Russian special operations forces: a look from America

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The National Interest American edition, which we respect, once again attracted the attention of the article by Dave Majumdar “Get Ready America: Russia has its deadly Deltas”.



(http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/get-ready-america-russia-has-its-own-deadly-delta-force-19793)

An interesting article, a peculiar look at our affairs "from there." Of course, it is not surprising that in the United States they believe that the “lessons of the West” have benefited us and resulted in the creation of the MTR - special operations forces in 2013.

Funny, it turns out, buddy Dave, obviously, neither in the slightest bit of a spirit is he aware of the fact that in the USSR, and accordingly in Russia, the guys who were able to break their noses with “delto”, were always more than enough.

And only in the 2013 year, realizing, finally, that Delta is serious, the Russians rushed to "catch up and overtake". As usual.

And what did the men from the Alpha, Vympel, TsSN FSB, Sigma, Rus and many others do, as it were, not counting, since there was no corresponding sign? And the operations were not special?

Well, yes, even if the spirit of Amin from the other world was called and questioned ... For example. Unclassified.

No, claims to Majumdar this time not so much as it was before. I worked very well, and the words are very respectful. But why give everything as if we had no one before 2013, able to compare with the “delto” ones?

"Spetsury" we have always had enough. And in class and level of training, our specialists have never yielded to American ones. Another question is, what is the MTR?

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation defines the term “special operation” as follows:

Special operations of troops (forces) - a set of special actions of troops (forces) coordinated by goals, tasks, place and time, conducted according to a single plan and plan to achieve certain goals. Special actions of troops (forces) - events conducted by specially designated, organized, trained and equipped forces using methods and methods of combat operations that are not typical of conventional forces (reconnaissance, sabotage, subversive, counterterrorism, counter-sabotage, counterintelligence, guerrilla, anti-guerrilla and other actions ).

That is, the SSO is a highly mobile, specially prepared, technically equipped and equipped army group of forces of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, designed to perform special tasks in order to protect Russia's interests (if necessary, with the use of military force) both inside the country and abroad, both in peacetime and in wartime, being in constant and high readiness for immediate use.

The key word is “army”. That is, it was created on the basis of the best fighters of the Armed Forces of Russia. With all the ensuing consequences.

In America, they consider (deservedly so) that in the short time of their existence, the SSO have already managed to show themselves and acquire combat experience. Thank you, agree. Work in the Crimea and Syria is a good confirmation of this. But forgive me, but who said that people in MTR were grown in test tubes, and were not selected from various units that had combat experience of the North Caucasus and Georgia on the principle of "the best of the best"?

I do not know, maybe in America it is accepted?

Further a little humor or frank laughter. Again, I don’t know where the Americans got information about how MTRs are financed by us, but for some reason they have a firm belief that our financing to our overseas colleagues is far away. Nevertheless, our results show.

“Of course, they have no money for specialized helicopters and air transportation,” commented weapons expert Michael Kofman from the US Navy Analysis Center.

And here, for example, the US Joint Special Operations Command has advanced Sikorsky UH-60 advanced multifunctional helicopters that in 2011 were involved in the operation to eliminate Osama bin Laden in Pakistan.

And our MTRs are then armed with at least teleports, judging from the Crimea.

In fact, I would very much like to send Mr. Kofman to the site of our Ministry of Defense (mil.ru). Although it will break a leg, it is possible to find information that the Mi-8MTV-5 (Mi-17Sh) helicopters are in service with the Russian MTR. It is a completely modern multi-purpose military transport helicopters designed to transport personnel and cargo inside the cabin and on the external sling.

I won't say anything against Black Hawk, it's a good car. But our Mi-8MTV-5 is not much behind him. And if we take into account that this modification can be hung weaponsequivalent to the Mi-24 kit, it turns out quite a good picture. Given the experience of the use of Mi-8 in more than three dozen military conflicts around the world.

And the planes are also available. An-26. Not supernova car, but proven over the years.

From what mister Kofman has taken, that the SSO does not have money for helicopters and planes, it is difficult to say. Maybe there is no money, but there are also airplanes and helicopters.

As well as other equipment that should provide high mobility of the SSO units. Yamaha 700 ATVs, BRP SEA-DOO GTX LTD and BRP SEA-DOO RTX-215 Jet Skis, GAZ-2330 Tiger, UAZ-3132 Gusar, Buggy Gepard, KamAZ-5350 Mustang and Toyota Hilux.

And also the BTR-82A.

Further mister Kofman continues to amuse those who understand the essence.

“The first use of command in real combat was the landmark annexation of the Crimea, especially the seizure of the Crimean parliament at the very beginning. After this operation, the nickname “polite people” emerged, which the Russian special forces called the people ”.

Everyone, of course, is very interesting, probably, about what fights Mr. Kofman is talking about. Me too. They were called "polite" precisely because they managed to ensure silence and order in the Crimea, without shooting at anyone and not leading real battles. Maybe the most insidious and uncomprehending butts on the pots knocked, but how many videos there were, how many stories from all sides, and not a single sensible proof that "polite people" behaved impolitely.

And what is the most funny, in fact, all the “missing” and “shot and buried in the night” representatives of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the Navy of Ukraine after a while massively played deserters, because they were serving in the Armed Forces.

Mr. Kofman speaks about the work of the MTR in Syria.

