Who is there in the "green berets" wants? Comment on comments

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I read the comments on a recent article about the American view of our Special Operations Forces (MTR). As usual, in the comments to articles of this kind, readers "roll down" to a comparison of "their" and "us." And from the abundance of "patriotic fervor" they conclude that their supernashies and "fie on them" are theirs. Attempts by specialists to clarify, within the framework of what is permitted, who is who, stumble upon comments from "uryakalok."

Who is there in the "green berets" wants? Comment on comments




In order to slightly expand the knowledge of our readers about what the US MTR is, in particular, the famous “green berets,” I decided to write this material. The enemy can not be afraid. But the enemy must be known and respected. 80 also didn’t pass as we sang:

"We do not want war, but we will protect ourselves -
We mount defense for a reason.
And in enemy land, we will crush the enemy
Little blood, a mighty blow! "

How did such moods end, we also remember. Therefore, the Victory Day is with tears in our eyes. We say “thank you” to tens of millions of living and dead defenders of the Motherland. We say thank you for our life, for freedom ...

The US Army Special Forces, better known to our readers as Green Berets, are special units of the US Army destined for RDO, guerrilla warfare in the rear of the enemy, counter-guerrilla and counter-terrorist operations and others. The motto of the "green berets" was the slogan "Free from Oppression" (De Oppresso Liber).

And now let's “join” the “green berets” all together. To go at least virtually everything that ordinary candidates are experiencing.

First of all, I will “chill” those who are torn in “ZB” right from school. You go there the road is closed initially. In order to become a candidate in the "ST", you must already be a soldier of the US Land Forces (the condition is mandatory, without any exceptions). Moreover, you must have the obligatory experience of skydiving.

But you are lucky. You are a soldier or a sergeant of the American army, jumped with a parachute and selected to take a qualifying course for special forces. Just three weeks of exhausting humbling and humiliation, sleepless nights, and 10-kilometer crossings, sergeant tests and bullying. Well, and other "merry" army things American special forces.

The first days you are lucky. You fall into the hands of the "eggheads". You write tests, you talk to the ladies from the psychological service. And in the evenings the sergeants "mock" you. Tests, tests, tests ... And each test is a reason to deduct you from the number of candidates. By the way, those famous footage when an American sergeant yells at a soldier is also a test for psychological stability. And the "run" in the bellies of soldiers too. Stress resistance...

Gradually, in a few days, you begin to "drive" on physical training. Just for those who like to compare the load, I’ll give some criteria for the selection of candidates. The candidate must: 80 once wrung out from the floor, make 100 torso lifts from the supine position, 15 pull up on the crossbar (2 min for each exercise). Well, for runners there is a cross. Total 3,2 km. I do not want to run. Over 12 minutes. Otherwise, they will not give more run.

And on the "snack" runners waiting for marches. Number four in four days. The first two days - "unloading". Total 18 kilograms in a backpack, and forward - 10 km. The last "runs" will load the sergeant to 20 kg ... There is nothing to run "empty". A standard - 90 minutes.

But do not think that the "egg heads" got rid of you at this time. No, the tests continue. And the sergeants are bullied in the same way. Only now added more officers. They study, more precisely, research the special training of candidates. Topography, communication, possession weapons, possession of military equipment ...

You are strong, patient, purposeful. You want to become a green beret. Therefore suffered two weeks. Commander's week has come. Each of the candidates suddenly becomes the commander of a real group. They are given a task, and ... go ahead. Gather a team, assign roles, get your orders fulfilled. Himself, all myself. No one will help. And your comrades will just laugh at your references to the statutes and orders of other commanders. And this bastard, your sergeant, with a smirk and a cigarette in his mouth, sits on the sidelines and periodically scares the local fauna with “horse neighing” from your teams and commanding decisions.

After three weeks, the most critical part of your tests comes. "Eggheads," sergeants, commanders render their verdict. Whether you are in the chosen profession or not. Any of them can "stall" your further career. Further tests. Like at school. In all subjects. And ratings ...

Last build. The ranks of those who stood for three weeks in this system have thinned significantly. Approximately 40-45% left.

Those who left, no one blames. You stayed. You won! So, now your way to the rangers training battalion. And on your chest you have the first reward. The sign of the passage of the initial training of the Rangers.

And here he is, the holy of holies of American special forces. Fort Bragg! Here you have to stay from 13 to 45 weeks. This is where you will pass the green beret qualification course. Here you have to become a specialist. And not a specialist "broad profile."

The training course at Fort Bragg is divided in the same way as at the selection stage into three phases. In the first weeks you study the basic military disciplines. From topography to the ability to command a group. The course is quite serious. You get knowledge and skills of a sergeant in a short time.

Practically during this period, you understand that any of your comrades, like you yourself, may well now become a quite good army sergeant and serve in the "normal" American army without tension. In addition, you and your commanders define your "hobbies." Simply put, your military specialization is determined.

The most important stage, in my opinion, comes later. You become a specialist. Someone - shooter-sniper. Someone is a signalman. Someone is a sapper. Someone - "doctor". Chase on the chosen specialty mercilessly. If you really wanted to become a sniper - be just a sniper, and not an excellent shooter. If the sapper, then no worse than an army specialist. And even better. And so everywhere.

However, this does not cancel classes in other disciplines. Advanced sergeant courses in all types of training! Naturally, everything is against the background of constant intensive physical training. Plus, marches through the day and daily classes in hand-to-hand combat.

By the way, with the physical training in the "green berets" everything is in order. The myth of the Americans as weaklings does not pass here. Strong, trained and trained fighters. Owning the most modern martial arts and any weapon.

The course ends. There comes a time that is known to many specialists as passing exams, for example, for a maroon takes or something like that. The time when you get the title of fighter of a special unit. And you can call yourself no longer a candidate for the “ZB”, but a “green beret”.

Temporary teams are formed from the cadets to perform specific combat missions. A regular team is 12 people of different types of specialists. Depending on the task, the commander completes the team with the necessary specialists. By the way, exactly the same groups are the basis of the mouth of the "green berets" in combat units. In the 5 company of such groups.

In the center of North Carolina is the Yoharri National Forest. It is there that the first “combat” operation of the newly-reclaimed “ZB” takes place. In fact, this event is held after each release and has the code name "Robin Sage".

The tasks are set in such a way that all candidates can show all the skills and abilities acquired during their studies. Now the backpack is real. With real gear and real weight. 40-45 kilograms. Now you need to blow up real objects. Now you need to work in the rear of the enemy, who not only knows that you are near, but is very much looking forward to meeting.

A few days of survival in the rear of the enemy, the implementation of the combat mission. Finally the day you have been waiting for so long comes. You first get the green beret! And on your chest appears a sign of "green berets". Well, a soldier is always a soldier, on his shoulder tattoo.

By the way, given that the majority of readers of the Military Review have already had or were related to the army, and far from ordinary, I’ll have a little bit to cool this category as well. Officers and warrant officers (although there is no such thing in the American army, something remotely resembling warrant officers called warrant officers) are trained the same way. The only privilege is special groups for officers. The rest is the same as the soldiers. With the same loads.

Do you think that your adventures of today are over, and the good four-legged sofa friend can take the new green beret into his arms? In vain. You still have to go 6-month courses of foreign languages. Depending on the region where you will serve. Which group will you get into? Yes, and your place of service will be strictly regulated. For example, do you look like a resident of Southeast Asia or the Pacific? Then serve you on Okinawa. And learn Japanese. Want to stay in Fort Bragg? No problem. Learn Spanish and get ready to fight in West Africa or the Caribbean. Europe? German language and service in Stuttgart.

At the beginning of the article I wrote that one should not underestimate the enemy. And what our fighters in Syria are facing today is not dekhkans and traders. These are people trained by graduates of Fort Bragg. Trained, trained and highly motivated enemies. That is why victories are not easy there.

And some frivolity in presenting the path of a simple "green beret" is not caused by disregard of the enemy. Simply, as many commentators on the above article clearly noted, we beat them, beat them and will beat them. And because we are not weaker. And because we are fighting for the Motherland, and not for money. The soldier's gut can't be changed ...
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  1. +13
    22 March 2017 06: 25
    In Russia, as in the USSR, training is more complicated and harsher. Even the Americans say it. And they know it. And so far in Syria we have had no clashes, but the special forces of all countries have climbed up there changing ISIS. So you have to keep your eyes open.
    1. +36
      22 March 2017 06: 53
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      .And so far in Syria we have had no clashes
      .


      Far from a fact ... Even if they were, no one will talk about it.
    2. +6
      22 March 2017 11: 49
      For every green beret there is a Vietnamese peasant. laughing What can they do except cut off the ears of the unarmed? laughing
      1. +38
        22 March 2017 13: 32
        This is not true. Green berets have shown themselves well in Cambodia and in Laos and in southern Vietnam. They write to you in plain text - respect your opponent differently, wash yourself with blood.
        1. +5
          22 March 2017 18: 51
          Their main job was training partisans
      2. Alf
        +3
        22 March 2017 19: 46
        Quote: siberalt
        For every green beret there is a Vietnamese peasant. laughing What can they do except cut off the ears of the unarmed? laughing

        And you think, how can an enemy soldier be deprived of a weapon?
    3. +3
      22 March 2017 16: 48
      do you mean face-to-face collisions? this is not necessary in principle. enough insurgents.
    4. +15
      23 March 2017 14: 40
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      in Syria we had no clashes

      They don’t talk about this. When absolutely bake infa breaks, when the "Caliber" extinguished the NATO headquarters in Syria. Or in Aleppo they went into the basement full of NATO advisers. And earlier, in 2014, in the spring, the news slipped that a group of specialists from the states disappeared in the Donbass, after which McCain immediately flew there. And silence. Well, they themselves were not lost and the miners did not disperse them with shovels. so there are these clashes, only those who are supposed to know about them. And about the "account" of such "meetings".
      1. 0
        23 March 2017 14: 43
        I remember it was. And that someone shot US instructors in Odessa too. But it's all rumors!
        1. +1
          20 November 2017 17: 08
          and lice coffins are also rumors ....
    5. +7
      23 March 2017 17: 31
      It’s most likely that they will throw such green berets to our rear, in the patrol areas of Yars and Topol.
      1. KCA
        +5
        24 March 2017 09: 09
        Freight One doesn’t ride on its own, but with an anti-sabotage group, an easy walk at the “berets” it just won’t work out in our forests, they’ll meet, they can cram tea with dryers
  2. +56
    22 March 2017 06: 37
    The candidate must: 80 times squeeze from the floor, make 100 torso lifts from a supine position, 15 times pull up on the bar (2 minutes for each exercise). Well, for runners, there is cross. Only 3,2 km. Run, I do not want. In 12 minutes. Otherwise they will not let me run anymore.
    I did not know that in 16 years I was passing the norm of the US special forces wassat
    1. +20
      22 March 2017 07: 05
      Yes, the standards for selection in the ST are quite surmountable for the majority of the RA military personnel.
      1. +18
        22 March 2017 10: 41
        Quote: Thirteenth
        Yes, the standards for selection in the ST are quite surmountable for the majority of the RA military personnel.

