"It is impossible to defeat such an army" ... The state of "neglect"

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"It is impossible to defeat such an army" ... The state of "neglect"


Past holidays for many army veterans and fleet were marked not only by celebrations, feasts and gifts. This is a routine that you forget about almost immediately. The main thing is that from somewhere out of nonexistence long forgotten colleagues suddenly appeared. Those with whom he once served in the Soviet Army. There were talks about life, memories ... And, of course, about what the army of that state is today, where, due to circumstances, Soviet officers "got" in 1991.



It is no secret that many have become citizens of neighboring countries without even really thinking about the consequences of this step. The part in which they served was suddenly not in Russia. Throw soldiers, service, most simply could not. Soviet education. A passport was issued most of the fact. And no one believed in the possibility of confrontation with Russia. How am I going to be on the other side of the "front"? We're friends. However, what happened ...

Naturally, I received congratulations from the "independent" Ukraine. Talk about the army too. But today we are not talking about conversations, but about one video that I was "thrown off." Video made by Ukrainian contract soldiers in one of the military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



The words in the title of the article are not about the APU. They are told about another army. About our army. And they are not said with malice, but with pride. But after the video they acquired a completely opposite meaning for the APU. At least in my head.

Once upon a time in one of the African countries among the military and "soldiers of fortune" from different countries there was a joke. Why there? Just because there all fought against all and it is not clear why. And the multinational present and former military personnel supported "their" leaders.

- What can you say about the upcoming military campaign, Mr. General?
- God knows she will be lost.
- Why, then, should it begin?
- What do you mean why? To find out who exactly!

The video shows the next Ukrainian military unit. More precisely, the fact that the APU is called a military unit. Moreover, those who served in the last century will easily recognize the "native" barracks, which were built in the era of "dear Leonid Ilyich" quite a lot. Standard type barracks of the Soviet Army. And then ... Then the conclusion that I made in the title.

Veterans of the Armed Forces (not only Russian) are well aware of the psychology of the soldier and the methods of achieving high combat readiness of the unit, unit. A soldier, no matter how motivated at the beginning of his service, becomes a part of the mess in the “mess”. And go into battle with this subordinate is dangerous. It is dangerous for the commander personally. Dangerous for all his fellow workers.

Soldier readiness does not begin with the landfill or conversations about patriotism. Readiness begins with the "kapterki" and dining. A soldier must be good and more or less beautifully dressed and fed. And only then can he be taught, driven along an obstacle course, require knowledge of the statutes, orders ... Demand to go into battle, finally. Yes, and the famous "soldier's wit" manifests itself in such conditions.

We hear a lot about the collapse of the Ukrainian army. And the results of the combat work of these "soldiers and officers" speak volumes. And the origins of this in the barracks that I saw on the video.

First of all, the officer corps. In the part that is shown, it is simply not there. There are people who wear officer shoulder straps. Hold some posts. Probably own military equipment and weapons. But officers, commanders - no!

Remember your first foreman? I still remember how I squandered a square meter of floor near the bedside table for two hours a day. And he came out of the storeroom, took out a white scarf and ... showed me that the floor was dirty. There was dirt on the scarf ... And in fact I taught. We quickly began to wash the floors, rather than smearing the dirt evenly.

And what about the platoon commander with his incomprehensible claims to make the beds and the bedside tables? Just think, incorrectly laid out toiletries and something else! After all, this "something else" is hidden far inside. And the general, unless of course he appears suddenly, obviously will not stand "letter sic" to find it.

Kontraktniki APU showed "inhuman conditions" of life in the barracks ... Bedside tables, in which the doors are kept on parole. Toilets that are clogged in the morning almost immediately. Windows, transom which is almost not closed. And dirt, dirt, dirt. “This is how we serve ...” And these words are not the boys, who in their lives saw only that the school desk and their own cows and pigs in the yard. These are the words of healthy 40-year-old men.

Men who are engaged in something "to the army." There were also joiners, plumbers, glaziers, electricians ... There is no such thing that for 40 years a man would remain a nobody. Especially since today in the APU really get harder than a couple of years ago. There really is some sort of selection.

The ruin in the barracks is an indicator of the absence of the commander, as such. An anthill is not without a uterus. And each ant performs its task. And he knows his task. Tactical. But only the uterus knows the strategic task. Just like in the army. The commander knows everything. And the higher the commander, so that this “everything” becomes more enormous. In the APU with the "womb" is a real problem.

By the way, by the way, I compared the videos from the trenches of the Republicans and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. I don’t know if anyone paid attention to it. But there is exactly the same picture. Front. The enemy - here he is ... And the Republicans have dugouts that are quite comfortable, “fortified” (well, sometimes things get into the frame and such things, alas) are good. And the soldiers do not “bother” with thoughts about a careless foreman who “hangs around somewhere again” with lunch. Normal combat work. Just a little more risky than before.