"In September, 2015, the KSSO moved to Syria, where he has to take on an increasingly prominent role in supporting Russian military operations. There, the KSSO participates in missions, starting from searching for the navigator of the downed Su-24M and returning him to the base, searching for the on-board recorder of the downed aircraft, scouting targets for cruise missile strikes, actions in the enemy’s rear through ambushes, before retaliation against individual groups of fighters. It seems to me that KSSO played a decisive role in the battle for Palmyra in the spring of 2016, and was very active in supporting the Syrian Going to Aleppo. "

Well, thanks to Mr. Kofman for such a high assessment and confirmation (albeit indirectly) that the executioners who fired at our hospital received what they deserved.

Opinion from the other side, especially, is pleasant. Especially when it is well deserved.

The author of the article, D. Majumdar, concludes: “Considering how quickly the KSSO and other special forces of Russia gain experience and skills, they are able to become one of the most outstanding rivals who can one day defy American forces.”

What can I say in response? Only that Mr. Editor of The National Interest, apparently due to certain circumstances, says so. We understand it perfectly, but ... Our special operations forces today are the force that can be too tough for the delta and the fur seal.

This is still not the creation of some kind of army structure from scratch, it is in fact a reorganization of the already existing special forces.

Dear Sirs from The National Interest, do not count money. Look at the results. And the results said, they say and they will say that our special forces are not capable of becoming outstanding rivals in the future. They are them in the present. And what will happen in 10-15 years, we'll see.

Yes, by the way, they don’t regret money for the SSO.

Used materials:
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/get-ready-america-russia-has-its-own-deadly-delta-force-19793
Forms of application of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation // encyclopedia.mil.ru
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  1. +40
    20 March 2017 06: 21
    In fact, we need to remind them that our MTRs began to work against the United States much earlier. Even from Vietnam. With the defeat of the secret base, and again the hijacking of the latest helicopter. And without any loss on our part. In May 1968, a group of Soviet GRU special forces of up to 10 people attacked a secret American facility located on the territory of the Republic of Cambodia, 30 kilometers from the border with Vietnam. The Americans used this base for dropping their reconnaissance groups to Vietnam, as well as sorties in order to search for their special forces and downed pilots. In the parking lot of the complex, in full combat readiness, there were always 2 light helicopters, up to 10 transport helicopters, as well as 4 Cobra helicopters. The purpose of the attack was precisely these helicopters, which at that time had a unique targeting system and guided missiles. After 25 minutes of the attack, one Cobra helicopter was hijacked to Vietnam, and the rest destroyed. Losses among the personnel of American soldiers amounted to 20 people. The CIA learned that the operation was carried out by special forces of the Soviet Union only a few years later, as a result of an internal leak from the KGB.
    1. +12
      20 March 2017 06: 50

      In 2009, during the comprehensive reform of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation on the basis of military unit No. 92154 in the Moscow Region, a Special Operations Directorate was created, subordinated personally to the chief of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. At the beginning of 2012, on the initiative of the Chief of the General Staff N.E. Makarov, the Special Operations Directorate was deployed to the Special Operations Forces Command (KSSO), with subsequent plans to increase MTR to nine special forces brigades and parallel increase in the number of Special Forces brigades of district subordination.
      Every year, on February 27, starting in 2015, Russia celebrates "Day of the Special Operations Forces of the Russian Armed Forces." This memorable day was established by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin No. 103 dated February 26, 2015
      1. 0
        20 March 2017 08: 08
        Quote: Rich
        At the beginning of 2012, on the initiative of the Chief of the General Staff N.E. Makarov, the Special Operations Directorate was deployed to the Special Operations Forces Command (KSSO), with subsequent plans to increase MTR to nine special forces brigades and parallel increase the number of Special Forces brigades of district subordination.

        And how many units and units of Osnaz entered there?
        1. +5
          20 March 2017 08: 24
          I do not have such information. I can leave the telephone number 8 (495) 224-22-22. On it you will be happy to answer all questions.
          1. +1
            20 March 2017 08: 38
            Quote: Rich
            I can leave the phone

            Thanks for the number. But I already know the answer, through my channels.
          2. +14
            20 March 2017 10: 54
            And the telephone is not from the series: "Hello, thank you for calling the FSB reception. Expect, you have already left for you"? bully
    2. +1
      20 March 2017 08: 06
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      In fact, we need to remind them that our MTRs began to work against the United States much earlier. Yet from Vietnam.

      Yes, yes ... And in Korea, of course, they WASN'T ... Well, where could they come from ...
      1. +5
        20 March 2017 12: 22
        You need to dig a little deeper ... remember Sudoplatov - than not the MTR.
        1. +2
          20 March 2017 13: 37
          Quote: ddd1975
          You need to dig a little deeper ... remember Sudoplatov - than not the MTR.

          And even deeper and recall the theory and practice of "active intelligence" ... the 20s of the 20th century ... An interesting story
          1. +2
            22 March 2017 12: 27
            Quote: ddd1975
            You need to dig a little deeper ... remember Sudoplatov - than not the MTR.


            What other MTR!

            Quote: svp67
            And even deeper and recall the theory and practice of "active intelligence" ... the 20s of the 20th century ... An interesting story


            Interestingly, in the USA, OSS appeared only during World War II, and what happened before, and was it?
    3. +1
      20 March 2017 08: 25
      Trump would have agreed with Putin, but would have dispersed his Senate without any color revolutions there. We have experience. lol
      1. +1
        20 March 2017 08: 40
        Quote: siberalt
        Trump would have agreed with Putin, but would have dispersed his Senate without any color revolutions there. We have experience.