        Are you sure? 8)))
        I would not be so categorical.
        1. +10
          22 March 2017 14: 24
          yes, sure. I myself served, I saw. Moreover, I did not serve in the Airborne Forces or Special Forces, but in the regular infantry.
          And super mega pros are made of them already in the learning process.
          1. +3
            22 March 2017 21: 06
            I also advise you to download the Manual on FP.
            And about where you served ... Obviously not in the infantry. 8)))
            1. +6
              22 March 2017 21: 52
              [quote = Shovels
              And about where you served ... Obviously not in the infantry

              Well, of course. Who else but you know where I served)))
              1. +10
                22 March 2017 23: 15
                I just served in the most infantry regiment. With the draft contingent, which was pulled 3 times by ten.

                Here is the real fact number one: the most difficult standards of the Manual on physical training are the standards for cadets of higher educational institutions of the second and higher courses
                Fact number two - the standards for candidates for training in the Green Berets program are more stringent than for senior students of higher educational institutions. In particular, by pulling-up twice, cross-country for 20 seconds.

                If everything was, as you say, and "norms for selection in the ST completely surmountable for the majority of RA military personnel"(c), then all units of the Russian Army would have a solid" Excellent "mark on physical training during the inspections.
                In real life, in the infantry, the assessment of units in the FI ranges between "good" and "satisfactory", if the inspectors are well put down.
                Can you explain this paradox?
                1. +8
                  23 March 2017 13: 57
                  From the couch to the army, always like that. But after half a year, even the most deadly people passed the standards for physical training. To tighten physical fitness, as practice shows, is not a problem, the main psychological condition and everything connected with it. I know that the best fighters of the elite units were removed by the leadership from performing certain special tasks because of the psychological state at the moment.
                  And so, the Hindu special forces hammer nails into their skull ...
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                3. 0
                  27 March 2017 19: 37
                  Quote: Spade
                  In real life, in the infantry, the assessment of units in the FI ranges between "good" and "satisfactory", if the inspectors are well put down.
                  Can you explain this paradox?


                  the rating is assigned to the unit according to the latest :)
        2. +2
          23 March 2017 11: 53
          We had 12 pull-ups, 50 on the press and 50 push-ups, of course, of course. Well, the crosses by itself, the kuj without them.
          1. +4
            24 March 2017 06: 31
            1990. Training “Ovens”, Borisov.V / H 68559. Pulling up 16 times, 3 km cross run at 11:45 with a thumb on his left foot (he played football unsuccessfully the day before) he ran with his left foot only on the heel. Passed the Moscow check for the entire battalion. True, our 1st company was considered a sports company. Sometimes a day’s raid was more than 20 km.
      2. BAI
        +7
        22 March 2017 15: 12
        A graduate of Mozhaika in 1990 could never catch up. Is this the majority?
      3. +9
        22 March 2017 23: 19
        Yes, the standards for selection in the ST are quite surmountable for the majority of the RA military personnel.


        Lies, in CA 15 times two of 10 km (and not 3) will be pulled up in 3,2 minutes in boots- the lungs will turn out. Moreover, this is the beginning of the 14s, the flight school, the people are absolutely healthy from the point of view of doctors and the order of the Ministry of Defense in the first group. If they are really taken that way, then the dropout should not be 80%, but 55. However, the preliminary dropout, probably, is also at the stage of sending from the unit.

        Only such "cool", and even smart with knowledge of languages, how much will they pick up? Well, let the division grind and spit on the scales of Stalingrad. Ordinary soldiers are fighting. Lucky to survive in the first battles, any special forces are a jerk in front of such a soldier.
    2. +11
      22 March 2017 07: 17
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I did not know that in 16 years I was passing the norm of the US special forces

      laughing That's it, Sanya, go to Fort Bregg laughing
      1. +31
        22 March 2017 07: 26
        So what is ironic, Alexander? Actually, these are the usual standards in my high school at 5. Only cross was on 3 km. and time, God forbid, 13 minutes or 12.45, something like that, I no longer remember, 30 years have passed. And pull-ups and push-ups - so it was. And they handed over, no one died.
        1. +23
          22 March 2017 07: 33
          inkass_98 it was another generation who did not see computers, I think for most Pepsi generation these results are not achievable laughing
          1. +5
            22 March 2017 13: 04
            It’s interesting, what generation do you think is now in the MTR of the Ministry of Defense, special forces of the FSB, etc. serves? The standards there are not much different from green berets.
        2. +3
          22 March 2017 07: 50
          Quote: inkass_98
          Actually, these are the usual standards in my high school at "5". Only cross was 3 km.

          What does it have to do with grade 5, they ran at the stadium for three kilometers
          1. +4
            22 March 2017 22: 00
            One phrase from a young officer from our STs was remembered ... "Since we are training scouts at the initial stage, they should prepare any soldier regardless of the type of troops ..." and something tells me that our army is on this very path. ..
        3. +2
          22 March 2017 11: 01
          Quote: inkass_98
          Actually, these are the usual standards in my high school at "5".

          Your school was cool ... The standards are higher than what was required of the Soviet Army
          1. +9
            22 March 2017 13: 10
            The standards are higher than required from the Soviet Army

            Not higher, the standard is excellent 3km - 11.40 min in Boots
            1. +1
              22 March 2017 18: 55
              Quote: Airborne6
              Not higher, the standard is excellent 3km - 11.40 minutes in boots

              You are obviously confusing something. Download the Manual.
        4. +11
          22 March 2017 14: 28
          Quote: inkass_98
          Only cross was 3 km. and time, God forbid, 13 minutes or 12.45,

          Yes, that’s how it was and it’s about, now it’s true that you’ve come up with some points.
          Now the standards for the FP for contractors
          Men up to 30 years old:

          - pull-ups on the crossbar: 10 times

          - push ups: 45 times

          - 60 meter run: 9,8 seconds

          - 100 meter run: 15,1 s

          - Shuttle run 10x10 meters: 28,5 s.

          - 3 km run: 14,4 minutes

          - 1 km run: 4,2 minutes

          - ski race (5km): 28 minutes

          Airborne Forces
          - pull-ups on the crossbar: 13 times

          - 100 meter run: 14,1 seconds

          - 3 km run: 12,3 minutes

          - cross 5 km: 24 minutes

          - 5 km ski race: 28 minutes

          - ski march 10 km: 1 hour 15 minutes

          - unit march roll: 56 minutes

          - overcoming an obstacle course: 2 minutes 25 seconds

          - swimming in uniforms with weapons: 100 meters

          - special hand-to-hand combat complex: rated by a point

          In addition to everything, there are several power systems and a series of tests to overcome the obstacle course.

          SPECIAL SERVICES: DIVISIONS OF THE SPECIAL PURPOSE "VIMPEL", "ALFA", SPECIAL OFFICE FSO
          - pull-ups on the crossbar: 25 times

          - push ups: 90 times

          - bench press lying: 10 times (weight is not less than its own, but not more than 100 kg)

          - press lying on your back: 100 times

          - Shuttle run 10x10 meters: 25 seconds

          - 100 meter run: 12,7 seconds

          - cross 3 km: 11 minutes

          - jumping up with a change of legs: 90 times
          KSU (complex strength exercise). This includes: 10 push-ups from the floor, 10 times the press lying on your back, 10 times an emphasis crouching - an emphasis lying down, 10 times a jump up from an emphasis crouching. And this complex needs to be performed 8 times in a row without a break
          1. +5
            22 March 2017 15: 26
            Quote: Ascetic
            - jumping up with a change of legs: 90 times

            But what if a person has only one set of legs?
            1. +5
              22 March 2017 22: 36
              Quote: Vint73
              But what if a person has only one set of legs?

              You don’t need to teach me grammar ... the exercise is called with a change of legs and not legs .. in the colloquial word "Multiplication" for those who are in
          2. +2
            22 March 2017 18: 54
            Quote: Ascetic
            Yes, that’s how it was and it’s about, now it’s true that you’ve come up with some points.
            Now the standards for the FP for contractors



            Honestly, I know 1 lesson where these standards are increased and I don’t care what is written - moreover, the requirements are such for the “cleanliness” of the exercise that only 25 of the 14 pull-ups graduated from the Institute of Physics were protected :)
        5. 2ez
          +4
          22 March 2017 17: 29
          http://scfoton.ru/normativ-bega-na-3-km Все четко и ясно. Силы ССО РФ - 11.0, остальные - больше времени. Но все зависит от условий забега. Одно дело по дорожке стадиона в кроссовках, и другое - бег по пересеченке в полной боевой...
        6. +4
          22 March 2017 22: 37
          Quote: inkass_98
          Only cross was 3 km. and time

          It was 3 km for time and 5 km for endurance, by choice. I always chose 5 km ... did not like the hustle and bustle. Yes
      2. +8
        22 March 2017 07: 49
        Quote: domokl
        That's it, Sanya, go to Fort Bregg

        What should I do there Sanya, I love my homeland winked
      3. +6
        22 March 2017 11: 13
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I did not know that in 16 years I was passing the norm of the US special forces

        laughing That's it, Sanya, go to Fort Bregg laughing


        like Romanov, good riddance, dear, you are our monarchist laughing
    3. +9
      22 March 2017 07: 49
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The candidate must: 80 times squeeze from the floor, make 100 torso lifts from a supine position, 15 times pull up on the bar (2 minutes for each exercise). Well, for runners, there is cross. Only 3,2 km. Run, I do not want. In 12 minutes. Otherwise they will not let me run anymore.
      I did not know that in 16 years I was passing the norm of the US special forces wassat

      Now I will not surrender; and at the age of 18-28 he could, and was not at the same time the "best-most" ...
      1. +5
        22 March 2017 08: 10
        80 push-ups from the floor and I had Oh, but cheated! In terms of push-ups, I did not touch the floor with my chest feel And pulled up, at most, 13 times .... recourse It turns out that I am a "hilyak" .... everything, now I am silent "rashly" ....
        1. +4
          22 March 2017 10: 53
          Et yes 8)))
          Against the background of everyone else in the branch, you are just some kind of nerd weak 8)))

          In general, according to the old, still normal Manual on FP, 12 times is “excellent” for all military personnel, 13 for cadets of the second and more senior courses.
          Now it’s easier, you can pull yourself up twice, but “leave” due to points in other disciplines.
          The same thing with crosses. Here, some in the school ran better than undergraduate students who have 12.10 on a “three-ruble note” - the time is “excellent” 12.20- “excellent” for ordinary students
          1. +1
            22 March 2017 13: 09
            Now it’s easier - you can pull yourself up twice, but “leave” due to points in other disciplines
            Will not work! In special .. units of 18 pull-ups at least. And if a deuce has at least one “standings”, then you won’t get above the triple. But in the special forces troisniki are not needed !.
            1. 0
              22 March 2017 19: 01
              Something I did not notice any “minimums” in the new NFP ...
          2. +6
            22 March 2017 13: 31
            Well, in crosses I have never been different, not mine. I ran and ran, but for what time, I don’t remember. And 13 times didn’t always pull up; it’s stable: 10-12 times. It was always easier to push off the floor than pull up ..... well, what to do: the “build” is not “skinny” for me! There was still an exercise on the uneven bars .... but I just won’t remember what the norm was. I remember that it was easier on the uneven bars than on the crossbar. Recently, I rushed to the gym to “remember the past”; but, apparently. I too zealously began to “remember” - “torn off” the old injury received during martial arts — now, almost like in a joke: “I don’t go on a hunt to repair a gun” ! I’ll heal, I’ll go again ... but when the "obligatory moment" comes ... how will I go there without the "biceps-triceps"? No.
            1. +3
              22 March 2017 19: 05
              In my first hundred, it was a problem, and shuttle 10 to 10 was a huge problem. But in the end, "caught the mechanics" of the turns.

