SUVs are not born ... What to expect from the new UAZ PATRIOT

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UAZ, or "goat" - this, of course, our automotive off-road story. Today it is the only major and real serious car in the country with unique off-road properties. Among the components of the success of the first cars, such as the 469, can be identified ease of maintenance. Probably, then also reliability. Of course, one cannot say that the UAZ never broke, but it was always quite simple and quick to fix it.

The legendary 469 is a lightweight body, gearboxes, so-called military bridges, which gave this car an unprecedented ground clearance, which means that they armed the car with impressive maneuverability. At a time when the country was rebuilt and there were no roads, these machines worked in all weather and heavy road conditions.



Today, these cars are being replaced by other descendant cars. What are they? What to expect from them? How are they being made and are we lagging behind the foreign car industry in the off-road class? Read about this and not only in an exclusive interview with Evgeny Galkin, Director General for Development, Director of the Scientific and Technical Center UAZ LLC.



- Yevgeny Anatolyevich, in general, the “Patriot” in the UAZ line is currently positioned as a crossover or is it a luxury SUV?

- So not just high, but high! It has climate control, heated steering wheel, video camera, multimedia system and navigation. Equipped with parking sensors in a circle. After all, you see, not every modern car in our market, and even more so in this price range can boast the presence of such a set of options. For example, the top updated "Patriot" costs about one million thirty thousand rubles. It will be not only leather interior, but all those nice options that I listed above ...

- Million thirty thousand ... Is it, you consider, inexpensive for a domestic car? What do sales figures mean?

- Just the numbers and speak for themselves. More than half of the cars we sell it in the top configuration. I believe that people are aware that for this money they buy a decently equipped car and this happiness ...

- Well, here are some owners of the “patrik”, I am sure, they would argue with you about the happiness, which, for the money, first of all, ceased to go as muddy as its predecessors for the money. Secondly, the windage of the car has seriously increased ...

- Well, there are several explanations for this. In general, the question of permeability is initially a somewhat philosophical question. The car, of course, became heavier and higher structurally. From here and following nuances. But if you compare the upgraded "Patriot" 2016 of the year with the same "Hunter", then the first one already has a rear differential lock, as well as ESP with the ability to simulate axial locks. This means that in some disciplines "Patriot" "Hunter", if necessary, just surpass.



































- By the way, is “Hunter” a direct and worthy successor to 469?

- Rather, it is still distant relatives. That is, of course, they have common parts and parts, but they are very few. These are different cars.

- And how are things with the legendary "Patriot" in principle? And what do they have in common with the "Hunter"?

- “Hunter” is a car with sufficiently simple maneuverability without any claims for comfort. This is a hard worker, such a spartan off-road machine. As for the "Patriot", then we position it well, if not as an off-road, then as a universal car. Yes, he is inferior to the “Hunter” in the cross, but nevertheless he keeps off-road qualities at a high enough level. Now, above all, we are working on comfort and safety. At the same time, the car remains relatively inexpensive and aimed at the family budget, universal consumption. That is, a person in this car should go to the feast, to the world, and to good people. He should be warm in her cozy, comfortable and safe. But at the same time, if the owner needs to get to, say, to give or leave the snow-filled courtyard, he will not have to face any difficulties.

- What do you think about the sudden corrosion of the body. Many "patrik" owners also complained about this deficiency. Did you solve this problem?

- I believe that such questions arise from a lack of information among people. From the beginning of 2014, we launched cataphoresis at the plant - an industrial production process for protecting metal under the influence of an electric field in an electrolytic bath. Of course, the owners of our three-year-olds can still complain about rust. And indeed these machines were processed by an outdated technical process. Moreover, today we went further: they began to use secondary soil, to apply plastisol mastic, and also varnish of increased hardness. Modern technology we use when painting the car frame.

- As for the parts. Where are they from - all from the factory or for the most part are we talking about deliveries?

- Both domestic and foreign. Our, unfortunately, are not yet capable of producing high-quality electronics, as well as complex high-tech systems. There are examples of some such symbiosis. Here the units of the ESP and ABS systems are made by Bosch, but all this is done in Samara.

- Well, but our details, I do not know, time-tested, are used in the modern "Patriot"? At least some “five-pointed” quality from the past remains, what can we be proud of today?

- In fact, we can not boast of anything ... Of our parts, we still use domestic plastic, noise insulation, glass, metal, power windows, and seats. All that simple ...















































- A lot of unflattering was said by the owners about the “Patriot” sail. Is his body rather high due to something?

- Yes. We, of course, sought to lift above the ground all components and assemblies. Plus, of course, the frame, on which the whole body sits, also gives a significant increase. Well, the high roof is designed to please the driver. So that, bouncing on the potholes, the man would not beat his head against the ceiling. Imagine, there are three or four centimeters, there are six - that’s the height of the body. Add also the rails, which even visually make the car even higher.

- Well, if we are talking about landing, let's talk about the seats. Any innovations?

- In the modern "Patriot" appeared leather interior. And so, back in 2013, the rear seats got heated. The driver's seat has a decent height adjustment with a good range, including the longitudinal and lumbar supports. The tilt of the backrest is European, infinitely variable, that is, the driver can set it to the degree of inclination he needs. The head restraints have also changed a bit and are close to the head. In the 2014 year in the back row, we added as much as eight centimeters; however, the rear backrest no longer regulated. Also, the rear seats got an armrest with cup holders, equipped with retractable head restraints and an Isofix attachment system.

- The appearance of the third row is not planned?

- Not. I think it is impossible to satisfy the needs of all people in one car. As practice has shown, the use of European cars in our country, the third row, if used, is extremely rare. In addition, structurally it is necessary to alter half of the car for the sake of not very clear and small audience.

- Evgeny Anatolyevich, the door handle torn off by the general has already become the talk of the town. What happened then? Why did she come off? Did you manage to modify it?

- Yes of course. The mold was refined in two places. In general, initially, the door handle on the admission tests met even higher standards, but I don’t know whether the supplier did something with the material, or something else ... After the incident, we took a number of measurements and gave it to study of chemical composition. It turned out that there were indeed small deviations from the norm. And yet we strengthened the handle just mechanically. Simply put, some hooks on the door were reinforced.

- The fuel tank became single and single. Why? The men complain that at the entrance to the gas station now you need to remember which side you have the filler cap on ...

- So, I will say briefly, despite the criticism of some. The goal was one, and it was achieved: now it is a plastic container that does not rust.

- The back door ... What about her slack? All the same?

- Unfortunately, this is generally an old construction. We, of course, strengthened the opening itself. But in a radical way, it’s really not yet possible to solve the problem. In addition, if the car constantly jumps over the bumps, then sooner or later the door will slack ...



























- Summing up our conversation, it would be useful to tell our readers about what the main innovations of the modernized UAZ Patriot are?

- The main thing is a passive safety system. Two front airbags for the driver and passenger plus front seat belts with pretensioners and force limiters. These are good modern belts. By the way, in order to integrate all this, we had to modify the instrument panel, steering column and wheel, shift paddles. Next is active security. We have ESP and ABC of a new generation. By the way, ESP is not just a system of exchange rate stability, but also help when starting uphill, preventing tipping, braking when turning, and so on. Well and, of course, off-road mode (from the English off-road - "off-road"), provides for disabling the system in general. We also have a completely new climate system. The new air system prevents misting and also quickly and effectively defrosts the cabin. The temperature can be made lower than in previous versions of the machine. Well, a full climate control. Of course, our achievement is a heated steering wheel over the entire diameter. We were one of the first to install such a nice option in the domestic car. Externally, the car received more chrome parts, as well as a new grille and a slightly modified and slightly enlarged logo corresponding to the corporate style.

- Well, in the next article I will talk about my personal impressions of riding on the updated “Patriot”, taken from the company for a test drive. Let's see how this beast has become in our days, having survived with us the best of times. Perhaps this car starts a new story ...
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  1. +14
    11 March 2017 06: 06
    UAZ, gradually ceases to be UAZ ... at 469 I always look with melancholy and nostalgia.
    1. +26
      11 March 2017 13: 28
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      UAZ, gradually ceases to be UAZ ...


      And reading such an interview, you immediately understand why - the deputy general director for development, director of the scientific and technical center of UAZ LLC, Evgeni Galkin, is definitely not a PATRIOT!

      And if PATRIOT, then not Russia!

      The whole interview comes down - yes, the quality of the cars is poor, the population doesn’t like the car, but WE can’t do anything!

      I came up with the phrases:

      - ... in general, the “Patriot” in the UAZ line today is positioned as a crossover or is it a luxury SUV? - So not just high, but high! It has ... heated steering wheel ...

      - A million and thirty thousand ... Is this, you think, inexpensive for a domestic car? - I believe that people are aware that for the money they buy a well-equipped car and this is happiness ...

      HAPPINESS for 1 rubles - I've been dreaming of it all my life (with a pension of 300 rubles!)

      - At the same time, the car remains relatively inexpensive and aimed at the family budget, universal consumption.

