal imaging systems, allowing tank crews to work at any time of the day and regardless of weather conditions. In addition, the Chonma-216 tank is equipped with a set of weather sensors, with which data is collected to correctly calculate the corrections.

The available materials show that the updated Chonma-216 armored vehicle carries a rather interesting set of weapons monitoring and guidance tools. So, one of the blocks of opto-electronic equipment is placed directly above the gun mask. To the left of the gun is a window for a telescopic sight. On the right hatch of the tower is placed a large casing of the periscopic device, probably providing a circular view. A separate camera is available on the remotely controlled MANPADS installation. On both sides of the tower on the removed supports there are low columns of unclear purpose. The characteristic glazing on these parts suggests that they contain additional video cameras to track the side hemispheres.

It can be assumed that there are several liquid-crystal monitors at workplaces inside the tower for outputting the video signal from numerous cameras and other devices. In addition, the commander and gunner must have the consoles necessary to control the gun and coaxial machine gun, anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, as well as automatic grenade launchers. However, there is reason to believe that the firing of grenade launchers should be carried out without the use of remote control: the used twin installation simply does not have any mechanical drives.

The crew of the updated combat vehicle consists of three people: the driver, the commander and the gunner. The first is located inside the case, in its own department of management. At his disposal there is a hatchway with a diverting lid and a set of periscopes. The commander and gunner are in the tower and fall into place with the help of hatches in its roof. In this case, one of the tankers during landing must be careful not to hurt the additional rocket and grenade launchers.

The tactical and technical characteristics of the upgraded main tank “Chonma-216” remain secret. It can be assumed that in its dimensions it, in general, corresponds to the previous technique of the family and the basic Soviet T-62. The combat mass could reach the level of 40-45 t. The only passage through the square during the parade does not allow us to estimate the dynamic characteristics of the tank, not to mention the maximum mobility parameters. Apparently, on the highway, the tank is capable of reaching speeds of the order of 50-60 km / h and overcome various obstacles, including water obstacles.


Tanks "Chonma-216" go to the area named. Kim Il Sung. Broadcast frame


The newest upgraded version of the medium / main tank “Chonma-216” is of great interest, at least from the point of view of technology and original ideas underlying the project. The active development of tanks continues to this day, but radically new ideas and solutions have not appeared for quite some time. In particular, for several decades, methods of a radical modernization of the armament complex have not been proposed. North Korean specialists, in turn, have developed a very interesting version of the armament of the existing combat vehicle.

In addition to the standard cannon and machine gun, the upgraded tank from the DPRK received two twin automatic grenade launchers and two missile complexes for various purposes. Due to this, the combat vehicle is capable of attacking enemy tanks and armored vehicles at long distances with missiles or the main weapon. In addition, it has a certain potential in the fight against enemy aircraft. As for the destruction of manpower or unprotected enemy equipment, it can be carried out using three types of barreled weapons - depending on the current situation and various factors.

If you compare the upgraded tank with the previous machines of your family, then the advantages in the form of enhanced protection, more advanced weapons and newer means of observation, fire control, etc. become obvious. At the same time, the continuity of the structures leads to the fact that the “Chonma-216” has some common features with a number of predecessors.

From the point of view of the breadth of the range of combat tasks to be solved, the updated tank Chonma-216 has no competitors among foreign vehicles. This, in particular, provides certain advantages of an organizational and tactical nature. In particular, it can be assumed that the formations that are armed with such armored vehicles, have the opportunity to reduce the number of required self-propelled anti-aircraft installations, carrying out their protection from air attack.


Cars go past the rostrum of the DPRK leadership. Broadcast frame


Nevertheless, the most interesting combat armored vehicle is not devoid of several serious flaws, in one way or another reducing its real potential. Perhaps the main drawback of the updated tank is an obsolete platform. The medium tank T-62 was developed by Soviet specialists in the late fifties, and at the beginning of the next decade went into series. It had a number of major differences from its predecessors, but all its advantages were soon offset by the further development of armored vehicles. DPRK industry mastered the production of licensed T-62 after this machine had lost all its positive features.

Further modernization of the outdated tank, including the use of developments on the T-72 tank, made it possible to raise some of its characteristics to a certain extent. However, some parts and assemblies remain unchanged, which has corresponding negative consequences. The use of ready-made components and assemblies imposes certain restrictions on the development of technology, and also does not allow the use of new components with relative simplicity. In particular, it was for these reasons that the tanks shown in the parade could receive overhead booking details on top of the tower’s forehead. The use of the finished dome also led to the need to install additional supports for auxiliary weapons and viewing devices.

