Who did throw the boots on the remote control in Balakliya?

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Who did throw the boots on the remote control in Balakliya?


Everyone already knows that there was a fire at the artillery depots in Balaklei, as a result of which ammunition began to explode. Balakley is a town in 60 km from Kharkov, if you go in the direction of Izum.



Naturally, opinions and accusations on the topic of "who is to blame."

That's so much idiocy in one bottle I have not seen for a long time. Versions were - you will download.

1. The attack was staged by pro-Russian saboteurs.

2. The terrorist attack was staged by Donbass saboteurs.

3. The attack was staged by Russian saboteurs.

4. The attack was carried out by the Russian military with the help of shock drones.

5. The attack was staged by the Ukrainian military in order to hide the sale of ammunition in the Donbass.

Strong? Not that word.

I will go over all five points briefly, and then offer the sixth. From myself, as from the most adequate version creators in this company.

1. Who are the "pro-Russian saboteurs", I confess, did not understand. But he concluded that in Ukraine they are separate, and Donbass - separately. Pan Poltorak, in a good way, would have to explain who he had in mind.

If it was about the so-called "Kharkov resistance", then this, sorry, is ridiculous. The resistance for the most part lives on the territory of Russia, and those who did not have time are still sitting. And they are released extremely reluctantly. So - nonsense.

2. Donetsk and Lugansk DRG. Well what can I say ... This movie has already been. Why don't the Ukrainians come up with a tale about the “omnipresent DRGs” from the Donbass and exploit? There are only cases, a march on 170-200 km from the DPR or the LPR, why not walk for the sake of such a firework?

Motivation seems to be there. And the people in the Donbas, able to turn this, should also be. But it’s one thing for the Ukrainian DRG to go 10-20 km to any vital point from the front line, and it’s another thing to rewind Donbass to 10 more than a very friendly territory. So it looks crazy.

3. But in principle, immediately and the item number XXUMX. If we take into account that from our Valuhek to Balakley, everything is just 4 km in a straight line ... No, thanks, of course, for such a high opinion of our army special forces and drone drone. And at the same time it is worth asking if this nonsense can be regarded as a recognition that neither the border guards nor the air defense system in Ukraine exists?

I don't even want to comment more.

5. At this point there is some amount of common sense. True, not in the presentation, which was poured on the audience from the TV screen. There, just in terms of adequacy, everything was in order.

The situation was decomposed as follows: some of the Ukrainian military was selling ammunition in the Donbass. In exchange for coal, which went including to Kharkov. And back, in the same cars, shells were sent to Lugansk.

Oil painting, especially for those who can imagine it. In open wagons, in which a ember was traveling some time ago, shells are being driven through half of Ukraine. Probably something covered from prying eyes. It’s good that they are covered, so that neither the customs, nor the Security Service of Ukraine, or the rest of the border points at the border with the ATO area notice anything.

If such a special operation took place, those who did it could be proud of it for the rest of their lives. There are, in principle, why.

And here, oddly enough, but there is a grain of truth. So I move smoothly to the sixth point. And your opinion.

And it lies in the fact that the attack was really organized by the Ukrainian military. But for several reasons other than the sale or exchange of shells.

I will push myself to the heap from the official version of Kiev, voiced by the main party Poltorak. He spoke of a certain enemy DRG, which, taking advantage of the changing of the guard, set fire to military depots.

Considering how this fire looked on numerous videos on the Internet, the DRG consisted of two to three dozen completed pyromaniacs. And security? What does "taking advantage of the changing of the guard" mean? I do not know what the guard regulations are now in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but I don’t think that the changing of the guard is accompanied by a trip to the dining room and the raising of a pair of glasses for the last shift.

And it looks like this. Well, or if the sentries simply left the posts, on guard, to make a shift there. Nothing else comes to mind, but again, I don’t know how it’s customary in Ukraine now.

But the most interesting thing is that Poltorak confirmed that, even if everything burns and detonates in this 65 arsenal, this will not affect the APU’s combat capability. What is in other vaults will be enough for more than one year of shelling.

And I will agree with this, since Ukraine got so much from the USSR that it really would be enough for a very long time.

In addition, in his speech, Poltorak voiced a very interesting point. He said that a significant part of the ammunition from this warehouse since the start of the ATO was sent to the front.

And here it is, the moment of truth.

The attack, starting from the words of the minister, was committed on the sites where the 125 mm tank and 152 mm howitzer shells. That is just what most actively flew to Donbass.

And now let's remember the honest eyes of the Ukrainian commanders, who, in response to claims from the DPR, the LPR and the OSCE, who had to react to the statements of the republics, responded that they had not fired any fire. It was? It was. And more than a dozen times. And shells were presented, reports were filed, on the basis of which the poor sheep from the Ukrainian Armed Forces all turned white and white.

And in relation to the evil separatists, the opinion was fixed that "they themselves". According to the reports, it all came together ...

I even allow myself to express the opinion that, apparently, the OSCE decided to conduct an inspection of the warehouses. And apply a calculator. And here it is, the result.

Now no matter how a revision finds out. Everything is sewed-covered and written off clean. Well, a very timely attack. How to order. But, apparently, the order was.

Needed and "otmaz". After all, for two years in the Donbas 125- and 152-mm projectiles are being produced in quantities that cannot be calculated. But I think that we are talking about thousands of tons at a minimum. And to show empty warehouses - it is in fact to recognize that all this “unaccounted for” flew in the direction of Donetsk and Lugansk. And in all the charges there is the correctness of the republics.

And now everything. You can investigate and audit as much as you like. A very timely attack, and most importantly, beneficial for politicians and commanders of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. It is impossible.