The APU is always "fighting." The rollers of the soldiers are somewhat reminiscent of the newsreels of the first war years. Trench. Periodically, someone crawls out to the embrasure and sends a magazine-another ammunition into the white light. Going nowhere. Just "fighting". And he dreams when he is taken to rest. In the barracks. Why strain? Why equip something? After all, all the same sometime, let's "go" ... To find out who exactly exactly the campaign will be played.

The absence of officers is indicated by the servicemen themselves. Do not teach us! Understand that any weapon, even the most "European" or "American", they will not shoot and fall on their own. We need a man who will do it. And the weapon? It is perfect only in the hands of a professional. The computer in the hands of the savage is much worse than the hammer. Coconuts with a hammer more convenient to break ...

At the beginning of the article I mentioned a higher motivation of Ukrainian soldiers today. Many, probably, remember the famous lines "Readiness for death, too, because weapons ...". This is just about the moral side of things.

Yes, this is a weapon. Only double-edged weapons. For a trained fighter, this is the ability to perform combat super tasks. Perform, knowing that the risk of death is great. But for the "soldier" is just death. The level of cannon fodder. Many will now remember the militia near Moscow in 1941 ... But what about them? They defended ... Yes, but at what cost? When in the New Jerusalem area the Germans simply crushed the militias tanks? Every two hours - a new train ... I talked with one of these heroes, veterans. And he knew that to start, or maybe end the war, he would be just like that. He knew that his death would stop the Germans at least for an hour, for a minute, for a second. He defended himself.

APU is not defending. Just because Republicans do not attack. Everyone remembers how the offensive of the LDNR army ends.

The worst thing for Ukraine today is that most people, not only veterans of the Armed Forces, understand this all. See the agony of the army. See absolutely "Makhnov" detachments of punitive. See the futility of war in general. And they go voluntarily, like, excuse me, a flock of sheep in this meat grinder. For different reasons. It is not important. The main thing is coming. In the hope that "it will end soon," "yes, I serve in the defense, we will not be sent," "I was there in 14 ..."

In principle, from the point of view of some of my opponents, I must gloat over an adversary of the Republicans. The worse the APU, the easier it will be for the armies of the LC and the DPR. May be. Only here I do not want something. You look at the faces of ordinary Ukrainian men, who talk about their "service" in the Armed Forces of Ukraine and you understand that this "shooting" has not been necessary to anyone for a long time. And "meet the fallen heroes on their knees" too. They want to their Hannah or Svetlanka under the side ...

Country cornered. Destroyed spiritually, historically, culturally, economically. And physically destroyed. In the hearts of Ukrainians she still lives, Soviet, Ukraine. Ukraine is the winner. Therefore, they believe in the power of their MAT. That's why they think that the APU is really a modern army. Yes, they believe in the possibility of at least a small "peremoga" over the Russian army. And ... in a meat grinder ...

It’s really impossible to defeat such an army ... Not because this army is strong and can easily defeat you. Not. There is simply no such army. There are "men with guns." And there is no army. Do not need.
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  1. +45
    28 February 2017 06: 39
    A mess! “We serve” is this a crowd of men can’t put things in order in their own barracks? Or send them slaves? What would everyone fix and launder. He would have a “Soviet-style” foreman, with authority, he would restore order. Half was on guardhouse, the second was fighting the barracks! Shame! THIS IS NOT THE ARMY! negative hi
    1. +25
      28 February 2017 07: 40
      Why be surprised? Ukraine is not a state, and, in my opinion, it’s not even a “vulgar operetta” anymore, so it doesn’t have a single normal state institution, and APU is not an army, but a worthless chop ... The trouble is that it’s early or later, when the West and the United States play enough, all this hefty bunch of shit ... will go to us and again the Russian Vanka will restore everything, as it has already been done more than once .... and everything will go on as usual ... until the next attack of independence ...! laughing
      1. +11
        28 February 2017 10: 10
        Quote: Finches
        again, Russian Vanka will restore everything, as has already been done more than once .... and everything will go as it should ... until the next attack of independence ...!

        Well, to hell with them - "next time"!
        ---------------------------
        Yesterday I accidentally got a plot on the RT - again a discussion "on the topic" with delicate but adamant Ukrainian parliamentarians, political scientists, or journalists? ... Everything seems polite, well - the discussion is well ... And now they are all up to speed impossibilities, deny the obvious that even completely biased Americans are understandable! but they don’t !!! And sho? "blue eye" on w ... pull? The main thing is that it is clear that they understand that they are wrong, but they don’t want to recognize them as "proud Frenchmen" !!! And in appearance - sane people seem to be ...