      And all this is all for only 1 rubles !!!!

      - the issue of cross-country ability is initially a somewhat philosophical question. The machine, of course, became heavier and higher structurally. Hence the ensuing nuances.

      - In 2014, in the back row, we added ... however, the rear backs are no longer adjustable ...

      - The back door ... What about her sagging? All the same? - Unfortunately, this construction is generally old ... But in a radical way, it is really impossible to solve the problem so far. Moreover, if the car constantly jumps over bumps, then sooner or later the door will sag ...

      - What can you say about sudden corrosion of the body. Many patrick owners also complained about this shortcoming. Did you solve this problem? - Of course, the owners of our three-year-olds can still complain about rust. And indeed, these machines were processed according to an outdated technical process ...

      “... that door-handle torn off by the general has already become a byword.” What then happened? Why did she come off? Did you manage to refine it? - ... in general, the door handle initially for acceptance tests met even higher standards, but I don’t know whether the supplier did something with the material, or something else ...

      Horror SPEAK, WRITE, and we read !!!

      Rush to drive such development managers ....

      TOTALLY !!!!!!

      Or "something else ..." (phrase from the interview)
      1. +4
        11 March 2017 14: 10
        Quote: Titsen
        Or "something else ..." (phrase from the interview)

        They still plan to install leather seats laughing not only should they be looked after in the summer, if the machine is not tinted, they will heat up. The eggs are like in an oven. laughing Omelette. laughing
      2. +1
        11 March 2017 15: 59
        Quote: Titsen
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        UAZ, gradually ceases to be UAZ ...

        And reading such an interview, you immediately understand why - the deputy general director for development, director of the scientific and technical center of UAZ LLC, Evgeni Galkin, is definitely not a PATRIOT!
        And if PATRIOT, then not Russia!
        The whole interview comes down - yes, the quality of the cars is poor, the population doesn’t like the car, but WE can’t do anything!
        I came up with the phrases:
        - ... in general, the “Patriot” in the UAZ line today is positioned as a crossover or is it a luxury SUV? - So not just high, but high! It has ... heated steering wheel ...
        - A million and thirty thousand ... Is this, you think, inexpensive for a domestic car? - I believe that people are aware that for the money they buy a well-equipped car and this is happiness ...
        HAPPINESS for 1 rubles - I've been dreaming of it all my life (with a pension of 300 rubles!)
        - At the same time, the car remains relatively inexpensive and aimed at the family budget, universal consumption.
        And all this is all for only 1 rubles !!!!
        - the issue of cross-country ability is initially a somewhat philosophical question. The machine, of course, became heavier and higher structurally. Hence the ensuing nuances.
        - In 2014, in the back row, we added ... however, the rear backs are no longer adjustable ...
        - The back door ... What about her sagging? All the same? - Unfortunately, this construction is generally old ... But in a radical way, it is really impossible to solve the problem so far. Moreover, if the car constantly jumps over bumps, then sooner or later the door will sag ...
        - What can you say about sudden corrosion of the body. Many patrick owners also complained about this shortcoming. Did you solve this problem? - Of course, the owners of our three-year-olds can still complain about rust. And indeed, these machines were processed according to an outdated technical process ...
        “... that door-handle torn off by the general has already become a byword.” What then happened? Why did she come off? Did you manage to refine it? - ... in general, the door handle initially for acceptance tests met even higher standards, but I don’t know whether the supplier did something with the material, or something else ...
        Horror SPEAK, WRITE, and we read !!!
        Rush to drive such development managers ....
        TOTALLY !!!!!!
        Or "something else ..." (phrase from the interview)


        It will also leak from under the stove and tank as it did 30 years ago ...
        1. +9
          11 March 2017 18: 00
          but I like GAZ more, it’s a pity they didn’t do it
      3. +5
        14 March 2017 00: 36
        Quote: Titsen
        HAPPINESS for 1 rubles

        colleague, lam thirty. not three hundred. although, for me and for you, this does not change anything ....
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  2. +10
    11 March 2017 06: 12
    Someone who didn’t talk about the Patriot, but my PETROVICH was the best car for me. True, I have it LIVITED in 2008, of course there were some childhood illnesses, the expansion tank changed 4 times, once the belt, and bypass rollers. I don’t have to change the account, except oil and liquid. I wanted to change it in 2015, but then I thought that fishing would disappear right away. Of course, I won’t get into such wilds as before on NIVA (there is a winch and other improvements they were off-road), On Petrovich I just don’t hobble much, I have it without various upgrades, well I installed a true on-board computer, with a display so that I diagnosed it myself, as on the later ones, that's all. it was dispersed - it’s true that gasoline is already slurping, and off-road. A good device !!!!
    1. +8
      11 March 2017 10: 44
      In the post-Soviet period, I had one experience, the sad one was using the products of the Russian automobile industry. He returned to the capital from the province. Got a passenger "Gazelle", brand new, even the film from the seats have not yet been removed. We drove 150 km, exactly 100 km remained, and then ... a box flew ... Several men, as well as responsive motorists, as it were, examined the “patient” and spread their hands sadly. We got home on the way. Now on the roads reign supreme "Hyundai" and others. Auto companies quickly abandoned the "Gazelle". By the way, our roads are pretty decent.
      1. +2
        11 March 2017 12: 31
        Quote: xetai9977
        In the post-Soviet period, I had one experience, the sad one was using the products of the Russian automobile industry. He returned to the capital from the province. Got a passenger "Gazelle", brand new, even the film from the seats have not yet been removed. 150 km passed, exactly 100 km remained, and then ... a box flew ..

        Do not break in, it happens.
        Another thing is when you take a batch from the car factory, the drivers came for the paid Gazelles, and they already managed to dismantle them, cars, at the car park. laughing Spare parts can be purchased on the market. laughing Then they began to work through dealers.
        1. rs
          0
          8 July 2017 02: 27
          We, in Vlada, are mainly Japanese and Korean auto industry, but gazelles run on some routes, still old, not nekst, and there are no problems. Do not rattle, do not fall apart. If carriers were not satisfied, they have already been replaced a long time ago, there is something ...
      2. +17
        11 March 2017 12: 54
        And we have the opposite in St. Petersburg. Previously, buses and minibuses were only foreign. Now almost only Russian - NEFAZ, LIAZ, PAZ, GAZ, Gazelle next. And somehow imperceptibly. That old foreign buses and minibus drove around, and then looked around - the new Russian. Mystic. belay
        As for the UAZs, there is still much to work on. As the guys who went to the factory told me, there is still a low assembly culture, a lot of manual labor. From here and the jambs are constant. However, the fact that the Russian police are being transplanted everywhere is a great sign. Plus, the military buys them, and this is state-owned, which means a different level of quality. The main thing is that there are orders, and everything else will catch up. There will be money - they will increase automation of production processes - the number of jambs will decrease. There will be government orders - the military will force the UAZ to tighten quality. Especially after the handle of a car torn off by a general in front of Putin. laughing In general, there is still a lot of work, but so far the UAZ has good prospects.
        1. +3
          11 March 2017 13: 21
          Quote: g1v2
          Gazelle next

          A good car, by the way, is assembled by minibuses in Semipalatinsk. They served the Universiade.
          Now they are collecting electric buses with China, they will drive in Almaty, ecology, and at the EXPO in Astana.
          KAMAZ low-policeman is gorgeous but Hyundaievsky is cheaper for some reason, the assembly is with us.

          Quote: g1v2
          In general, there is still a lot of work, but so far the UAZ has good prospects.

          Make a loaf of diesel with us even in the countries to the south and in Mongolia, but always with the heating of the fuel system. Diesel fuel is only one-year-old; winter gasoline costs more than 92.
        2. +3
          11 March 2017 13: 30
          10 YEARS BACK AT KASYANOV, IT IS NECESSARY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. Now time is lost. and another round of the development of the world, hybrids and autopilots.
      3. +6
        11 March 2017 13: 57
        Well, especially from Novosibirsk to Cherepanovo, Gazelochen is a rare beast-100 out of 103.
        And if you also drive a sheep so he’ll kill you any machinery in flight. And you don’t tell me about the durability of foreign cars. At one time when I had a Four. I worked as a repairman. So I’ll say from a personal experience (repair) that Japanese women break more often than the polished Zhiguli. You look at what gasket between the steering wheel and the seat sits. I took a Japanese woman from the market, if I didn’t serve, I didn’t check everything and everything for a month and a half and the polar fox. Like with our car industry. It's like in Soviet times for chewing gum and they were chasing jeans, but shit, but not ours. I have one neighbor on Pradika changed the valve, the second one on the Ferret engine + box. I (knock on wood) still have candles on my PETROVICH, so I didn’t change it. Therefore, it’s not a car.
        1. +5
          11 March 2017 15: 58
          Quote: Fitter65
          . In due time, when I had Chetverochka. I worked as a repairman. So I will say from personal experience (repair) that Japanese women break down more often than the polished Zhiguli.

