An army that prefers death to captivity

Now, when the actions of the new American president are reminiscent of the actions of a child who first got into a modern game store, when the United States almost every day changes positions on certain issues of international politics, more and more often you can see analytical articles, polls, predictions of further developments. Will the Americans risk hitting North Korea? What are the chances of the parties in the event of such a blow? Many questions and answers. But, paradoxically, both questions and answers only confuse readers.

I am always struck by our willingness to accept the point of view of other people. Just because "everyone thinks so." Agree, most of us, without thinking, when assessing the situation, they begin to count the number of missiles tanks, aircraft and other weapons. Compare performance characteristics of equipment and weapons. Just because our head clearly laid a simple, but true, thought. Who is more modern weapons, he will win.

And most importantly, we completely forget about our own stories and own examples. We forgot about Panfilov ... We forgot about the militia near Moscow. We forgot about Leningrad ... That you can kill a person. But to kill the people, his army, his soul is impossible ... For some reason, we decided that only our prerogative was to die.

We decided that the Japanese kamikazes had disappeared. We decided that “Brandenburg-800” had no heirs left. We decided that the war solves the technique! Someone argue? It's true!

In order to clarify the situation at the moment, I decided to tell you about the North Korean army. And to tell at a level that only journalism can afford, which “can afford”. Immediately apologize for the fact that the information that I will present, most often from foreign sources. North Korea is a complicated country. A country that has forgotten how to believe. And ... a winning country. All that can be classified is classified.

One of my close friends, from those who do not particularly care about the "linearity" of their language, "chopped off" me on the move ... "Breaking off to the tops? Temko taking a knowingly winning one" ... No. I always take themes and take only those that are interesting to my readers. That is why at the beginning of my articles I often quote friends-readers. Today you are Trump. It is this information that tells the American president about the potential of the Korean army.

So, the first thing that a not very literate western man faces is the problem of finding the Korean Peninsula on the world map. Where is this peninsula?

But the fun begins further. Such a small, almost imperceptible pimples on the Asian continent? Moreover, half is already ours ... There remains a perfect "microbe". And all the power of the American army broke her teeth there half a century ago? Can not be. The Western world can destroy this microbe with one sneeze ...

Only in life it turns out differently ... A small imperceptible microbe can create big problems for a large, highly organized living organism ... It can simply kill this organism. That's about it and talk.

I'll start with the simplest and most unexpected information. The army of North Korea possesses the 5 army in the world at the moment. Stronger, and only in terms of the parameters about which I wrote at the beginning of the article, only China, Russia, the USA and India. Strange? Not at all. I will now try to explain the origins of this situation. Two examples are enough for this. Examples that are intended to show not only the sources of the power of the North Korean army, but also the sources of our attitude towards Koreans in general.

15 March 1946 for the first time the Korean people celebrated their national holiday - the 27 anniversary of the anti-Japanese movement. Crowds of Koreans went to the central square of Pyongyang to take part in a demonstration. The city is decorated not only with Korean, but also with Soviet flags.

On the government platform, Chairman of the Provisional People's Committee, Kim Il Sung, members of the government and a member of the Military Council of the USSR 25 Army, Lieutenant-General Lebedev. And, as is customary to write in official reports, accompanying persons.

The demonstration went on as usual. Crowds of Koreans flowed across the square festive river. Played music. And suddenly ... From the crowd of demonstrators, a grenade flew to the government platform. One of the participants in the student column with 10-15 meters threw a grenade right under Kim Il Sung's feet.

Soviet junior lieutenant Yakov Novichenko was saved from the death of the Korean leader. Sibiryak, past the crucible of the Second World War, instantly assessed the situation and made the only correct decision. He caught a grenade in flight and covered it with his body. Except Novichenko himself, no one was hurt.

This was somehow not customary to talk about before. Made a man feat - and what? He is an officer. This is probably correct. But over time, such feats are forgotten. And Yakov Novichenko did not die. He was saved ... Port Arthur! Not the port we remember. The officer was saved by the book by Alexander Stepanov "Port Arthur", released in 1944 year. It was this book that the junior lieutenant read before the demonstration. And it is this book that he, by the old Soviet boyish habit, hid under a belt. A torn right arm, an injured eye, multiple injuries to the feet, chest injuries, numerous injuries throughout almost the whole body ... But the thick book did not allow the fragments to hit the internal organs (http://www.sovsibir.ru/news/163446).

It was the first of many attempts on Kim Il Sung ...

The second episode from the history of North Korea is related to Pyongyang Seoul's otvetku. 21 January 1968 of the year. Seoul The residence of the President of South Korea Chonvade. At the beginning of the eleventh, the police noticed a group of soldiers in the form of a ROKA (Republik of Koreas Army). Naturally, the police decided to check out the outgoing military ...

A routine check turned into hell. "Soldiers" responded with heavy fire. During the shootout, the police managed to destroy the 5-x and take one alive (https://rg.ru/2013/01/24/inzident-site.html). However, the police could not interrogate the prisoner. Right before the eyes of the escorts, he committed suicide ... I do not want to write in detail, but suicide was cruel ...

A large-scale counter-sabotage operation began. From January 21 to February 3, the North Korean 28 Special Forces were destroyed. None of the North Korean 124 military personnel surrendered. Two returned back ... The loss of the South Koreans was 140 people. About half of them killed ...

Many readers from those interested in the armies of the world, after becoming acquainted with the North Korean army, were in some kind of stupor. The army, which is armed at the level of 70-80-ies of the last century, the army, whose component parts are more suitable for the museum than for battle, inspires respect. And the most interesting, experts understand that this is a strong army.

The population of North Korea is just 25-26 million people. No accurate data. However, there are other data. The army of the DPRK is approximately 5% of the total population. These are those who are currently on active duty. In addition, another 25-30% of Koreans are in the service in the militias. From here it is not difficult to calculate the combat strength for the initial period of the war.

According to American data, the DPRK army today is about 1150000-1250000 people. The reserve that the DPRK will be able to collect in the first days after the outbreak of hostilities is approximately 8-8,2 million people. As many more during the first 3-5 days ...

But there are other data. 99% of Koreans served in the armed forces and make up the reserve army of the DPRK. Even veterans will stand in line in the event of the start of real hostilities. In almost any Korean city, you can read the national motto or national idea: “The army is in the first place!”

Consider the Korean army more closely. I must say that the figures that will be given in the article are rather relative. Closeness of the country does not contribute to the good work of intelligence of the enemy.

Ground troops.

Unlike most armies in the world, North Korea adheres to the traditional views on the war. The command continues to believe (in my opinion, quite reasonably) that the main force of the army, those who captured the territory, repel enemy attacks, serve "on the ground." In the land forces. It is the infantry that ultimately determines the outcome of the war.

Today in the DPRK army there are, according to various sources (from and to):

Personnel: 950 thousand. - 1 million. Pers.
Tanks (different modifications) - 4200-4300 units.
Artillery guns - from 8600 to 8700 units.
Multiple launch rocket systems - from 5500 to 5600 units.

For the most part, this whole technique is outdated. These are Soviet or Chinese 50-70-s samples. Although, judging by the April 16 parade, more modern technology is emerging. Serious enough.

Particular attention should be paid to the artillery of North Korea. Paradoxically, it sounds, but it is the artillery today that can ensure the victory of the DPRK in a fight with Seoul. The fact is that the guns are located in the border areas. And they practically have the opportunity to deliver direct blows right at the capital of South Korea.

In addition, these types of guns are very difficult to destroy or somehow neutralize using modern EW tools. A traditional in such cases, air strikes or other types of fire impact can not really destroy the guns. During the confrontation, the DPRK perfectly equipped firing positions. Created a powerful system of underground structures along the line of demarcation. Underground passages, according to the same Americans, stretch almost to Seoul.

Many analysts doubt the size of the army. To maintain such an army for the economy is quite expensive. And a country that is virtually under its sanctions is simply impossible.

The answer to this paradox is simple. In addition to combat training, the army is engaged in quite peaceful affairs. Soldiers are building houses, farming, working in factories ... But they are located in areas that are close to the line of demarcation.

Navy.

The smallest part of the North Korean army. According to experts, seafarers in the DPRK only about 60 thousands of people. And the country cannot boast with the power of the ships.

430 patrol vessels.
260 amphibious ships,
20 mine ships
70 (approximately) submarines.
40 craft support.

I understand the skepticism of "sea wolves." With such fleet to fight with the Americans or the Japanese? .. And who said that the DPRK is going to fight with the Americans in the oceans? For example, take hovercraft. Yes, in a confrontation with large ships, this is not the enemy. And for the landing in South Korea? To capture the islands? Is there something better?

Similarly, the situation with the submarine fleet. Just a few submarines - multipurpose. The rest - small and ultra small classes. Submarine coastal action. And in this capacity they are simply invaluable. Especially considering the coastline and a huge number of bays and grottoes. A boat located in a bay or bay with low visibility and little noisy diesel engines poses a serious danger to the ships of the enemy.

And to ensure the normal functioning of the fleet, the DPRK has about a dozen naval bases in different parts of the country.

In general, the DPRK fleet copes today with its main tasks. Ensures sufficient coastal defense and quick troop transfer to South Korea. And the new ballistic missiles of the submarine base shown on April 16 show that the fleet has also been replenished with submarine missile carriers. Consequently, Pyongyang is serious about the attempts of Japan to dominate the region.

Air Force

Aviation North Korea is probably the weakest link in the army. Although the number looks quite acceptable.

Personnel - 110-115 thou.
Combat aircraft - more than 800.
Transport aircraft - more than 300.
Helicopters - 300.

The most modern aircraft of the DPRK are the MiG-29 (purchased in the USSR), the MiG-23 and the Su-25 ... The rest of the aircraft equipment is even older. So, our oldies An-2 are still used in transport aviation.

However, even such planes are capable of striking targets in South Korea. The fact is that most combat aircraft are located on airfields located near the border. At a distance of 100 km. Accordingly, they do not have time to quickly respond to the lightning-fast air raid of the Republic of Korea.

Air defense.

Air defense units are organizationally part of the ground forces. Or the Air Force. Therefore, it is impossible to talk about exact numbers. However, realizing that the Air Force will not be able to provide protection against enemy air raids, the North Koreans pay great attention to air defense weapons. Of the most modern in the DPRK, systems similar to C-300 are noted. But their number is rather limited. Like the C-200.

But the barrel air defense artillery is really good. There is everything. From ZSU to the most powerful anti-aircraft 100-mm gun in the world. That, in principle, will provide quite a worthy reception for uninvited “guests”. Especially attack aircraft and helicopters. DPRK leadership well studied the actions of the American army in Vietnam.

Special Forces.

The lag in most positions from the armies of the neighbors caused a special attention to these parts. The elite of the Korean army. Trained and dedicated fighters.

According to various estimates, the DPRK special forces today comprise from 180 to 200 thousand people. Most units are designed to throw into the rear of the enemy. It is operations in the rear, according to the command of the army of the DPRK, that can provide a turning point in the confrontation with a strong adversary.

The main part of the special forces - army special forces. But there are elite units. In particular, I spoke about one of these divisions at the beginning of the article. These units today, despite the truce, conduct reconnaissance and other operations in South Korea.

The question arises about how to penetrate the territory of the opposing state. Ways are traditional. Or on foot, using gaps in the line of demarcation. Or by sea. With the help of ultra-small and small submarines and hovercraft. There is also an exotic. Underground passages. According to some testimonies, in order to become a fighter of an elite special forces unit, one must necessarily visit the south.

There is another major feature of the North Korean army, which distinguishes it from the South Korean. This is the psychology of the winners. In this, Koreans are similar to us. And these are not beautiful words. The soldiers of this army organically combined the seemingly incompatible things. National traditions, a kind of ideology, features of a national character, Any Korean will tell you about the exploits of his fathers and grandfathers in the struggle against the Japanese, with the Americans, with the South Koreans.

The cult of heroes in the DPRK is everywhere. They are honored. They are glorified. Any boy wants to serve in the army and accomplish the feat in the name of the people. Women are not far behind men either. The morale of the army is so high that being captured for Korean soldiers is tantamount to shame for the whole family. Victory or death.

Perhaps that is why a small, not rich and not fully developed in the modern sense of the country could, probably, the only one in the world, successfully resist the United States and other "democratizers". She was able to preserve originality and her own originality.

Perhaps that is why the saber-rattling of the new US president is calmly perceived by Pyongyang. Koreans on their land and will not give it to anyone. And judging by Trump's confusion, the Americans also understand this. Fighting an opponent who is not going to surrender or retreat is more expensive. There will be a lot of blood coming.

At the moment, North Korea looks like a cornered cat. A cat that in such a situation turns into a tiger. And do not take it into account more expensive. For all.

Comments

[Anglorussian]

Helfaer and the tomahawk spat on morale. Yes, and pilots are not thanks to magic in the sky fly.

[crocodile25]

Quote: Anglorussian

Helfaer and the tomahawk spat on morale.

Do you seriously think that your axes W make the weather even if the mattress gets a little then South Korea and the samurai will fly if the blood is healthy, it will be unmeasured somehow.

[Anglorussian]

Do you seriously think that the battle baby doll will win?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Anglorussian

Do you seriously think that the battle baby doll will win?

Well, Hamas, after every ogrebon from Israel, yells for victory. And these will come out of the ruins and shout VICTORY, seeing the new office of Samsung

[xetai9977]

A lot of pathos! Listen to the author, so Eun has only Rambo! But who is fleeing in batches to the South through China and other countries? With a serious mess, all of these Rambos will run to surrender in the hope of moving to South Korea

[fa2998]

I agree! The army has not fought for more than half a century, even the generals are entirely in orders
They don’t know what modern war is.
And we had a huge army, and deputy politicians tens of thousands. And the tanks were unmeasured, and guns and were going to beat the enemy on its territory. As a result, 3-4 million prisoners. So you can’t call the article that way, so let's see!

[Shurik70]

Maybe a hundred or two defectors will run away.
In any system, there are those who are dissatisfied, and under a totalitarian regime, these dissatisfied can even sincerely consider themselves heroes.
So what? For 25 million people, a drop in the ocean. So defectors are not an indicator.
Throw tomahawks? One million dollars apiece. Yes, even aiming at kindergartens, there will be no victims for more than a thousand for one missile, and they will only be angry.
And these millions will go ready to die, just to kill the Enemy, in South Korea, in Japan. And off the coast of the United States and England, submarines with nuclear missiles are probably sitting now. Hope all submarines figured out? In vain.
Finally, who will guarantee that several warheads did not advance the special services in sea containers to the territory of the Enemy?
Madness to tease the opponent cornered. The enemy is trained and has nuclear weapons.

But if the United States needs a war, even with millions of victims in the United States themselves, even with the transformation of Japan and both Koreas into a radioactive desert, but just to maintain their leadership, then yes. US action is logical and consistent.

[Shurik70]

I found a DPRK video

[Plate]

The transformation of Japan and both Koreas into a radioactive desert? This, in my opinion, can be provided only by American nuclear strikes. Or some third party, but not North Korean. We haven’t accumulated so many warheads yet so that everything can be turned into a desert. In a nuclear weapon simulator, you can set the power of a warhead and easily calculate the area that will be affected by one factor or another in a calculator. You will be surprised, but even the megaton warhead will not be enough for the TOTAL destruction of Tokyo. And I’m not sure that North Korea has such a warhead for every South Korean and Japanese city (although these are just my thoughts, they may have already accumulated for South Korea). Nuclear weapons are too overrated. He is credited with more than it can.

[Shurik70]

Firstly, this simulator does not take into account such a trifle as a radioactive cloud after an explosion.
Secondly, the Americans will absolutely not care how many Japanese people died there, that from 10 kT, that from 1 mT the consequences will be the same - a nuclear strike on the DPRK. But if you detonate a bomb in Los Angeles or New York, then yes, then they will feel it. There will be a crisis. But the DPRK will be bombed again.
The DPRK understands this. So they will strike one at once and in full force, with all that they can. And the main thing for them is not the Japs with the Southerners, but the USA. After which they prepare to die.