Another serious problem of the project lies in the unsuccessful combination of the number of transported weapons and crew. Thanks to the automatic loader, it was possible to reduce the crew to three people, which, however, leads to an increased load on the tank crews. Under the conditions of a real battle, “towers” ​​will have to control five types of weapons of various types and purposes at once. For example, the commander and the gunner, having a large number of various devices, are now invited to monitor not only the situation on the ground, but also the air situation. Indeed, the Chonma-216 tank has the ability to independently attack enemy aircraft or helicopters, but the absence of individual air defense machines in the compound can significantly complicate the work of the tank crews. A similar claim can be made to the use of the other components of the updated weapons complex.

In general, the upgraded version of the medium-main tank Chonma-216 presented at the recent parade is a serious step forward for the North Korean defense industry. This combat vehicle looks favorably against the background of its predecessors, and also embodies the original ideas and demonstrates the ability of the DPRK to continue the development of armored vehicles. At the same time, the lack of truly modern platforms and the specifics of the proposed technical appearance lead to some negative consequences.

North Korea has traditionally not been in a hurry to disclose details of its latest developments, nor does it specify the specifics of their production and operation. As a result, at the moment one can only study fragmentary data and make predictions about the future of promising technology. The real assessment of North Korean tanks, including the upgraded Chonma-216 armored vehicles, is possible only as a result of real combat operations. However, obtaining detailed information about the tank is not worth such sacrifices. I would like to hope that the renewed tank “Chonma-216”, as well as its predecessors, will symbolize the DPRK combat power only at parades in the future.


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  1. +2
    April 19 2017 06: 47
    this is layba ...
    1. +12
      April 19 2017 07: 20
      Quote: cariperpaint
      this is layba ...

      More "barge" reminds, overloaded with weapons, it is impossible. I'd love to see how the crew copes with all this stuff. And if the tank is not equipped with an on-board command information system, then all this is meaningless. Since his commander can’t even see many goals, I’m not even saying that he will decide what kind of weapon to use
    2. +6
      April 19 2017 08: 42
      DZ is not visible. Or I didn’t make out. So, by the look of the tank model 70's, 80's. There are no chances against the South Koreans.
      1. +9
        April 19 2017 09: 08

        Dynamic armor is. A machine for fighting in a very rugged mountainous terrain (Korea), fighting in a city with the complete domination of the enemy in the air.
        In the absence of a stamp, we write in simple ... The main task is to support our infantry and inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy. There are no illusions about victory.
        1. +15
          April 19 2017 11: 21
          It is repeated many times that the Chonma-216 tank is made on the basis of the T-62. But Chonma has a 6-roller chassis (for T-62 - five), an engine of 750 l / s (for -62 - 550), a 125 mm caliber gun with automatic loader (for T-62 - 115 mm, unitary ammunition, manual loading). + LMS with wind sensors, etc.
          In general, there is little left of the T-62.
          1. +4
            April 19 2017 21: 54
            The T-62 has 580 l / s. I’m not smart, I just served them.
          2. 0
            19 October 2017 06: 58
            Caterpillars ..... and a searchlight))))).
        2. +5
          April 19 2017 11: 39
          "A machine for fighting in the city, with the complete domination of the enemy in the air" In the city, this tank samopal will be smashed to smithereens as soon as it gets in there, and in the case of the enemy's dominance in the air, this miracle of technology will be completed with the help of a third-generation air-based ATGM.
      2. +12
        April 19 2017 11: 19
        Quote: xetai9977
        DZ is not visible. Or I didn’t make out. So, by the look of the tank model 70's, 80's. There are no chances against the South Koreans.

        Aha. Karabakh and Armenia are also armed with old T-72. Only the chances of this for brave Azerbaijan did not increase.
        1. +4
          April 19 2017 13: 39
          still need to be able to use the technique. head-on collisions I think will not. South has more modern weapons, both its own and NATO production. northern, old designs from the USSR and their modernization and based on them new. I think no fools. but the north has more trained and desperate special forces and intelligence. struggle with technology will be entrusted to them. hi
          1. +1
            April 20 2017 12: 00
            Quote: megavolt823
            southern has more modern weapons