          Well, I remember from VAZ, there were 2101,2121,21083. A fun weekend, ball, pump, rear axle gearbox, ferodo and release bearing, faucet on the stoves, wheel bearings, parasin-drive of the oil pump and ignition, an extended chain or a torn belt, a meeting of valves, also a torn soothing and tensioner, replacing the front and main oil seal and much more.
          Japanese-replacement consumables and minor repairs.
          The Germans are replacing gasoline pumps, power windows, thermostats and sensors, consumables and nothing more.
          Foreign cars sometimes relax. laughing
          1. +4
            11 March 2017 16: 52
            It's just how you looked at your VAZ. I’m holding a Lada for a garden, nature. I held a foreign car for trips to the city for two years, I shoved the junk from a foreign car dump for another sucker, took it fresher for myself, and we went fishing in the old Zhiguli to the garden.
            Well, then tell me tales. That ours is that they break if you do not follow the full G.
            1. +1
              11 March 2017 17: 01
              Quote: Fitter65
              It's just how you looked at your VAZ. I’m holding a Lada for a garden, nature. I held a foreign car for trips to the city for two years, I shoved the junk from a foreign car dump for another sucker, took it fresher for myself, and we went fishing in the old Zhiguli to the garden.
              Well, then tell me tales. That ours is that they break if you do not follow the full G.

              I watched them be healthy.
              Himself from the meal that in Germany, there are relatives, drove pretty good cars, which is still on the move. Sold from the "home" are not happy can present a claim. Although there were none, there were robbery attempts. laughing
              Your ... 412 thresholds rotted three years after the purchase, and this is in Soviet times.
              Tell me right away that you didn’t go to foreign cars, if the Germans were engaged in bodywork, then the Germans were all galvanized and hard, and the Japanese were phosphated, and it was easier to correct.
          2. +2
            14 March 2017 00: 44
            Quote: marshes
            Germans

            I have Opel, so I’ll tell you only consumables (Castrol exclusively synthetic oil), plus a pump with bearings in time, because an old “electrician”. Well, the motors on the wipers. and on the back door grunted earlier))) (station wagon). chesslovo. would let out this old man (Vectra B, 1,8l.). I would buy with pleasure.
        2. +3
          12 March 2017 04: 56
          Fitter65 Yesterday, 17:57 ↑ New
          And if you also drive a sheep behind the wheel, then he will kill you any equipment in flight. And you don’t tell me about the durability of foreign cars. At one time when I had a Chetverochka. I worked as a repairman. So I will say from my personal experience (repair) that Japanese women break more often than the polished Zhiguli. You look at the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat.

          I confirm your words. I am engaged in diagnostics and electrics. Renault in general, you can start to repair from a car dealership, and BMWs and geldings generally went solid China. Quality is starting to lose. Honda recently drove in (recently the warranty ended), the central lock did not work with novia. They opened it, but he is not there.
        3. +1
          15 March 2017 23: 32
          Here you are, being the owner of a Zhigulyator and would look at the quality and durability of the same gaskets on a domestic bucket)))))) Tales about durable VAZ engines are confirmed only by single happy occasions. The rest is continuous marriage and non-compliance with technology.
  3. +10
    11 March 2017 06: 16
    The fact that so intensely advertised to RUSSIA has nothing to do. Even the inscription on the product is embossed in Latin letters. By the way, both components and management are also not RUSSIAN. Design engineers at the factory only adapt the product to their own ideas about the car, but they are not able to create it.
    1. +1
      11 March 2017 16: 05
      Quote: Vasily50
      The fact that so intensely advertised to RUSSIA has nothing to do. Even the inscription on the product is embossed in Latin letters. By the way, both components and management are also not RUSSIAN. Design engineers at the factory only adapt the product to their own ideas about the car, but they are not able to create it.



      Sensors, bearings, clutch, ... More than half of imported components on domestic cars
      1. +2
        15 March 2017 23: 34
        Thanks to the Democrats - they destroyed the specialized factories for the production of these very bearings. In Moscow, the whole street is "ball-bearing" - a reference to the factory located there. There is no factory for a long time - under Putin, by the way, it was closed 15 years ago. And we don’t even make wire .... Everything is Chinese.
  4. +8
    11 March 2017 06: 32
    I don’t know how it was updated. But even my PRADO 95 overtakes it easily on winter roads. Once I had to go round it and pull it out! It’s heavy, not turning, and worse passability. It can tumble on the track because of the high altitude. It’s not optimized. That's when it’s better to take Kruzak! In the meantime, excuse me.
    1. +7
      11 March 2017 06: 53
      better take three patriots than one Kruzak ..)
    2. +4
      11 March 2017 09: 05
      Better and more beautiful is not necessary. At least in quality ... Ka old prado. In general, UAZ is forced to buy a production line and a Prado license (as they did with FIAT in due time)
      1. +1
        11 March 2017 11: 55
        Quote: Zaurbek
        Better and more beautiful is not necessary. At least in quality ... Ka old prado. In general, UAZ is forced to buy a production line and a Prado license (as they did with FIAT in due time)

        Yes, the Patriot enters the same class with the Prado, and by creating see inspiration on the body, the designers ate the engine. 2.7 the engine. True, the last Pradiki is Patrick.
        1. +1
          11 March 2017 14: 12
          Quote: marshes
          Quote: Zaurbek
          Better and more beautiful is not necessary. At least in quality ... Ka old prado. In general, UAZ is forced to buy a production line and a Prado license (as they did with FIAT in due time)

          Yes, the Patriot enters the same class with the Prado, and by creating see inspiration on the body, the designers ate the engine. 2.7 the engine. True, the last Pradiki is Patrick.

          It depends on what a compliment both one and the other. It’s just that many people drove a UAZ-469 in the back of a Patriot ...
        2. +1
          12 March 2017 08: 29
          He then enters ... take the Prado 12 years ago with 4 liter gasoline and a 4-speed automatic and compare it with the Patriot. The main thing in the UAZ business is that you do not need to reinvent the wheel. All firms refuse frame machines. You can buy a license. (Nissan Patrol, Mitsu Pajero, American cars). A fully localized machine will occupy its niche and will be out of competition - everything, corny, state orders will be it. In the Army, most likely, the UAZ niche will be occupied by Scorpio and, partially, TIGER.
      2. +2
        11 March 2017 13: 33
        UAZ should be easier. and everything else is secondary. The population density \ sq km is many times less than Western Europe. you still need to pull it.
        1. +2
          12 March 2017 08: 30
          In Russia, without a frame 4x4 you can’t ....
    3. +5
      11 March 2017 11: 53
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      .But even my PRADO 95

      Right-hand drive? With automatic transmission-tenacious unit.
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  5. +7
    11 March 2017 07: 09
    Quote: klybik
    better take three patriots than one Kruzak ..)

    Sorry, we live in the wilderness of the taiga. Pull out and no one will tow in the event of a breakdown. Here I would have taken a NIVA !!!!! And the main question is, how much should I reckon on?
    1. +4
      11 March 2017 08: 27
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      And the main question, how much to count on, is bashfully wiped out

      Not overwritten. Million with a ponytail.
    2. +1
      11 March 2017 11: 57
      Kazakhstan assembly at 9.600. But if you kill it, then it is better with hands on the go.
    3. +1
      12 March 2017 05: 01
      It says 103000r in the coolest configuration, and so on from 700 thousand. simplest.
      1. +1
        15 March 2017 23: 38
        Do not invent, but go to the official website. There you will not find a single bucket of rust cheaper than 800. And the UAZ bucket rusts on the assembly line during assembly.

        700 is the lowest possible price at the highest possible discount. There are too many conditions and they are not feasible in real life. This is stupidly a temptation for people who do not know how to read and count money.
  6. +10
    11 March 2017 07: 31
    Already not a tractor, but still ..... not a car. Bought in 2015, my patience was enough for 8 months.
  7. +4
    11 March 2017 07: 42
    And what VO has already decided to do auto topics? This article is more likely for Driving or Auto Review.
    1. +8
      11 March 2017 08: 33
      Quote: m.cempbell
      And what VO has already decided to do auto topics?

      469 UAZ was created by order of the Ministry of Defense. They tested it for six months, we drove into the Pamir already. And this patriot is like that, neither here nor there.
      1. +1
        12 March 2017 08: 37
        place 469 will be taken by LSA Scorpio in different variations ...
    2. +5
      11 March 2017 08: 48
      Quote: m.cempbell
      This article is more likely for Driving or Auto Review.
      These machines are adopted by the RA, to my deep regret hi but I would like to for the price will soon catch up !.
      1. +5
        11 March 2017 10: 21
        It would be better for the army in the old brutal design. good
        1. +4
          11 March 2017 12: 01
          Quote: Greenwood
          It would be better for the army in the old brutal design

          It is without a frame, and such are made in China, we were in the armed forces, they died out within three years.
          Enduring Land Rovers Defendors and Fords Bronco as well as Humvee.
        2. +4
          11 March 2017 13: 37
          Before the appearance of the "Patriots, there were such prototypes with a brutal design in both civilian and military versions, but alas, because of the events of the 90s, they did not go live, although for the army it would be better" Patriot.
          1. +2
            11 March 2017 13: 56
            Quote: vasilev
            Before the appearance of the "Patriots, there were such prototypes with a brutal design in both civilian and military versions, but alas, because of the events of the 90s, they did not go live, although for the army it would be better" Patriot.