And on the one hand, the generals can breathe out, and politicians raise a screech (which they already rushed to do), accusing the republic of terrorism.

That just looks like this is still very stupid.
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  1. +26
    24 March 2017 06: 52
    I think this version is the most believable. It took up immediately, in several places.
    1. 0
      24 March 2017 07: 19
      I think it’s necessary to throw in Ukraine info on the purchase of equipment and ammunition! After half a year, they will have nothing to shoot at.
      1. +12
        24 March 2017 07: 23
        Warehouse manager and generals, with whom the grandmother shared from the sold ammunition and ammunition. They are to blame, but the fire was made to hide the theft. Now no one will figure out what and how much is lost. Everyone will write off to Russia again and no one will think that for Russia sabotage in one warehouse will not bring any benefit. In the end, Ukraine will take weapons from another warehouse, not the only one they have.
        1. +12
          24 March 2017 12: 47
          Warehouse manager and generals, with whom the grandmother shared from the sold ammunition and ammunition. They are to blame, but the fire was made to hide the theft.


          Well, yes, yes, given the huge demand from the population for rockets for hail and anti-tank mines. All Ukrainians desperately needed it. Ah ammunition! Given the price of NATO guts in Ukrainian markets, cheaper .... the current of ammunition was not there, sadness.

          By and large, they don’t give a damn about the version, it exploded and exploded, well and good, maybe some of the inhabitants of New Russia will live longer from this, but I was simply enraged by the author’s aplomb about a hundred kilometers unbearable for special forces. Those involved will understand, because I risk getting another warning.
          1. +6
            24 March 2017 15: 02
            [quote = Asadullah] By and large, do not give a damn about the version, it exploded and exploded, well and good, [/ quote]
            That's right!
            Moreover, now "you can’t figure it out without a bottle." wink
            But the explosions in warehouses are very useful: ammunition has become smaller, and Svidomo scratched turnips, because such spectacles suggest sad thoughts about a real war, the illusions of security disappear, etc.
            Vague doubts begin to torment: can only the warehouses themselves burn and explode, but, for example, the headquarters, institutions and the Verkhovna Rada itself cannot or can they? recourse
            [quote = Asadullah] infuriated the author’s aplomb about one hundred km of unbearable for special forces. [quote]
            One hundred kilometers are elevated, but the risk of failure of such an operation is great.
            Here you can and others.
            For example, a “trustee” will put a shell with a surprise into the train that brought the party to this arsenal or a Chinese quadrocopter with a lighter will be planted on a stack of shell boxes in the dark at night.
            In any case, it either exploded itself, or someone set fire to it - very happy!
            Even more such arsenals, barracks, warehouses, etc., and the end of the war.
          2. 0
            24 March 2017 16: 33
            Quote: Asadullah
            Well, yes, yes, given the huge demand from the population for missiles for the installation of hail and anti-tank mines. All Ukrainians desperately needed it.

            and what does the population have to do with it, I won’t be surprised if they pushed to the Donbass or to Ishilov’s
            1. 0
              24 March 2017 16: 40
              and what does the population have to do with it, I won’t be surprised if they pushed to the Donbass or to Ishilov’s


              How was it pushed? Echelons? In any other case, I will write you off how much is needed. Ig? Unbeknownst to the state? Do not make me laugh.
              1. +1
                24 March 2017 22: 35
                Quote: Asadullah
                Unbeknownst to the state? Do not make me laugh.

                I don’t laugh, there walk the field, by the way in the Republic of Kazakhstan at that time MIGs were pushing without the knowledge of Nazik
                Quote: Asadullah
                How was it pushed? Echelons?

                on camels
                1. +2
                  24 March 2017 23: 11
                  I don’t laugh, there walk the field, by the way in the Republic of Kazakhstan at that time MIGs were pushing without the knowledge of Nazik


                  There is a concept of informational confrontation, in Ukraine they like to talk about how Russia will exchange Crimea for products, but in Russia often blue will be given out as an ultramarine, under the general name blue. Go figure it out. So, Ukraine is a state in which money is pumped annually. Not only the IMF, but also direct borrowing and EU funds and other funds. Not everyone steals, as you were told, most of the money goes into circulation, which means taxes are collected and public services function poorly. And despite the catastrophic decline in production, there is no strong inflation. Accordingly, there are representatives of the West, who monitor the main indicators. And if, on a state scale, such a deal is feasible, since all services will cover it, then in a private way it is impossible. Even if everyone pays, it will simply become unprofitable. You know examples or similar schemes, share it, because for twenty years of work I have not observed any such.
                  1. +1
                    25 March 2017 01: 38
                    Whatever the reason, it’s all the same an emergency. And there must be a mandatory "debriefing." According to its results, some conclusions can be drawn. If those leaders who are responsible for storing b / p in this warehouse do not suffer punishment - there is definitely a shortage, if regime changes in the protection of facilities follow - I agree with Asadulla
              2. +1
                25 March 2017 07: 54
                Shortly before the Maidan, a Ukrainian cargo ship was detained with tanks and ammunition banned for delivery to South Sudan. And this is only one of the episodes. And Western and Russian intelligence know and can tell about many such cases. A lot of what happened Khokhlam from three first-class districts of the Soviet Army (Kiev, Carpathian and Odessa military districts) was smuggled under cunning schemes, or for cash to terrorists of all stripes and around the world. Moreover, the Kiev authorities and corrupt generals warmed up their hands on this. Therefore, what is there to be surprised at any one ammunition depot? It is possible that previously sold weapons, ammunition and tanks are now "written off" by the Kiev gang for the so-called ATO "war with Russia and the pro-Russian Donbass separatists."
          3. 0
            25 March 2017 06: 50
            Quote: Asadullah
            By and large do not give a damn about the version, it exploded and exploded, well and good
            - Kazan gunpowder last night - Your opinion has not changed?
            1. 0
              25 March 2017 10: 00
              - Kazan gunpowder last night - Your opinion has not changed?