            After the use of nuclear weapons, the North Koreans can go and stab the surviving with bayonet-knives.
        2. 0
          April 20 2017 13: 03
          and what kind of tanks is Azerbaijan armed with?
        3. 0
          April 20 2017 21: 41
          Hmmm speak chances
  2. +1
    April 19 2017 06: 47
    Well, these MANPADS on the tank .. I am tormented by vague doubts .... I think their effectiveness is even lower than in my hands ... well, remote control .... however, helicopters are still something like if you see and how you find out .... . and here with the planes there I think already
    1. +6
      April 19 2017 08: 31
      A couple of 81mm min with an air blast and all this crap in bounce. Shards oazorut and Ptur and MANPADS on the tank.
      1. +1
        April 19 2017 08: 45
        About that and speech
      2. +11
        April 19 2017 11: 24
        Quote: Ararat
        A couple of 81mm min with an air blast and all this crap in bounce. Shards oazorut and Ptur and MANPADS on the tank.

        If you and your mortar remained right along the axis of the advance of the tanks, then something went wrong and most likely you will end ...
        1. +17
          April 19 2017 11: 32
          I directly imagine it, mortar calculation, where the first number is a cool American Rambo Ararat , and his second number Marmalade beat off the attack of the regiment of North Korean tanks ... laughing
        2. +1
          April 19 2017 20: 15
          Well, the mortar hits one kilometer and everything is possible in a war. Tanks are made for a breakthrough and all the same they can break through.
      3. +4
        April 19 2017 13: 56
        Well, actually 82mm) And it’s hard to imagine the mortar calculation that will be so close to the enemy’s tanks. Yes, and in general it will be necessary to try to get into the tank. If his crew is so stupid to stand still for a long time. The same can be written about any optical instruments of all modern obt. And the Korean certainly lacks the observer-operator of additional weapons.
        1. 0
          April 19 2017 20: 19
          81mm is the NATO caliber. It’s difficult to get into a moving tank with a mortar, but if a shell explodes at a height of several meters, then the affected area increases significantly. Fragments from the shell will destroy the ATGM and MANPADS on the tower.
      4. +2
        April 19 2017 16: 05
        Quote: Ararat
        A couple of 81mm min with an air blast and all this crap in bounce.

        All the kamikaze were knocked back in 1945. smile So the tanks will work out standard 155 mm fragmentation with remote detonation.
        1. +1
          April 19 2017 20: 19
          Everything happens in the war, and the mountainous woodland of Korea is an idle dream for mortars of both sides.
  3. +8
    April 19 2017 07: 09
    They would still have mounted MLRS on the tank, but in fact, in this tank there is a lot of excess on the tower - one remote-controlled machine gun of 12.7 caliber would be enough. And the article is very stretched - as if the author wrote a novel
    1. +2
      April 19 2017 07: 23
      Quote: DM51
      And the article is very stretched - as if the author wrote a novel

      I agree. There are "pearls", like "buttercream oil"
      Some sources claim that during one of the most recent upgrades, the Chonma tanks received combined armor reservation on the front of the hull. Some features of these units of the Chonma-216 tank shown at the parade suggest that it is also equipped with multi-layer protection. In addition, the frontal projection of the hull is additionally covered by large armored parts of a curved shape and a large number of box-shaped modules of dynamic protection.
      I mixed everything up, I wouldn’t say that the VLD tank had intensely combined multilayer armor.
      So for the rest.
  4. +1
    April 19 2017 07: 23
    It’s not bad, of course, but how many of them are there in the troops, and if m 62 is a good tank, but outdated, let’s say frankly, it can take as much as the quality of the crew’s training, will the DPRK have enough tanks, crews, and fuel for all this, and another question is logistics?
  5. +2
    April 19 2017 08: 00
    How will tankers see the enemy aircraft while in the tank? It is simply not possible. It would be easier to put an individual behind the tower with MANPADS in their hands. So he would turn his head 360 degrees and shoot air targets. And why do we need ATGM on a tank with a 125-mm cannon? This gun itself is an ATGM. Well, as for the 30-mm grenade launchers, in my opinion, this is due to the banal lack of shells. Most likely, the Koreans themselves do not produce 125-mm rounds, so they are forced to shoot from grenade launchers. And the installation of anti-tank systems on the tank is most likely due to this.
    1. +7
      April 19 2017 08: 32
      Well, there are two options:
      1) There are no missiles through the barrel or there are very few of them. Plus, such a rocket has slightly worse performance.
      2) Functionality - an additional Metis or Fagut (whatever they have), it's quite a good help. Plus, maybe Koreans with warheads have conjured and changed it to a land mine for example. And throwing the OFS precisely at 2-3 km - this can be very valuable (for the same Syria - where the Baboons regularly beat strikes at army meetings in the field).
    2. +4
      April 19 2017 11: 12
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      Well, as for the 30-mm grenade launchers, in my opinion, this is due to the banal lack of shells.