              But I, in fact, not about that. And about the hunting stories of some that schoolchildren passed standards more stringent than the army standards NFP-87 8))))))))))))

              ... And the fish’s eyes were like that ...(C)
            2. +1
              23 March 2017 03: 14
              PS https://youtu.be/4GlqWWdVkFo
    4. +2
      22 March 2017 07: 49
      Airborne Forces
      - pull-ups on the crossbar: 13 times

      - 100 meter run: 14,1 seconds

      - 3 km run: 12,3 minutes

      - cross 5 km: 24 minutes

      - 5 km ski race: 28 minutes

      - ski march 10 km: 1 hour 15 minutes
      1. +5
        22 March 2017 11: 31
        my youth figures for comparison:
        pull-ups - 28 by strict rules, by an amount greater than 40.
        100 meters - 11 seconds
        3 km - 11.05 minutes
        5km - I didn’t run specifically for speed, but it was 16-18 minutes on the warm-up during the training.
        5km ski race. Classic 14 skate 12-13 minutes.
        ski march - it’s hard to say what is meant.
        Well, with these indicators, I didn’t even get into the reserve of the ski uni team in '93.
        1. 0
          22 March 2017 17: 33
          Now how?
          1. +3
            22 March 2017 18: 29
            Now I am 2 times heavier and practically do not trainlaughing
            but I pull myself up 7 times and run a marathon.
    5. +2
      22 March 2017 08: 38
      I agree with Romanov ...

      And the "runs" on the stomachs of soldiers, too.

      About 8 years old, I was engaged in sambo, my favorite press load.
    6. +7
      22 March 2017 10: 16
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The candidate must: 80 times squeeze from the floor, make 100 torso lifts from a supine position, 15 times pull up on the bar (2 minutes for each exercise). Well, for runners, there is cross. Only 3,2 km. Run, I do not want. In 12 minutes. Otherwise they will not let me run anymore.
      I did not know that in 16 years I was passing the norm of the US special forces wassat

      In VT, in our boxing section, there was an OFP. Less than 20 times no one pulled up. 30-40 times it was normal. Wringing out 100 times is like "good evening." Well, we ran so much that these STs would cry and ask their mother.
      Did not impress. I don’t know how things are now, but about 30-35 years ago, every 10th Soviet guy could pass these standards. Not to mention the earlier Soviet times.
      The average black takes conscript from about. Russian will not give way to these vaunted pros in terms of fizuhi, I generally am silent about Holulayites - ST are just children in comparison ...
      1. +12
        22 March 2017 11: 18
        you forgot something. These are the MINIMUM requirements. Do not think that if there are requirements for 80 push-ups, then all green berets can do just that. Many can do more. As the author said, it is better to respect the probable opponent.
        As far as I know, these physical requirements are an initial filter for really suckers.
        The most difficult thing is a 2-week endurance test. Many break down there.
      2. 0
        22 March 2017 11: 20
        Well, we ran so much

        some strange boxing you have. It’s as though it’s not customary to run a lot. Amateur boxing is fleeting and there is not much stamina needed.
        1. +4
          22 March 2017 11: 33
          Brother, you just wave your hands in full force for a minute, endurance for these 9 minutes with interruptions like air.
          1. +2
            22 March 2017 11: 37
            Yes, as if, too, was engaged in boxing and waved)))
            loved training for the maximum series of pear - so that it hung in the side without falling
      3. +1
        22 March 2017 13: 11
        100 times to squeeze out - it's like "good evening"
        One more minute! We practiced this.
      4. +1
        22 March 2017 15: 33
        As I understand it, only 2 minutes are given for each exercise. 80 times to squeeze out or 100 times to press the press is not surprising, but in 2 minutes ... That's just about the run of comments there is no, I personally walk 2,5 km to the house in 18 minutes, and running well is pretty slow-4m / sec
    7. +2
      22 March 2017 11: 13
      these are the norms for about 1 category in running sports - athletics, orienteering, cross-country skiing, etc. But the people who can do this are certainly not dead. You can run 3.2 km in 12 minutes, but you really have to run fast, not a jog.
      1. 0
        22 March 2017 15: 36
        I walk 2,5 km from the stop to the house in 18 minutes with no hurry (no hurry, but no walking) step, and running 3,2 km is not fast running, but a little faster than jogging 4 m / s
    8. +3
      22 March 2017 12: 11
      Good day Teska. in 2009, passing training at the Academy of Civil Defense of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia passed physo. I am 31 years old. Norms NFP-87 in force. Pulling up 14 times, Running - 3 km in berets and camouflage 11.42 ran through the forest, on the ground and gravel.
    9. +2
      22 March 2017 18: 21
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I did not know that in 16 years I was passing the norm of the US special forces

      Reading and understanding are two different things.
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The candidate must:

      Further on the list - push-ups, lifts, pull-ups, etc. The keyword is the candidate. Without this, you cannot become a candidate.
    10. +1
      24 March 2017 10: 51
      Similarly, now I’m a little over forty .... I push up 100 / at a time, pull myself up 22, press for 100, run 11,45 ..... I'm ready for the candidates laughing
    11. 0
      24 March 2017 16: 31
      You are right, the rules of the TRP http://gto-site.ru/normy-dlya-muzhchin/ it seems that the selection for the Green Berets is not much worse than our delivery of the TRP.
    12. 0
      24 March 2017 21: 30
      catch up 15 times alas, but I ran 3 km in 9 minutes, at school, I won’t say that it was easy but it was business, I don’t remember a second.
      1. 0
        25 March 2017 06: 05
        Quote: Suhow
        3 km ran for 9 mines, at school, I can’t say that it’s easy but it was business, I don’t remember a second.

        A little less than 9 minutes 3 km-standard for the CCM on officer all-around ... True in boots
  3. +2
    22 March 2017 07: 01
    Quote: Thirteenth
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    .And so far in Syria we have had no clashes
    .

    Far from a fact ... Even if they were, no one will talk about it.

    Well, the news went that they said that they covered the camp of US instructors, Saudis, and Israelis with a missile bombing, while they seemed to have taken prisoners in Aleppo. But all this seems like fake news, there is no confirmation! But it's a pity!
    1. +3
      22 March 2017 10: 24
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Well, the news went that they said that they covered the camp of US instructors, Saudis, and Israelis with a missile bombing, while they seemed to have taken prisoners in Aleppo. But all this seems like fake news, there is no confirmation! But it's a pity!

      This "topic" is not for the general public. Here, narrow specialists talk among themselves, agree and hint. When the mattresses hit the positions of the SAA and thereby ensured the offensive by the bearded, our adviser died there, as a result of which their base with instructors was shunned. We exchanged pleasantries, so to speak. After this, there were no raids on those positions where our instructors and advisers could be.
      1. +1
        22 March 2017 12: 46
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        We exchanged pleasantries, so to speak.

        Well, yes ... Things have been common since Soviet times. Specialists are not boys with machine guns ... They do not need extra corpses. Therefore, no one is surprised at the "incomprehensible" decisions of the enemy in any war ...
  4. +6
    22 March 2017 07: 06
    In fact, the green berets are not yet special forces. These are "intermediate" forces.

    And in the army as a whole, how are they with physical training? In the 80s it was much worse than ours. I would like a comparative article on the standards of FI for us and for them. Not weak, Author?
    1. avt
      +8
      22 March 2017 09: 29
      Quote: alex-cn
      In fact, the green berets are not yet special forces. These are "intermediate" forces.

      And what perineum do not enlighten? wassat Well, the fact that these are serious guys is a medical fact, in fact they were originally created for this. Well, with regards to the article ...... bully Well, not Grivadius Gorpozhaks for sure. bully Again, Ford Brag of course, but what would
      Well, a soldier is always a soldier with a tattoo on his shoulder.
      Actually, in similar structures, they try to select people without bright distinctive signs on the body in particular. This is for them, for us, it was also customary for us to get acquainted with candidates with an average appearance, other things being equal, while familiarizing themselves with internships at SAS. But you can and of course like that ..... like Stirlitz in a joke to walk in Budenovka and with a parachute dragging behind. Well, one thing nobody can do - spetsna-a-a-z wassat Yes . Finally about
      And here he is, the holy of holies of American special forces. Fort Bragg! Here you have to stay from 13 to 45 weeks. This is where you will pass the green beret qualification course. Here you have to become a specialist. And not a specialist "broad profile."
      Here vaaasche it is necessary to clarify what the author understands as narrow in profile. If you shit in accordance with the order of the command to a probable enemy, then yes, the profile is really wide. But they are specialists, if possible, from the existing material, they are preparing universal and really one of the disciplines is the organization of the partisan movement, which a sniper man, a miner man and even a spider man cannot really organize.
      And what our fighters in Syria are facing today are not dehkans and traders. These are people trained by graduates of Fort Bragg. Trained, trained and highly motivated enemies.
      So yes. The guys are serious and the experience of a stranger takes into account the same Sudoplatov.
    2. +8
      22 March 2017 10: 51
      Quote: alex-cn
      In fact, the green berets are not yet special forces. These are "intermediate" forces.

      In fact, the Green Berets is the most special forces ... as one acquaintance used to say, the US Green Berets are highly skilled partisans and saboteurs. They are prepared for action behind enemy lines.
      But the article strongly reminded me of the Rambo film ... especially the moment when this character decontaminated the wound with gunpowder, pushing it into the wound and igniting it, as well as sewing the wound with thread ...
      1. +2
        22 March 2017 10: 53
        And then where to include the "seals", USO and others like them?
        1. +7
          22 March 2017 11: 01
          Quote: alex-cn
          And then where to include the "seals", USO and others like them?

          They have a different profile slightly ... as well as ours, for example Alpha and combat swimmers ... but all this is called the general name of the special forces. And the profiles are different for everyone.
          I recommend everyone to read the Flenagan Robert novel - "Worms" ... very interesting
          1. +1
            22 March 2017 11: 09
            Well, where is America without advertising ... And I’ll read the novel, where without it. And I recommend you "Quiet Americans"
          2. +1
            22 March 2017 19: 00
            Quote: NEXUS
            I recommend everyone to read the Flenagan Robert novel - "Worms" ... very interesting

            Not the topic, of course, not a little bit - not about the special forces - but there is a good book Once Eagle - there the army was very reminiscent of ours.
        2. +5
          22 March 2017 11: 52
          Quote: alex-cn
          And then where to include the "seals", USO and others like them?