        ... Maidan of the head spine? ...
        1. +11
          28 February 2017 14: 50
          Their job is to play inadequate. If they weren’t, they would call others. The right info page is extremely important in the info war. The people see these nerds on TV and no stupid questions arise - like who is sitting in the trench on the other side. request And for these guys from the box, it's just a job. It will be necessary and Kovtun with the Russian flag will go and shout that he has always been an underground and has fought against Ukraine. request
          1. +6
            28 February 2017 16: 57
            It’s easy, Fortune stands: “the windmill girl” (Peter 1) will turn in the other direction and all the Turcheninovs, Avakovs and others. they will turn out to be "underground workers with up to revolutionary experience," and if they are shown the current cadres, they will declare: "they fulfilled the party’s mission
        2. +2
          28 February 2017 16: 45
          I'm afraid worse than the "Maidan of the head spine," there is already the Maidan of all parts of the body.
        3. +2
          28 February 2017 17: 42
          Quote: CONTROL
          Quote: Finches
          again, Russian Vanka will restore everything, as has already been done more than once .... and everything will go as it should ... until the next attack of independence ...!

          Well, to hell with them - "next time"!
          ---------------------------
          Yesterday I accidentally got a plot on the RT - again a discussion "on the topic" with delicate but adamant Ukrainian parliamentarians, political scientists, or journalists? ... Everything seems polite, well - the discussion is well ... And now they are all up to speed impossibilities, deny the obvious that even completely biased Americans are understandable! but they don’t !!! And sho? "blue eye" on w ... pull? The main thing is that it is clear that they understand that they are wrong, but they don’t want to recognize them as "proud Frenchmen" !!! And in appearance - sane people seem to be ...

          ... Maidan of the head spine? ...

          For each such “exit” by “adamant Ukrainian parliamentarians, political scientists, or journalists? ..” they receive 60 rubles and live in Russia
      2. +2
        28 February 2017 12: 40
        Yes, then the contractors. They have socks, and they should wash the laundress, what is there to be surprised? laughing
        1. +3
          28 February 2017 18: 53
          Well, how would Glory to Ukraine!
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    2. +5
      28 February 2017 09: 04
      It’s impossible to defeat such an army
      Well, that's right, how can you defeat the vanquished? It is simply not possible.
    3. +7
      28 February 2017 10: 56
      Quote: fa2998
      Shame! THIS IS NOT AN ARMY!

      This army reminds me of the Powers army after the defeat ...
      1. +38
        28 February 2017 11: 06
        Quote: NEXUS
        This army reminds me of the Powers army after the defeat ...

        Powers, the bastard, not only spied from the plane, he also, it turns out, brought a horde of Italians and threw ...
        1. +12
          28 February 2017 11: 58
          Instructed to prepare a historical quiz for the cadet. I tried to get creative. In one of the questions, he suggested that the name of the commander of the 6 Army of the Wehrmacht, surrounded by Stalingrad, be given. Answer options: Powers, Paulus. Both scored an equal number of "votes."
          So the Nexus error is normal.
          1. +7
            28 February 2017 21: 05
            Army soldier2 Instructed to prepare a historical quiz for the cadet. I tried to get creative. In one of the questions, he suggested that the name of the commander of the 6 Army of the Wehrmacht, surrounded by Stalingrad, be given. Answer options: Powers, Paulus. Both scored an equal number of "votes."
            So the Nexus error is normal.

            For the cadet? It depends on who teaches them. Your cadets must confuse Lenin and Lenon, and the retreat with the offensive
            1. 0
              1 March 2017 10: 47
              Quote: Rich
              Army soldier2 Instructed to prepare a historical quiz for the cadet. I tried to get creative. In one of the questions, he suggested that the name of the commander of the 6 Army of the Wehrmacht, surrounded by Stalingrad, be given. Answer options: Powers, Paulus. Both scored an equal number of "votes."
              So the Nexus error is normal.

              For the cadet? It depends on who teaches them. Your cadets must confuse Lenin and Lenon, and the retreat with the offensive

              Actually, I just drew attention to the consonance of the names. The Nexus, in my opinion, is an old proven veteran of VO.
              As for our cadets, if necessary, they could help you in self-education. And you tell them where to find time for 23's daily and such reasonable and thoughtful comments. laughing
              1. 0
                4 March 2017 02: 52
                Quote: Army 2
                Actually, I just drew attention to the consonance of surnames

                You are not right.
                Good examples have been given about the consonance, but from the consonance the meaning changes the opposite.
                Powers, Paulus is not so consonant. Hitler and Goering are also in tune?
                And phonetically, German surnames are easy to identify ...
        2. +5
          28 February 2017 13: 15
          Quote: Parsec
          Powers, the bastard, not only spied from the plane, he also turns out to have brought and threw a horde of Italians.

