The victory over the plasma - a new method for communicating with the spacecraft

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Fürchte nicht schwere Arbeit, fürchte leere Reden.

Das ist unmöglich! But they did it. The Germans managed to conquer plasma deafness, dumbness and, probably, blindness to the heap.

Much has been written and debated on TopWar about plasma, hypersound and radio opacity for falling warheads. On the "Plasmostels of the USSR", however, there were also hot battles:
Plasma "stealth" - our response to the American "invisible".
US seeks to accelerate the development of hypersonic weapons.
Warhead: what's inside and how it works after separation from the rocket.
Plasma in military science. Projects and prospects.



Sometimes both articles and battles reached the point of absurdity.


Preface, which will take almost 2 / 3 articles. But it is necessary. No other way.

In the conditions of spacecraft entry into the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds, a huge amount of heat is released, which not only places high demands on thermal loads on the materials of the descent vehicle, but also leads to the formation of plasma around the SKA. This blocks (or rather, distorts) radio signals - as a result, the spacecraft is unable to communicate with its ground stations for several minutes.

The task of ensuring stable radio communications with descending spacecraft is very acute.
The victory over the plasma - a new method for communicating with the spacecraft


The task is also no less urgent in the military aspect: the CWSU of hypersonic missiles and ICBM warheads. For example, for:
3М-22 (“Zircon”) / in the photo demo BrahMos-II, but it is unlikely that 3М-22 will be different.


Object 4202 (Yu-71) (This is how Comrade Korotchenko represents it).


Or as it is presented by the Washington Times:


Radiolocation and radio communication through “such” plasma do not work: the total power of electromagnetic energy losses and radio noise radiation almost completely determine the reduction of the energy potential of the communication radio channel as a whole, increase significantly and predetermine the loss of radio communication on the descent trajectory.



The phenomenon of communication breakdown at the entrance to the atmosphere was discovered during the project “Mercury”, and then the programs “Gemini” and “Apollo”. It manifests itself at a height of decline of about 90 kilometers and to the mark of 40 kilometers - as a result of the rapid heating of the surface of a capsule falling in the atmosphere, a cloud-plasma film forms on its surface, acting as a kind of electromagnetic screen.


The effect is called (not officially) Radio Silence During Fiery Re-Entry.

At the end of film "Apollo-13"In which the failed lunar mission with three astronauts aboard it is presented, the spectators experience tensions related to the entrance of the spacecraft into the earth’s atmosphere. It was at that moment that the connection with the ship was interrupted, and flight operators in Houston America began to nervously smoke in those endlessly long and painful seconds. At this point, the spacecraft enters the atmosphere at the second cosmic velocity, which leads to its environment surrounded by hot ionized air, as a result of which communication with the Earth is interrupted.

To make it clearer, I will present the video of the entry into the atmosphere of SKA Soyuz TMA-13M:


As the most relevant example, the loss of communication and telemetry during test launches of the USAF X-51A Scramjet.


Hu from this "plasma" and where does it come from? I offer homemade preparations:
1. The option proposed by my counterpart, dear zholdosh (Kyrgyz language used - I did not swear, do not need a ban) OPERATOR (spelling and style are preserved):
Do not confuse the gift of God - TOKAMAK with fried eggs, flying at speeds above 5 M (1,5 km / s). Plasma formed around it due to shock dissociation of air molecules...

in the discussion of the article: On the beginning of sea trials of Zircon hypersonic rockets
This is not entirely true, but acceptable. In fact, everything is more complicated.
2. My option (not the fact that this is absolute knowledge):

- "natural" ionization of atmospheric air.


The figure shows the resulting values ​​of the equilibrium electron concentration (electron / cm ^ 3) depending on the altitude and velocity of the spacecraft entering the atmosphere;
-modulation of the entrance to the atmosphere, the angles of pitch and yaw (plasma "fonit" the bottom or fairing, or all of its parts (important for the item marked with *)), depending on the density (height) of the medium, the flow modes of the body gas change;


- shock wave, distance of waste and its form, heat exchange in the boundary layer, influence of whether thermal diffusion (individual components diffuse and enter into chemical reactions or not);


aerodynamic boundary layer serves as a source of energy transmitted to the surface of the apparatus during entry into the atmosphere (movement in it)
-type of thermal protection apparatus (*): heat accumulator or heat protection by ablation of mass (ablation);
during ablation a cocktail is generally obtained, since not only air molecules, but also molecules / atoms (ions, electrons) of heat protection are involved in plasma formation.



Liquid (**), which is obtained by heating and evaporation of the HRC, i.e. a melt of thermal protection flows (literally) over the surface of a hypersonic device (warhead).


photons knock electrons from molecules and atoms of the air and the apparatus itself (its thermal protection).
Yes, yes: at such energies and temperatures, quanta of light rip off electron clouds from the "building blocks" of matter), see [1]


- the magnetohydrodynamic effect on the plasma during hypersonic flow around the body and its effect on the plasma "skin" and heat and mass transfer in the shock and in the boundary layer [2];



- electrified bodies, induced electric fields *** on charges and even electrolysis (see **);


examples:
+ electrolyte and charge migration from the anode to the cathode;
+ a ball that sticks to the wall, if you rub it on the scalp (if bald, you can rub it on someone else's). And the wall is not electrified, it is neutral. However, "sticks"!

My son comes running home and says:
I want to show you the focus.

He takes a piece of paper, tears it into small pieces, pulls out his pen and rubs against his hair.
And then what happened, I think you guessed it ...
- discharges in supersonic flow;

and much more.

Perhaps I will finish and return to our "sheep". Which option to choose (operator or mine) - decide for yourself.
Remember only this picture *** (it is useful):


What is this harmful plasma interferes with radio waves and radar?


After all, plasma is seemingly "ionized quasineutral gas"! Gas, but not the gas.
- the antenna, simply speaking, is burning, and the antenna window (AO) can also burn through or change its dielectric constant.

We look at antennas SKA "East". All of these antennae will simply burn, starting at a height of 130 km.


- plasma electron density is constantly changing, the dielectric constant of the ionized gas is less than unity and depends on the frequency of oscillations.
- the larger the angle of incidence of the wave on the plasma, the greater the electron density is required for reflection and the greater the reflection occurs.
-phase and group propagation velocity of radio waves. If the operating frequency approaches the natural frequency of the ionized gas (ω → ω0), the group velocity decreases (υгр → 0), and the phase velocity increases sharply (υф → ∞). Wave energy loss.
- the total speed of the electron motion is the sum of the speed of the thermal motion uт and the speed acquired under the action of the electric field of the passing wave uЕ, and usually uт> uЕ.
If someone, after reading this poem, didn’t run to sign up for the “Teacher of Applied Physics” courses ... So, I wasted my time and your time in vain.