              And he burns from time to time. In my lifetime there are already more than a dozen. Technology needs to be changed. As there was a mess from the eighties, it remained.
              1. 0
                25 March 2017 16: 17
                My question was to “well and good”: do we have “well and good” in Kazan too? Or in Ukraine "well and good", but in Kazan somehow differently? Do not consider it nit-picking, but in my opinion any tragedy (let it be a loss) is bad. Destroyed mattsennosti, lost life. Or is the “enemy” (Ukraine an enemy to you?) Is good, but the ally (Russia is your ally?) Is bad?
                For information - I'm not a pacifist.
                1. +10
                  25 March 2017 16: 32
                  My question was to “well and good”: do we have “well and good” in Kazan too? Or in Ukraine "well and good", but in Kazan somehow differently? Do not consider it nit-picking, but in my opinion any tragedy (let it be a loss) is bad. Destroyed mattsennosti, lost life. Or is the “enemy” (Ukraine an enemy to you?) Is good, but the ally (Russia is your ally?) Is bad?
                  For information - I'm not a pacifist.


                  You have a strange question. As soon as the Maidan began, without reasoning, he took all his relatives from Ukraine, for he knew how it would end. Fortunately, I had such an opportunity. Alas, the niece remained, moreover, she does Maidan and hates her relatives who left Ukraine, including her mother. Fortunately, they will not be taken away in the ATO, but otherwise, God is her judge. In the Donbass, my fellow soldier, awarded the USSR medal "For Courage", died on the side of the enemy, that is, the Ukraine Maidan. Having written to all his front-line soldiers on Afghanistan that he had met in battle, there would be no sentiment. What are you talking about!? Ukraine in the modern edition, an unconditional, unprincipled, ruthless enemy. The most dangerous enemy of civil war. The destruction of the enemy causes only satisfaction. Not out of personal bloodthirstiness, but out of joy that they will not kill our people. Material values ​​in the form of "Point U" missiles? Yes, to the applause! It is a pity that they did not rush in the Rada.
                  1. 0
                    25 March 2017 20: 02
                    Quote: Asadullah
                    Destruction of the enemy causes only satisfaction

                    That is, all those living (remaining living) in Ukraine are your enemies? That is, do you suggest (assume) everyone living in Ukraine to enjoy the explosion in Kazan (since they are enemies)? What does it look like (I don’t even know) - (sorry for some grandiloquence) is inhuman ... Or is the tradition to first throw a grenade at the door and then dismantle it? Soldier (if soldier), the war is over, no need to start a new one ...
                    1. +2
                      25 March 2017 23: 57
                      Or is the tradition of first throwing a grenade at the door, and then doesn’t let it go?


                      I understand what you are talking about. You do not understand what is happening in Ukraine. There is practically no neutral population left, which, on an outstretched hand, will stretch their own. Ukraine divided into the Russian world and against. It was divided not only in Ukraine, but also in Germany, and in Italy, and in Russia. Each for its own reasons and for the general. All who are against the Russian world are enemies for me. Those who are against and who were brought up by Russian culture or the Russian mother are traitors. Everything is very simple. And the war, not we started it, but we will end it. It may not be simple solutions, such as the one you mentioned, a dual-mode flash drive, it may be complex and multi-pass, but we will finish it.
                      1. 0
                        26 March 2017 19: 45
                        That is, turn the cold civil war in Russia into a hot one? We have an account of 86 (yours) / 14 (ours), 14% of the population is about 20 million approximately. What is the mechanism of victory over 20 million? Drive to the camps again? Or hunveibin bait? And to determine who will be against the Russian world? And to determine what is the "Russian world" who will be? I note that out of 86%, the majority will vote for any power that will be at the time of voting. There will be Hitler - they will vote for him, Putin - for him, Gorbachev - for him, Zyuganov - for him.
                        Quote: Asadullah
                        which on an outstretched hand, stretch their

                        Are you able to stretch yours? You, along with our media, easily recorded half of the Ukrainian population as ukrofashists, and how, under such conditions, to reach out your hand, even if you suddenly reach out for yours? Will you add another 20 million Ukrainian to the Russian 20 million? And everyone to the camps? Or how if these 40 million do not agree with you (you)? In addition to the "duvets" do you have recipes?
          4. 0
            26 March 2017 20: 35
            Ukraine from the beginning of the 1990s "won" first place among gray and black arms sellers in the world. Did you see the "weapons baron"?
        2. +1
          24 March 2017 17: 16
          in 90 they did this in Armenia and in Azerbaijan to conceal the sale of ammunition
        3. 0
          24 March 2017 23: 09
          It was not just a warehouse. There was a large arsenal of ammunition repair.
          1. 0
            25 March 2017 16: 20
            Phrase
            Quote: arty315
            ammunition repair arsenal