        No. Do you propose to plunge the United States into the abyss of the Civil War? So it just won’t pass for the world, it will actually be the beginning of the Third World War, but without long alliances of countries and the struggle of all against all, for the “tidbits” of the collapsed Empire.
      2. 0
        20 March 2017 12: 11
        Quote: siberalt
        Trump would have agreed with Putin, but would have dispersed his Senate without any color revolutions there.

        It just burns, not - there’s a long-term operation.
      3. 0
        20 March 2017 14: 48
        Quote: siberalt
        We have experience.

        Is there a victory experience over the Ministry of Defense? And over his woman? But Mara can’t cope. This is for you not bad-skinned accountants in green berets to tear on a unionjack. It is dangerous!!!
    4. +4
      20 March 2017 11: 25
      The old Soviet jokes about LiCiCina and about the Vietnamese don't give up have real ground. lol
    5. +3
      20 March 2017 15: 53
      The National Interest American edition, which we respect, once again attracted the attention of the article by Dave Majumdar “Get Ready America: Russia has its deadly Deltas”.


      Deltas !? I consider this an insult, Delta did not perform one operation normally, In the USA they even planned to disband them for their failures.
      1. +10
        20 March 2017 19: 12
        But in my opinion everything is much simpler. For the sake of interest, I looked at the "work" of Comrade Dave Majumdar, because this name was mentioned more than once and the articles were very one-sided. The publication is only called loudly The National Interest, but in fact the children's Popular Mechanics, no offense, is about geopolitics. The mentioned comrade scribbles horror stories for the townsfolk, clearly fulfills the order. At least, with realism, it also sins in information richness, it’s even more interesting in our comments, when we’re not gnarled bully
        It seems to me that the articles of such a comrade do not deserve special attention of those present, "very" flat. At VO you don’t agree with everyone, but this is often View, not custom verbiage.
        Well, now for a little? For us, for you and for special forces
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  2. +3
    20 March 2017 06: 30
    Americans are accustomed to pomposing everything, and this is bad for us. Better as ours, modestly and quietly.
    1. 0
      20 March 2017 06: 59
      But it’s interesting ... Is this "media organ" known there? Or is it just ours?
      Quote: CYBERNINDJA
      Americans are accustomed to pomposing everything, and this is bad for us. Better as ours, modestly and quietly.
  3. +5
    20 March 2017 06: 44
    I will not say anything against the Black Hawk, this is a good car. But our Mi-8MTV-5 is not much inferior to him.
    Yes, not that it will not give way - in the mountains it is much superior!
    1. +2
      20 March 2017 08: 09
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Yes, not that it will not give way - in the mountains it is much superior!

      And the first serial “Killer Whales” and Mi-38 will go to them ... So it’s not like they are technicians, they are not offended by excellent technics.
  4. +45
    20 March 2017 07: 19


    The first group of MTR
    1. +3
      20 March 2017 08: 11
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      The first group of MTR

      Alas, no. This trinity is one of the first official border guards ... Even the name of their armed group was similar - an outpost.
      1. +7
        20 March 2017 08: 37
        Quote: svp67
        outpost.

        If today this picture of the three heroes consists of two words, then Vasnetsov’s name of the picture was quite as long as the master himself intended: the heroes Alyosha Popovich Ilya Muromets and Dobrynya Nikitich.
  5. +13
    20 March 2017 07: 23
    As far as I remember, in the Greek alphabet, ALPHA is ahead of DELTA. winked
    1. +4
      20 March 2017 08: 12
      Quote: igordok
      As far as I remember, in the Greek alphabet, ALPHA is ahead of DELTA.

      Yeah, that's just our "Alpha" has no relation to the MTR of the RF Ministry of Defense, it's still the FSB special forces.
      1. 0
        20 March 2017 08: 49
        Pennant worked abroad with the same FSB
        1. +3
          20 March 2017 09: 03
          Quote: krokodil25
          Pennant worked abroad with the same FSB

          No, the KGB ...
          1. +1
            26 March 2017 16: 09
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: krokodil25
            Pennant worked abroad with the same FSB

            No, the KGB ...

            Now it would belong to the SVR
  6. +4
    20 March 2017 07: 44
    All these assessments of Western "experts" once again prove that they don’t consider us especially for people, it’s kind of humanoid we are, where we are before them. If suddenly something better is already a threat to everything "civilized" (through the backside) laughing ) to humanity.
  7. +6
    20 March 2017 08: 05
    The longer they remain ignorant of the real capabilities of our MTRs, the better for us and worse for them ... Woe to the losers.
    1. 0
      26 March 2017 18: 05
      Quote: svp67
      The longer they remain ignorant of the real capabilities of our MTRs, the better for us and worse for them ... Woe to the losers.