          Well, what are you really ... Just think of confusing the pilot with the field marshal, the main thing is that this is patriotic and corresponds to the current general line. Keep it up!... good
          1. +4
            28 February 2017 20: 19
            Quote: ranger
            Just think of confusing the pilot with the field marshal, the main thing is that this is patriotic and corresponds to the current general line.

            To be honest - I did not expect such a puncture from the Nexus.
            1. 0
              5 March 2017 13: 14
              Quote: evge-malyshev
              Quote: ranger
              Just think of confusing the pilot with the field marshal, the main thing is that this is patriotic and corresponds to the current general line.

              To be honest - I did not expect such a puncture from the Nexus.

              This is such a PR on VO. Whether there will still be - time will tell who the victim of the exam is here
        3. +5
          28 February 2017 17: 54
          Quote: Parsec
          Quote: NEXUS
          This army reminds me of the Powers army after the defeat ...

          Powers, the bastard, not only spied from the plane, he also, it turns out, brought a horde of Italians and threw ...

          Yes, we did not know much. It’s good that there are knowledgeable people who open unknown pages of history to us
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    4. +1
      28 February 2017 22: 17
      And I had an EMBEDDER at the urgent foreman. I still remember the real "bad man"! They would have joked about the hohland of ensigns, this is their national position, and the windows did not blow, and the shells shone
    5. +2
      1 March 2017 00: 29
      These are not soldiers — this is a crowd of migrant workers, talking as if someone should come and clean the “point”, wash the floor, tear the sinks!
    6. +1
      1 March 2017 08: 44
      Quote: fa2998
      A mess! “We serve” is this a crowd of men can’t put things in order in their own barracks? Or send them slaves? What would everyone fix and launder. He would have a “Soviet-style” foreman, with authority, he would restore order. Half was on guardhouse, the second was fighting the barracks! Shame! THIS IS NOT THE ARMY! negative hi

      this video shows the former 169 Guards Training Center, Desna. 30 years ago I served there. Shortly before the last Maidan, I had a chance to visit there, and the only definition that occurred to me was devastation. Directly according to Bulgakov. In a state, there can be no other way round.
    7. 0
      2 March 2017 23: 08
      The army is a reflection of the state!
  2. +5
    28 February 2017 06: 44
    But however, the front does not collapse, this herd does not run home. Apparently, there is not enough external impetus, additional effort from the side of the Leningrad People's Democratic Republic armed forces. And certainly not everything is so bad, especially in punitive volunteer units. There is better motivation, and supply, and sponsors, too.
    1. +5
      28 February 2017 08: 02
      Quote: inkass_98
      But however, the front does not collapse, this herd does not run home.



      Why should they run? Most of them are ordinary lumpen and they know very well that there’s nothing special to catch at home, but here’s the chapel, which deserves respect in the eyes of others.
      1. +14
        28 February 2017 08: 21
        The article says that they want to go home, but this is not true, they want blood and are waiting for it. They do not want to die, they want to kill.
        1. +4
          28 February 2017 15: 55
          That's it. They want to get pennies, capturing Nenka in a new form, living in a comfortable, warm and clean disposition, learning military affairs in the present way. Plus a normal havchik and regular bumps. But not fate. wassat
  3. +3
    28 February 2017 06: 56
    And dirt, dirt, dirt.


    ... let them all drown there, in this swamp ... angry
  4. +10
    28 February 2017 07: 52
    There are "men with machine guns." But there is no army. Do not need.

    But these “men with machine guns” must be wary. Because with a complete mess and ruin, this man poses a certain danger to others. It was only in the cinema that V.I. Lenin issued the phrase: "Do not be afraid of a man with a gun ...". In life, everything is much more complicated.
  5. +8
    28 February 2017 08: 41
    That's when this gang with machine guns will scatter around the huts, in which case, this will be the worst thing. VNA Makhnovshchina was taken out at the time for a very long and tough time. And Bandera also burned out for more than one year. That is why, IMHO, and "does not hit" Russia. Themselves, themselves. Themselves "galloped" themselves and let them disentangle.
  6. +12
    28 February 2017 08: 43
    They told me about one friend, the first time he went because there was a choice for hooliganism in prison or in high school. And the second time he asks because for the first time, he didn’t do anything and brought 50000 gr home, but he don’t do figs at home. That's the whole layout. There are Nazis, there are criminals, there are unemployed. This army does not have an ideology, everyone solves its own tasks, and then let the Russians restore Ukraine, Europeans or Americans; they do not have violet state consciousness.
    1. +1
      1 March 2017 04: 48
      Quote: Alex66
      they do not have state consciousness.