            The upper photo is somewhat reminiscent of the Land Rover Disaviri lower on the Army Meren G Class.
          2. +2
            12 March 2017 05: 03
            I saw such cars in the UAZ still in 1984. They say they went for export.
      2. +2
        11 March 2017 11: 59
        Quote: fif21
        for the price will soon catch up !.

        Charoki and so on. already without a frame. On Wrangel there is still.
      3. +4
        11 March 2017 15: 24
        Quote: fif21
        Quote: m.cempbell
        This article is more likely for Driving or Auto Review.
        These machines are adopted by the RA, to my deep regret hi but I would like to for the price will soon catch up !.

        you are the miracle that on the second photo you buy yourself and try to service for several years, howl with delight how enchantingly the machine is made
        the patriot has a lot of flaws, but choosing between the freak jeep and the patriot the choice is definitely for the second
      4. +3
        11 March 2017 15: 29
        Quote: fif21

        3
        fif21 today, 08:48 ↑
        Quote: m.cempbell
        This article is more likely for Driving or Auto Review.
        These machines are adopted by the RA, to my deep regret hi
        but I would like to

        this unit, despite being similar to a wide jeep, is a pure crossover. no SUV from it. I ride on patra myself since 2013. taken from the passenger compartment. I do not complain about the machine itself to the designers of some nodes would say sooo awkward words for the "convenience" of service.
  8. +3
    11 March 2017 08: 02
    Actually, the “kazel” is gas 69, not UAZ! !!
  9. +6
    11 March 2017 08: 12
    There is nothing surprising in the appearance of this article, because there are few who wish to buy this tract of forest soup. And so - all are advertising.
  10. +4
    11 March 2017 08: 20
    And what does this ad do in the weapons section?
    1. +9
      11 March 2017 09: 12
      It replaces articles about weapons that are not there.
      1. +2
        11 March 2017 13: 35
        everything is secret and dust in the eyes
  11. +11
    11 March 2017 08: 42
    Full guano! Yawing along the road has not been eliminated (the angle of the front axle to the frame is dangerous). The inclusion of the front axle was made electric, as a result of which I almost lost my friends — the front axle turned on at speed myself! Fortunately there were no meetings. These two reasons make the machine simply dangerous to operate. Off-road patency is average, comfort on the highway is average. Conclusion - neither fish nor meat request Electric heated steering wheel, video cameras and other stuffing, this is the dream of any fisherman, hunter, farmer laughing I am modestly silent about the possibility of repairing in the field. All that remains for the men is one joy - a "loaf" - a motor home! And that one needs refinement - several different programs on flash drives for the engine (highway, off-road, slip ....) and you understand that the 402 engine is yesterday. hi
    1. +2
      11 March 2017 13: 38
      here is the answer
      20 years ago Kadannikov when asked about the quality of the Lada: "there is no crisis in the automotive industry, there is a crisis with components"
      Engines boxes. bridges in total = prestige
      But in the end ----- Chemezov (is this his factory?) Should live in such industries. not accept reports
      We have not yet climbed out of the pit of the 90s. GDP (money from oil already), and the quality and labor productivity does not match the level of salaries of Pupmanagers
    2. +7
      11 March 2017 14: 58
      I heard they stick it in a 1KZ loaf from Hayes, that's the topic. And for 1300000- pradik in a 95 body, 3.4 liters, the consumption is even less, let alone comfort and various lotions.
      Our car industry remained in the 90s, and shook it like that, so it’s not whining like that and they cover the right-hand drive import, which fairy tales do not come up with.
      But this is a race! People drive a 7-10 year old car over 8 km (and in the beginning there wasn’t any road to Chita), then they drive it for decades, mainly changing oil and consumables.
      And our reality is to buy a headache for 1300000 and ride without knowing what will fall off or jam today .....
      1. +1
        11 March 2017 15: 13
        Quote: max2215
        I heard they stick it in a 1KZ loaf from Hayes, that's the topic.

        And bridges, a razdatka, a box? I know that on Gas -69 they install the offal from the Kruzak 40, they "tear" everyone on the raid.
        Quote: max2215
        But this is a race! People drive a 7-10 year old car over 8 km (and in the beginning there wasn’t any road to Chita), then they drive it for decades, mainly changing oil and consumables.

        In recent years, they drove them on auto transporters or by rail, in my case, through China it was in a container and Kyrgyzstan to the vehicle so from Japanese auctions so driven.
        Before that, we could have driven countries from the UAE or the States and other countries.
        Now, the Glonass button, all possible certifications and an initial payment for initial registration. We would have made a car purchase from a local dealer or a local assembly.
        1. +2
          11 March 2017 15: 18
          a friend writes, they decided the question with Glonas, they’re already putting it in Vladik, it’s kind of like you can drive on duty again, otherwise it’s only for documents, but it's a pity.
          1. +1
            11 March 2017 15: 27
            Quote: max2215
            a friend writes, they decided the question with Glonas, they’re already putting it in Vladik, it’s kind of like you can drive on duty again, otherwise it’s only for documents, but it's a pity.

            You are lucky, the people immediately rebelled. We don’t have such a thing, in the best case they will detain us in the worst case.
            According to Glonass, yes, according to the rules of the EAEU, ours agreed but they introduced safety certification, okay, they already agree on 2-5 year old cars, go there already EURO-5,6 so if he had to import a private car, he had to drive it so that it would be broken and certified. Your Russian cars, not only should there be a Glonass button, from them grandmas in the amount of 2 tons of killed raccoons are taken for initial registration.
    3. +1
      11 March 2017 16: 55
      Quote: fif21
      Full guano! Yawing along the road has not been eliminated (the angle of the front axle to the frame is dangerous). The inclusion of the front axle was made electric, as a result of which I almost lost my friends — the front axle turned on at speed myself! Fortunately there were no meetings. These two reasons make the machine simply dangerous to operate. Off-road patency is average, comfort on the highway is average. Conclusion - neither fish nor meat request Electric heated steering wheel, video cameras and other stuffing, this is the dream of any fisherman, hunter, farmer laughing I am modestly silent about the possibility of repairing in the field. All that remains for the men is one joy - a "loaf" - a motor home! And that one needs refinement - several different programs on flash drives for the engine (highway, off-road, slip ....) and you understand that the 402 engine is yesterday. hi

      Full GUANO are you talking about the one who was driving? Such rams and planes are ruining, I’m silent about PATRIOT. And open the road wars, they’ll be stunned. Foreign cars are fighting, sometimes even against Russian KamAZ trucks, and Belarusian MTZs. The machine is not to blame for the dullness behind the wheel.
      1. +1
        12 March 2017 04: 03
        but I agree! cousin deputy deputy traffic police on prevention among schoolchildren. somehow from boredom I looked at the statistics of road accidents in the region and ofigel. under 90% of accidents involving auto-cars, domestic frets of all stripes, mostly old and not expensive “bugs” of models 05 - 09. are caused by cheapness in the secondary market, and the consequences of an accident on such cars are almost always tragic. recently they made a raid around the city - they caught schoolchildren who bought some kind of 8 or 9 in a squad and went to school in turn. neither rights nor documents. parents did not even suspect that their children owned a car !!!
        1. +2
          12 March 2017 05: 07
          rich students, we have a penny on the go at least 30 thousand worth
        2. 0
          14 March 2017 00: 57
          Quote: Skarpzd
          and the consequences of an accident on such machines are almost always tragic