            I, as an amateur, do not understand, but any arsenal implies certain measures to prepare ammunition for disposal, and any punctures are possible within the framework of this activity ...
        4. +4
          25 March 2017 02: 52
          Basic version
      2. 0
        24 March 2017 09: 07
        Are you so sure?
    2. 0
      24 March 2017 12: 22
      Why guess, the truth is unlikely to find out. But there is a topic and why not chat.
      But you can use this topic to your advantage for the future.
      1. +3
        24 March 2017 12: 30
        the reason is the same as in Russia, the mentality is nowhere to go, we Slavs ... burn so as not to burn ... that was the case anyway, now the situation is changing, everything is being taken under control, (there is something) the outskirts of this need to ripen ... we, the situation is better than yours, and I remember how the warehouses were torn, and then I was still much younger, had to make a detour of 250 km to get to the enterprise ...
    3. +1
      24 March 2017 14: 13
      He came up with the version himself and writes himself that in the end it’s all stupid) And the fact that they could be brought from other places to the frontline b / p, or only a large caliber was stored in this warehouse lol The author himself writes that b / p at the Ukrainians is still a "sea". If anything can be transported from one warehouse to another. The version is crazy.
      There are two versions: this is sabotage (and by whom they are arranged, no one will ever know), or someone smoked.
      Lightning strikes not season yet.
    4. +1
      24 March 2017 17: 28
      The shells in this warehouse were stored on the ground in the open air, now it’s enough to throw a cigarette butt not extinguished so that the dry grass takes up. Two times near the house in the forest it was necessary to extinguish the grass after smokers
      1. 0
        24 March 2017 22: 36
        Well, as if by the rule of dry grass should not be, everything should be plowed, etc., etc.
        1. 0
          25 March 2017 23: 38
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Well, as if by the rule of dry grass should not be, everything should be plowed, etc., etc.

          It is plowed around the perimeter of the technical territory and around the warehouses. And so no one plows the whole territory. And if at the loading-unloading bp people smoke cigarettes, then no slop will save.
          1. 0
            26 March 2017 08: 48
            Quote: ramzes1776
            If at loading-unloading BP people smoke cigarettes

            are there stupid people serving?
            1. 0
              26 March 2017 21: 42
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote: ramzes1776
              If at loading-unloading BP people smoke cigarettes

              are there stupid people serving?

              The officers can be smart, and conscripts just smoke hotz. They do not care what ammunition around.
              1. 0
                27 March 2017 09: 45
                hence the same opiuery
    5. +1
      24 March 2017 20: 46
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      I think this version is the most believable. It took up immediately, in several places.

      The version is almost believable. It is better to remember when Ukraine was afraid of some kind of revision there? Yes, and no one was going to conduct this audit - this is generally outside the competence of the OSCE. Much more plausible is the sale of shells to Lugansk for coal. Until we reached the line of contact - these are shells for the "heroes" of the ATO. bully It’s worth a couple more kilometers to go by carriages — and this is the shells received by the militia supposedly from Russia. According to a similar scheme, the fighters for the first Chechen were supplied with cash for us, and then - just hiding the traces of the crime ...
    6. +3
      25 March 2017 09: 33
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      I think this version is the most believable. It took up immediately, in several places.

      Well, yes, the OSCE rushed to check the warehouses !!! The rocket, which 777 was shot down for a year, could not be found, but rather, they were not even going to. This version is the most delusional. Although the experience in the inquiry agency says that the most delusional versions must be considered, because their impossibility has not been proved. And then, what is the best version here, when they still cannot approach the scene? Engaged in several places? So in warehouses with b / p this is exactly how it should be. After the first explosion, there will be dozens of fires. Where is the witness who first saw the primary focus? To build versions on the basis of a news video in 10-15 seconds is utter nonsense. Ukraine will not tell the truth. Years later ... accidentally, something will come up. And we should hope that the Ukrainians never get a normal fire fighting technique, that everything burns to the ground, including at other bases, and it doesn’t matter for what reason and with what consequences. The main thing is that it is impossible to use the burned for its intended purpose.
    7. 0
      25 March 2017 13: 43
      Everything can be. But usually lights up in one place. The flame spreads inside and goes to places that easily ignite. And then getting to a larger one, it breaks out.
      1. 0
        25 March 2017 17: 08
        Quote: zenion
        Everything can be. But usually lights up in one place. The flame spreads inside and goes to places that easily ignite. And then getting to a larger one, it breaks out.

        Everything is true when it comes to the usual structure. For example, a fire in the police department of the Samara region. A bunch of papers, a bunch of papers behind the papers, that is, witnesses to the spread of the front of the fire - there is someone to interrogate productively. The ammunition depot is a bit special. This is not a passing yard. Those who are inside an illuminated building, and there are a lot of them in the warehouse, most likely will not see what is happening in the neighboring buildings. Given the dried wooden cork b / p, and they are usually mostly in wooden cork, although some may be in metal tubes, they will begin to explode in 10-15 minutes. Fire coming out, depending on the type of b / p, can begin almost immediately. There is a lot of unknown for remote assessment of events. I will only say one thing - if such fires occurred at the locations of the Tochka system or the OTR driguh, I would pour a glass and put a candle in the health of the DRG of the LDNR army.
    8. 0
      26 March 2017 04: 46
      The author’s version can be partially confirmed quite objectively. And this is a sharp decrease or cessation of shelling of the DNI with the appropriate calibers after the arsenal ignites in the “grocery”. We are waiting for an answer. hi
  2. +1
    24 March 2017 07: 00
    It is theoretically possible to calculate how much ammunition is stolen. There are papers for 100 percent storage, as well as for shipped ones. Ruinists need to collect all the shattered fragments, weigh them, but the rest uses arithmetic. Of course, if you have enough mind.
    1. +18
      24 March 2017 07: 11
      Quote: PTS-m
      It is theoretically possible to calculate how much ammunition is stolen. There are papers for 100 percent storage, as well as for shipped ones. Ruinists need to collect all the shattered fragments, weigh them, but the rest uses arithmetic. Of course, if you have enough mind.