          The US armed forces are traditionally divided into five branches of the armed forces: marines, army, aviation, navy and coast guard - all of them have their own special forces, plus the FBI, the police, the CIA, the NSA.
          “FBI SWAT Teams” is a special unit within the FBI created to combat terrorism and especially dangerous criminals. The tasks of the FBI SWAT are to neutralize or destroy terrorists, free hostages, storm buildings, and prevent terrorist acts.
          "Hostage Rescue Team" - the FBI special anti-terrorist unit.
          “SWAT” (Special Weapon Attack Team) - special units of the US police.
          "SRT" (Special Reaction Team) - a military police unit in the Army, Marine Corps, Navy and United States Air Force, designed to respond to high-risk situations within a single military base or compound. Units are equivalent to FBI SWAT or SWAT units.
          In the US Armed Forces operates the US Special Operations Command, which includes the United States Special Operations Forces. A common mistake is the name of the MTR “US special forces”, which is not true, since only “Green Berets” are “special forces”.
          The US Army Green Beret Special Forces is a US Army special operations group. There are 5 groups in the regular army and 2 in the national guard. Each group includes 3 battalions and employs about 1500. Each group of the regular army has its own area of ​​responsibility: Europe, Asia-Pacific, Middle East, Africa, Latin America. The Green Berets specialize in combating partisans and sabotage operations. The only US special forces. Under the command of the USASFC (United States Army Special Forces Command), which is subordinate to USASOC ( United States Army Special Operations Command), in turn subordinate to USSOCOM.
          The 75th US Army Army Rangers Regiment is the oldest unit of the US Army MTR. At the moment, are reduced to the 75th Rangers Regiment. They specialize in conducting power ("raid" in American terminology) operations. They have the structure of a standard infantry regiment. Armed with all kinds of the most powerful weapons that can be carried manually. The personnel of the deep reconnaissance companies attached to each corps have weapons and training similar to the rangers, although they do not formally belong to the Special Operations Command. The regiment is subordinate to USASOC.
          The First Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta aka 1st SFOD-D is the US Army's operational detachment. Created in 1977. Moreover, at first it was supposed to create anti-terrorist groups in the USA on the basis of the Green Berets, but the high command of the US Armed Forces decided to create new forces. Based in Fort Bragg (North Carolina). The detachment consists of 3 battalions. It is completed with the best fighters of rangers and special forces. It is part of the JSOC - the Joint Command of Special Operations, one of the components of the US SOCOM, along with the Army, Naval, Air Force and ILC command. It is known that the Charlie platoon of the Delta detachment participated in the operation in Mogadishu (1993), in the operation Acid Gambit to free an American citizen. Combined instead of DEVGRU in JSOC (Joint Special Operations Command), called the Combat Applications Group (CAG).
          The 160th Special Operations Air Regiment is an army aviation division operating in the interests of US special forces and MTR. Equipped with helicopters. It can also act as an independent combat unit. Included in USSOCOM.
          “SEAL” - US Navy MTR, is often referred to in the media as “fur seals” or “seals”. It is part of NAVSOC, which in turn is subordinate to USSOCOM (like the command of the MTR of other arms), however, it is not directly subordinate to USSOCOM.
          Naval Special Warfare Development Group (NSWDG) or DEVGRU (DEVelopment GRoUp) is a former SEAL Team Six, formed by Richard Marchenko. Together with CAG, it is one of the two main counter-terrorism units of the US MTR, under the command of USSOCOM.
          US Marine Corps Recon (US Marine Force Recon) (FORECON) - U.S. Marine Intelligence Corps intelligence is considered the elite of the elite troop. The first Marine Corps intelligence units were formed during World War II and were called raiders. In 2001, during an anti-terrorist operation in Afghanistan, fighters of this special unit seized the airport of the city of Kandahar, thereby ensuring the safe landing of the main allied forces. The main task of intelligence of the ILC is to conduct covert intelligence operations at a considerable distance from the coast. ILC intelligence conducts its operations only in favor of the Corps - Force Recon is not directly subordinate to USSOCOM.
          United States Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command (MARSOC) - U.S. ILC intelligence units under the command of MARSOC (Marine Special Operations Command) (hence, under USSOCOM). Unlike FORECON, it is a division of the ILC directly subordinate to USSOCOM. The main tasks: counter-terrorism, non-traditional methods of warfare.
          1. +1
            22 March 2017 14: 56
            Quote: PSih2097
            US forces are traditionally divided into five branches of the armed forces: marines, army, aviation, navy, and coast guard

            I would like to note that the army, aviation and navy are the types of US forces and not only there ...
            In addition, in this scenario, we should not forget about the US National Guard, which, unlike our NG, is a combat-ready reserve of the Armed Forces and, if necessary, goes from state governors to the subordination to the Supreme Commander .....
            Units and units of NG can be used to participate in hostilities abroad, it was already in Iraq and Afghanistan ....
            Like that...
            1. +1
              22 March 2017 16: 59
              And on this topic. The coast guard is subordinate to the US Department of Homeland Security and is not part of the Armed Forces and, accordingly, is not a branch of the armed forces.
          2. +5
            22 March 2017 15: 34
            SWAT is not exactly a special unit. The fact of the matter is that SWAT groups are staffed with after-training regular police volunteers “on the job”. That is, the l / s of the group does not sit at the base waiting for a call, but "drags the strap" in the area or patrols the area. The Matchmakers, the assistant, still complained that the standard police car did not provide safe storage of all the weapons and equipment that they had to carry in case of a call.
            On the one hand, this allows you to save the budget by not containing separate highly specialized units that do not have constant service on the streets. On the other hand, this kind of multi-job placement leads to the fact that the skills acquired during the preparation process are lost, since most of the time the matchmaker drags the usual service.
            That is, SWAT is not our OMON or SOBR, but something like a domestic freelance special group of the police department. Only formalized. smile
      2. +1
        22 March 2017 13: 36
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: alex-cn
        In fact, the green berets are not yet special forces. These are "intermediate" forces.

        In fact, the Green Berets is the most special forces ... as one acquaintance used to say, the US Green Berets are highly skilled partisans and saboteurs. They are prepared for action behind enemy lines.
        But the article strongly reminded me of the Rambo film ... especially the moment when this character decontaminated the wound with gunpowder, pushing it into the wound and igniting it, as well as sewing the wound with thread ...

        And rightly so, there are buyers from more serious structures at graduation parties, and again, the candidates have a training course, only for a more serious period, with the assignment of an officer rank and a contract that is essentially unlimited.
        1. +1
          22 March 2017 16: 03
          Officer ranks are awarded after an officer school. In the USA, the institute of officers and sergeants exists in parallel, and does not overlap; some sergeant ranks are equal to general ones. After graduation, graduates get to where they are distributed according to test results. But what I like is that any fighter can take free two-week or monthly advanced training courses in almost any military specialty
      3. 0
        24 March 2017 10: 59
        Yes sir. "Special Forces" is a purely Russian name. They consider themselves the Special Operations Forces. Direction - Intelligence and sabotage operations, guerrilla warfare. They work in small groups behind enemy lines. And the fact that the article smacks of mothballs from American magazines in the style of a la Rambo is for sure !!!
  5. +10
    22 March 2017 07: 10
    Quote: Thirteenth
    Yes, the standards for selection in the ST are quite surmountable for the majority of the RA military personnel. Nevertheless, at the end of the course, half of the initial composition remains.

    Well, this does not threaten Romanov. He will not pass a psychological test.
    1. +6
      22 March 2017 07: 47
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Well, this does not threaten Romanov. He will not pass a psychological test.

      Who would say what he said, just not you. From your comment yesterday that an Israeli drone was shot down from Buk, your maximum level is a stibat, and it’s not a fact that they will take it.
      1. +6
        22 March 2017 09: 19
        Alexander, there is a rational kernel in the words of Mar. Thira.
      2. 0
        24 March 2017 21: 45
        He served in the construction battalion, the beech was not studied exactly, the charter periodically. The main weapon is a shovel, crowbar, jackhammer, well, a trowel ...
  6. +7
    22 March 2017 07: 17
    I have no doubt in the preparation of the US special forces. Already these will butt to the last.
    But I don’t understand why our special forces are abused. Allegedly, everything is getting worse, poorer, and ours is far from American MTRs. I don’t understand ... We just have a different organization of these forces. Until now, they have not been united by a single command, as in the United States. The sailors had their own special forces, the paratroopers - their own, the SV - their own, the Strategic Rocket Forces - their own. Each special forces solves its task. For example, the training of our fighters from units with the discreet name "naval reconnaissance point of the fleet" is no worse than that of the American SEAL. Only their SEAL is part of the MTR, and our MCIs are subordinate to the commander of the Navy.
    That is, we are talking only about organizational differences. The Americans believe that all types of special forces should be brought under the unified command of the MTR. And we still considered it unnecessary. But the units themselves were, and the training in them is very strong. Now ours also came to a similar organization in the USA.
    1. +5
      22 March 2017 07: 24
      angry And who scolds our special forces? It’s just that the very concept of special forces today is so vague that ... Special forces of the Ministry of Justice or Gazprom special forces (probably also exist) are also special forces ...
      But about the seals ... In preparation, if it is from the ST (there is such a specialization), they correspond to some naval units. but in general, the loud names hide the usual reconnaissance units of the marine corps. And the preparation is appropriate ... So you are right.
      1. +4
        22 March 2017 09: 06
        Who scolds our special forces? It’s just that the very concept of special forces today is so vague that ... Special forces of the Ministry of Justice or Gazprom special forces (probably also exist) are also special forces ...

        Well, at the beginning of the last article, our special forces, alpha, pennant, knight were listed and only then they switched to sso, initially they compared the anti-terror special forces and the army. Then about the fact that they created the MTR, but about the fact that before this, from Soviet times, there were separate companies under the armies, battalions and regiments at the districts, and separate special forces brigades are silent?
      2. 0
        22 March 2017 13: 19
        There is no special forces in the Ministry of Justice. You probably had special forces of the FSIN? And this is the Federal Service. Just like the FSB. By the way, their special forces remained, except for the Moscow Region, the Foreign Intelligence Service and the Russian Guard, only with the FSB and the FSIN.
        1. +6
          22 March 2017 13: 35
          There are Federal Services as ministries - the FSB, for example. There are part of the ministries - the FSIN. So Evil543 RIGHTS. In fact, detachments of special forces of the FSIN (formerly GUIN, SID ISR, etc.) special forces of the Ministry of Justice. And for "their special forces" - Add customs here.
          1. +1
            22 March 2017 15: 57
            Duc ... all by world standards. In the country of elves, their special forces, too, only the lazy did not create.
            Pomnitsa, in the 90s there was an epic picture: FBI special forces ensure the passage of sanitary service specialists to a nuclear facility through the system of a special detachment of the Ministry of Energy. Prior to this, even with all the papers, it was impossible to get to this object. And things were busy doing there ... the second Mayak plant - but only with democratic radiation and free leakage of radioactive substances into the air, to the ground and to ground / underground waters. smile
            1. +6
              22 March 2017 16: 08

              The FSB wanted to say?
              FBI Special Forces provides passage of sanitary service specialists to a nuclear facility through the formation of a special detachment of the Ministry of Energy.

              And for world standards .... Here, in my opinion, everything is complex - before there were three law enforcement agencies? In the 90s how much did it become? And each leader imagined himself a king, I wanted a "personal Praetorian guard." Naturally, no general training methodology. It was lucky for those detachments where fell guys with combat experience, from Alpha, Pennant, who left the Moscow Region from parts of the Special Operations Directorate of the GRU. Remember the results? military operations in the Czech Republic. Participants said that there is a lot of inconsistency. Since the mid-2000s, in my opinion, they began to create common training centers for the training of departments of various departments. One (former FSIN) is located in the Krasnaya Polyana region. There, detachments of the FSIN and the Ministry of Internal Affairs underwent mining training.
              1. +1
                22 March 2017 18: 09
                Quote: Okolotochny
                The FSB wanted to say?