      Scary words, but I personally agree. Ukrainians are not a nation-forming nation. The Lenin-Stalin experiment failed ...
  7. +4
    28 February 2017 08: 47
    I, honestly, do not understand this massacre from the side of the wiped APU. Is the level of apathy already such that anyway? Or do they sincerely believe that someone will be “overcome” and possibly even the Russian army? I do not understand, despite the fact that the Ukrainian as such is not inclined to bloodshed. This is not an Afghan Pashtun or Ugandan whose first and last toy is AK.
    1. +10
      28 February 2017 14: 56
      At the time, in '93, when the Ukrainian army was equipped and cleaned, we asked applicants a simple question - are you ready to fight against the Russian Federation? SO THERE ARE THE FORMER SOVIET OFFICERS WHO SERVED IN THE APU - THOSE WHO ANSWERED "YES". And the next generations of officers are those who will also receive ideological pumping at school, school, etc. It is clear that many answered so for the sake of a warm place and hoping that they would not have to fight against Russia. But they said yes. And now it is these people who are the supreme command of the VSU.
    2. +5
      28 February 2017 15: 31
      Pashtun with a Ugandan is not an example. In general, they simply do not need to meddle, and nothing more. And about "not inclined" ... who shot in Babi Yar? You take an interest. And there is still a lot of ... interesting. I also advise you to be curious about participating in the Chechen war, and even recently among Georgians.
  8. +7
    28 February 2017 08: 52
    N-yes, a sad sight, but predictable. What did they think, brought fascists and traitors to power on the Maidan and now they will live like in a fairy tale? No: - what you sow, you will reap. And according to the video itself, I served in the very beginning of the 90s near Moscow, when the country was bursting at the seams and also in air defense, but even then we had orders of magnitude greater in our unit
    PS When you shoot on the phone - hold it horizontally, but you do not watch TV vertically
  9. +4
    28 February 2017 09: 34
    And, of course, about what constitutes the army of that state, where, due to circumstances, Soviet officers "got" in 1991.
    To be honest, these guys just ran away (I wanted to write a tougher word, but no way!) And we have enough of such a mess for our colleagues, it all depends on the commander. In 2000, “double basses” were sent to me to replace them in the Chechen Republic .. ..Then it was possible for them to conclude a contract for 6 months. Oh, how much we planed them with all the proletarian hatred! We got our way. Some of them fired with a bang, they cut the rest. They also arrived with the words: “We weren’t hired, but we came to fight! "The same with 404! There is also a" bardachello ", there is an order. Sadly that's all ...
  10. +4
    28 February 2017 09: 53
    Unfortunately - or fortunately - in the case of a real, serious danger - there are commanders, and spiritual leaders, and experts in military affairs; there are enough examples in the history! And the APU has enough resources ...
    So, the task of the DPR and LPR is to prevent such leaders from advancing! In the meantime, they lose in this: Batman, and Motorola, and Givi ...
    ... We lose in quantity - we win in quality! It is on this "quality" that the blows of the Kiev junta are directed!
  11. +2
    28 February 2017 10: 37
    A good article .... with a sense of sense with the layout .. +.
  12. +1
    28 February 2017 10: 50
    ffffuu !!! pigsty))) at the term 94 we had better)))
  13. +4
    28 February 2017 11: 25
    Kontraktniki APU showed "inhuman conditions" of life in the barracks ... Bedside tables, in which the doors are kept on parole. Toilets that are clogged in the morning almost immediately. Windows, transom which is almost not closed. And dirt, dirt, dirt. “This is how we serve ...” And these words are not the boys, who in their lives saw only that the school desk and their own cows and pigs in the yard. These are the words of healthy 40-year-old men.

    So this is not the first such movie. The "evil Odessa" a year ago had a post about the 137th Marine Battalion:
    There is no heating and water in the unit, the barracks are not repaired, and the servicemen huddle in tents. A toilet (such as a toilet) is one for several hundred people, among which there are girls.

