Tricky comments. Europe now has three problems: fools, roads and a tank division

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Of course, it cannot be said that we have only two problems, that is, fools and roads, there are more of them. But in Europe, if you dig deeper well, you will get the same amount, if not a bigger number. But let's talk about the newfound, namely, a new sleeping pill for Europe. I mean, with which Europeans can now sleep peacefully. About American tank division.



Yes, a division, especially a tank one, is a powerful offensive means. Nobody will argue here. Especially American, armed with all the "best in the world."

17 000 personnel. 290 tanks "Abrams". 330 units BMP and BRM "Bradley" plus 348 armored personnel carriers (М113). In addition, 24 installations MLRS, 24 mobile SAM "Avenger", 50 helicopters "Apache", 30 "Black Hawk", 54 "Kiowa" and 12 EW helicopters. As anti-tank weapons 60 units "Tou", 312 ATGM "Dragon".

Impressive? Definitely. But, as always, there are nuances.

US military experts believe that the success of modern combined-arms combat depends on high firepower, striking power, and troop mobility. Our military hold the same opinion.

In this regard, the presence in Europe as a springboard of the likely theater of operations of a tank division is fully justified. This compound will also serve in defense as a means for counterattacks and even more so in the offensive.

We thought the same way during the Cold War, because there was a plan for a tank breakthrough to the English Channel. It was so? It was. Do not deny.

That's just for the conquest of Europe, and moreover, until the moment the Yankees swam across the Atlantic, we, in the USSR, had about 40 000 tanks of various modifications. Of which half could, if necessary, go on such a cruise. With a high probability of washing the caterpillars in Dunkirk or Le Havre.

And here lies the nuance. And on what would ours go tomorrow hypothetically to conquer Europe?

That's right, on the T-72.

This car is able to carry out such a cruise. We already wrote about this when we compared T-64 and T-72.

It can be long and dreary compare "Abrams", "Leo" and T-72, but I now compare not armor and weapons. More modest characteristic, which is a big point.

It has never been widely covered, but why did the designers of the USA and the USSR go so far in terms of ... weight? And everything is simple. Our government, when the concept of developing new machines was approved, took into account the possibility of action in the European theater of operations.

From here to you and a difference in weight: 41 ton at T-72 and 60 + at "Abrams".

And the specific pressure on the ground is not weak: 0,83-0,87 kg / cm. sq. we have 1,01-1,07 from an American.

And the power reserve is also an important feature.

To 700 km on the roads and to 550 on the crossroads at T-72 and to 480 at Abrams on the highway. For some reason, in open sources there is no figure that tells how many МХNUMX can pass where there are no roads. But by analogy with the "Leo", I do not think that more 1 km.

Already today one can hear from Europe that the European roads and especially the bridges for the M1 are a stumbling block. The roads are narrow and the bridges are weak. And in addition to everything else, and a very decent population density per square kilometer.

Yes, this is not Iraq or Afghanistan ...



Of course, with the proper skill and skill, you can plant in the mud completely any tank. Both M1 and T-72. What is shown in the video. But again, the aspect is dirt, ours, which is chernozem, that is not black-earth (go and figure out which one is cooler) - this is a matter of the usual. For the Russians.



And Wang, that the problems of the Russian crews, on lighter tanks, and even "sharpened" under the European theater, will be much less. Yes, the Polish and Baltic swamps are a serious thing. But one thing after the Aberdeen proving ground in Maryland, and quite another thing, for example, the proving ground in Boguchar. I do not know how in Maryland, and in the spring Boguchar the whole question was "just above the knee or slightly below."

But we all know that Russia will not come “again” to this war in Europe.

And if you come? Let's face and truth. Almost 300 "Abrams" - this is serious. But here the third nuance is that these tanks were not destined to be a single armored fist. They will be spread over the vast territory of the Baltic States and Poland at the level of the BTG (battalion tactical groups). It is easier to post and maintain. It was originally intended.

Tell me, what is Europe? And there is their own army!

Laugh together

Take the countries of the first line, which, as planned, must be protected first of all:

Poland: Leopard 2A5 - 105, Leopard 2A4 - 142, T-72М - 505, PT-91 "Twardy" - 233.

Romania: T-55 - 250, TR-580 - 42, TR-85 - 91, TR-85M1 "Bizonul" - 54.

Czech Republic: 154 (T-72 and its modifications).

Slovakia: 245 (T-72M).

Hungary: 155 (T-72).

Germany: 365 1 and 2 generation 500 and about XNUMX in reserve.

I do not know how much the figures relating to the Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary should be divided. But in any case it is necessary to divide. I don’t even speak about Romania, if there are any, there are numbers.

Let them think further that they can. Nobody forbids to think.

I will not dig much of our capabilities, because we will not come to war anyway. But hypothetically, that one thousand tanks that are in ZVO (4-I separate Guards Tank Kantemirovskaya division (military unit 19612), 1-I Ural-Lviv tank brigade (military unit 63453), 6-I Czestochowa tank brigade (in / h 54096), 1-th Guards Tank Regiment 2-th Guards MSS (military unit 58190)) - is already a reason for reflection.

I repeat, we will not come to war, but if anything, we just have something to meet. Even now, while work on the creation of the 1-th tank army go. And what to drive back, because just in service with these units are "tanks of fast war" (T-80 and T-90), and tanks "for long-term use" (T-72).

And, of course, the Urals and Siberia behind. Both in terms of production and repair plants, and in terms of reserves. And storage bases, on which there are still about 10 thousands of tanks available.

Based on the foregoing, is there any sense of the American tank division?

In wartime - definitely not. Tanks that are not particularly suitable for this theater and repair facilities overseas. Yes, quick repairs can be done on the spot, and if not? And in wartime "if" we remove.

In peacetime - a great sense.

It is not known yet how Trump will evaluate all this, but even if he is satisfied with everything, it is only because who will pay for everything? That's right, Europe. This has been repeatedly discussed. And quietly peacefully pushed to the bases of American cars, quietly defending, because God forbid to go somewhere, will bring a good income to the US treasury.

Here in this plan and understand, and approve. A good idea. It’s not enough for one tank division to accomplish anything in the direction of Russia. Too little. Considering also the fact that we will fight not only with tanks, but with more unpleasant things, such as the same fairly accurate Iskander, which will quite easily fly to their bases. Well, then according to plan, until complete annihilation.

But to clearly show why the Europeans will "unfasten" their "roof" - completely.

In general, sleep well, Europe. But do not forget to transfer payments on time. Although ... the division is enough to remind.

Materials used:
http://manzal.livejournal.com/532790.html
Combat technical characteristics of the tank // Tank "Ural". Technical description and instruction manual.
Materiel Fielding Plan for the M1A1 Tank, 1991.
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  1. +6
    31 March 2017 06: 07
    Looking through the idea in the article, only the A-1 with a jet engine spends almost 20 liters of fuel on the plant, and what will it do in winter. On the other hand, they are getting closer to us, and the roads are different.
    1. +54
      31 March 2017 06: 34
      The article is about nothing. There will be no tank throw. The era of Prokhorovka is long gone. Tanks, if they are involved, then only on a limited, local scale. Another article from the series "they are weak, and we are strong, hurray, hurray, urry"
      1. +12
        31 March 2017 07: 35
        Now there are so many kinds of anti-tank weapons that the number of tanks has absolutely no value.
        The number of helicopters in the division was impressive. In Soviet times, we didn’t have so much in the division, but now there won’t be so many in the army. And only a Apache can destroy a platoon of tanks without entering the military air defense zone.
        1. +5
          31 March 2017 08: 41
          Helfire hits 8km with the new JAGM over 20km, TOW 2B Aero hits 4.5km apart from the mobile Javelin. With such a saturation of ATGM tanks will not be very effective without the cover of infantry and aviation.
          1. +18
            31 March 2017 09: 23
            Quote: Ararat
            new JAGM over 20km

            I’m afraid that until they appear in the troops, Russia will have time to rearm in Almaty. Painfully long project, painfully expensive rocket ...
            Quote: Ararat
            Helfire hits at 8km, TOW 2B Aero hits at 4.5km apart from the mobile Javelin.

            Mobile "Cornet" works at a range of up to 8 km on tanks
            1. +3
              31 March 2017 09: 48
              I don’t know when Russia will be able to rearm on the T-14 and how many will be delivered to the troops, but Helfire is also very capable of destroying it from 8 km. If there is no JAGM there will be British Brimstone. And what kind of Cornet that hits 8km, is it not 5.5km?
              1. +21
                31 March 2017 10: 08
                Quote: Ararat
                but Helfire is very capable of destroying it with 8km

                For this, the helicopter will have 4 km. enter the zone of defeat of the army air defense of the lower brigade level.
                Quote: Ararat
                If there is no JAGM there will be British Brimstone

                At 2 km.

                Quote: Ararat
                And what kind of Cornet that hits 8km, is it not 5.5km?

                Antitank 9M133M-2 maximum range 8 km
                Rocket with thermobaric warhead 9M133FM-2 maximum range 8 km
                Anti-helicopter 9M133FM-3 with a non-contact target sensor, maximum range of 10 km
                1. +3
                  31 March 2017 10: 41
                  Brimstone 2 hits over 25km from a helicopter. And helicopters are able to fly around the terrain to tanks that are storming the enemy’s defenses at full speed. Tanks in Europe will have to go through many settlements that are an ideal cover for ATGM calculations.
                  1. jjj
                    +17
                    31 March 2017 11: 07
                    Do not entertain yourself with illusions
                    1. 0
                      31 March 2017 21: 33
                      I state facts and not illusions.
                      1. +10
                        31 March 2017 22: 52
                        Ararat, I wonder how your vaunted missiles from turntables will pass 4 T-14 tank defense systems (in Syria, two cannot pass, DZ with armor). Not to mention short-range and medium-range air defense. Soyuznichkov (for example, Turks) was blown away by Syria when the Russian Federation announced the creation of a layered air defense system. laughing With ATGMs, even tandem, the old T-55 with DZ cope. Even primitive birdhouses help. hi
                  2. +16
                    31 March 2017 11: 19
                    Quote: Ararat
                    Brimstone 2 hits over 25km from a helicopter.

                    Why not 40 km, or 80?
                    The Brimstone is just a version of the Helfair missile upgraded to increase versatility (and price). Which, judging by recent purchases by the UK, is not quite affordable for them.
                    So do not invent these wild ranges.

                    Quote: Ararat
                    And helicopters are able to fly around the terrain

                    So what? This does not make them invulnerable.
                    1. +1
                      31 March 2017 16: 48
                      Quote: Spade
                      Why not 40 km, or 80?

                      This is more than 25 km.
                      1. +2
                        31 March 2017 23: 52
                        The height of the helicopter changes the firing range.
                    2. +1
                      31 March 2017 21: 38
                      I did not say that they are not vulnerable, but I ascertain the fact that they are a mortal danger of milking tanks even with good air defense. WB is quite free to afford both Brimstone and Hellfire. Why pour over Brimstone rockets with a range of 25 km if the Hellfire with 8 km does a very good job of this? And why not 40 or 80 because TTX from him like that? Stupid question
                      1. +14
                        April 1 2017 03: 36
                        Ararat, your position touches me. Do you even know the size of US troops in the EU?
                        Parts and connections of support: brig. military police brig. field supply, medical team, communication team.
                        Combat formations: 2nd armored car. regiment (BTR Stryker, but without tanks) in Germany, 173rd air des. brig. in Italy, 12th brigade arm. aviation in Germany (transporters, tankers, helicopters) has half the composition, 10th Air Defense Command (several batteries Patriot SAM). Well, the fact that you are sending a year an armored brigade to Germany, Poland and the Baltic states (87 tanks, 120BMP, a couple of hundred armored personnel carriers and other auxiliary equipment).
                        Air Force: 1 esc. in Germany F-16S \ D, 2 squadrons. in Italy F-16S \ D, 2 esc. F-15E and 1 F-15S \ D in England - in a truncated composition a little more than 70 fighter. There is a transport., Refueling, special. aviation (UAV).
                        This is EVERYTHING, nothing else !!!
                        From TNW - 120 B-61 bombs. The value of which is doubtful against Russia-will not reach, these are simple bombs. The Mildenhall base in England has recently been closed; the airfield is up for sale.
                        EuroNATO is no better.
                        Germany:
                        59tys Ground forces with 132 combat ready tanks, 69 Tornadoes + Eurofighter combat ready from 216 units; 12 combat-ready helicopters + 9 helicopters in naval aviation.
                        France:
                        50% combat-ready Rafale + 7t. personnel from a foreign legion of combatants. The example of the campaign of the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is indicative. A few dozen (max. A couple of hundred) sorties and home.
                        England has 5 thousand soldiers of high readiness, and light infantry. A maximum of a hundred combat-ready tanks.
                        Are you going to scare Russia with this? That's why Trump puts pressure on European partners - the United States is not ready to support its partners' pants anymore. And how are you going to deliver your missiles? laughing
                        Rodents are not better than Roofs. hi
                        Even Kazakhstan is capable of exhibiting more tanks than Germany + England + France.
                      2. +3
                        April 1 2017 11: 05
                        Tarar, it’s not at all a fact that in our country you and your striped Nousers will not be forced to eat a whip and they willn’t give a fuck for gingerbread ... Yes
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                    1. +2
                      31 March 2017 22: 57
                      What are you, I have a couch and not a sofa. To state the performance characteristics of a particular technique and put forward their point of view, the sofa stratech became known as? Well, where am I miserable for you, Generalissimo with 3 wars behind him. Stratech you are ours
                      1. +3
                        April 2 2017 18: 32
                        The FSA understands their game of cardboard, rather, they are more likely to advance the Lukashenko, Anavalny, and Loot Above All projects against Russia and sharpen the state from the inside, like the USSR. Well, putting on the border with Russia their sweaty armored fists at the request of the tribalt, Poles and other governments written out of fear is purely business, shifting the costs to those being covered.
                  4. +8
                    31 March 2017 19: 41
                    Quote: Ararat
                    Tanks in Europe will have to go through many settlements that are an ideal cover for ATGM calculations.

                    Again, hiding behind the civilian population? it is very in your opinion.
                    1. +3
                      31 March 2017 22: 55
                      Apparently the cities have ceased to be political and economic centers which all the armies of the world are trying to seize. If you follow your logic or lack thereof, then the defenders of Stalingrad, Leningrad, Moscow, Odessa and Sevastopol were all hiding behind civilians? Bravo, you’re a military strategist.
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                  5. 0
                    31 March 2017 19: 58
                    Brimstone ... Wangyu next will be called "epikak" (Isaac wassat lol )
                  6. +9
                    31 March 2017 21: 32
                    Quote: Ararat
                    Brimstone 2 hits over 25km from a helicopter. And helicopters are able to fly around the terrain to tanks that are storming the enemy’s defenses at full speed. Tanks in Europe will have to go through many settlements that are an ideal cover for ATGM calculations.