      A joke inspired ...
      A train rides past a herd of horses. One of the compartment passengers says:
      - 735 horses ...
      Others are surprised:
      -How did you count so quickly?
      - Elementary. He counted the number of legs and divided by 4 ...
      1. 0
        25 March 2017 16: 21
        There are two Ukrainians. Happy holiday, godfather! Which one? I do not know. But the Kharkiv noble salute "zababahali!"
    2. +2
      24 March 2017 08: 20
      100 percent stock paper
      Do you think they are not burnt?
  3. +2
    24 March 2017 07: 05
    No. 6 Personally Putin wassat
    1. +3
      24 March 2017 14: 32
      Quote: lwxx
      No. 6 Personally Putin wassat

      I confirm that Medvedev’s absence was preparation for the upcoming bombings. But Putin didn’t come up with anything better than a cold.
      1. +3
        24 March 2017 14: 55
        Quote: Berkut752
        Medvedev's absence

        Medvedev did not cook, he personally blew up (a week scattered lighters with clockwork in different places and zombied the killer for Voronenkov). Therefore, the day of the explosion was for an alibi in Moscow. But he was pierced due to lack of experience, said that he was not sick. So the Russian footprint is the most believable. SBU will prove, you will see.
  4. +5
    24 March 2017 07: 08
    An emergency in warehouses always occurs before inspections and inventories. Someone wants to cover their tracks.
    1. +5
      24 March 2017 09: 28
      Maybe at least a smaller one will fly to Donbass? Then it is very pleasing. The rest is garbage, let them continue to jump.
      1. 0
        24 March 2017 20: 58
        Quote: Volzhanin
        Maybe at least a smaller one will fly to Donbass? Then it is very pleasing. The rest is garbage, let them continue to jump.

        138 thousand tons of almost 1100 thousand tons exploded - this is if we count only the munitions transferred to Ukraine from eastern Europe. Somewhere around 500 thousand tons of ammunition are stockpiles of the USSR in Ukraine. Many expired storage periods, and stored outdoors. But still, to hell left.
  5. +10
    24 March 2017 07: 09
    Warehouses with weapons were burning in Ukraine, burning and will burn more than once: business is business and nothing personal ... Now Ukraine is "top to bottom" riddled with profit and money-grubbing, everyone is trading what and how they can and fires in warehouses are simple " the accompanying factor “lead the ends into the water” must be hidden, and it is inconvenient for the inspirers and sponsors of the Maidan ...
  6. +6
    24 March 2017 07: 10
    The version that the warehouse explosion was organized before the arrival of the audit from Europe was announced yesterday (https://cont.ws/@user3885/564306). And she is very much like the truth.
    Although I won’t be surprised if the stubborn ones provide a couple of certificates of the generals of the GRU of the General Staff of the FSO of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the FSB of the Russian Federation (and with all these details at once), scorched by fire.
  7. +9
    24 March 2017 07: 31
    The version of the monitoring of the arsenal by the OSCE looks interesting ... but if the OSCE has such rights as monitoring artillery warehouses that are not even in a 50-kilometer zone? Fixing (!) L / s and equipment in the contact area is one thing, and monitoring the artillery storage armaments outside the contact area is an excuse. They will not be allowed to go there, because nefig ... there is a zone of responsibility, let them dig there. Another minus to the monitoring version is the work of the OSCE itself in the territories captured by the Armed Forces. Have you heard a lot of noise about the movement of equipment from the parking areas of the Armed Forces that were recorded by the OSCE? For three years of the war, these are isolated cases ... i.e. all movements are made with their own (OSCE) tacit agreement, and here are some kind of warehouses ...
    Yes, it is convenient to write off negligence and the sale of ammunition to the actions of various DRGs. But not necessarily the ammunition trade was conducted with Novorossia, it could be the warring banana republics. Now look what Poroshenko asked for in the last day ... and he asked for help from NATO, and let it be specific (according to Raikin) help, but who said that under the guise of this help there will be nothing else ... so we'll see to this firework ... and it is far from over.
    1. +2
      24 March 2017 08: 28
      Well, in pursuit of another version, those who wish can add a more detailed commentary ...
      Everyone remembers the words of Zakharchenko about the liberation of Donbass. Suppose that the BCH counter-offensive has begun ... it is necessary to specify at what speed the BCH will burn ammunition? Although they have a reserve, it is not unlimited, and such arsenals in the territories of neighboring regions are a zone of interest for the advancing. What can kakly do to avoid capture? That's right, to mine, for further destruction ... and any circuit closure will cause an explosion of a certain group of stockpiled ammunition ...
      ... and another version after it ... and what event went unnoticed amid the fire in these warehouses ...?
    2. avt
      +1
      24 March 2017 08: 43
      Quote: Canecat
      The version of the monitoring of the arsenal by the OSCE looks interesting ... but if the OSCE has such rights as monitoring artillery warehouses that are not even in a 50-kilometer zone?

      In light of Roman’s statement about
      I even allow myself to express the opinion that, apparently, the OSCE decided to conduct a check of the warehouses. And apply the calculator.
      Is this how long does it take to REALLY check? bully And then, Roman, well, from what kind of zahermaz to the great mukrams is this very test and the OSCE still afraid, in conjunction with the shelling of LDNR ??? wassat When the same OSCE in the UPOR does not see shelling on the ground and tanks in Avdeevka noticed only when they themselves took a picture of themselves standing next to them ?? Well, about 100 kilometers impassable for DRG bully ..... request Although if, as if based on Rambo, especially the last one in Nepal, it seems, well, on foot march in full combat with a rifle to the advantage and the flags of the LDNR .... Well, they’ll probably spot, the Separs bullyBut in general .... let it burn.
  8. +3
    24 March 2017 07: 41
    Fire battery, fire battalion
    fire, fire, agony ...
  9. +2
    24 March 2017 07: 50
    But just a violation of storage rules does not roll?
  10. +5
    24 March 2017 08: 30
    Who did throw the boots on the remote control in Balakliya?