      Don’t tell me ...
      In order to hit targets accessible by an automatic grenade launcher, a tank gun requires specialized, very, very expensive shells with air blasting over the target. And even with this, it will not be able to completely block the whole range of goals available to hypertension. AG, after all, can throw grenades in the "mortar" way.
      1. +1
        April 19 2017 11: 21
        Quote: Spade
        In order to hit targets accessible by an automatic grenade launcher, a tank gun requires specialized, very, very expensive shells with air blasting over the target

        laughing And to strike with a 125-mm shell weighing 23 kg, even if it was a simple RP without any bells and whistles, is it not many times more effective than firing 30-mm grenades that can not destroy even a light shelter? Moreover, I doubt very much that the Koreans have grenades with an air blast over the target. This is the first. And secondly, it is unlikely that the tank crew will have time to tinker with calculations for hitting a target with indirect fire. In addition, tankers are primarily tankers, not universal soldiers, capable of hitting the enemy from closed positions. Why then is infantry escort necessary for the tank?
        1. +5
          April 19 2017 13: 14
          Quote: Comrade_Stalin
          And to hit a 125-mm shell with a weight of 23 kg, even if it’s a simple RP without any bells and whistles, is not many times more effective than firing 30-mm grenades

          And if the enemy is behind cover, for example, at home? AG will get it right away. But the 125-mm gun while HE shells will destroy this house, the enemy will be in a different place for a long time ...

          On the "Merkavas" generally a 60-mm mortar stands ...
          1. +1
            April 19 2017 13: 27
            Quote: Spade
            And if the enemy is behind cover, for example, at home? AH get it right away

            I just can’t imagine how a 30-mm grenade launcher can get an enemy who hid, well, even if not behind a 9-story building, but at least a 5-story building. If the enemy hid behind the house, then you need to go around it. Better yet, let the infantry go forward to the house under the guise of a tank gun and machine gun, and smoke the enemy.
            And the example of the Israelis is not indicative. They are fighting against the weakly armed and equally weakly wielding Arabs. The same Merkava which only costs. It is imprisoned only for action in the desert and against the Arabs.
            1. +5
              April 19 2017 14: 15
              Quote: Comrade_Stalin
              I just can’t imagine how a 30-mm grenade launcher can get an enemy who hid, well, even if not behind a 9-story building, but at least a 5-story building.

              At the maximum tabular elevation angle, the AGS-17 fires at 1000 meters. The height of the trajectory is 905 meters, and the angle of incidence is 79 degrees.

              That is, if the height of the nine-story building is 27 meters, then grenades, flying over the house, will fall roughly 6 meters from the wall of the house
              1. +1
                April 19 2017 15: 47
                What about the wind? What about the pressure? What about the temperature? And the humidity? All these meteorological elements that the gunners take into account when firing at almost maximum range and at such a steep angle? Do you seriously think that tankers will consider all this, look at the tables, set the level, etc.? I am already silent about the need to determine the latitude of the terrain and take into account the deflecting force of rotation of the Earth. You can of course install the program in the on-board computer of the tank, which will take it all. But who will give the data of the wind speed and direction parameters? How will they determine? Will they attach a mast with anemorumbometer on the tank?
                1. +3
                  April 19 2017 16: 09
                  Do you think that the firing conditions do not affect the 125-mm shell?

                  Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                  I am already silent about the need to determine the latitude of the terrain and take into account the deflecting force of rotation of the Earth.

                  There are no corrections in the shooting table. Therefore, the deviation is so slight that it can be ignored.

                  Will they attach a mast with anemorumbometer on the tank?

                  Sighting
                  1. +1
                    April 19 2017 16: 19
                    Oh my God! Well, how can you compare the effect of wind on a 23-kg projectile flying at a speed of 900 m / s and flying 1000 m to a home in just over one second of time, and a 300-gram grenade at a speed of 150 m / s, which will fly for about 10 seconds ?
                    Quote: Spade
                    Sighting

                    So you yourself, according to your set conditions, shoot at the enemy BEYOND the house. How can you carry out a sighting if no hits are visible? Moreover, the gap of 300-g grenades is completely insignificant, you can not notice it in the open.
                    1. +2
                      April 19 2017 16: 55
                      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                      which will fly for about 10 seconds?