                    Make alliances with anyone, unleash any war, but never touch the Russians. Otto von Bismarck.
                    1. +2
                      31 March 2017 23: 00
                      I do not advocate hatred and aggression against the Russians. In my family and in my friends there is a lot of those. I just put forward my point of view about a possible clash between Russia and NATO countries. Where did I say that Russia should be attacked?
                  7. +4
                    April 1 2017 12: 30
                    there is one nuance, do you think that we will fight alone with tanks? Type fighter / attack aircraft / helicopters / air defense / electronic warfare / infantry
                    u / artillery - we won’t take war with us ??? Or in Europe fuel depots are bottomless and we don’t know their location, and they burn dogs very much if you bomb them properly?

                    Z.Y. I honestly did not think how hard Abrams was.
                    The Americans did not learn history and do not know how sadly everything happened with Tiger2 among the Germans ..
                    About the roads of Russia, well, they, in principle, hundreds of times to the west did not become any more, as there were before the war (1812 feel ) - so much remains, the coverage has become better, and even then not everywhere crying ...
                  8. 0
                    18 May 2017 05: 05
                    Brimstone 2 Max launch range: .... 11,2 km
                2. 0
                  31 March 2017 23: 26
                  I learned about this honestly recently. And this new Kornet-D rocket is already entering the troops, is there infa?
              2. +16
                31 March 2017 14: 43
                Quote: Ararat
                I don’t know when Russia will be able to rearm on the T-14 and how many will be delivered to the troops, but Helfire is also very capable of destroying it from 8 km. If there is no JAGM there will be British Brimstone. And what kind of Cornet that hits 8km, is it not 5.5km?

                Listen to you, there’s no cooler American weapon)))))) Ka-50-52 will sit and wait for the Apaches)) SAMs will also be picking their nose, and electronic warfare will be turned off altogether using a knife switch by mechanic John!)))))) If you are so cool, why do destroyers go blind, and the “great and terrible” ToW cannot destroy the latest tanks!
                1. +3
                  31 March 2017 16: 50
                  Quote: SergF123
                  If you are so cool, then why

                  Do our hackers choose a president for them? Their intelligence was reported to the box, which stands in their Capitol. Century, they say, will not see. All, they say, there is evidence, only they are secret, but you do not have the necessary access! Eh, Ararat does not look at the American box, does not read newspapers. , Everything sits in VO, hammering the clave. He lagged behind the new instructions of his own leadership;
                  1. +1
                    31 March 2017 23: 09
                    The State Department didn’t pay me a salary for March, so I’m sitting here.
                    1. +1
                      April 3 2017 12: 21
                      Can you tell me how to get there?
                2. +3
                  31 March 2017 17: 22
                  Totally agree with you. About the latest tanks you can not talk. A lot of shots from Syria show that TOW can not always cope even with the old ...
                  Quote: SergF123
                  Quote: Ararat
                  I don’t know when Russia will be able to rearm on the T-14 and how many will be delivered to the troops, but Helfire is also very capable of destroying it from 8 km. If there is no JAGM there will be British Brimstone. And what kind of Cornet that hits 8km, is it not 5.5km?

                  Listen to you, there’s no cooler American weapon)))))) Ka-50-52 will sit and wait for the Apaches)) SAMs will also be picking their nose, and electronic warfare will be turned off altogether using a knife switch by mechanic John!)))))) If you are so cool, why do destroyers go blind, and the “great and terrible” ToW cannot destroy the latest tanks!
                  1. +1
                    31 March 2017 23: 12
                    Any technique fails, there are no weapons that will give you a 100% guarantee of efficiency. I can’t say that there is no escape from Tou, I state the fact that his performance characteristics allow him to cope with any ground means. The main thing is to know where and when to beat and the rest is a matter for the technician.
                3. +3
                  31 March 2017 17: 45
                  Quote: SergF123
                  If you are so cool, why do destroyers go blind?

                  are these for example? Does that fake about Donald Cook still haunt you, or have you come up with something fresher?
                  1. +4
                    31 March 2017 18: 24
                    and what’s fake, then I’ve managed to get rid of jabs and blows with such tasks back in the 80s, if you know even by hearsay the names of these stations
                    1. +3
                      31 March 2017 18: 26
                      And what is the truth there? Well, explain where the firewood about "blinding"? Moreover, it is Khibiny who are not intended for such tasks and are not put on the Su-24?
                      1. +3
                        31 March 2017 23: 14
                        This is a religion, the Khibinist sect. They blindly believe that 27 quit and the whole ship went blind.
                  2. +12
                    31 March 2017 21: 55
                    Quote: Uralsky
                    Quote: SergF123
                    If you are so cool, why do destroyers go blind?

                    are these for example? Does that fake about Donald Cook still haunt you, or have you come up with something fresher?

                    In the 19th century, students learned French - they taught Napoleon, went to Paris ... In the 20th century they learned German - they hit Hitler, they got to Berlin ... Now everyone is learning English - in vain the Americans come to us, in vain ...
                    1. 0
                      31 March 2017 23: 02
                      Do you celebrate Friday?
                    2. +5
                      April 1 2017 11: 20
                      Quote: Berkut752
                      In the 19th century, students learned French - they taught Napoleon, went to Paris ... In the 20th century they learned German - they hit Hitler, they got to Berlin ... Now everyone is learning English - in vain the Americans come to us, in vain ...

                      Let me modify it: in the 21st century, students learn English. Yes, SUCH richness of choice we did not have ...
                4. +4
                  31 March 2017 21: 37
                  Quote: SergF123
                  Quote: Ararat
                  I don’t know when Russia will be able to rearm on the T-14 and how many will be delivered to the troops, but Helfire is also very capable of destroying it from 8 km. If there is no JAGM there will be British Brimstone. And what kind of Cornet that hits 8km, is it not 5.5km?

                  Listen to you, there’s no cooler American weapon)))))) Ka-50-52 will sit and wait for the Apaches)) SAMs will also be picking their nose, and electronic warfare will be turned off altogether using a knife switch by mechanic John!)))))) If you are so cool, why do destroyers go blind, and the “great and terrible” ToW cannot destroy the latest tanks!

                  From an explanatory note: “On that date, Sergeant John, on his patrol, discovered a dangerous criminal, a terrorist, in the crowd. For detention he was forced to use a service weapon. The offender was not found in the lists of dead and wounded.
                5. +2
                  31 March 2017 23: 08
                  As for the blinding destroyers and sailors who are leaving the service at the first appearance of the SU-24, tell this tale to the sectarians Khibinists, they drag themselves from this tale. I say that at the moment there are a lot of effective means of fighting against tanks and without support they will very quickly raid both yours and ours. I can’t stand that American weapons are super duper and Russian Khan. This is your inappropriate conclusion. You saw one video of Tou getting into the T-90 and you already drool with delight.
              3. +3
                31 March 2017 21: 29
                Quote: Ararat
                I don’t know when Russia will be able to rearm on the T-14 and how many will be delivered to the troops, but Helfire is also very capable of destroying it from 8 km. If there is no JAGM there will be British Brimstone. And what kind of Cornet that hits 8km, is it not 5.5km?


                Never believe Russian, for Russians do not even believe in themselves. - It is said before the beginning of the Berlin Congress of 1878, Otto von Bismarck.
                1. 0
                  31 March 2017 23: 15
                  Haha thank you, I have not heard that. What's true is true
                2. +1
                  April 1 2017 00: 25
                  And he said: “Do not ever fight the Russians.” For each of your military tricks, they will answer with unpredictable stupidity.
                  Quote: Berkut752
                  Quote: Ararat
                  I don’t know when Russia will be able to rearm on the T-14 and how many will be delivered to the troops, but Helfire is also very capable of destroying it from 8 km. If there is no JAGM there will be British Brimstone. And what kind of Cornet that hits 8km, is it not 5.5km?

                  Never believe Russian, for Russians do not even believe in themselves. - It is said before the beginning of the Berlin Congress of 1878, Otto von Bismarck.
          2. +7
            April 1 2017 00: 43
            In an open field and without any opposition to the target, i.e., the time of active flight and guidance. And on the air traffic control, mid-cut and wooded terrain, the detection distance is 2-3 km of the target for a helicopter, excluding urban buildings, plus smoke, flame and field dust the battle, not to mention the counteraction, comes down to the distance of visual visibility. All advertising characteristics are nullified, this is also the psychological state of the helicopter pilot under fire over the battlefield, not at all like a computer game.
          3. +1
            April 3 2017 17: 23
            Saturation of anti-tank systems is one thing, but efficiency is another thing - money is not enough! And why not immediately shoot gold, this is much more effective!
            1. 0
              April 3 2017 23: 50
              Which Western ATGM is ineffective against the T-72?
              1. +2
                April 4 2017 00: 24
                with the correct use of the modernized T-72, the answer is any
        2. +12
          31 March 2017 08: 53
          Quote: ramzes1776
          The number of helicopters in the division was impressive. In Soviet times, we did not have as many in the division, but now there will not be so many in the army.

          Traditions. Americans traditionally rely on aviation. We, again, traditionally, on artillery.

          Quote: ramzes1776
          And only a Apache tank platoon can destroy without entering the military air defense zone.

          Do you limit the "army air defense" only MANPADS and "Tunguska"?
          1. +2
            April 1 2017 00: 45
            We always, for a long time, universally recognized in the world, have the best air defense system
          2. +1
            April 2 2017 18: 42
            The familiar battalion commander with a BOD was very proud when he hit a target from a hundred, especially at age. The tank also has a suitable caliber. Russian they are ...
        3. +16
          31 March 2017 10: 07
          You have heard too much propaganda. this tank division of the 70-80s could suffer significant damage. Now a lot has changed. Changed and the protection of tanks, and their ability to deal with anti-tank missile defense, and means of cover. motorized infantry armament has also changed significantly - new means of rapid suppression of firing points have appeared.
          Means of active counteraction are also significantly improved - automatic firing of a smoke curtain, electronic warfare equipment. Tom Clancy's script will not go from the word at all.

          Now, in my opinion, NATO has only 3 trump cards in the fight against the tank unit - the use of drones, the use of new missiles such as the Israeli Spike and the use of mobile artillery, focused on high-speed shelling. Perhaps there is nothing more to surprise. However, the first two will be soon parried with the introduction of a new 57mm
          installations that can effectively shoot down both drones and a wide range of subsonic missiles, and the third trump card can only slightly complicate the progress, but not stop it. In general, now it’s far from easy to build anti-tank missiles even with the most modern means against a well-equipped tank division of the Russian Federation.
        4. 0
          31 March 2017 20: 08
          so after all, the helicopter is now the main enemy of the tank, not surprisingly.
          1. +2
            April 1 2017 00: 46
            in countries where weak air defense
          2. 0
            April 4 2017 10: 50
            A helicopter is the soul of a wrecked tank (s)
        5. +9
          31 March 2017 22: 35
          And only a Apache tank platoon can destroy without entering the military air defense zone.


          in theory it can destroy. In practice, everything is not so rosy

          Raid against the brigade of the Republican Guard Medina division on March 24, 2003
          30 of the 33 Apaches participating in the raid received combat damage. 1 helicopter was shot down, of the returned helicopters, only 7 remained flightable, 2 damaged were decommissioned. The crew of a downed helicopter was captured, and the helicopter was later destroyed by an air strike. The Apaches managed to knock out 12 Iraqi tanks. One of the Apache pilots miraculously managed to bring the car to the base after being wounded in the neck by a bullet from a Kalashnikov assault rifle, which had pierced the helicopter's armor.

          And this is against Hussein’s best but not the most powerful tank brigade in air defense. After a couple of such raids at the American division located near our borders, helicopters will end. Not to mention that our army air defense will be better than Iraq. Yes, and against ISIS tanks the Iraqi army uses our MI-24s and buys them, not praised Apaches. Once again, the liquidation of a tank platoon by one helicopter was not recorded anywhere, except in theory
        6. +4
          April 1 2017 19: 05
          Quote: ramzes1776
          Now there are so many kinds of anti-tank weapons that the number of tanks has absolutely no value.
          The number of helicopters in the division was impressive. In Soviet times, we didn’t have so much in the division, but now there won’t be so many in the army. And only a Apache can destroy a platoon of tanks without entering the military air defense zone.

          Yeah, they also invented all kinds of means against cockroaches, and they, Paskuds, live, and in some places even thrive. Especially in a warm climate ... laughing fellow
      2. +9
        31 March 2017 08: 49
        Quote: xetai9977
        The article is about nothing. There will be no tank throw. The era of Prokhorovka is long gone. Tanks, if they are involved, then only on a limited, local scale.

        Okay, there won't be a “tank throw.” We'll take this as an assumption.
        In this case, why did the Americans send “heavy” ones targeted to the offensive to Europe (brigade tactical group of 2 tank battalions, two motorized infantry at the Bradley, Special Forces battalion) instead of much more suitable for defense “light” (3 infantry battalions, the battalion Cn)?
        1. +1
          31 March 2017 14: 04
          remember Belgrade and its bombing.
          NATO has many interests in Europe; I’m not even sure that Russia is the largest.
      3. +1
        31 March 2017 09: 48
        it’s not a matter of strengths or weaknesses, but of the number of parking areas, i.e. bases on the border territory on which at one awesome moment anything can happen .....
      4. +10
        31 March 2017 10: 42
        But what do you say - is it decided here that Prokhorovka will not be? We have both the power and the capabilities, so if you need to get tired of it. Prokhorovka will not be in only one case, if this war will not be us.
      5. +12
        31 March 2017 11: 04
        What I really like about the structure of American ground units is their own helicopters, reporting only to the division commander. Not dowries, but ours, with which the interaction worked out from and to.
        1. +1
          April 1 2017 19: 19
          Quote: Maksus
          What I really like about the structure of American ground units is their own helicopters, reporting only to the division commander. Not dowries, but ours, with which the interaction worked out from and to.

          Thinking of the level of the divisor. And the front commander, for example, would prefer to concentrate all the striking means of aviation on the direction of the breakthrough, rather than spread across all divisions of the front.
          Actually, this is a question of rational use of the available resources of the army and, in particular, army aviation
      6. +10
        31 March 2017 12: 40
        Quote: xetai9977
        There will be no tank throw. The era of Prokhorovka is long gone.

        These are your speculations. The conflict in Ukraine shows the opposite.
        1. 0
          April 2 2017 18: 47
          KARTOS. On the outskirts, there is no war at all, as my company said - sluggish epilepsy, and mainly against civilians and infrastructure.
          1. +3
            April 2 2017 23: 48
            Quote: St. Propulsion
            KARTOS. On the outskirts, there is no war at all, as my company said - sluggish epilepsy, and mainly against civilians and infrastructure.

            I don’t know what your company said there, my company would answer you in Russian obscene. epilepsy is not epilepsy, but boilers were organized according to all the rules of military science.
      7. +8
        31 March 2017 14: 13
        Another opinion of the next couch strategist ... In the Donbass, war-tanks are present, yes, in Syria, war-tanks in bulk ... continue to list?
        1. 0
          31 March 2017 17: 47
          Quote: skarl
          in Syria war-tanks in bulk

          and in Syria, the enemy has aircraft and anti-tank weapons, in addition to outdated anti-tank systems?
      8. +11
        31 March 2017 14: 43
        they are weak, and we are strong, hurray, hurray, hurray


        I did not see any uri. The main message of the article is how quickly NATO tanks can advance across Russia. And the author is 100% right, they can only move on the roads. That is, in the modern realities of war, no way.