[Plate]

In fact, the radius of the radiation propagation is shown there. If you are talking about the release of radioactive isotopes into the atmosphere, then yes, this is not there. But they are unlikely to be able to bring much destruction.
I have already expressed my doubts that the DPRK will have enough warheads to turn all of Japan into a desert. And the crisis will even come from a blow to Tokyo, even without Los Angeles. Still, Japan is the third economy in the world, a country that excels in robotics (45% of world production of robots, as far as I know). And the fact that the DPRK will be bombed at any outcome of this war, I agree.

[commbatant]

xetai9977

With a serious mess all these "Rambo" run surrender hoping to move to South Korea

Did you come to this conclusion after analyzing the course of the Korean War’s operations in 1950-1953?

[padded jacket]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, Hamas, after every ogrebon from Israel, yells for victory.

Quote: xetai9977

With a serious mess, all of these Rambos will run to surrender in the hope of moving to South Korea

Naturally, everyone has long known that the most courageous fighters are Israeli Jews and even Azerbaijani soldiers (they are also very brave) and the experience of both is huge - Israeli Jews fled from Lebanon Azerbaijanis from Nagorno-Karabakh.

[GDP]

1 - Due to the fact that the Americans could not defeat the North Koreans - North Korea then actually fought in an alliance with China and the USSR. Technologically, the North Korean army was not inferior to the Americans. Our pilots, anti-aircraft gunners and instructors served there who went through the hell of World War II with great experience! Now North Korea has practically no allies, and the technological gap is huge ...
2 - You won’t be able to defeat the Koreans with Tomahawks, but they will be able to bomb them with bombs and use limited tactical nuclear weapons.
3 - With all this - Koreans have not only those who dream of escaping to the south, but also very motivated and well-trained troops, very powerful artillery, so they will shed blood in the south - rivers. Moreover, the distances are not very significant. This is probably the main deterrent ...

[Sergey Kiryushin]

I think that now Sev. Korea is not without the help of China and Russia. Of course not to the full extent, but still. And yes, in the case of firing at least from American ships, at least from where - the South Koreans and Japanese will be the first to receive.

[wvg]

do not hope that Eun will like Gaddafi "wait for the continuation of the banquet!" 70 submarines can have a lot of interesting things for the US Navy ...

[GDP]

By the way, for the sake of interest, I post a video about the preparation of the North Korean military))

[tyr]

Quote: GDP

I post a video about the preparation of the North Korean military

In cabaret, deffs lift their legs about the same high.
Is this their "good military training"?

[commbatant]

tyr

In cabaret, deffs lift their legs about the same high.

He who wants, let him see, or remain blind ...
I advise you to watch the North Korean film "Order No. 027" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mslzh6JR5Mo

[commbatant]

Stiletto_71

Yours, love is worse

Get off for the countryside ...

[Aleks713]

Yes, yes, the European defense ministers are sitting, like girls in a brothel on the bride. "Fun girls!"

[Alexdark]

Did not impress. The feeling that you are watching the shots of the Second World War.

[tyr]

Quote: AlexDARK

The feeling that you are watching the shots of the Second World War.

Still would. The weapon is from those old times.

[pacific]

Quote: wvg

70 submarines can have a lot of interesting things for the US Navy ...

I strongly doubt that these submarines will be able to "arrange a lot of things" ..
The entire DPRK fleet is divided between two theaters - the Yellow and Japanese Seas. I don’t know the proportions. I believe that 2/3 is based on the ports of the Yellow Sea.
Further: boats are small and very small (?). As the author of the "coastal class" writes. Yes, in the straits and at the entrances to the bays they could make a rustle.
BUT!
1) For covert maneuvering during the operation of modern submarines, boats should go at a depth of about 150-200 m, but in general - the deeper the better. Let the submariners correct me if that.
Where in the immediate vicinity of the shores of North Korea are such depths? The Yellow Sea - everywhere up to 100m by modern standards, shallow. The Sea of ​​Japan is deeper, but I do not think that at least someone dares to climb into the operational zone of the Pacific Fleet.
2) What did the enemy fleet forget in the straits and bays, where they are “going to meet" submarines? I think that the American admirals take into account the experience of the Korean War, when their fleet suffered losses from mines, barely entering the territorial waters of Korea. And now even more so: airplanes and missiles - and this is hundreds of miles from the coast. Those. the fleet can "work" along the coast from the "Inland" Sea of ​​Japan (between o.Honshu and o.Kyushu).
3) Modern PLO. Hopefully, North Korean sailors know how and how to overcome it. Although it’s not easy to do this on the DPS, because any AUG is dozens of anti-submarine helicopters and aircraft. This is not counting frigates, corvettes and destroyers.
In general - sad as it may seem, the “coastal” submarines “do not play” in the modern naval warfare. However, they stopped “playing” back in WWII. Is that limited use in enclosed seas like the Black and Baltic.
It turns out that the Navy of the DPRK has 2 tactical tasks: mine operations and the landing of sabotage / reconnaissance. groups. Patrol vessels (OVR, for example) can only strengthen air defense of naval bases.
So that the fleet in a hypothetical conflict can only play a supporting role.

However, the Guards RKR "Varyag" came to visit North Korea. And this is a very effective cooling compress on the hot head of any adversary. Especially if he has aircraft carriers.

[domokl]

Quote: pacific

the fleet in a hypothetical conflict can only play a supporting role.

Everything is logical. But there is one thing. Boats are not intended for operations against enemy ships. It is doubtful that Korea possesses torpedoes or missiles capable of destroying a "serious" ship with a single hit. But the landing will receive the full ...

[tyr]

Quote: GDP

Our pilots, anti-aircraft gunners and instructors served there who went through the hell of World War II with great experience!

Yeah. And also a division of service dogs.
Do not exaggerate. There sowing. Koreans fought. And the Chinese. By the way, they had more combat experience than the Soviet military.
Soviet participation in hostilities on the Korean Peninsula was very, very limited. Almost symbolic.

Quote: GDP

Now North Korea has virtually no allies

So who wants to cultivate "socialism"? Everyone wants to live in satiety and prosperity.

Quote: GDP

and technological lag is huge ...

I wrote a little higher about the cultivation of "socialism." What could be a different outcome from this?

Quote: GDP

but they could well bombard with bombs and use limited tactical nuclear weapons.

Why should they fill up? Nuclear Weapons Development Centers Korea has long been known to them. Storage space, too. These places are the goals. A massive bombing, it smells bad.

Quote: GDP

but also very motivated

That, yes. “Zombies” such totalitarian regimes can grow well. USSR is an example of this.

Quote: GDP

and well trained troops

This is doubtful. Look at their parades, what are they armed with? Soviet junk, except perhaps with axes with a pitchfork.
I think the level of tactical and operational training is about the same cave level. Although this is just from the field of speculation.

Quote: GDP

very powerful artillery

Gy-gy.

Quote: GDP

therefore, they shed blood in the south - the river.

Only if headlong rush to machine guns and thorns. And leaving behind the sea of ​​their corpses they will be able to get close to the South Koreans.
They will do this in case of conflict, there is no doubt. There is no doubt that everyone understands this very well. And they are developing countermeasures.

[GDP]

Quote: tyr

Yeah. And also a division of service dogs.
Do not exaggerate. There sowing. Koreans fought. And the Chinese. By the way, they had more combat experience than the Soviet military.
Soviet participation in hostilities on the Korean Peninsula was very, very limited. Almost symbolic.

Actually, the North Koreans fought almost exclusively with Soviet weapons.
- What do you call symbolic help?
On the side of the Koreans, the 64th air corps of the USSR fought equipped with the most modern MIG-15 fighters at that time!
The most productive ace of that war was the major of the Soviet Air Force Nikolai Sutyagin, he shot down an enemy aircraft 22.

Quote: tyr

So who wants to cultivate "socialism"? Everyone wants to live in satiety and prosperity.

Ask how things were in Libya under the dictator Kadaf, what were the salaries and benefits, what were the prices, during decaying socialism and how they live there now under developed capitalism and democracy ... IMHO - to each his own ... Try in Somalia with pirates from the point of view of democracy and rights person talk.

Quote: tyr

Why should they fill up? Nuclear Weapons Development Centers Korea has long been known to them. Storage space, too. These places are the goals.

Will nuclear power plants that produce weapons-grade plutonium also bomb?
I remind you that to the densely populated areas of China, Russia and South Korea from these power plants, as from Gelendzhik to Sochi ... It will cover everyone with emissions.

Quote: tyr

very powerful artillery Gee-gee.

TEN WITH A HALF THOUSAND CANNONS !!!!! Of which a quarter can reach the capital of South Korea without even crossing the border! In your opinion this is not enough? Yes, in all of Western Europe there is not so much artillery! ... Including several corps capable of firing nuclear ordnance from conventional cannons.
2500 MLRS in the house including long-range analogues of our tornado!

[tyr]

Quote: GDP

Actually, the North Koreans fought almost exclusively with Soviet weapons.
- What do you call symbolic help?

Did the USSR supply it there? Or is China?

Quote: GDP

The 64th USSR air corps fought on the Korean side

Oh oh oh. The whole air corps.
Really read what limitations his pilots had.

Quote: GDP

The most productive ace of that war was the major of the Soviet Air Force Nikolai Sutyagin, he shot down an enemy aircraft 22.

However, only 14 victories were confirmed. That, in general, and so much.
But, I emphasize once again, this is generally a “penny”. Nonsense, compared with the participation of the Chinese.

Quote: GDP

Ask how things were in Libya under the dictator Kadaf, what were the salaries and benefits, what were the prices, during decaying socialism

Have you seriously decided to call the Gaddafi regime "socialist"? Are you in yourself?

Quote: GDP

Will nuclear power plants that produce weapons-grade plutonium also bomb?
I remind you that to the densely populated areas of China, Russia and South Korea from these power plants, as from Gelendzhik to Sochi ... It will cover everyone with emissions.

Therefore, I think that this time nothing will happen. Rather, it will be just everything, and in full, but in a different scenario.

Quote: GDP

TEN WITH A HALF THOUSAND CANNONS !!!!!

And how many shells are there for them?

Quote: GDP

Of which a quarter can reach the capital of South Korea without even crossing the border!

Is the US capital in Seoul?

Quote: GDP

Including several buildings capable of firing nuclear weapons from conventional cannons.

They are just not there. Till. Therefore, I think they will hurry. And the Americans will traditionally rush indirectly. Although, Republicans are in power. Therefore, everything is not so simple.

Quote: GDP

2500 MLRS in the house including long-range analogues of our tornado!

They won’t finish to Washington.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: tyr

Oh oh oh. The whole air corps.
Really read what limitations his pilots had.

Such was the “corps”, which cost three. The general statistics of enemy losses for a number of reasons is difficult to accurately calculate ... However, according to their US Air Force Colonel Taylor, who had the most complete access to the statistics of losses:

Of 2834 shot down planes of the combined group of the United States and the United Nations, 1309 - which is about ½ of the total number of losses - were shot down by Soviet pilots and anti-aircraft gunners. 1525 aircraft were shot down by Chinese and Korean pilots and anti-aircraft gunners, were destroyed at airfields, and also crashed during landing, and from other technical problems

This is consistent with the TsAMO, which admits that fighter corps shot down 1097 enemy planes and 212 shot down anti-aircraft gunners.

Quote: tyr

Did the USSR deliver it (weapons) there? Or is China?

From this telegram it is clear what the Chinese weapons were:
... Mao told Stalin that initially 5-6 divisions of the "Chinese People’s Volunteers" (CPV) will enter Korea, thereby showing the United States that the situation has changed. After they having received enough Soviet weapons, prepare, they will be able to go on the offensive. The Chinese leader also asked Stalin to help Soviet aircraft and navy cover up the Chinese troops in Korea and the industrial areas of Northern China.

As for the direct military operations, Stalin was very afraid of the capture of our military and the general escalation of the conflict, and indeed participation was strictly regulated, although sometimes in especially critical situations our staff members in violation of the rules found themselves directly on the front line to turn the tide of the battle in their favor, and the Korean division save from dangerous coverage. Such cases are known --- when it was not Stalin’s directive that turned out to be more important, but invaluable combat experience gained in Europe. And the Koreans and Chinese with their soldiers and officers bore the brunt of the war at the forefront in their units. But they don’t argue with that .

[tyr]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Such was the "case" that cost three.

Why not 333?

Quote: Thunderbolt

This is consistent with the TsAMO, which admits that fighter corps shot down 1097 enemy planes and 212 shot down anti-aircraft gunners.

But the Chinese shot down more. Yes, and on earth they fought not childishly.

Quote: Thunderbolt

and invaluable combat experience gained in Europe

In Asia, the war went on longer than in Europe. Therefore, the Chinese had no less experience. And there was no need for Soviet mythical advisers to intervene in the matter. They did not intervene.

[commbatant]

tyr

This is doubtful. Look at their parades, what are they armed with? Soviet junk, except perhaps with axes with a pitchfork.
I think the level of tactical and operational training is about the same cave level. Although this is just from the field of speculation.

I remember from WWII History that good weapons did not save France and other progressive countries from the defeat of the Wehrmacht ...

And if the Soviet Union had not started the Bagration operation ahead of time at the request of the "allies", then the British and American troops near the Ardennes would have repeated the fate of the Southwestern Front of the initial period of the Second World War ....

By the way, they did not think about why socialism was popular throughout the 20th century, probably because the USSR, having taken the main burden of the struggle against the Nazi invaders, defeated the most powerful army and its military-industrial complex on the planet, and then restored the country from ruins ...

[tyr]

Quote: commbatant

good weapons did not save France and other progressive countries from the defeat of the Wehrmacht ...

You don’t understand, it’s not about quality, it’s about generations of weapons. It is like the conquistodors in America against the Indians.

Quote: commbatant

if the Soviet Union had not started the Bagration operation ahead of time at the request of the "allies", then the British and American troops near the Ardennes would have repeated the fate of the Southwestern Front of the initial period of the Second World War ....

Why write passion? What is the southwestern front? Yes, the Allies would lose a couple of thousand of their soldiers additionally. That's all.
Although for them this couple of thousands would be a real disaster. They counted every soldier. But the fact that the USSR began an incompletely prepared operation and therefore suffered additional losses, that’s what it was to them.

Quote: commbatant

By the way, you didn’t think about why socialism was popular throughout the 20th century.

He could not be popular ALL 20 in, t. To. It began in the USSR only in December 1927. But at first only in places. And it was truly declared built in December 1936. Moreover, in December 1991. he died. A total of 55 years, if we take absolutely socialism into account. And another 9 years of partial "socialism" in the USSR.
At the same time, and who told you that “socialism” was once popular in the world?

Quote: commbatant

probably because the USSR took the main burden of the struggle against the Nazi invaders

It is only in RuNet there is such an "argument". To everyone else in the world it is a damn thing, everyone is looking at the section of the fruits of victory. And the fattest pieces here went to the Anglo-Saxons. So they won. Mostly of course.
It's simple.

Quote: commbatant

defeated the most powerful army and its military-industrial complex on the planet

Does it bother you that the Anglo-Saxons had the most powerful military-industrial complex on the planet? And this military industrial complex worked for the "anti-Hitler coalition." And the army of this very coalition in total was the largest and most powerful on the planet.
Forgot about China and Chiang Kai-shek? Nevertheless, in Asia, he played the role of the USSR in Europe. Those. "broke the ridge", "suffered major losses", etc.

Quote: commbatant

and then restored the country from ruins ...

Well yes. At first, through his actions and inaction, he turned the country into ruins. And then he restored it. This is very Bolshevik - to the bottom, and then ...

