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10 Soviet space achievements, which are deleted by the West from history

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10 Soviet space achievements, which are deleted by the West from history



It is well known that the Soviet Union was the first to launch into space a satellite, a living creature and man. During the space race, the USSR as far as possible sought to overtake and overtake America. There were victories, there were defeats, but the younger generation, which grew up after the collapse of the USSR, already knows little about it, because space success, according to the Internet, is a lot of "strong, similar to superheroes, American astronauts." But do not forget that the Soviet cosmonautics made ...

10. The first flight around the moon

Launched on 2 on January 1959, the satellite Luna-1 was the first spacecraft to successfully reach the moon. The 360-kilogram spacecraft, which bore the Soviet coat of arms, was supposed to reach the surface of the moon and demonstrate the superiority of Soviet science. However, the satellite missed, having passed in 6000 kilometers from the lunar surface. The probe released a cloud of sodium vapor, which for some time glowed so brightly that it allowed tracking the movement of the satellite.

"Luna-1" was at least the fifth attempt by the Soviet Union to land on the moon, secret information about previous unsuccessful attempts are stored in folders "Top Secret".

Compared with modern space probes, the Luna-1 was extremely primitive. He did not have his own engine, and power supply was limited to the use of primitive batteries. The probe also had no cameras. Signals from the probe stopped coming three days after launch.

9. The first flyby of another planet

Launched on February 12 on the 1961, the Soviet space probe Venus-1 was to make a hard landing on Venus. This was the second attempt by the USSR to launch a probe to Venus. The descent capsule "Venus-1" was also supposed to deliver the Soviet coat of arms on the planet. Although most of the probe, as expected, was supposed to burn when it entered the atmosphere, the Soviet Union hoped that the lowered capsule would reach the surface, which would automatically make the USSR the first country to reach the surface of another planet.

The launch and the first communication sessions with the probe were successful, the first three sessions indicated the normal operation of the probe, but the fourth took place five days late and showed a malfunction in one of the systems. In the end, contact was lost when the probe was at a distance of about 2 millions of kilometers from Earth. The spacecraft drifted in space at a distance of 100000 kilometers from Venus and was unable to obtain data for course correction.

8. The first spacecraft, photographed the reverse side of the moon

Launched on October 4 1959, the satellite Luna-3 was the third spacecraft successfully launched to the Moon. Unlike the two previous probes, the Luna-3 was equipped with a camera for photographing. The task that was set before the scientists was to use a probe to take a photograph of the far side of the moon, which at that time had not yet been photographed.

The camera was primitive and complex. The spacecraft could only take 40 photographs that were to be taken, developed, and dried on a spacecraft. Then the onboard cathode-ray tube was to scan the developed images and transmit the data to Earth. The radio transmitter was so weak that the first attempts to transmit images failed. When the probe, having made a revolution around the moon, approached the Earth, 17 photographs of not very high quality were obtained.

However, scientists were excited about what they found in the image. Unlike the visible side of the moon, which was flat, on the back side were mountains and unknown dark areas.

7. The first successful landing on another planet

17 August 1970 was launched spacecraft "Venus-7", one of two Soviet twin spaceships. After a soft landing on the surface of Venus, the probe had to deploy the transmitter to transmit data to Earth, setting a record as the first successful landing on another planet and to survive in the atmosphere of Venus, the descent vehicle cooled to -8 degrees Celsius. Soviet scientists also wanted the descent module to remain at rest as long as possible. Therefore, it was decided that the capsule at the time of entry into the atmosphere of Venus will be docked with the carrier until the resistance of the atmosphere causes them to separate.

"Venus-7" entered the atmosphere as planned, but 29 minutes before touching the surface of the brake parachute could not stand it and broke. Initially it was considered that the descent vehicle could not withstand the impact, but later analysis of the recorded signals showed that the probe transmitted temperature readings from the surface of the planet within 23 minutes after landing, as the engineers who designed the spacecraft expected.

6. The first artificial object on the surface of Mars

Mars-2 and Mars-3, twin spaceships, were launched one day apart in May 1971. Revolving in orbit around Mars, they had to map its surface. In addition, it was planned to launch launch vehicles from these space ships. Soviet scientists hoped that these landing capsules would become the first man-made objects on the surface of Mars.

However, the Americans were ahead of the USSR, the first to reach the orbit of Mars. Mariner 9, which also launched in May 1971, reached Mars two weeks earlier and became the first spacecraft in Mars orbit. Upon arrival, both American and Soviet probes found that Mars was covered with a common dust curtain, which prevented data collection.

Although the descent vehicle Mars-2 crashed, the descent vehicle Mars-3 successfully landed and began transmitting data. But after 20 seconds the transmission stopped, only photos with little visible details and low light were transmitted. Probably, the failure occurred due to a major sandstorm on Mars, which did not allow the Soviet apparatus to take the first clear pictures of the Martian surface.

5. First return automated system that delivered samples

NASA had stones from the lunar surface, delivered by astronauts from Apollo. The Soviet Union, having failed to first land people on the moon, was determined to overtake the Americans with the help of an automated space probe to collect lunar soil and deliver it to Earth. The first Soviet probe "Luna-15" crashed while landing. The following five attempts failed near the Earth due to problems with the launch vehicle. However, the sixth Soviet probe Luna-16 was successfully launched.

Having landed near the Sea of ​​Plenty, the Soviet station took samples of lunar soil and placed them in a returnable vehicle, which started and returned with samples to Earth. When the sealed container was opened, the Soviet scientists received only 101 grams of lunar soil, against kilogram 22, delivered to Apollo-11. Soviet samples were carefully examined, it was found that the structure of the soil is close to wet sand in its qualities, but this was the first successful return of the automatic descent vehicle.

4. The first spacecraft for three people

Launched on October 12 1964, the Voskhod-1 was the first spacecraft to be able to deliver more than one person to space. Although Voskhod was announced by the Soviet Union as a new spacecraft, in fact, it was a modernized version of the same apparatus that Yuri Gagarin delivered to space. However, for the Americans, who did not even have two-person crews at the time, this sounded impressive.

Soviet designers considered Voskhod unsafe. They continued to object to its use until the government bribed them with a proposal to send one of the constructors as an astronaut into orbit. However, in terms of safety, the design of the spacecraft had a number of serious complaints.

First of all, it was impossible to emergency astronauts with an unsuccessful launch, since it was not possible to construct a hatch for each astronaut.

Secondly, the astronauts in the capsule were so crowded that they could not wear space suits. As a result, in the event of depressurization, they would have died.

Third, the new landing system, consisting of two parachutes and a brake motor, was tested only once before the flight.

Finally, the astronauts had to follow a diet before the flight, so that the total weight of the astronauts and the capsule was small enough to launch the rocket.

Taking into account all these serious difficulties, it was just amazing that the flight went flawlessly.