        But NATO’s preparations for war itself are alarming. Not on the issue of invasion, it will not be, the more so there will be no invasion of the troops of the Russian Federation. I am worried about possible rash scenarios of Russia's blockade in the Baltic. For example, to deploy a certain number of troops in a KO, NATO countries take and block air, sea and land communications. To start military transport, with civilian inspection. What will Russia do? And she will have no choice but to respond with military measures.
        1. +3
          April 1 2017 12: 51
          NATO countries take and block air, sea and land communications. To start military transport, with civilian inspection. What will Russia do? And she will have no choice but to respond with military measures.-well, for example:
          1) blocks the supply of gas / oil AT ALL,
          2) stops payments,
          3) throws cash Euros for a penny to everyone in a row - the main thing is to lose a lot (no one canceled inflation from them),
          4) stops the movement of freight vehicles,
          5) closes the railway transportation (fierce scribe for Europe, really fierce)
          6) nationalizes foreign property / funds
          7) I was just starting to fantasize .... the real way to answer the abyss-Turkey there were enough tomatoes ....
          It can be used both separately and together ...

          Z.Y. hacking banking servers of Visa, Master, Swift (with the transfer of a couple of zeroes to the accounts of our citizens from their companies fellow feel lol ) I don’t even propose, I’m not a beast, it will be worse than nuclear war for them ....
          1. +2
            April 3 2017 23: 55
            How many months will Russia last in the economic sense if Europe disconnects Russia from Swift, from the Internet, from GPS and from all currency transfers, etc. How long will Russia survive without selling gas and oil to Europe?
            1. +7
              April 4 2017 00: 19
              how long will Europe last without oil and gas? What will be the price of oil and gas on the world market and how will this affect the competitiveness of European goods?
              How will Europe survive the bankruptcy of its airlines at the closure of Russian airspace?
              What about the Russian analogue of SWIFT and the Russian payment system Mir, about which the Bank of Russia reported and have not heard about GLONASS in the mattress?
              The path of sanctions is the path of an idiot, there are hundreds of ways to introduce asymmetric counter-stations. Moreover, after the introduction of any sanctions, the victim adapts and becomes less dependent. In my opinion, the only country in the world that surrenders under sanctions is South Africa, the rest have lied on it and have been living like this for decades. sanctions on Iran for example? GDP increased six times since 1980 (the year of the imposition of sanctions), several times raised the level of education and health care, doubled the population, developed engineering, the nuclear and missile industries, and the road network. Iran, instead of buying all the western oil tanks, was forced to to develop itself, which has dragged the masses of people into the cities, raising their educational level and providing employment. What have you achieved with your sanctions? Have you created a powerful power, from which you are now trying to protect your feudal allies?
              1. +1
                April 5 2017 19: 48
                But what are the alternatives to Russia in energy supplies? The Middle East, North Africa, Norway, Canada, the USA, and Mexico have very large reserves of this raw material to help Europe with its needs. And Iran should not be forgotten, for your sake they will not shoot themselves in the foot, they will not want to sell at most. And the sanctions on Iran were mainly for the military industry and not the economic one. Only under Obama did economic. I just want to know your opinion, how much can Russia afford not to sell oil and gas to Europe?
            2. 0
              April 4 2017 11: 02
              AK, how much Europe will last without energy. Tankers with SG and terminals not to mention.
            3. 0
              April 22 2017 15: 03
              Quote: Ararat
              How many months will Russia last in the economic sense if Europe disconnects Russia from Swift, from the Internet, from GPS and from all currency transfers, etc. How long will Russia survive without selling gas and oil to Europe?



              Well, you can’t be so naive. I think age already allows you to grow out of sliders (clothes for babies). To know a lot about TTX is one thing, and to slander the soldier’s porridge itself is another. Well, it doesn’t work out for you dear to convince the local community. You write too biased ... And about how long Russia can last, you can try, since there is completely no sense of self-sacrifice and this is not commendable, just the history of the Russian state.
      9. +1
        31 March 2017 16: 20
        Yesterday, a military expert listened to Khodoryonka. He spoke about the role of tanks. But I have concerns about not tanks but longbow. They go there to Europe to hell.
      10. +5
        31 March 2017 17: 04
        Quote: xetai9977
        Article about nothing

        And why is the article about anything? Why are tank throws impossible in future war games? You are clearly indicated on the densely populated Europe. Is it not clear that hitting a hundred tanks with nuclear weapons (in case they break through to Europe) is at the same time destroying several millions of their own citizens along with factories, newspapers and steamboats. The effectiveness of other (apart from tanks) anti-tank weapons (90% - cumulative ammunition) has now fallen dramatically (see stories of the Middle East wars), in reality, a large armada of tanks can be broken through only with a similar armada. That is why spraying a tank fist in Europe is an extremely low-effective defense.
        Add to the fact that tank crews will not practice on their own vehicles (you can’t set up so many training grounds), they will ride one of them and practice on a dozen training tanks. The battle tanks standing in the “caches” will start up a couple of times a year (if the country-client pays for it, which FIGs will pay), therefore the tank crew will not even know the features of their own vehicle.
        If you add the fact that local protected villagers through the Internet are well aware that these tanks are easy to screw and sell ...
        1. +2
          April 1 2017 07: 55
          The United States had a plan for a nuclear attack on Western Europe — in the event our tank formations broke through — there. Maybe still there. Do not suspect the Americans of humanism - they never really suffered, only pretended to be. The US has no allies, with the possible exception of small-shaven, only vassals. I agree with the rest.
      11. +3
        31 March 2017 18: 21
        oh, milai, don’t say a more suitable means for breaking through a solid defense to the depths you haven’t yet invented, and no one has waged a real war in the conditions of the forest-steppe and steppe zones in the world since 45, so the focal war is only theoretical calculations
      12. 0
        April 1 2017 03: 16
        xetai9977, in general, recent events show that the world war, in terms of the twentieth century, most likely will never happen again, and the huge nuclear potential accumulated on both sides is to blame for this, but for small, local conflicts, like Syrian or Donbass, tanks showed their exceptional effectiveness both on defense and on the offensive. And the tank division in Poland is called upon to show Russia that it can be quickly deployed to the Donbass or to the Lviv region supposedly to help the current president.
      13. +2
        April 1 2017 14: 00
        Tanks are, first of all, a means of warfare in the INFECTED territory after the use of nuclear weapons! So it’s precisely what “mass application” in the case of the REAL war we will observe!
      14. 0
        April 3 2017 17: 20
        Judging by the way the Americans take Mosul, we really are not in danger, and this is not URY-URY-this is a fact!
        1. 0
          April 3 2017 23: 57
          Very Urya fact. How many American soldiers are participating in the direct assault? You know?
          1. 0
            April 4 2017 19: 03
            and how many Russian soldiers took Aleppo?
            1. 0
              April 5 2017 19: 50
              Aviation and artillery are many, but the infantry in Aleppo itself are meager.
              1. 0
                April 22 2017 20: 02
                We did not bomb during the assault by aircraft. Do not slander. If we would start bombing, how would you bomb Mosul. That on your part would be such a howl about a humanitarian catastrophe.
      15. 0
        7 November 2017 19: 42
        I must not agree, but there will be no throw, he is not needed. But as they say: who with what why, that from that and that! For example, in Estonia, almost all bridges are repaired and strengthened for the A-1 movement. Because even through the small fords, through which Soviet tanks passed, the A-1 was not able to pass. Even the unfortunate Strykers, they will be able to plant on the belly of an ordinary forest road ...
      16. 0
        28 February 2018 15: 38
        You, as one statesman put it, are preparing for the past war. So the French thought. The Germans did otherwise. And when the French moved the other way, the Germans did as the French thought, but the French were no longer there. It all depends on the circumstances. And maybe ten more Prokhorov.
    2. +16
      31 March 2017 09: 31
      Roman full respect! According to the journalist, the genre is sustained by all 5.
      But we discard statistics and long, well-founded reasoning. But what remains in the spin? But pure business remains. And it consists in the fact that someone (it is understandable) needs to discard the already unnecessary armored junk to the countries designated by the outcasts of the West as their "friends" and enemies of Russia. But the trouble is that all this is in quotation marks, and not in real life. As a result, countries with the assigned role to suck at the host for emphimeric pants in the form of looking at Europe without binoculars, there will be only quotation marks. hi
    3. +2
      31 March 2017 21: 19
      Quote: Teberii
      Looking through the idea in the article, only the A-1 with a jet engine spends almost 20 liters of fuel on the plant, and what will it do in winter. On the other hand, they are getting closer to us, and the roads are different.

      Of course, I wildly apologize, but I just start pissing by the knee, and all the engines start.
    4. 0
      April 1 2017 23: 42
      Russian roads are few, but different. But they will not fight on the roads
    5. 0
      April 4 2017 10: 37
      With a jet ... Or is there a gas turbine there, like on a t-80u? Well, yes, he spent 40% of fuel than the T-72. But Abrams, as the article goes, the main drawback is a lot of weight. The specific load is more than 1, like the Tiger.
  2. +10
    31 March 2017 06: 12
    Americans denote the presence, so to speak, mark the territory)
    Z.Y. At the first opportunity, the first and run away)
    1. +16
      31 March 2017 06: 32
      Quote: ImPerts
      Americans denote the presence, so to speak, mark the territory)

      my opinion is that the Americans are just seizing the bridgehead for missile defense and first-strike weapons.
      1. +7
        31 March 2017 06: 49
        Quote: Mystery12345
        bridgehead seize

        And tanks, armored personnel carriers and pistols for the protection of these bridgeheads.
        1. +6
          31 March 2017 09: 33
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          Quote: Mystery12345
          bridgehead seize

          And tanks, armored personnel carriers and pistols for the protection of these bridgeheads.

          of course ... estimate how much you need to attack Russia, well, not the same accumulation of scrap metal ...
      2. +14
        31 March 2017 07: 54
        Quote: Mystery12345
        my opinion is that the Americans are just seizing the bridgehead,

        Such forces are, of course, not enough for Russia, but it’s quite enough for European countries not to run away from NATO and the European Union.
        1. +3
          31 March 2017 09: 34
          Quote: SPACE
          Quote: Mystery12345
          my opinion is that the Americans are just seizing the bridgehead,

          Such forces are, of course, not enough for Russia, but it’s quite enough for European countries not to run away from NATO and the European Union.

          reasonably.
        2. 0
          31 March 2017 17: 50
          Quote: SPACE
          it’s enough for European countries to not run away from NATO and the European Union.

          What is one reason Europeans might want to flee NATO?
          1. +3
            31 March 2017 18: 25
            Loot, loot, loot, loot ... Well, and so on.
            And also sane leadership, which will come sooner or later.
            Who thought about 20 Brexit years ago?
            Well, and so on.
            Quote: Uralsky
            Quote: SPACE
            it’s enough for European countries to not run away from NATO and the European Union.

            What is one reason Europeans might want to flee NATO?
            1. 0
              31 March 2017 18: 30
              Quote: ssergn
              Loot, loot, loot, loot ... Well, and so on.

              Thanks to the patronage of the United States, they save a lot of dough.
              Quote: ssergn
              Who thought about 20 Brexit years ago?

              mixed horses in a bunch, people. What side does Brexit have to NATO?
              1. +1
                31 March 2017 22: 24
                Quote: Uralsky
                What is one reason Europeans might want to flee NATO?

                they will run from NATO like rats at the first opportunity.
                causes? the weakening of the United States, the rise to power of a non-pro-American ruler, war, the economy.
                1. +2
                  31 March 2017 23: 08
                  Quote: Egor. rustic
                  they will run from NATO like rats at the first opportunity.

                  so far, NATO has only expanded. Montenegro is right there. It turns out the opposite - they strive by all means. Yes, but not everyone is taken.
                  Quote: Egor. rustic
                  the coming to power of a non-pro-American ruler,

                  And there are many countries in the alliance where one person can solve such things?
                  Quote: Egor. rustic
                  war,

                  It was to protect against wars that the alliance was created.
                  Quote: Egor. rustic
                  economy.

                  Uhh Rot. About 70 years already. We would be so. wink
                  1. +1
                    April 1 2017 08: 04
                    Quote: Uralsky

                    It was to protect against wars that the alliance was created.

                    Northern Cyprus Turkey and Greece are both in NATO. AND? Maybe NATO at least helped reconcile the parties to the conflict? AND?
          2. +2
            31 March 2017 19: 26
            France escaped, so some reasons exist. Membership in NATO implies a common policy. And if someone wants to lead his own? What is not the reason?
            1. +1
              31 March 2017 23: 09
              Quote: Vladimir Pavlyuk
              France escaped, so some reasons exist.

              and now France is not in NATO?
          3. +2
            31 March 2017 22: 09
            Quote: Uralsky
            Quote: SPACE
            it’s enough for European countries to not run away from NATO and the European Union.

            What is one reason Europeans might want to flee NATO?

            Money, my friend, and nothing more. As soon as the "question" arises of payment for maintenance, repair .......
            1. 0
              31 March 2017 23: 10
              Money matters, on the contrary, on the side of joining the alliance.
              Without NATO, you will have to pay much more and more often.
          4. +2
            31 March 2017 22: 54
            1st reason: The price of the issue of membership in the club. Frau Chancellor has already indicated the amount. Cards turnips.
            I don’t think that the whole Europa will be ready to pull the tax on NATO from the Host.
            1. 0
              31 March 2017 23: 13
              Europeans spend less than the required 2% of GDP on their armies.
              Let's compare this figure with Russian spending, for example. Do not tell me how much there, 5-6% percent goes? Or more?
              1. +3
                April 1 2017 08: 14
                You want to say, the price tag of the Germans voiced by Trump is completely satisfied?