[commbatant]

tyr

Partially agree, but nothing new was discovered ...

You don’t understand, it’s not about quality, it’s about generations of weapons. It is like the conquistodors in America against the Indians.

why was the French army lowered, everything is compared, the “Free France” successfully fought in Algeria .... under the leadership of the young De Gaulle, but I think it all depends on the leadership of the troops and the development of the theory of war, of course the Germans had advantages in this regard. ...

Although for them this couple of thousands would be a real disaster. They counted every soldier.

And the operation "Kitchen Garden" - everything was "thought out" very much ....
Did you know that initially the allies were supposed to land in the Antwerp region, and not in the North of France ("Indirect Action Strategy" Leader Garth) .... but the older comrades thought about the post-war division of Europe ....
The Anglo-Saxons also have "shoals" enough ..., operations in North Africa and Italy, "Torch", Husky "....

And the fattest pieces here went to the Anglo-Saxons. So they won.

It is debatable, except in terms of economy, but Eastern Europe has long become a "security buffer" between the USSR and NATO, something similar we now see with LDNR, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Transdniestria ...

Does it bother you that the Anglo-Saxons had the most powerful military-industrial complex on the planet?

Rather shocking, your statement about this, the United States met the world war with 300 light tanks ....

Well yes. At first, through his actions and inaction, he turned the country into ruins. And then he restored it. This is very Bolshevik - to the bottom, and then ...

Yes, the Germans themselves are to blame, if you read the periodicals and books, then you will find out that according to the original plan (before Barborossa), the main strike direction was Ukraine with access to the Volga-Caucasus-Ural industrial region, in the end, after the failure near Moscow, Hitler began to change the initial plans were literally “on their knees,” and he replaced all the leaders of the Army Groups because they were preparing their troops for the implementation of the “Barbarossa Plan” - access to the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line (after which Turkey and Japan should enter the war) ...

[tyr]

Quote: commbatant

"Free France" in Algeria successfully fought .... under the leadership of the young De Gaulle

Take an interest in the number of troops at de Gaulle. The cat cried.

Quote: commbatant

The Anglo-Saxons also have enough "shoals" ...

May be. But against the 19 million Soviet losses of military personnel, the “jambs" of any other country are simply minor troubles.

Quote: commbatant

but Eastern Europe has long become a "security buffer" between the USSR and NATO

Do not fantasize. These weapons were not an obstacle to modern weapons. The USSR simply entertained itself with the idea that it had acquired satellites. In fact, they were just parasites. Now they have safely crawled onto the body of Europe. Militarily, that then, now, they are of no interest to anyone. In addition to the Germans of the former GDR.

Quote: commbatant

Your statement about this, the United States met the World War with 300 light tanks ....

Why did they need tanks? To fight with the Mexicans?
By the way, the first 2MV medium tank was launched in the United States in February 1942. And the first German medium tank, in March 1942. Still later. True, in the USSR the first medium tank was released only in March 1944. However, everything is natural. It is enough to compare the losses of the parties as well.

Quote: commbatant

if you read periodicals and books, then you will find out that according to the original plan (before Barborossa), the main strike direction was Ukraine with access to the Volga-Caucasus-Ural industrial region

Before Barbarossa, there were no plans to attack the USSR. Basically. Not interested in the USSR Germany.
It was the Soviet strategists who so "foresaw" the German strike. Therefore, they kept the main mechanized corps in Ukraine.

Quote: commbatant

in the end, after failure near Moscow, Hitler began to change his original plans literally “on his knees”

The Wehrmacht began to change plans on its knees as early as July 11.07.1941, XNUMX. It was then that the action of the Barbarossa plan was canceled and the Germans began to celebrate the victory.

Quote: commbatant

because they were preparing their troops for the implementation of the Barbarossa Plan - access to the Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line (after which Turkey and Japan should enter the war)

To the implementation of the Barbarossa plan after the failure near Moscow? This happened in November 1941. And the Barbarossa plan was canceled in July 1941.
Japan did not have enough of its affairs. Therefore, the USSR was not at all interested in it.
The Turks can be suspected of anything. But only NOT in idiocy. Therefore, they would not attack the USSR.
You just need to understand very clearly - the Axis countries had no chance of success in their global confrontation with the Anglo-Saxons. Except maybe a MIRACLE. And they all perfectly understood this. Including and the Turks. And the Japanese understood, but they had no choice - they simply consciously decided to die standing.

[KaPToC]

Quote: GDP

use limited tactical nuclear weapons

It's too much.

[mervino2007]

Quote: GDP

Americans could not defeat the North Koreans - North Korea then actually fought in an alliance with China and the USSR.

In the Korean War, 1950 - 1953, no one won. There is no peace treaty between North and South to this day. Millions of the dead. Huge destruction from the targeted bombing of irrigation facilities in the North, then portended a famine. So the people of the DPRK have such a memory of that war. And, despite such a negative, today he is ready to defend himself again, to the last. Many decades have passed since then, the pain of loss is gone, dulled. Remained the bright glory of the fighters who gave their lives in that war. Do not you find something similar in the fate of the USSR, and in our today? The ideological and moral base is the same: our cause is just, we will win.

[Doliva63]

"At the expense of the fact that the Americans could not defeat the North Koreans - North Korea then actually fought in an alliance with China and the USSR. Technologically, the North Korean army was not inferior to the Americans. Our pilots, anti-aircraft gunners and instructors who went through hell of the Second World War with great experience served there"
The DPRK was supported by the USSR and the PRC, and by the southerners, except the states, about 18 countries, including Britain, France, Canada, etc. And technologically, alas, the northerners were inferior in everything except the Air Force due to the participation of the USSR.

[Max golovanovo]

And what, in the Republic of Korea, everyone will be very glad that Koreans beyond 38 parallel are watered with limited tactical nuclear weapons, or only some?

[Grigory_78]

Not. Spit USA on South Korea. As well as any other vassal. The worst thing is that the North Koreans may find a missile with a nuclear warhead, which will reach the United States, despite the much-praised missile defense. This is scary. How many boars generals will fly with a whistle from a warm barn called the Pentagon is scary to think. Yes, and Trump oh it will be fun ...

[wvg]

FA that Hamas was once destroyed by the IDF? “Ogrebon” is precisely the Jew’s arrogance-to call all their actions victorious.

[Max golovanovo]

I would like to hear what's with the old director of the new Samsung office?

[Siberian]

Quote: Anglorussian

Do you seriously think that the battle baby doll will win?

moreover, it will "win" .... "it will not win" .... they tell you that there will be a lot of blood, and not American

[starshina wmf]

He may not win, but he will put the southerners ogogo. And if there really is nuclear weapons, the SC scribe will be especially specific for Seoul. And there the Japanese will fall.

[Max golovanovo]

Tomogavkov is not enough for everyone.

[Grigory_78]

Win - no, of course. But defeating him will not work easily

[Maskom]

"No need to joke with the war. There are other guys here. This is not Germany, this is not Afghanistan. George, your soldiers will be torn to pieces here. 250 thousand selected Iraqi soldiers! They will smash everything. They will pass the entire desert in one hour! They will blow all yours destroyers, all your journalists, diplomats. " From the appeal of Zhirinovsky to President Bush. in the same way I refer to warnings about the strength of the North Korean army.

[cariperpaint]

here there is one small nuance ... buying North Korean generals is much more difficult than Iraqi ones. and they will not surrender their units as in Iraq. Saddam's army did not fight. and this will be. and the reason is as simple as an orange.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

It’s much harder to buy North Korean generals than Iraqi generals.

Recently, some Korean fled to the cashier

Quote: cariperpaint

and don’t turn in their units in Iraq

Yeah yeah

Quote: cariperpaint

Comrade Sadam’s army did not fight. and this will be.

Kim would have your confidence

[cariperpaint]

but what does my confidence have to do with it? to buy them you need to get to them) options?))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

to buy them you need to get to them) options?))

Run yourself

[cariperpaint]

where?))) to China?)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

where?))) to China?)))

It is possible in China, it is possible in Russia, and it is possible in South Korea.

[cariperpaint]

yeah))) hoping for such an outcome all the wars in the world took place)

[commbatant]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: cariperpaint

where?))) to China?)))

You can in China, you can in Russia, but you can to South Korea.

How do you imagine this, are North Korean generals running through minefields and lines of fortified areas on the border with the Republic of Kazakhstan?

[andj61]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: cariperpaint

to buy them you need to get to them) options?))

Run yourself

At one time they were already scattering ... And then they were running again. How many times did Seoul and Pyongyang change hands, until the line of contact stabilized at 38 parallels? And don't forget about the million Chinese volunteers from that story. Do you think there will be fewer of them now? And about China's medium-range anti-ship ballistic missiles from the history of the present - this is actually a hypersonic weapon that can neutralize the US advantage at sea! Or do you think that China will calmly look at the strengthening of South Korea and at the approach of American troops to its borders?
Let us recall who is to blame for the failure of the concluded agreements on the nuclear potential of the DPRK! And this is not Kim at all, but Bush Jr.!

In October 1994, after lengthy consultations, the DPRK signed a “Framework Agreement” with the United States, under which North Korea assumed some obligations, for example:
cessation of construction and use of reactors and uranium enrichment facilities;
refusal to extract plutonium from reactor fuel assemblies;
SNF withdrawal outside the country;
taking measures to dismantle all facilities whose purpose in one way or another speaks of the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
In turn, US authorities have committed themselves to:
supply fuel oil;
instead of a shutdown reactor in Yonben with a capacity of 5 MW, to build two much more modern light water reactors with a capacity of 1000 MW each, which, moreover, could not be used to produce weapons-grade plutonium.
The coming to power of the 43rd US President Bush (Jr.) has aggravated relations between the two countries. Light water reactors were never built, which did not prevent the United States from putting forward new requirements to the DPRK. Bush included North Korea in the "rogue countries", and in October 2002, US Assistant Secretary of State James Kelly stated that North Korea is enriching uranium. After some time, the United States suspended the supply of fuel for North Korean power plants, and the DPRK officially announced on December 12 the resumption of the nuclear program and the expulsion of IAEA inspectors. By the end of 2002, according to the CIA, from 7 to 24 kg of weapons-grade plutonium was accumulated in the DPRK. On January 10, 2003, the DPRK officially withdrew from the NPT.

Let the Americans first deal with their inadequate presidents before putting any demands on others!

[Nikolay K]

Quote: cariperpaint

to buy them you need to get to them) options?))

It is enough to put bread and call cipa-cipa.
DPRK will not survive the war for more than six months, will die of hunger

[saigon]

North Korea has always lived hungry. And a hundred and a thousand years ago they did not fatten, read the history of Korea.

[tyr]

Quote: saigon

And a hundred and a thousand years ago they did not fatten, read the history of Korea.

But now they are fattening. But it works well. In South Korea.
All in. Korea works no less. But do not fatten at all. Why is this so?
No, of course, on "socialism" in Sev. It’s impossible to think of Korea.

[sunzhenets]

Rumors of hunger in North Korea are greatly exaggerated, and their main source is South Korea.

[Max golovanovo]

Nicholas K himself believed, or who helps?

[Okolotochny]

You give better evidence of professionals, not politicians.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Maskom

"No need to joke with the war. There are other guys here. This is not Germany, this is not Afghanistan. George, your soldiers will be torn to pieces here. 250 thousand selected Iraqi soldiers! They will smash everything. They will pass the entire desert in one hour! They will blow all yours destroyers, all your journalists, diplomats. " From the appeal of Zhirinovsky to President Bush. in the same way I refer to warnings about the strength of the North Korean army.

And WHERE are the Americans with Iraq now? AT which part of the body, but?
With Somalia?
With Afghanistan?
With Libya?
In the same.

And NW has not been canceled yet.

[Blackmokona]

In Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, the puppet government in Somalia did not find resources.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Maskom

"No need to joke with the war. There are other guys here. This is not Germany, this is not Afghanistan. George, your soldiers will be torn to pieces here. 250 thousand selected Iraqi soldiers! They will smash everything. They will pass the entire desert in one hour! They will blow all yours destroyers, all your journalists, diplomats. " From the appeal of Zhirinovsky to President Bush. in the same way I refer to warnings about the strength of the North Korean army.

I talked in these "warriors" in 1994 - frail guys, no motivation to fight - ordinary fellahs.
One barely survived - when the brave Iraqis draped from Kuwait on the "road of death" Hellfire got into his truck - they scattered everyone in the back, and he - the driver was "lucky" - a heavy concussion. So he immediately after treatment deserted to Turkey.
I heard a lot firsthand from a real participant in that war.
Saddam's army became a punching bag.

[wvg]

Hussein did not want to look like an aggressor. But this doesn’t threaten Eun; he doesn’t give a damn about the opinion of the "public". After all, at this level of isolation, something else is simply impossible to do with him. And do not forget, China is behind Eun!

[Blackmokona]

Hussein was a direct aggressor, first attacked Iran, then attacked Kuwait, then launched border incidents on the border with Arabia.

[commbatant]

Quote: BlackMokona

Hussein was a direct aggressor, first attacked Iran, then attacked Kuwait, then launched border incidents on the border with Arabia.

As far as I remember from the "periodicals", Iraq in Iran-Iraq was supported including The United States (it would be strange, if it were otherwise, after the capture of the American embassy in Tehran and the fall of the shah’s regime) and, accordingly, the aggressor, by definition, could not be ...

Kuwait was once the 19th province of Iraq ....

then began border incidents on the border with Arabia.

after the SA was granted its territory under the forces of the International Coalition (which included the military units of the FRY and the SAR - that is what God punished them after 9 and 20 years, respectively)

[Blackmokona]

A country becomes an aggressor upon an attack on another country, and not upon the fact of support or not support from the United States.
And once Russia was the Ulus of Mongolia, you give the return of the ancestral Lands!

[commbatant]

BlackMokona Today, 13:02 ↑ New
A country becomes an aggressor upon an attack on another country, and not upon the fact of support or not support from the United States.

Have you decided to be clever? The Americans and the pro-American UN have always called the aggressor only those who were not supported by the United States ....
If the South Caucasus now invade the DPRK, then this will be self-defense in the framework of Article 51 of the UN Charter, and if on the contrary, then aggressive actions on the part of the DPRK ...

About the operations of the US Armed Forces in Grenada and Panama, I will not say anything, there was a trace of “no” aggression ....
By the way, look at the year in which the Hawaiian Islands became one of the US states and when they ceased to be dependent territory ...

[Blackmokona]

Everyone does it, they call the aggressor only the opposite side, you listen to Hitler, so everyone attacked him, and he was one peaceful.

No, it will not, and the South Caucasus and the DPRK are at war, and the ceasefire has been torn apart by Kim Jong In for a long time. Therefore, an attack by either side on any will not have legal consequences. Moreover, the DPRK is in fact at war with the UN. Therefore, the attack of any UN country on the DPRK has no legal consequences

About the operations of the US Armed Forces in Grenada and Panama, I will not say anything, there was a trace of “no” aggression ....

Was

By the way, look at the year in which the Hawaiian Islands became one of the US states and when they ceased to be dependent territory ...

So what? What does this have to do with this topic?

[commbatant]

Blackmokona

Those. the attack of the South Caucasus or the United States without a UN mandate on the "orphans" from the DPRK will not be called aggression? Well, read article 51 of the UN Charter, it says what actions a country should take that has taken measures for self-defense ...

[Blackmokona]

Between the DPRK and the rest of the world, a war is already officially underway. According to the UN Security Council resolution adopted unanimously by the UN Security Council. And the ceasefire was torn by the DPRK.

[Max golovanovo]

Yeah, but was Mongolia then?
What about Russia?

[KaPToC]

Quote: krokodil25

Do you seriously think that your axes XNUMX make the weather

The weather will not be made by axes, the Americans will bomb the rear of the Korean army and all these thousands of tanks, artillery barrels and millions of soldiers will be left without fuel, shells, food.