          I agree. our cars bring almost 80% to the share of dead and wounded in statistics. although accidents involving foreign cars are almost the same 75-80%. here you have safety-quality (((
      2. +2
        12 March 2017 07: 37
        Quote: Fitter65
        Full GUANO are you talking about the one who was driving?
        You won’t believe it, but our drivers are professionals, we have been driving the youngest for 23 years. (Maybe that's why everyone is still alive and well) What can a driver do if suddenly gasoline starts to leak from the neck of one of the tanks? The transfer pump did not turn off! At a speed of 70 km \ hour, the front axle switches on independently - can the toggle switch be brought to the panel? And it is installed next to the tumblers for opening windows, electrically heated seats. And what can constant taxiing on ice lead to? So that the schools of design thought do not need to be blamed on the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat. hi
    4. 0
      14 March 2017 00: 52
      Quote: fif21
      Conclusion - neither fish nor meat

      and the sale of this miracle and the search for "an old Japanese"
  12. +9
    11 March 2017 09: 06
    whatever you say, the old 469 bobik is dearer, and without any injectors, computers and sensors there it broke in the taiga, almost everything can be repaired on the knee, and I’d better go to the positions where the patriot is positioned on a Subaru Forester hi
  13. +10
    11 March 2017 09: 11
    The author is a sucker - he doesn’t know what he is writing about - "gear bridges giving unprecedented clearance" - neighing for about ten minutes - I didn’t read further. About the car, I’ll say the following - it’s not bad in general, but the build quality is disgusting as well as the quality of individual components, but the passability of the “thing” is relative - depending on what to compare - in short I sold it and bought a Toyota Surf - a patriot is worse by an order of magnitude in all respects
  14. +8
    11 March 2017 09: 17
    PATRIOT, Hunter - so patriotic.
    1. 0
      22 May 2017 16: 42
      Well, what do you want, in our country as a whole, even, probably, in a distant Yakut village - you won’t find a hotel -HOTEL, but in a simple outback, there is a direct foreign population, I would understand if only 30% knew this a foreign language, and there are practically no names in Russian alone Cafe, resturant, etc.
  15. +2
    11 March 2017 09: 32
    Yeah, the Russian auto industry has always been distinguished by a "long line of lineup." One, two and there is nothing to choose, unlike foreign automakers, where there is everything to taste and color. As they said earlier ... the Soviet man does not go to a bathhouse in a taxi ...
  16. +2
    11 March 2017 09: 46
    Doubtful improvement with a gas tank. Now it is vulnerable, because sitting at bridge level. You give it back, hemp or stone you break through the plastic and that's it, come. The circuit with two tanks inside was much more reliable.
    1. +4
      11 March 2017 11: 59
      Quote: Pacifist
      Doubtful improvement with a gas tank

      Quote: Pacifist
      The circuit with two tanks inside was much more reliable.

      The scheme is more reliable, but the fuel transfer pump is not reliable wassat
      1. +1
        11 March 2017 13: 10
        Well, if UAZ engineers do not know physics ... what let them open the school textbook. The pump over there didn’t give up. The circuit is simple and reliable, and no mechanics / electrics. or let them remove a new tank above, or under protection.
      2. +4
        11 March 2017 13: 16
        Quote: fif21
        fuel transfer pump

        I don’t understand why this crap is needed.
  17. +3
    11 March 2017 09: 55
    They only change the headlights, and the roof was welded in three pieces, and now it is like that, even the Chinese do not allow themselves this, the bridges bend, the engine does not have enough moment on the bottoms until they eliminate it, they won’t take it seriously
  18. +8
    11 March 2017 10: 27
    I remember, I remember, in our city of Vladivostok, UAZs began to collect Patriots at the Sollers plant. Then I once in a conversation heard that 95% of the cars from the factory are immediately loaded onto trains and driven to the western regions of the country, or exported to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc. In the city itself, no one bought them, except for one-time orders for the civil service. For our people there is nothing dearer to Kruzer. At the prices that are breaking for the new Patriot, you can take quite a peppy Sotka.
    1. +2
      11 March 2017 12: 04
      Quote: Greenwood
      For our people there is nothing dearer to Kruzer. At the prices that are breaking for the new Patriot, you can take quite a peppy Sotka.

      Familiar with difficulty in 2015, sold and bought 100, 2004, satisfied ....
      1. +1
        11 March 2017 14: 06
        Quote: marshes
        Quote: Greenwood
        For our people there is nothing dearer to Kruzer. At the prices that are breaking for the new Patriot, you can take quite a peppy Sotka.

        Familiar with difficulty in 2015, sold and bought 100, 2004, satisfied ....

        True, you did not indicate what configuration the UAZ was and to what degree of killing. After how much did he kill this Kruzak?
        1. +1
          11 March 2017 14: 21
          Quote: Fitter65
          True, you did not indicate what configuration the UAZ was and to what degree of killing. After how much did he kill this Kruzak?

          Limetide, there were no killed zero except trips to the Kapchegaysky reservoir, and he didn’t go to the mountains. He took around 17 tons of killed raccoons for 8, the car went to Kyzyl-Orda, Baikonur is nearby and there are spare parts for ROS. There are cars.
          I took 100 for 12 tons of Almaty, the cheapest spare parts, in stock and a large selection of Toyota.
          Will it kill? No, hunting, fishing-Mountains, OR, Balkhash. Landrover Defender, plus a Loaf will fall on my tail.
          1. +1
            11 March 2017 17: 00
            Quote: marshes
            Quote: Fitter65
            True, you did not indicate what configuration the UAZ was and to what degree of killing. After how much did he kill this Kruzak?

            Limetide, there were no killed zero except trips to the Kapchegaysky reservoir, and he didn’t go to the mountains. He took around 17 tons of killed raccoons for 8, the car went to Kyzyl-Orda, Baikonur is nearby and there are spare parts for ROS. There are cars.
            I took 100 for 12 tons of Almaty, the cheapest spare parts, in stock and a large selection of Toyota.
            Will it kill? No, hunting, fishing-Mountains, OR, Balkhash. Landrover Defender, plus a Loaf will fall on my tail.

            Well, yes of course, Patriot is a complete G.
            Did you ride it?
            I, what are you, no of course, but a friend of my nephew my wife’s second cousin told ...
            I have a 2008 PATRIOT Limited, and I smell trampled on highs, pradiki. Yes, the level of comfort in the cabin is not 200 Kruzak. But not pradik.
            1. +4
              11 March 2017 17: 07
              Quote: Fitter65
              Did you ride it?

              I traveled. Not only would I have to jump over the dune through a razdatku with a decrease from a place in 5th gear to get under way, otherwise it buried itself laughing I then drove to RAF-4 without any problems. laughing
            2. +2
              12 March 2017 04: 08
              Dear, do not make people laugh, praising the Patriot and lousy Land Cruiser. For work, I had to ride a couple of official patriots, one in 2009, the second in 2014. And then on the 100 Land Cruiser 2001. The sky is from the earth.
    2. +1
      11 March 2017 14: 05
      [quote = Greenwood] I remember, I remember, in our city of Vladivostok, UAZs began to assemble Patriots at the Sollers plant. Then I once in a conversation heard that 95% of the cars from the factory are immediately loaded onto trains and driven to the western regions of the country, or exported to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, etc. In the city itself, no one bought them, except for one-time orders for the civil service. For our people there is nothing dearer to Kruzer. At the prices that are breaking for the new Patriot, you can take quite a peppy Sotka.
      From the Japanese car dump-DA. But not new. Let's tell the truth.
      1. +4
        11 March 2017 14: 27
        Quote: Fitter65
        From the Japanese car dump-DA. But not new. Let's tell the truth.

        The wife of Suzuki Escudo 94 g, acquired 2004. Automatic, aliens have been operating since 2008. And we are satisfied that the car passed the line of 500 thousand. Replace every 100 timing belts and Maslakov, and I changed the leading rubberized pulley, and the brushes on the starter.
        Mazda 323 90 purchased in 2000 sold 2009. Replacing the timing belt and Maslakov and all !!! He is also on the go, when he sold on the speedometer there were 420 thousand, it is not yet known how much they twisted in Germany.
      2. +5
        11 March 2017 18: 29
        If you’re off topic, then better keep quiet about the Japanese. By the way, I’m from Nakhodka. Next time, don’t show your ignorance. Cars are now bought only at auctions and not older than 5 years. It’s possible and older, but the duty will be very humane. We repeatedly compared the quality of the cars (Pradik, Raf-4, Camry) the right-handed and assembled with us, the quality is just heaven and earth. Although in appearance it seems like everything is a bullet in a bullet. I go to Toyote 98 onwards and I don’t complain. Besides filters and oil, there’s nothing more to do.
        1. +1
          11 March 2017 18: 59
          Quote: amber-50
          If not in the topic, then better shut up about Japanese women. By the way, I'm from Nakhodka.

          He, Fitter65, from Komsomolsk-on-Amur, spoke about himself so. A fan of the Patriot and with 5th place.
      3. +2
        12 March 2017 04: 11
        Quote: Fitter65
        From Japanese car dump-YES
        Have you ever seen this car dump? So she looks like this.
    3. +2
      12 March 2017 05: 15
      Greenwood Yesterday,

      Because you have the Japanese nearby, and in our place in Western Siberia only suckers ride right-handed people. Spare parts are normal only with parse. One was dismantled, and 2-3 were repaired. Cheaper from a car dealership to take a European. I go to the mountains every year to relax. Often I observe such a picture - UAZ goes and pulls from 3 to 5 foreign cars to the nearest service station. And once I saw how Kruzak radiator fell off our roads. A woman stands tightening, already breasts in fuel oil, and a man next to him gives the keys.
      1. 0
        12 March 2017 09: 45
        If everything was as you tell, then there would be a noticeable gap in the price of Kruzaks in your region, but this is somehow not observed ... Economy, Mr. ...
        1. +1
          12 March 2017 13: 08
          I mean right-handed, now they are taking left-handed. Right-handed people are being taken from Japan.
          1. 0
            12 March 2017 17: 34
            Quote: woron333444
            I mean right-handed, now they are taking left-handed. Right-handed people are being taken from Japan.
            In Novosibirsk, as far as I know, about 50 to 50 right-handed and left-handed. And then, here we are discussing not the advantages of left-handed Japanese over right-handed ones, but we compare vyser ... uh ... a product of the domestic automobile industry with the patriotic name UAZ Patriot with imported cars, and try to understand whether the former has at least some prospects.
            1. +1
              12 March 2017 20: 03
              A friend of his son changed his poger for 5 years for the new Patriot for 970r. So far, satisfied.
              1. 0
                16 March 2017 01: 10
                Have you seen a man who bought a new car (at least some) and would be dissatisfied with it? )))) Again, Mitsubishi, depending on which one.
  19. +5
    11 March 2017 10: 29
    He needs a good diesel engine and a box.
    1. 0
      12 March 2017 08: 45
      which plant will the engine master?
      1. 0
        12 March 2017 10: 27
        YaMZ is such a weak plant that it cannot create another engine, at least on the basis of some ivek? Well, or Chinese Kamins.
        1. 0
          14 March 2017 01: 03
          Quote: Bronevick
          at least on the basis of some iveko?