                We have over 25 years of armament is very outdated. We have to update at an accelerated pace, taking into account the current situation.
              2. 0
                April 1 2017 14: 03
                it was about 4% ... But this is temporary - while rearming :)
          5. +2
            April 1 2017 12: 56
            What is one reason Europeans might want to flee NATO?Why did you leave de Gaulle? Just like that? From sports interest- "How quickly can you get out of NATO ??"
      3. +1
        31 March 2017 08: 10
        weapons of the first strike in our time are not put up at the borders of a potential enemy ...
        1. +9
          31 March 2017 09: 35
          Quote: faiver
          weapons of the first strike in our time are not put up at the borders of a potential enemy ...

          yah? son, look at the map ... or are you from NATO?
          1. +1
            31 March 2017 13: 57
            tie dad play cards
            1. +1
              31 March 2017 22: 30
              Quote: faiver
              weapons of the first strike in our time are not put up at the borders of a potential enemy ...

              do you even know the causes of the Caribbean crisis?
              This is the installation of first strike weapons in Turkey and cubes.
              if then they removed from Cuba and Turkey, now they are in Turkey. also introduced in romania and poland.
              1. +2
                April 1 2017 06: 27
                you still remember capture Ivan the Terrible laughing
                1. 0
                  7 February 2018 22: 35
                  Quote: faiver
                  you still remember capture Ivan the Terrible laughing

                  You will probably be very surprised, but in principle, missile defense can be considered the weapon of the first strike. By the way, that was exactly what they believed in the 70s, under Ivan the Terrible
  3. +7
    31 March 2017 06: 40
    For more than 15 years, the U.S. Army has no longer been using Dragon ATGMs. The army and the ILC are all transferred to the Javelin and Tow 2 Saber anti-tank systems. I understand the author loves tanks very much, but how he suggests bringing 10,000 tanks on combat alertness, transporting them to the front, refueling, arming them and sending them into battle. Secondly, the author forgot that Europe collectively has more lethal devices. How will Russia protect this whole armada from the air? One division is an excuse to glow the whole situation and help will come later.
    1. +15
      31 March 2017 07: 14
      Russia implies - burning all Europe to the craps with one nuclear strike together with the USA! After that, the number of aircraft, TOUs and even tanks will not be there. Bo tank is of course the only weapon almost not afraid of radiation, but only the chyuloveks are sitting in them and they want to pee, and in general the tank can’t capture territory !!
      1. +5
        31 March 2017 08: 49
        I hope nobody presses the red button. Why not fight against Russia. No one will do this. If you want to lower Russia to your knees, you need to start with her friends. There will always be countries and politicians who will sell everyone and the main thing is to name the right price. Can Russia offer more?
        1. +7
          31 March 2017 14: 01
          There is just hope - that, if necessary, the red button will be pressed. The modern concept of the Russian war provides for the use of nuclear weapons in the event of a threat to our security.
          1. 0
            31 March 2017 17: 21
            Quote: Topotun
            The modern concept of the war of Russia

            actions of the capitalist state in a capitalist environment. With all the hostility to Ararat (that’s what nickname is, either the Turk of the Armenians clings to it, either an Armenian of the Turks, or an Englishwoman shits), he is right in this matter. Press the finger button is needed. It (finger) can be distracted by recounting bills, small, used. Here is the gentleman, forgiven for negligence, being among other things the Minister of Defense. Finger finger not distracted? Well, the Commander-in-Chief's fingers are not subject to suspicion. And while he is in the taiga, does his finger still watch? And in the bath? And in the steam room? You won’t take the button there, it will deteriorate from superheated steam?
          2. +5
            31 March 2017 20: 58
            Directly disclose military secrets.
            Well, someone in Russia will press a button, and then Russia itself will breathe what will it be? Even without the western answer, weather conditions, cyclones, there are different ones and anticyclones in Russia will bring this nuclear waste from Europe. This backstage even bribed nature. And Kurashavela will not remain, skiing, Spain not eating jamon, etc., But if, of course, you have been raised and raised in dugouts, then of course! Do not need anything. You will live! And then 3-4 months only. Then the living will envy the dead
            1. +2
              April 1 2017 13: 00
              Well, someone in Russia will press a button, and then Russia itself will breathe what will it be? Even without the western answer, weather conditions, cyclones, there are different ones and anticyclones in Russia will bring this nuclear waste from Europe. This backstage even bribed nature. - Actually, then EVERYTHING will be cyclones and other on the drum. Pressing the button will be reciprocal ...
            2. 0
              April 2 2017 13: 48
              Quote: Vz.58
              and then Russia itself will breathe what will be?

              And this question was prudently foreseen under the USSR. They thought, and according to arithmetic it turns out, if you blow ALL your own heads on their own territory, then here they (countries and NATO candidates) will envy us. But the Czechs will again deceive everyone - they will join the Russians and from the next world will observe the torment of the rest of the world.
        2. +1
          31 March 2017 17: 51
          Quote: Ararat
          If you want to bring Russia to your knees, you need to start with her friends

          and what friends did Russia have?
          1. +1
            31 March 2017 21: 00
            And who scattered friends and failed to find friends?
            1. 0
              7 February 2018 22: 41
              "If you want to bring Russia to your knees, you need to start with her friends." There were friends, but not very. All outbid. What are your US friends?
          2. 0
            31 March 2017 21: 01
            can Serbia? Well sometimes, when it is beneficial Kazakhstan, Belarus, Uzbekistan
            1. +2
              31 March 2017 23: 36
              Serbia already understood everything back in 1999.
              1. 0
                April 1 2017 21: 37
                Yeah, EBN has shown its weakness. Even Primakov quarreled with him because of his cowardice. drunk
              2. 0
                April 1 2017 22: 13
                All the same, my friends
          3. +1
            31 March 2017 22: 04
            Army and Navy!
          4. 0
            31 March 2017 23: 21
            I don’t know this, as long as there are countries that are profitable to be a part of Russia. Armenia needs Russia, Belarus also Tajikistan. Syria needs it at the most. As I said on another branch, the main thing is to find a seller and offer the right price. And as you know, they always are.
            1. +2
              31 March 2017 23: 35
              for whom from your list Russia is not a donor and advocate, but at least gets something useful?
              1. 0
                April 1 2017 01: 55
                This makes sense, all these countries receive assistance and protection from Russia. And Russia does not presume to speculate that. Maybe a bridgehead, maybe a buffer, it's just control. But the fact is that they are not friends of Russia in the literal sense
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        4. +2
          April 1 2017 08: 31
          In Russia, no one will press the red button. But in the USA, all the time they are trying to achieve a situation where they can press the red button and so that nothing comes back. Hence both Aegis and EuroPRO for protection against the DPRK. Or from Somalia? I forgot.
          As practice shows, Russia has no friends. The same as in the USA. Russia abandoned the practice of changing power in other countries. But the United States is ready to do this even to the detriment of itself. Forgot who changed power in Iran? And in Libya, Egypt, Iraq? Have you won a lot? Ukraine still hiccups so little will not seem to anyone. A nuclear power plant under the rule of banderlogs - you have to think of it ...
      2. 0
        April 1 2017 14: 09
        Concreteno Europe, taking into account the use of nuclear weapons there, the truth will "glow" in the process. 8-10 thousand charges in a small area - enough for every village! But Russia and the United States .... What is 1000-1500 charges (even if everyone flies! What is not a fact) for such territories? If you managed to hide from the epicenter in THREE QUARTERS - you are already LIVE (!). Three, quarter, QUARTER (three or four kilometers). And if you are in a tank, then in 20 minutes on foot from a nuclear explosion you will be combat-ready. With some luck.
        An attack through the place where the nuclear weapons had just exploded? Sure, not a problem! They tested, conducted exercises with natural explosions. There is still someone to tell - they are alive and healthy as much as they can be healthy at their age.

        In general, a peacekeeper will feel bad. But the military then AFTER the apocalypse of exchange of blows will fight. Just the same on tanks and other armored vehicles.
    2. +13
      31 March 2017 09: 00
      Quote: Ararat
      Secondly, the author forgot that Europe collectively has more lethal devices. How will Russia protect this whole armada from the air?

      Very simple. Destroying NATO aircraft at airfields with tactical nuclear strikes.

      Quote: Ararat
      One division is an excuse to glow the whole situation and help will come later.

      If there will be where to come. I'm afraid that by the time American units sail to European ports, they will already be destroyed by nuclear attacks. And what is most unpleasant, American ports will also be the same radioactive ruins.
      1. +2
        31 March 2017 21: 03
        But Russia will remain uncoupled and radioactive dirt and thousands of cubic meters of dust in the atmosphere will allow you to live comfortably? You probably have a good place in EP
    3. +1
      31 March 2017 14: 01
      Secondly, the author forgot that Europe collectively has more lethal devices. How will Russia protect this whole armada from the air? - naturally nuclear weapons: destruction of airfields, fuel / weapon depots, etc. by the list.
      1. +3
        31 March 2017 14: 27
        Hey fans of nuclear weapons. You did not forget that NATO also has it and to hell? That's all these 10000 tanks and they will sadan if we proactively apply our own. Absolutely without brains or what? The presence of nuclear weapons on both sides is a guarantee of its non-use.
        1. +5
          31 March 2017 14: 41
          you can now directly surrender and crawl to the cemetery, if NATO (USA) does not have brains, they will think that we will not use locally nuclear weapons, but will stoically resist 5 times the total biomass ... yeah, right now.
          1. 0
            31 March 2017 17: 23
            Quote: shans2
            that we do not apply locally nuclear weapons

            we will apply. But who will give it to us?
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            2. 0
              April 1 2017 08: 48
              NATO. From their warehouses. Who else
          2. +1
            31 March 2017 23: 23
            As mentioned by the GDP, the creation of small tactical bombs of 1-2 kilotons makes the use of nuclear weapons very possible.
        2. +1
          31 March 2017 16: 16
          Under certain circumstances, nuclear weapons can become a guarantor of use. When one side tries to use conventional weapons in the hope that the other will endure ....
        3. +1
          April 1 2017 11: 34
          Nah, the Americans had a priority in a vigorous strike (at least earlier) in large cities and launchers. This is strategic, of course. And with the tactical one it’s more difficult, you still have to go through air defense / missile defense.
          1. +1
            April 1 2017 14: 15
            What the Americans and NATO will bullet there, and even in Europe, is an interesting question. But, apparently, they don’t have a habit of sticking “special charges” at EVERYTHING anything, from 152 mm howitzers, air defense systems, and ending with tactical missiles like Iskander, torpedoes, anti-ship missiles and more! In order to use TNWs against them, our anti-aircraft defense does not need to be suppressed - it was sadanul from a plain cannon with a shell - and "mushrooms grow" in 20 kilometers. The old air defense system worked out - 100-200 kilometers "with a twinkle" ... Do not forget that our "Systems" all know how to work on the ground, if necessary. Not particularly accurate .. But whoever considers meters there, when charged in X kilotons? :)
            1. +1
              April 4 2017 19: 36
              And this is good!..
      2. 0
        April 1 2017 08: 45
        Almost all drones do not even have primitive protection against electronic warfare. It is proved repeatedly. Too used to fighting with the Papuans. They have few planes - for the army air defense is not a problem. Helicopters - may make you sweat. But only that.
        Naturally, all this is from the standpoint of theory. In practice, much depends on coherence, the talent of commanders, and the ability to coordinate troops. According to general estimates, Russian troops are more coherent, organized. But with EW technology, there may be surprises. Both from us and from them. And this can greatly affect the result.
    4. 0
      31 March 2017 14: 09
      bring a tank a little - you need to equip it with an experienced crew
      and conduct combat coordination of the formed part.
      ps with regard to aviation, it is only necessary to cover the small areas of the offensive, everything else should cover the stationary systems
    5. +2
      31 March 2017 17: 23
      Quote: Ararat
      How will Russia protect this whole armada from the air?

      He joined the discussion in the evening, as he devoted a working day to putting into combat several of the 10 tanks ...
      Somewhat earlier, I already pointed out that aviation with its cumulative can no longer be a guarantor of the destruction of a tank armada. Helicopters generally relax when attackers even have very primitive air defense systems (see Syrian chronicles). It is clear that the loss of tanks will be significant, but they will fulfill their task.
      Of course, it is possible to fill up the polyurop with hydrogens (although it is safer in the tank in this case too).
    6. +1
      31 March 2017 22: 16
      Quote: Ararat
      For more than 15 years, the U.S. Army has no longer been using Dragon ATGMs. The army and the ILC are all transferred to the Javelin and Tow 2 Saber anti-tank systems. I understand the author loves tanks very much, but how he suggests bringing 10,000 tanks on combat alertness, transporting them to the front, refueling, arming them and sending them into battle. Secondly, the author forgot that Europe collectively has more lethal devices. How will Russia protect this whole armada from the air? One division is an excuse to glow the whole situation and help will come later.

      Learn history, this is the most accurate science.
    7. +1
      31 March 2017 22: 36
      Quote: Ararat
      Europe collectively has more lethal devices

      and Russia has an order of magnitude more air defense systems - which is much cheaper and easier to replenish
      Quote: Ararat
      how he proposes to bring 10,000 tanks on alert, transport them to the front, refuel, arm and send them into battle

      Russia has experience how to keep arming and driving 50.000 tanks at the same time. and at least yes in 1986, regular exercises were conducted in the territory of the German Democratic Republic of the massive use of several thousand tanks
      1. 0
        31 March 2017 23: 37
        Then yes, during the Cold War it was possible and necessary. But at the moment it will be a titanic effort to bring such an armada into a state of combat. I have no doubt that Russia will master it, but the costs will be higher than the roof.
        1. +1
          April 1 2017 14: 19
          She will master it only if the situation assumes that the "costs" already do not care.
    8. +1
      April 1 2017 09: 39
      Forget about Javelin already. Do you often use this prodigy in Iraq? If there is US special forces there. Something not to hear. From the word at all.

      Yes, we are already aware that the United States needs war and conflict. The bigger, the better. After wild profits from two world wars, the United States simply wants to make a third. The benefits above all.

      The author recalls that these tanks are in storage, and they can be revived if necessary and delivered to the place of hostilities and used as intended. It is if necessary.

      NAT aircraft, like the whole army, are designed for war with the Papuans, this is a known problem. Unmanned aerial vehicles do not have protection against electronic warfare; all of them feel like it — ours in Crimea on Perekop, Iran are the latest top-secret US development (a well-known scandal). Airplanes and helicopters are a very interesting question. If the Russian air defense turns out to be just as effective as they say, NATO will not have freedom of action. Absolutely. Or they’ll run out quickly - compare the US losses in Vietnam and the current number of manned aircraft in Europe.
      1. 0
        April 1 2017 11: 34
        I can’t forget about Javelin. Good weapons are not forgotten. Unlike almost everyone on this forum, I saw, held in my hands and do not believe it shot from it. Just because you don’t hear about them does not mean that they are not and are not being used. There is at least one video that I saw where the Kurds from Javelina destroyed a suicide car.
        1. 0
          April 1 2017 13: 57
          Good thing, Javelin, I guess. But how can she help in the war with Russia ?! If it helps, then it’s no more than ToU and other bullets. Or maybe even less - all the same, the calculation of Javelin works from a distance of a typical target for weapons of Russian armored vehicles (2KM), and the latest ToU models are twice as far ... Heh ...
          1. 0
            April 4 2017 00: 04
            So what? The fact that the maximum distance at Javelin 2km, he becomes trash? There is such a fun thing he shot and forgot, she will do everything herself after that. If you follow your logic, then all RPGs become useless trash
  4. +12
    31 March 2017 07: 18
    "sleep well, Europe. But do not forget to transfer payments on time. Although ... there are enough divisions to remind"
    Isn't this the main thing in the whole story ....
    1. +4
      31 March 2017 22: 43
      Quote: alex-cn
      Isn't this the main thing in the whole story ....