[domokl]

Quote: KaPToC

all these thousands of tanks, artillery barrels and millions of soldiers will be left without fuel, shells, food.

Though laughter, see how the DPRK Army is built up. There are simply no rear lines in classic nopomania. And only cities and settlements will bomb ... The rest in the fortified areas and rocks is hidden

[KaPToC]

Quote: domokl

Though laughter, see how the DPRK Army is built up. There are simply no rear lines in classic nopomania.

There are no rear lines until the world, as soon as the army is in motion the rear lines appear, the rear is the other side of the front.

[Sevastiec]

They won’t get anything. People, come to your senses, do you not at all imagine the military power of the United States? They have been preparing the concept of a “quick global strike” for decades, now, they just want to experience it. North Korea does not even have time to blink. She would have had at least several hundred warheads, I would have thought, and so ... All the bunkers and "secret" objects, most likely, have long been opened. The technical capabilities of the United States, in strategic intelligence, are such that it is not difficult for them. Destroy all of these objects with anti-bunker bombs, too. The strike will be carried out at all levels, the Americans will crush all communications with electronic warfare equipment, and strike several thousand missiles. Then during the day, the remaining foci will be crushed by tactical and strategic aviation. The army of North Korea, in a day, will remain without communication, without command, without air support and intelligence and will be completely demoralized.

[Max golovanovo]

But where to get the extra few thousand cruise missiles?
The same applies to anti-bunker bombs.

[Sevastiec]

Quote: Max Golovanovo

But where to get the extra few thousand cruise missiles?

According to estimates, in constant readiness (charged in PU on marine carriers, or quickly charged on aircraft), about 10 thousand. Of course, they will have to drive half of the fleet available, but why not? In general, they even said that they pulled together 4 AUGs. Now, however, it is not clear, once again they started talking about what was passing by.

[Chaos]

The war will begin on a holiday when Eun is on the rostrum. A hundred cruise missiles will turn it into dust and the top leadership of the DPRK. Complete demoralization of the Korean army. And then, as you said. The DPRK submarines have time to shoot. Thus, America Doge will get on the teeth.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

We decided that Branderburg 800 had no heirs

. still like "stayed"! after the war, those who survived crawled into the armies of the USA, Egypt, France !!! and so on ... mercenary advisers ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Anglorussian

Helfaer and the tomahawk spat on morale. Yes, and pilots are not thanks to magic in the sky fly.

axes and ptrk may have spat ... but when their "owners" got on the wort, fled, losing slippers ...

[Anglorussian]

Did you escape from the victorious army of Saddam? What did he end up with? But I remember how senior generals quite seriously predicted victory over the coalition on Channel One. Interestingly, those luminaries of military thought at least resigned after their forecasts? And whose victory ended in Serbia (to my regret in this case)

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Anglorussian

Did you escape from the victorious army of Saddam?

Quote: Anglorussian

And whose victory ended in Serbia

Are you seriously? you need to chew as it was, or pretend? after Korea and Vietnam, only a remote war ... because they will break it as always! fighting pancakes ...

[andj61]

Quote: Anglorussian

Did you escape from the victorious army of Saddam? What did he end up with? But I remember how senior generals quite seriously predicted victory over the coalition on Channel One.

Do you remember the real battles with the Iraqi army? There were none at all! Iraqi generals and officers up to the battalion level were purchased before the invasion. That is why the Americans launched a ground attack almost immediately, without a long air campaign.
And as for aggression in Serbia - THIS is definitely not a victory!

[Svoy_tovarish]

Yes, the USA has the most equipped army in the world. Yes, in terms of the quantity and power of weapons, the presence of their types and the presence of military allies, the States have complete superiority over the DPRK. And here you cited Iraq as an example. Forgetting about Vietnam, Somalia and other unsuccessful operations of the world's most powerful army. The defeat of the Iraqi Armed Forces had many nuances, some of which have already been mentioned above. But have you heard about the battle in the city of Fallujah? The last Iraqi warriors and militia units gathered in this city. It is unlikely that you have heard about this. Despair and the ability to fight can be a serious obstacle to any of the most armed army in the world.

[Ararat]

And what happened in the city of Fallujah? Only data from Military Secret should not be given.

[Max golovanovo]

You write Saddam with a capital letter, and write Serbia with pleasure in capital letters. Why did so many illiterate people come to GB?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

and ... but when their "owners" received the wort

From whom and by what? Kim will release a new video on YouTube with a burning Washington

[perm23]

If it were so. there were no wars at all. This is over in the USA in Yugoslavia. And here we need infantry and seizure of territories.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: perm23

And here we need infantry and seizure of territories.

And why should they seize the territory, they will tear down the DPRK nuclear program to ashes and deal with the end. Well, maybe the whole party elite will crash.

[domokl]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

demolish the DPRK nuclear program to ashes and deal with the end. Well, maybe the whole party elite will crash.

Sanya, throw out the template ... It is clear that now you are reasoning like a normal, modern person. If you want to conquer the USA, destroy Washington, you want the Kremlin to be the target of Russia ... Only the Koreans do not roll this logic.
As once the Soviet .. In 1941-45-m ... "For the Motherland! For Stalin!" not fiction ... The war with the DPRK will end only when they demolish Seoul, part of Japan and ... explode their own nuclear warheads (according to various estimates from 10 to 25) on their territory ... To die like that with music. And they’ll blow up ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: domokl

.. Just this logic does not roll among Koreans.

Hi Sanya! I’ll tell you this, I saw a lot of North Koreans here, they come here to get a lot of money for the country. If they don’t let anyone go here to work, the party devotees go. But I can assure you that if they had the opportunity to go to work with their family and to Russia, they would not have returned.

Quote: domokl

As once the Soviet .. In 1941-45 ... "For the Motherland! For Stalin!" not fiction.

Do not compare the Russian people and the Koreans. For example, there are a lot of Koreans Russified, some businessmen, the second part pure crime. And remembering the 53-year-old warrior, you can believe me they will be erased into a powder and the understanding that they can use nuclear weapons. (Both Southerners and Japanese and the USA understand this) They will do everything to prevent this. In short, Seoul will be partly and Pyongyang, but the DPRK army will not.
And the videos of their sobbing and Kim's love is a movie for the local masses.

[NikolaiN]

And the soldiers sitting somewhere in the underground bunkers - spat on the tomahawks ... You can bomb at least until you turn blue, surrender can not wait. And on earth, fighting with them is more expensive.

[Anglorussian]

Well lock them in the bunkers. So what? This is victory? The barrel artillery that will sweep Seoul will be swept away even earlier. They will give prisoners rice. A lot of meat. And that’s all. Eun on the rope (go find a rope like that) and reunite with the south - you need to work as much and live better. And yes, haven't the bunkers learned to suppress?

[domokl]

Quote: Anglorussian

The barrel artillery that will sweep Seoul will be swept away even earlier.

We still admire the Japanese fortifications on the Kuril Islands ... We did not dare something ... If it weren’t for the surrender of blood there would be a sea ...
Korean art is buried deep in the mountains and taking it even having a serious advantage in aviation and other weapons is problematic.
And about the underground passages ... This is not the border with Israel. There, the system of moves was built by the state and for a specific purpose .. It is impossible to lock them there ...

[Anglorussian]

Is she shooting out of the ground? With total dominance in the air, it will become scrap metal. And if he remains in the bunker, he will go to the museum later And now bunker bunker at a time. Progress in scientific, military and technical.

[Max golovanovo]

If art is underground, then where can it still shoot?

[andj61]

Quote: domokl

Korean art is buried deep in the mountains and taking it even having a serious advantage in aviation and other weapons is problematic.

Moreover, not just buried in the mountains, but created a whole system of bunkers, dugouts, etc. 38 parallel turned into a fortress. The only opportunity to cause damage, in addition to nuclear weapons, is the large-volume detonating ammunition.

[NikolaiN]

Yes, what problems, let them sweep away ... Wait and see how it will turn out.
Of course, it is possible to crush the bunker, but they still need to be scouted. But after all, all these decades have been preparing for war, you can imagine how many have been dug.
But to combine them with the south, the Americans are not profitable, a rather powerful state will turn out then, a new player on the stage will have to be considered. And so - divide and conquer ...

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: NikolaiN

Of course, it is possible to crush the bunker, but they still need to be scouted. But after all, all these decades have been preparing for war, you can imagine how many have been dug.

And what - intelligence satellites no longer exist?
What is there to scout?

[NikolaiN]

Honestly, I am not a specialist in the field of satellite intelligence, so I ask you to answer knowledgeable people. Is it possible to detect an underground shelter from a satellite? Not an exit / entrance, namely the location of the bunker itself?

[Max golovanovo]

But what is still not locked? Do you regret pilaf?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: NikolaiN

And the soldiers sitting somewhere in the underground bunkers - spat on the tomahawks.

They will sit for a long time. They will spit for a long time.

[Astart]

All discussions about Helfaires and tomahawks are just a concussion until there is an answer on what to do with 10 million. Seoul in the DPRK artillery strike zone. Tokyo or Dresden 2MV will seem like a child’s game with matches

[Russian jacket]

Take an interest in the losses of the Yugoslav army in equipment and personnel during the bombing and not only with axes .... And this is against the background of almost complete domination of the coalition in the air.

[Anglorussian]

They have lost Kosovo. Enough?

[Russian jacket]

Enough. But ... still take an interest. And compare the size of Yugoslavia and the whole type of enlightened world that was engaged in beating a knowingly weak enemy and could not destroy his army .... But Kosovo was lost for other reasons, and not as a result of military defeat

[Anglorussian]

The goal has been achieved. This is victory. Why is it pointless to destroy the army? You have to be more pragmatic. Or was Kosovo not recaptured?

[Russian jacket]

If the goal was to destroy Yugoslavia, then yes. That's just a bunch of one indicator is not strength, but weakness. That’s what the punks do in the gateway, and when they rake, they go around this person a mile away. It's like in films about the invincible Shtatovskoy army such as "The fall of the black hawk." In my memory, every president of the free world since Ronald Reagan was going to go to fight the DPRK. And passed by. And was content with something like Grenada ....

[Max golovanovo]

Specify at the same time, tomahawks with nuclear weapons or explosives will be? Without nuclear weapons it makes no sense to use, power in the area is not enough.

[Squelcher]

Say it to the Vietnamese, tolerant
you are ours.

[Anglorussian]

That's for me? I will say that in Vietnam, American pedophiles go on vacation. For strawberries cheap. And for the Vietnamese to go to the aggressors to work (as a nurse for those who bombed them) luck. Well, who who?

[Peacemaker]

It is one thing when a pedophile carries money, another when a bomb.

[DV Coms]

Been to Vietnam and Thailand more than once. I’ll tell you something. American pedophiles travel to Europe, since there are already lots of pedophiles there, and the Catholic Church seems to be not opposed, as she is fond of children's "strawberries". But just in Vietnam with pedophilia is very strict. It is in Thailand (in which the Americans were taxing) that the Americans can still "indulge" with their children, and in Vietnam they will cut off all their "pampering" and force them to eat.

[Max golovanovo]

Stop fighting pedophiles to intimidate, from tomahawks already all "shakes".

[yehat]

Well, firstly, guided weapons will end very quickly. There will be no one to spit
Secondly, tomahawks with GSM guidance heads form the basis of tactical cruise missiles, but are not very reliable in terms of application
Thirdly, I'm afraid Hellfire is just outdated
You can still beat cars with them, but it will be more difficult to storm the army.
Finally, the relief in Korea greatly complicates the impact of precision weapons.

[Herman 4223]

30 air fortresses, Germany could not be pulled out of the war. With adequate assistance (China, or Russia), the United States didn’t even have anything to catch there. China and Russia behind their backs + morale and a nuclear bomb, harder than anyone else.

[daletshe]

gentlemen. need to learn history. Napoleon came to Russia to free peasants from slavery, his soldiers were raised to forks. Hitler decided to free from the Communists-you know where finished. Hundreds of years of Afghanistan lead to celezation, but they do not. No need to think about the people with their corrupt western belfry.

[Suhow]

northern Vietnam at one time kept excellent, and high morale was not superfluous ...

[Professor]

At the moment, North Korea looks like a cornered cat. A cat that in such a situation turns into a tiger. And do not take it into account more expensive. For all.

The same was written about the army of Sddam and about Muammar. Well, where are they?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: professor

At the moment, North Korea looks like a cornered cat. A cat that in such a situation turns into a tiger. And do not take it into account more expensive. For all.

The same was written about the army of Sddam and about Muammar. Well, where are they?

Oleg, the mentality is different. no need to compare ... Koreans remember the Americans, remember the millions of dead and burned, so they will die.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

.Koreans remember Americans, remember millions of dead and burned

They just don’t remember that the DPRK exists thanks to the help of the USSR and China. There is not even the slightest mention of this in their textbooks. Victory alone was won by the puffy grandfather, defeating the Juche, the American dragon and South Korean puppets with a proud sword.

[domokl]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

They just don’t remember that the DPRK exists thanks to the help of the USSR and China.

And who ever remembers this? Are there such countries?

[Anglorussian]

The Americans and the British remember. Checked.

[Max golovanovo]

Do Americans even know where that Korea is?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: domokl

Are there such countries?

Yes China and Russia

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

They just don’t remember that the DPRK exists thanks to the help of the USSR and China.

Sanya, yes, we have done a lot of good things to anyone, now we are raking for it ...

[Professor]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Oleg, the mentality is different. no need to compare ... Koreans remember the Americans, remember the millions of dead and burned, so they will die.

The Arabs also have suicide bombers and all kinds of suicide bombers, but in reality no one wanted to die for an earthly god. Moreover, there is a great example of how to live under the nose - South Korea. No wonder they flee not to the north, but to the south.

Quote: Volzhanin

From Arabs warriors, as from a feces bullet.

... and therefore Russia has won them for the second year, but won’t win? You don’t need all to fit in one comb. For example, the Arab Legion fought very worthily. The teachers were good to see.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But no

Your screaming touches me "Well done Chinese" и "Well done Koreans" when the first or second ones create something deadly. They lack the brains to understand that inadequate nuclear Korea borders not with the United States, but with Russia.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: professor

They lack the brains to understand that inadequate nuclear Korea borders not with the United States, but with Russia.

I live in the Far East, because I understand, but those who lick Kim, they live far from North Korea. They are used to seeing a warrior on TV with beer in their hands.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I live in the Far East, because I understand, but those who lick Kim, they live far from North Korea. They are used to seeing a warrior on TV with beer in their hands.

Oh ... and you Sanya, look out the window at the war ... yeah ... who did they attack THIS time?

[Max golovanovo]

It is inadequate now, and if the United States invests in Korea, there’s less of them flying to the Far East. And the Far East is Russia.

[Herman 4223]

As for me, Korea sowing is very adequate, it doesn’t attack anyone, but no one knows what to expect from the USA tomorrow.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Andrey Yuryevich

The bomb and the shell are buried, there is a desire to stand to death or not.

With the modern development of attack aircraft and means of attack, air defense is crushed, then North Korea is again driven into the Stone Age with conventional bombing.
Do not forget that a generation of non-warred generals has grown up in S. Korea who are poorly aware of the consequences of direct confrontation.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: DimerVladimer

Do not forget that a generation of non-warred generals has grown up in S. Korea who are poorly aware of the consequences of direct confrontation

that is, NATO. and the US land generals fucking?

[Max golovanovo]

Why, then, "with the modern development of strike aircraft and means of attack" of the Russian Federation, does air defense develop and develop, is it a futile undertaking?

[lance]

wait if you give only the deadline and the gardens will return, there will be a kick

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Lance

wait if you give only the deadline and the gardens will return, there will be a kick

They hanged Sadam - no one has returned yet, are you up to date?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: professor

Well, where are they?