      Who are these "they are".
      If this is command, then I think they are unlikely to underestimate our strength. Otherwise there would be no hysteria. And if you mean the population, then yes, I agree, cap-hatred did not bring to good.
      By the way, I read the source and I was interested in comments on it. So, they say that our specialists are possible and good, but in the matter of releasing the hostages, the Delta squads and cats have no equal in the world, hinting at our Alpha and the infamous Budennovsk, Beslan and Nord-Ost. When asked to give examples of successful operations of the former, the capture of Saddam Hussein and the release of several European contractors in the same Iraq were called. The rest is supposedly classified.
  8. 0
    20 March 2017 08: 06
    Roman, why is this stupid boast in the style of Majumdar? Let yourself continue to amuse themselves with their exclusivity, for us information about our special forces is completely different.
  9. +7
    20 March 2017 08: 29
    Americans hide the true picture of the results of their MTR, and the results are very mixed:
    1. The number of suicides among Iraqi veterans is 25 (!) Times higher than among other segments of the population.
    2. The number of mental disorders is carefully hidden, but the awl in a bag cannot be hidden. Iraqi veteran, "fur seal", the best sniper in the history of the US Army Chris Kyle (2 missions to Iraq, 255 goals counted, and 169 confirmed) was killed in the United States in a shooting range in which he worked as an instructor, an Iraqi veteran suffering from mental upset. Clint Eastwood made about this film - 6 Oscar nominations.
    3. What do the US MTR in Afghanistan no one knows. They have been present there for more than ten years, so what? Where are the results?
    4. The operation to capture Bin Laden still raises questions even from journalists, not to mention professionals. And this despite the fact that everything is filmed on video.
    1. +1
      20 March 2017 11: 55
      And one of their vaunted helicopters in them just broke
    2. +2
      20 March 2017 14: 37
      1. Here is the link, because Google doesn’t know anything like that.
      2. How is the first related to the second (I'm talking about a hash inside the second paragraph)
      3. How do you know that the US MTR has been present there for more than 10 years?
      4. It would be strange if it hadn’t.
      1. +1
        20 March 2017 20: 55
        The first in Afghanistan were the Special Forces deployed to guide the aircraft and the Tomahawks, followed by the marines who took Kandahar Airport. Since 2001, Delta, Seal, Force Recon, Green Berets, and Army Rangers have continuously carried out operations to eliminate the VIPs of the Taliban, Hakani, and Al Qaeda. The SEALS in Helmand Province had access anywhere; their jurisdiction extended throughout the province. The Marines respect them very much and help everyone they can. Basically, SEALS perform kill operations. MTR never withdrawn from Afghanistan even when escalating conflict in Iraq 2006-2007
    3. +9
      21 March 2017 02: 30
      What do the US MTR in Afghanistan no one knows. They have been present there for more than ten years, so what? Where are the results?

      ... know what. The volume of heroin supplied has increased many times since the deployment of Americans in Afghanistan. Locals openly say: this is our poppy, and this is an American soldier.
      So they have a result ... Such a goal was not declared openly, but the UK did not ring at every step that it was the main supplier of opium. The Anglo-Saxons and their former colony have not changed at all.
  10. +2
    20 March 2017 08: 50
    While working in ZIL in 79, I met a simple hard worker, my colleague, young ones, as I had a conversation for life over a glass of tea: who served where and how, and so on. to the world. And he answered me: OSNAZ troops. What kind of "animals", I ask? Yes, for the capture of nuclear weapons, NATO is responsible. This is the first time I learned about MTR!
    1. +6
      20 March 2017 09: 05
      Quote: andrewkor
      And he answered me: OSNAZ troops. What kind of "animals", I ask? Yes, for the capture of nuclear weapons, NATO is responsible.

      He lied to you. OsNaz is a technical intelligence. But the value of these guys is HUGE. One special from OsNaz can bring as much information about the enemy as a couple of SPNaz groups cannot
      1. +2
        20 March 2017 10: 58
        Quote: svp67
        One special from OsNaz can bring as much information about the enemy as a couple of SPNaz groups cannot

        Everyone carries their chestnuts out of the fire ... The answer is moot ...
  11. +15
    20 March 2017 09: 00
    And what did the men from the Alpha, Vympel, TsSN FSB, Sigma, Rus and many others do, as it were, not counting, since there was no corresponding sign? And the operations were not special?
    As a matter of fact, the SPO GRU MO brigades became the basis of the MTR, and not the listed units. All that we see is just some reorganization on formal issues, and the GRU SPN both remained and remained. Just before they were not allocated to separate "troops". In order not to shine once again. And now special troops have issued in the form of MTR.
    I will not say anything against the Black Hawk, this is a good car. But our Mi-8MTV-5 is not much inferior to him.
    Since Soviet times, one of the main properties of special forces has been - not to attract attention and in the crowd of identical overcoats to be the most not catchy. If the enemy is watching our soldiers, then the commando should look like the most ordinary "combined arms soldier." Not the most worn out, and not the coolest. Serenky. Correspondingly, the equipment should not sharply unmask its “special” status by designations, markings, coloring, details of equipment. Therefore, for the special forces in the widest way used the usual "combined arms" equipment, which carry ordinary soldiers too. American specialists are so cool that they can be seen per kilometer. For example, a special UH-60 is immediately noticeable on a long fuel rod, which simple non-special UH-60 do not have. And the color is also black - in the dark it is not much better than the dark green standard, but in the afternoon it’s immediately visible - special forces are flying.
    And the second point - the special forces must rely on special equipment very carefully. Since the loss of this equipment in the operation is very likely and you may have to use captured on the move combined arms equipment. But this nifig shell is not special. And the commandos should also produce high-level results with conventional equipment. It should not be so that take away the PBS, the NV glasses and the navigator, and he will merge the task at a loss. Therefore, ours and ordinary helicopters, and weapons, albeit with bells and whistles, but basically standard.
    1. 0
      20 March 2017 09: 54
      I’ll add a little, the units of the Special Forces of the Ministry of Defense didn’t even have their own uniforms, most often they were legendary under the airborne forces ..
      1. +1
        20 March 2017 11: 02
        According to the order for such units and subunits, the uniform must correspond to the most numerous parts of the garrison. So, it could be any kind and types of the USSR Armed Forces. another thing is that the tanks on the buttonholes were especially chic ... But the tank units in the USSR were practically part of any division of ground troops ...
  12. +8
    20 March 2017 09: 07
    It’s interesting there they have everything ... and they will fight for them, too, MONEY WILL .. Well, some kind of nonsense to her God! how whether money and the amount are decided in the quality of the training of the guys!
    Poor generals in the USA
  13. +4
    20 March 2017 09: 49
    Actually, we need to remind them that our MTRs began working against the United States much earlier.