                Exactly FBI.
                Business was in the steppes of Kherson region in the blessed West, in the citadel of democracy and ecology. And one factory worked in this democracy, in our terms - mining and chemical plant. Using the regime of secrecy and the Cold War, this plant put M120x200 on the environment and threw radioactive and simply poisonous products of its own vital activity into air, land and water (both due to non-compliance with disposal technologies and due to regular industrial accidents). But with the end of the Cold War, the local ecolougs and sanitary services managed to push the issue of environmental compliance at this plant to the federal level - and when the special detachment of the Ministry of Energy there tried to block the road again, the FBI special forces came out against them.
                In short, according to the results of inspections and subsequent vessels in the early 2000s, the plant was closed, demolished and reclaimed the space it occupied.
                1. +6
                  22 March 2017 18: 11
                  From the first comment I just did not understand which country it was about.
              2. +2
                22 March 2017 18: 26
                Quote: Okolotochny
                In the 90s how much did it become? And each leader imagined himself a king, I wanted a "personal Praetorian guard." Naturally, no general training methodology. It was lucky for those detachments where fell guys with combat experience, from Alpha, Pennant, who left the Moscow Region from parts of the Special Operations Directorate of the GRU. Remember the results?

                Hehehehe ... I remember those days well. I remember, for example, how almost live on the central television channels showed the clash of the special forces of the Presidential Security Council with the Special Operations Regiment and the special forces of FSK - exactly in the center of Moscow.
              3. +1
                23 March 2017 05: 17
                You are absolutely right! Joint exercises are being conducted, communication has been established (frequency ranges), etc.
                One (former FSIN) is located in the Krasnaya Polyana region. There, detachments of the FSIN and the Ministry of Internal Affairs underwent mining training.
                He is not a former, but a real one. And there, not only the FSIN and the Ministry of Internal Affairs undergo training. The FSIN also has a training center in Novosibirsk. But they have a slightly different specialization, unlike Krasnaya Polyana. Recently I talked with instructors from the Novosibirsk UTs, so I’m a little up to date.
                1. +6
                  23 March 2017 10: 47
                  It’s just that during his service he was “a little in the subject” from the moment of the organization of the CA in Krasnaya Polyana. It all started with tents. The truth has never been there. I know about the first head of the UTs (I personally am not familiar with the truth), the former commander of the Shark special forces of the Krasnodar Federal Penitentiary Service.
    2. +9
      22 March 2017 07: 54
      By the way, in the USA, military circles respect the MTR of the Russian Federation very much. Majumar articles are nonsense for people who do not understand one hundred such service and army. I have never heard from the US military that the RF Armed Forces is bullshit and that special forces are worse, just in terms of turnover, respect and sometimes even envy.
    3. +9
      22 March 2017 07: 59
      Alex_59 But do you need to learn from the US experience? In the USSR, special forces showed high combat effectiveness, each special forces has its own focus and specifics. Now the level of training has fallen, because the level of the draft contingent has also fallen! in Soviet times, and selection was better! in elite units like Alpha, the majority of officers selected at least candidates for master of sports!
      1. +5
        22 March 2017 08: 11
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        Do you need to learn from the US experience?

        So I ask this question. On the one hand, centralized management is good. On the other hand, this is not a panacea; the same maritime special forces are so specific that the need for their transfer to the MTR on an ongoing basis raises doubts. Sailors will always have their special forces treated, and trained specifically for the tasks that sailors need. But in the MTR, will it not turn into an analogue of reinforced marines? And what about the navigators in the coastal strip then? Maybe then they just have freelance swimmers?
        Croce some questions. And the fact that the organization adopted in the USA is better than ours is not a fact.
        1. +3
          22 March 2017 09: 38
          Alex_59 and the training of a special forces soldier in one year of service in general is utopia with the current conscripts! hi
          1. 0
            22 March 2017 10: 45
            It is possible and necessary to study and adopt the experience of a probable adversary ... Just do not stupidly copy it, but look at what we learn is not a sin.
          2. 0
            22 March 2017 16: 08
            but for this year you can look at a person and invite him to work under a contract. half of the pennant is probably from the soldiers of my regiment.
            1. +1
              22 March 2017 16: 15
              gringo agrees to take a closer look, all parts of the special forces must be transferred to the contract!
      2. +3
        22 March 2017 11: 15
        Quote: Uncle Murzik
        Alex_59 But do you need to learn from the US experience? In the USSR, special forces showed high combat effectiveness, each special forces has its own focus and specifics. Now the level of training has fallen, because the level of the draft contingent has also fallen! in Soviet times, and selection was better! in elite units like Alpha, the majority of officers selected at least candidates for master of sports!

        The enemy, too, always has something to learn. So it’s not superfluous to adopt some experience, all the more it gives an understanding of their work. Another issue is the mentality of the people. Almost throughout his life, a Russian has been struggling with some kind of problems, overcoming crises and is not spoiled in terms of comfort. An American under any stress goes to a psychologist. A Russian is more focused on the result before self-sacrifice, an American on paying for the result with insurance payment in mind ... One Italian acquaintance, Vulmaro, said back in the 90s - "If you get into trouble with an Englishman, an American or a Frenchman, then you’ll perish, and if with a Russian, then you will survive. "
        1. +9
          22 March 2017 13: 41
          In confirmation of what you said - yesterday on YouTube I watched the film "His Battalion" - For "Sparta" and Motorola. After watching, I have a SHOCK - not 20 and 30 year old guys (although there were some). Men of 40 - 50 years old are at war, studying. All interleaved. Moreover, the exercises are "far from childish". And they fight without pathos, like that evil, ordinary.
    4. 0
      24 March 2017 21: 48
      Well, I don’t know, but I think that under the Union such a structure was not just made ...
    5. GIN
      0
      13 November 2017 07: 47
      Yeah, only intelligence agents in 20 departments in AI do not remember exactly
  7. +7
    22 March 2017 07: 18
    Of course, it is impossible to underestimate the enemy, but one should also not show admiration for the kind of troops advertised for many years. Recent scandals related to the "green berets" (bullying, rape, murder) speak about the rather low moral and psychological qualities of these wars. Their only merit is participation in all armed conflicts unleashed by the United States.
    1. +1
      22 March 2017 07: 27
      Or maybe all of these scandals are needed to carry out once voiced by Ostap Bender "Give me money. Give me money!".
      And low motivation was laid down initially by the state system itself. You don’t need a good salary and a secured old age if you are killed. Therefore, the berets are not particularly eager for battle ... Life is beautiful. Especially with a big bank account.
      1. +3
        22 March 2017 07: 30
        Life is Beautiful. Especially with a big bank account.

        I agree with you. And to this also the image created by decades of Hollywood.
    2. +6
      22 March 2017 07: 51
      it was not they who wept bitterly in captivity
      1. +1
        22 March 2017 09: 46
        If you mean the last hand-raising in Iranian waters, so there (if I'm not mistaken) was the elite of the US Navy - fur seals.
        1. +6
          22 March 2017 09: 48
          that is, even funnier, the expression "the cat cried" finally took shape
        2. 0
          25 March 2017 08: 27
          Quote: rotmistr60
          US Navy Elite - Fur Seals.

          Not much differs from berets, the essence of the program is the same
  8. +3
    22 March 2017 07: 30
    Thanks to the author for the article, as they were being prepared, he was forced to know by the nature of the service. I must say that some people confuse patriotism and love for their country, with bragging and hatred. It is worth remembering the lessons of 1941 and not forgetting the storming of Grozny by the Maykop brigade.
  9. +4
    22 March 2017 07: 32
    Even Schwartz back in 1985 said that your garbage "green berets"
  10. +5
    22 March 2017 07: 43
    http://pentagonus.ru/_ld/0/56_SH_21-76.pdf

    Here's a ranger tutorial, Fort Benning, GA. Here, in Russian, a training course is outlined, if anyone is interested. The book is generally interesting. And as for the standards, it is one thing to pass these standards in 16-20 years, and quite another in 35-45 years, when the extra 20 kg has grown to the carcass like mine. Need to start chtoli running?
    1. 0
      22 March 2017 07: 45
      Quote: Altona
      . And as for the standards, it is one thing to pass these standards in 16-20 years, and quite another in 35-45 years, when the extra 20 kg has grown to the carcass like mine.

      Björndalen to help you
      1. 0
        22 March 2017 08: 13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Björndalen to help you

        Have you quit smoking?
        1. 0
          22 March 2017 08: 14
          Quote: Alex_59
          Have you quit smoking?

          No
          1. 0
            22 March 2017 08: 30
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            No

            sadness ...
            1. +1
              22 March 2017 08: 35
              Quote: Alex_59
              sadness ...

              The easiest thing is to quit smoking, it’s hard then not to start again laughing
              1. 0
                22 March 2017 08: 39
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                The easiest thing is to quit smoking, it’s hard then not to start again

                That's right. Himself went to the third round. Six months already. I'm afraid of the summer - I can break. I hope not to fall off.
                By the way, refusal to smoke actually steers - I began to drive on a bike much easier and faster than when I smoked.
                1. +2
                  22 March 2017 11: 57
                  I don’t see a problem in quitting smoking. Many, when they got it, threw it right away and did not return. I think the main problem of quitting smoking is lack of motivation.
    2. 0
      22 March 2017 16: 43
      Are you by any chance not talking about the very 19th century?
  11. +5
    22 March 2017 07: 45
    Alas, both the presentation of the material chosen by the author - the topic !, - and the form - the tone! - the statements do not differ much from the “idiots” he exposes ...
    -------------------------------
    Respect for the military "profession"? Most of those present on the site (I hope ...) have it. To a specific military specialization? Well, a cook in the army is not a specialty of the last necessity ..., and, most importantly, one in the field (in the forest and in the desert, not to mention the sea ...) is not a warrior; as you know - God is on the side of large battalions ...
    In addition - yeah, the American training of such a "piece of goods" as special forces, of course - wow! ... and hoo ... But even "them" have better and better - "more piece by piece", huh? - trained "specialists ...
    ... Well, here it is with us ... Again - OUR people, besides the "sergeants, officers and eggheads", also prepare life, often not very different from the lives of the Berbers in the Sahara or the Papuans in the jungle ... or the Mexican "torchachos" "in Mexico City ...
    1. +4
      22 March 2017 08: 19
      Quote: CONTROL
      In addition - yeah, the American training of such a "piece of goods" as special forces, of course - wow! ... and hoo ...