          I could have done it. for there is demand, but offers are dumb ...
      2. +1
        16 March 2017 01: 11
        Every year, the Department of Engine Engineering MAMI produces designers of internal combustion engines. Each year, 15-20 young professionals each. Where do they all go? To the landfill of life? Why release specialists every year and not release new engines?
  20. exo
    +6
    11 March 2017 11: 18
    Oh, how does it rust! Not a single anticorrosive rescues. Everything else can be forgiven. But the loaf is a very good car for fishing and hunting.
    1. +4
      11 March 2017 12: 08
      Quote: exo
      Oh, how does it rust!

      They don’t even hide traces from resistance welding, they don’t hide putty. They paint it on bare metal. After a year, the paint dims and burns out, and it glows at the joints of the rust.
  21. +3
    11 March 2017 12: 21
    Relatives exploit loaf 2003. tail and mane. Farmer's economy. Satisfied, although the bridges with gears from the old Soviet UAZ are already. Constantly off-road. 72-80 gasoline, they buy 3 tons in bulk right away. But our government "scared" that next year the production and there will be no sale of 80 gasoline, and in our country it is cheaper than DT. So 92 will be expensive to use, and prices will rise monthly.
    What not to produce a loaf of diesel? 2-2,4 liter. Yes, the on-board network of 24 volts can not be redone, heating the tank, fuel pipe, etc. ... I would immediately get a pair.
    1. +2
      11 March 2017 18: 07
      Quote: marshes
      What not to produce a loaf with a diesel? 2-2,4 liter
      Where will they get the diesel? They have their own shit-shit. Try to fill in unfiltered diesel fuel and amba. If only Iveco will be delivered. Although in the Union the old tractor fifty went for 10 years, but ...
      1. 0
        11 March 2017 18: 22
        Quote: Marssik
        Where will they get the diesel? They have their own shit-shit.

        Let them think that since next year the production and sale of 80 is suspended and it is cheaper than diesel fuel, even by a lot.
        In the private sector, there are a lot of people living in the village and using 469 and there is a lot of loafs. There is a possibility of selling if the cars do not pass the threshold of 12 tons. There will be demand for Gaziks instead of 53 or 130. Here is the market for you. AvtoVAZ 73% of their cars sold in the last two years.
        We had loaves of loaves of 10 cu each sold, demand was.
        1. +2
          11 March 2017 20: 03
          Quote: marshes
          Let them think that since next year the production and sale of 80 is suspended and it is cheaper than diesel fuel, even by a lot.
          We have long stopped. 95 is somewhat equal in price to diesel fuel, and 92 has long been cheaper.
          1. 0
            11 March 2017 20: 17
            Quote: Marssik
            We have long stopped. 95 in some places is equal in price to diesel fuel, and 92 has long been cheaper

            This is stupid, that's why your food prices are high.
            53-130 are used in the agricultural sector, Kamazes are already collecting dead people. The diesel fuel freezes in winter. Yes, summer, winter like 95 gasoline. And even Gazprom's refuelings we sell have low-quality solarium.
            Previously, I was sure of 72-80 gasoline, a loaf of it can easily digest it. In winter, where -25 or even lower, you could ride freely. DD turns into gelatin, even if there is an anti-gel or liquid. And add it.
      2. 0
        11 March 2017 22: 39
        Quote: Marssik
        Where will they get the diesel? They have their own shit-shit.

        A diesel engine has been put on a loaf for a long time, if the gasket is between the steering wheel and the seat, then filtered. The Arctic type that is left behind will not help, it will kill. Order and put either our diesel engine or Ivekovsky one ...
  22. +4
    11 March 2017 12: 32
    Honestly, I'm not a driver,. . . I am a passenger, I have never understood for what countries our cars are being designed.
    For pygmies in warm places, it would seem that Japanese cars are primarily designed for Japan ... but it is much more comfortable in it. Such a curse word like energy for our production workers.
    How does the driver and passenger feel in our car ... fi ... in general it’s bad, but in winter ... even worse ... and now we’ll project that the UAZ is an army car, a bronik ... automatic and a lot of things will be added .. . and wondered, but we need it. The funniest thing that our craftsmen do for rally raids ... amateurs, is wondering in the competence of the manufacturers. I know production is not khukh-mukhra, everything is not so simple there ... but people's lives are more expensive.
  23. +3
    11 March 2017 12: 40
    Quote: marshes
    Right-hand drive? With automatic transmission-tenacious unit.

    Why right-hand drive? Left-hand drive, and mechanics. You can’t crawl through the dirt on the machine! And while this Pah, pah, nothing is done !!!!!!
    1. +3
      11 March 2017 12: 49
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Why right-hand drive? Left-hand drive, and mechanics. You can’t crawl through the dirt on the machine! And while this Pah, pah, nothing is done !!!!!!

      It’s clear, I thought those who had estimated from Japan over the years. I myself was 96, took it in 2005 and then gave it to my relatives, they sold it three years ago to Toyota Hilux, they used it to go to the city, 300 km, and they kill the loaf.
      1. +4
        11 March 2017 12: 57
        He is from Japan, but for Europe, Germany in particular. Heated, with two stoves, just for Siberia. And in addition with a winch, and two batteries .. Here you have to do such a UAZ Patriot
        1. +2
          11 March 2017 13: 05
          Quote: Mar. Tira
          He is from Japan, but for Europe, Germany in particular. Heated, with two stoves, just for Siberia. And in addition with a winch, and two batteries .. Here you have to do such a UAZ Patriot

          I agree that they would have turned a Patriot into a Loaf, with no big hood like on Delica 4 generations.
          And Need a Diesel.
  24. +2
    11 March 2017 12: 44
    Just as in the old joke: "Patriot" must be carefully filed, "- and then you can ride.
  25. +6
    11 March 2017 13: 39
    It's sad to read that. The legendary brand went the easiest way. The engine from this, the transmission from that, the price is appropriate. As a manager, he won’t be puffed up, UAZ PATRIOT will not become popular, IMHO ...
    1. 0
      16 March 2017 01: 15
      At the head of all corporations are greedy ghouls who have not invented anything in their lives, either introduced or created. Their only skills are to steal, racket and humiliate the country's population as much as possible.
    2. 0
      22 May 2017 16: 52
      You won’t believe it, but little by little, production begins to return to Russia, and it was - the Chinese will do everything for us, and we will collect ... Over the past year, up to 40% of normal workers who value themselves have left the factory because they do not pay a normal salary. At the plant itself, the average level of workers who are engaged in the production of components, not on assembly, 45 -55 years old some pensioners alone. I won’t even talk about the level of workers, it’s purely individual, or a genius or a complete shiver, despite his age. Well, when geniuses are involved in the work, it turns out what happened, if the average worker did the work, the machine would not have started ...
  26. +1
    11 March 2017 13: 42
    Quote: Titsen
    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
    UAZ, gradually ceases to be UAZ ...