There have been several attempts to solve this problem:
1. Soviet approach (implemented).
- Low-directional microwave emitters of on-board antennas with heated heat shielding and material melt on thermal protection.
- On-board antennas with thermal protection, the original design of which has a reduced sensitivity of its radio transparency to the effects of high-temperature aerodynamic heating.
- Methods of radio lighting AO for the conditions of aerodynamic heating, providing a reduction of losses in the heated AO.
- The use of "long" heat-resistant antennas taken out of the plasma membrane film.
—Increased EFFICIENCY OF THE OPERATION RADIO ENGINEERING COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS OF RETURNED SPACE APPARATUS
- Due to the imposition of a constant electric field on the radiating surface of an AO, in this case there occurs a redistribution of charge in the melt on the surface of thermal protection, which leads to a decrease in losses in it, and hence to the enlightenment of the AO.
- Due to the supply of refrigerant through the porous heat shield to its surface, this results in a decrease in the temperature of the radiating surface of the AO to a temperature below the melting point.
-And also passive principle- it is the construction of heat protection from the combination of materials with different melting points, which leads to a redistribution of the temperature field over the surface of the heat protection and provides increased radio transparency on the SKA (warhead) part.

But the problem of passing an EMW (without loss and distortion) through such a "restless" plasma remains. And it is important not only for the SKA, but also at the launch of rockets and launch vehicles. RD torch - the same powerful plasma generator.


Telemetry is needed (the PMU always wants to know “What, Where, When?”), And radio control is used by many.

I will not upload photos and drawings here for obvious reasons, just to give one example: the 53Т6 interceptor (SH-08 / ABM-3A GAZELLE, Gazelle) PRO Am-135 "Amur".


The radio command control system, the defendant and the autopilot on board, the transfer of guidance commands and other commands occurs via the command transfer station (SEC) channel.
Antenna receiver commands and the respondent are located in pairs on 2 pcs. on the body of the rocket, the shielding of the antennas from the plasma arising from the flight of the rocket in the atmosphere occurs by the injection of freon or a liquid similar in its properties.


However, the OPERATOR again said better and clearer to me (style and spelling preserved):
Freon jet forms a gas non-plasma channel to maintain the radio command line between the point of guidance and the rocket. In the event of a missile leaving the radio horizon, it drops speed to 5M to ensure homing with on-board radar
.

2. Chinese approach (draft)


- Amplification of the signal, which can be created by resonance, or coordinated electromagnetic oscillations, between the plasma shell and the surrounding, aircraft, a special layer. Scientists of the Celestial Empire propose to add a “matching layer” to create the necessary resonant conditions during a normal hypersonic flight.

It is assumed that the matching layer will work as a capacitor in a conventional electrical circuit. The plasma shell, on the other hand, acts as an inductor that prevents changes in the electrical current passing through it. When the capacitor and the inductor are connected together, they can form a resonant circuit.
As soon as resonance is reached, the energy will begin to circulate stably between the plasma and the matching layer, as in the case of conventional capacitance and inductance in an electrical circuit. As a result, the incoming radio signal from the Earth can spread through the matching layer and the plasma envelope, as if they do not exist.

The Chinese are tormented by similar problems as Houston:


Note: for effective operation of this approach, the thickness of the matching layer and the plasma shell must be less than the length of the electromagnetic waves used for communication with the aircraft. As a consequence: the proposed method will not workif the frequency range of the antennas is too high (as currently).

3. American approach
In the era of the Space Shuttle, the problem was partially solved using the reusable craft form. Its aerodynamic design gave rise to areas with a lower plasma flow density, which allows limited communication: the descent module - PCO in some parts of the trajectory.


Note: factors such as the angle of entry of the descent vehicle into the atmosphere, its speed (usually Mach 20-25), and its aerodynamic shape affect the density of the flow of ionized gas.

Again, I propose to watch the video: NASA Shuttle Endeavor Re-Entry Video (good recording):


Well, by "sly" we finally got to the most important thing for which this article was written:

4. Teutonic approach
The German Aerospace Center (Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt; DLR) together with researchers from Stanford University (Stanford University in California) conducted at the beginning of 2016 fairly successful tests of the technology, which in the future will save astronauts from a communication breakdown when entering the atmosphere and may provide for the operation of on-board GOS locators for hypersonic missiles or warheads.



What did these heirs do Heinrich Hertz?
They combined the Soviet and Chinese approaches 2 to 1 (as shampoo and rinse), with their know-how.

In January, 2016, a joint startup conducted experiments with positive results.
A wind tunnel of supersonic and hyper-sound technologies was used for the tests. Department of DLR at the Institute of Aerodynamics and Technology Flow in Cologne and arc heater high power to create a plasma.


The actual test conditions were recreated based on the mathematical models of American scientists from Stanford University, led by Siddarth Krishnamoorthy. A test device (simulator of a descent vehicle) consisting of a heat shield and a transmitting heat-resistant radio device (transmitter) was exposed to a plasma stream heated to several thousand degrees.



An antenna for receiving radio signals was installed outside the hot gas stream.


The essence of the idea: in the immediate vicinity of the transmitter antenna, a negative field (minus) is generated, which repels the ionized plasma flow (negative ions and electrons). The result is a window in the plasma cocoon for transmitting and receiving radio signals.
The field is generated like this (this is a scheme from another product, but the essence is the same):


You can also use a capacitor, when it is charged with direct current, a positive charge appears on one of the plates, a negative charge appears on the other:


This window cannot exist open for a long time, because:
- The plasma film is not stationary relative to the object due to the high flow rates and other thermo-gas-dynamic processes described above:


“There are positively charged ions in the plasma, which with great pleasure will be attracted to the negative field generator.


The behavior of ions and electrons (the picture is not from this process, but perfectly explains the phenomenon):


Therefore, the field is pulsed, the voltage is generated with a frequency of every few milliseconds.
This interval is sufficient to ensure the transmission and reception of data.

From the photos it can be seen that the thoughtful Germans do not create AO on the head fairing or in the tail of the aircraft, and pick in the "thinnest" place: perpendicular to the longitudinal axis of the device somewhere on 1 / 3 from the beginning of the body.

I haven’t received any answers from them yet (but I received an invitation to visit and “talk heart to heart over a glass of tea” on this topic), but I can assume the following:
1. At this point, the thinnest layer of the plasma "skin".
2. Trying to break through the plasma on the very fairing (end) - is meaningless. There is not enough strength or health. There is the most terrible place: shock waves, ions (protons) and electrons are born, ablation goes on, HRC turns into liquid, which partially evaporates, partially flows further (in its liquid matters).
In general: anomaly, and continuous.
Again I will quote the Operator that I really liked:
Do not confuse the gift of God - TOKAMAK with fried eggs, flying at speeds above 5 M (1,5 km / s)

3. In the tail of the SA (at the butt end) it is also meaningless: there is a very long trace-tail.


Bottom vacuum, mix of turbulent-laminar flow, tearing, collapsing. Plasma cavitation in one word: something like washing clothes in a washing machine during its maximum burbulization.
Here, only my assumptions based on (**), (***) and the postulates above, where I nudil about the properties of the plasma: plasma (ions and electrons) is generated on the fairing (terminations), then the ions as heavy and, probably, due to the electrification of the skin of the apparatus or the electrolyte from the ablative isolation, or due to the gas-dynamic pressure of the medium, they migrate to the tail of the SKA.