3. The first person of African descent in space

18 September 1980 of the year “Soyuz-38” flew to the orbital space station Salyut-6. On board were the Soviet cosmonaut and the Cuban pilot Arnaldo Tamayo Mendez, who became the first man of African descent who went into space. His flight was part of the Soviet program Intercosmos, which allowed other countries to participate in Soviet space flights.

Mendez remained on board the Salyut-6 only for a week, but he conducted more 24 experiments in chemistry and biology. We studied its metabolism, the structure of the electrical activity of the brain, and the change in the shape of the bones of the legs under weightless conditions. Upon returning to Earth, Mendes was awarded the title "Hero of the Soviet Union" - the highest award of the USSR.

Since Mendez was not an American, America did not consider this an achievement, so for the USA, the first African-American in space in 1983 was Guyon Stewart Blueford, a member of the Challenger shuttle crew.

2. First docking with a dead space object

11 February 1985 was silenced by the Soviet space station Salyut-7. There was a cascade of short circuits at the station, which turned off all its electrical systems and plunged the Salyut-7 into a dead frozen state.

In an attempt to save the Salyut-7 of the USSR, they sent two cosmonaut veterans to repair the station. The automated docking system did not work, so the astronauts had to come close enough to try to do the docking in manual mode. Fortunately, the station was stationary and the cosmonauts were able to dock, for the first time demonstrating that it was possible to dock with any object in space, even if it was dead and out of control.

The crew reported that inside the station is covered with mold, the walls were overgrown with icicles, and the temperature was -10 degrees Celsius. The space station restoration work took several days, the crew had to check hundreds of cables to determine the source of a fault in the electrical circuit, but they succeeded.

1. The first human victims in space

30 June 1971, the Soviet Union looked forward to the return of the world's three first astronauts who spent more than 23 days in orbit. But when the capsule landed, there was no signal from the crew inside. Opening the hatch, the ground servicemen found three dead astronauts with blue dark spots on their faces and blood from the nose and ears. What happened?

According to the investigation, the tragedy occurred immediately after the separation of the descent vehicle from the orbital module. The valve in the descent vehicle remained open and in less than two minutes all the air escaped from the capsule. When the pressure dropped, astronauts quickly suffocated, unable to find and close the valve before they lost consciousness and died.

There were other deaths, but they occurred during launch and passing through the atmosphere. The accident of the Soyuz-11 spacecraft occurred at an altitude of 168 kilometers, when the astronauts were still in space, making them the first, and so far the only, dead in space.

So remember history. She knows both victories and failures, and do not let anyone doubt that you live in a great country.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 4 March 2017 15: 09 New
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    Achievements that are considered unshakable for us can be very simply rewritten. Therefore, do not expect mercy from them, we must seek respect for our country and the people who have achieved all this.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 4 March 2017 16: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Teberii
      we must earn respect ourselves

      Do we need their respect?
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 4 March 2017 21: 17 New
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      Auto RU.

      I did not understand the couple.

      Who or what was the Soviet Union supposed to catch up in space?

      It is the USSR that ALL its life has been a leader in space from beginning to end. They all caught up with him and could not catch up. Neither the United States nor China.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 29 January 2018 20: 16 New
        +1
        You need to run as fast just to stay in place, but to get somewhere, you must run at least twice as fast!

        That's the whole answer.
        List of disappeared empires needed?
        As soon as development is slowed down, the more active ones bypass and, suddenly, it turns out that achievements have become agitated.
        Forget about the USSR! All! The train left! Or we sit in another, at least at the same speed, or we walk and find ourselves far behind the rest!
        Yes, the USSR was ahead in some ways, in some ways behind in space affairs, but now the USSR is over, we live in Russia, but something is not particularly visible.
    3. Archon
      Archon 5 March 2017 04: 33 New
      0
      they must be registered in foreign literature. for example, in the English part of Wikipedia. it will give a lot.
      1. kig
        kig 19 June 2017 15: 49 New
        +1
        Yes, please, as much as you like:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_16
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_programme
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_2

        etc. For starters, you yourself would try looking for them on the English Wiki.
  2. NEXUS
    NEXUS 4 March 2017 15: 13 New
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    Anglo-Saxons are trying to rewrite the results of the Second World War, what can we say about space ...
    1. fa2998
      fa2998 4 March 2017 16: 23 New
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      Yes, no one is trying to belittle the achievement of the USSR in space. But all these achievements date back to the Khrushchev-Brezhnev period! We already half the country do not know who they are. Yes, and technology let down the Soviet scientists. Since then, decades have passed, the technology has become more complicated, already by Mars rovers run on Mars, devices land on comets, fly to distant planets, and we all circle around the Earth, on the royal "seven". request hi
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 5 March 2017 08: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: fa2998
        . Yes and technology let down the Soviet scientists.

        Only Soviet scientists? Where are the American shuttles? Where is Apollo 1?
      2. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 2 May 2017 13: 43 New
        0
        If the conceived apparatus does its job at an acceptable level, there is no point in changing it. Change for change? Bicycle for 100 years has not changed in its mechanical part, but in fact we use ...
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 29 January 2018 20: 27 New
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          Quoted above L. Carol.
          Quote: IrbenWolf
          Bicycle for 100 years has not changed in its mechanical part, but in fact we use ...
          Well ... not quite so: you can, of course, use an option that has not changed over the past 100 years, but ... other materials have come, the construct has been polished. The bicycle has become much more convenient, easier.
          AMO-F-15 may well replace the Gazelle. Why not release?
  3. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 4 March 2017 15: 15 New
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    1. The first human victims in space

    Achievement? wassat Author stop smoking grass wassat
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 4 March 2017 15: 24 New
      +9
      Quote: BlackMokona
      1. The first human victims in space

      Achievement? wassat Author stop smoking grass wassat

      Yes there are tops - more than half.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 March 2017 15: 30 New
        +6
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Achievement? Author stop smoking grass

        I also liked it wassat
        3.First person of African descent in space
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 4 March 2017 15: 55 New
          +6
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          The first person of African descent in space

          Yeah. One of. :)
          "There is reason to believe that Moses could be a black man. Sorry, African American."
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 4 March 2017 16: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Avis
            Sorry, African American. "

            It's okay, I live in Russia and we don’t be lynched for it, and even Negroes, or rather, they don’t take offense. We have African students studying at the Medical Institute, and I and I two got together from there somehow on completely medical issues and at the Grushinsky festival I’ve found out a specialist on this topic --- they don’t care, and it’s good and pleasant to study in Russia because it turned out to be young and very smart girls. Oh, it was a long time ago, and probably our warm and cheerful company is still remembered and somewhere in the hot Limpopo))).
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 4 March 2017 16: 54 New
              +5
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              Quote: Avis
              Sorry, African American. "

              It's okay, I live in Russia and we are not lynched for it, and even blacks, or rather black people are not offended.