      Yes, that’s logical. The operation and maintenance of the abrashi - ... in a word, a lot. And here is the topic: to go "to zero", at the expense of the "receiving side", and there the profit went, "for services". In a word - tanks "in growth". Yes
  5. +11
    31 March 2017 07: 33
    The Americans are well aware that Russia without necessity (the outbreak of war) will not go to the Baltic States or other European countries. It is clear that these divisions, battalions, etc. needed to indicate their presence, consolidation in these countries on an ongoing basis, and "containment of Russia" - empty words. Poles, Balts, Ukrainians for them are ordinary suckers, who can show off stale goods in a show, - NATO’s readiness to protect its allies. And the American military-industrial complex needs profits.
    1. +2
      31 March 2017 17: 53
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And the American military-industrial complex needs profits.

      profits are necessary for any defense industry. Rosoboronexport will not lie.
      1. +1
        April 1 2017 11: 38
        Yeah. And to the bases in the territory of which country in a state of peace are we transferring additional armored units for marketing to "suckers"?
  6. +7
    31 March 2017 07: 34
    Hedgehog (accidentally surviving in the forests near Moscow), it is clear that the tank division, "spread" across Europe, is not a combat unit, but rather a demon. As for the tank throw to the Lamansh, it’s somehow not modern, or something. But, if anything, no Javelins will stop the massive offensive of tank armies. And aviation should not count on likely opponents. Since no one canceled our army air defense.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 19: 41
      This "blurry", if necessary, will disappear in two days. And instead of smearing, you can get a compact group on the right site. Remember the 41st. The tanks were deep in the rear, and then again, and they were all on the border.
      1. +2
        31 March 2017 21: 06
        Do you remember the 41st?
        1. +2
          April 1 2017 11: 39
          You are not? Although, yes, the Czechs then worked well for the German army, so they chose to forget.
  7. +6
    31 March 2017 08: 00
    Quote: xetai9977
    The article is about nothing. There will be no tank throw. The era of Prokhorovka is long gone. Tanks, if they are involved, then only on a limited, local scale. Another article from the series "they are weak, and we are strong, hurray, hurray, urry"

    ------------------------------
    I don’t know what about the tanks, but in the form of missiles, the war will immediately reach the United States and it’s kind of announced. And reading that our strategic missiles are more modern at the moment, whether it comes to tanks is a big question.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 22: 21
      How good it is to sleep and see sweet dreams. In the morning, reach out and have a cup of fresh coffee from Russian plantations. Or from Belarus.
      Mine-based ballistic missiles (meaning YA) from the United States will fly to targets in Russia for up to 40 minutes, depending on the launch site and the area of ​​destruction. KR longer. I'm not talking about missiles with submarines. The same goes for Russian missiles. If we compare the territory of the dispersal of Russian warheads for priority objectives in the United States and the territory of the dispersal of US warheads for priority objectives in Russia, it is clear that the Russian strike will be more concentrated and will cause greater damage to the US side, most importantly in the area of ​​casualties between the civilian population, well, Of course California. Geography, however, and territory and tectonics!
      So the USA is trying to create its bases wherever possible. They guard their citizens!
      1. +1
        April 1 2017 11: 42
        Quote: Vz.58
        So the USA is trying to create its bases wherever possible. They guard their citizens!

        Freshly legend ... And to protect its citizens, the United States poked more than 600 military bases around the world? Here it is not necessary, please, hang noodles on the ears, otherwise they already threaten to break away from the weight that lies on them.
      2. 0
        April 1 2017 14: 21
        The distribution of the population in the United States is more even than in Russia - this has already been analyzed. It is believed that the percentage loss in Russia will be greater. In other matters, this is naked mathematics. But it is worth remembering that the Russians are ready to survive in any conditions. And the fact that war can happen at any moment is remembered by the "genes" - at any moment, without tantrums and shocks, they will switch to the "combat mode".
    2. 0
      April 1 2017 00: 20
      Quote: Altona
      whether it comes to tanks is a big question.

      come and do not hesitate.
      nuclear weapons cannot destroy all living things. and as the Chernobyl accident showed, the bombing of Japan radiation is not such a terrible thing people still live in radiation enough to fight and give birth to children.
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    1. +7
      31 March 2017 09: 40
      Quote from rudolf
      Actually, it is precisely because of the enclave that all this butch in the Baltic is now happening.

      eh, they did not correctly solve this question after the Second World War ... and even "Gorbachovsuk" ... recourse
      1. +1
        31 March 2017 17: 54
        something always hurts a bad dancer
    2. +1
      31 March 2017 10: 10
      Quote from rudolf
      The Americans' goal is to isolate Russia, limit the influence of its own borders, weaken economically, and deprive access to new technologies.

      And how can the Abrams at our borders be attached to this goal?
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        1. +11
          31 March 2017 11: 26
          Quote from rudolf
          I wrote, the Kaliningrad enclave.

          And?
          NATO is trying to eliminate the Kaliningrad enclave. Russia, possessing lesser military forces in this area, is the first to use tactical nuclear weapons. In response, tactical nuclear weapons are used by NATO. In response, Russia is carrying out nuclear strikes at tact locations. Nuclear weapons in Europe, i.e. destroys all air bases and large airports. In response, the United States is delivering a nuclear strike on Russian territory. Having discovered its fact, Russia is delivering a reciprocal counter-massive nuclear strike against the United States.
          Result: US and Russia turned into a nuclear desert. Together with Europe. The leading world power is China.

          Question: Is this the goal of the USA - self-destruction?
          1. +4
            31 March 2017 12: 58
            Quote: Spade
            Question: Is this the goal of the USA - self-destruction?


            You yourself answered your question - in the presence of tactical nuclear weapons and a strategic arsenal of nuclear weapons - a conflict is unlikely.
            And the politicians of both sides who were slouched from the army, but at the same time zealously scare them with military intervention, I would send marching, digging trenches of the full profile for 30 days, and to keep them a couple of hours for shelling - well, for prevention.
            I believe that they will become such champions of the world!
            1. 0
              31 March 2017 13: 16
              Quote: DimerVladimer
              You yourself answered your question - in the presence of tactical nuclear weapons and a strategic arsenal of nuclear weapons - a conflict is unlikely.

              Question: why increase the likelihood of using nuclear weapons, and under an absolutely contrived pretext?
              1. 0
                April 1 2017 09: 48
                Hotz money. No other reason
              2. +1
                April 3 2017 10: 20
                It is precisely in what foreign policy is determined by people who have grown up in a certain competitive environment, where chatter (publicity and the ability to speak convincingly) and money determine the significance of a particular political character. Those who did not serve in the army, did not experience for themselves that there was a war, did not go under fire - they very vaguely imagine a real threat of confrontation and act on the principle of "weak". Trying at the fortress, not realizing that each step is an increase in the threat of disruption in an uncontrollable conflict.

                I would like to dwell in more detail on the figure of Senator McCain (John Sydney McCain III) - a former pilot, shot down in Vietnam and who was held captive - politics - a "hawk", a supporter of confrontation.

                Leaving aside his strange statements, quite possibly related to his senile age, it should be noted that he comes from the elite of the American military establishment (McCain’s grandfather and father were admirals of the US Navy) - that is, from an environment where it’s publicly accepted to be " hawks. " The McCain rhetoric is superimposed on the humiliation of the captivity in which he fell because of a Soviet-made anti-aircraft missile. Therefore, such characters will always be publicly for the war, although they can wake up at night in a cold sweat from the word Vietkong.
            2. 0
              April 1 2017 14: 24
              Before World War II, earthlings also had the experience of millions of victims, and weapons of mass destruction (chemical and biological), and much more. Stopped?
          2. +3
            31 March 2017 17: 23
            Why does the US need this? Why should they take a chance? The richest country, which has everything, to which the best minds and talents of the world leave, will not take that risk.
            It is enough to pull and weaken the Ukraine and Georgia ...
            The Russian Federation, even in a dream, will not drag out an economically cold war, not only with NATO or the United States, even with Texas alone ... it is necessary to rebuild society, and not feed Courchevel. Right Dimon?
            1. +4
              31 March 2017 18: 25
              Quote: tforik
              Russia, even in a dream, will not pull an economically cold war

              Why?
              In the last Cold War, China was on the US side. Now everything is exactly the opposite.
              Therefore, the question should be: will the United States draw a new cold war with China with its resource support from Russia and with only formal support from the allies in Europe?
              1. +1
                31 March 2017 18: 44
                China is not on our side, it pursues its own interests and benefits. China and the United States have much more in common and are much more dependent than we think. It’s through our central channels that the shots and the buzzwords are stronger about their relationship. What has China done for us? He didn’t give money when the payback was in 2015 on loans (Putin personally flew to Xi to ask for money), they didn’t finance the pipe (the contract for $ 30bn the power of Siberia, which they shouted loudly), he was ready to partially finance if they build .. not much from such friendship, and friendship is only beneficial.
                .
                The USSR did not pull with its mighty economy and a bunch of allies, - the Russian Federation with our oil budget, Courchevel, oil dollars and a collapsed industry cannot be pulled. US budget revenue is 15 times more than ours, labor efficiency is many times higher.
                They are the ones who are selling us Boeing, Windows and iPhones, and soon they will be selling Tesla, energy banks and atlases all over the world.
                .
                It is necessary to rigidly lead the country, to really plant and shoot (as in China), and not to coax the power vertical with money, bloated contracts and kickbacks larger than the production body.
                1. +3
                  31 March 2017 19: 15
                  Quote: tforik
                  China is not on our side, it pursues its own interests and benefits. China and the United States have much more in common and are much more dependent than we think.

                  Blah blah blah ... General reasoning ... Let's get the facts. Well, for example, even under Bush the elder adopted the foreign policy concept of "countering regional hegemons", in which China was named the main adversary as a player threatening the interests of the United States. Around the same time, in 1992, the military concept of the Air-Sea Battle appeared, the only application of which could be China.
                  Actually, from that time a small unilateral arms race in China began to spin. Moreover, the main emphasis is placed on the fleet, up to the reduction of ground forces to minimize their costs.
                  The United States even under Obama began to create the "great anti-Chinese wall," even trying to put up with Vietnam. The grouping of US troops in the Pacific region is growing.
                  These are the facts. And their "incorrect coverage of the Russian media" can not be refuted.
                  1. 0
                    31 March 2017 20: 28
                    If there is any friction between them, then who said that they will help us? So far only words and only. and trade between the United States and China is even greater than the Russian Federation and China! (on our side, as you said))
                    1. +1
                      April 1 2017 00: 36
                      Quote: tforik
                      So far only words and only. and trade between the United States and China is even greater than the Russian Federation and China!

                      turn on at least elementary logic.
                      What does China want? to be the first economy (country) of the world
                      who does not want this in the first place? USA
                      the United States cannot become a direct conflict. it’s just technically impossible to return all the plants in the USA and there are no cheap workers in the USA.
                      and Russia is preventing the United States from simply seizing China by military means (which the United States and NATO can do)
                      therefore, as usual, the first goal of the Russian Federation is then China
                      China does not need a strong RF and a weak one is unnecessary. those. they will not help but will not give a break.
                      1. 0
                        April 1 2017 09: 51
                        The train of thought is good. Full endorsements
                      2. +1
                        April 1 2017 21: 43
                        Which military path are you talking about? Why should the United States capture China?))) Why should the most prosperous and richest country attack someone where there are risks to get?
                        China depends on the United States more than any other country, all of their "miracle" thanks to the United States. If they quarrel, China will lose more ... in Asia there are many countries with cheap labor, the same as Vietnam. Enough to believe the box, where they say about the enmity of China and the war!
      2. +3
        31 March 2017 12: 24
        The presence of Africans on the Abrases, and even on a mortar with a broomstick - the answer to the so-called. the "doctrine" of Patrushev.
        The fact is that Mr. Patrushev published two documents on this matter, one of them was an interview, the other was an article in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta and Izvestia on October 15-16. And there he directly proposed expanding the list of those situations in which Russia is ready to use nuclear weapons. Throughout the post-Soviet period, in my opinion, a fairly balanced doctrine was adopted in the Russian Federation. 
        Its essence boils down to the following: Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in the event of a nuclear attack on it, which is natural in the event of an attack using conventional weapons, but of such a scale that it endangers the very existence of the Russian state.
        Imagine, for example, that millions of Chinese are moving towards us, whom we cannot stop with conventional weapons. In such and similar conditions, Russia can use nuclear weapons. This is practically literally written off from the doctrine that NATO had during the Cold War. In my opinion, a reasonable enough wording.
         
        So Patrushev wanted to change this dramatically. He suggested writing that Russia is ready to use nuclear weapons in regional and even local conflicts. Such a widespread use of vigorous weapons is something that never occurred to either Soviet or American leaders in their time.
        Patrushev's proposal was not accidental. All this year, the top leadership of Russia has been continuously engaged in nuclear blackmail. They said they could destroy the Baltic states, Poland, and even use nuclear weapons if the West starts selling weapons to Ukraine. Whoever has not spoken about this, from Vladimir Zhirinovsky to reputable military experts.  
         
        Nuclear blackmail was also part of a hybrid war against the Baltic countries. After all, Moscow really seriously thought of such a scenario: green men appear in Estonia, Latvia and begin to implement the concept of the Russian world. There is also a Russian minority, which Putin considers his sacred duty to protect. But the Baltic countries are NATO members, and the Alliance must come to their aid. NATO forces, of course, can throw green men out within a few hours, no matter in which composition they come there. But then, according to Russian leaders and experts, Russia will be ready to use nuclear weapons.
        The plan was this: threatening to force the West to refuse to come to the aid of the Baltic countries and thereby not fulfill its obligations under Article 5 of the NATO Charter. Nuclear blackmail lasted all year.
         
        The calculation was that Obama was a weak president, and why should the Americans intervene in the struggle for some distant pieces of land? Politically, Moscow asked them the following question: are you ready to die for Narva? 
         
        But NATO reacted quite harshly to this blackmail. At the beginning of September, at a summit in Wales, a decision was made to deploy a permanent NATO contingent in the Baltic and Poland, and this is now being implemented. There are, among other things, American troops. Their number there is purely symbolic, say, 200 people in Estonia and Latvia. But this has tremendous psychological and political significance. American soldiers are essentially suicide bombers. Their presence means: if green polite little men appear there, then Russia will automatically be involved in a full-scale military clash with the United States. 
        Having deployed their military in the Baltic countries and Poland, the Americans turned the Putin question, with which he blackmailed the United States, about their readiness to die for Narva, towards Putin, Patrushev and this whole company.
         
        Nuclear blackmail essentially failed. And apparently the consciousness of this failure made the Patrushevsky aggressive formulation about the use of nuclear weapons in regional and even local conflicts already pointless. In the new military doctrine, the wording remained the same, and this confirms that the Kremlin realized that nuclear blackmail (an attempt to raise rates and force the west to abandon the protection of NATO countries) failed. This is the story of the discussion that went on throughout the year around the text of the new Russian military doctrine.
        I repent. Not mine. This is a squeeze of an article by A. Piontkovsky. "Are you ready to die for Narva?"
        There is also such an answer to the symbolic presence of NATO in the Baltic states. And do not compare the width of the tracks. Things must be looked at more broadly, Comrade Skomorokhov.
        1. +8
          31 March 2017 12: 36
          Quote: Alex Medved
          The presence of Africans on the Abrases, and even on a mortar with a broomstick - the answer to the so-called. the "doctrine" of Patrushev.
          The fact is that Mr. Patrushev published two documents on this matter, one of them was an interview, the other was an article in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta and Izvestia on October 15-16. And there he directly proposed expanding the list of those situations in which Russia is ready to use nuclear weapons.