And electrons, as more nimble and light, and probably due to electrification of the skin, like those cunning migrants in the EEC, occupy "warm" places along the body of the apparatus.
At the same time, the plasma (cocoon around the apparatus) as a whole remains neutral and, of course, "quasi".

In this "weakest link", the Germans use their negative gun by punching the antenna window in the plasma layer (well, like our freon injection on 53Т6). As soon as the potential changes strongly, ions with a positive charge running from the "front end" tend to fill this window, to a negative field and do not want to exfiltrate naturally into the bottom area (into the burbulyator), the window collapses, the field turns off, everything returns to stability and rest . Next impulse.

Until now, the radio communication method through the plasma shell using a pulsed electric field was developed only in numerical simulation.
Americans and us, and:





Note I am very sorry that we did not muddied this topic with the Germans.
They murdered us (the Stuttgart Institute for the Study of Design and Design Technology and the German Aerospace Center) with the EXEPRET project. But traded on the Americans .....

Krishnamurti himself impressed with the simplicity and speed of cooperation:
After three months, we had the opportunity to test our methodology in practice and at the same time obtained the available data and developments from the DLR in this area.


Ali Gulhan, Head of Supersonic and Hypersonic Technology, has an equally positive view:
Collaboration between the DLR and Stanford University is an ideal basis for solving the problem of communication failure with the descent capsule.


Radio communication technology will be further improved and adapted for use not only in new, but also in existing spacecraft.

By my ugly character, I will not restrain myself and throwing a pebble (or rather a whole grid of cobblestones for a couple of pudikas) in their direction:
Why are the Americans climbed to the Germans? I will explain.
1. VAT in Germany 19%, in America it is not. JiсIt is cheaper in the states, and there are still all sorts of taxes. And the euro is still more expensive than $. Computational capabilities of USA are not comparable with German ones.
Everything: big mage, gasoline, accommodation and food - cheaper in the US, significantly.
And transportation costs? Shook across the Atlantic!
2. Wind tunnels in the United States just heaps, including manipulating hypersound.


Any color and size.


3.Germany, in general, is not a leader in spacecraft, space communications and hypersonic weapons.
"I am again tormented by vague doubts"

If what has been achieved to be realized, then the problem of communication with the descent vehicle, reusable shuttle (MKTS), the launching rocket is solved (no matter the RN or a radio-guided missile interceptor).
And what are the broad prospects for ARGS 3М-22 (“Zircon”) and / or 4202 Object (U-71)?

Yes, it will not be a typical RLGSN, but let's say a SIDE REVIEW RLS with APERTURE SYNTHESIS:


What a great opportunity to tie the flight path to the terrain (analogs of TERCOM / DSMAC)!
And the transfer of data on the new target (target designation / redirection for RCC)?


Or a signal to retake the target or self-destruct the combat unit?


Afterword:
- All data I have taken from open sources, i.e. no need to run anywhere and report to anyone.
- Regarding the discussion with NEXUS about the Soviet Stealth sucked from the book "The broken sword of the empire" M. Kalashnikov, I would like to separately obmusolit the question of the Tu-160 ...
But! But Sergey Ivanovich (SSI) is still silent, but I would not want to fall under the distribution.
- Voyaka uh, corporal and the rest, you excuse me, but to break this article, as you recommended to me in
Rocket Fuel SagaIt seemed to me politically incorrect. The meaning and "connection of generations" is lost, so to speak.
“Hopefully, at least someone has passed his time over a bottle of tea and probably got something useful.”


Some terms

Original sources, as well as used documents, photos and videos:
-Improve the efficiency of the operation of onboard radio-technical communication systems of descent cosmic vehicles (thesis and author's abstract on HAC 05.12.07, Candidate of Technical Sciences Cordero, Liborio)
[1] "Kinetic theory of plasma and gas. Interaction of high-power laser pulses with a plasma", 2006, Kosyrev I.N.
[2] EXPERIMENTAL INVESTIGATION OF LOCAL MAGNETIC AND HYDRODYNAMIC EXPOSURE
ON SHOCK-WAVE STRUCTURE OF THE AIR FLOW UNDER THE HYPERSOUND CIRCUIT OF THE BODY, Yadrenkin MA
Numerical simulation of plasma on supercomputer systems,
Author S. I. Bastrakov, A. A. Gonoskov, R. V. Donchenko, E. S. Efimenko, A. V. Korzhimanov, I. B. Meerov
Das Ende der Funkstille - Windkanaltests simulieren neue Methode zur Kommunikation von Raumfahrzeugen
Abteilung „Über- und Hyperschalltechnologien“ (AS-HYP)
Versenden Drucken Institut für Aerodynamik und Strömungstechnik (IAS)
"Supersonic plasma aerodynamics" Department of Physical Electronics. Phys.
Martin J. Entrance to the atmosphere. Introduction to theory and practice / J. Martin. - M.: World, 1969.
"Spacecraft descent and thermal protection of spacecraft" (www.forums.airbase.ru)
The propagation of radio waves. Training manual for radio. specialist. universities. Ed. 2, pererabot. and add. M., "Higher School", 1975. Grudinskaya G. P.
Materials Stanford University (Stanford University)
Materials of the German Aerospace Center (DLR)
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  1. +11
    12 March 2017 07: 26
    I hope at least someone passed their time over a bottle of tea and maybe got something useful.
    Yes, and I realized that the new need to sit down for textbooks. “A bottle of“ iced tea ”will not help here. Thanks Anton, you start to make you think and remember what you studied 40 years ago.
    1. +3
      12 March 2017 18: 39
      Quote: Amurets
      Yes, and I realized that the new need to sit down for textbooks

      How about me?
      I met an interesting person.
      Hooked on the topic of AST (Automated system for tests) - a program designed to test other software.
      He is a developer.
      I'm going to study
      java-development for QA sphere
      1. +5
        12 March 2017 22: 41
        Quote article:
        By my ugly character, I will not restrain myself and throwing a pebble (or rather a whole grid of cobblestones for a couple of pudikas) in their direction:
        ... I will support ... asking a nasty question ... but in what environment was this experiment of the "Teutonic alchemists" taking place? ... equilibrium or nonequilibrium chemically active, that is, the conditions of a real atmosphere ... because, if it is a sterile equilibrium medium, even with supersonic flow around, then they have not discovered anything new ... this is already known more than 30 years ago ... and, to Anton Batkovich, definitely a plus, although I can sometimes argue with him, but this is a pleasant experience and useful ... hi
        1. +2
          13 March 2017 16: 54
          Quote: Inok10
          But in what environment did this experiment of the "Teutonic alchemists" take place?