    Slight not accuracy. Let me fix it ... not against the United States, they began to work, but simply work. And who, where and how they came to hand with, they are not to blame. And they worked in all the hot spots ... and how they worked. Not only America’s commandos, but also representatives of the French Legion, the Cuban commando, the English CAC and others could tell about this in great detail.
  14. 0
    20 March 2017 09: 49
    Russia has its own deadly Deltas.

    ... found something to compare. This delta to our specialists, as back to Turkey ... wassat
  15. +5
    20 March 2017 10: 16
    Interestingly, at least one deltovets or fur seals will be able to pass the standard for maroon beret?
    1. +10
      20 March 2017 10: 57
      Quote: NEXUS
      Interestingly, at least one deltovets or fur seals will be able to pass the standard for maroon beret?

      Doubts are in another. Doubts are that if their special forces are taken away from GPS, NVD, PBS and other James Bond bells and whistles, it will merge faster than ours. And the maroon beret is not the GRU SPN, this is BB. And in SPN GRU they didn’t take the most powerful. The most powerful ones are in the Airborne Forces. And in the special forces - smart, smart, moderately strong, not catchy in appearance. Do not beat the bricks with your head - the head of the special forces is the main weapon. Not so spectacular and beautiful, but very effective.
    2. +1
      20 March 2017 11: 05
      laughing Why do they need this? Go from delta to NG? You fell for the same bait as the rest.
      By the way, exams at Delta are no easier ...
  16. +2
    20 March 2017 11: 11
    Russia has its own deadly Deltas.


    ... found something to compare our specialists with ... Delta is a kindergarten against our specialists ... laughing
  17. +1
    20 March 2017 11: 27
    Quote: CYBERNINDJA
    Americans are accustomed to pomposing everything, and this is bad for us. Better as ours, modestly and quietly.

    Hollywood is not so developed here. Although everyone in the west is talking about "Russian propaganda."
  18. 0
    20 March 2017 11: 28
    "... don't count the money. Look at the results ...".
    And does this say the Americans? Horror! Yes, for them, money is paramount, except for religiosity (which includes all churches and sects, including the greens, LGBT people and nudists).
    Therefore Westerners do not see Russians point blank until they receive from the Russians by chance the tough ones.
  19. +2
    20 March 2017 12: 13
    In fact, in Grenada, both seals and deltovtsy showed that they still need to grow up to the Cuban construction battalion. And since then, BinLaden has been their most serious adversary
    1. 0
      20 March 2017 21: 48
      And penetration into the deep rear of Iraq in 91 and 2003, Afghanistan 2001, Libya, Syria, Yemen does not count?
      1. +2
        20 March 2017 23: 15
        Alas, the Middle Eastern guys for many centuries did not even learn how to catch camels (which was a witness himself) T.ch. not count
        1. 0
          21 March 2017 05: 11
          Do you want to say penetrating the rear of a well-armed opponent, even a poorly trained one, is a walk in the park?
          1. +1
            22 March 2017 23: 30
            Well, you set goals! Walk in the park, operations against Islamic countries. There, Saudi Arabia in defense spending seems to have already overtaken Russia, and it’s only suitable for receiving from the Hussites. The real adversary for the American special forces is Cubans, Vietnamese, Chinese and Koreans, maybe someone else. But, something even in North Korea, no objects, nuclear or missile, were subjected to special forces attacks.
  20. 0
    20 March 2017 12: 22
    And what did the general do in order to make the army better?
  21. +1
    20 March 2017 12: 32
    Yes, by the way, they don’t regret money for the SSO.
    One Crimea "beat off" for centuries the funds invested and invested in the future in the MTR
  22. 0
    20 March 2017 12: 37
    Quote: Michael
    All these assessments of Western "experts" once again prove that they don’t consider us especially for people, it’s kind of humanoid we are, where we are before them. If suddenly something better is already a threat to everything "civilized" (through the backside) laughing ) to humanity.

    They are afraid of us, unpredictable. lol
  23. +5
    20 March 2017 12: 42
    On September 30, 1985, four employees of the USSR Embassy were captured in Beirut almost simultaneously. The car in which the diplomats rode was seized almost opposite the exit from the consulate. Another car with diplomats was blocked near the Trad hospital. The classic attack scheme is blocking a car, balaclava masks, weapons, shooting and rapid disappearance. The abductors of Soviet citizens showed up quite quickly. Demand for release was very unusual for that time. The terrorists demanded that Moscow influence the Syrian government in order to stop the Syrian military operation against Lebanon, and Moscow should also liquidate its embassy in Lebanon. In case of refusal to fulfill the requirements, the terrorists threatened to kill all Soviet diplomats. It is worth noting that not one of the allied countries: Iran, Jordan, Libya - helped the USSR to free the hostages, although there was an opportunity for this.

    The KGB learned that the operation to capture the diplomats was carried out by the most secret and powerful division of Hezbollah, Munat al Jihad al-Slami, led by Imad Mughniya. The KGB station in Beirut decided to recruit the closest circle of Mugniy and developed a plan to eliminate him - in case the Soviet hostages were executed. The terrorists confirmed the seriousness of their intentions by shooting one of the diplomats, who was accidentally wounded during the capture, so the Soviet special forces had to act immediately.