    And reading such an interview, you immediately understand why - the deputy general director for development, director of the scientific and technical center of UAZ LLC, Evgeni Galkin, is definitely not a PATRIOT!
    And if PATRIOT, then not Russia!
    The whole interview comes down - yes, the quality of the cars is poor, the population doesn’t like the car, but WE can’t do anything!
    I came up with the phrases:
    - ... in general, the “Patriot” in the UAZ line today is positioned as a crossover or is it a luxury SUV? - So not just high, but high! It has ... heated steering wheel ...
    - A million and thirty thousand ... Is this, you think, inexpensive for a domestic car? - I believe that people are aware that for the money they buy a well-equipped car and this is happiness ...
    HAPPINESS for 1 rubles - I've been dreaming of it all my life (with a pension of 300 rubles!)
    - At the same time, the car remains relatively inexpensive and aimed at the family budget, universal consumption.
    And all this is all for only 1 rubles !!!!
    - the issue of cross-country ability is initially a somewhat philosophical question. The machine, of course, became heavier and higher structurally. Hence the ensuing nuances.
    - In 2014, in the back row, we added ... however, the rear backs are no longer adjustable ...
    - The back door ... What about her sagging? All the same? - Unfortunately, this construction is generally old ... But in a radical way, it is really impossible to solve the problem so far. Moreover, if the car constantly jumps over bumps, then sooner or later the door will sag ...
    - What can you say about sudden corrosion of the body. Many patrick owners also complained about this shortcoming. Did you solve this problem? - Of course, the owners of our three-year-olds can still complain about rust. And indeed, these machines were processed according to an outdated technical process ...
    “... that door-handle torn off by the general has already become a byword.” What then happened? Why did she come off? Did you manage to refine it? - ... in general, the door handle initially for acceptance tests met even higher standards, but I don’t know whether the supplier did something with the material, or something else ...
    Horror SPEAK, WRITE, and we read !!!
    Rush to drive such development managers ....
    TOTALLY !!!!!!
    Or "something else ..." (phrase from the interview)
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  28. +4
    11 March 2017 14: 19
    Sings beautifully". It's no secret that for the most part, cars are bought by city dwellers. And you need to look at what a person can buy for a million and compare this purchase with UAZ. Probably, the comparison will not be in favor of the UAZ. The main problems: price and quality. Well, you can still add distrust. And this is a consequence of the ugly work of advertisers. In general, the department of layout must be dispersed.
    1. 0
      14 March 2017 01: 07
      Quote: rfv0304
      distrust can be added. And this is a consequence of the ugly work of advertisers

      there is already a consequence of NOT the work of the Quality Control Department, etc.
      1. +1
        16 March 2017 01: 17
        What is the quality control department, if reinforced concrete marriage and collective farm are already at the design stage? They thought to remake the tank for as long as 20 years, and you are talking about OTC. There they don’t even smell. UAZ rots like a can already upon leaving the factory. The steering, as it was a collective farm home-made from a tractor, remained.
  29. +2
    11 March 2017 15: 07
    Quote: Fitter65
    From the Japanese car dump-DA. But not new. Let's tell the truth.

    If our auto industry produced as a Japanese car dump, then there was no conversation. And if Kruzak or Pradik is run-free (in the Russian Federation), then UAZ from the assembly line is not correct to compare, if only for the price ......
  30. +2
    11 March 2017 15: 27
    Quote: marshes
    And Need a Diesel.

    I have a diesel engine. I read about the steering wheel heating, but I didn’t see anything about seat heating. Didn’t you really think of designing this, or did I miss it?
    1. +1
      11 March 2017 16: 34
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      I have a diesel engine. I read about the steering wheel heating, but I didn’t see anything about seat heating. Didn’t you really think of designing this, or did I miss it?

      I had Pradik 2.7 turbo-diesel, still the resource compared to gasoline was more, I gave it to my relatives when it was 270 tons, they also rolled 120 tons. And it didn’t strangely smoked. There is a seat heating, it's 100,200 and 470 and 570 , even on my RAF-4. There’s a carbon fiber mesh. I don’t use it myself, but I have covered the seats. For me it’s an extra option, I can bring home mats in the winter for the night, my wife likes it. smile
      I went to Kent for the forest with you, he constantly wore a heated belt, wears it.
  31. +1
    11 March 2017 17: 28
    No matter how the Patriot is Hayali, and Japanese car dumps are not praised, I will say one thing. In July 2008, my Patriot was the 5th (FIFTH) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur. Now without mine there is 4 standing at the entrance. Somehow I look at the lovers of shame on our the auto industry is getting smaller. YES there were 2 new Kruzaks, one 2013, the second one is completely fresh for 16 years. So before the Patriot was a curiosity in the Far East, now every third PATRIOT jeep, even NIWA, has lost ground a bit. Well, the way it is, you sometimes their Kruzak, Prado, Khaysakh, that there is still something, and the orphans of Padzheriki have forgotten, go out and see how many domestic automobile industry there are on the roads. HAYS is cool, this is a popular car, it’s not UAZ. You don’t take bad people, but everyone needs such a car.
    1. +2
      11 March 2017 17: 53
      Quote: Fitter65
      No matter how Patriot Hayali is here, and Japanese car dumps are not praised, I will say one thing. In July 2008, my Patriot was the 5th (FIFTH) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur

      And the first 4 who? And in general, how many cars participated?
      Quote: Fitter65
      .I somehow look at the fans to spoil our car industry less and less. Yes, 2 new Kruzak appeared, one in 2013, the second one is fresh in 16 years. So before the Patriot was a curiosity in the Far East, now every third PATRIOT jeep, even NIWA, has lost ground a bit. and the way it is, you sometimes on your

      Of course, there is no choice. Maybe then again he prays at 469.
      Quote: Fitter65
      Kruzakakh, Prado, Khaysakh, that there’s still something, and the orphans of Padzheriki forgot to go out and see how many domestic automobile industry there are on the roads. People vote in rubles. By the way, my friend was going to buy Patriot for himself, but the truth was that he could not sell his HAYS, but HAYS it’s cool, it’s a popular car, it’s not UAZ. Bad people don’t take it, but everyone needs such a car.

      When you had kipish in Chechnya, Nissan Patrols bought up or hijacked in Kazakhstan in the 90s. They, Czechs, knew what to take. They digest homemade diesel fuel.
      But Padzheriki is a car below the middle class, and in general the Mitsubs suck and there is nothing to compare, except for the Delek 300, they are valuable because of the interior.
    2. +4
      12 March 2017 04: 16
      Quote: Fitter65
      In July 2008, my Patriot was the 5th (FIFTH) in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.
      So are you from Komsomolsk? And what hit you in the head to buy a Patriot?
      Quote: Fitter65
      So before the Patriot was a curiosity in the Far East, now every third PATRIOT jeep, even NIVA, has lost ground a bit.
      Complete and unconditional nonsense. In Primorye, we have Patriots only in government agencies, and not everywhere. Even the Pradiki police. And people like riding on Cruisers, Safariks, Pajers, etc., so riding. I just don’t understand who, in their right mind, would buy an absolutely unreliable piece of threshing floor, having the opportunity to buy a normal Japanese jeep for the same money, albeit a used one.
      1. 0
        16 March 2017 01: 21
        So he probably is the cop))) Therefore, the patriot. The Land Cruiser has not yet stolen)))) But still ahead. Zakharchenko to help - there is something to strive for.
    3. 0
      18 March 2017 19: 55
      that's true its HYSI can not sell, but HAYS is cool, this is a popular car
      in general, those not killed Hayesa did not stay in the drome for a long time. A person who knows when in his right mind Hayes will not change UAZ
  32. +2
    11 March 2017 17: 46
    And still, during crash tests, the driver’s dummy dies
  33. +2
    11 March 2017 18: 09
    It would be more patriotic to call UAZ - PatriotAnd not Patriot. Yes
    1. 0
      16 March 2017 01: 21
      It was more logical to name UAZ-SADOMAZ.
  34. +2
    11 March 2017 19: 18
    I did not know that UAZs are still being produced. Loaves and beans. Nice cars.
    1. 0
      11 March 2017 20: 20
      Quote: Rabinovich
      I did not know that UAZs are still being produced. Loaves and beans. Nice cars.

      You have police driving a Skoda Octavia, a tough car.
      I wonder how you adapted them in the heat.
      1. +2
        11 March 2017 20: 50
        No idea, I don’t know anything about it.
        1. 0
          11 March 2017 21: 09
          Quote: Rabinovich
          No idea, I don’t know anything about it.

          How is it? And on the military-patriotic site? Where is the server in Germany. laughing I "first" visited Telavi laughing and so the road was to Ashdot and I know more than you laughing
          Immediately, the daughter-in-law and brother-in-law of your brother, the older niece gave birth to you. laughing
          1. +2
            11 March 2017 21: 20
            Somehow I didn’t notice what they were driving on, it’s not particularly interesting. Bobby is still cooler with a loaf smile
            So are you Israeli?
            1. +1
              11 March 2017 21: 36
              Quote: Rabinovich
              So are you Israeli?

              Not really, if, according to your law, there can be close relatives. Father is Kazakh mother Marie. laughing The elder brother has a Jewish wife and the mother-in-law lives in Ashdot.
              And the brain of your government services, raped. laughing Since December, trips have become easier. I have open visas in the EU and the USA. laughing
              It was hard for you to get into it, and yet it took evil that I couldn’t get to Jerusalem on a day trip when I was resting in Turkey, my wife went to ethnic Germany. You can’t see Kazakh laughing were early.
              1. +2
                11 March 2017 21: 42
                So you special agent means smile
                And I do not have any visas, I have never been to many places. And what has changed in December?
                I'll go to bed soon, my eyes close. The weather is variable, I feel bad at this time.
                Tomorrow is the Purim festival with us, many will be in costumes walking. The concert will probably be.
                1. 0
                  11 March 2017 21: 55
                  Quote: Rabinovich
                  So you special agent know

                  I'm just KAZAKH.
                  Quote: Rabinovich
                  And I do not have any visas, I have never been to many places. And what has changed in December?