              Yes, this is a retelling of a mocking joke (by the way, an American one), and not my words. The quotes are the same.
              I myself also don’t understand how it is - there are blacks, but there are no blacks. ("How so? Ass is, but not a word ?!" © Faina Ranevskaya).
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 4 March 2017 17: 01 New
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                Yes, I understand that it is joke. In general, writing does not convey shades well, I myself suffer from it. Everything is OK, as African Americans say)))
    2. ohtandur
      ohtandur 6 March 2017 14: 42 New
      +7
      a strange set of achievements. And where is the first woman in space Valentina Teershkova? And where is the first spacewalk? And the Mir orbital station? There are many other important achievements significant so far.
  4. tracer
    tracer 4 March 2017 15: 32 New
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    Believe "they" do not know and do not want to know anything about our victories. For these gentlemen we are all the same dirty barbarians. I remember how a friend was called to school for his son, because he explained to the teacher in the lesson that the Soviet Union won the war, the first man in space was Gagarin, the table of elements was made by Mendeleev. NO WICKIES CONVINCED THESE TEACHERS. My growing graduates from school, knowing the truth, but says exactly what they want to hear in the classroom. And although Russian immigrants are usually the best students, Russians are stupid and evil barbarians. We ourselves in Russia must not forget the achievements of our country and our people. Raising children appropriately.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 4 March 2017 16: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: tracer
      I remember how a friend was called to school for his son

      Hmm, why does a friend torment himself in Canada, poor thing? Or where is it?
      Quote: tracer
      because he explained in the lesson to the teacher that the Soviet Union won the war

      Sorry, I did not understand. Did this child deny the existence of an anti-Hitler coalition, or a teacher? By the way, the denial of the existence of the anti-Hitler coalition (that is, "the Anglo-Americans pretended to be good, but actually ...") is a constant topic of Russian-speaking Internet frauds.
      Quote: tracer
      the first man in space was Gagarin,

      And what was the teacher’s version?
      Quote: tracer
      a table of elements compiled by Mendeleev

      The word "made up" is unsuccessful.
      The Russian chemist Dmitri Mendeleev published the first widely recognized periodic table in 1869

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table
      Did the teacher have an alternative version?
      Did the child definitely not do his own historical review?
      1. tracer
        tracer 4 March 2017 17: 53 New
        +8
        1. A friend is "torturing himself" already in the Donbas. Sometimes coming back with news.
        2. The first astronaut in Space was ALAN Shepard. (according to the American version)
        3. The periodic system is simply a "periodic table", it has always always been everything. Mendeleev has nothing to do with it.
        Immediately a video that you have never encountered the western education system.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 4 March 2017 18: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: tracer
          A friend is "torturing himself" already in Donbas

          So that's where the invaders from NATO countries come from)))))
          It is not surprising, by the way, that a child from such a family could not agree with a Canadian teacher.
          Quote: tracer
          The first astronaut in Space was ALAN Shepard. (according to the American version)

          Where can I find this version?
          On April 12, 1961, Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin had become the first person in space, and the first to orbit the Earth

          On May 5, 1961, Shepard piloted the Mercury-Redstone 3 mission and became the second person, and the first American, to travel into space

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Shepard
          Quote: tracer
          The periodic system is simply a “periodic table”, it has always been everything.

          And what's the catch? If the theorem on the sum of squares is not called in the textbook the Pythagorean theorem, then are the Americans trying to belittle the Greeks? According to Mendeleev, is there any other, racially faithful author of the table, a black transgender?
          Quote: tracer
          Immediately a video that you have never encountered the western education system.

          Yes, there was no such experience. However, for the works of foreign authors that I came across, it is difficult to assume that they were all written with the sole purpose of humiliating the Russians and the USSR. Moreover, it seems that only feminists and ecologists have achieved monopolies on the only true point of view. On other issues pluralism is allowed.
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        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 March 2017 11: 54 New
          +1
          "periodic table" just always had everything. Mendeleev nothing to do with "////

          In Israel, they study according to such a table.
          If you ask who invented, Mendeleev will be called. But she ain't called him
          by name. “Union” is not called “Queen’s rocket”. Although he could.
          Not everyone is lucky with perpetuation.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 5 March 2017 13: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: voyaka uh
            If you ask who invented, Mendeleev will be called.

            Well, in Israel it's easier. It is enough to add that Mendeleev secretly visited the synagogue))))))
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 5 March 2017 13: 25 New
              +3
              There is a whole conspiracy about this bully . Due to a somewhat unusual surname. Although the great scientist was an ardent Orthodox Christian.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 5 March 2017 13: 33 New
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                was a fervent Orthodox Christian.

                Disguised.
                I came up with vodka specifically to genocide the goyim. Dulles plan, all that drinks
  5. tomket
    tomket 4 March 2017 15: 42 New
    +6
    I would like to ask, but in general, is the author an adequate person? Putting the tragic death of astronauts on the first line of his rating, he puts it mildly, doubting its adequacy, or simply - another degenerate.
  6. Cat man null
    Cat man null 4 March 2017 15: 53 New
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    It seemed to me alone that the author was trying to concentrate cheat denigrate everything related to astronautics in the USSR?

    Either examples of unsuccessful or "partially successful" missions are given, with an emphasis on "well, at least something worked out", or in general some kind of garbage like "the first black in space" ...

    Author minus in karma, KG / AM. Something like this request
    1. Curious
      Curious 4 March 2017 16: 10 New
      +3
      No, not one. I did not understand at all who was going to take the USSR’s priorities in space exploration from the USSR?
      Who generally skips such materials in a publication? Now is spring, aggravation of many. But do not let everything into print. There are narrow specialists who are paid for listening to such a thing. And the reader.
  7. Octopus
    Octopus 4 March 2017 16: 19 New
    +7
    To go nuts, of course. Some strange head by the author.
    achievements that the West erases from history

    1. The first human victims in space

    I will not say for the whole West, but personally, I have never heard anyone dispute “achievements” of this kind. Honestly, I have not even heard that the question of primacy in such matters is of particular interest to anyone. I can hardly imagine the dispute "We lost people first" - "But we lost more of them, we got them into the shuttle more at a time." The remaining "achievements that are crossed out" from the same series. And what
    The Soviet Union was the first to launch a satellite into space, a living being and man.

    it is well known and by no one, of the sane people, is in dispute.
    You live in a great country.