    The task was entrusted to the newly created Vympel special forces group. Control over the operation was headed by General Yuri Ivanovich Drozdov. Further events unfolded quickly. Unexpectedly for the Palestinians, the closest associates of Mugniy began to disappear - the man who executed the wounded Soviet diplomat.

    One after another, more than 10 commanders of various Lebanese special services disappeared. After these disappearances, Mugnia received a letter asking him to choose the next victim on his own if he did not release the Soviet hostages. Imad Mugniya realized that if the note could be delivered personally to him, then he would become the next. The very next day, the Soviet hostages were released, and the siege of the Soviet embassy was lifted.
    1. +1
      20 March 2017 14: 34
      I read about it in Sov. Secret. I will not argue with you. Their version is as follows: our employee died in an unsuccessful solitary escape, this Imad was sent a parcel with the head of the closest associate. He played back !!
    2. +1
      20 March 2017 15: 23
      I heard that in the role of “letter” was a box with a dismantled relative of this mugdila.
  24. +2
    20 March 2017 12: 44
    The vehicles in service with the MTR are GAZ-2330 Tiger, UAZ-3132 Gusar, Buggy Cheetah, KamAZ-5350 Mustang and Toyota Hilux. Toyota "Hilux" - somehow not patriotic ......
    1. +2
      20 March 2017 12: 57
      Quote: Andrew3000
      Toyota "Hilux" - somehow not patriotic ......

      They even have M16 and M4 in service. And about sniper rifles and say nothing. This work. smile
      1. +1
        20 March 2017 15: 17
        Most likely it’s not work, but they make shitty weapons in our homeland, but unfortunately only at competitions with Hk and Mkami, in other cases his mother is tired.
  25. +4
    20 March 2017 13: 07
    Generally disagree with our author ...

    One confusion ...

    I want to tell the author-MTR is not a classic Special Forces at all for its tasks. The US MTR and the Russian MTR are heaven and earth. If we take the whole range of tasks that were set when the US MTR was created, then ours did not reach half the functions of the US MTR ... At best, all our forces in the MTR went to a level that is performed only by a separate division of the MTR USA 75th US Ranger Regiment ... I will not list all of their functions for a long time, but we don’t have any units like the Green Berets and Seals, let alone Delta ... and I’m unlikely to be with such funding .. .

    Yes, and money is still not enough ... do not decorate everything! Even our TV reporter talked about this when he was in training, he was surprised by the dead plane of the time of the Tsar of Peas, which they allotted with a sin in half ... but there is no one of their aircraft in the MTR of Russia ... what can I say ...
    1. +6
      20 March 2017 13: 18
      Quote: Holoy
      In the Best case, all our forces in the MTR reached a level that is performed only by a separate US MTR unit of the 75th US Rangers Regiment ... I will not list all of their functions for a long time, but units like the Green Berets and Seals, not to mention the Delta we don’t have at all ... and I think it’s unlikely that with such financing ...

      What planet have you come to us from? Everything has been around for a long time. No worse than them. Just so far, we have done without beautiful wrappers and loud pompous notations such as "MTR". We have no seals. Yes, our humble ones. "Marine Fleet Reconnaissance Point." And all things - the essence is the same, or even cooler than theirs.
      1. 0
        20 March 2017 13: 20
        For starters, you are aware of the functions of the MTR and the units of Special Forces separately, then write to me ...
        1. +4
          20 March 2017 13: 22
          Quote: Holoy
          For starters, you are aware of the functions of the MTR and the units of Special Forces separately, then write to me ..

          Horsho, I will not write. I’ll go to realize.
        2. 0
          25 March 2017 08: 21
          Apparently you have your own ideas about MTR.
          And here about the berets, and where is their training that you described ...
          1. 0
            25 March 2017 10: 51
            Gee ... I have a normal understanding of MTR and especially knowledge. But you are not at all in the subject.

            This video is not about anything. No SSO fighters and especially the Green Berets will be shining in front of foreign intelligence services, and our SSOs were not represented in this video ... 3rd Separate Guards Warsaw-Berlin Red Banner Order of the Suvorov Special Forces Brigade from Tolyatti in general then from the Special Forces of the Ground Forces ... and not from the MTR

            For starters, you and the author of the video would figure out what Army Intelligence is and what MTR is ... hi
            1. 0
              April 2 2017 13: 03
              Yes, yes, only you know, but it’s difficult to call it a norm, a hypertrophied perversion, for green berets are not MTR in your own idea of ​​the heroes of the cloak and dagger. They couldn’t even go the scout’s path ... And you so advertised them)))
  26. 0
    20 March 2017 13: 34
    Lubots is a fighter, wherever strong is precisely motivation. which you can’t buy. In the Delta, they serve for money; in our country they serve "for the homeland." That is the difference.
    1. +1
      20 March 2017 14: 06
      Og ...
      There will be even more patriots in the USA ... There are many private houses where families raise the Flag on the lawn every morning ...
    2. +1
      20 March 2017 21: 58
      Apparently patriotism is a purely Russian phenomenon?
  27. 0
    20 March 2017 13: 34
    And our Army Special Forces do not include at all the army units of the Special Forces - the 45 Airborne Forces Brigade, Ground Forces Special Forces Brigades (former GRU), Special Forces of the Navy ... do not confuse them with the Special Forces ...

    And why the FSB Special Forces were dragged ... in general it is not clear ...
    1. 0
      20 March 2017 15: 27
      And our Army Special Forces do not include at all the army units of the Special Forces - the 45 Airborne Forces Brigade, Ground Forces Special Forces Brigades (former GRU), Special Forces of the Navy ... do not confuse them with the Special Forces ...