But no

[Volzhanin]

From Arabs warriors, as from a feces bullet. All fell under the Anglo-Saxons. But Koreans mattresses stsutstsa really and genuinely. The fact that the rattling of arms by cowardly Americans will end in nothing is even my cat knows. To beg obvious things is boring and uninteresting.

[Russian jacket]

Can you tell me how different the terrain is? Everything is true about Saddam and Muammar ... But ... technological chances didn’t help the “chariots” in Lebanon.

[Professor]

Quote: Russian quilted jacket

Can you tell me how different the terrain is? Everything is true about Saddam and Muammar ... But ... technological chances didn’t help the “chariots” in Lebanon.

Different climatic zones. The relief has nothing to do with it. You proceed from the assumption that Koreans will lay bones for their leader. This is your mistake.
In Lebanon, Tsahal did everything he wanted after losing 5 (five) tanks. Valorous hezbalons fled, and their leader Nasrallah is still afraid to climb out of the bunker. If the task was to take Beirut, then he would be taken again. But why? We achieved what we wanted. 11 years of silence.

[padded jacket]

Quote: professor

11 years of silence.

Yeah, after the "valiant" IDF in 2006 "sparkling with heels" drapanul from Lebanon really Israel has been afraid for 11 years to strike at Hezbollah bases in Lebanon

Quote: professor

In Lebanon, Tsahal did everything he wanted after losing 5 (five) tanks.

Yes, you just forgot to add that he lost 50 tanks and armored vehicles and five is irrevocable.
By the way, he also killed somewhere and a half thousand Lebanese women, old men and children, bombing the cities of this peaceful country.

[Professor]

Quote: quilted jacket

Yeah, after the "valiant" IDF in 2006 "sparkling with heels" drapanul from Lebanon really Israel has been afraid for 11 years to strike at Hezbollah bases in Lebanon

In the entire history of Israel, there has been no such silence for the past 11 years. We have achieved what we always wanted. Hezbollah tried to “free Fylystyn” and raked in full. These photos are worth more than 1000 words. 11 years after the war:
1. Nasrallah in the bunker


2. Bibi and his wife rest on the Lebanese border last week.


The rest is snot Islamic bots.

Quote: quilted jacket

Yes, you just forgot to add that he lost 50 tanks and armored vehicles and five is irrevocable.

Why not 500 or 5000? I understand that if your paint is scratched, then this is a loss of the tank. You are a glorious warrior. Keep it up.

Quote: quilted jacket

By the way, he also killed somewhere and a half thousand Lebanese women, old men and children, bombing the cities of this peaceful country.

Only up to one and a half thousand? Somehow weak. Aviation and artillery bombed Lebanon all the way, including Beirut, and there are no bomb shelters, but before 1500 died? Looks like even this sobered up nasrallah and he only barks from his kennel without attacking Israel anymore, and we don’t need anything else. By the way, the Lebanese themselves are dying thanks to nasrallah. They have a birth rate of 1.5 children per woman. Probably a patent problem.

PS
you, padded jacket, I will not feed the segony anymore. Hello to the brainless (literally without a brain for those who do not know) Mornias.

[padded jacket]

Quote: professor

Hezbollah tried to “free Fylystyn” and raked in full

Are you inventing a professor again? You would read fewer fairy tales, otherwise your imagination is played out very much
So, remember, professor, and don’t listen to the rubbish that your rabbis are trying to suggest to you - Hezbollah in 2006 did not aim to liberate Palestine Hezbollah fought only with the possible occupation of Lebanon by Israeli Jews.
Well, and the fact that she "raked" how you try to invent you tell this to the valiant IDF who, just a month later, never achieved any of his goals and killed thousands of civilians, fled from Lebanon in disgrace.

Quote: professor

Bibi and his wife rest on the Lebanese border last week.

Right on the border? Or maybe somewhere in the depths of Israel on the site prepared for photos

Quote: professor

I understand, if your paint is scratched, then this is a loss of the tank

Yeah, we remember how Hezbollah courageous Jewish fighters "scratched paint"

Quote: professor

Only up to one and a half thousand? Somehow weak

Naturally, this is not enough for you, because Israeli Jews are used to killing the children of old people and women by tens of thousands, because they are defenseless and cannot answer you. Not for nothing all the neighbors and not only the neighbors, to put it mildly, do not respect.

Quote: professor

They have a birth rate of 1.5 children per woman.

Well, at least not like in Israel where oligophrenic children are more and more born.

[Russian jacket]

I just don’t suppose about the bones .... I just talked with the North Koreans ... On chariots you gave the number of tanks completely destroyed .... And how many were destroyed, and then repaired?

[andj61]

Quote: professor

At the moment, North Korea looks like a cornered cat. A cat that in such a situation turns into a tiger. And do not take it into account more expensive. For all.

The same was written about the army of Sddam and about Muammar. Well, where are they?

They were also written about them that they have weapons of mass destruction!
North Korea differs from Libya and Iraq in a small detail - it has a REAL nuclear bomb!

[Professor]

Quote: andj61

They were also written about them that they have weapons of mass destruction!

Saddam had a WMD. Moreover, he used it.

Quote: andj61

North Korea differs from Libya and Iraq in a small detail - it has a REAL nuclear bomb!

This does not bother Zakharov in spite of the land border with the Russian Federation. Why should this bother Trump?

[Days]

Quote: professor

Quote: andj61

They were also written about them that they have weapons of mass destruction!

Saddam had a WMD. Moreover, he used it.

Quote: andj61

North Korea differs from Libya and Iraq in a small detail - it has a REAL nuclear bomb!

This does not bother Zakharov in spite of the land border with the Russian Federation. Why should this bother Trump?

Are these scuds, perhaps, WMD? Or is it about chemical weapons manufactured before 1991?

[andj61]

Quote: professor

Saddam had a WMD. Moreover, he used it.

He used chemical weapons against the Kurds - this is beyond my doubt. Where he got it is also established. On December 23, 2005, a court ruling in the Netherlands took place, sentencing Frans van Hanraat, a Dutch businessman, in 15-1984 to 1989 years in prison. supplying Iraq with raw materials for the manufacture of chemical weapons. But there are also statements by the US State Department in 1988, according to which Iran was responsible for the gas attack in Halabja. Then the United States flirted with Hussein.
And in the 21st century, the United States has been looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq for more than a decade and a half, but, oddly enough, they have not found anything, although this was the reason for the invasion .... Do you think if it were, even in a minimal amount, or there was evidence of its production, not even factory, but laboratory, but suitable for use, this would not have been reported? At least not to rinse on every corner of the US Secretary of State with his notorious test tube with anthrax spores? Hussein did not have WMDs at the time of the US invasion of Iraq - this is an established fact.

[Max golovanovo]

Why should Trump worry? Koreans on their territory will tear nuclear weapons, they’ll carry all the rainfall to Japan, and there are American bases, not counting the Japanese — in short, a lot.

[Shadow of darkness]

Of course they are not, for that is, the Alkaida and the Isis, and a bunch of refugees in Europe, including inadequate ones. Have you taken Mosul yet? What axes are missing? China will be grateful for the hotbed of instability as in Iraq on its borders.

[Operator]

With the exception of ballistic missiles and 20-30 nuclear charges with a power of 20 kt, everything in North Korea is bad.

The small and outdated aviation and fleet will be destroyed in the first hours of the conflict. The notorious artillery - suppressed by the impact of volumetric bomb bombs (MOAB). Special forces are good in peacetime. The millionth army and the 5 millionth militia are eliminated by the neutron weapons of the United States.

So the only deterrent to the United States is the threat of using North Korean nuclear charges at four South Korean nuclear power plants, after which there will be explosions with a capacity of tens of megatons each, both Koreas will be destroyed, Northeast China and Japan will fall into the zone of continuous nuclear damage, with a favorable wind direction - all pacific coast of the USA.

This factor, as always, worked flawlessly - the United States once again limited itself to verbal threats against the DPRK.

[cariperpaint]

why is it so weak? Let’s immediately die from the death star)))

[lance]

not only that: not the possibility of using aircraft carriers and bases in Japan falling under possible nuclear strikes. And in general, who limited the DPRK’s nuclear charges. based on the use of OUR reactors of at least 120 to 50kt

[Monster_Fat]

Or maybe even more? Maybe there are already several thousand? The flight of fantasy is unlimited. The DPRK cannot have more than 10 nuclear charges, and it is not a fact that these will explode. In addition, they were not tested in warheads, and in flight missiles are influenced by many factors and not by the fact that they will work as they should, if they work at all ... North Korea’s nuclear weapon is the same fake as all its other armed forces, besides their special forces, serious guys are really there ...

[CONTROL]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Or maybe even more? Maybe there are already several thousand? The flight of fantasy is unlimited. The DPRK cannot have more than 10 nuclear charges, and it is not a fact that these will explode.
... North Korea’s nuclear weapon is the same fake as all its other armed forces, except for their special forces, there really are serious guys ...

... there are stories that the North Koreans delivered hid some of their vigorous bombs in the USA themselves ... where they just - and lope - do not bang ...
-------------------------
...but what if?

[Großer feldherr]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Or maybe even more? Maybe there are already several thousand? The flight of fantasy is unlimited. The DPRK cannot have more than 10 nuclear charges,

No one knows and can’t know how many DPRK nuclear weapons have, the fact is that they have uranium ore and have technologies for producing plutonium. Those. with much desire and investment, Kim could get a very impressive nuclear arsenal.

[domokl]

Yeah ... When using such weapons, we will have to raise money for the funeral of Romanov ... Sanya, ready to die for the great Americans? The wind rose will just be in your direction

[Operator]

The wind rose will be as it is.

The US problem is different in the event of the explosion of four South Korean nuclear power plants in any weather situation to its two allies in the Far East of the khan (South Korea and Japan). Plus, the disappearance of the largest economic partner of the United States - China (within a year with the help of wind, its entire territory will be covered by radioactive fallout).

Well, in the worst case, the extinction of the Americans and the retirement of US production facilities in a wide strip along the Pacific coast of the United States due to the abundant fallout of radioactive fallout (during the year the wind will blow in the right direction).

Only Europe (as the most remote from the zones of radioactive contamination) and Russia (in the European part, from the Asian part the population will be evacuated to the west) will remain in the black.

We will have to develop deposits in Siberia and the Far East exclusively on a rotational basis.

[CONTROL]

Quote: Operator

The wind rose will be as it is.
The US problem is different in the event of the explosion of four South Korean nuclear power plants in any weather situation to its two allies in the Far East of the khan (South Korea and Japan). Plus, the disappearance of the largest economic partner of the United States - China (within a year with the help of wind, its entire territory will be covered with radioactive fallout) ..

In fact - Fukushima infected the ocean - and, indirectly, the entire planet - tens of times stronger than Chernobyl! But the new “Foucault-Stalker” is still gone! ... And everyone in the West is keeping quiet about it - and Chernobyl is no, no, and they remember!
-------------------------
... as the oprichnina of Ivan the Terrible in comparison with the Bartholomew’s night ...

[Operator]

In a nuclear explosion of at least one South Korean reactor, more than a hundred tons of radioactive substances will be converted into aerosol, into several hundred kilograms as in Chernobyl (thermal explosion of a reactor) or in Fokusima (nuclear accident).

Those. the scale of radioactive contamination will be three orders of magnitude larger.

[andj61]

Quote: domokl

Yeah ... When using such weapons, we will have to raise money for the funeral of Romanov ... Sanya, ready to die for the great Americans? The wind rose will just be in your direction

Do you think it's time?
I still hope that this crisis will end as well as the previous ones. There were not so few of them, but now they will make some noise, make some noise - and everything will calm down.
Better yet, the United States will return to the 1994 agreement, according to which they supplied North Korea with fuel oil, built two light-water power units to replace the shutdown reactor in Yongben, and the DPRK refused the nuclear missile program under the control of the IAEA. Bush Jr. refused to comply with the agreement, and the DPRK officially announced on December 12, 2002, the resumption of the nuclear program and the expulsion of IAEA inspectors. On January 10, 2003, the DPRK officially withdrew from DAY.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: domokl

..San, ready to die for the great Americans?

And the better to die for the super-big Koreans. I feel like Americans, that Juche fans are down my throat.

Quote: domokl

The wind rose will just be in your direction

It's in august

[domokl]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

It's in august

Then it’s clear why you are in such a hurry

[Max golovanovo]

What is already crushed? And MOAV in the USA, how many pieces, and the carrier of the B52nd throws it from what distance? And if the B-52 is over? Neutron nuclear weapons - are you kidding, wiki, read something about the radius of destruction.

[Shiva83483]

Second Korean? Hmm ... Americans as fools once a tinsel is not enough? Strange "lads", all the itching in the sphincter does not give them peace ....

[Shadowcat]

Quote: Shiva83483

Hmm ... Americans as fools once a tinsel is not enough?

* squint at Iraq * Well, how can I tell you .....

[Monster_Fat]

Come on. Already there were such “invincible” warriors with the spirit of “winners” and with about the same “significant” army at that time and about the same level of lag in modern weapons. And where are they? They burned them like rats in their burrows. You cut off the border with China and all North Koreans die of hunger — you don’t even need to fight with them — the survivors (those who did not die of hunger) will be shouting "For Kim!" rush to machine guns, as the Japanese did at one time ... Korea is such a bugbear that was beneficial to all Americans to restrain the "young tigers" in the Asian region, and to justify its presence and influence there, China - to drag it for nothing (almost in exchange for rice) rare-earth minerals from North Korea, Russia — as a “scarecrow” for Americans — it distracts part of the forces from us, etc. Will they (beetle) remove it? The question is interesting ...

[cariperpaint]

well cut it off))) it would be curious to know only how)))

[cariperpaint]

US history does not teach anything .... to drive into a corner of the country in Asia is not a Middle East nightmare and buy everyone there ... remind me why Japan attacked the USA?

[Shadowcat]

Oh, you can’t imagine what they are eating in Asia ... There is an acquaintance here, an army man, a Thai, who said that even scorpion grub included in their preparation for survival.
And the fact that they eat guitars like a Yankee pistachio in a civilian life ... No, I understand that you can eat beer as a delicacy, but I can somehow eat it ... I can’t eat any locusts or cockroaches.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: ShadowCat

There is a friend here, an army man, a Thai, told me that even scorpion grub included in their preparation for survival.

such or what?

Fry - they crunch, um ... merger.

[domokl]

And so what? It’s completely edible specimens ... Tear off the tails and eat at least alive .. Only claws can catch on the lip ... from fear

[CONTROL]

Quote: DimerVladimer

Quote: ShadowCat

even scorpion grub is included in survival training.

Fry - they crunch, um ... merger.

... and sho?
I don’t know the Scorpions ... but the locust - yes! Only - in the pan. with butter and honey! Consolidation ... and most importantly - useful! for this ... himself ... ah! - potency !!!

[CONTROL]

Quote: ShadowCat

Oh, you can’t imagine what they eat in Asia ... I’ve somehow grazed ... I can’t eat any locusts or cockroaches.

And in the United States they sell special preserves from rats and mice - for mothers with metabolic disorders, like medical nutrition! Grow them - rodents! - at special meals in sterile containers.
They started, they say, and cockroaches as well ...
... and drool insects with saliva ... honey, that is!
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... the soup is still boiled there - from the "swallow's nests", a delicacy! And swallows make nests out of their saliva - it turns out such a gel-like substance ...

[Max golovanovo]

In our Chinese market, Chinese earthworms were kept in flour, and then lightly heat-treated and pulled, right at the workplace.

[andj61]

Quote: Monster_Fat

Korea is such a bugbear that was beneficial to all Americans to restrain the "young tigers" in the Asian region, and to justify its presence and influence there, China - to drag rare earth minerals from North Korea for practically nothing (almost in exchange for rice) , Russia, as a "scarecrow" for Americans like, distracts part of the forces from us, etc. Will it (the "bugaboo") be removed? The question is interesting ...