    I don’t know what country the author lives in, but I do not live in the USSR. RF, bad or good, not the USSR for sure. It’s strange for me to cling to other people's affairs.
  8. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 4 March 2017 16: 54 New
    +3
    The headline is bad. Who crossed out what and where? Everything is in the chronicle of space exploration., This is a planetary matter.
  9. All terrain vehicle
    All terrain vehicle 4 March 2017 17: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: fa2998
    Yes, no one is trying to belittle the achievement of the USSR in space. But all these achievements date back to the Khrushchev-Brezhnev period! We already half the country do not know who they are. Yes, and technology let down the Soviet scientists. Since then, decades have passed, the technology has become more complicated, already by Mars rovers run on Mars, devices land on comets, fly to distant planets, and we all circle around the Earth, on the royal "seven". request hi

    I recommend to watch, and in general a very interesting channel
  10. Alisher
    Alisher 4 March 2017 18: 00 New
    +8
    It seems that this is just a text translated from English. They definitely need to make a list of 10 disasters, 10 most-most, etc.
    And the numbering is from 10 to 1, as in the charts.
    And the choice of achievements is doubtful - "The first person of African descent" is only interesting to an American. Where is man's first spacewalk? And the first long-term orbital station? And the lunar rover? And if about death in space, then it is necessary to start with Laika - the first animal put into orbit on Earth, November 3, 1957, died from overheating, but there was still no system of salvation.
  11. 1536
    1536 4 March 2017 18: 24 New
    +3
    History can be rewritten when the census takers are presented with a blank copybook. This is done for various reasons, mostly mercantile, while trying to forget your story, start it with a "clean slate".
    Let's see, for example, how to celebrate the anniversary of the world's first woman-cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova, who flew into space on June 16 1963 of the year. She 6 March marks 80 years. Will they remember? After all, it is believed that the first woman in space was Sally Ryde. She visited there 20 years after Valentina Tereshkova, only in 1983 (!) Year. However, the entire "civilized world" considers the first American. Why? Yes, because we are not fighting for our heroes! We only know that to engage in self-flagellation, and idiocy, such as counting accidents in various articles and television shows.
  12. Mentor
    Mentor 4 March 2017 19: 47 New
    +8
    To my sincere regret, the author cannot put a minus. I will not touch upon the immorality of the author, who put the death of people in the first place, but he apparently did not hear anything about the death of Komarov. The author does not know anything about Luna-2, which first reached a different cosmic body, about Luna-9, about Venus-4, 5 ... About Soyuz-4 and 5 ...
    In general, I do not understand the author who made a poor translation from English, and the reason for placing this article on topvar.
  13. Old26
    Old26 4 March 2017 20: 48 New
    +8
    The stupidest. completely idiotic article title - 10 Soviet achievements, crossed out by the West. The author also considered the death of astronauts an achievement ???

    10. The first flight around the moon

    Since when did Luna-1 fly around the moon ??? Having missed 6000 km, it entered a heliocentric orbit with orbital parameters: apocenter 1,315 AU and pericenter 0,9766 AU Circulation period 450 days
    Author!!! The first lunar to fly around the moon was AMS Luna-3 (it was the 7th station of the lunar series)

    Luna-1 was at least the fifth attempt of the Soviet Union to land on the moon, secret information about previous unsuccessful attempts is stored in the Top Secret folders

    Luna 1 was the fourth station in the Lunar Series. Before her, stations were launched, known as Luna-1a, Luna-1b, and Luna-1s. Secret data previous failed attempts are stored in folders "Top secret" probably only the author. Others know that all three stations were lost as a result of explosions of launch vehicles at 87, 104 and 245 seconds of flight, respectively.
    In principle, I can print some information, put it in a folder, put on the folder the stamp "Top Secret. Of Special Importance" and claim that all this is top-secret data

    9. The first flyby of another planet
    Launched on February 12, 1961, the Soviet space probe Venus-1 was supposed to make a hard landing on Venus .... The spacecraft drifted in space at a distance of 100000 kilometers from Venus and was unable to obtain data for course correction.


    And this is called the flyby of Venus ??? Overshot her at a distance of 100 km ??? And having gone into the heliocentric orbit ??? Oh well. Author!!!! Teach the materiel. If we talk about the first flyby of another planet, then the first station can rightfully be called "Moon-000"

    8. The first spacecraft, photographed the reverse side of the moon
    Launched on October 4, 1959, the Luna-3 satellite

    What. Here you wrote correctly. The only question is, what, this achievement is deleted by the Americans from history ???? Exactly ??? They told you this themselves ???

    7. The first successful landing on another planet
    On August 17, 1970, the Venera-7 spacecraft launched

    There are no questions but one. And what, and this achievement is deleted by Americans from history ????

    6. The first artificial object on the surface of Mars
    Mars-2 and Mars-3, twin spaceships, were launched one day apart in May 1971. Revolving in orbit around Mars, they had to map its surface. In addition, it was planned to launch launch vehicles from these space ships. Soviet scientists hoped that these landing capsules would become the first man-made objects on the surface of Mars.

    However, the Americans were ahead of the USSR, the first to reach the orbit of Mars. Mariner 9, which also launched in May 1971, reached Mars two weeks earlier and became the first spacecraft in Mars orbit. Upon arrival, both American and Soviet probes found that Mars was covered with a common dust curtain, which prevented data collection.

    All right.

    5. First return automated system that delivered samples

    I repeat the question. And the Americans delete this achievement from history ???

    4. The first spacecraft for three people

    And what did the Americans delete from the history of space? This ersatz ship was an attempt to launch the first multi-seat ship. The Americans have already launched an unmanned "Jameny 1", which was planned as a double. It was necessary to "surpass" the Americans. Outdid. Launched a triple on the verge of a foul

    3. The first person of African descent in space
    September 18, 1980 Soyuz-38 flew to the Salyut-6 orbital space station. On board were the Soviet astronaut and Cuban pilot Arnaldo Tamayo Mendes, who became the first man of African descent to go into space.
    Since Mendez was not an American, America did not consider this an achievement, so for the USA, the first African-American in space in 1983 was Guyon Stewart Blueford, a member of the Challenger shuttle crew.


    The only Soviet achievement that is disputed by the Americans. laughing Outstanding achievement. We drove the "brotherly" astronauts

    2. First docking with a dead space object
    11 February 1985 was silenced by the Soviet space station Salyut-7. There was a cascade of short circuits at the station, which turned off all its electrical systems and plunged the Salyut-7 into a dead frozen state.

    In an attempt to save the Salyut-7 of the USSR, they sent two cosmonaut veterans to repair the station. The automated docking system did not work, so the astronauts had to come close enough to try to do the docking in manual mode. Fortunately, the station was stationary and the cosmonauts were able to dock, for the first time demonstrating that it was possible to dock with any object in space, even if it was dead and out of control.


    In fact, the first docking with the "dead" space object was a little earlier. In 1966, when the docking was carried out with the “target” - the “Ajena” stage by the crew of the “Dzhemeni-8”
    Of course, the attempt to save the station was unique, no one argues here. But the dock was not the first

    1. The first human victims in space
    30 June 1971, the Soviet Union looked forward to the return of the world's three first astronauts who spent more than 23 days in orbit. But when the capsule landed, there was no signal from the crew inside. Opening the hatch, the ground servicemen found three dead astronauts with blue dark spots on their faces and blood from the nose and ears. What happened?