          How sweet ... Fight "nuclear blackmail" by increasing the likelihood of using these nuclear weapons. And even defeat this blackmail !!!

          I apologize, it seems that in the West, in general, they are completely inadequate in power. Absolute.

          "Aggressive Russia" is much weaker than NATO in the field of conventional weapons. And the only way to balance forces is tactical nuclear weapons. Therefore, the more troops will be deployed near the borders of Russia, the earlier the tact. Nuclear weapons will be applied.
          1. +1
            31 March 2017 12: 50
            Therefore, there they are minuscule. No one is going to fight. Neither NATO nor Russia.
            Oddly enough, many sincerely believe that since the end of the Cold War, the number of NATO armies has not changed much. Often you can hear nonsense about 800 Western VO tanks against 23 thousand (!!!) NATO tanks, and in Europe. Although even at the end of the Cold War, NATO did not have so many of them.

            In 1990, the US Armed Forces amounted to 2,4 million people, while they were aimed mainly against the USSR, and the sphere of influence and the US military presence in the world were much smaller. Directly in Europe, the Americans held a group of 250 thousand people. In addition, Germany and France had 500 thousand armies, and several thousand tanks. After the collapse of the USSR, the US armed forces underwent a significant reduction (due to the elimination of the global threat represented by the Soviet Union) and now make up 1,4 million people, of which less than 500 thousand are ground forces. The technical composition of the US Army has also been significantly reduced. At the same time, the sphere of influence of the United States has grown for the same reason, and the US military presence in the world has grown significantly, as a result of which American troops have been scattered throughout most of the globe. In this regard, US forces in Europe have been reduced several times. Now the Americans in Europe have a little more than 100 thousand military personnel, but the overwhelming majority are service personnel of various military bases in Germany, Italy and Eastern Europe. The “combat” units there can be counted on the fingers. In particular, out of combined arms formations, only TWO brigades remained there. During the Cold War, the Americans in Germany had huge warehouses of “quick deployment” with equipment and ammunition, where at a threatening moment the personnel had to be deployed through the air and quickly deploy full-fledged military formations, but they had long been eliminated.

            NATO countries have so reduced their armies at times, and against the background of what was towards the end of the Cold War, they look just ridiculous. For example, in the Bundeswehr, which in 1990 had several thousand tanks, only about 250 tanks were planned in the course of the latest reform, and the number of combined arms units is only 15 battalions (!!!). As a result of a strong reduction in numbers, and especially at times in technology, the European countries of NATO are guided primarily by peacekeeping operations, and by local wars in the countries of the Third World. As you can see, during the time that has passed since the collapse of the USSR, not only the army of the Russian Federation was reduced.
            1. +2
              31 March 2017 13: 02
              Quote: Alex Medved
              Oddly enough, many sincerely believe that since the end of the Cold War, the number of NATO armies has not changed much. Often you can hear nonsense about 800 Western VO tanks against 23 thousand (!!!) NATO tanks, and in Europe. Although even at the end of the Cold War, NATO did not have so many of them.

              According to The Military Balance 2015, European NATO countries in the ranks (that is, not in storage, but in combat units) there were 6976 tanks. Including the USA and Canada, 9781 tanks. Throughout Russia - 2750 tanks
              Question: Why does the peace-loving NATO bloc have so many?
            2. +7
              31 March 2017 14: 35
              Stop smoking all sorts of rubbish and the holidays are over today, to school.
            3. 0
              31 March 2017 17: 35
              Quote: Alex Medved
              You can often hear nonsense

              And read it. So you signed. In the fight against the dictatorial regime with a club hit? On the head?
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        3. +1
          31 March 2017 16: 36
          if green polite little men appear there, then Russia will automatically get involved in a full-scale military clash with the United States - yes, you guys already dream about it))
        4. 0
          April 1 2017 00: 51
          Quote: Alex Medved
          Alex Bear

          this is all the squeeze from the Western press. for the western man in the street.
          in reality, NATO troops in these small countries in order to control these countries.
          in short, colonies and satellites were made from these countries.
    3. 0
      31 March 2017 22: 50
      Well, everything is as usual. We are smart and strong, Americans are stupid and weak. They were going to fight with one division all over Russia. What for? The Americans' goal is to isolate Russia, limit the influence of its own borders, weaken economically, and deprive access to new technologies. And they are doing it quite successfully, at least in the European part. First, the countries of the former social bloc, then the former Soviet republics: Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Georgia, Ukraine. We already have no buffer zone in Europe.
      If we talk about a hypothetical conflict with the Americans, then first of all we need to remember about Kaliningrad. And here the tank division is a very serious argument. Moreover, they don’t even have to attack, just enter a transport blockade from Lithuania, Poland, the Baltic Sea and we have nothing left to do but climb on our own, declaring war on Estonia and Latvia along the way, i.e. attack NATO countries. Actually, it is precisely because of the enclave that all this butch in the Baltic is now happening.


      The buffer zone and the (theoretical) NATO-RF battlefield is Belarus. By the way, our only real ally. And they are still there
  9. BAI
    +3
    31 March 2017 09: 50
    Well, speaking of Iskander, bases and factories in the Urals, one must keep in mind that these bases and factories live during the war - a few hours. If the Iskanders destroy NATO bases, then ANACMS and MGM will also destroy ours.
    1. +3
      31 March 2017 10: 12
      Quote: BAI
      Well, speaking of Iskander, bases and factories in the Urals, one must keep in mind that these bases and factories live during the war - a few hours. If the Iskanders destroy NATO bases, then ANACMS and MGM will also destroy ours.

      Do you think that European countries are ready to receive nuclear strikes on their territory for the interests of the United States?
      1. +3
        31 March 2017 10: 39
        European states are not going to attack. They don’t get involved in a war from a good life. What do we need death and destruction for?
        1. +5
          31 March 2017 11: 32
          Quote: Vz.58
          European states and attack are not going to

          Naturally. That is precisely why troops are peacefully concentrated near our borders. As in 1941. What, past "peace-loving interventions" was not enough?

          Quote: Vz.58
          What do we need death and destruction for?

          Great question. Ask his masters from across the ocean.
          1. +1
            31 March 2017 12: 47
            I don’t know who you mean by the word "hosts from across the ocean." Venezuela? I used to try to host the USSR. Now is not the time. And in the EU we have our own head and the States are treating us with care. We don’t have a job
            1. +5
              31 March 2017 13: 04
              Quote: Vz.58
              I used to try to host the USSR. Now is not the time

              Yeah ... A new owner, new times. Everything is much tougher ...
            2. +10
              31 March 2017 14: 37
              Well, yes, to place tank divisions with you is not in a businesslike way, but in a friendly way.
            3. +4
              31 March 2017 15: 34
              Quote: Vz.58
              And in the EU we have our own head and the States are treating us with care. We don’t have a job

              You tell Deutsche Bank about careful handling.
              Overseas mister needed money - and mister decided to fine the European bank.
              1. +1
                31 March 2017 18: 49
                Quote: Alexey RA
                You tell Deutsche Bank about careful handling.


                And also concern Volkswagen. There are a lot of things to be typed. The Trans-Pacific Partnership was still a whirlpool for the EU, since they didn’t get involved.
          2. 0
            31 March 2017 17: 56
            Quote: Spade
            That is precisely why troops are peacefully concentrated near our borders

            it is possible in more detail where and what is concentrated?
            1. +4
              31 March 2017 18: 28
              Quote: Uralsky
              it is possible in more detail where and what is concentrated?

              You can read more, in which bear corner without access to the news have you been in recent years?
            2. +2
              31 March 2017 22: 56
              Quote: Uralsky
              it is possible in more detail where and what is concentrated?

              not tired of fooling around ???
      2. +1
        31 March 2017 13: 57
        And no one will ask them, so the whole movement.
      3. 0
        31 March 2017 17: 41
        Quote: Spade
        Do you think that European countries are ready to receive nuclear strikes on their territory for the interests of the United States?

        You doubt the readiness of Fr. Merkel burn Germany and all sorts of Benelux? Who else in Europe makes a decision? Whose opinion matters? Holland? Better hopes will elect Maria le Pen custodians. Will she be against it? Yes, I think that European countries are ready to receive ... Who are not ready for some reason to fight with Russia, are engaged in the construction of same-sex marriages. They are not up to us.
  10. +4
    31 March 2017 10: 35
    Without divulging secrets, I can safely turn to open sources.
    In the Czech Republic, the mothballed T-72s are slightly larger than indicated in the article by the respected author. There are 72 units of constantly upgraded T-4M30 CZ upgrades. After the modernization, the weight rose to 48 kg, but the speed of movement both on the highway and on the chernozem increased, and acceleration increased. With new ammunition increased armor penetration. In this case we concede M000A1 Abrams, but surpassed Leopard 2A2. T-6M72 CZ imprisoned for tank battle. For other tasks, there are other means.
    What's next? Either we dwell on this, or we will bring the unreserved tanks to further upgrades. Or something else we’ll come up with in the framework of “peace on earth.” It all depends on the situation. Maybe let's go dear Switzerland.
    Soviet-Russian tanks were originally created as breakthrough tanks. The M1A2 Abrams was created as a defense tank from "Tank Breakthrough to the English Channel." Different goals, different technical solutions.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 13: 04
      Quote: Vz.58
      With new ammunition increased armor penetration. In this case we concede M1A2 Abrams, but surpassed Leopard 2A6. T-72M4 CZ imprisoned for tank battle. For other tasks, there are other means.

      And how did you overcome the curse of separate loading to surpass unitary ammunition?
      1. +1
        31 March 2017 22: 27
        How? We can do it! Ask the rest of the ministers
        1. 0
          April 1 2017 20: 13
          The most important question is the purpose of the existence of NATO. Yes, everyone heard about the defensive alliance. Find out where NATO defended? In Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya? Now he is going to "defend" against Russia. I am afraid that the matter will again end with the fact that on Russian territory Russian troops will brutally attack the troops of a united Europe. As in 1812 and 1941.
    2. +2
      31 March 2017 13: 05
      In any discussion of the possibility of a war between Russia and NATO, everything “by default” comes down to the possibility of a “total” war between. Ardent patriots in their fantasies imagine how the Russian army is marching victoriously across Europe, “xenopatriots, on the contrary, paint in their imagination gloomy pictures of the“ Abrams ”moving to Moscow and the total defeat of the Russian army.

      The main mistake of the overwhelming majority is the lack of any idea, even theoretically, about how and most importantly why, such a war can be waged. In view of the absolute misunderstanding of the situation, the consideration of the US / NATO and Russian war comes down to the assumption that such a war would be a "classical" war in the style of the Second World War, only with modern weapons. And often, it all comes down to a trivial comparison of the size of the US and Russian armies, saying, “the USA / NATO has tanks / planes, and Russia has Y. In addition, all the consideration of such a war obviously comes down to the assumption that the USA and Russia are bordering states with each other, and all US power is concentrated exclusively against Russia.

      So, let’s say America, which, according to the vast majority of the inhabitants of our country, is only sleeping and sees how to occupy Russia, decides to arrange a large-scale war with it. To begin with, let's ask ourselves, what is needed for this?

      Obviously, for this it is necessary to somehow transfer troops to the borders of the Russian Federation. Moreover, a very large number comparable with the size of the army of the Russian Federation. Based on the experience of the transfer of American troops in the Iraq war, we have -
      - In order to deploy one division across the ocean, the Americans need 25-30 days, the deployment of the army corps - up to 5 months. Thus, to prepare for the war against the Russian Federation, the Americans will need at least six months, which negates any effect of surprise, and gives Russia a lot of time to prepare.
      1. +2
        31 March 2017 14: 03
        And who prevents under certain pretexts (for example, teachings) from starting concentration gradually? Especially if everything pays for Europe?
      2. +3
        31 March 2017 14: 10
        Quote: Alex Medved
        So, let’s say America, which, according to the vast majority of the inhabitants of our country, is only sleeping and sees how to occupy Russia, decides to arrange a large-scale war with it. To begin with, let's ask ourselves, what is needed for this?

        What is NATO for? there it seems like one for all and the European troops will be on the cutting edge, and the Americans will be pulled in the process.
      3. 0
        31 March 2017 18: 40
        Thus, to prepare for the war against the Russian Federation, the Americans will need at least six months, which negates any effect of surprise, and gives a great time for Russia to prepare.

        surprise can be tactical and strategic. Remember 1941 year. Strategically, there was no surprise. Everyone knew that there would be a war. In tactical terms, the attack was unexpected.
      4. 0
        31 March 2017 19: 39
        But what about the concept of global shock? First, important objects will be bombed so that there are no answers. And then you can quietly pull up troops while aviation is wetting defenseless troops and equipment. In Iraq, if I am not mistaken, longbow helicopters destroyed the most tanks. Well, there the planes were also probably identified.
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  12. +1
    31 March 2017 10: 41
    Yes, it’s kind of like fighting divisions against divisions, armies against armies, and not crowds of tanks among themselves. For brigades and divisions, everything is not so cool as for tanks. I don’t remember where I read exactly, there are 24 divisions and about 200 brigades in NATO armies. brigades consist of two regiments, essentially also divisions. We have no such forces, unfortunately.
  13. +5
    31 March 2017 10: 53
    For Russia, the main danger is not at its borders, but in the .... Kremlin. Take away the President (the convenient method is “cheap and cheerful”) and kirdyk will start in Russia such a swarm of “spiders in the bank” that “mother don’t grieve”, and “west” ..... will sit in the front row watching this tragicomedy, chuckling and eating popcorn, drinking it with Coca-Cola .... wink
    1. +9
      31 March 2017 14: 39
      Yes, you've been watching for thirty years. Are you tired of Coca-Cola popcorn to eat?
      1. +3
        April 1 2017 11: 52
        Maybe tired. But now it’s clear why he’s incredibly fat ...
  14. +1
    31 March 2017 11: 12
    And what would our people go to hypothetically conquer Europe tomorrow?
    Actually, the tank for Europe is the T-80 "English Channel" (a friend served on it)
  15. +1
    31 March 2017 11: 29
    So Germany, like a European country, and their leopard weighs not much less than an abrams and what, what problems? They do not drag them with their planes around the country.
  16. +2
    31 March 2017 12: 25
    To 700 km on the roads and to 550 on the crossroads at T-72 and to 480 at Abrams on the highway. For some reason, in open sources there is no figure that tells how many МХNUMX can pass where there are no roads. But by analogy with the "Leo", I do not think that more 1 km.

    Abrams during Operation Desert Storm had to be refueled every 150-200 km. This is not a Leopard diesel.
    This is a turbine - with all the ensuing problems such as voracity and air filtration.
  17. +3
    31 March 2017 12: 49
    Roman Skomorokhov - did you serve in the Army?
    Well, if not in the Soviet, then at least in the Russian?