  11. +6
    24 March 2017 09: 02
    Five versions. Omission: not a single Zhidobandera was injured in the sixth version. I proceed from the fact that the cries of the buggers are somehow unconvincing. Even Merkel does not tear on her underwear, and Hollande's behavior raises questions. Calmed down. But spring, rook again ... Young natsya ukrov with lard-year history has not yet been experienced: either they shoot on their own, now they steal from themselves, and the Jews are to blame. I guess: they are accumulating strength and waiting for the arrival of krivbas. Was here such in the fields of the promised. Yeah ... Here are the questions that arise. They wear pace on their faces (I saw it myself). Two. Gavrilyuk has one pais. On the head. Slipped? Merkel warning: scent lost. And Trump sent only one egg egg to strengthen the Zhidobandera from the diaspora. Explosions, corpses .... That same customer. He will run away, only those intimate, up to the heels, will be wrapped. Fence with mexico build. Remote controller ... . Boots are no longer needed. Winter is over. Low flew. The cultivation has begun.
    1. +4
      24 March 2017 10: 27
      ...Wow! Even Zhvanetsky dwells in VO ... laughing
      1. +2
        24 March 2017 15: 01
        But is this Jew credible to you? He has a luxurious apartment in Odessa and Moscow. And he earns money both in dill and in "Muscovites. And, what do you want, God’s chosen nation ...
        1. +3
          24 March 2017 17: 23
          Seryozhenka. Golubchik. I'm about the style of writing a comment, and not about the authority of Mishenka (be he Grandfather or Zhvanetsky). To look into someone else's pocket and wallet is outrageously ... I hope you understand my hint ... hi
          1. +2
            25 March 2017 09: 17
            “Nachtigal” is the SSKhokhlyansky division. And where does the flag of the Russian Federation come from? Well, did you organize the fifth column in “Moskal”. Perhaps the wallet is replenished from the “right sector”?
            1. 0
              26 March 2017 11: 02
              belay ... yeah ... your plywood whistles in full ... sad
  12. +2
    24 March 2017 09: 18
    Let them go further in the same direction - it will be less than to shoot at the Donbass.
  13. +2
    24 March 2017 09: 31
    According to media outlets, there is some kind of nonsense there, it all comes down to Russia and the DPR. The fire started at once at several points, that is, “arsonists” several people or remote devices, which is most likely. What kind of bastards were not gouging, they should understand that they are the first kirdyk. And according to reports, they did not suffer (if they do not lie). Conclusion arson committed by the arsenal, and prepared in advance. This is my opinion, maybe I didn’t think of anything.
  14. +8
    24 March 2017 09: 43
    The less violent a neighbor has flammable objects, the calmer it is to sleep. Whatever it was - a terrorist attack, sabotage, set fire to cover up traces, an explosion of Chinese pyrotechnics in a rented warehouse, I will say one thing - the result is satisfied))).
  15. +4
    24 March 2017 09: 51
    Quote: monk
    Let them go further in the same direction - it will be less than to shoot at the Donbass.

    Definitely. And more such provocations. Each burnt warehouse ukrov-is life in the Donbas.
  16. 0
    24 March 2017 10: 04
    Interesting version.
  17. +1
    24 March 2017 10: 58
    You just need to look at the photos of the soldiers laid out before the fire in the warehouse, and it will even be somewhat surprising why he hadn’t pulled it before, it might surprise someone, but they didn’t give out weapons to the guard!
  18. +1
    24 March 2017 11: 07
    I think that the variant with the theft of ammunition by ukrovoyaki can also take place.
    One does not exclude the other.
  19. 0
    24 March 2017 11: 10
    For Svidomo “grocers” from Balakliya, the words of the author R. Skomorokhov about their stupid versions about the fire in the arsenal do not mean anything. Svidomo with crests on their heads have long been accustomed to the fact that the West all hawks what they said, even incredible assumptions are accepted by Western connoisseurs of their Western values ​​for truth. What really is some regular stupidity!
  20. 0
    24 March 2017 12: 20
    Fifth. no options.
  21. +2
    24 March 2017 12: 21
    Ukraine is a leader in the market of illegal weapons. And the explosions of stockpiles will continue, because you need to hide the theft of weapons and ammunition from warehouses (in order to sell them later on the illegal weapons market). That's all
  22. 0
    24 March 2017 12: 26
    I saw in the photo from the base from all the shells the copper belts are already stripped off, what happens if the shells are well-mannered, even though all the flaked shells do not happen to them, this happened at home, but they ripped off the same copper:
    https://youtu.be/wcRiWUDEr9Q
  23. +3
    24 March 2017 12: 34
    The nodes of combat missiles use precious metals. And as an option, given the poverty that Ukraine is plunging more and more into, one can also assume as a version the situation in which a criminal group mining gold, platinum, palladium and other rare-earth metals from ammunition formed on the object, and in order to avoid exposure and hide traces crimes-have arranged sabotage. (no matter who the persons serving in the arsenal know thoroughly the most vulnerable places)
  24. 0
    24 March 2017 12: 36
    ... apparently, the OSCE decided to check the warehouses. And apply the calculator. And here it is, the result ...