      I read an article somewhere about comparing the selection in the CPC of China and the US CPC and in all respects it turned out that the PRC is covering us all, both the USA and the Russian Federation. It’s just that out of the 1,5 billions of the population, the sample “the best” by equal standards among the Chinese will give say 100 thousand people, and in the USA only 10 thousand. But suppose the Chinese special forces in 100 thousands of people do not need. What then? And then they can calmly raise the cut-off bar and collect from 100 thousands of “best by equal standards” even more “best” by standards much more stringent than in the United States. And such will be permissible 20 thousand people.
      As a result, each Chinese commando will initially be a stronger fighter than every American commando, and the total number of forces of the Chinese Special Forces will be greater than the total number of US strategic forces. Fierce WIN!
  12. +2
    22 March 2017 07: 53
    Quote: Altona
    http://pentagonus.ru/_ld/0/56_SH_21-76.pdf
    Here's a ranger tutorial, Fort Benning, GA. Here, in Russian, a training course is outlined, if anyone is interested. The book is generally interesting. And as for the standards, it is one thing to pass these standards in 16-20 years, and quite another in 35-45 years, when the extra 20 kg has grown to the carcass like mine. Need to start chtoli running?

    At 45, I am a prisoner, I must protect the warehouses. Drove and other auxiliary functions is in the case of a full-scale war.
    At this age, I no longer see the point of pushing up 80 times, 20-25 and good.
    1. +3
      22 March 2017 08: 10
      lol I accidentally looked at the terms of being in active service in the Armed Forces and the terms of being in the reserve ... In 45 you still have to ride and ride through the mountains drinks They will be allowed to warehouses only in 50 bully
    2. +1
      22 March 2017 11: 59
      and what is the problem of push-ups 40-50 times 45?
      just at least sometimes try and it will turn out.
  13. 0
    22 March 2017 08: 08
    Even the "I want to know everything" does not pull - for children, not a serious site!
    It’s better to read Robin Moore's Green Berets or Don Miller's Commandos.
    1. +4
      22 March 2017 08: 16
      For the fact-finding article, more than enough.
  14. +3
    22 March 2017 08: 21
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Who would say what he said, just not you.

    Well, actually I didn’t say categorically what exactly it was from Buk. It’s just an assumption, like everyone here, because we are not there. As for my service, you can also serve in the construction battalion. Because it is also one of the most important components of the country's defense .Not one hundred people still save lives. But I didn’t serve there. And I know the KBU perfectly. I still walk 30 km during daylight hours, on the way in the taiga it’s not bad, with a backpack and weapons. that in the summer, that in the winter on skis. What you brother, is unlikely to succeed. I don’t speak about shooting, but I’m not shooting badly ..
    1. +1
      22 March 2017 11: 32
      Wow! Why do you have such a "peep"? Is it possible from other angles? I don’t joke, really interesting. Especially as a "dog" fixed. Without a bar?
      1. +2
        22 March 2017 12: 56
        Quote: otto meer
        Wow! Why do you have such a "peep"? Is it possible from other angles?

        Tuned SCS with ati or tapco stock. On the bed is most likely a dovetail mount for the sight.
  15. +1
    22 March 2017 08: 39
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Björndalen to help you

    -----------------------------
    Now he does not shine by the way, even experience does not help. And he has much more time for himself, even his business is tied to his training. Here he has to load his head with other things, kill him 10 hours of time for a completely different job and let him give the results. In general, for those unaware of medicine, a young person under 30 years old has metabolic processes in the body twice as fast as an adult, therefore a young person will receive any result twice as fast. It doesn’t matter if it is a language training or a 10 km run. Therefore, there are no "elixirs of life", magic pills and other things but to spur metabolic processes. Moreover, "stem cells" is just a faint resemblance, a local attempt.
  16. cap
    +5
    22 March 2017 08: 44
    ".... we beat them, we beat them and we will beat them. And because we are not weaker. And because we are fighting for our country, and not for money. You won’t change the soldier’s inside ..."


    Good point to conclude.
    Short. When competing with the Americans could only be guided by the magazine "Military Review". It published standards for the physical training of enemy armies, including the green berets of the US Army. Our generation was guided by open data, for ordinary and officers.
    I report. The whole company passed the standard at the end of the school for the maximum score of fur seals in physical and physical terms. I really found in WWII more participants in the Second World War. I can not say anything about today. To my great regret.
    Looking at how a son-in-law (VKS officer) visits the gym with a height of 189 and a bicep for 40, he will put a cat down with one blow. I am sure of that. So let them practice.
    With great respect to our MTR forces. hi And you do not get sick.
    1. avt
      +3
      22 March 2017 10: 20
      Quote: cap
      When competing with the Americans could only be guided by the magazine "Military Review". It published standards for the physical training of enemy armies, including the green berets of the US Army.

      Nashlnik, mana, ,, V.O. "
      Quote: cap
      Including the green berets of the US Army.

      Published ??? ,, Something with my memory has become " bully They published US standards in the army, disaggregated by years of life, this is a fact. It was like that, well, a plate with the norms of the US ovskiy BGTO / GTO.
      Quote: cap
      I report. ALL company passed the standard at the end of the school for the maximum score of fur seals in physo.

      I believe. Nothing there is such a super impossible impossible. Here the trick is a little different - in an integrated training system, including the selection of candidates of appropriate physical condition. We still have nothing supernova and super unknown since the time of Beria and the OMSBON.
      Quote: cap
      Looking at how a son-in-law (VKS officer) visits the gym with a height of 189 and a bicep for 40, he will put a cat down with one blow. I am sure of that. So let them practice.

      A parable from real Soviet instructors that I accidentally heard - ,, There is a village fight. Two-meter Vaska with pood fist with drina in his hands sweeps the neighboring village, and Petka weights the pebbles from the slingshot with a stone in the eye. Question -Well, who is the commando? Special Forces primarily brain sons. " bully
      Quote: cap
      So let them practice.

      good It will be healthier, it is a fact.
      1. +4
        22 March 2017 10: 49
        Quote: avt
        A parable from real Soviet instructors

        If I’m not mistaken, then in my opinion from Badyuk:
        in order for the commandos to engage in hand-to-hand combat, he needs to lose a machine gun, a pistol, a sapper shovel, find a belt, find a clean, level ground, and yet another fool like him.
        1. avt
          +2
          22 March 2017 10: 57
          Quote: WUA 518
          If I’m not mistaken, then in my opinion from Badyuk:

          You are mistaken, this was before Baduk. But it’s probably for himself, and he broadcast
  17. +3
    22 March 2017 08: 45
    When I was engaged in youth in a parachute club, for any abusive word punishment: 100 push-ups, 5 km run. (easy walk). (preparing us for service in the Airborne Forces) paratrooper instructors. Now, quit smoking (as early as 2 years), drink left to quit recourse He began to do exercises in the morning. (hard) smile
  18. 0
    22 March 2017 09: 00
    [quoteJust, as many commenting on the above article have clearly noted, we beat them, we beat them and we will beat them. And because we are not weaker. And because we are fighting for the homeland, and not for money. You won’t change the soldier’s inside ...] [/ quote]
    Do not subtract, do not add, everything is said in the last paragraph.
    1. +3
      22 March 2017 10: 05
      It remains to find out when we beat them.
      1. +3
        22 March 2017 12: 06
        during the Cold War, Russians were respected. This is achieved only by regular scuffle.
        1. 0
          22 March 2017 14: 52
          So I think, and when we are so distinguished that they respect us. IMHO not for special forces but for 5000 warheads
          1. 0
            22 March 2017 15: 17
            scuffle was everywhere - in crops, in builders, in technology, in space, in the sky from Korea to the Middle East, and on the battlefield, at the Olympics or in hockey with Canadians. Every sane citizen of the USSR, when a situation arose when he realized that he should fill his face, considered it his duty to his homeland and did it, often at the risk of losing something. And this applies not only to men - as biathletes or figure skaters "tear", legends still go. Now what? Many behave like cockroaches - just not to substitute.
          2. +6
            22 March 2017 18: 17
            Operation "Storm 333" to help you. Not? For this is not respected?
  19. +2
    22 March 2017 09: 14
    Author, consider that you scared us. The question is - why do you think that the preparation of our MTR is weaker? Or a comparison was made with the construction battalion of the Great Soviet Army? :)))
    PS About the sergeant of green berets with a cigarette in his mouth and the "frightening fauna" during the performance of a combat mission - moved! :)))
    1. +2
      22 March 2017 12: 57
      And where did you read that the author considers the Russian MTRs weaker? Just wondering. Maybe I didn’t read the full article, but laziness is repeated ...
      1. 0
        22 March 2017 14: 53
        Having read at the beginning of the article "I read the comments on a recent article on the American view of Our Special Operations Forces (MTR). As usual, in comments to articles of this kind, readers "slide" to a comparison of "their" and "us." And from the excess of "patriotic fervor" they conclude that the supernatural and "pooh on them" of theirs. Attempts of specialists to clarify within the framework of what is permitted who is who stumble upon the comments "goofy". "- I had the opinion that, in general, the author wanted to dispel the opinions of the" idiots "about the preparation of the MTR of Russia. Or did I take a very deep look? :)))
  20. 0
    22 March 2017 09: 59
    An article about how Serdyukov introduced physical training into the army and about US standards http://svpressa.ru/society/article/38205/
  21. +1
    22 March 2017 11: 15
    Tell the Vietnamese guys from Dak Kong that the green berets are the elite of the elites. Guys will laugh
  22. 0
    22 March 2017 11: 34
    Quote: otto meer
    Wow! Why do you have such a "peep"? Is it possible from other angles? I don’t joke, really interesting. Especially as a "dog" fixed. Without a bar?

    Only in PM!
  23. +2
    22 March 2017 11: 41
    Well, if you have to meet with units of the Pendosov special forces, the main thing is that the F-1 worked on time.
  24. +2
    22 March 2017 12: 31
    The author is right. Underestimating the adversary, as well as revaluing it, is a direct path to unreasonable losses. The enemy just needs to know well and beat well.
  25. +7
    22 March 2017 12: 32
    The message is true, but absolutely useless.
    For a couple of years, the site has degraded in the haven of "cheers-patriots" who talk about everything from indirect actions on Liddell Gart to the specifics of the use of DRG in conditions of positional warfare, having a vocational school and two years in the armies behind.
    1. +1
      22 March 2017 13: 00
      But why. Over the years, fairly stable interest groups have formed. And the popularity of the site just has one of the 2 insiders "in the form of the appearance of a large number of" flies "that" plowed with the ox "...
    2. 0
      22 March 2017 19: 09
      90 minutes per 10 km, it’s a walk to go.
  26. 0
    22 March 2017 12: 40
    Well, I wrote something else in the Comments ...

    On the Green Berets ... Much needs to be written to be understood, but I will write briefly ...

    it’s not so simple, the Green Berets is only one of the units of the MTR, their Land Component ... In the MTR, the Green Berets are the most numerous component, their number is more than 13 thousand people, probably the largest special forces in the world in general. Units are consolidated into 7 groups. The group consists of 4 battalions, headquarters, and a service group.

    Their tasks, in fact, are no different from any army special forces: reconnaissance, sabotage (including at nuclear weapons facilities), search and rescue operations.

    But the Green Berets have their own specifics that distinguish them from other special forces units: the training of foreign military personnel of friendly regimes, military advisers of the unit are present in more than 70 states. Because of this specificity, as part of the units, special attention is paid to the preparation in knowledge of the languages ​​and culture of those states in which they may have to act. Also, unit groups are focused on organizing rebel armed movements. Therefore, the Green Berets are often attracted by the CIA to their special operations around the world.

    In the event of an armed conflict between the United States and a strong and powerful state, the Green Berets will play a major role in the capture or destruction of command headquarters, ministries and departments and other important strategic facilities, including nuclear ...