    If they served, they wouldn’t write nonsense, comparing the number of army tanks. The Soviet Union had more than 10000 tanks at the beginning of the Second World War (about three times as many as the Wehrmacht and its allies) - which did not stop them from rolling back to Moscow.

    The staffers would have said better, but it has been well known since the time of the Second World War that tetra actions, such as the Baltic countries, due to the large number of forests, swamps and low soil bearing capacity, are complex in terms of tank offensive. A small number of roads are easy to block and defend. And in the presence of modern anti-tank weapons - the losses will be unreasonably high, it is easier to block and knock out equipment.

    Similar difficulties await the defenders and the transfer of reinforcements and relocation at this theater is relatively easy to block - in principle, the divisions transferred there will be trapped - they will not be able to maneuver or regroup. In fact, the division thrown there - militarily - is a suicide bomber who for a couple of days will be able to delay the offensive, which no one really expects :))
    This is a gesture of "goodwill", showing the Baltic countries that they are not abandoned.

    The military on both sides understands that this division is a "wedding general" - neither here nor there, constrained by the local theater of the DB, without room for maneuver, no forces for a counterattack, spread out over a large front, with a shallow depth of potential defense.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 13: 12
      Quote: DimerVladimer
      This is a gesture of "goodwill", showing the Baltic countries that they are not abandoned.

      Good. Maybe then you will answer why the “heavy” units deployed specifically for the offensive, rather than the “light” or “striker”, which were more mobile and more adapted to defense, were deployed?
      1. 0
        31 March 2017 14: 05
        And with air superiority it is VERY difficult to delay the advance.
        1. 0
          31 March 2017 14: 06
          Air superiority from the adversary’s side, of course.
      2. 0
        31 March 2017 15: 39
        The answer, surprisingly, may be simple. Everyman is the same everywhere. The most solid colossus for 60 tons, most likely, evokes a greater sense of reassurance than the armored “small fry”. Specialists in brainwashing and dusting are in demand and are everywhere.
        Quote: Spade
        Why are the “heavy” units deployed specifically for the offensive deployed, and not the “light” or “striker”, more mobile and more adapted to the defense?
      3. +1
        31 March 2017 18: 44
        Why are the "heavy" units deployed specifically for the offensive deployed?

        because the “lungs” are easier to cross-patch later. And initially no one is preparing to defend. Because in the defense of victory can not be obtained.
      4. +1
        April 3 2017 10: 44
        Quote: Spade
        Good. Maybe then you will answer why the “heavy” units deployed specifically for the offensive, rather than the “light” or “striker”, which were more mobile and more adapted to defense, were deployed?


        There are no heavy units, as you put it, “imprisoned” for an offensive or defense.
        There is a mechanized division, designed for both defensive and offensive operations, depending on the task.

        For you civilians, the term concentration and concentration is probably incomprehensible?
        The offensive is not carried out by ONE division, dispersed on an extended front, besides having no reserves. Of course, I understand that journalists are absolute ignoramuses in tactics and strategy. But if you write about it, then you need to competently and understand what is at stake.
        So far, what journalists write is reminiscent of the babble of a pre-conscript.
        None of the three or six divisions in this potential theater of operations can seriously threaten the security of the Russian Federation.

        It should be borne in mind that the higher the concentration on such a small area, the more vulnerable will be the troops located there for a massive strike. Since providing them with air support will be very, very difficult (local airfields and air defense of the area will be suppressed in the first place).
        The regular air defense of the division will be suppressed in the first 2 days, after which the division will be squeezed in a limited area, without reserves and air cover. Heavy equipment will be destroyed, without direct contact of ground forces, if necessary, the division will lose its potential in the first 3-5 days without even making direct contact with the enemy.
        I say the headquarters on both sides are well aware - the division in the Baltic states is the "wedding general" in the village.
        There is a division - “it is pleasant for the bride and relatives to be married” - the “general” drinks, has fun and does not expect to use his “premium colt” for its intended purpose, because the men in the neighboring village are severe - and it’s not even an hour, they advised to cut the fly on the colt .
        1. +3
          April 3 2017 10: 59
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          There are no heavy units, as you put it, “imprisoned” for an offensive or defense.

          Hello, we arrived ...
          US Ground Forces have only three types of brigades.
          "Light", it is also "infantry" - three infantry battalions on the "Humvee" (if you do not know, this is the original, military version of the "Hammer").
          "Heavy", it is also "mechanized" - two tank battalions and two motorized infantry battalions on the BMD "Bradley"
          "Stiker" brigades - three motorized infantry battalions on the Stryker armored personnel carrier

          "Heavy" is sharpened solely on the offensive. In defense, they cannot even create a second echelon

          Quote: DimerVladimer
          For you civilians, the term concentration and concentration is probably incomprehensible?

          I'm afraid I have much more knowledge on this topic than you. For I have behind me not only a military school and service in the North Caucasian Military District, but also real combat experience.

          Quote: DimerVladimer
          It should be borne in mind that the higher the concentration on such a small area, the more vulnerable will be the troops located there for a massive strike. Since providing them with air support will be very, very difficult.

          Damn, baby talk. Well, at least look at the map ...
    2. +2
      31 March 2017 14: 09
      And by the way, in the 41st, our staffers were sure that the Germans would not go through Belarus. For the reason voiced by you (forests, swamps), and they went. Yes, the heat dried the swamps, but everything must be taken into account.
      1. +2
        31 March 2017 15: 47
        Quote: Topotun
        On the 41st, our staffers were sure that the Germans would not go through Belarus. For the reason voiced by you (forests, swamps), and they went.

        Look at the German chronicle. Technology went along the roads in an accelerated march. On the sixth !!!! the day of war, the Germans were in Minsk. Having arranged another boiler near him. My own grandmother with children who survived the occupation did not see our fighters in Minsk. In June. The front collapsed in the very first days.
        1. +1
          31 March 2017 16: 18
          And who prevents you from walking on the roads from the Baltic? Especially with aviation support? With suppressed air defense systems? Especially if it will be considered coercion to the peace of Russia?
          1. +3
            31 March 2017 19: 00
            Quote: Topotun
            And who prevents you from walking on the roads from the Baltic? Especially with aviation support? With suppressed air defense systems? Especially if it will be considered coercion to the peace of Russia?


            We. We are in the way. We don’t have aviation, air defense, or reb? Artillery, tactical and cruise missiles? I am surprised at you!
            So we took it at once and surrendered. fool
          2. 0
            April 3 2017 10: 57
            Quote: Topotun
            And who prevents you from walking on the roads from the Baltic? Especially with aviation support?


            You simply cannot imagine modern combat and its tasks.
            How many air bases in the Baltic? Former Soviet - which are in the radius of destruction of even tactical missile weapons. Which will be suppressed in the first hours of a potential conflict. The NATO generals are well aware of this - not fools.
            Is Poland supported? These communications are very stretched and vulnerable (large leverage)
      2. +2
        31 March 2017 18: 46
        And by the way, in 41, our staffers were sure that the Germans would not go through Belarus.

        Belarus is an ideal place for an offensive.
        And 1941 year did not guess the direction of the main blow.
      3. 0
        April 3 2017 10: 49
        Belarus is large, there are plenty of tank dangerous directions there.
        The erroneous planning of the General Staff of the Red Army is a topic for a separate big discussion.
      4. 0
        April 3 2017 14: 54
        There is no massive attack through the swamps:
        Let us turn to history.
        Operation Bagration of 1944 K.K. Rokossovsky, having studied the terrain, expressed the opinion that it should not be applied, but two main blows. He motivated his statement by the fact that in a very swampy Polesie, with one breakthrough, the armies will not be able to deploy, they will clog the roads in the near rear, and as a result, front troops can only be used in parts. According to K.K. Rokossovsky, one blow from Rogachev to Osipovichi, the other from the Ozarichs to Slutsk, while surrounding Bobruisk, should have been delivered.
  18. 0
    31 March 2017 14: 07
    And what would we not ship a couple of tens of hundreds of missiles on simple parachutes and send them to the shores of the United States? what is the time of approach of some sort of "half-yarn" released from the hold of a large tanker in the center of the Atlantic? There, even stealth is not needed. Boats, of course, are also needed.
  19. +2
    31 March 2017 14: 50
    Maybe in vain we criticize the road workers in areas close to the western borders. It turns out that the worse the roads, the better for the defense of Russia. It's time to put up slogans ... we will destroy the roads, let the potential invader of Russia be very bad ...
  20. +3
    31 March 2017 15: 17
    According to the authors: Europe has major problems. On the other hand, it is known: if tanks are in the garden, then, at least, crop failure is guaranteed.
  21. 0
    31 March 2017 15: 49
    Do the sorrows seem to have a production line in Greece for m1? Or there leopards produced. It will be necessary to bomb on occasion.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 17: 59
      in which case?
      1. +2
        April 1 2017 11: 54
        In case of pecking a roasted rooster at the fifth point.
  22. 0
    31 March 2017 16: 46
    And what kind of monsters at 8:47 in the video?
  23. +1
    31 March 2017 17: 07
    [Neher's pussy is measured .... farther closer to shoot ... it will be necessary to extinguish the mattress ... and that’s all ...
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 22: 38
      My advice to you. Do not watch movies, otherwise, God forbid, you will begin to believe
      1. +2
        April 1 2017 11: 56
        Exactly. But you, it seems, already believe in the Hollywood stereotype of the "great and mighty" American army
  24. +1
    31 March 2017 18: 15
    Of course, I did not serve in the General Staff of the Russian Federation. But I see it like that. If you look at the tactics of conducting a US database, you can see that at first, the Americans carry out a massive attack by the Kyrgyz Republic and aviation. Then there are tanks, etc., for stripping. From this we can conclude that one division is very small for the Russian theater. But the concentration of 2 - 3, may already signal the upcoming "big rascal".
    Let's see what happens next.
    But the "rascal", as it seems to me, is nevertheless inevitable. Look at our defense industry. The furious pace of rearmament, ships and submarines are sculpted like pies, almost every month 1 - 2 units. descend into the water. The formation of new divisions. GDP has signed a decree on increasing the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces to 1 million 913 tons of 51 people. That is, I think all this is not just. There is something to ponder.
    1. 0
      31 March 2017 18: 49
      If you look at the tactics of conducting a US database, you can see that at first, the Americans carry out a massive attack by the Kyrgyz Republic and aviation. Then there are tanks, etc.

      You're right. In Iraq, the period of massive air strikes was several months. At this time, it is possible to transfer the missing parts.
      Look at our defense industry. Frantic pace of rearmament

      But I wouldn’t get excited here. Trying to catch up on 90. Not more.
      1. 0
        April 1 2017 00: 48
        Quote: glory1974
        But I wouldn’t get excited here. Trying to catch up on 90. Not more.

        I partly agree. But why right now, there was a need to increase the l / s of the RF Armed Forces in two? Why, not 5 years, or at least 1 - 2 years ago? And right now.
        1. 0
          April 1 2017 11: 40
          there was a need to increase the l / s of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in two?

          I probably missed something. When did you double the number? The last decree of Putin increased the number of employees on 12 000 people. The number of troops has remained unchanged.
        2. 0
          April 1 2017 14: 42
          They answered you, in fact - an increase of 0,5%
          At the same time, this is explained by the transfer to the Armed Forces of some kind of service or unit (forgot) of just such a strength. Those. in fact there are NO changes at all.
    2. 0
      April 1 2017 21: 59
      That is the point. With the outstripping pace of rearmament of the Russian army, US plans are somewhat delayed. The greater the combat readiness our army reaches, the less likely it is to attack, that’s the trick.
    3. +1
      April 3 2017 17: 00
      Of course, I did not serve in the General Staff of the Russian Federation. But I see it like that. If you look at the tactics of conducting a US database, you can see that at first, the Americans carry out a massive attack by the Kyrgyz Republic and aviation. Then there are tanks, etc., for stripping.- I’ll say the seditious thing: even if NATO sets up 20–30 tanks against the Russian Federation, and we don’t use nuclear weapons (out of harm feel ) and we will wage war with conventional ground forces - then a large number of tanks exacerbate the position of troops invading the Russian Federation.
      It’s not even expensive - it’s a banal lack of fuel and lubricants. Naturally, we will destroy our warehouses and tank farms during the offensive by NATO, their warehouses / tank farms / crackings - if possible, we will destroy them by air, and the supply shoulder is furious. Their tanks (as well as the demon cloud of cars / infantry fighting vehicles) will rise up from the starfed before reaching Smolensk. Even the 3rd Reich did not succeed in protecting the railway from saboteurs / partisans - taking into account new types of weapons (RPGs) now will not work at all. The bunkers will burn well ... You can protect the roads only by repression - which will cause the growth of partisan movement. This will lead to the need to keep a garrison in each farm and reduce the number of striking forces.
      And also the roads - "zrada zradnaya" for all our enemies, on our roads if the tanks weren’t able to drive the cars back and forth a couple of times, they won’t be able to drive them at all .. They moaned during the exercises last year - that in the Baltics (!!) poor (!!) logistics.They do not feel our distance / range ...