          Wednesday was ordinary air (here they have sticks)
          plasma was created
          Quote: author
          and high power arc heater to create plasma.

          by the similarity theorem (another gas, laser ionization, another molar mass)

          in the near future they will test the technology on the lander, and it seems to me that it will be Dragon
          1. +3
            16 March 2017 17: 43
            Quote: opus
            by the similarity theorem (another gas, laser ionization, another molar mass)

            ... yes, everything seems to be so ... it’s not for nothing that you are Anton Batkovich ... you spent 2/3 of the article on the basics of plasma aerodynamics ... there really is one more point not mentioned, but very important - the transitional area, the same a gas-plasma non-equilibrium chemically active medium, which even has certain electromagnetic characteristics ... a shock wave ... and with its arrival everything changes both the temperature and pressure and the density and magnetic characteristics of the medium ... and it has no laminar (smooth) flow properties ... good luck to our “Teutonic alchemists” in their not an easy experiment ... wink
            Quote: opus
            in the near future they will test the technology on the lander, and it seems to me that it will be Dragon

            ... I think faster in 2020 they will try on the X-51 as below said Operator at 5-7 M speed ... in general there will be a day and there will be food ... hi
    2. 0
      29 December 2019 01: 21
      Horror! Complete ignorance by the author of physics! Even on material from the Internet, can not give a technically competent comment ...
  2. +3
    12 March 2017 07: 48
    Now, when the astronauts take off, they sit in a small, tight capsule (UNION?).
    After all, after take-off, they dock to the station only after two days (?). I’m interested in how they live there, it’s very hard not to move. And how to go to the toilet, etc. ? Often the crew is of different sexes.
    For some reason, this question is not raised or told anywhere, only about the station.
    1. +6
      12 March 2017 11: 33
      Quote: Rabinovich
      I’m interested in how they live there, it’s very hard not to move. And how to go to the toilet, etc. ?

      After entering orbit, the crew enters the habitable orbital (household) compartment - weight 1,2-1,3 tons, diameter 2,2 m, length (with docking unit) 3,44 m, volume on internal contours of the pressurized hull 6,6 m3, free volume 4 m3 - is used as a working compartment when conducting scientific experiments, for the crew to rest, transfer it to another spacecraft and to enter outer space (acts as a lock chamber). The sealed housing of the orbital compartment made of a magnesium alloy consists of two hemispherical shells with a diameter of 2,2 m connected by a cylindrical insert 0,3 m high. The compartment has two observation windows. There are two hatches in the hull, one of which connects the orbital compartment with the descent vehicle, and the other (diameter “in the light” of 0,64 m) serves to land the crew in the spacecraft at the launching position and to enter space. In the compartment are the control panel, instruments and assemblies of the main and auxiliary systems of the ship, household equipment, scientific equipment. The life support system includes blocks for the regeneration of the atmosphere of the descent vehicle and the orbital compartment (the Earth’s air is close in composition) and temperature control, food and water supplies, and a sanitary-sanitary device.
      1. +2
        12 March 2017 11: 59
        Thank you, it turns out there is still room. I thought they only sit in a ball - exactly in what then lands. But when the astronauts are shown before take-off, they are sitting right next to each other, and no door to another room can be seen nearby. Here's the video here -
        1. +4
          12 March 2017 12: 13
          Quote: Rabinovich
          and no door to another room is visible next.

          Passageway at the top.
          1. +2
            12 March 2017 12: 26
            Got it. Thanks. It is a pity there is no shooting from space from there, even before docking with the station.
            1. +3
              12 March 2017 12: 33
              Quote: Rabinovich
              It is a pity there is no shooting from space from there, even before docking with the station.

              1. +2
                12 March 2017 12: 35
                I mean when they fly for two days, what they do and so on. From that room.
                It seems that Kubrick has such music in the Space Odyssey smile
                1. +2
                  12 March 2017 12: 52
                  Quote: Rabinovich
                  I mean when they fly for two days, what they do and so on. From that room.
                  It seems that Kubrick has such music in the Space Odyssey

                  1. +1
                    12 March 2017 13: 04
                    Everything is now completely clear. In general, in cramped conditions, but there is everything necessary. You can even retire to the compartment where the toilet is. Everything is thought out.
    2. +1
      12 March 2017 14: 25
      They are given enemas before the flight, and then they put on diapers ... drinks
    3. 0
      18 October 2017 22: 20
      Quote: Rabinovich
      Now, when the astronauts take off, they sit in a small, tight capsule (UNION?).
      After all, after take-off, they dock to the station only after two days (?). I’m interested in how they live there, it’s very hard not to move. And how to go to the toilet, etc. ? Often the crew is of different sexes.
      For some reason, this question is not raised or told anywhere, only about the station.

      Because ... Fine-thin ... I understand .. YOU still specify about the moon expeditions, everything is much more interesting there .. But we somehow do not really .. All the moves are recorded .. Break off in one word ..
  3. +1
    12 March 2017 08: 14
    and what kind of source, even if pulsed, will power this radiating gun in a warhead? In my opinion, the Amer approach: using perspective geometry to disrupt plasma flows that behave like ordinary flows is more promising
    1. +2
      12 March 2017 18: 41
      Quote: pimen
      and what is the source, pu

      weak. there is not much needed (about 1 kW to 3 kW).
      Impulse even more so.

      And the source is BIP. The turbine in the capsule and head easily gives 3-7 kW.
      Small time
  4. +2
    12 March 2017 11: 02
    As a crazy idea. And if you make the falling body not smooth, but having various ridges, protrusions, which could also rotate \ shift relative to the initial position? Indeed, in this case there will be instantaneous disruption of the flows, which will not immediately be filled with plasma, which can lead to the appearance of radio-transparent channels. And drive from the flow itself. Well, that "health" is enough. what
    1. +2
      12 March 2017 12: 07
      probably you mean the "easy swaying" of the whole structure, or the short, cyclic rotations of it around the longitudinal axis
      1. +2
        12 March 2017 12: 35
        Quote: pimen
        its cyclic rotations around the longitudinal axis

        Yes. Yes
    2. +4
      12 March 2017 18: 46
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      As a crazy idea. BUT

      nothing will change
      1. Meteorites and asteroids with crests and slabs and not bodies of revolution, but blocks, as it came off



      the plasma will always be, and the aerodynamics and heat transfer will deteriorate, burn out
      2.
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      rotate

      You can’t “rotate”, “rotate” at such speeds: it can tear to pieces
      Well, if you rotate, then FIG contact DND will leave the focus of the receiving antenna
      1. +1
        12 March 2017 20: 19
        Quote: opus
        You can’t “rotate”, “rotate” at such speeds: it can tear to pieces

        type - and you can maneuver ... No?
        1. +2
          12 March 2017 20: 48
          Quote: pimen
          and you can maneuver ... No?

          it is possible, but these are oscillations along the flight axis (insignificant) -vectors of speed, with a minimum change in pitch and roll angle.
          Well, there will be time I will describe the feeling of a warhead during the passage of the missile defense competence
    3. +2
      12 March 2017 20: 04
      This is not a crazy idea. Why a golf ball became the basis of the idea for a jumping mine which the British destroyed the hydro dam. . Moreover, to harmonize the interaction of air and the surface of the outflow, there is even a special film with such conical recesses. Why conical? Everything is very simple . So, congratulations your idea is not completely meaningless. It is only a pity that those who are involved in this issue are not able to justify this process, and in fact it contains the mechanism of ionization of the discharge surface
      1. +2
        12 March 2017 21: 32
        Quote: gridasov
        for a jumping mine which the British destroyed a hydro dam

        maybe the bombs still?
        bouncing bomb

        and can a pancake effect, but not a "ping pong"?

        odd you bring comrade
        Quote: gridasov
        So, congratulations your idea is not completely meaningless.