    The Green Berets are the most powerful and powerful special forces in the US Armed Forces, and perhaps all over the world. Therefore, they are a very dangerous opponent for any potential adversary, including Russia and China. Their combat experience is simply colossal, and this should be taken into account.

    The Green Berets are the most powerful, but not the most Elite unit in the US MTR ... The elite there are primarily Delta and the former 6th detachment of Seals from the Navy, which was later called NSWDG or DEVGRU ... These are already Professionals with a Capital Letter! You won’t find fighters under the age of 40 there, and they don’t look like fighters, it’s done for cover so that military personnel are not recognized in them, they are overgrown, not shaved ... but their specifics are very complicated Autonomous OPERATIONAL work ... they rarely get involved in battle, and even at the final stage ... They know the languages ​​perfectly, they are difficult to distinguish from tourists ... They are dispersed across countries of potential opponents as tourists and under the guise of fake documents .. .
    1. 0
      23 March 2017 09: 32
      Quote: Holoy
      The elite there is primarily Delta and the former 6th detachment of Seals from the Navy, which was later called NSWDG or DEVGRU ... Now these are Professionals with a Capital Letter! You won’t find fighters under the age of 40 there, and they don’t look like fighters, it’s done for cover so that military personnel are not recognized in them, they are overgrown, not shaved ... but their specifics are very complicated Autonomous OPERATIONAL work ... they rarely get involved in battle, and even at the final stage ... They know the languages ​​perfectly, they are difficult to distinguish from tourists ... They are dispersed across countries of potential opponents as tourists and under the guise of fake documents .. .



      You would give examples of battery life -Operating in Grenada in Panama, or there Operation Anaconda or Black Hawk.
      1. 0
        23 March 2017 12: 22
        Gee ... I do not know the details of those operations, and who participated there. The group that we call Delta is totally classified ... and all these artistic images have nothing to do with it!

        Delta is never used in direct and head-on clashes ...

        In the early 80s, the USA leaked information on the Eagle Claw operation in a metered manner — Delta was not present in helicopters at all, its investigators had been in Tehran for a long time and were preparing to launch Assault Groups of the 75th Rangers Regiment ... Delta operatives during another operation Canadian trick managed to save 6 hostages in the same Tehran ...
        Sometimes for some reason our Fighters of the 75th Rangers regiment are mistaken for the Delta ... It is the Rangers in the US MTR that are focused on direct and head Assault actions ...
        1. 0
          23 March 2017 18: 39
          Quote: Holoy
          s ... I do not know the details of those operations, and who participated there. The group that we call Delta is totally classified ... and all these artistic images have nothing to do with it!

          Delta is never used in direct and head-on clashes ...



          Where does this knowledge about a totally classified group come from? :)
          1. 0
            23 March 2017 19: 33
            From the USA from the media ... The Pentagon generally stated repeatedly that they have no Delta! And it is true. Delta is the call sign of the creator of the unit when he fought in Vietnam as part of the Green Berets... There’s just a detachment without a name ... Our people know about him and call him Delta. In general, given the specifics, this is normal and it is not difficult to calculate. Who will shine their saboteurs of intelligence? Especially working undercover documents and mowing under tourists ...
            1. 0
              25 March 2017 09: 38
              Quote: Holoy
              From the USA from the media ... The Pentagon has repeatedly stated that they have no Delta! And it is true. Delta is the call sign of the creator of the detachment when he fought in Vietnam as part of the Green Berets ... There is simply a detachment without a name ... Our people know about him and call him Delta. In general, given the specifics, this is a normal phenomenon and it is not difficult to calculate it. Who will shine their saboteurs of intelligence? Especially working undercover documents and mowing under tourists ...


              Take a look at the Pentagon on the site of the Black Hawk "US Army Rangers and Delta Force personnel were ambushed in Mogadishu in October 1993. The bloody firefight left 18 dead and 84 wounded. "

              :) In short, as I understand it, your arguments are not trustworthy :)
              1. 0
                25 March 2017 11: 18
                Gee ... and what? Are you in Google or something to translate the text- "US Army Rangers and Delta Force employees were ambushed in Mogadishu in October 1993. Bloody shootings left 18 dead and 84 wounded.

                This is not about the Delta fighters but about the Employees! They even did not carry them to the military ... unlike the Rangers ... This is called- during a dosed information leak to mislead a potential adversary and his special services ...

                During the special operation in Vietnam, the creator and first commander of the unit, Charles Beckwith, used the code designation for his Delta group as part of the Green Berets. Apparently, therefore, the created detachment began to be called Delta. But the United States has repeatedly denied this fact of the name and not the existence of the detachment ...

                Please note, even in this information we are not talking about fighters, but about Employees ... There is also truth in the metered information ... well, misinformation too ... Thank you for throwing this to me (I became lazy), I’m on this detail about Employees immediately noticed. If you take into account that the group is totally classified, then my guesses become true - it was some very important operation where the fighters of the 75th Rangers regiment either evacuated or abandoned the operatives from the Delta ...Employee is a keyword...
                1. 0
                  27 March 2017 19: 46
                  aha you still in google translate the word officer /

                  so note from the English Russian dictionary of military terms - personnel - personnel, manpower :)
                2. GIN
                  0
                  13 November 2017 07: 33
                  Delta is the pilots
        2. +7
          24 March 2017 20: 58
          About 75 years ago, the 500th regiment was imprisoned for operations with companies and separate groups with the task of reconnaissance at a distance of 2000 km. Like our army companies. Berets - up to 80, such as our brigades. From personal experience - in comparison with us, the rangers of the sample of the XNUMXs - a fair amount of sucks. And physically, and so on. We competed with them somehow. Even each shot according to their own standards, anyway, they were in .ope. I don’t think that something has changed very much. A friend later went to them, in this Fort Bragg, competed with the "berets" - nothing special at all. The assessment is the same. But this is special forces against special forces, and in life this should not be so. We can only be compared based on the results of the troops in whose interests intelligence works.
  27. 0
    22 March 2017 13: 56
    level training. but the author is disingenuous. The same officers, hungry and without fresh panties, will send the entire command to HJ. I am silent about the rank-and-file composition. It’s generally not ethical to compare them (only loot in mind) and I know for myself if anyone can be for us an example is the Jews they have not just physical training they have an idea. They definitely need to be afraid but not to piss!
    1. 0
      22 March 2017 15: 25
      it would be one-sided to judge their ideals only by the dough. The fact is that the loot gives them a NORMAL life. What about us? Today there is loot, tomorrow inflation, default or stronger will run over and there is no dough. They are there for money because they are imprisoned because what they earn actually guarantees a new life.
      There now advertising goes about retirement at 35 years old. Invest and be a wealthy person.
      And how is it with us? Pension - bred, investments - bred.
  28. 0
    22 March 2017 15: 01
    Quote: WUA 518
    Quote: otto meer
    Wow! Why do you have such a "peep"? Is it possible from other angles?

    Tuned SCS with ati or tapco stock. On the bed is most likely a dovetail mount for the sight.

    That's right. It's the most. Reliable Soviet fail-safe weapon.
    1. 0
      22 March 2017 16: 42
      Sorry, but I did not understand where you have the bed with the mount ...
      1. 0
        22 March 2017 17: 34
        Quote: - = ANTRAX = -
        where is the bed with your mount ...

  29. 0
    22 March 2017 15: 05
    Quote: avt
    It will be healthier, it is a fact.

    Well, I agree more with Batiuk. If you are left with one knife, without a weapon, then you are already a corpse. And he is a master of knife fighting, who remembers?
    1. avt
      0
      22 March 2017 16: 21
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      If you are left with one knife, without a weapon, then you are already a corpse

      laughing fool You watch less and play shooters, well, don’t get rid of the badges, “Tim is in a hurry”, as well as on-screen on-screen commandos. Real people are quite quiet and do not stand out from the crowd, but they are trained to cut the line of life in pieces and in very exotic ways. And if they’ve eaten and start shooting, it’s just to indicate that they’re terrifying to catch the opponent in pants, or when they are thrown high in order to get the momentary result they need, they are thrown together in the furnace, like during an assault on Amin’s palace, in the manner of assault units type WISBr.
  30. +4
    22 March 2017 15: 06
    Tighten 15 times on the crossbar (2 min for each exercise). Well, for runners, there is cross. Only 3,2 km. I don’t want to run. In 12 minutes. Otherwise they will not let me run anymore. Laughing out loud. At the very beginning of the 80s, when I finished school, I read the book "Green the Untouchable", where the preparation of the "green beret" was described in an artistic format. Then it impressed me. Now probably not. There wasn’t much to boast of, but at the age of 25 he was pulled up on the bar 12 times with two kettlebells (16 kg each) on his feet, while he served on the ship, and not in special forces. I agree only that it is not necessary to underestimate the enemy and remember the words of Admiral S.O. Makarov "Remember the war." I would like to add a question to all that has been said, if they are so “cool”, why do not they want to take part in our “War Games” or do not invite them to their own? Afraid of repeating the results of hockey matches “USSR-Canada” ?!
  31. +1
    22 March 2017 15: 44
    along the way, who writes all this has never served and does not even imagine what physical education is. The initial standards, which are written at the very top, in our school in physical education require 5 points. Well, at least in my years. I served in MCHP .. in Anapa training, every other day we ran 3 or 6 km in the morning just to warm up .. And in 90 minutes 10 km is generally))) it is necessary to walk on foot into the junction., But with a quick step ... Even with a load of 20 kg, for at least a slightly trained man - this is not a problem at all ...
    I don’t deny that there are those who know how to fight, but I don’t think that they are very different from us and our military. And based on the fact that our people are more creative, they are no match for us. The Germans, too, at one time were both trained and armed better and ate even better, but nothing came of it ... And these are even worse than the Germans. These modern Western intelligence services only with unarmed civilians can
  32. 0
    22 March 2017 16: 36
    Previously, Legion Entarnce was advertised in all kinds of newspapers. but in reality it turned out that there was nothing of the kind there. Of course they ran, but they pay there not for running, but for specialty. and of course, the unprecedented feat of the greens is that they simply exist. and no one else can be taught such a run, except for the Georgians.
    1. GIN
      +1
      13 November 2017 07: 28
      Yeah, the Georgians are famous for their standard of who will bring less to the finish line and the more time the better
  33. +3
    22 March 2017 17: 26
    What are cool FSE, already takes horror. I won’t write about myself. But I’ll say about the education of my son. I come home from work (10 hour working day, engineers), I start checking my lessons. Mathematics, all decisions are not correct (it was 32 years ago), I wanted to take a belt and spank, but he is only 8 years old, asshole with a fist, what is there to spank ?. And then the idea came, through push-ups. We started the solution, the answer is wrong, I lie down silently and push up (to remove irritation), and then the solution comes, I tell him I push myself because I couldn’t explain to you, and you push up 5 times for what you do not want to understand correctly. On the fourth approach, he has tears, but I don’t give up (we push out together, every time. After a week they increased the number of approaches to 10 times and so on. My son went to the army, in the first year of the Skryabin Academy, veterinary science. First morning rise and Federal Law , and the FIRST QUESTION OF THE OFFICER, WHAT THE Fighter did? Answer: MATHEMATICS ???? The second question of the officer: the soldier did not understand ???? Answer Mathematics, for each incorrect answer 10 push-ups.
    1. +6
      23 March 2017 10: 57
      Yes, they taught in the service - Doesn’t reach through the head, so do it through the legs. Tough but effective.
      1. 0
        25 March 2017 21: 27
        Right! The charter is especially good at studying. The sergeant drove us in training with a complex of his own invention - 3 static poses. Pose yoga - emphasis lying on the elbows, the chin rests on the fists. 5-7 minutes Greyhound ram pose - half squat with arms extended forward (5-7 min.). The pose of a blackened stork is like a swallow on one leg. And we repeat the charter in chorus. Horrible creepy! When we also punished the young then, they asked them to fill their faces better, but not the complex. )))
  34. +2
    22 March 2017 19: 04
    War is not someone who crosses or shoots anyone, but who changes his mind !!! Brains are the main weapon!
  35. 0
    22 March 2017 19: 05
    Even standards are "sad." Selection in private security seems stronger)))
  36. 0
    22 March 2017 19: 36
    Quote: tochila
    War is not someone who crosses or shoots anyone, but who changes his mind !!! Brains are the main weapon!