Under Clinton, around 1993-94, the situation around the DPRK was also escalated!

In 1994, U.S. President Clinton, together with Secretary of Defense William Perry, considered the possibility of starting a war against North Korea, and corresponding data were requested from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the US Armed Forces, General John Shalikashvili, and the Commander of the U.S. forces in South Korea, General Gary Luck. On May 19, 1994, Generals Shalikashvili and Luck submitted a report to President Clinton, from which it followed that during the first 90 days of the war, losses of 52 killed and wounded American soldiers, as well as 490 killed and wounded South Korean troops should be expected. The cost of such an operation, according to them, would be $ 61 billion.
According to Newsweek magazine, later General Luck clarified his calculations and came to the conclusion that the total losses for the United States and South Korea would reach nearly a million soldiers, including up to 100 killed Americans. The total cost of the war with the DPRK was estimated at $ 100 billion, and the amount of economic damage to South Korea - more than $ 1 trillion. The Clinton administration abandoned the war with North Korea and began negotiations with Pyongyang.

And agreed! Only Bush refused this agreement, ceasing to fulfill US obligations in 2002 for the supply of fuel oil and the construction of two light water power units. After that, the DPRK withdrew from the NPT and began to develop its nuclear missile program.

[EvilLion]

There is an opinion that Khrushchev turned down the war in Korea because of stupidity, and as a result the United States climbed all over East Asia, and it was good for the USSR, somewhere there are some insignificant forces fighting just there, like now in Syria, where you can sit for years straining neither economically, nor because of losses (General losses of the MiG-15 for the war for all reasons 333 cars, of which fifty are clearly simply broken), the main burden is on the endless millions of Chinese who would still swell and die of hunger, and the United States in other places they have no strength.

[Max golovanovo]

Read Brzezinski, uncle. This is a bugbear for the US by weight of diamonds.

[Candibober]

When it went, the Korean War.
That, North Korea, did not have the likeness of the Tashkent front, as in the USSR. And why ...

[Anglorussian]

Because the territory is small.

[cariperpaint]

in fact, this dispute is itself flawed. comparing the Middle East and Asia lead yourself into a dead end.

[Anglorussian]

In the Dutch colonies, one native said to his relatives that he has a strong sorcery - an ointment on a bamboo spear makes the lance-bearer invulnerable. He cooked ointments. Kindred chopped up their personal weapons in the jungle and spread them and went back to the Netherlands to drive the Dutch. On the machine guns. and the ointment was apparently defective. Wrong system. So here is a great chucche instead of a miracle drug with a similar result. (Situevina is quite real historical)

[cariperpaint]

war is not a game on your computer. it’s easy to reason here sitting on sofas. but there can be no military victory in this conflict. losses on both sides will be such that laundering will not work. and hide something will not work.

[Peacemaker]

I completely agree. Here they like to wave sabers. Chapaev damn it!

[Shadow of darkness]

Are states already in control of the entire territory in Afghanistan? Have ISIS been dealt with too? In Libya, as I understand it, have you put everything in order? Maybe the Tomahawks of the wrong system ?!

[Max golovanovo]

Specify the name of the colony, if not difficult.

[Prometey]

In general, it’s sad when one people cultivate hatred for each other. Instead of helping North and South Korea seek compromise and reconciliation, they only stir up enmity. Truly the world has become insane.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Prometey

. Instead of helping North and South Korea seek compromise and reconciliation

Not really, the DPRK’s power rests on fear and the presence of an external enemy.

[cariperpaint]

how do you know?)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: cariperpaint

how do you know?)))

I have eyes

[cariperpaint]

where are you looking from? not far away?)

[cariperpaint]

read their press? Watch their TV? (By the way, our channels show there). chatting with them on the forums? just trying to figure out where the information is from.

[enhancement]

I watched a movie, there were shootings from a North Korean school. There, students were told that Koreans are fighting against the United States and their hangers-on in Japan and South Korea.

[kpotr]

If only on the forums they talked with them, then there would be no such problems. Most likely, Korea alone would have been.

[domokl]

The analogy is quite appropriate. By the way, the language in the north and south of the Korean peninsula differs in about the same way as in your analogy. They understand each other, but speak differently.
Too different society today in the north and south. Southerners went the way of destroying an original society and creating a classic western. And if earlier, in previous generations, the difference was not so noticeable, today they are different countries. The ideas of unification are no longer on both sides.
Now there is one option, from the CPSU, "peaceful coexistence" ...

[Ararat]

The article talks about the spirit of the winner of the northerners. Where was this spirit when the Americans crushed them from Busan to Yalu itself? The northerners should not bow to Kim, but to the hundreds of thousands of Chinese who have overwhelmed the Americans with meat.

[Candibober]

Ararat, who would say about
duh.Sho Armenians Ararat won from Turkey?

[Ararat]

Oh beaver pinned up! And I was waiting for your idiotic calls, and you did not let me down. Remain an idiot our beaver, everyone laughs.

[Max golovanovo]

Then the Koreans from the WMD had only PLA.

[vladimirvn]

In which case, Russia will not stand aside. Will accept refugees on its territory. And then, he will direct their proletarian hatred in the right direction.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: vladimirvn

In which case, Russia will not stand aside. Will accept refugees on its territory. And then, send their proletarian hatred in the right direction

Why the hell are they needed here?
They are like China's younger brother - a fool with kooky, I got it completely, but it's a pity to give offense.

[Großer feldherr]

In your mind at all?
They have China, so let them accept their refugee brothers. And we already can’t take a rest from our “happiness” that has come in large numbers.

[Max golovanovo]

But in vain, we have a lot of Korean intelligentsia.

[Archon]

Yes. all refugees to Moscow

[vladimirvn]

Well this is a completely different contingent. Disciplined, working. motivated. And there will be a restraining pad between us and Yap. And you probably already took the Far Eastern hectare, are you ready to go to raise the Far East? Or, again, leave the problem of development to the solution of our grandchildren?

[DimerVladimer]

And ... the winning country

This is in what place is the country a winner?
In economics? What can’t even feed the population? Forced rice to buy in China.
In the war? We reached Pussan on the Soviet T-34-85 and were thrown right up to the border with China - is this a victory?
If not for the Chinese "volunteers" - they would have been thrown into the river.

Winners in military technology? Even ballistic missiles underwater launch is a development based on the RSM-25 Makeevka design bureau, which in the 90s began to design in North Korea with the help of appropriate specialists, but then turned off.

[domokl]

Quote: DimerVladimer

This is in what place is the country a winner?

Exactly in the same place as the USSR in 1945 ... The destroyed European part, the destroyed factories and other delights of the occupation. So what? The winner is a state of mind, and the belly ... And you come from the belly

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: domokl

Winner is a state of mind

Did the therapist sing this to you?

Look at what kind of .. North Korea and how they live in South Korea and who is the winner?

You can chuckle at Frau M as much as you like, but the Germans who loser live and work better than the winners. And the former occupied part of East Germany (the former GDR) and for 20 years did not come close to West Germany in development - 45 years of stagnation.
I’m not talking about the country of the winner, which looks into the mouth of the ruling KGB colonel and yes, screeching with delight - yes, enemies around, yes we are great, yes all fools around, one great Pu smart.

[Operator]

The situation with Germany is fundamentally different from the beginning (the German Empire with the colonies) and the middle (German Reich with the satellites) of the 20 century.

Today's Germany is a country with a ridge broken once and for all, having lost all its colonies and lands in the east (conquered over seven centuries), having at least some weight in international politics only because of its membership in NATO.

If this pathetic piece of past greatness once again raises its tail to the Russian superpower, then only a radioactive wasteland will remain of it.

The same applies to the rest of the former geopolitical players - the British Empire, France a la Bonaparte, the Ottoman Sultanate and the Japanese Mikadonate, which we lowered into the toilet (which somehow hints at the other two remaining superpowers).

And economics is a business.

[EvilLion]

And also Germany 5-6 economy in the world. And the question of redivision of the world arose not just because she was economically strong, but she did not get the colonies.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Operator

Today's Germany is a country with a ridge broken once and for all, having lost all its colonies and lands in the east

Well, why is the country with a “broken ridge” mortgage loans of 3,5%, and in enlightened Putin's Russia we pay 13,5% each?

[Operator]

For example, you would bring Liechtenstein - a terrible military superpower as death, I tell you

We heard about the cold wave - that's where 13,5% grow from there. We survive.

[free]

Did the therapist sing this to you?
Look at what kind of .. North Korea and how they live in South Korea and who is the winner?
You can chuckle at Frau M as much as you like, but the Germans who loser live and work better than the winners. And the former occupied part of East Germany (the former GDR) and for 20 years did not come close to West Germany in development - 45 years of stagnation.
I'm not talking about the country of the winner, which looks into the mouth of the ruling colonel of the KGB and yes, screeching with delight - yes, enemies around, yes we are great, yes all fools around, one great Pu smart. [/ Quote]

born to crawl fly cannot ass is heavy, this is you DimerVladimer

[Victor Khan]

Th sit at home go to the swamp and whine there ...

[EvilLion]

But did the Germans live better in the 45? No need to write nonsense, without a Marshall plan and an initially high technical level, and literate specialists were killed in the years of the War much less than ordinary soldiers, whom the Frau still give birth to, there would be no Germany now. There would be a country of the level of Spain, only for the tour. travel too cold.

But if you do not understand the obvious and well-known things, then what to take from you. Blathering further about Putin, it’s good that they don’t put him in prison.

[vladimirvn]

DimerVladimer, in vain you are so. V.V. Putin is our president. Good or bad, but he was chosen and supported by the people. Enough that his enemies are pouring mud on their enemies. You may not like him, but you do not need to insult him. The authority of our country, and the same to you, cannot be added from this.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: vladimirvn

DimerVladimer, in vain you are so. V.V. Putin is our president. Good or bad, but he was chosen and supported by the people. Enough that his enemies are pouring mud on their enemies. You may not like him, but you do not need to insult him. The authority of our country, and the same to you, cannot be added from this.

Putin has been in power for 17 years and what has changed for the better? Over 10 years (since 2007), the ruble depreciated 2,5 times against the dollar, the renminbi, and the currencies of other countries - this means that over 10 years 250% of taxes were withdrawn from the pockets of the population.
What did you do with this money? built factories, roads? Homes for the public? Fly to Mars? No.
17 years of Putin in power - we hear only slogans.
But Putin’s ministers, everyone is trying to find the “bottom of the crisis” and still can’t ...

[Max golovanovo]

What have you done for the country? I built 20 meters of road and a house.

[DV Coms]

You forgot something praising Germany. Anglo-Saxons pissed from the prospect of the spread of communism throughout Europe, because Germany was chosen to become a showcase of the Western world (capitalism) and so much American money and resources (the benefit of the "earned" in two world wars) were pumped into it (as well Antarctica could build paradise. For this happiness, Germany granted its sovereignty to the United States, as well as the bulk of German industry remained under the control of American corporations. Because the claims that a defeated Germany lives better than the winner of Russia (the USSR) without taking into account the reasons are at least not correct. Invest a ton of money in Papua New Guinea and it will become the second Switzerland.

[Max golovanovo]

So RK on the basis of American "volunteers" won.

[DimerVladimer]

[quote] And ... the winning country [/ quote]
This is in what place is the country a winner?
In economics? What can’t even feed the population? Forced rice to buy in China.
In the war? We reached Pussan on the Soviet T-34-85 and were thrown right up to the border with China - is this a victory?
If not for the Chinese "volunteers" - they would have been thrown into the river.
Winners in military technology? Even ballistic missiles underwater launch is a development based on the RSM-25 Makeevka design bureau, which in the 90s began to design in North Korea with the help of appropriate specialists, but then turned off help. [/ Quote]

[padded jacket]

Quote: DimerVladimer

We reached Pussan on the Soviet T-34-85 and were thrown right up to the border with China - is this a victory?

And who dropped the DPRK army first of all, the UN forces where the main "fiddle" was played by the US troops and the South Korean army then practically ceased to exist (in any case, played an actually supporting role) and the DPRK directly fought with the USA naturally they were forced to retreat and they had to help the USSR and China ..
So you do not invent DimerVladimer but read better the history of this war.

[padded jacket]

It seems that Eun and the people of the DPRK were scared to death by the rather distant Trump and he backtracked.
Sent to DPRK American aircraft carrier sailed in the opposite direction
The American aircraft carrier and its attack group, which, according to US President Donald Trump, were supposed to go to the shores of North Korea, actually sailed the other way.

Last week, Trump announced that he was sending an “armada” of ships to North Korea.

However, now the Pacific Command of the US Armed Forces has announced that the strike group, led by aircraft carrier Carl Vinson, must first complete the joint exercises with the Australian military.
http://www.bbc.com/russian/news-39637721

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: quilted jacket

And who dropped the DPRK army first of all, the UN forces where the main "fiddle" was played by the US troops and the South Korean army then practically ceased to exist (in any case, played an actually supporting role) and the DPRK directly fought with the USA naturally they were forced to retreat and they had to help the USSR and China ..

I know a lot about this war and even talked with the Chinese "volunteers" who miraculously survived in that meat grinder - and you can read the Internet?

If you don’t know, the Chinese couldn’t even really eat - during the day they couldn’t lean out of the trenches - they were shot by snipers, and at night their positions were ironed by the US artillery, which spared no shells. The nearest rear was terrorized by attack aircraft that destroyed everything that was moving. Not back and not forward - that’s how this war ended.

[padded jacket]

Quote: DimerVladimer

I know a lot about this war and even talked with Chinese "volunteers"

This is immediately noticeable by the nonsense that you wrote.
The DPRK army was rejected after its attack on South Korea by the army of this country, which was actually destroyed and demoralized, namely the US army, so keep the tales of various "volunteers" with you.

[zoolu300]

It ended up throwing out the entire mattress pack from the territory of the DPRK.

[EvilLion]

In fact, only the actions of the United States itself were discarded by the northerners. They wouldn’t intervene, all of Korea would be red and live like Vietnam now, or so. Nishtyakov, as the Southerners, who built everything and were allowed to live well so that the DPRK was restrained, no one would have delivered, but no one would have tried to block because of senselessness.

So do not write nonsense.

[Mechanicum]

And if it were all blue, then I would live like Japan now. These phrases can be thrown until the end of time. North Korea, in addition to shuddering beautiful biceps on a frail body, can not do anything. Well, economic fraud.
I look at North Korea and I don’t even see a hint of the welfare of Vietnam (not to mention the “sister,” although in your words it should be.
And everyone knows that mainly the USSR and China / USA fought in Korea.

[CONTROL]

the saber rattling of the new US president
... judging by Trump's confusion,

Yes, Trump began as a hero! but it turned out from him - as in that Belarusian fairy tale about "zilch" - where a sluggish smith brought a piece of iron for a plow share, but he could not forge it ... and the ax could not ... and the knife could not. .. and he couldn’t ... but "zilch" did "He heated the remaining piece of metal with the marigold, and - into the water! That's all business ...

[masiya]

The spirit of the Korean people is invincible, they remind us of both perseverance and despair in the struggle for the motherland, there will be no American victory, and South Korea and Japan will be well battered, even if the Americans start the bombing, as they used to, North Korea is not silent will not ...

[Antonovsky]

And when you consider how many Koreans live in the United States. how many terrorist attacks can america endure?

[Graz]

nothing new, the Americans continue to make problems to competitors, at first it was Russia, which America created problems on the border in Ukraine, and as a result all this led to problems in the economy and the fall of the national currency, now the Americans are doing the same at the borders of China, absolutely with that same goal
only here can this lead to millions of victims, since the DPRK will respond with a blow to South Korea and Japan, and possibly a trip to Seoul,
We will not be able to miss the moment, here we need to choose the time when we must strike at the adjacent NATO bases near our borders with the Rocket, another similar convenient moment can be expected for decades

[Max golovanovo]

It is set when the R-rocket with a B-capital letter. Maybe it’s not worth it right away for all adjacent ones?