    Damn, and this author considers an achievement? And does someone dispute him? In addition, to be precise, the first victim of the race in space was Valentin Bondarenko, burned out during training.
    The next was the Apollo 1 crew, burned out at the start during training. The first dead during a space flight was Komarov on Soyuz-1, only in fourth place was the crew of Soyuz-11

    Quote: Mentor
    To my sincere regret, the author cannot put a minus. I will not touch upon the immorality of the author, who put the death of people in the first place, but he apparently did not hear anything about the death of Komarov. The author does not know anything about Luna-2, which first reached a different cosmic body, about Luna-9, about Venus-4, 5 ... About Soyuz-4 and 5 ...
    In general, I do not understand the author who made a poor translation from English, and the reason for placing this article on topvar.

    Comrad. I also regret that you can not put a minus. Rest. In principle, one can agree not with some of his “achievements”. Unfortunately, Luna-2 crashed into the moon. Moreover, the kinetic energy of the impact was such that, as the specialists believe, the station simply evaporated. Venus-4 and Venus-5 - unfortunately they sat on the surface in an idle state, they were crushed by pressure. Soyuz-4 and Soyuz-5 were both manageable
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 4 March 2017 23: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      8. The first spacecraft, photographed the reverse side of the moon
      Launched on October 4, 1959, the Luna-3 satellite
      What. Here you wrote correctly. The only question is, what, this achievement is deleted by the Americans from history ????

      Well, here the author is right. Since the Moon is after the Americans, the Soviet program does not care for them much like the Russian-speaking comrades - Shepard’s flight. That is, not what is crossed out, they simply are not interested. You can understand and forgive.
      Quote: Old26
      5. First return automated system that delivered samples
      I repeat the question. And the Americans delete this achievement from history ???

      And that too.
      Quote: Old26
      7. The first successful landing on another planet
      .
      There are no questions but one. And what, and this achievement is deleted by Americans from history ????

      Crossed out, crossed out. And I agree. I consider the Moon to be a planet (although officially the satellite is not a planet, the planet should revolve around a star or its remnants), so the "first successful landing on another planet" in the 70th is not to the cash register.
      The first person of African descent in space

      This is exactly translated text! In addition, illiterate.

      What personally hooked me
      Fortunately, the station was stationary

      Fixed b *!
    2. Octopus
      Octopus 4 March 2017 23: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      If we talk about the first flyby of another planet, then the first station can rightfully be called "Moon-3"

      Strictly speaking, it is impossible. The moon is not a planet.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 5 March 2017 00: 51 New
        +1
        Octopus

        Sincerely, but there is no reason to believe that the American lunar program was real. Too much doubt about her.

        There are enough provocative things in US history.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 5 March 2017 01: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: gladcu2
          Sincerely, but there is no reason to believe that the American lunar program was real. Too much doubt about her.

          Oh well.
          "Americans are trying to rewrite," "Americans are trying to cross out," "Americans are not flying to the moon."
          These ideas are perfectly combined with each other.

          By the way, if you are not in the know. The "moon conspiracy" was invented by the Americans.
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D1%83%D0%BD%
          D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%
          D0% BE% D1% 80
          Interestingly, in both America and Russia, the Lunar Conspiracy is one of the malignant forms of "patriotism." Only in America do “patriots” fight their own government (“plutocrats”, “Washington dictatorship”, etc.), and in Russia - mainly against a stranger.
        2. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 5 March 2017 09: 05 New
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          Well, yes, the delirium of the widow of a Hollywood director was suddenly more significant than the results of lunar expeditions.
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 5 March 2017 09: 48 New
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            If you are talking about Christiana Kubrick, she did not say anything on this topic. This is Petrosyansky.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Mo
            on_ (film)
            https://youtu.be/4toI9Ujv-pw
            1. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 5 March 2017 11: 38 New
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              Why then all this verbal garbage about a staged visit to the moon?
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 5 March 2017 12: 32 New
                +1
                Again. The theme "the government is lying to us" was invented by American madmen. This is their constant topic, which began far from the moon, only specific examples are changing - UFOs, the Fed conspiracy, whatever. Coming up with nu about your government is an American national sport, like baseball.
                An interview with K. Kubrick was mounted in 2002 by French Urgants, such as fasting.
                1. Aviator_
                  Aviator_ 5 March 2017 14: 11 New
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                  So this is such French humor? Why is she not suing them for discrediting the "bright name of Kubrick"? Maybe persuaded?
                  1. Octopus
                    Octopus 5 March 2017 14: 15 New
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                    1. It is clearly stated in the credits that the film is satirical, and the interviews are filmed with actors or remounted.
                    2. To sue clowns is not the most profitable tactic. Streisand effect, etc.
                    1. Aviator_
                      Aviator_ 5 March 2017 18: 14 New
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                      The stupidity of society is astounding. So the adaptation of N.V. Gogol's "The Night Before Christmas" (the film "Evenings on a Farm near Dikanka", 1961 g) can be considered evidence of the vigorous activity of the Little Russians in the near (hell - Moon) and far (Solokha - stars) space.
  14. cedar
    cedar 4 March 2017 20: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: tracer
    Immediately a video that you have never encountered the western education system.


    This is not a system. This is an anti-system that puts everything upside down. It creates an unsupported, illusory state of consciousness, which can be twisted, as you like, which they do with success ... the owners of money, and possibly already of our planet ...
    Space exploration is clearly not a priority for them, but the reduction of earthlings to 500 individuals is relevant and the main lie, in this murderous project, is the main weapon.
    We see in the root, dear earthlings.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 4 March 2017 20: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: cedar
      the owners of money, and perhaps already of our planet ...
      Space exploration is clearly not a priority for them, but reduction of earthlings to 500 000 individuals - this is relevant and the main lie in this murderous project is the main weapon

      - I heard right? belay
      - yet to 500 000??!

      No, I don’t have a drink request

      cedar, I am ashamed that you are an earthling ... see already at the root already stop
  15. free
    free 4 March 2017 21: 55 New
    +1
    the author forgot the first orbital station
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 5 March 2017 09: 03 New
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      He does not know what it is. In the training manual was not indicated.
  16. Flinky
    Flinky 4 March 2017 22: 34 New
    +1
    From its own history, the West can cross out what it wants.
    From our history, dust is swallowed.
  17. sergo1914
    sergo1914 4 March 2017 23: 40 New
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    Dzhanibekov Vladimir Alexandrovich. Docking in manual mode with a dead Salute. NOBODY AND NEVER DOED IT AND WILL NOT DO.
    PS However, perhaps he is not a man at all. The world's first alien - GSS. Man is not able to make a manual dock in outer space.
  18. jumbo
    jumbo 4 March 2017 23: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    It seemed to me alone that the author was trying to concentrate cheat denigrate everything related to astronautics in the USSR?
    Either examples of unsuccessful or "partially successful" missions are given, with an emphasis on "well, at least something worked out", or in general some kind of garbage like "the first black in space" ...
    Author minus in karma, KG / AM. Something like this request

    the author apparently wanted to gloat, but to pass off the death of people as an achievement, it’s generally beyond good and evil
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 5 March 2017 00: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Jumbo
      to pass off death as an achievement, it’s generally beyond good and evil

      - I just, strangely enough, this, um ... I remember the event
      - and I remember how people felt about this
      - as if someone from the family died, damn it ...