                  Your prime minister came.
                  Quote: Rabinovich
                  I'll go to bed soon, my eyes close. The weather is variable, I feel bad at this time.

                  Goodnight!
                  Quote: Rabinovich
                  Tomorrow is the Purim festival with us, many will be in costumes walking. The concert will probably be.

                  Is that with Iran, or rather with Persia
                  ?! laughing
                  1. +1
                    12 March 2017 07: 35
                    I just KAZAKH

                    Because of this, they were not allowed? weird
                    Goodnight!

                    Thank you, too.
                    Is that with Iran, or rather with Persia
                    ?!

                    This is when the Jews killed the Persians who wanted to destroy them.
                    If interested, here is a brief http://jerudaica.org/mod/book/tool/print/index.ph
                    at id = 418
  35. +2
    11 March 2017 20: 51
    Our, unfortunately, are not yet able to produce high-quality electronics, as well as complex high-tech systems
    Have you tried to contact KRET?
    - The back door ... What about her slack? All the same?
    - Unfortunately, this is generally an old construction. We, of course, strengthened the opening itself. But in a radical way, it’s really not yet possible to solve the problem. In addition, if the car constantly jumps over the bumps, then sooner or later the door will slack ...

    Upgrade the rear bumper and put a “gate” on it. The reserve moves to the gate and the problem disappears immediately.
    In general, it seems that the market is divided into segments assigned to the manufacturer. As a result, ordinary consumers suffer from this nonsense agreement. For example, if GAZ began to produce SUVs

    which would compete with UAZ, the structural problems would begin to be corrected much faster.
    In general, any successful domestic SUV will sooner or later end up in the army, so the article is in the subject.
    1. +1
      16 March 2017 01: 23
      Sensation does not deceive you. In wild capitalism it should be so. Everything is shared by honey by 2,5 players. No choice will be given to you. The fate of the consumer - to buy a rusty outdated bucket at the price of a foreign car.
  36. 0
    11 March 2017 21: 14
    Quote: Titsen
    these machines were processed according to an outdated technical process ...

    Or "technological process" ???? All. Drive out this effective manager !!!
  37. +2
    11 March 2017 21: 42
    Quote: vasilev
    Before the appearance of the "Patriots, there were such prototypes with a brutal design in both civilian and military versions, but alas, because of the events of the 90s, they did not go live, although for the army it would be better" Patriot.

    Pure quasimodes, and the transmission is similar to that of the 3160 ancestors of Patrick, the army needs a Tiger.
  38. +1
    11 March 2017 21: 53
    Quote: anakost
    thousands

    UAZ is the only manufacturer to increase sales in the main crisis at the expense of Patrick, this is statistics.
    1. +4
      12 March 2017 08: 03
      Quote: Pivot
      UAZ is the only manufacturer to increase sales in the main crisis at the expense of Patrick, this is statistics.
      Due to public procurement of the power departments of the Russian Federation, oil industry workers, gas workers, ambulances. Sawing denyushka with the speed of a sawmill. I won’t be surprised if the price soars under a half lama. Official money wassat Buyers go to Geliki, and as far as they drove, it’s for them on the drum. am
    2. 0
      16 March 2017 01: 25
      Well, normal comfortable unbreakable SUVs, thanks to the EdR policy, began to cost quite a bit of space money. A rusty bucket UAZ shove in all law enforcement agencies.
  39. +3
    12 March 2017 01: 47
    I myself saw this year's Patriot (the new one - nowhere is newer) which is already at the car dealership with steering rods (inside) with a touch of rust. How is this possible? And then what will happen ... Fig knows ...
    1. +1
      16 March 2017 01: 26
      This is our homeland. Do not rock the boat! Uncle Dima must eat 2 belly and further - the only way to win.
  40. +3
    12 March 2017 03: 54
    The routine for all automakers restyling is issued as usual for a revolutionary breakthrough. Who is this man trying to trick? It would be better to finish Hunter in terms of comfort, we would get a Russian Gelik. But you can’t look at a patriot without disgust and you won’t be able to drive normally.
    1. +3
      12 March 2017 15: 01
      Hunter - looks dashing, but rides badly. sad Inside - like in a bucket of bolts. Moving glass, as in old trolley buses - the face cannot be pushed out of the window (and in trolley buses it was possible sad ) Tie rods hang down in front of and almost under the axle - until the first good gauge, hemp or frozen block of ice in winter or spring. This concerns the Patriot. Hunting the body of the hunter and loaves is a separate song. In the area of ​​doorways, if you look closely at the specimens that are in the salons, sometimes there are slits the thickness of a finger, where the metal sheets of the body do not fit together. Where they fit together - the quality of welding is sometimes as if from a village workshop, and not from an official automobile plant. You look, and you do not believe your eyes ... request
  41. +1
    12 March 2017 09: 01
    Quote: Pivot
    the army needs a tiger.
    That is, staff cars, cars of military commanders should also be armored cars?
    1. 0
      12 March 2017 11: 26
      carry a colonel in the armored car? A vest instead of a horse identity on the Tiger?
      1. 0
        12 March 2017 12: 54
        So I ask Pivota about it.
        1. +1
          13 March 2017 00: 26
          The colonel should walk if with a stomach. In general, the headquarters used to go on the Volga, let them drive on the West
          1. 0
            22 May 2017 17: 36
            And even earlier, the horse drove them and only the Soviet government put them on carriages))) Give motorcycles to the Army
  42. 0
    12 March 2017 09: 38
    After that: http://amsrus.ru/2014/10/17/uaz-patriot-kontsentr
    at-myisley / no longer see in UAZ, SUV ...
  43. +1
    13 March 2017 11: 01
    On RenTV in the transfer, the Ministry of Transport of the Patriot was tested, so the main run-in was for tightness. At the sink, water through the closed door glass of the shurovil be healthy! And about the back door I won’t believe what cannot be done so that it doesn’t sag. You just have to make cars AS YOURSELF, then everything will be fine. In the meantime, there will be "WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR 1 MILLION?" and we will ride on buckets with bolts. With electronics and various chips, the campaign is too much, but what is necessary was not done. I consider the steering wheel unnecessary, but an electric furnace is simply necessary in our conditions. And then 1 million. It is obviously expensive for a domestic car - well, where are such prices from? It should not cost more than 700 thousand rubles in full mincemeat, then buyers will line up behind it.
    1. +2
      16 March 2017 01: 30
      A bunch of components are bought for dollars from foreign manufacturers. Hence the price increase following the rise of the dollar. Do not forget that greedy ghouls-owners always only increase prices and never lower. This is a characteristic quality of domestic ghouls-bourgeois. Bandits, racketeers and thieves do not know how and do not want to.
  44. +3
    14 March 2017 00: 32
    a million and kopecks for UAZ, guys, you’ve completely perked up. for that kind of money to get falling off handles, both outside and inside, two finger wide slots, with the creak of what should not creak at all, after 15 thousand km.? no. thank. if it weren’t for the state booth and the supply to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, healthcare and the Moscow Region, you would have drowned a long time ago.
  45. 0
    14 March 2017 17: 31
    with all this, a valid SUV is an excessive comfort of the load, and unreasonably expensive for an SUV for the people
    1. +1
      16 March 2017 01: 31
      You do not understand. Capitalism is not for the people. Especially in Russia.
  46. 0
    16 March 2017 13: 33
    A climate that does not warm in the winter, navigation that is dull and buggy, leather seats that are killed in the trash for 10 thousand, handling ... And most importantly, as Autoreview showed, it is practically impossible to survive in it.

    In any case, they wanted to make a crossover from oak 469, this is their problem. The same TLC100 ten-year-old for the same money will be more reliable, safer, more comfortable.
  47. 0
    April 19 2017 12: 02
    The back door is made of two halves, as on an old Kruzak. Is that a big challenge for the plant?
    1. 0
      22 May 2017 17: 41
      Again I won’t reveal a military secret - the fucking complexity, last year we manually drilled hinges on the door, turners instead of their work did archival work - holes hinged on the door, and you say the door is in two halves, it’s necessary to cut the ones with a hacksaw and process it with a file , fix the locks, and then even fit into the body ... no end.
  48. 0
    6 June 2017 08: 39
    For 700 mp it was still possible to buy, lend, podshamanit and, in principle, it was worth it. However ... for 1300 tr.? It’s better to save some money and take something from foreign cars.
  49. 0
    30 June 2017 09: 19
    The military 469 is not gear, but portal bridges.
  50. 0
    2 December 2017 16: 13
    They said a lot of “sweets”, but to solve a simple problem, so that the back door to the other side opens, so that it would be easier to load and unload the trunk from the sidewalk, well, they won’t do it! As the cat Matroskin said: "We have enough funds! We have not enough mind!" So what?