      And who enters there interestingly?
      1. 0
        20 March 2017 17: 23
        And their units are included ... MTR-called ...
        1. 0
          20 March 2017 18: 21
          And their units are included ... MTR-called ..

          Not. not really yours. Special Forces brigades of the GRU, Navy, and Marine Corps enter. There are no units specially formed for the MTR. Only a command was formed, and all units and units were consolidated into a single structure.
          By the way, the GRU is also gone.
          1. +1
            20 March 2017 18: 47
            Quote: glory1974
            Not. not really yours. Special Forces brigades of the GRU, Navy, and Marine Corps enter. There are no units specially formed for the MTR. Only a command was formed, and all units and units were consolidated into a single structure.
            By the way, the GRU is also gone.

            Nobody enters anywhere. There are no GRU special forces brigades, but the GRU itself ... You do not confuse the Special Purpose Center Senezh where there was only a command ... with the MTR

            MTR, unlike the Special Purpose Center, Senezh just has its full-time combat units ... which perform the task. MTR is a completely autonomous and independent structure ...

            All other Special Forces units are nowhere to be found. Ground Forces Special Forces teams — are subordinate only to the Ground Forces Commander, Navy and Marine Corps — are subordinate to the Navy Commander, respectively Airborne Forces Commander ... they have their own tasks that are not related to the operations of the MTR ...
  28. 0
    20 March 2017 14: 12
    We have long had special task forces, as if not from tsarist times.
  29. +1
    20 March 2017 14: 14
    The author raised a good topic. As a result of sensible comments, we learned something interesting. Perhaps there are books about the work of our special forces during the Cold War, which can be posted here.
    In general, in Crimea, a new Russian special forces unit appeared - “Polite People”. "No noise, dust and blood," is the motto of polite, modest, inconspicuous and irreplaceable PEOPLE. Real People, real Russia.
    See at the root of this Russia, dear.
    1. 0
      20 March 2017 14: 18
      Quote: cedar
      “Without noise, dust and blood”, this is the motto of polite, modest, inconspicuous and irreplaceable ...

      - Have you come up with your own, or who prompted? fool
  30. 0
    20 March 2017 14: 33
    Well, what to take from the American “superhuman”, they are, by Amer’s definition, an “exceptional” nation (Obama said more about this), and they have the very best technique for this. And what would they not say to them and are "superhuman."
  31. 0
    20 March 2017 15: 25
    But why give everything as if we had no one before 2013 able to compare with the “Delta” ones?

    The talk is not about the fact that in Russia there was no special forces, but that all the special forces were united under a single command.
    But there was really no single command. And now there is. A command has been formed for experience in operations, including the USA.
    1. +7
      21 March 2017 17: 34
      you wrote even funnier than the author) what was the ST in the Union? First of all, intelligence. Different Special Forces worked at different levels - some in the interests of the army, some in the interests of the okrug / group / front. Now will the MTR work for everyone at once? It’s ridiculous. Different tasks, different support, different submission. But at the same time, in the Union, nevertheless, the GRU oversaw all levels of special forces and not only - military intelligence began with reconnaissance of small and medium business and was closed to the GRU. The regimental intelligence officer could well get into the Special Forces, which ensured the tide of the most capable. And all this was led by one structure. So what is the MTR chip, except as a tribute to the West as a story with brigades? A "polite people" - fun, but not the task of ST. Military intelligence must be tied to the interests and actions of the troops. Were earlier DShB / DShBr, this is just their task, but not military intelligence.
      1. 0
        21 March 2017 18: 03
        what was spn in the union? First of all, intelligence.

        Intelligence is one of many tasks.
        you wrote a funnier author

        By your comment, the degree of awareness is immediately visible.
        Different Special Forces worked at different levels - some in the interests of the army, some in the interests of the okrug / group / front. Now will the MTR work for everyone at once?

        And what prevents the MTR from working in the interests of the army and the okrug?
        The GRU was in charge of all levels of special forces and not only - military intelligence began with the intelligence of small and medium business and was closed to the GRU.

        And now what prevents curating?
        So what's the MTR chip

        MTR in fact we had before, called differently. And now they have created a command and brought all special forces into one structure.
        Were earlier DShB / DShBr, this is just their task, but not military intelligence.

        These are parts for conducting assault operations. And polite people stormed something in the Crimea? Did I miss something? If my memory serves me right, everything went without noise and dust. Do not make me laugh, write more carefully.
        1. +7
          25 March 2017 22: 35
          1. Intelligence in the USSR Special Forces was the main task;
          2. My awareness is based on service;
          3. For those who know how to read, I wrote: different subordination, different support, but a lot of different things. Otherwise, they would not have been divided into the USSR Armed Forces. In addition - knowledge of TVD, language, etc.
          . It looks like you know about military service from the materials on this site);
          4. What prevents curation? Maybe nothing, but why then fence in the garden?
          5. MTR in our army has never been under any sauce, do not flog the rubbish;
          6. DShB - not only for "assault operations, but also for those for which.
          1. 0
            27 March 2017 15: 31
            Intelligence in the USSR Special Forces was the main task;