    Does the OSCE have the authority to audit the AFU stores?
  25. 0
    24 March 2017 12: 39
    Trump created a commission, so the Ukrainians and hedged themselves.
  26. +1
    24 March 2017 12: 39
    It's simple, several birds with one stone were killed at once, and the United States got a reason to ask for help and a meeting in the Donbass was ripped off and the ends of the weapons sold were chopped off. But I’m only afraid that an aggravation in Syria is soon to be expected, most likely the weapons went to the Ishilovites.
  27. 0
    24 March 2017 12: 45
    It seems like logical.
  28. +3
    24 March 2017 12: 50
    why reinvent the wheel
  29. +1
    24 March 2017 13: 26
    [quote = Asadullah] [quote] ... infuriated the author’s aplomb about a hundred kilometers unbearable for special forces. Participants will understand, because I risk getting another warning. [/ Quote]
    And what is really furious? You look at another phrase, to whom it should be sent to undermine the warehouse, is that a partisan detachment sent in the area? If warehouses were pulled all over Novorossiya from Odessa to Chernigov at the same time, then one could talk about special forces, Russian special operations, and an uncle and a half liter storeroom exploded.
    1. 0
      24 March 2017 16: 30
      Quote: uralant
      to undermine the warehouse, this is what the partisan detachment to send

      For such a thing you do not need to fig people. Enough - to a fig of money.
  30. 0
    24 March 2017 13: 27
    It looks silly in our eyes. But puppeteers consider this a virtuoso solution in every way. You can cover your ass and, at the same time, blame Russia for everything. They are, in any case, the injured party.
  31. +3
    24 March 2017 13: 36
    You obviously haven't watched the movie Sergeant Bilko. Look and understand how you need to take revisions, if you steal. If it were necessary to report to the OSCE, then they would simply bring ammunition from another warehouse. Or they would stupidly put empty crates in the middle of the heap (obviously, all OSCE crates will not open to make sure that there are real shells, not a bunch of bricks). In addition, you obviously did not see how the OSCE stubbornly does not notice the fake withdrawal of troops and shelling. With such an active racket, Potroshenko can openly tell them that we released these two cars in the hospital, but that carriage of shells at the school, one fig in the report will be all a bunch. Well, maybe they’ll find a trifle. Based on this, it exploded once, it just didn’t work to shift the goods or slip the linden, which means that the decision-making level is slightly higher than the local bloodsucker
  32. +1
    24 March 2017 13: 59
    There are many versions and each claims to be true. And if like Ilf and Petrov in the "Golden Calf"? "... Everything was clear. The house was doomed. It could not help burn out. And indeed, at twelve o'clock in the morning it burned, set ablaze at once from the six ends." Cards could lie down like that. Just like with the Maidan, all interested parties pursued their goals, and Ukraine was doomed, "... swam ... from six directions at once ...". But jokes are jokes, and a fire during humid weather with moderate temperatures day and night is man-made. whose hands would not have made him. Remember: "... We hope that they have enough ammunition to respond to the aggressive actions of the Ukrainian armed forces.", - said Peskov. .. "And if the main thing is true, then the opposite is true:" ... We hope that the APU does not have enough ammunition for aggressive actions against the DNI of the LPR ... "In any case, the end of the Voronoi Sloboda is a foregone conclusion.
  33. +1
    24 March 2017 14: 10
    Ammunition depots burned, burn and burn everywhere in different countries and continents wherever they are. It’s just for Ukraine this is another reason to blame Russia for everything serious ... In order to cover up our own powerlessness and carelessness, it’s much more pleasant to think that someone has arranged a sabotage than to understand that what happened was just another raz3,14zdzystvie brave ukrovoyak
  34. +1
    24 March 2017 15: 53
    Well, God bless them (warehouses) !!!! We’ll never know, And we need it ?????? The main result is that not one piece of iron from this landfill will no longer fall into the territory of New Russia !!!!
  35. 0
    24 March 2017 16: 03
    Quote: MP Taraz
    Ammunition depots burned, burn and burn everywhere in different countries and continents wherever they are. It’s just for Ukraine this is another reason to blame Russia for everything serious ... In order to cover up our own powerlessness and carelessness, it’s much more pleasant to think that someone has arranged a sabotage than to understand that what happened was just another raz3,14zdzystvie brave ukrovoyak