        I demand a calculation of the effect of aerodynamic and centrifugal forces on a body moving in a medium at speeds from 3 to 5 km / s
        I give a tattoo M-50 Flurried
  5. +4
    12 March 2017 11: 48
    Did I understand correctly?:
    1) A coil-generator of a magnetic field is thrust into a hypersonic Raman.
    2) When it is cut, it deflects (electrically) the plasma layer from the rocket body
    in a narrow area.
    3) Radio signals pass through the “hole” - telemetry.
    4) you can work only on-off pulses.
    1. +2
      12 March 2017 18: 52
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Did I understand correctly?:

      nearly. preferably without a magnetic field (but of course it will always be)
      here

      picture of the flow around the same cone with a superimposed magnetic field (the field lines of the field are shown by arrows; the field is formed by a solenoid coil inside the cone). The frontal resistance of the cone increased, the heat transfer to it decreased.

      SIMPLY negative potential on the outer skin (or under the EM permeable area of ​​thermal protection)

      Quote: voyaka uh
      it deflects (electrically) the plasma layer from the rocket body
      in a narrow area.

      they run away, freeing bodies of revolution (almost) in the form of a truncated cone, above the antenna window

      Quote: voyaka uh
      you can work only on-off pulses.

      Yes. Ions begin to gravitate and creep to the negative field
      1. +3
        12 March 2017 20: 06
        In the figure, magnetic field lines are completely incorrectly indicated. Hence the difficulty in solving the problem.
        1. +3
          12 March 2017 20: 46
          Quote: gridasov
          In the figure, magnetic field lines are completely incorrectly indicated.

          portray correctly.
          maybe I was wrong, then I'll fix it
          I was kicked out of plasma for a long time.
          1. +1
            12 March 2017 22: 35
            But if the cone vector changes. then certainly not. Think! This is the first. Secondly, the calculation of magnetic force fluxes in a combination of longitudinal vectors, spin and rolling moments for solids, and for moving processes of eversion, etc. is extremely important for me to speak so openly about this. By the way, I noticed long ago that you work great with a computer, but in individual reasoning you make “inaccuracies”.
            Let me ask, what does it mean they kicked out of plasma?
            1. +3
              12 March 2017 23: 36
              Quote: gridasov
              But if the cone vector changes. then certainly not so

              this is generally EXPERIMENTAL data
              Quote: gridasov
              Let me ask, what does it mean they kicked out of plasma?

              so that I don’t spoil her karma with longitudinal vectors
  6. +6
    12 March 2017 11: 58
    The German method is only suitable for atmospheric hypersonic aircraft (5 - 7 M) with a fuel-cooled skin.

    For the spacecraft launching capsules and ICBM warheads, this method is not operational due to high speeds (up to 20 M), greater plasma formation, and, most importantly, additional presence of ablation coating particles in the plasma used for cooling.

    The height of plasma formation during ballistic descent of an ICBM ballistic missile is the smallest in comparison with reusable shuttles and disposable capsules due to the orientation of the BB with the sharp part in the stream - the speed decreases to 5 M (if at all) several seconds before it hits the target, which is not enough perform maneuvers to bring the BB to the target according to the airborne radar.

    Therefore, warheads with the Strategic Missile Forces are used on no more than medium-range missiles such as Pershing 2 or Chinese anti-ship missiles, whose warheads manage to free themselves from the plasma cloud several tens of seconds before hitting the target.

    PS Most likely, the Russian side was the initiator of the severance of relations with the Germans after confirming the operability of the method under consideration for hypersonic cruise missiles bully
    1. +3
      12 March 2017 18: 58
      Quote: Operator
      For the spacecraft launching capsules and ICBM warheads, this method is not operational due to high speeds (up to 20 M), greater plasma formation, and, most importantly, additional presence of ablation coating particles in the plasma used for cooling.


      Ablation coating is at all withlaunch vehicles






      Quote: Operator
      The height of completion of plasma formation during ballistic descent of the BB ICBM is the smallest in comparison with

      from 150 to 20 km.

      It all depends on the angle of entry, and the missile defense program.
      They brake to 3,2 km / s (minuteman 3)

      radio communication, radio location are always needed:
      retargeting, self-liquidation team, binding (CVO), etc.
      and for flat trajectories all the more
      1. +2
        12 March 2017 20: 09
        Well, why is everything done the other way around. The surface of the aircraft must not be cooled, but rather activate its ionization, but redistribute the magnetic force processes! REDISTRIBUTE!!! This compensates and regulates the contact potential of the surfaces of the expiration and the external environment. Because its density always changes
        1. +4
          12 March 2017 20: 26
          Quote: gridasov
          REDISTRIBUTE!!!


          DIPOLIZATION OF MAGNETIC POWER SCHOL?
          and how to do this, you are our ionizer!
          1. +1
            12 March 2017 22: 36
            Simple and cheap!
      2. +2
        12 March 2017 20: 23
        I talked about the absence of ablation coating only in hypersonic Raman systems, the casing of which is cooled by fuel.

        The height of the end of plasma formation during the ballistic descent of the apparatus depends not only on its speed and angle of entry into the atmosphere (from 45 degrees when shooting at maximum range and up to 30 degrees when shooting at minimum range - in fact, from the length of the stopping distance in the atmosphere), but also from the forms of the apparatus are a sphere (Vostok), a cone against the flow (Soyuz), a cylinder with a skirt (Pershing 2 warhead), a cone downstream (BB ICBM).

        Modern AP ICBMs in the form of a cone downstream when firing at maximum range fly in a plasma cloud to the very ground (M> 5, to make interception difficult)

        1. +2
          12 March 2017 20: 29
          Quote: Operator
          I talked about the lack of ablation coverage only in hypersonic Raman scans.


          and they are GPPKR?
          I did not see.
          But, if they start to produce, 100% will be.
          no other way
          Quote: Operator
          not only depends

          temperature and humidity, air density (on Mars, everything’s completely different), I described how plasma appears on SKA (or BG). Or is it nevertheless closer to the body option No. 1 proposed by the OPERATOR?
          Quote: Operator
          plasma cloud to the very earth (M> 5,

          BB Minuteman 3 has 3,2 km / s before undermining
          1. +1
            12 March 2017 22: 42
            What kind of Minuteman's combat unit are we talking about: with a charge of W56 (1,2 Mt), W78 (350 Mt) or W87 (457 Mt)?
            1. +1
              12 March 2017 23: 14
              Quote: Operator
              What kind of war block

              The available information about the Minuteman-3 flight data relates to its modification, which was equipped with three W78 warheads of 335 Kt, with individual targeting.
              W87-1 was supposed to be even more nimble, but it was officially "dug up"
    2. +1
      12 March 2017 23: 29
      Quote: Operator
      ICBM warheads this method is not operational due to high speeds (up to 20 M), greater plasma formation and, most importantly, the additional presence of ablative coating particles in the plasma used for cooling

      need to tell this Mk 5 Re Entry Vehicle RV

      or better, the prototype Version of the Mk-2 RV.