            Tasks of the organs of spetsnaz:
            1) Reconnaissance:
            - obtaining information about the most important enemy targets, revealing the nature of his actions and intentions, the operational situation, the terrain and weather conditions in the interests of ensuring combat operations and the use of weapons of destruction for his troops.
            2) Special:
            - Destruction (incapacitation) or seizure of important enemy targets, major military leaders, prominent government politicians, samples of secret weapons, equipment, documents;
            - disorganization of the work of the rear of the enemy, the destruction of his communications in order to disrupt the systematic transfer of troops and material resources;
            - Assistance in organizing a resistance movement (partisan movement) behind enemy lines.
            3) Specific:
            a) in the interests of the armed forces:
            - radio navigation support, guidance of aviation, designation and illumination of targets, correction of air strikes, artillery fire, confirmation of the effectiveness of their actions;
            b) in order to ensure the internal security of the state:
            - Prevention (suppression) of anti-state or other activities of rebel, rebel or illegal armed groups (IAF), aimed at changing the political, state structure of the Russian Federation, its territorial integrity.
            c) other tasks:
            -search and rescue (search, rescue or evacuation of military personnel or citizens who were captured, missing or found behind enemy lines for other reasons);
            - psychological (demoralization and disorientation of enemy personnel, inducing him to cooperate, end resistance, desertion or surrender);
            - participation in peacekeeping operations and the provision of humanitarian assistance to foreign countries;
            - ensuring the safety and security of major military leaders, prominent political and state figures.
            A very wide range of tasks, but given that the GRU is an intelligence agency, let intelligence be the main task.
            Based on this logic, it becomes clear why now there is no GRU, but there is a GU.

            For those who can read, he wrote: different subordination, different support, but a lot of different things. Otherwise, they would not have been divided into the USSR Armed Forces. In addition - knowledge of TVD, language, etc.

            Therefore, they brought all forces under one leadership. Experience has shown that it is more effective.

            MTR in our army has never been under any sauce, no need to smack nonsense

            There was no name, but in fact you served there and performed special tasks. And this is the strength to perform special tasks of the MTR or Special Forces, call it what you want. By the way, the first mention of special forces is in the bible.
  32. 0
    20 March 2017 16: 01
    Who admits that the enemy is stronger? Such a message - yes, maybe you will turn into a beautiful swan someday, but everywhere we will always be more swan!
  33. +1
    20 March 2017 16: 21
    Quote: svp67
    Yes, yes ... And in Korea, of course, they WASN'T ... Well, where could they come from ...

    There were, of course! But besides feature films, such significant operations as in Vietnam were not in the press. As was not the case in the Second Vietnam War. But already with China in 1979. And who defeated the Chinese, who are ten times better than the Vietnamese, is also silence. The truth is there we still had losses. My friend was wounded there.
  34. 0
    20 March 2017 18: 39
    Praise the Almighty that we don’t even have the likeness of their “Delta” - a parody of special forces, which in the states themselves are called “doomed to defeat.
    1. +1
      20 March 2017 18: 59
      The US MTR unit, which we call Delta, is a very unique unit, and it is totally classified ... These people do not storm, and conduct such operations on the battlefield ... they mainly deal with elements of psychological warfare, and work autonomously as special services with recruitment, with appearances, passwords ... with all the inherent elements of operational work ... You can’t find a fighter under the age of 40 ...
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    +1
    20 March 2017 22: 23


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  36. 0
    20 March 2017 23: 20
    ATVs have long been producing their own, even 6-wheel ones. So it is with snowmobiles. See Military Acceptance
  37. 0
    21 March 2017 12: 30
    Well, generally it’s not worth it to pay attention to such scribblers. They are morally flawed people with a sick pride ... But in the entire post-war history, the American special services and the so-called MTR detachments did not carry out any significant operation without failures.
    And the story with the Crimea is simply an unattainable dream and impossible for anyone except the Russians .. Unfortunately, it’s somehow historically that the Russians constantly have to fight and for many generations we have developed some kind of “gene” that wakes up in a difficult situation, the "last nerd" and he turns into a machine for killing super-trained and experienced enemies ...
    and all the successes of American warriors and not only American ones are victories over cardboard enemies from the cinema
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  38. +1
    21 March 2017 13: 41
    We recently mounted a video clip by the day of the MTR. It’s about pre-draft training for guys who want to serve in special forces.
  39. +1
    22 March 2017 12: 28
    And our MTRs are then armed with at least teleports, judging from the Crimea.

    Tesca, bravo. Great laugh laughing

    I will certainly be confused, but the Delta are not those brave comrades who have not once crap in Iran during the evacuation of the embassy and in many other places? Even the article, like in VO, was about their "exploits."
    On such a scale, ours is really far from them. I am certainly not an expert, but it seems to me not very good when the special forces are so actively flashed in the media. It seems like everything should be secretive. And here are our ... yeah ... still little experience, little money, and the palmyra freed herself ... oh, these specialist observers ... they would like to comment on baseball matches!
  40. 0
    12 February 2018 08: 45
    If the special unit "Alpha" is group "A", then it is logical that there are others. The second most famous Special Forces unit is Group B, or Pennant. The fates of these two formations are strongly intertwined. There are officers who served both there and there. There were joint operations, for example, the assault on Amin’s palace - then it was the Zenit group. She did not last long. “Zenith” and “Cascade” on August 19, 1981 were merged into group “B” (the official name is the Separate Training Center of the KGB of the USSR).
    One of the first operations was the transportation in 1976 of the Soviet dissident Vladimir Bukovsky to Switzerland and his exchange for L. Corvalan. Despite the nervous situation, everything went well.

    The most high-profile operation, after which the Alpha group began to fear, was the assault on Amin’s palace in Afghanistan in December 1979. With the support of a battalion of paratroopers, two special forces groups broke in under heavy fire and crushed the resistance. Despite the good security training, advantageous position and strength of 250 people, the Alpha Special Forces accomplished its mission, having lost two people during the operation. They were awarded the Order of the Red Banner posthumously.