    .... Nope ... Talk to any Marine Ensign ...
    .... Yes ... but I would try ... There is still gunpowder in the flasks and the berries .......
    1. 0
      22 March 2017 19: 49
      ... For too smart, the roof blows down on the 3rd day of the search .... Bloody scuffs .... dislocated joints .... looks at you as God ..... "Sorry, brother ...." Last service
      1. 0
        23 March 2017 14: 09
        Quote: KOLAaps
        ... For too smart, the roof blows down on the 3rd day of the search .... Bloody scuffs .... dislocated joints .... looks at you as God ..... "Sorry, brother ...." Last service

        Are you talking about too arrogant.
        Too clever even preconditions for this can not arise.
  37. +1
    22 March 2017 20: 04
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: inkass_98
    Actually, these are the usual standards in my high school at "5". Only cross was 3 km.

    What does it have to do with grade 5, they ran at the stadium for three kilometers

    We in OMON ran 80km, 100km marches with our weapons and ammunition.
    1. 0
      22 March 2017 21: 00
      Quote: veps75
      In OMON we ran marches on 80km, 100km with our weapons and ammunition

      - um ... I'm alone here alternatively gifted Free Shooter everyone tried to prove that riot police - this is not special forces ...
      - it is a pity that you did not participate in this dialogue laughing
    2. 0
      22 March 2017 22: 55
      .... OMON rider, this is in the city ... civilization ... Although try a minibus in the cabin or in a reserved seat car .... Elbows, elbows, and exx .....
      SWAT is the jungle, steppe, desert and mountain pancake
  38. 0
    22 March 2017 20: 58
    Yes, they are cool, but why did they dub our ours.
  39. 0
    22 March 2017 21: 39
    Thanks, thanks. Very interesting. It would be great for contrast to read an article about some Russian analogue of the ST. In the Soviet years, there were many legends about air assault brigades
    1. 0
      23 March 2017 04: 00
      In the Soviet war, the DSB did not even belong to the Airborne Forces. It was the infantry, which was delivered to the nearest rear by helicopter. The name is fully consistent with the purpose of the parts. Assault. Initially, even the uniform was ordinary, soldierly. Before Afghanistan (a few years before) they began to dress like paratroopers.
      By the way, then the brigades of the Special Forces of the GRU also began to dress. And the differences erased Afghanistan. Just because the paratroopers and the deshebeshniki there acted the same way. In the best case, by helicopter, and usually by BMD or BMP.
      But in the Dzerzhinsky division there really was a company of "hunters" serious. At its base now operates one of the most famous detachments of Special Forces. Then she was just 9 (if memory serves me right) company. The fighters had training there ...
      1. +6
        23 March 2017 11: 02
        True Alexander, the famous "9th company" (not based on the Bondarchuk film). A Vityaz detachment was formed at its base. In OMSDON (Separate Motorized Rifle Division for Special Purpose - "Dzerzhinka"), there was also "its own Special Forces Brigade" - in Sofrino, the Sofrinsk Brigade, the operational brigade of the BB, was called.
        1. GIN
          +1
          13 November 2017 07: 21
          For the whole of Chechnya, in OMSDON, a person died 10 of these fat, ironed dudes there no one saw the warriors are called the army pulled everything
    2. 0
      23 March 2017 12: 33
      In Russia, there are no analogues to the Green Berets, not in quantitative terms, not in functional ...
      1. 0
        23 March 2017 14: 14
        Each fighter must be prepared no worse than a green beret. And to fight not by numbers, but by skill.
        1. 0
          23 March 2017 14: 22
          they wrote nothing ...
          how without units the units will specialize in countries? Gee ...
          1. 0
            23 March 2017 14: 35
            And what happened to the number of troops?
            even with unrecognized countries and dependent territories 270 is obtained.
            Recognized - 197, member countries of the UN - 193.
            "Even 2 fighters" for each country can be specialized. soldier
            1. 0
              23 March 2017 14: 47
              Yeah ... Language, Geography, Mentality, Traditions of a probable opponent ... the fighters of each Green Beret Group know it all ... The group consists of 4 battalions, a headquarters, and a service group ....

              In Russia, this is not close ...
              1. 0
                23 March 2017 15: 16
                Quote: Holoy
                In Russia, this is not close ...

                If you do nothing, then it will not.
                Americans are not born with this knowledge either.

                And if our fighter is assigned to (for example) Tuvalu, then he will at least know what it is and where, when and how much. And maybe after going through the service and on vacation, she will go there, and talk with the residents, and meet the girls there. He will make connections, learn the language, organize the partisan underground.
              2. 0
                23 March 2017 17: 22
                Quote: Holoy
                In Russia, this is not close ...

                laughing That's right ... And these green little men appeared out of nowhere. And that Hero of Russia that in Syria caused fire on himself ... And indeed, we have the main infantry force ... a hundred kilometers passed and still hunting ... And the language ... Yes, after Russian there are no difficult languages ​​... To talk ... Checked ...
                Only now I have a doubt ... since the time of the SA .... That these same MI-6, berets and other Massads tried to make friends with the Soviet infantry ... Probably in memory of the victories of their grandfathers and great-grandfathers ... Kmm Russia I don’t understand ... wherever you spit, Panfilov’s ... Even in kindergartens ... Probably the climate is ...
                1. 0
                  23 March 2017 19: 45
                  You do not write me slogans. And to begin with, learn the essence, why are the Green Berets needed and created? If you don’t break then read my first comment, it briefly says about the Green Berets ... I have been studying their history for many years since 1982 from all sources ...
                  1. 0
                    24 March 2017 16: 13
                    Quote: Holoy
                    .I have been studying their history for many years since 1982

                    Hammer .. And I did not study them ... They studied me .. And what? Let’s measure by pussy?
                2. GIN
                  0
                  13 November 2017 07: 15
                  what are Panfilov’s Kulikovo field around
              3. 0
                23 March 2017 18: 43
                Quote: Holoy
                In Russia, this is not close ...



                information is visible first-hand :)
                1. 0
                  23 March 2017 19: 47
                  Well, about a single Special Forces of 13 thousand people and consisting of 7 groups. The group consists of 4 battalions, a headquarters, and a service group, in Russia everyone would know ...
                2. +1
                  23 March 2017 21: 29
                  Holoy In Russia, this is not close ...

                  Oh well
                  1. +1
                    23 March 2017 22: 44
                    The symbol of our Border Guards is still the Green Cap, and not the Beret ...
                    1. +1
                      23 March 2017 23: 51
                      The green cap is our everything, but the fact remains that the green beret has existed in the DShMG and MMG for more than 15 years and is a reality today. and camouflage border berets already, go, and not be found anywhere, in any case, where I was on business trips I did not see. mostly kepi ..
                      1. 0
                        24 March 2017 16: 09
                        laughing That’s ... Borders your mother. Do not trash the cap .. It is washed with the blood of hundreds and thousands of border guards. And the green beret appeared in the United States simply because when forming units for special operations, most of the candidates were from the CIA. And they wore green berets simply because no one in the US Army wore such .. In 1947, if I am not mistaken, even a special order was banning the wearing of these berets by special operations ...
                        Himself is not at all a border guard, he didn’t even get close, but I respect his cap ... Just like his blue cap or sailor’s cap ...
  40. 0
    23 March 2017 00: 31
    Physical fitness is certainly good. But we must keep in mind that the enemy can take the best weapons, equipment, tactics, etc.
    Although it is possible in the future exoskeletons will receive their development, and then it will be possible to brag not about their sports achievements, but the exoskeleton model and battery capacity.)))
  41. 0
    24 March 2017 12: 13
    I read the comments ... And ofigel. It turns out that the local sofa-goers are all right in the special forces. Despite the fact that of those younger, many did not even serve in the army, and of those who were older and served, their health has long been wrong.
    Because it is seriously undermined by the regular abuse of the "green serpent", tobacco and other similar negative factors.
    Many, even in full-time army vehicles or armored vehicles (armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles, etc.) will not crawl (crawl) due to excess weight (beer lovers), not to mention working for days in it, but then show-offs are higher the roof. laughing

    Rest guys, you are fighters like that:



    And in the end, we get with enviable regularity:

  42. +8
    24 March 2017 17: 37
    They have a mediocre physo. Yes, it’s not the main thing for a scout, although it’s very important. I remember that the Leipzig DShB tried to drive a group of the Norsk company with UAZs in the forest - it didn’t work out. “A healthy mind would still have a healthy body,” as the ancients said.
  43. 0
    24 March 2017 18: 48
    Why is this article in analytics? This is an opinion! Return the cons.
  44. 0
    25 March 2017 21: 10
    Quote: 2ez
    http://scfoton.ru/normativ-bega-na-3-km Все четко и ясно. Силы ССО РФ - 11.0, остальные - больше времени. Но все зависит от условий забега. Одно дело по дорожке стадиона в кроссовках, и другое - бег по пересеченке в полной боевой...

    Guys, it’s bringing everyone to the wrong place! The selection standards are one, but life is still different! What are 3 or 5 km?! In real life, from 20 km to a complete test! And none of the DRG will run them for a while, the maximum is a quick step. The main task is to quietly come, to complete the task, and most importantly to UNMISSIBLE to leave. Otherwise, behind enemy lines, if you were shining, you will be full of .. ....Because they are preparing for this and fleeting battle.
  45. GIN
    0
    13 November 2017 07: 09
    Arrows at the partisans have not ended yet, and if someone thinks that with such a short course they will learn a lot wrong service life means a lot
  46. 0
    18 November 2017 12: 22
    The green and blue berets clutched somehow to fight. Green blue broke from head to foot, and that one with hooves. Well, the green one left, and the blue one jumped up, ran up to the horizontal bar and twenty times “upside down”.
    But, in general, I remember watching the series "Deadliest Warrior" - "Invincible Warrior", there is one episode about the hassle of green and maroon berets. Krapovye green piled on, though not without difficulty. And the series is American. Although, maybe they are so scared of their own.
  47. 0
    20 November 2017 17: 46
    I liked the article very much, everything was truthfully and accurately described, in our time during the USSR the preparation was tougher I don’t know how now I really want to hope that everything remains as before.