    Moreover, this story dragged on for several months, and the alarm was sounded only in December ..
    When bmpd reposted this news, there was unanimous perplexity in the comments:
    What kind of command and sergeant staff are there that are not able to equip their own lives

    damn, I wonder how many fighters there?
    Take out the garbage, glaze the windows, fix the pipes, paint.
    If the sewer does not work, first dig a cesspool and equip a toilet like a toilet
    Put together Nara, cover with mattresses, for the first time it’s normal
    the only thing you need is money for paint, boards, plumbing, pipes. Maybe also on plastic windows. But there’s not much and is better than suffering on the street

    And before that, back in 2014, people were amazed at the inability of the soldiers of the "best army of Europe" to open the usual drainage ditch around the tent: "Lying in the mud and cursing to everyone but themselves. Yes, we would return the sergeant-master for such a tent installation ... and you would ... dry.".
    And how skillfully they disguised themselves as APU in future boilers ... smile
  14. +4
    28 February 2017 11: 29
    Everything is true and written well. Hey Gorby, this is the civil war in the USSR. So far, without nuclear emissions.
  15. BAI
    +2
    28 February 2017 11: 29
    There was a series of articles on this subject in the Internet, from a Ukrainian artillery officer, serving in training, preparing personnel for the Armed Forces, including the ATO.
    The mess is about the same. But old self-propelled guns are restored from the state of metal to battle-worthy vehicles (they can shoot and move). These are just such men of age, but with hands. And there are a lot of old equipment in Ukraine.
    1. +3
      28 February 2017 12: 16
      Quote: BAI
      There was a series of articles on this subject in the Internet, from a Ukrainian artillery officer, serving in training, preparing personnel for the Armed Forces, including the ATO.

      There, by the way, the reasons for this mess were described:
      1. Ordinary spit on everything
      2. The junior command staff either doesn't give a damn, or he's just afraid of the rank and file.
      3. Thump all!
      1. +2
        28 February 2017 19: 57
        Quote: Alexey RA
        1. Ordinary spit on everything
        2. The junior command staff either doesn't give a damn, or he's just afraid of the rank and file.
        3. Thump all!

        Funny ... Ordinary thumps ... Have you drunk a lot in the army? It’s enough to count fingers on hands ... And the command staff ... There are no commanders there ... This is written
        And the worst thing is that these “soldiers” will shed a lot of blood .. Only at home, not in the Donbass. Such an infection does not pass quickly. Blood has a strange property. You get used to it ... Some even drink ... fresh ...
        1. +1
          1 March 2017 10: 09
          Quote: domokl
          Funny ... Ordinary thumps ... Have you drunk a lot in the army? Fingers enough to count ...

          Duc ... in the absence leadership and guiding role the command staff quickly turns into "avatars".
          Quote: domokl
          And the command ... There are no commanders there ... This is what is written

          There, the commanders are very peculiar - a kind of "war leaders." That is, he commands only in battle or in exercises, and the rest of the time l / s is actually left to his own devices. The internal service charter is apparently considered a legacy of malignant dominion and violence against a free person. smile
          Yes, and the Charter of the guard service - also, judging by the fight at the checkpoint of one of the units of the Navy with the snatching of an automatic machine at the sentry.
  16. +8
    28 February 2017 12: 10
    kryndets .... My company foreman Art. Ensign Bobrik would have lost his speech, but it would have lasted for about 5 minutes no more --- then the lazy imbicillas decided the speech and quickly remembered the skills of plumbers, joiners, welders carpenters.
  17. +2
    28 February 2017 12: 26
    "someone come and order nave"?
    and what hands do these lazy downs have?
    db!
    1. +4
      28 February 2017 13: 19
      Quote: 01-02-2000
      and what hands do these lazy downs have?

      What do you mean why? In order to rake the indemnity, which they will definitely pay out the masks. smile
      Ponomario swore with a savory cava, they’ll pay!
    2. +1
      1 March 2017 01: 22
      Those who have hands and brains for them have long been working in Russia
  18. +4
    28 February 2017 12: 28
    Well, if they want to run to their Ganks and Svetlankas, let them run away - but they don’t run away therefore and turn into biowaste - and rightly so !!!
  19. +2
    28 February 2017 13: 53
    The article is perplexing, chesslovo! What the author wanted to say by this is incomprehensible. And so, all in the spirit of "not guilty of us" ... Why then does this crowd of "men with machine guns" not restore order in their own country and in Kuev in particular? We do not want to fight, in fact - "fighting"? There is nothing here to discuss this bunch, the so-called APU, because they have brainwashed, they themselves "serve" and they have weapons, from which they still have time to shoot. It would all be a little different (God forbid, of course), we would beat ourselves with a dirty heel in the chest, saying that we are the most powerful army in Europe. And so, it's all snot ...
    1. +1
      28 February 2017 17: 37
      The right decision is .... Why discuss what we can handle .... I’m approved, sir ... We don’t have to tell tales about the “happened”. It didn’t work out because it couldn’t work out .. Russia is not Moscow and St. Petersburg ... In Russia they’ll twist their heads “very smart” much faster. right after the Moscow Ring Road ...
  20. +2
    28 February 2017 14: 18
    Quote: siberalt
    Yes, then the contractors. They have socks, and they should wash the laundress, what is there to be surprised? laughing