                      29 seconds

                      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
                      So you yourself, according to your set conditions, shoot at the enemy BEYOND the house. How can you carry out a sighting if no hits are visible?

                      On the facade of the house. Reducing the scope. As soon as the flights appear, the enemy will be fine.
                      1. +3
                        April 19 2017 19: 40
                        I think an automatic grenade launcher in the city may be needed to eliminate the firing points on the upper floors. The main weapon to not get there, with machine guns - there is a chance, but not really. And with a grenade launcher he threw out the window, an explosion inside the room - and there are no problems.
          2. +1
            April 20 2017 12: 04
            Quote: Spade
            And if the enemy is behind cover, for example, at home?

            But the Koreans do not only produce tanks?
      2. 0
        April 20 2017 13: 06
        you write that the reason is behind and therefore the granotomes have fastened
    3. 0
      April 20 2017 14: 26
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      And why do we need ATGM on a tank with a 125-mm cannon?

      Then why do we need pts on all Soviet tanks starting with t-64 and even modernizations of t-55 and t-62.
      It’s just that Koreans apparently couldn’t make the petur launched through the barrel.
      Well, if in simpler terms, the gun hits 2.5-3.5km maximum, the petur flies further than 5km. In addition, there are doubts about the ability of Korean guns and shells to hit modern enemy tanks. Therefore, they decided to bet on Petr. Whether it was necessary to do another question.
      Quote: Comrade_Stalin
      Well, as for the 30-mm grenade launchers, in my opinion, this is due to the banal lack of shells.

      Most likely this is a compensation for the weak armament of the infantry. Which are tight with bmp. In general, this is a banal gigantomania. They used to put a 14.7mm zpu on the tank. I wonder how in battle the stunted Koreans will move this tower. Electric drives are not visible there.
  6. +3
    April 19 2017 08: 49
    But in general .. obsolete equipment, whatever one may say .. yes, and the same armor thickness will break through from the usual "agglomerates" even into the forehead .... modernization is modern but this canopy on the cart is not different ...
  7. +5
    April 19 2017 10: 20
    if you put a saddle on a cow .. then it will not become a horse .. a tank of the last century, and nothing more.
  8. 0
    April 19 2017 10: 54
    Quote: Marmalade
    Well, these MANPADS on the tank .. I am tormented by vague doubts .... I think their effectiveness is even lower than in my hands ... well, remote control .... however, helicopters are still something like if you see and how you find out .... . and here with the planes there I think already

    Why then is no one indignant?
    1. +1
      April 19 2017 16: 17
      Learn materiel .. you have a photo ptrk ... and there pzrk ..... you know the difference, let's talk
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        0
        April 19 2017 17: 22
        Quote: Marmalade
        and there pzrk .....

        , and on the right side of the tower, that
  9. UVB
    +1
    April 19 2017 10: 58
    Judging by the photo, the chassis was redesigned, unlike the T-62, the Korean has 6 rollers on board.
  10. +7
    April 19 2017 12: 03
    People, you did not live in the USSR!
    Remember what a Parade is. This is a demonstration of power to a potential adversary. For the sake of such an event, it was possible to hang shit on equipment and not such shit. I suppose all this additional weaponry is a sham.
    1. Cat
      +2
      April 19 2017 13: 10
      The wave has already gone!
      Another day or two, the brave American soldiers will agree to go into battle only with a bat to repel 30mm grenades! laughing
      Interestingly, and the Japanese military will ask for tennis shoes from Sharapova! ??? lol
  11. 0
    April 19 2017 12: 07
    I wonder how many Koreans will pull such cars?
  12. +5
    April 19 2017 12: 29
    Of course, many experts can criticize this model of the Korean Armed Forces for the old platform, the lack of modern armor and protective equipment, etc., but whoever says anything, we must pay tribute to the Koreans, at least for the fact that, firstly, with such miserable technical opportunities can be said alone, in isolation, made such a machine, and secondly and most importantly, their military engineers were able to well feel the nature of the upcoming warriors and identify advanced trends in the development of armored vehicles in the future, classic cannon tank slowly disappearing, giving way to his place on the field of battle like this, "kombain" an option that offers clever Koreans. If Armata or Abrams had in their arsenal similar and technologically advanced weapons, coupled with modern surveillance tools, high-speed computer-based processing of incoming information and an automated fire control system, which allows, without direct crew participation, to observe the battlefield , detect, recognize, various kinds of the enemy, determine the type of weapons used, self-defeat, where the human operator is assigned the role of an observer, to NTroler, then such cars would become a new breakthrough in the armored world, would practically become land cruisers and destroyers, armor of knights on anyone! battlefield ... The main essence of which is reduced to multifunctionality and simultaneous use of weapons. To author +
    https://topwar.ru/39776-koncepciya-karagach.html
  13. Cat
    +5
    April 19 2017 13: 02
    Quote: LostCoast
    I directly imagine it, mortar calculation, where the first number is a cool American Rambo Ararat , and his second number Marmalade beat off the attack of the regiment of North Korean tanks ... laughing