    Quote: MP Taraz
    Ammunition depots burned, burn and burn everywhere in different countries and continents wherever they are. It’s just for Ukraine this is another reason to blame Russia for everything serious ... In order to cover up our own powerlessness and carelessness, it’s much more pleasant to think that someone has arranged a sabotage than to understand that what happened was just another raz3,14zdzystvie brave ukrovoyak
    1. +1
      24 March 2017 16: 07
      This is a simple matter for trained people. Call sign "Cigarette butt" and "Breeze" - an extraordinary rank and award!
  36. Mwg
    0
    24 March 2017 16: 05
    And who then launched a terrorist attack in the village of Nikolaevka, Melitopol district, Zaparozh region in 2013, when art warehouses were swept there? Then, did the Great-Ukrainian still seem to be friends with Russia?
    1. 0
      24 March 2017 16: 16
      You always need to look for someone who benefits. 2013- sale of weapons beyond the hill + armament banderlogov (unofficial) .so think brothers, think!
      1. Mwg
        0
        24 March 2017 17: 04
        Yes, it’s not a profit - distribution ... to blame for everything. This is a national trait of the Great Duck. Always joyfully hope for the best. I spent two years of their life with them, I was in the east and in the northwest, everywhere the same thing
  37. +1
    24 March 2017 16: 28
    Very interesting, but as always there is BUT)) In order to calculate something, you need to know how much it was. And where does the OSCE get accurate data on the amount of ammunition stored? Isn’t it easier to write fictitious invoices than to nightmare your own warehouse? This is nonsense. I have an 2 version: either sloppiness, or really a terrorist attack.
    1. 0
      24 March 2017 16: 41
      Probably the explosion of military weapons depots in a country where there is a civil war to call a terrorist attack is somehow unwise. Elimination of a special threat, wherever it went! But the attack does not pull.
    2. Mwg
      0
      24 March 2017 17: 06
      Pure ... pure food, and only that, believe the word
      1. 0
        24 March 2017 17: 13
        Well here Kama as you like. For me, it’s preferable to eliminate dangerous toys for the Neo -ertals, others themselves can get hurt.
        1. Mwg
          0
          24 March 2017 17: 23
          I myself was present at an overload of shells back in Soviet times, when at one of the Neanderthals the plane-man flew into boxes with RS - goosebumps on the back. They answered the question: yes, there, the lid is locked there. National mentality, believe me
          1. 0
            24 March 2017 17: 36
            Yes, probably somehow nyatyatoo. Sevastopol 1987 loading the main ammunition on the ship. I confess. Russian. Sitting on boxes with shells (57mm) 2200 pieces allowed to arrange a smoke break.
  38. 0
    24 March 2017 18: 24
    ... it’s very easy to throw all ends into the water with such a Makar, which calves do not pass! And no one will ever know how many ammunition has been transferred to our beloved DAISH, ISIS according to our ...
  39. 0
    24 March 2017 18: 47
    Why, Ukrainians would not have thought of it, too hodovochka for them is complicated. It is corny trade. Avtur was too clever. And why not in wagons lead through customs to LDNR. Unaccounted for are brought to the front line and LDNR is sold for what they want (denyuzhku, coal, metal, etc.). Looks like they passed and the audit goes. That's all simple.
  40. +3
    24 March 2017 19: 29
    In the autumn of 1983, in Kushka, too, the warehouses were not so badly flushed. They told the "bike" that the "demobilization" unsuccessfully shot their rocket launchers. Days 15, the border was closed to the columns.
  41. +1
    24 March 2017 22: 09
    Somehow, so modestly, the author appropriated the titles of the most adequate, the largest specialist in special forces, a specialist in shock drones, etc. etc.
    About the revision of the OSCE - enchanting. After all, the OSCE has accurate data on the availability, income and expenditure of everything that has been in these warehouses since 91. So they will come, count the boxes - and everything is clear. The version of the most adequate specialist is immediately visible.
    But simply stealing from selling anywhere, even in the Donbass, according to the author, is impossible. And to transport a carriage with ammunition through the territory of Ukraine is a super task.
    If the author has familiar Serbs or Croats who were at war in 91-95, let him ask how the saying "To the war, to whom the mother is relatives" is realized.
    Or maybe really on a booze ignited?
    1. +2
      24 March 2017 23: 00
      After an institute in the 90th year, I went there for 1.5 months. There was a normal order. Served the pros. And now, I think, everything has changed for the worse. And sooner or later it should have been pulled in any way.
      1. +1
        24 March 2017 23: 16
        Quote: arty315
        officer internship after graduation in the 90 year of the 1.5 month

        - is that what you called military training there, or what?
        - that is, you are not a lieutenant yet, and something like a partisan camp for the Sududentoff?
      2. +5
        24 March 2017 23: 35
        Our deputy always said: “If we don’t talk about war and saboteurs, warehouses explode only in two cases: when they are ordered to blow up or when they want to hide theft.”
        The huge arsenals of the Soviet army were scattered throughout the USSR, and therefore remained in the former Soviet republics.
        And here is an interesting point. In Belarus, Moldova, the Baltic states or Kyrgyzstan there, warehouses do not explode. But for the past 25 years they regularly break in Ukraine. Moreover, the perpetrators must be found, but in the form of those killed by explosions and flames. But there is one more interesting statistic. For the same 25 recent years, only open sources can count more than forty fires and explosions in the warehouses of the Russian army. Ground forces and the fleet work together. Moreover, two-thirds of all major emergency situations occur in the Far East - in the warehouses and arsenals of the army and the Pacific Fleet (Pacific Fleet).
        Based on the logic of the author of the article - they blow up so that the Chinese or Japanese do not get it.
  42. +1
    25 March 2017 00: 41
    it is possible that the ammunition was dismantled for scrap or metal, some explosives in ammunition that are not resistant to oxidation in air or under the influence of atmospheric precipitation, the pros know better. These are knock-out elements for rockets, acid heaters, a capsule in insulating gas masks and there a lot of oxygen is released. Everything could be disposed of in a heap in the rain, and as a result of heating, a fire, an explosion, and a spread of burning elements. The truth depends on the political insinuations to whom and how to bring it.
  43. +1
    25 March 2017 08: 34
    How did drones shoot in the fire zone?
  44. +1
    25 March 2017 11: 49
    Was in these warehouses in 1988-1989gg. several times. Boxes with shells were stored in the 5 m-x pyramids in the open air, but the missiles in the closed caponiers and they pulled it! Warehouses were protected by the VOKhR in those years, the area of ​​the territory was approximately 6-8 sq. Km.
  45. +1
    25 March 2017 21: 42
    A long time ago, when the Soviet Union, schoolchildren (officers' children) made their way to one regimental warehouse of RAVs and dismantled several charges for a 125-mm tank gun for pasta! Then they started pyromania nearby! Who knows what fun these pasta burn and fly! the truth didn’t come because the children were caught and after pedagogical moralizing vowed to spend vacations near the guarded facilities! The warehouse security plan was revised and the dead zone was eliminated! What am I doing? And in Ukraine, when do children start school holidays?