      Like this request
  19. da Vinci
    da Vinci 5 March 2017 00: 04 New
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    Article title - content - conclusions from the article = 3 big differences! The score for the author is -100500! negative
  20. Wengr
    Wengr 5 March 2017 03: 13 New
    +1
    Most are failures, not achievements. Especially extreme - this is definitely an achievement.
  21. cedar
    cedar 5 March 2017 07: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: cedar
    the owners of money, and perhaps already of our planet ...
    Space exploration is clearly not a priority for them, but reduction of earthlings to 500 000 individuals - this is relevant and the main lie in this murderous project is the main weapon

    - I heard right? belay
    - yet to 500 000??!
    No, I don’t have a drink request
    cedar, I am ashamed that you are an earthling ... see already at the root already stop


    And you look into the "Secret of Tanya", there generally remains as a result of all the showdowns 250 000 elected, re-elected and selected from the Jewish tribe, BUT ... and they do not remain on Earth, but in the form of golden sparks their souls ascend over blazing Earth to his Gd. So I still overestimated the number of the elect, I felt sorry for you and your relatives ...
    Your shame for me, a good sign, then all is not lost, then we will ripen to the root, earthling ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 5 March 2017 07: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: cedar
      And you look into the "Secret of Tanya", there generally ...

      “Are you talking about this?”
      In the past few years, quite a lot of information has appeared about the Jewish sect of Chabad. And the main goal of their activity was found out: to destroy all life on Earth and then it is fun to flutter around Jehovah at the etheric level of the planet

      - enough ... You have already won this contest laughing
      - You see, before reading something, I carefully filter out all kinds of nonsense. And the horse of Spyrology is ... not my hobby, no no

      Quote: cedar
      ... that means we will ripen to the root, earthling ...

      - I do not need it request
      - and you, well, at least you ... become obsessed, incorrigible, cedar... they drove you in color, by the way yes
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 March 2017 12: 00 New
        +1
        "Spyrology is ... not my hobby, no no" ///

        This is not spirology, alcoholology, immediately followed by delirium tremens. wassat
  22. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 5 March 2017 09: 01 New
    0
    The impression that the victim of the exam. To talk about the "primitiveness" of the technology of that time is not a sign of the mind. Each historical period has its own level of technology, it was the highest in the world at that time. Article minus.
  23. cedar
    cedar 5 March 2017 09: 37 New
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    Quote: Cat Man Null
    In the past few years, quite a lot of information has appeared about the Jewish sect of Chabad. And the main goal of their activity was found out: to destroy all life on Earth and then it is fun to flutter around Jehovah at the etheric level of the planet


    Trump's son-in-law is entering this sect and occupying far from the last place there, and the daughter leads her female counterpart ...
    It’s a shame not to know such features of the newly-presented presentation AMerika ...
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 5 March 2017 09: 42 New
      0
      Quote: cedar
      Trump's son-in-law enters this sect and occupies far from the last place there, and the daughter leads her female counterpart

      - so what?
      - right: there’s nothing really to tell you. You can only wrinkle your forehead (thoughtfully) and mumble: "See there, see here ..."
      - well, and have fun. It ... amuses me, let’s say so. No more yes
  24. Old26
    Old26 5 March 2017 10: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Octopus
    Well, here the author is right. Since the Moon is after the Americans, the Soviet program does not care for them much like the Russian-speaking comrades - Shepard’s flight. That is, not what is crossed out, they simply are not interested. You can understand and forgive.

    Well, we can blame each other with the Americans indefinitely. We have the "masses" one cartoons, they have different. But there are achievements, including and ours, which are not disputed by the Americans. Moreover, the lunar race (of automata) both with us and with it was with varying success. And the pictures of the back side flew around the world. Of course, "ignoramuses" are always and everywhere. Both they and we, who will deny even the obvious

    Quote: Octopus
    And that too.

    I stress again. "crowd", "ignoramuses" will dispute even the obvious. But it is known for certain that the Americans asked the Soviet government to postpone the launch of Luna-16 for a few days so that there were no accidents in the orbit of the moon. And how can one dispute something if the ground was transferred to them from this station? Or conveyed what was not in nature?

    Quote: Octopus
    Crossed out, crossed out. And I agree. I consider the Moon to be a planet (although officially the satellite is not a planet, the planet should revolve around a star or its remnants), so the "first successful landing on another planet" in the 70th is not to the cash register.

    In any case, regardless of the name of the planet, the Soviet apparatus made landing on another planet. If we consider the moon as a "planet", then anyway, the first station was "Moon-9". The American Surveyor 1 landed on the moon 4 months later than Luna 9

    Mars-3 was the first to land on Mars (by the way, the only one that made a successful landing, although it worked for 14 seconds on the surface). American “Vikings” sat down 5 years later, although the amount of data transferred is not comparable.

    Venus. The first was "Venus-4," but she sat down not working, but working, "Venus-7." And the Americans do not deny this primacy (of course, except for a certain category)

    Quote: Octopus
    What personally hooked me
    Fortunately, the station was stationary. Fixed b *!

    Of course, the author froze stupidity. The station was "dead" - yes, the flight was uncontrollable. But she physically could not be motionless laughing

    Quote: Octopus
    Strictly speaking, it is impossible. The moon is not a planet.

    Well, if only strictly speaking laughing

    Quote: sergo1914
    Dzhanibekov Vladimir Alexandrovich. Docking in manual mode with a dead Salute. NOBODY AND NEVER DOED IT AND WILL NOT DO.
    PS However, perhaps he is not a man at all. The world's first alien - GSS. Man is not able to make a manual dock in outer space.

    let us all fly separately, and cutlets separately. In space, there could be four options for docking.
    1. Both devices are controllable. Both unmanned. The Soviet Union was the first to make such a docking on the Cosmos series devices (EMNIP No. 186 and 188)
    2. Both devices are controllable. Both manned . The championship belongs to the USSR. Docking of Soyuz-4 and Soyuz-5.
    3. One manned vehicle, the second unmanned. Both managed. Championship again for the USSR. Docking "Unions" with "Salutes"
    4. One ship manned, the second unmanned. Unmanned NOT MANAGED. As far as I remember, there were only two such connections. The first - "Dzhemeni-8" docked with the "Agen" step in manual mode "in 1966. The second docking - when Dzhanibekov docked with" Salute-7 ". And in the first and second case it was manual docking with dead objects. Here championship for the Americans.
    But I repeat. No one disputes the uniqueness of the salute-7 salvage mission
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 5 March 2017 11: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Of course, "ignoramuses" are always and everywhere.

      Quote: Old26
      In any case, regardless of the name of the planet, the Soviet apparatus made landing on another planet.