    Smiled !!!
    I think if they dream of this as a sinner, then they may not be in time for the "needy".
    Now seriously "Korean" deep modernization of the T-62. Elongated (6 rink) running gear, other armor, engine 750l / s, 125mm gun. In fact, maximum modernization with minimal investment. Redundant secondary weapons! So what? The crew will feel themselves more calmly and that is a plus.
    Especially in the mountainous and rough terrain, he has a chance to fend off a helicopter. And if there are several more tanks, it is still unknown who will be the hunter, and who will be the game. It's not in the desert chasing the Bedouins. The principle of the classic ambush has not yet been canceled.
    In addition, the presence of grenade launchers will support their infantry, this is not a rifle caliber machine gun. Against a mortar of 81mm caliber, just in topic!
    1. +5
      April 19 2017 17: 46
      Quote: Kotischa
      In fact, maximum modernization with minimal investment.

      In your opinion, lengthening the hull of the tank is the minimum investment? The tank for this must be cut, perhaps even in a couple of places. What will happen to the tank at least slightly? Everything will lead in such a way that together it will never stick together .. The thin upper roof of the tank and the shoulder straps of the tower will suffer especially, and it is fun and expensive and not fast to draw planes by surfacing and subsequent machining (of course, you can equip a thousand Koreans with a sandpaper, but they are so much skin spend and eat rice). A note not only to you, but to all lovers of the cheap addition to the tank of a couple of extra rollers.
      Regarding the chitroseum design described by the author, the mounting of brackets for additional weapons on some frame farm that rotates independently on the pursuit of the tower. Here, the esteemed author, for sure, became a victim of Korean desa. Such shit does not overtake the barrel of the gun and any elevations at the rear of the turret, and at any time can block the overview of the main sights. Therefore, both grenade launchers and ATGMs are uniquely rigidly attached to the tower and shoot only the mounds, where she looks.
      The anti-aircraft missiles on the shelf delight especially! They already do not allow the main gun to work (it will sweep them away when the tower rotates at any position of the telescope of the mount bracket, nobody canceled the parameter of the angle of obturation at the tank, even the great grandson of the terrible Kim).
      In a tower of a tank of a similar type equipped with an AZ there is no place to place control equipment for such diverse weapons. It is already very crowded in it (even to a Korean).
      To summarize. The tank is very unlikely to be a T-62 clone (most likely ours or Chinese T-72 due to an extra pair of rollers and a 125 mm gun). All rearmament is a ceremonial props, which in reality has no meaning. North Korea simply has a decent fleet of T-62 tanks. And she decided to bluff ...
      By the way, why do you think that in a mountainous and rough terrain a helicopter is an easy target?
      1. Cat
        +1
        April 19 2017 19: 39
        If you teach a helicopter to see the back of a mountain, then it will cease to be an easy target! It should be remembered that the slopes of the mountains are covered with forest.
        The UralVagonZavod in the 60s offered the option of upgrading the T-62 with a 6-roller running gear and a 125mm smoothbore gun with an automatic loader. The project was hacked. In order to please Morozov with T-64 and Omsk, the morally obsolete T-80s riveted a decade before the beginning of the 55s.
        The sixth rink to the T-55 was added by Romanians with TR, the Chinese are worse than the Koreans?
        1. 0
          April 20 2017 18: 57
          Quote: Kotischa
          If you teach a helicopter to see the back of a mountain, then it will cease to be an easy target!