      He’s generally a poor fellow with an antenna ...
      1. 0
        12 March 2017 23: 40
        And sho, does his antenna still work in plasma and even during ablation? laughing
        1. +1
          13 March 2017 00: 05
          [quote = Operator] And sho, its antenna still works in plasma [/ quote]
          Yes, they just dragged her for beauty



          [quote = gridasov] For example, in supersonic flight, the flight object becomes itself an emitter of energy and mean wave propagation cone on Wednesday has a completely different orientation. Therefore, it arises polarization of the head and ionized medium.[/ thumb]
          he immediately realized that he’s smart
          1. 0
            13 March 2017 00: 22
            Yoshkinu cat - in supersonic air is not ionized laughing

            German experimental hypersonic returning maneuvering vehicle, developed as part of the European Space Agency's EXPERT (EXPEremental Reentry Tested) project

            PS Hypersonic LA Yu-71 steers laughing
            1. 0
              13 March 2017 00: 41
              Freitag, 28. September 2012 - 09: 40 Uhr
              Raumfahrt - ESA entwickelt Re-Entry-Kapsel EXPERT

              TOURS, France - The European Space Agency remains on the hunt for an alternate method of launching the Experimental Re-Entry Testbed (Expert) following the withdrawal of Russia, which was due to launch the vehicle from a submarine earlier this year.
              Expert is a ballistic flight re-entry demonstrator that, along with a follow-on Intermediate Experimental Vehicle (IXV), is designed to pave the way for a European reusable space plane. The 450-kg (1,000-lb.) Expert was originally due to be launched in late 2010 on a modified Volna ICBM from a Russian submarine in the eastern Pacific.
              The missile would have reached an apogee of 100 km (60 mi.) To 120 km, giving the vehicle a re-entry velocity of 5 km / sec., Which was sufficient to help ESA acquire aerothermodynamics data for the validation of models and codes . The payload was due to be recovered by a parachute landing in the Kamchatka peninsula of eastern Russia.
              Disclosing news of the ongoing search at the AIAA and French AAAF Space Planes and Hypersonics conference here, Laurent Serre of the French national research agency Onera says “the Expert capsule is ready for flight. Russia was supposed to launch it but announced it would be canceled. So ESA is looking for alternative to launch and the Expert is stored. ”
              The European atmospheric-re-entry capsule has been in development for 10 years as part of a € 50 million ($ 64 million) research effort. The 1.6-meter long vehicle is configured with 150 different sensors, as well as test materials for the unmanned, lifting-body IXV. This vehicle is scheduled for launch in 2014 from Kourou, French Guiana, aboard ESA's new Vega small-satellite launcher.
              Expert had already been delayed several times and appeared to be on track for a launch in mid-2012 when the Russian defense ministry withdrew its offer to provide launch services. The original launch contract between ESA and Russian Makeyev State Rocket Center was valued at around € 2 million when announced in December 2009.
              Work on the IXV, meanwhile, continues toward a planned preflight review scheduled for mid-2014 for both the ground segment and flight vehicle. The IXV, also being developed by a program led by Thales Alenia Space as prime contractor, is due to be launched around the third quarter of 2014.
              The IXV will be used to validate large cross-range and precision landing capabilities from low Earth orbit and is due to be recovered by parachute for a water landing in the mid-Pacific.



            2. +1
              13 March 2017 12: 42
              Quote: Operator
              Yoshkinu cat - in supersonic air is not ionized

              “And today, not everyone can watch in GIPERSVUK. Rather, not only everyone can watch, few can do this (hypersound) ”

              Operator you are inattentive and not well-read
              1. "In aerodynamics, a hypersonic speed is one that is highly supersonic. "


              2. I will (personally) make plasma for you both in supersonic, without hyper) and in subsonic.
              as the Germans did


              3. And in still air I’ll do it (I’ll knock out electrons from atoms, gas molecules with a laser)




              Quote: Operator
              German experimental hypersonic returning maneuvering device developed under the EXPERT project (

              it is described in my article
              Underwater launch systems: how to get out of the water into orbit or into space?

              1. +1
                13 March 2017 13: 38
                Maybe, of course, I’m not well-read in English-speaking aerodynamics, but in our condo, there’s something in Petru (at least I distinguish between super and hyper). That's just what I was wondering where it came from, that the “Zircon” is hypersonic KR, but it’s all right, Mikhalych laughing

                But seriously, the antenna on your returning device is needed to transmit telemetry before and after the portion of the flight path with plasma formation.

                The German EXPERT descent capsule (mentioned in your article), launched by the Russian Volna launch vehicle, may well be considered as an object for working out the German microwave generator to provide communication through the plasma cloud - see the flat side faces of the capsule. To emphasize this conjecture, I cited materials on EXPERT.

                But this is all particular: the military is more interested in radar through plasma for homing at the target of maneuvering warheads, and in this case, side radar is indispensable. How to break through the plasma in the nasal shock of the air seal in front of the HRGS (plus ablation coating) - this is the problem.
                1. +1
                  13 March 2017 13: 57
                  Quote: Operator
                  but in our, condo, to

                  our "condominium" uses foreign words, this is №1
                  I cited the specified document and declassified work NOT OUR "code", incl. "Petru" doesn’t channel here, this is No. 2

                  hypersound is the same "supersound" and there is no need to "la-la" push "this is No. 3

                  "often" does not always mean. They have not decided yet. It is more correct to use the "thermal barrier"
                  mk



                  Quote: Operator
                  una for telemetry before and after

                  so what? up and not on the ground).
                  Someone denied?
                  otherwise why the hell are those tricks that I described in the article?
                  Quote: Operator
                  Russian LV "Volna", may well be considered as an object for testing the German microwave generator

                  I pointed this out in this article ("It is a pity that they threw us", well, or we)
                  for some reason censorship removed it ...
                  1. 0
                    13 March 2017 14: 31
                    "Above" is the Russian word.

                    "The task is no less relevant in the military aspect: the Strategic Missile Forces of hypersonic missiles and ICBM warheads. For example, for: 3М-22 (Zircon) / in the photo demo-model BrahMos-II, but it is unlikely that the 3M-22 will be different," - in your photo under the nose of the rocket on the stand it is written not on our "supersonic" laughing
                    1. +1
                      13 March 2017 15: 28
                      Quote: Operator
                      "Above" is the Russian word.

                      а synonym him the word "hyper"


                      Quote: Operator
                      by not our "supersonic

                      this photo is not mine.
                      and BrahMos-II in Russian?
                      but other?
                      And I repeat, “hyper” is fiction, convention, hypersound is the same super sound
                      1. 0
                        13 March 2017 16: 00
                        The synonym for "super" is super.