      Here, it seems to me, a little different. The winner takes it all. Since the basic hypothesis is that the Moon won the Americans (and I don’t see any reason to dispute it), the English-language scientific pop concentrates on American history, and the rest is not to be deleted, but left off screen. This is natural for any national achievement. I think if in Russia you ask people about the start and end dates of WWII, they will answer “I don’t know” or “22.06.41-09.05.45,” and one of twenty will give the correct answer. Naturally, for Russian WWII this is the Second World War. About the same number of Americans know that the lunar program is not only Apollo.

      Another thing is that I do not see anything unnatural in this situation.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 5 March 2017 19: 59 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      I stress again. "crowd", "ignoramuses" will dispute even the obvious.

      The obvious is that the Americans did not have rockets for the Alpha orbital station, there are no life support systems. Or will you again begin to tell fables about the unknown wild nomads who conquered the USA and destroyed American science?
      1. Octopus
        Octopus 6 March 2017 02: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: KaPToC
        Or you will start again

        And what kind of "again"? Did I miss something. It seems that everything is fine with science in the USA, even brilliantly.
        Quote: KaPToC
        no rockets found

        The ISS American segments were displayed by the Shuttles. Although this is not the case.

        And the fact is that not so long ago, about 20 years ago, when the ISS project began, the Russians were considered normal people, not without quirks, of course, but capable, for once, of doing business as usual.
        Accordingly, it is not so important who built what, what he derived, and whose money was there - the station is international.
        This period did not last long, unfortunately.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 7 March 2017 08: 50 New
          0
          Quote: Octopus
          And what kind of "again"? Did I miss something. It seems that everything is fine with science in the USA, even brilliantly.

          What, then, owning the resources of half the world, could they build an orbital station without Russians?
          Quote: Octopus
          Russians were considered normal people

          No comments
          1. Octopus
            Octopus 8 March 2017 10: 11 New
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            Quote: KaPToC
            could they build an orbital station without Russians?

            Firstly, it is beautiful (s). An international project involving all major players is good in itself.
            Secondly, who, and the Americans, were never eager to bring production to countries with cheaper labor.
            Quote: KaPToC
            No comments

            Why comment there. No one is even afraid of normal people. Here, take even the Germans of today. Shame alone. Whether business before!
            We will not like these conchits. We will be great! One country, one people, one leader!
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 8 March 2017 11: 36 New
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              Quote: Octopus
              We will not like these conchits. We will be great! One country, one people, one leader!

              Alsace, Lorraine, Pomerania, Upper Silesia, Keniksberg, and what do you propose to give up to Russia so that we are "not afraid"?
              Quote: Octopus
              No one is even afraid of normal people.

              R0h0v shameful no one is afraid.
              Quote: Octopus
              Secondly, who, and the Americans, were never eager to bring production to countries with cheaper labor.

              You didn’t mix anything up? The Americans were categorically against it. Production was brought out by transnational corporations.
              Quote: Octopus
              Firstly, it's beautiful

              Secondly - hemorrhoidally, if they could - they would make their own station.
              1. Octopus
                Octopus 8 March 2017 12: 18 New
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                Quote: KaPToC
                What do you propose to give up to Russia so that we are not “afraid”?

                Nothing. No one will take it. It makes no sense to include relatively undeveloped territories in the state. The Americans were the first to hear this (1935, Philippines), the Europeans a little later. The reunification of Germany was an exception to the rule, events developed too quickly.
                Now it’s even worse. The social state and empire are very expensive things, even individually. And together not a single economy will pull them. Even Americans are beginning to understand this.
                Quote: KaPToC
                The Americans were categorically against it. Production was brought out by transnational corporations.

                And what, have NASA ever been commanded by those Americans who are against?
                Here is the problem. Those Americans who are opposed, when they get the opportunity to make decisions, are not so opposed, even more likely. There is no arguing against accountants.
                Quote: KaPToC
                if they could, they would make their own station.

                And why, if you can buy cheaper from Russians? Purely for show-offs?
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 8 March 2017 13: 51 New
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                  Quote: Octopus
                  And why, if you can buy cheaper from Russians?

                  For bread.
                  Quote: Octopus
                  Now it’s even worse. The social state and empire are very expensive things, even individually.

                  Here you are right, socialism is Evil.
                  Quote: Octopus
                  Nothing. No one will take it.

                  Tell it to Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria. How else they’ll take it.
                  Quote: Octopus
                  It makes no sense to include relatively undeveloped territories in the state.

                  And no one is talking about the inclusion of the "aggressor", we are talking about exclusion from the victim. To become good for the West, we must sacrifice at least Siberia.
                  1. Octopus
                    Octopus 8 March 2017 14: 55 New
                    0
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    For bread.

                    Starving, poor, without their station.
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    socialism is Evil.

                    Everything is somewhat more complicated. But it’s expensive that is.
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    Tell it to Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria. How else they’ll take it.

                    Which of the above countries became part of the United States? Which one was a rival to the US, political, military or economic? Which of these operations had a positive effect on the United States, economic or political?
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    it is about exclusion from the victim

                    What the hell?
                    Quote: KaPToC
                    donate at least Siberia.

                    Why would your imaginary “West” love China so much to give him such gifts? If, of course, we assume that Siberia may be of interest to at least someone.
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 8 March 2017 15: 20 New
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                      Quote: Octopus
                      If, of course, we assume that Siberia may be of interest to at least someone.

                      I might think that you don’t know anything, but most likely you are simply lying.

                      "The greatest injustice is when Russia owns such lands as Siberia."
                      Madeleine Albright

                      "It is advisable to leave 15 million people to live in Russia"
                      Margaret Thatcher
                      1. Octopus
                        Octopus 8 March 2017 15: 44 New
                        0
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        I might think that you know nothing

                        You see, thinking is difficult. For starters, you should learn how to use Google.
                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Madeleine Albright

                        Boris Ratnikov.
                        Original source
                        https://rg.ru/2006/12/22/gosbezopasnostj-podsozna
                        nie.html
                        The first mention of the topic is A. Pushkov, the Postscript program of the TV Center channel, July 14, 2005
                        As Madeleine Albright is credited with the words that “Siberia is too large a territory to belong to one state.” Even if she didn’t say exactly that, then she probably thought, or someone out there thought from intelligent people in America

                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Margaret Thatcher

                        A.P. Parshev, 1999
                        Original source
                        http://www.lib.ru/POLITOLOG/PARSHEW/parshew.txt

                        What is funny, of the handsome men mentioned, two are gebists, the third is a deputy of the State Duma of the VI convocation from EP. It is in such places that the most honest people are kept.

                        In order to eradicate illiteracy: for Ms. Thatcher and for Ms. Albright, the main language is English. Accordingly, if you quote them, you will have to look for an authorized source in English.
                      2. Octopus
                        Octopus 8 March 2017 17: 13 New
                        0
                        Such garbage happens when there are too many answers to the thread and they do not get down the tree. You can either reply to the previous message, or simply reply with a new message at the bottom.
  25. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 6 March 2017 14: 55 New
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    Bullshit.
    10 Soviet space achievements that Madagascar crosses out of history

    And what about the west? The West is not the West, if it is not shitting.
  26. veteran66
    veteran66 6 March 2017 15: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Octopus
    Quote: tracer
    the first man in space was Gagarin,
    And what was the teacher’s version?

    the first man in space was an American, they also launched a monkey into space before Gagarin
  27. Recoil
    Recoil 7 March 2017 13: 20 New
    0
    So remember the story. She knows both victories and failures, and do not let anyone doubt that you live in a great country.