          Helicopters have owned this for a very long time. For this, the helicopter needs a target designator. At first, the front helicopter from the group, detecting targets, acted as one. Now various UAVs or ground reconnaissance aircraft have been trained in this.
          A little history, Near the hometown there is a very extensive military training ground at which various types of weapons are tested (and international expo-arm exhibitions were held for a long time). The zone is closed due to the danger of being in the area of ​​fire. A hundred (if not more) kilometers of thorns in the taiga, military patrols. For some reason there were legends that the best mushrooms and berries were in the zone, because they cut the thorn and confidently trampled the landfill for everyone who was not lazy. We in barefoot childhood were more interested in legends about piles of weapons in the forest (there were a lot of equipment as targets, but then we didn’t row the scrap metal, but we naturally didn’t throw the gunner there). Once, while traveling around the zone, I was lucky enough to get under real shelling by a helicopter link. Glade with one and a half hectares, on it are the remains of armored vehicles and aircraft. Clear day, warm, light. The first helicopter emerged from behind the forest and after a second or two disappeared from view, slightly stunning. Two more sprang up right there and hit the rockets. Four missiles - three targets hit (the closest thirty meters from us). Immediately disappeared beyond the edge of the forest. Many years have passed since then, the drive still remains. Glory to the occasion that none of the five of us was injured then. I was not infected by helicopter fear, However, I pose a real danger posed by the half-separation of combat helicopters in a combat raid (and helicopter rotors are hit more often from ambushes when helicopters take the wounded, etc.).
          A six-roller with a new gun T-62 offered UVZ. That is, he proposed to produce such machines from scratch (rather than redo existing ones). Subsequently, this "modification of the T-62" became the T-72 ...
          1. Cat
            0
            April 20 2017 19: 35
            T-72 is a mobilization version of the T-64!
            T-62 with a six-pack part hacked Ustinov. The elemental base of the latter partially anticipated the "72", but it is a different tank.
            "172" incorporated a lot from its predecessors, but there was no simple mechanical evolution, the T-64 and T-64 were too different.
            Among the Chinese, it can be traced more clearly, especially the modernization of 69 to 80 and 85.
  14. +2
    April 19 2017 13: 52
    From the point of view of combat abilities - this is a tank of the beginning of the 80s with unpleasant stray for the tank. From the point of view of raising morale among the population in the midst of another quarrel with the United States - it will pull. They need to throw the idea of ​​a multi-tower monster. In front of the Great Patriotic War, T-35 rode in parades on Red Square, frightening its own population with 5 towers of the most diverse caliber. In a real war, they could not survive one real battle.
  15. +1
    April 19 2017 14: 59
    We must compare the weapons in the complex, and the tactics of warfare ... There will be no tank duels as such. Therefore, it makes no sense to compare.
    1. +1
      April 19 2017 22: 46
      Quote: Cycle Boss
      We must compare the weapons in the complex, and the tactics of warfare ... There will be no tank duels as such. Therefore, it makes no sense to compare.

      If there are tanks, then in any way there will be tank duels, because they will definitely meet. Can you call me at least one conflict with the use of tanks by both sides and without tank battles? And in order to be called modern, the tank should be able to guaranteedly destroy the enemy’s modern tank in the forehead with the first shot. IMHO, tanks are designed to destroy the enemy’s ground forces.
  16. +2
    April 19 2017 18: 01
    Ladies, Kim’s affairs are bad if the main highlight of the army is the artificially finished T62M with Brezhnev’s eyebrows. All hope for missiles ...
    1. +3
      April 19 2017 19: 24
      The photo shows not the DPRK’s regular army, but militias, such as local collective farmers in the parade. In general, you can put a dozen T-72s for Koreans and let them rivet new tanks on their basis. laughing
    2. 0
      April 22 2017 23: 06
      Korean “Tornado” based on a wheeled tractor terrifies the enemy only with its appearance.
  17. +1
    April 19 2017 18: 37
    GLORY DPRK !!!! soldier
  18. +1
    April 19 2017 20: 35
    Quote: TIT
    Quote: Marmalade
    and there pzrk .....

    , and on the right side of the tower, that

    He doesn’t care. The main phrase * learn the mat part *
  19. +4
    April 19 2017 22: 11
    I don’t understand one thing, where are they going to shoot the cartridge case? In the T-62, it is clear that the hatch opened, the sleeve flew out, you can generally turn off the ejection machine, loading the sleeve back into the ammunition hangs. And here - where to throw it away? There are so many lubudas hung from behind that there is simply no space left for the hatch. In general, there was a persistent association with the hero of the "Mask"
    1. +1
      April 19 2017 22: 28
      There 125mm with a partially-burning sleeve, only the steel pallet remains with the GUV. But what's next with the pallet is a riddle. Or it is thrown away, like the T-72 or the empty tray, like the T-64 and T-80. It is unknown.
      1. 0
        April 19 2017 22: 44
        Something, it is doubtful to me that 125mm ...
        1. +1
          April 19 2017 22: 48
          Do not hesitate. Read the article more closely. ... "The last tanks of the family are equipped with 125 mm smoothbore guns, which are the North Korean version of the Soviet / Russian 2A46 gun"
          1. +2
            April 20 2017 00: 48
            Something this gun doesn’t look like a 2A46 at all - it's a 115 mm standard gun for the T 62.
            1. +1
              April 20 2017 01: 18
              The article writes that there is 125mm. In general, when a gun without a casing, it is difficult to distinguish from 2A46 from photograph 2A20.
  20. +2
    April 20 2017 08: 09
    Quote: LostCoast
    Quote: xetai9977
    DZ is not visible. Or I didn’t make out. So, by the look of the tank model 70's, 80's. There are no chances against the South Koreans.