                        In engineering, there is a fundamental difference, it’s the border (5 M) between supersonic and hypersonic high-speed flight modes:

                        for cruise missiles - when flying at supersonic speed, the gas flow velocity in the combustion chamber of an air-jet engine is subsonic, when flying at hypersonic speed - supersonic;

                        for descent vehicles and warheads - when flying at supersonic speed, plasma formation does not occur, when flying at hypersonic speed - occurs.
  7. +3
    12 March 2017 13: 30
    It is worth noting that it is not the fault of the author of the article itself, but it contains a complex of such crucial points that are far from being truthful or rather truthful. For example, in supersonic flight, the flight object itself becomes an energy emitter and, therefore, the cone of propagation of wave processes into the medium has a completely different direction. Therefore, polarization of the head and ionized medium occurs.
    It is ridiculous to see how in a wind tunnel with propellers they simulate the blowing of the so-called ultramodern aircraft. And someone after that thinks that in real flight there will be the same predicted effects.
    1. +2
      12 March 2017 19: 47
      Quote: gridasov
      the onus of the propagation of wave processes into the medium has a completely different orientation.

      vector FORGOTTEN !!!

      Quote: gridasov
      It is ridiculous to see how in a wind tunnel with propellers they simulate the blowing of the so-called ultra-modern aircraft.

      And if you think a bit?

      ----------------
      What about a diffuser?
      and if you think about and instead of air (similarity) take gas (a medium with a different density)?
      and if with a different temperature?





      gridasov, gridasov ....
      For a long time did not update the software for the bot program?
      1. +2
        12 March 2017 19: 57
        I agree! I just didn’t bother finding a solution because it exists in a simpler form.
        One can not even speak about the cone vector since the sharp end of the aircraft hull forms a mirror image of the magnetic force flows.
        1. +2
          12 March 2017 20: 19
          Quote: gridasov
          I just didn’t bother looking

          Yes, this decision 100 years in the afternoon.
          ICBM "Gnome" on ramjet

          when he was tested in a pipe and the brain was taken out to everyone in the district
          Quote: gridasov
          You can’t even talk about the cone vector


          Have you downloaded the latest software update?
          1. +2
            12 March 2017 20: 26
            It may not surprise you, but I use the computer only as an amateur. My brain is not able to comprehend the algorithms of its operation. For me, this is a source of information, but not as an analysis. In addition, comp. it is a source of distorted reality.
            1. +2
              12 March 2017 20: 43
              Quote: gridasov
              my brain is not able to comprehend the algorithms of its work.

              Update for the brain download and install - exit the body, phase!


              I am the latest version of rel. installed.
              RECOMMEND.
              Even the cooler does not turn on
              1. +1
                12 March 2017 21: 27
                It was in this state that I began to see and understand what I was talking about. If someone thinks that I sat and composed my "bullshit", then he is mistaken. I now understand the meaninglessness of my situation. I realize that such cardinal knowledge cannot be accepted. However, they are pushing me to a low-key search for like-minded people.
                1. +2
                  12 March 2017 21: 35
                  Quote: gridasov
                  It is in this condition

                  Psilocybe semilanceata?

                  pick up thing
                  The main thing is not to overdo it

                  berserkrY then died out (they did not give offspring)
                  1. +2
                    12 March 2017 22: 39
                    Personally, I respect wise jokes.
  8. +2
    12 March 2017 14: 30
    Ours have long resolved all the problems with supersonic. A professor lived in St. Petersburg, who proposed a method for producing hydrogen on board an aircraft, and use it to cool the surface ... He was slandered and died in the dashing 90s ... wassat
    1. +2
      12 March 2017 18: 59
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Ours have long resolved all the problems with supersonic.

      more in detail.
      Threat. on supersonic plasma does not form
      1. +1
        12 March 2017 20: 13
        Plasma always exists on all bodies. Another thing is that it may not be perceived visually. But it exists at a certain level for any body. Why? Because even the smallest material particle, if it has at least some dimension, is polarization. But this polarization is not calculated or has stable parameters, since it is always in a dynamic process, and therefore the methods of process analysis must be different.
        1. +4
          12 March 2017 20: 23
          Quote: gridasov
          But it exists at a certain level for any body

          blood plasma for example.

          YES?
          1. +2
            12 March 2017 20: 38
            And of course !!! I repeat once again that any material structure has not only the total polarization on the outer surface of the whole body, but also around each structure. This is what I call "local spaces", which consist of structural formations, which then form what we "see." This is a wise and thoughtful expression that ALL AND ALL DETERMINED ITS PLACE AND VALUE. Hence, there is mathematics of such constructions of these interconnections. We are talking about her. "
  9. +1
    12 March 2017 20: 08
    Tell me, where did this phrase come from and who said it?

    "I am Buran, I am Buran, I am reporting on the implementation of orientation mode number one"
    1. +4
      12 March 2017 20: 22
      Quote: Rabinovich
      where did this phrase come from and who said it?

      The UVB-76 shortwave radio station is located in the village of Povarovo, 40 km northwest of Moscow

      It's funny

      For all 28 years of broadcasting, only three cases were recorded when a voice message was broadcast. Each time it was a certain encrypted message in Russian. And on 23 of August 2010 of the year it happened again.
      1. +2
        12 March 2017 20: 32
        What's the catch? Some kind of creepy sounds. What kind of antenna and who is broadcasting there.
        1. +4
          12 March 2017 20: 41
          Quote: Rabinovich
          What kind of antenna and who is broadcasting there.

          I will write off the article later - The Buzze
          1. +3
            12 March 2017 20: 48
            Thanks! Very interesting.
          2. +1
            12 March 2017 22: 56
            You can probably make a mixture of liquid that will cool the body of the hypersonic aircraft over the entire duration of the flight, and make the body itself negatively charged.
            1. +1
              13 March 2017 12: 32
              can a portable cryogenic installation (?) be scored in the Kyrgyz Republic,
              some kind of liquid nitrogen to drive along the shell ...
              What excess weight, and how to feed it (battery?)
              1. 0
                13 March 2017 12: 54
                I meant - spraying liquid onto the surface of a hypersonic aircraft - to cool the body with negatively charged metal particles, create around the device a medium that will prevent the formation of plasma, resistance to movement and heating of the body.
                1. +1
                  13 March 2017 14: 36
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  environment that will prevent the formation of plasma

                  plasma, at certain flow braking speeds, is always formed.
                  And plasma is not only electrons, but also ions and protons)

                  all "+" will run down and stick to the "-"
              2. +2
                13 March 2017 14: 35
                Quote: voyaka uh
                some kind of liquid nitrogen to drive along the shell ...

                this principle was used in aviation (with fuel): Concord, CP-71, but:
                1.Military will not bind cryogenic.
                2. With landers and others that have been in orbit for more than a day, they will not communicate with cryogenic ones (and will not communicate), everywhere there are AT + UDMH (or analogues)
                I explained in the "rocket fuel saga"
                It’s hot in orbit (if not in the shadow of a planetoid), it’s very hot, and there’s no place to dump the heat


                Quote: voyaka uh
                What overweight


                in the museum of RSC Energia, tanks for the “Buran” are exhibited, in which liquid oxygen could be stored for weeks.
                The real tank is small and the walls are thick. The large tank of the painted ship will have a huge surface and the corresponding number of different technological holes. Thermal insulation will make it literally golden in terms of weight and cost.
                1. 0
                  14 March 2017 19: 38
                  Can a laser communication channel be used in a plasma stream?
  10. +2
    13 March 2017 21: 38
    "Fractal microwave electromagnetic gun" is from
    http://edinetcorp.narod.ru/Orujie.htm
    There about the "United Ecumenical Corporation."
    This is for Gridasov. He will understand! laughing But not me. request
    The capacitor has a field inside, not outside. request
    in the immediate vicinity of the transmitter antenna, a negative field (minus) is generated, which repels the ionized plasma flow (negative ions and electrons). The result is a window in the plasma cocoon for transmitting and receiving radio signals.