      Z.Y. The Wehrmacht got out by horse-drawn transport - NATO does not have it ....
  25. +2
    31 March 2017 18: 56
    Russia will not go to war in Europe, we need it, if we are impatient, we’ll fly to America right away, our partners must understand this, at this stage the whole war lies in this.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 22: 40
      Fly to America? With modern air defense, if you are a smart person, you know where to fly
      1. +1
        April 1 2017 11: 57
        Fly, fly. Play "World in conflict", everything is well laid out there.
      2. +1
        April 1 2017 14: 42
        Well, first the ICBMs and the Kyrgyz Republic with a range of 2000+ (5500+) kilometers ... Fly. And we'll figure it out :)
  26. +2
    31 March 2017 19: 53
    As for operational planning during the Soviet era, it provided for “re-shoeing” of tanks during the march .. not only to the English Channel. Because the power reserve on the track was somewhat different than the author writes. And not only T 72 .. All this metal (hundreds of thousands of tons) remained on the extension routes and went to our “brothers”, thanks to Gorbachev
    1. +2
      April 1 2017 02: 08
      Quote: vovaziy
      all this metal (hundreds of thousands of tons) remained on the extension routes and went to our "brothers"

      ... who became "non-brothers" (just in case). As a result, the civil war in the USSR, which supposedly was prevented by Gorbi and Yeltsin, has been going on for 25 years (but it is no longer noticed). The latest explosion near Kharkov showed that far from everything was shot and sold: "on the kids" still have enough.
  27. +1
    31 March 2017 20: 00
    Shivering about anything, also harmful in mood.
    1. +1
      31 March 2017 22: 43
      Are you a Ural separatist? Everyone in boots and a step left or right is considered an escape! And only you - Russia?
  28. 0
    31 March 2017 21: 44
    We will meet anything if sho.
  29. 0
    31 March 2017 23: 50
    One video of the T-90 holding the Tou rocket does not make Tou a worthless guano. There is a form where the T-55 withstands it. But the video where the T-72 explode into smithereens more after one hit. And when the T-14 goes into the army and becomes a full-fledged unit, then we’ll talk about what this 4-level protection is capable of.
    Kasym,
  30. +1
    April 1 2017 02: 24
    Here is the situation: at first fools appeared on the tanks, then the roads "disappeared" ...
  31. 0
    April 1 2017 05: 32
    Dear Kasym, I have never said that the forces that currently exist in Europe are enough to attack Russia and have a chance to seize a large territory or force Russia to sit at the negotiating table without trump cards according to the Versailles style. My position is that the forces that exist in Europe cannot attack Russia, but if Russia attacks, it will not be able to achieve all the objectives without losing huge human and economic losses that will have very negative consequences for Russia for at least the next 10 years. I ascertain the fact that at the moment the mobility and strength of modern ATGMs greatly reduces the survivability of tanks in battle, given the abundance of woodland and many settlements in Europe. Nowhere have I claimed that NATO possesses better weapons than the Russian Federation, I don’t know why some have decided that this is exactly what I’m doing, probably people don’t really like the flag and nickname. Kasym,
  32. +1
    April 1 2017 05: 50
    A good analysis of the properties of the terrain, and their influence on the course of possible hostilities. A small example from the history of the Second World War. It is known that the Hitler Wehrmacht was then quite well mechanized, but at the same time there was also horse-drawn transport in it. Moreover, the Germans approached this matter thoroughly and thoughtfully (as it seemed to them) - all of their wagons were on a rubber course, on inflatable tires, draft force - thoroughbred horses, perchers, possessing great strength and endurance. It would seem that the Teutons thought out everything to the smallest detail. But, faced with the second Russian disaster - the roads. Rather, their absence. Especially during the autumn-spring thaw, when the dirt is impassable and literally everything sank in it. So, it turned out that inflatable rubber tires in these conditions only increased resistance to movement, they simply slowed it down. This is not for you to cut through the European highway. Perchersons could not cope, and how can they cope if they need special food for their nutrition, a special diet that has never been seen in Russian open spaces. Although our peasant horse lost in appearance and strength to the Percherons, it was unpretentious in eating - pulled straw from the roof, and that was enough for her. And besides, she was harnessed to the Russian cart - a brilliant invention of our people. Only it was perfectly suited to the conditions of our off-road conditions - the narrow and thin wheels of our cart easily cut through the liquid layer of dirt, and when they reached a solid substance they continued to rotate without much resistance. As a result, a weakly strong Savraska, without much exertion, took out a cart with cargo from any dirt. Given that since then, little has changed in the condition of roads and bridges, but I’m not talking about the climate at all, we must not lose sight of our traditional transport. He can still come in handy. For example, when some “Armata” gets stuck in the mud.
  33. +2
    April 1 2017 06: 17
    Quote: ramzes1776
    Now there are so many kinds of anti-tank weapons that the number of tanks has absolutely no value.

    I won’t argue, but from my personal experience of fighting in the Donbass I can say that in battle, whoever has a tank (even not quite serviceable) is wearing slippers.
  34. 0
    April 1 2017 09: 14
    We’ll Fortunately there is a reason. The tank division of the times of the USSR is 300 tanks and a good hundred SAU-150. This is not counting armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and other "light" equipment. Plus artillery helicopters, etc. etc.
  35. 0
    April 1 2017 10: 18
    Listen, people may be enough already?))) Each of the armies has its own doctrine. and always debate will be which is better. and it’s foolish in all these discussions to reduce the role of tanks in any conflict. and the tactics of their application must also be correctly understood. since they are used in Syria or Donbas this is not a good example. in the case of pah pah pah Europe everything will be completely different.
  36. +2
    April 1 2017 11: 16
    Ararat,
    But what, the charge of solid fuel in the rocket engine is a variable quantity? Or was there a range of 25 km originally laid there? By the way, the English-language Wikidura gives a range of generally 60+ km when launched from aircraft for the second version of the rocket. Russian-speaking Wikidur - 11,2 km. Take on a fright?
  37. 0
    April 1 2017 13: 07
    if anything, immediately hit the core of the earth, split the planet into pieces. so the war will end in a few minutes.
    1. 0
      April 1 2017 13: 53
      Joking as a joke, but how are you going to split the Earth in bundles of 100 kilotons? Or even 50 megatons? It seems to me that you can’t surprise the Earth with such garbage.
      1. 0
        11 March 2018 08: 34
        There is such a hypothesis: if you detonate all available atomic charges at the same time, the concentration of slow neutrons will be so high that chain fission reactions begin in the bowels of the Earth, deposits of uranium ores fulfill the role of atomic bombs. And such explosions can already be measured with gigatons in TNT equivalent, and even in the thickness of the earth’s crust, and even across the Earth ... Even if the “crust of the earth’s crust” does not occur as such, the consequences will be fatal to all living things.
  38. 0
    April 1 2017 13: 52
    And what is so ridiculous in 1000 Polish tanks, of which half - just the same T-72 modernized?
  39. 0
    April 1 2017 15: 16
    In America, there is a very high probability of a civil war. Since their locals can do anything to achieve their own goals, global governance has the task of removing the most dangerous weapons from the states, so that the war proceeds in line with jeep carts with machine guns, no more. Well, and if Europe pays for this (the maintenance of the ameroyak on its territory), this is generally wonderful.
  40. +1
    April 1 2017 16: 09
    Not until the enemy’s assessment always leads to a deplorable result, therefore, “ears should always be on the top”, study, study and study again, we must understand that the creeping expansion of the Baltic states is not easy.
  41. 0
    April 1 2017 19: 27
    Quote: Uralsky
    Quote: skarl
    in Syria war-tanks in bulk

    and in Syria, the enemy has aircraft and anti-tank weapons, in addition to outdated anti-tank systems?

    This is a matter of air superiority. Russia, IMHO, on the European theater of war, this issue will be able to solve. VKS and EW to help us!
  42. 0
    April 1 2017 23: 36
    Want to ruin a neighboring country - give her a cruiser
  43. 0
    April 2 2017 00: 17
    The article is vague, but I saw in it a small THEME. Europe and America want to live well and luxuriously, but America wants to live even better, therefore, they threw their tank division into Europe and I think this is only the beginning. Global atomic war will not be this America will definitely not want. And America admits the local atomic energy and it’s not interesting for them anywhere in the east like Korea, China, India or Pakistan. But only in Europe --- to strengthen its authority, pump money from Europe and test its combat potential and, most importantly, Russia. What is Russia's military potential in terms of defense or attack? Figures statistics financing technical data weapons quantities all this we and they know. And how to dispose of it to use the big question here. And now they are taking Russia to weakly palm off irritant Europe with its quilts. The European army is highly professional trained as shown in the videos, and what will happen after the first battle of the second battle, losses when they go. And here the Russians in ALL types of tanks, including the ancient t-55s, will shoot at anything that is dangerous or moves with possibly good air defense in the first and second line and even the infantry fighting ballistic regiment. But in general, young military guys who are not much satisfied with Europe due to its snobbery and satiety will fight. Nuclear weapons can be used both in a critical situation and with a good ending to consolidate success and for real intimidation, as the United States and Japan did. Europe, as usual, passed it on to someone, but on someone didn’t.
    1. +1
      April 5 2017 13: 13
      What are you Ukrainians ... stupid, or something. What is incomprehensible here - if everything had remained, as it had become in the 14th, in the 18th NATO would have stood in Crimea. And you would have everything left as it was. Now Russia is taking revenge on you for treason. And America is taking revenge for the fact that you could not fulfill the paid task (the USA lost $ 5 billion for Crimea) you feel bad. And it will be even worse. After a BDSM condom, as a rule, they do not cherish while storing, but usually they just throw it away. Get used to life on the side of highways of international importance. Traitors, as a rule, end their careers: a strong bright packaging surrounds at the beginning, inviting, enthralling ... and an empty emasculated interior afterwards - in the grass on the side of the road, filled with expiring ... strangers ...
    2. 0
      2 May 2017 10: 52
      Ha, a local nuclear war in Europe, and especially in Ukraine, the Americans are quite satisfied. After the giant World War II meat grinder, tied up with money from American / British banking houses that nurtured and imprisoned the Reich, after all this, a local nuclear conflict in Europe for the “God-chosen” is the most logical move. process development, 2rd stage (after 3mv and 1mv).
      1. 0
        2 May 2017 17: 14
        Syria was hit to test Russia. And near Korea they just rub and threaten for Europe it is not interesting. After Syria, Cyprus may be on the way closer to Europe. But in Ukraine, I don’t really want a global conflict. Although who knows that they have already decided there is no VACUUM baton and you are already a lawless hostage of two nuclear Empires. And Europe will screech like a power-saw bench, but do not help things with a cry.
  44. +1
    April 3 2017 10: 26
    Razmik, Gastat, Gandoped and finally Ararat, who are you, our respected Dr. Sorge, in short, "... Gulchat, open your face ..." (c)
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    1. 0
      April 5 2017 12: 38
      You are stupid if you mean Putin as bald (Gorbachev was Tagged) Listen to this http://www.kp.ru/radio/audio-taina-3-gosudarey/
      the plot may be fantastic, but it definitely has the right to interpret the history of the development of the Russian State
  46. 0
    April 5 2017 12: 31
    The weakest place of Americans and others like them is the desire to bask in bed for as long as possible from the petals of a wonderful flower - the dollar. The weakest point of the Russian fifth column is a passion for a coca -oleigamburger, as well as for the smell of brand new jeans. He sticks them worse than cocaine. This has not happened, this egregor beckons a lot of people from the time of the Soviet Union, like a vacuum cleaner, you yourself know what a great brand.
    With regards to the Russians. With regards to the Russian war with its enemies ... Balabanov said well in the cult film: you know which one you are. There are no arguments for one who considered himself protected by his bourgeois standards. The gun was put on the forehead by a man who overcame all the obstacles you set in a way that you did not even imagine. And the one who behind the gun suddenly asks you: well, what is the strength? In the money?
  47. 0
    April 5 2017 15: 32
    guys, it’s not in vain that we drive half the country into tanks
  48. 0
    April 5 2017 15: 42
    Kadyrov do not forget
  49. 0
    April 5 2017 15: 44
    What is the strength in, brother?
  50. +1
    2 May 2017 10: 46
    That's when we can ensure parity in the air, then tanks can begin to flaunt. I recall that in 1941 roadsides were clogged with broken, broken and sometimes simply abandoned Soviet equipment. Without dominance in the air, the tanks will not reach anywhere. - This will be a tidbit of assault helicopters and front-line aviation.
  51. 0
    19 January 2018 18: 52
    Moreover, a tank is a powerful offensive weapon. No one will argue here. Especially the American one, armed with all the “best in the world.”


    from what...
    you can argue...
    just look at the concept of designing their tanks...
    it was created to protect the West from the Warsaw bloc, i.e. from our tanks...
    that’s why it has such mass - it’s not a breakthrough tank, it’s a defense tank
    he is not able to independently advance in Europe
    due to its size and weight, it will either not pass, or will drown in the swamps and swamps of Europe, not to mention our territory...
  52. +1
    1 March 2018 21: 50
    In fact, American troops are stationed on the western edge of the continent not for war with Russia, but for PROTECTING NATO countries - so that they do not run away from the JAILERS. These are prison guards for Germany and Co. And they diligently feed their guards. And so as not to be scared, they repeat, “They are... protecting us.” A typical example of Stockholm syndrome.
  53. +1
    4 March 2018 22: 04
    Tanks are still the main striking force of the Army - this is proven by modern wars. Where did the attacking side manage to achieve a quick victory? South Ossetia 2008, Iraq 1991 and 2003 - everywhere the victory was won by the Army with the leading role of tanks and, of course, the support of aviation. Attempts to use aviation without ground forces or with minimal involvement of ground forces lead to protracted conflicts - such as the Russian campaign in Syria, the NATO campaign in the same Syria and Iraq, also earlier in Libya, in Yugoslavia - and this despite overwhelming air superiority!
    ATGMs are a powerful anti-tank weapon, but far from being a “wunderwaffe”, as some people think! Above, someone wrote about a building that is supposedly an excellent shelter for ATGM crews - but in reality, everything is not so simple - ATGMs, as well as RPGs/LNGs, are extremely problematic to use from inside the premises - you need either a large hall or a corridor in the desired direction, or a large hole in the back wall where the jet stream would go! (For RPG-7 the jet length is 30 m, for example!) Otherwise, the gunners/grenade launchers will be stupidly fried by their own jet. You can, in principle, use it from the roofs of houses - but there is a minus here: the silhouette against the sky is an excellent target! True, a “soft launch” was announced for Javelins, supposedly allowing shooting from indoors, but not a single video/photo of such a launch came across, as well as any combat use of these same Javelins in general... This is the first thing. Secondly, not only does it have to hit a tank with an ATGM, it’s not a fact that it will disable it from the first hit! According to the ATGM calculations, the tank does not require a direct hit at all - OFS fragments hit within a radius of up to 300 (!) m, and the ATGM installation rises well above the terrain and the operator is not protected by anything! The tank doesn’t even have to see the ATGM - it just needs to “cash out” any suspicious “green”/development in advance - for a group of tanks this is not a problem in terms of ammo consumption, besides, infantry fighting vehicles will help them with this with rapid-firing guns, and artillery can also supply them well !.. By the way, a huge drawback of NATO tanks is the lack of OFS in the BC!
  54. +1
    4 March 2018 22: 32
    Now about the equipment in the American division. It is interesting to compare with the Russian, for example, Kantemirovskaya tank division, which (according to Wiki): 229 tanks, 211 infantry fighting vehicles, 88 towed artillery pieces, 36 self-propelled guns, 18 multiple rocket launchers, 40 air defense systems. There is a huge difference in approaches to equipment procurement! Both there and there, of course, there are a lot of tanks, the “partners”, however, have much more light armor (it is not clear how much of them are motorized riflemen, how many are repairmen, but, in any case, they carry with them as part of a tank divisions have entire rembats, which Russian tanks do not require at all - there are enough mechanical drivers with wrenches and swear words! =)) Even more interesting is the comparison of support means - the “partners” have, of course, helicopters! As part of a tank unit! At first glance, it is very successful - its own helicopter pilots - but for their work they still need protection from enemy aircraft, so the Americans will need interaction with other branches of the military, in the event of a conflict with a serious enemy, just like ours. Although in the event of a war with an enemy that is obviously weaker (as they always do), this need disappears and coordination with the helicopters is apparently simplified... The extremely weak air defense of the American division indicates the same thing - they are not going to fight a serious enemy and are not even preparing - They don’t even imagine that someone could ever bomb them! =) But it’s even more interesting with the art - why is it so disrespected by them? MLRS is powerful and spectacular, but this weapon works exclusively “in areas” and can only destroy enemy tanks by accident - while barrel artillery, with the presence of a spotter, can conduct aimed fire, including at a moving target...
  55. 0
    11 March 2018 08: 03
    Quote: Ararat
    The height of the helicopter changes the firing range.

    By increasing the operating time of the main engine? Increasing the height of the launch point does not provide a multiple increase in the range of application. Return to the real world.
  56. 0
    April 1 2020 03: 05
    The Merikos will not climb until China takes Siberia, and then this will happen after our bloody victory in Turkey (from Orthodox forecasts)