    C / c / c discord, we in Chechnya just didn’t do anything, even we put the stoves ourselves.
  21. +2
    28 February 2017 14: 55
    Can anyone remember the old Soviet film "Winner" with Zharikov in the title role? There, his hero, the commissar, and in the past, the full St. George cavalier, was taken prisoner by the shell to the whites. In the morning, the old sergeant-servant, who had great respect for Cavalier, led him for questioning in the morning. Through the courtyard, where the "white" soldiers of all ages performed morning procedures. The hero of Zharikov, having looked around, said to the sergeant major: "Hey, father, that they are so unprepossessing with you?" He replied: "What do you want ?! This is an Elets mobilization! Army, eat it!"
    Here are those in the video, not the Army, the "army" ...
    1. 0
      28 February 2017 15: 03
      Quote: Rusfaner
      Can anyone remember the old Soviet film "Winner" with Zharikov in the title role? .

      In "Winner" like Zbruev starred ...
      1. 0
        1 March 2017 09: 01
        Sprinkle ash on my head! I found an eclipse - I thought about Zbruev, and why I wrote Zharikov - I do not know.
        Age...
  22. +4
    28 February 2017 15: 16
    "Real war" there is only on one side - from those who defend their homes, their cities, their own language - or, as they say now, their "national identity"! And for those who came to “pacify” them, it’s just another predatory raid, a pirate raid ... In the war they would have learned at once discipline, and hygiene, and order, and - no booze ... Because all this is in the war - Yes, and in the army in general - it preserves at least health, and as a maximum - life, and in addition leads to victory over the enemy! The inexorable logic of the "big battalions" ... any soldier, even in field exercises, ceases to be sloven: discipline is an internal need of the army, no democracy and tolerance! Everyone is ruled by a dire need ... recorded in the Statutes and Manuals on combat work ...
  23. +2
    28 February 2017 15: 46


    educational program dill
    1. +1
      28 February 2017 19: 51
      why passport in the army?
      the ammunition point at the shooting range is organized on a table, not in an isolated room!
  24. +2
    28 February 2017 16: 08
    It is really impossible to defeat such an army ... Not because this army is strong and can easily defeat you. Not. There is simply no such army. There are "men with machine guns." But there is no army. Do not need

    Army-reflection of the state and society. The Ukrainian society had no experience of war, there were no terrorist threats, etc. The society relaxed .. it burst open — some into the woods, some by firewood. Accordingly, when an urgent need arose for a couple of years to organize an absolute order and discipline is not possible. But war teaches. She is the inexorable and most demanding teacher. Prize is life, punishment is death.
    1. +7
      28 February 2017 17: 26
      Quote: Catherine II
      Ukrainian society had no experience of war

      Sorry, but you just put forward an idiotic thesis ... On any mass grave of the Great Patriotic War there is a surname "o". And any fighter who has ever seen grenades from an RPG fly will say Ukrainians are normal fighters ... Those Ukrainians who are today aunts ... I had several Ukrainians in my unit (by the way, they encouraged this name in every way) and not about one of them, I can’t say that I’m not glad that I served with them ... Cool guys, not rotten ...
    2. +3
      28 February 2017 19: 09
      Quote: Catherine II
      Ukrainian society had no experience of war, there were no terrorist threats, etc.

      The overwhelming number of Soviet troops did not have this either. But the order in the barracks and field camps for some reason was.
      Even in the army of the Russian Federation in a cropped air defense system in 1993, the location was maintained in its normal form.
      Quote: Catherine II
      The society relaxed .. it burst open, some into the forest, some by firewood. Accordingly, when an urgent need arose for a couple of years to organize an absolute order and discipline is not possible.

      For how many years of neutral and non-belligerent Switzerland the army has been looking at your theses with bewilderment. smile
      Quote: Catherine II
      But war teaches. She is the inexorable and most demanding teacher.

      Compare the positions of 2014, 2015 and 2016. The difference is only in the assortment of garbage around.
    3. +5
      28 February 2017 19: 51
      Quote: Catherine II
      absolute order and discipline is not possible.

      crying Well, where have you been before? Why didn’t these words be said to my foreman? crying He organized a bastard order in an hour or two ... Even in the woods in tents ...
      1. +1
        1 March 2017 10: 11
        Quote: domokl
        crying Well, where have you been before? Why didn’t these words be said to my foreman? crying He organized a bastard order in an hour or two ... Even in the woods in tents ...