    If there is a minus, somewhere nearby there should be a plus, and an electric current will simply arise. Nothing will push off from nowhere.
    I haven’t received any answers from them yet (but I received an invitation to visit and “talk heart to heart over a glass of tea” on this topic)

    It’s strange, but who was obliged to blogger Anton to give answers on such special and patent cases?
    In general, I personally did not understand anything.
    As the gloomy Teutonic geniuses say - Auffiderhören.
    1. +1
      13 March 2017 23: 38
      "It’s strange, but who was obliged to blogger Anton to give answers on such special and patent cases?" /////

      I don’t know how, in this particular case, but in general in the West each e-mail and letter is usually politely and carefully examined. They are not required to give a technical answer, but they consider it a form of politeness to thank for the interest shown. No matter who wrote the request.
    2. +1
      14 March 2017 00: 20
      Quote: Falcon5555
      "Fractal microwave electromagnetic gun" is from

      It's written:
      Quote: Author
      (this is a schematic from another product, but the essence is the same):

      And not from there, but from YouTube.
      Well, accept this:

      instead of a screen, an insulated metal plate).
      What has changed?


      Quote: Falcon5555
      The capacitor has a field inside, not outside

      Come on?

      can idealized representation of a flat capacitor field?
      then yes

      but the field of a flat capacitor in reality is different


      The electric field of a flat capacitor is mainly localized between the plates (Fig. 1.6.1); however, near the edges of the plates and in the surrounding area a relatively weak electric field also appears, which is called the scattering field.

      Quote: Falcon5555
      In general, I personally did not understand anything.

      good
      Is this the whole conclusion from my works of the righteous?
      mdyayaya. Discussing with Gridasov more, I got more mind.
      Threat. No one "obliges", and not a "blogger me."
      They decided to answer, m. by the way, to the best of reason, of course.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      but in general, in the West, each e-mail and letter is usually politely and carefully examined. They are not required to give a technical answer, but they consider it a form of politeness to thank for the interest shown.

      It’s immediately obvious that a person wrote, was interested and received an answer
      -------------------------------------------------
      ----------------------------------------
      What does the patent have to do with it?

      I told them my version, the question was?
      1. +2
        14 March 2017 13: 00
        instead of a screen, an insulated metal plate

        And draw?
        Is this the whole conclusion from my works of the righteous?

        Well, yes. Yes
        As my superiors say, you need to work better. sad
    3. 0
      18 March 2017 23: 15
      Polarization exists on any surface. However, it is worth talking not about the field, but about the magnetic flux. Why? A field is an abstract quantity, and a stream has quantitative, geometric, and physical parameters at each of its points. Therefore, it is very important to understand the calculation methodology, or rather the analysis of the space formed not only by static parameters, so to speak, but also by the dynamics and transformation algorithms of these flows. This means that the capacitor has magnetic power flows on all relatively external and internal surfaces. By the way, our methods of analysis of magnetic power processes allow us to consider, conceptually, fundamentally new basic element devices that combine the functions of a capacitor, both capacitance and induction device and its inductance, as well as completely a new device that allows you to control the density of magnetic power flows. This is exactly the device that embodies the principle and concept of energy density.
      It is worth adding that the division into plus and minus is a completely primitive attitude to very multivariate combinations of combinations of interactions of magnetic force processes
      1. 0
        19 March 2017 02: 25
        Gridasov, what do you think of the fractal cannon? (Do not confuse with fecal) stop
        1. 0
          19 March 2017 11: 52
          Fractal structures are considered on the basis of similarity when changing the dimension of these structures. But fractal patterns are also observed in dynamic processes, when processes in their dynamic transformation are noted by similarity. When using NUMBERS in its function of constant value in a matroid or matrix or a scale-invariant structure, it is precisely this new state or property that displays the signs of the movement of numerical flows with fractal signs. I will explain. For example, the matrix structure when using the function of a constant value of a number determines the capacity of such variations or combinations of numbers constructed in an algorithmic relationship, and this capacity has a very large number of such variations, but still a limited number of them. Therefore, when moving to a new structure according to the fractal sign of its construction, but the previous matrix is ​​a component of this new structure, they are separated by entering zeros, which also change according to the algorithm. I will be distracted and remind you that RUBY CUBE has 2.5 billion groups and each 2.5 mppd combinations. This was calculated by the Americans on their super computer. And at the same time, the exact value was not determined. Now imagine that we are positioning a structure with nine numbers, not three. And each number in the system has its own clearly and precisely defined value during any transformation of numerical flows in it. These processes are defined by the concept of fractal dynamic construction. Why they called the fractal gun it is not clear to me. So let's define in terms.
  11. +3
    16 March 2017 13: 38
    I want your opinion, dear opus Hear.hi
    1. +2
      April 6 2017 10: 46
      Quote: Observer2014
      I want your opinion

      oooo
      Ungrateful thing.
      Well, I'll try a thread later.
      Let them shoot it first
  12. Maz
    +3
    16 March 2017 20: 43
    Phew, SWALLOWED, there would be more such articles. Thanks to the author. Very interesting and informative.
  13. Maz
    +1
    16 March 2017 20: 52
    COSMOS unites, it pleases.
  14. 0
    25 December 2021 09: 29
    Well, this has been discussed for a long time. That is, to use modulation to order spontaneous discharges. But as always, a lot of "buts"!
    "But" first: the density of the atmosphere at 100 km and at 10 km is very different. And the fact that it turns out will not work out here :) And any warhead (no matter what it is on), the correction will be carried out as close as possible to the target , that is, in dense layers.
    "But" the second: so, in principle, the signal can be transmitted even probably in denser layers (it all depends on the power of the source). I think that this device takes up a lot of space and requires a decent energy of the object, which practically excludes the possibility of it at such small volumes as Anti-ship missiles and warheads of ICBMs.
    And the most important "but" is that it will only be a transmission (I mean a confident transmission), but reception in such conditions is already incredible. After all, it doesn't take much time to set a packet with coordinates, but you need to have a very stable channel And the signal weakens with distance, and not even proportionally, but abruptly. In such conditions, an error in the transmission of coordinates is guaranteed! That is why all "cruise" missiles with a GPS correction system fly at subsonic level - it is less noticeable, it is easier to transmit data.
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