    Aha. Karabakh and Armenia are also armed with old T-72. Only the chances of this for brave Azerbaijan did not increase.

    Well, I would not say that. Remember last April ...
    1. +3
      April 20 2017 08: 30
      Yeah, I remember. The Azerbaijanis rushed into the village, tried a myrrh and cut off their ears ... They killed a pair of T-72, lost MI-24 and a couple of UAVs. Loss of infantry on both sides. Stupid and militarily ineffectual massacre. War crime and genocide, in short, as usual ...
  21. 0
    April 20 2017 17: 33
    If Koreans like to hang grenade launchers on the T62, or something else.
    Beat Satan with a shovel if this Chongmu cannot be "whipped" by the good old RPG7. Here, some comrades intend to fight 81mm mortars with the Chonma, and for this case I prefer an easier RPG, and then, if necessary, comb from the Akshka
  22. +1
    April 20 2017 17: 39
    Quote: albert
    The photo shows not the DPRK’s regular army, but militias, such as local collective farmers in the parade. In general, you can put a dozen T-72s for Koreans and let them rivet new tanks on their basis. laughing

    Collective farmers IMHO like a cow saddle
  23. 0
    April 20 2017 20: 57
    Quote: KaPToC
    After the use of nuclear weapons, the North Koreans can go and stab the surviving with bayonet-knives.

    And after nuclear attack on the neighbors, will no one use them? Maybe before writing, is it better to think first?
  24. +3
    April 20 2017 21: 17
    Chonma-216 sounds like G - but 216. and what are his chances? !!!!! in a war where the richness of anti-tank weapons is simply unimaginable. It remains to be hoped that in the near future in Pyongyang, KİA and Hyundai will drive around and LG and Samsung billboards will glow. In a word, I wish the bloodless connection of the two Koreas
  25. 0
    April 25 2017 01: 08
    [quote = xetai9977] DZ is not visible. Or I didn’t make out. So, by the look of the tank model of the 70s, 80s. No chance against the South Koreans. [/ Quote
    And what about southerners tanks magic?
  26. 0
    April 25 2017 01: 16
    Comrades from Azerbaijan! Why are you so well? Where are you and where is the DPRK.
    Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
    Hmmm speak chances

    Well, this production video has been played many times laughing
  27. 0
    April 25 2017 01: 22
    I propose that the Azerbaijani army be the first to send into battle the positions of the North Koreans. Ahead Aliyev on the tank.
  28. 0
    April 25 2017 01: 29
    Well done northerners. They make a decent technique. Let's hope that the southerners are bent and sang everyones there in full.
  29. 0
    April 25 2017 01: 33
    Quote: albert
    The photo shows not the DPRK’s regular army, but militias, such as local collective farmers in the parade. In general, you can put a dozen T-72s for Koreans and let them rivet new tanks on their basis. laughing

    Why are you laughing? In Russia, how many normal tanks? Where are your Armats? No and not foreseen.
  30. 0
    April 25 2017 01: 39
    I do not understand some Russian commentators. Laughing at the DPRK technique. Why laugh? Need to cry.
    Do you know that Russia is buying CNC machines from the DPRK? Where are your machines?
  31. 0
    14 March 2018 12: 11
    I have no doubt that the South Koreans technically have more advanced technology than the North Koreans. But I’m sure that the North Koreans are stronger in spirit and their tankers have the best training and motivation. In addition, in order to cause unacceptable damage to the South Koreans, with their very high sensitivity to losses, you do not need anything at all except the armada of the antediluvian artillery, which the northerners have piled up! In addition, the military doctrine of the northerners is based on an active guerrilla and sabotage war, also do not forget about the 100 thousand North Korean special forces, as well as the general military charge of the northerners and the created engineering fortifications.

    In general, I wish the Koreans the unification and joint sending of the USA to! ;)