[Holoy]

I believe that the United States only has to Eliminate the Higher Guidelines of the DPRK, so immediately all the Hungry soldiers who shot their commissars will give up in batches ....

[Graz]

Who give up then?
or do you think that China will allow the occupation of the North. Korea?
so I will please you will not allow

[Holoy]

China has already passed them, stopped buying coal ...

[Graz]

So what?
the Chinese have not yet apparently understood that if there is a big schukher or hunger, all these millions of DPR people will run to them, do they need it?

[Holoy]

and you do not answer for them ...

[Recoil]

The author, you cite the source, but distort the information taken from it:

During the shootout, the police managed to destroy 5 and take one alive (https://rg.ru/2013/01/24/inzident-site.html). However, the police could not interrogate the prisoner. Right in front of the escorts, he committed suicide ... I do not want to write in detail, but suicide was cruel ...

I was not too lazy and went to your link. Quote from the source:

"None of the fighters of military unit 124 of the DPRK surrendered: 28 people actually died on the steps of the Blue House in a shootout with the president’s guard, two managed to" disappear "somewhere, and only one - the group’s commander captain Kim Sin-jo - was taken "They could capture him only because the grenade didn’t work, which he tried to blow himself up when he was surrounded by South Korean soldiers."

There was no cruel suicide. You knew about this and intentionally distorted the information.

[evening75]

If war happens, God forbid, of course, then it will dot all i. In the meantime, all analytical calculations, it is emptiness. But it’s better that the debate about who wins the war remains only a dispute

[Archon]

Americans can sacrifice South Koreans in the name of democracy and bomb the entire territory of the DPRK

[Max golovanovo]

Neutron, hope?

[vvp2412]

Maybe that's why a small, poor and not developed at all in the modern sense of the country was able, probably the only one in the world, to successfully confront the United States and other "democratizers".

Only without the USSR FIGs would have managed ...
Vietnam also defeated the Yankees. But he won thanks to the USSR. Because if there were no military help and people, there would be no victory ...

[Skobary]

99% serve or served in the army - at what age, feel free to ask, are they enlisted in the army?
In the early 90s, the Iraqi army was also painted (self-sacrifice, discipline, fanaticism - and the technique is almost modern) - music did not play for long

[EvilLion]

We forgot about Panfilov’s ... We forgot about militias near Moscow.

For Panfilov’s, one must immediately drive the necks in 3, as a hotbed of harmful and disproved myths.

Near Moscow, the availability of a huge amount of old, but still quite operational weapons, 76 mm guns, for example, 22.06.1941 had 200% of the state and excesses were withdrawn greatly helped in the warehouses. As a result, the reserve did not pull the pocket. In general, the Red Army surpassed the Wehrmacht in December by the number of vehicles since December 41. You know, miracles do not exist, and even a tank-like unit like the T-60 is quite capable of killing Deutsche-Holdaten, if those with cannons are straining.

In the war between the DPRK and South Korea, bets are only on South Korea, even without the participation of the United States. It was in the 41 that Germany and the USSR had comparable weapons systems and decided the numbers, the old Soviet scrap metal from the 60s against the American scrap metal from the 80s could still do something, but what to do with modern weapon systems?

[tyr]

Quote: EvilLion

for example, on 22.06.1941 there were 200% of the state and surpluses were withdrawn

No, there were none. They were temporarily transferred to the mechanized corps, where they perished. Therefore, already in the summer of 1941. having problems picking. What is there on the internet help GAU. Its meaning is that guns can only be obtained from manufacturing plants.

Quote: EvilLion

In general, the Red Army surpassed the Wehrmacht in December by the number of vehicles.

Yeah This is with such a number of trophies, the Wehrmacht managed to concede the Red Army? Do not forget, Lend-Lease in December 1941. still not in full swing.

Quote: EvilLion

if those with guns strained.

Was he straining?

Quote: EvilLion

It was in the 41st that Germany and the USSR had comparable weapons systems

Those. T-60 were approximately equal to Pz.IV and Pz.III? And I-16 roughly corresponded to the "Frederick"?
M-yes, miracles in a sieve.

[EvilLion]

Everything would disappear, so the war would end in 41. Just because of the exhaustion of weapons.

It is with so many trophies

What trophies? Everything that was captured before the USSR by the end of the 41 was already burned out or rusted somewhere in Yugoslavia, there wasn’t too much Soviet equipment, and even without an established system for supplying spare parts and maintenance, it could easily fail, or simply not fuel and / or cartridges.

If the T-60 was equal to Pz-III, the war would have ended much earlier, nevertheless, by the end of the 41-th, the total strengths of the armies of the USSR and Germany were equal, despite the fact that the Germans didn’t know what was left in the east, but in tanks, USSR aircraft and artillery barrels for 1000 people as always superior. The counterattack near Moscow ended when nemchura drew strength to the spring and then even came to Stalingrad due to superiority in organization and technology.

[Max golovanovo]

General Panfilov, sorry - this is also a myth. Did he have subordinates? So do not deny the presence of Panfilov’s. And then the Kazakhs will not understand you.

[Victor Khan]

Asad would have 50 thousand North Koreans to help ... Arabs would not be gouged by soldiers ...

[Snegovik]

And all would be nothing, but ... Those close to Saddam Hussein also shouted in chorus: "Lead on! Die!" And how it came to real hostilities, they leaked the beloved leader quietly and that’s all.

[Nikolay K]

Quote: NikolaiN

You can bomb even until you turn blue, surrender you will not wait. And on earth, fighting with them is more expensive.

Why does the US surrender to the DPRK? It is important for them that North Korean nuclear missiles do not spill on the heads of the Americans. The Yankees will bomb the DPRK’s nuclear and strategic facilities, and let the rest of the warriors sit around their bunkers as rats as they please, spit on them.

[DV Coms]

Yeah.))) But the Koreans will be sitting in the bunkers and waiting for when the Americans will gouge all the North Korean nuclear facilities? ))) And you did not suggest the option that the Koreans will not wait, but will answer? They will drown a couple of AUGs, roll Seoul and the entire 40 km. territory from the 38th parallel along with US bases and so on? Then the Americans will not get off with just one strike at nuclear weapons; they will have to fight to the fullest until the surrender of one of the parties or a new "world".

[Igor Anatolievich]

The number of probable coffins completely discourages the desire to climb into North Korea. And the American ladylings in those parts cannot profit from breaking off. the existence of a different political system on Earth is not foreseen, even to this day, amers after Vietnam have a badly wounded priest - it hurts

[Gun3.]

Listen to “Alexander’s novels,” I’ve already wondered what most readers of this site are interested in, what ..... are you hanging out in Russia? After all, you Russophobe with an Israeli passport in his pants hate both Russia in general and Russians in particular. I think that for the Mossad you work not so much for shekels, but out of hatred of the people, among whom you are Russophobic scum, you live.
It is a mystery to me why such types as Gozman, Amanuel and others who do not crawl out of the TV shows on the central channels or small Russophobes (but also dangerously poisonous) like "Alexander Romanov" hate our country to nausea and at the same time do not leave it ? Well, I don’t understand that the main reason is money: leaving a rogue is not comfortable. Yes, and Hebrew must be learned, and this effort must be made. But! Isn’t it worth it to leave a country in which everything is disgusting to you?
And we, normal (patriotic-minded) Russians, already have no strength to endure these Russophobic scum. Russophobes should be treated the same way as plague rats! The destruction of Russophobia is the most urgent task for our country and for our people. Russophobia, this is a global evil! And how to confront global evil, North Korea shows us an example. Therefore, Russophobes and spray poisonous feces in the direction of the DPRK.
Returning to the Russophobe "Romanov Alexander," I make a proposal: maybe it makes sense to somehow stimulate the transfer of the Mossadist Romanov to his historical homeland? Surely some forum users know his real name, his address, his photo or video. We need to publish this information on the forum, and the patriotic citizens living next to him will probably invite him to the Lambada dance and novels will finally leave us.

[Foul skeptic]

Registered April 19.04.2017, XNUMX.
Fan more, shovel more and more, with a song, sketch ...

[domokl]

And who told you that Romanov is Jewish? He does not even live in Europe. Far Eastern Chaldon ... Even in the army, not normal Black Sea sand was kneading, but Pacific ... There are just people who can’t tolerate when everyone is happy .. He’s bad then ... And vice versa. He called the brawl, happy ...
And secondly, do you think "fill the face" is a serious argument? To slander and prove the wrong argument. If a person does not violate the rules of the site, then he ... has the right to his opinion ... Even if he is a black man of advanced years ... As comrade Mayakovsky said ...

[72jora72]

Quote: xetai9977

With a serious mess, all of these Rambos will run to surrender in the hope of moving to South Korea

Well, we will still see it, but we saved you, did not allow the Armenians of Baku to take ............... but you have a short memory.

[72jora72]

Quote: tyr

Quote: GDP

Actually, the North Koreans fought almost exclusively with Soviet weapons.
- What do you call symbolic help?

Did the USSR supply it there? Or is China?

Quote: GDP

The 64th USSR air corps fought on the Korean side

Oh oh oh. The whole air corps.
Really read what limitations his pilots had.

Quote: GDP

The most productive ace of that war was the major of the Soviet Air Force Nikolai Sutyagin, he shot down an enemy aircraft 22.

However, only 14 victories were confirmed. That, in general, and so much.
But, I emphasize once again, this is generally a “penny”. Nonsense, compared with the participation of the Chinese.

Quote: GDP

Ask how things were in Libya under the dictator Kadaf, what were the salaries and benefits, what were the prices, during decaying socialism

Have you seriously decided to call the Gaddafi regime "socialist"? Are you in yourself?

Quote: GDP

Will nuclear power plants that produce weapons-grade plutonium also bomb?
I remind you that to the densely populated areas of China, Russia and South Korea from these power plants, as from Gelendzhik to Sochi ... It will cover everyone with emissions.

Therefore, I think that this time nothing will happen. Rather, it will be just everything, and in full, but in a different scenario.

Quote: GDP

TEN WITH A HALF THOUSAND CANNONS !!!!!

And how many shells are there for them?

Quote: GDP

Of which a quarter can reach the capital of South Korea without even crossing the border!

Is the US capital in Seoul?

Quote: GDP

Including several buildings capable of firing nuclear weapons from conventional cannons.

They are just not there. Till. Therefore, I think they will hurry. And the Americans will traditionally rush indirectly. Although, Republicans are in power. Therefore, everything is not so simple.

Quote: GDP

2500 MLRS in the house including long-range analogues of our tornado!

They won’t finish to Washington.

Yes, my friend you are a professional troll))

[Max golovanovo]

China Russia please write with a comma. Or immediately through a hyphen.

[Grandadmiral]

Once upon a time I watched the program "Military Secret", there was a program about the North Korean army (and special forces in particular). They showed this video: a North Korean is standing with a naked torso, behind him is a wooden wall. Another North Korean throws battle axes at him. The first North Korean dodges, an ax sticks into a wooden wall behind him, the North Korean again falls into place, the next ax flies into him ... The conclusion in the program was this: their army is not the most modern, but prepared, and from what is, they will squeeze out in full. In addition, the goal of invention is cunning. So, for example, they increased the firing range of our S-200, I don’t remember how much, 2 times, or what. And the special forces they generally tin. Even here, at VO, there was an article about North Korean special forces.

[Gun3.]

Quote: domokl

And who told you that Romanov is Jewish? He does not even live in Europe. Far Eastern Chaldon ... Even in the army, not normal Black Sea sand was kneading, but Pacific ... There are just people who can’t tolerate when everyone is happy .. He’s bad then ... And vice versa. He called the brawl, happy ...
And secondly, do you think "fill the face" is a serious argument? To slander and prove the wrong argument. If a person does not violate the rules of the site, then he ... has the right to his opinion ... Even if he is a black man of advanced years ... As comrade Mayakovsky said ...

Domoki, why did you get the idea that I enrolled Romanov in ethnic Jews? I designated Romanov as Russophobe, holder of an Israeli passport and Mossad agent. The ethnic component is secondary here, the main thing is the political and ideological position of man. And the position of Romanov, reflected in THOUSAND comments in recent years and in his past moderatorial activities, suggests that he is (clearly) an enemy.
Which of those who watched Romanov will deny that he is a liberal? Who doubts that he is a Russophobe? How many people tried to express their patriotic position, he banned as a moderator?
Further. As I wrote in the comments, the fact that the VO site is the entrance yard for foreign intelligence, of which the most active and visible, is the Israeli Mossad, is obvious to many. On the VO website, the Israelis are at home (which suggests bad thoughts) they collect very interesting information, carry out ideological stuffing, and prepare the fifth column. And all this is completely open and fearless. But Israel and the Mossad are not our friend and ally, and have never been a friend and ally!
And who was the most active employee of these Mossadites, who all this time fraternized with the Israeli atalef? Well, of course, these are “Alexander novels”! Well, since he served and serves the Mossadites, it’s true that a hundred pounds, he was encouraged by the Israeli patch. That's all! That’s what matters, and not what’s his ethnicity: a Jew or a Far Eastern chaldon. For me, so Bulgakov’s Sharikov is a thousand times worse than Bulgakov’s Shvonder.

[Professor]

Quote: Gun3.

As I wrote in the comments, the fact that the VO site is the entrance yard for foreign intelligence, of which the most active and visible, is the Israeli Mossad, is obvious to many.

You, my dear. I could not write in the comments as this is just your second comment on this site. And I will tell you a secret. The VO site is generally located in Germany.

[tyr]

Quote: Gun3.

On the VO website, the Israelis are at home (which suggests bad thoughts) they collect very interesting information

PPC

Quote: Gun3.

that the site of VO is a passage yard for foreign intelligence

PPC ysh times.

[Gun3.]

Quote: professor

Quote: Gun3.

As I wrote in the comments, the fact that the VO site is the entrance yard for foreign intelligence, of which the most active and visible, is the Israeli Mossad, is obvious to many.

You, my dear. I could not write in the comments as this is just your second comment on this site. And I will tell you a secret. The VO site is generally located in Germany.

Well, professor, well, head! There are simply no words, I take off my hat and applaud while standing! Yes, you are in kind, a giant of thought and the father of democracy. Well, dear visitors of this site, check out the full power of the logic of the Israeli "professor."
Firstly, how cleverly he caught me. Nothing, says you could not write in your previous comments, since you have only two comments on this site. I hope someone in the subject will appreciate the power of the logic of the “professor”.
And secondly, how cleverly (again) he ousted Mossad. I’ll tell you a secret: “The VO site is generally located in Germany.” Do you understand? Neither in Moscow, nor in Israel but in Germany. That is, the VO site does not cover the Mossad at all, but the German BND! After all, this should be understood?
Thank you professor, maladtsa! Burned the German office well, and to hell with it! What regret their adversaries. Only if you started, then reveal all the appearances and passwords to the end. Who are the founders of the VO site? Who is on the editorial board? Inform the people, do a good deed. About the Mossadites, the stump is clear, do not spread it, and let the German faction shine in full.

[Luntik]

he could write under a different nickname

[free]

An interesting version, what will Mr. Romanov (monarchist-White Guard) say to this?

[Artyom Kitsen]

The author in vain you are so pathetic "The only one in the world can resist the United States" In Russia, too, is full of loyal and strong soldiers. By the way, wait for the tantrums of shkoloty and pseudo-patriots on this topic)

[wldmr]

Truth? Where would they come from? And what are they devoted to?
Although, some, of course, can catch up several times on the crossbar can be a force.
By the way, the spelling "Russia" is a slap in the face to pseudo-patriots?
A sign of the current unfrozen true patriotism, apparently.

[Max golovanovo]

We have such and such a Russian Federation.