    This country has not been around for 25 years.
    And I know who destroyed it.
    To be proud of the ancestors and to be worthy of them, and not to ascribe to themselves their victories - so right.
  28. KaPToC
    KaPToC 8 March 2017 17: 23 New
    0
    Quote: Octopus
    A.P. Parshev, 1999

    I read his book "Why Russia is not America", he is mistaken in many ways in his reasoning, no need to refer to him, he is just a writer.
    1. Octopus
      Octopus 8 March 2017 17: 53 New
      0
      You did not understand.
      Parshev's book is the primary source for this statement by imaginary Thatcher. There is no direct speech of a real Thatcher on the subject under discussion. Thatcher wasn't a fool, you know. Like Albright.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 8 March 2017 18: 13 New
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        Quote: Octopus
        Parshev's book is the primary source for this statement by imaginary Thatcher.

        I know, Thatcher said very different words and it was about the economic feasibility of living in Russia so many people, and not about the destruction of the Russian people. Nevertheless, the words about the weaning of Siberia from the Russians are constantly heard in the West.
        1. Octopus
          Octopus 8 March 2017 18: 35 New
          +1
          Yes, sometimes even Google is powerless.

          Do you generally understand that retired colonel Parshev and Baroness Thatcher are two different people, and not the same? That “Parshev says he heard” and “Thatcher said” are not the same thing? And, accordingly, the blizzard about Siberia is pronounced exclusively in Russia, by the deputies of the State Duma and the "experts" of the patriotic genre, and not "in the west"?
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 8 March 2017 19: 01 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            And, accordingly, the blizzard about Siberia is pronounced exclusively in Russia, by the deputies of the State Duma and the "experts" of the patriotic genre, and not "in the west"?

            This Parshev was given to you. Words about Siberia are often heard in the Western media, and you apparently flew to us from a different reality, where you did not hear all this.
            1. Octopus
              Octopus 8 March 2017 19: 54 New
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              What other "western media"? Blogs of all the clowns on The National Interest that Russia Today loves to translate? Leading American Media Facebook?

              I repeat for the tenth time. If you are broadcasting someone’s position, can you first find out whose position it is? Not "foreign media report", but a specific person?
              Quote: KaPToC
              often sound in the Western media, and you apparently flew to us from a different reality

              Not that I constantly monitor the English-language media, but I try to be in the know. At least I do not refer to the TV Center and the works of Russian "political scientists".
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 8 March 2017 20: 19 New
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                Quote: Octopus
                What other "western media"? Blogs of all the clowns on The National Interest that Russia Today loves to translate? Leading American Media Facebook?

                I note - Facebook - which is referred to by the American president and his entourage, “clown” blogs are blogs of American politicians who run a state called the USA.
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                  Octopus 8 March 2017 20: 46 New
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                  Facebook - referred to by the American President

                  Unfortunately, the 45th president of the United States mainly uses Twitter, not Facebook. 140 characters are enough for him to express his thoughts. And so far he has not written anything about Siberia.
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                  clown blogs are the blogs of American politicians

                  On ni? Which American politicians do you know about blogging on NI or elsewhere? Ideally, people related to foreign policy? Which of them spoke about the territorial integrity of Russia within the borders until 2014?
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                    KaPToC 8 March 2017 20: 59 New
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                    Which of them

                    I will answer with your own words - google to help
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                      Octopus 8 March 2017 21: 05 New
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                      Why on earth?
                      You have quoted two fake quotes above. I found you the source.
                      Now you recall the statements of the completely addictive "Western media" and "American politicians." You not only couldn’t indicate any specifics, you also mixed up Facebook and Twitter. And should I seek confirmation of your persecution? Shchaz.
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                        KaPToC 8 March 2017 21: 42 New
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                        Above you have cited two fake quotes. I found you the source.

                        I saw your "source" and not from your submission, I will draw your attention to the fact that Margaret Thatcher's words were, the question is only in their incorrect interpretation.
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                        Now you recall the statements of the completely addict "Western media"

                        What kind of people are there, exactly these, as you say "drug-addict" media, shape public opinion in the West.
                        Quote: Octopus
                        Facebook and Twitter

                        Yes, I drummed it, I didn’t mix it up, I didn’t consider it necessary to remember where the American president has the blog, and where the CIA director.
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                        And should I seek confirmation of your persecution? Shchaz.

                        Similar discussions have already been on topvar, there is no desire to repeat everything, look and find out.
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                        Octopus 9 March 2017 10: 22 New
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                        I will draw your attention that the words of Margaret Thatcher were

                        Were not. Parshev lied. Do not agree - look for Thatcher's direct speech, and do not stick Thatcher's signature on Parshin's words. So understandable?
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                        The media shape public opinion in the west.

                        Quote: KaPToC
                        Similar discussions have already been on topwar,

                        To go nuts. I must admit, I thought that for you the "Western media" is a website for foreign countries. It turns out to be an ax. Gorgeous.
                        What a sucker will read Obama's monstrously long interview in the Atlantic, for example, when there is a favorite ax.
                        https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016
                        / 04 / the-obama-doctrine / 471525 /
  29. yehat
    yehat 9 March 2017 11: 16 New
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    "1. The first human victims in space"

    about this tragedy in a lie article. I talked with the developer of the very system that led to decompression
    firstly, he said why the accident occurred - before starting from the ground between the shut-off valve membranes, the attendant left a rag, as a result, the valve could not work normally, and there was no protection from the fool.
    secondly, decompression occurred already during the descent - because of the rag there was an incorrect determination of the required pressure to open the valve. And the pilots did not choke for 2 minutes - they had just a couple of seconds to react and plug the hole, which is unrealistic, because they did not even know where to look for the valve. And they died from a pressure surge almost instantly.
  30. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 10 March 2017 18: 37 New
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    I didn’t see: the first landing on the moon, the man’s exit from the spacecraft (Leonov), the panorama of the surface of Venus, the moon rover, the record of man’s stay in space, and so on.
  31. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 9 November 2017 12: 51 New
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    The mattresses rewrote their history of the beginning of the 20th century, now they are drawn to space. They themselves were not even on the moon, shameful, in the pavilions filmed "lunar landing." What can I say, vultures are vultures.
  32. Vovan 73
    Vovan 73 14 November 2017 11: 47 New
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    "However, for the Americans, who at that time didn’t have apparatuses even for crews of two, that sounded impressive."
    But how then did they fly to the moon?
    "Cinema Cinema Cinema, we are crazy about you."