[Artyom Kitsen]

Oh yes, what's the difference how to write? I just expressed my opinion, that’s all) it’s just not serious to talk about which country “only it can resist the USA” is nonsense seriously)

[domokl]

Quote: Artyom Kitsen

Russia is also full of loyal and strong soldiers.

And who is arguing? The soldier is full. It was and is. And the country was surrendered with giblets in 90 ... And there is no need to talk about the traitor Gorbachev ... Where were these very soldiers and the people of Russia? Where have you been And I, respectively? ...

[Artyom Kitsen]

Then in the United States the most loyal and strong soldiers who will never sell their homeland.

[SCHWERIN]

If the States climb on the Koreans, I do not envy them. States of course. The first one. All rockets S.K. States will not intercept. So Yu.K. will suffer. and japons. Yes, and the US Navy will get it. Maybe something will reach the States themselves. Koreans have submarines.
The second one. Even if the Shtatov cover Korea, then what next? We need landing and occupation of the territory. Many on TW do not underestimate morale and ideological juxtaposing sowing. Korean. But in vain. Now the truth about the Second World War began to penetrate. So here. The NKVD troops fought more stubbornly. They didn’t leave positions, they didn’t throw weapons, they didn’t go to the Germans in captivity. This of course and the border guards and infantry divisions. I think there is no need to explain why these units fought so hard at the fronts. Dill Khrushch for obvious reasons trampled the exploits of these people. They went into obscurity.
So the army and most of the DPRK population will arrange a second Vietnam for the Americans, if not worse.

[tyr]

Quote: SCHWERIN

We need landing and occupation of the territory.

And before they found cannon fodder. And now they will find. Do not worry about them.

Quote: SCHWERIN

The NKVD troops fought more stubbornly.

Did the NKVD troops fight? Or did they occasionally participate in battles?

Quote: SCHWERIN

I think there is no need to explain why these units fought so hard at the fronts.

It is necessary. Because you write some news to us.

Quote: SCHWERIN

Dill Khrushchev

Khrushchev was a communist who came out of the Bolsheviks. But not Ukrainian at all.

Quote: SCHWERIN

So the army and most of the DPRK population will arrange a second Vietnam for the Americans, if not worse.

And how will they intersect with the Americans? Well, to give them a "second Vietnam"?

[sunzhenets]

tyr
Did the NKVD troops fight? Or did they occasionally participate in battles?

For the "connoisseurs" of history.
The inscription "I die and do not give up. Goodbye, Motherland!" in the Brest Fortress, left in the barracks of the 132nd separate battalion of escort troops of the NKVD of the USSR. The 10th division of the NKVD fought in Stalingrad. The 3rd NKVD regiment defended Kiev. He left the city, blowing up bridges across the Dnieper. A fighter battalion, a combined police detachment, and the 20th NKVD rifle division took part in the defense of Leningrad. In the battle for Moscow, four divisions fought, two brigades and several parts of the NKVD, police sabotage groups, and a fighter regiment.
Have you heard of the NKVD OMSBON, too?
DO NOT WAR THE NKVD WAR?
Ignoramus.

[Max golovanovo]

No, the NKVD did not fight - they occasionally participated in battles from 1941 to 1945.

[KaPToC]

Quote: SCHWERIN

So Yu.K. will suffer. and japons.

Do you think the Americans will worry about this?

[SCHWERIN]

Americans play with muscles, they say the coolest, they say we will cover all of our own on the whole planet from an adversary.
Well, if Korean missiles reach Japan and South Korea? 30 KR USA has already lost in Syria. What is 100% certainty that everything will be in their way and they will intercept them?
The battleship Tirpitz was fatally damaged by one torpedo dropped from a primitive biplane! Abandoned.
If this happens, then the US allies will think, but do we need such a dad? US authority will collapse in the world.
And further. If they are so cool, why didn’t the states attack the Korea and tear it to shreds before? They understand that here is not Hollywood, you can’t rewind back! And it will be too late to worry.

[KaPToC]

Quote: SCHWERIN

The battleship Tirpitz was fatally damaged by one torpedo dropped from a primitive biplane! Abandoned.

Lucky gold torpedo. The Bismarck of the same type was drowned for a long time and hard, as a result he went to the bottom with completely empty cellars and open Kingston.

[Mechanicum]

Quote: SCHWERIN

The battleship Tirpitz was fatally damaged by one torpedo dropped from a primitive biplane! Abandoned.

Isn’t it Bismarck? Tirpitz was ironed by tollboys. And the swordfish was not alone, but fifteen flew out, no matter which plane, the main torpedo, it imposes huge restrictions on the plane (i.e., it is necessary to reset the altitude and speed to those required for the torpedo).
Well, the NKVD was simply not taken prisoner for a snack.

[commbatant]

SCHWERIN

The battleship Tirpitz was fatally damaged by one torpedo dropped from a primitive biplane! Abandoned.

Almost right, I read about this operation in the 90s at TM, drowned from an amphibious aircraft, and the pilot himself did not understand who dropped the bomb, there was poor visibility.

Well, if Korean missiles reach Japan and South Korea? 30 KR USA has already lost in Syria. What is 100% certainty that everything will be in their way and they will intercept them?

This can happen if North Korean scientists “unexpectedly” invent analogs of our electronic warfare and something seems to me that between the Russian Federation and the DPRK a broadband underground highway has long been dug (Soviet school, you know ....) ....

As in the film about Mowgli, "there will be a glorious hunt, many red dogs will find their death, but ours will die a lot ...."

[wldmr]

Anything, of course, happens. More recently, we could observe how the Iraqi army and population offered very little resistance to the Americans, much weaker than their warlike statements before the invasion. And even earlier, we saw how a mighty army - all, as one, excellent students in combat and political training, members of the CPSU and the Komsomol - surrendered the state and people to whom they swore and at the expense of whom they fed, to the swindlers who destroyed this state. She even helped them slightly.
Anything can happen.
But I must admit that I was amazed at the number of North Korean haters who lit up here. It’s strange. Why's that?

[Sanya Terek]

Quote: tyr

So who wants to cultivate "socialism"? Everyone wants to live in satiety and prosperity.

Quote: GDP

but they could well bombard with bombs and use limited tactical nuclear weapons.

Why should they fill up? Nuclear Weapons Development Centers Korea has long been known to them. Storage space, too. These places are the goals. A massive bombing, it smells bad.

Quote: GDP

but also very motivated

That, yes. “Zombies” such totalitarian regimes can grow well. USSR is an example of this.

Quote: GDP

and well trained troops

This is doubtful. Look at their parades, what are they armed with? Soviet junk, except perhaps with axes with a pitchfork.
I think the level of tactical and operational training is about the same cave level. Although this is just from the realm of speculation ..

And what did you lack under socialism? Probably education and hard work.
Massive bombing "smell bad"? Where did your idols care about it, in Yugoslavia, in Iraq, in Libya?
Zombies grown in the USSR? This is YOU - pinodostan zombies !!!
The level of operational and tactical training can really only be shown by war, unfortunately.

[skobars]

Remotely, the Americans will certainly be able to inflict enormous damage on North Korea, but with land cleansing of the territory, the losses from pin-to-owls will be enormous, which they cannot tolerate.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: tyr

Why not 333?

Because the corps had a loss ratio in the first year of 7,9: 1 in favor of the 64th corps. And in the following years, although it was reduced for objective reasons, it did not fall below “two for one”.

Quote: tyr

But the Chinese shot down more. Yes, and on earth they fought not childishly.

I do not deny that the Soviet Union armed the Chinese with the Koreans quite well. And they, obeying allied duty (under pressure from the prevailing foreign policy and geostrategic circumstances) put up trained infantry and other troops, which quite worthily destroyed the myth of the total superiority of the United States with allies in this region.

Quote: tyr

In Asia, the war went on longer than in Europe. Therefore, the Chinese had no less experience. And there was no need for Soviet mythical advisers to intervene in the matter. They did not intervene.

Yes, but nevertheless, our Asian friends got a bunch of weapons (including we trained them to fight in a jiffy, helped establish an effective organization of such a complex mechanism as several Chinese air divisions. All the most advanced developments and experience of the Great Patriotic War in conducting a large-scale air operation, as well as a massive entry into the breakthrough of tanks and mobile artillery --- it was rolled back to European fields and then licked out in our academies, and not in China. They simply transferred this "technology". At home, they fought a little differently, otherwise there was only the DPRK on the Korean Peninsula now, and the South Korean regime would have been thrown into the sea together with the "world community." But the great war then didn’t give up to the Nafik, therefore, we are now disentangling the conserved conflict

[Ilja2016]

Only frank enemies of Russia can wish the DPRK defeat. If they defeat the DPRK, then American missiles will immediately appear on the border with Russia. We are completely surrounded. This cannot be allowed. We will be forced to intervene in the conflict.

[Luntik]

I fully support

[Ilja2016]

Quote: Sanya Terek

Quote: tyr

So who wants to cultivate "socialism"? Everyone wants to live in satiety and prosperity.

Quote: GDP

but they could well bombard with bombs and use limited tactical nuclear weapons.

Why should they fill up? Nuclear Weapons Development Centers Korea has long been known to them. Storage space, too. These places are the goals. A massive bombing, it smells bad.

Quote: GDP

but also very motivated

That, yes. “Zombies” such totalitarian regimes can grow well. USSR is an example of this.

Quote: GDP

and well trained troops

This is doubtful. Look at their parades, what are they armed with? Soviet junk, except perhaps with axes with a pitchfork.
I think the level of tactical and operational training is about the same cave level. Although this is just from the realm of speculation ..

And what did you lack under socialism? Probably education and hard work.
Massive bombing "smell bad"? Where did your idols care about it, in Yugoslavia, in Iraq, in Libya?
Zombies grown in the USSR? This is YOU - pinodostan zombies !!!
The level of operational and tactical training can really only be shown by war, unfortunately.

Quote: wldmr

Anything, of course, happens. More recently, we could observe how the Iraqi army and population offered very little resistance to the Americans, much weaker than their warlike statements before the invasion. And even earlier, we saw how a mighty army - all, as one, excellent students in combat and political training, members of the CPSU and the Komsomol - surrendered the state and people to whom they swore and at the expense of whom they fed, to the swindlers who destroyed this state. She even helped them slightly.
Anything can happen.
But I must admit that I was amazed at the number of North Korean haters who lit up here. It’s strange. Why's that?

Unfortunately, these guys are subject to American propaganda. They believe the TV. Do not have their own thoughts. I feel sorry for them.

[wldmr]

If these are enemies, why pity them? Without thoughts, they are, or even without brains. They do not spare us. Do not regret and do not take prisoner!
But why is VO so attractive to them? What are they humming here?
By the way, I’m not specifically watching, but Russian TVs seem to be reserved in terms of the negative about Korea. It is they (parasites) who believe in some other TVs.
Especially.

[Hollow]

7000 axes against a million at least? Even physically impractical. Moreover, two-thirds of axes fall, five percent - ten to beat ...

[KaPToC]

Quote: Poloj

7000 axes against a million at least?

The Americans do not have 7 thousand axes.

[Grigory_78]

They say that there is. This is the total quantity in stock. How much they can launch in a salvo is a very interesting question. Given the simultaneous use of 3 AUG

[KaPToC]

Quote: Gregory_78

They say that there is.

7 thousand total produced.

Quote: Gregory_78

How much they can launch in a salvo is a very interesting question. Given the simultaneous use of 3 AUG

About 3 aug will give up to a thousand missiles, plus or minus bast.

[Grigory_78]

Axes are needed against infrastructure. For North Korea - with a margin. Another thing is that the ground operation is still necessary, but there is already sadness ...

[urman]

I remember how, before the invasion of Iraq, our experts and various generals.
Speaking on TV, they told how the Iraqis would beat the US troops, what kind of troops they have adapted to action in the desert.
I even started to believe them, the result is known. Since then, I do not like these forecasters.

[KimJa]

unfortunately, you all greatly underestimate the military power of the DPRK. including its nuclear power. words about "obsolete weapons" are only complacency. if there is a war, the DPRK’s response will be nuclear, and in the states themselves. sea ​​containers with a nuclear device on ships flying a neutral flag with a kamikaze crew at ashresor ports are a very powerful weapon.
the article is well written, but its author also underestimates the DPRK army.

[Sevastiec]

"Now that the actions of the new American president are reminiscent of the actions of a child who first got into a modern game library ..."
The author, do not be a child and do not repeat after a bunch of stupid “analysts” who are divorced, like uncut dogs. This is the same when in the West, or Ukraine, they repeat the same mantra, about the "crazy Putin." Trump is a pragmatist and very clearly verifies his every step, and his goal, as always, is only one - to earn money. Arranging a mess, it forces investors from the region to look for a “safe haven”, and a quiet haven is the United States. And there is a lot of money in the Pacific.

[Max golovanovo]

Aleks713,
"Bored girls"

[Luntik]

The army is respected, and the fact that some are fleeing the country, maybe this is for the best, the weak are eliminated. On the example of Donbass, I know that the one who is really afraid is better off (and we don’t condemn them) than he will be afraid and let you down in difficult times when you rely on him. At least it will be honest, and not mislead anyone,

[Valeria]

It seems to me that it is practically impossible to explain Eastern philosophy to Western democracies, and it doesn’t matter that it is the DPRK or Japan - the spirit of devotion to the idea is indestructible to fanaticism.

[NicolasFrench]

But "in my opinion" All this mess is the trigger, not of a nuclear disaster, but of a financial one. at least a couple of tactical ZAs will fly to Japan and South Korea panic on the exchanges. And even more so if the United States will give slack-bucks HANDE-XOX. HERE AND ALL ARITHMETICS.

[NicolasFrench]

Reading the article, I implicitly felt some kind of association and only remembered this video. Africa, blacks are sitting with guns, having fun, a monkey is spinning right there. Kalash falls into the hands of this “human ancestor” while it’s fun, but by some miracle, our ancestor pulls the trigger and the brave warriors throwing their weapons threw themselves into the loose, It was necessary to see. I laughed until I drop. So what am I. Yes to what’s not going to happen exactly in Korea. The whole world will roll on the ground and laugh harder than any mare.

[maai]

"We decided that the Japanese kamikaze disappeared. We decided that the Branderburg 800 had no heirs."

I, too, found an example to honor. The ugly fascist!

[Igor Verevkin]

South Korea won't even need US help to unwind these ridiculous commies. A backward, poor, worthless country with an army of the early 1960s against a technologically advanced power with a modern army - the result is obvious.

Leave the tales about fighting spirit to the jingoistic patriots; fighting spirit will not save you in a night battle against the enemy if he has night vision devices, and you only have precepts about the Juche (in relation to our army against the US Armed Forces - an ordinary American night vision device, which is equipped and trained use by every serviceman against the Russian NVG, which has no analogues in the world, which not a single soldier has ever seen in his life, and officers in the Special Forces GU troops are forced to buy at their own expense).

[kig]

And the entire might of the American army broke its teeth there half a century ago?
The author probably did not read the history of the war of 1950-1953. At first, indeed, the northern ones attacked very successfully, but already in September 1950 (and it all started in June) their army was practically defeated, Pyongyang was taken. Subsequently, the “UN forces” had to deal with Chinese “volunteers”, of whom there were countless numbers, and that’s why they fiddled around for another 2 years.

[Molot1979]

Can't you kill people? Author, tell the Tasmanians about this. Oh, sorry, there's no one to tell. Both the people and his soul were quite successfully killed, because spears with stone tips do not look at all good against firearms. Do you remember about Brandenburg 800? Ay, well done, you know smart words. There are still German people. But regarding the soul, the question is very debatable. She stayed there, or they successfully kicked her out. So quantity and quality do matter. Otherwise - valiant, but still death. At the same time, only the enemies who defeated and exterminated you will be able to tell about your valor. If deemed necessary. And there is no need to drag Leningrad and Panfilov’s men into this. In this case, our enemies also did not stop the war with a pitchfork, multiplied by fortitude.