        Probably, by totalitarian politically incorrect methods violating human rights. smile
  25. +3
    28 February 2017 16: 15
    It struck me. that a serviceman, not a kid spirit, but a contractor, after a week of service can’t accurately name the number of the barracks and his battalion ..
    1. +6
      2 March 2017 17: 53
      The same drew attention. A few people were confused with the battalion, the barracks.
  26. +1
    28 February 2017 16: 37
    It is a pity that the cons can no longer be put, conversations began, crushed by tanks, one rifle for five, and it’s not far from Mikhalkov’s pegs. Lost all respect to the author!
    1. 0
      28 February 2017 17: 28
      crying The author is crying ... Have you ever read the article? Or just talk?
  27. +1
    28 February 2017 17: 25
    Quote: Catherine II
    ... Accordingly, when an urgent need arose for a couple of years to organize an absolute order and discipline is not possible.
    what is the need a couple of years ago?
  28. +1
    28 February 2017 17: 43
    Looked ....! Really typical barracks .... In one of these I spent two years .... There was no hazing .... Even the "apricots" and "tomatoes" were friendly to others .... And that was ..... It’s even scary when .... True, the officers began to transform ... Although before the "coup" in 1991 there were still 16 years of quiet, peaceful Soviet life .... But everything began to change dramatically after the Summer Olympics in 1980 .. ..And these warriors of the outskirts, we have no right to judge .... Life is such ....!
  29. 0
    28 February 2017 19: 27
    the article is not about anything, it talks about the modern army of Ukraine and at the same time forgets about the previous state of the army of the Russian Federation, everyone quickly forgot ...
    1. +4
      28 February 2017 19: 41
      Right! And the state of Russian ratification in 1238 is not mentioned at all ... But the most opposite, but where is the analysis of the armies of the north and south in the US civil war? I think we should compare the estimated potential of the armed forces of our Galaxy and Alpha Centauri ... In short, do not show the Ukrainian great army!
      Do you, when the article is written about the Russian army, also ask about the state of the Ukrainian? fool
      How tired over the years this dill approach. "And here you have ... Compared to the US, you ..."
    2. +6
      2 March 2017 17: 58
      Keyword - FORMER. Watch videos for the first Chechen one, for the storming of Grozny. Boys, in the eyes of fear, and the order was executed, several thousand died in Grozny. Outfit - laughter and tears, provision too. And they went forward, they died, the rest went on. This is about the Russian Army. And could these warriors from the video be able to?
  30. +2
    28 February 2017 21: 22
    Fourth year
  31. +2
    28 February 2017 22: 15
    It is just right to write such articles about almost every republic of the former USSR with those or other characteristic differences - and everything will be right. Only here we did not see the main thing in the article - with whom to ask for everything that happened, and is happening in the territory that was once our common Motherland, and which had a proud name - the Soviet Union!
    1. +2
      1 March 2017 04: 43
      recourse Why so? Only for the Soviet Union? Can we ask Moscow for the surrendered to the French? Or for the ruin of Russia by the Tatar-Mongols?
      Asking someone is easy. In particular, half of us were present and silent during the collapse of the USSR ... We sat in our holes ... That suited us. In the kitchens hissed and all.
      There is a concrete look at a specific military unit and a specific army ...
  32. +2
    28 February 2017 22: 35
    I read some incredible snot. The author wanted to weep about the fate of the unfortunate conscripts killing Donetsk residents for 1000 hryvnias? I will not cry about these VSUshniki, even if they spoil their disposition to the very ceiling. I don't care about them.
    1. +1
      1 March 2017 01: 58
      "Heroes" are going to conquer the "native land", "freeing" it from people whom someone has declared "wrong." But in reality they are stupidly going to slaughter. And this is a universal story.
    2. +1
      1 March 2017 04: 46
      Quote: SibRusich
      Did the author want to weep about the fate of the unfortunate conscripts killing for the 1000 hryvnia of Donetsk residents?

      In one film there is a wonderful phrase- “if a person, then this is for a long time.” The thought should be included, and not the slogans scattered ...
      1. +1
        1 March 2017 05: 39
        Quote: domokl
        ". A thought should be included, and not slogans scatter ...

        Just for fun recourse When the site was updated, which of the moderators was for canceling the minuses?
        Sasha drinks I haven’t seen or heard you for a hundred years ... "This is by no means a collision, but feel
        1. 0
          1 March 2017 14: 32
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Just for fun

          Hi ... Do I know who it was for? And no one knows ... This is the editor’s business. His diocese fellow Our business is young .. Cut the saber into a limb and head ... From the shoulder ... soldier
          In principle, if a person is an animal, or a sofa pioneer, this can be seen immediately. We already know our own people and who can also train something bully
      2. 0
        1 March 2017 07: 28
        So I turned on the thought. And your thinker seems to be in suspended animation for a long time. You have to be a person, and not thoughtlessly quote movies.
        1. +1
          1 March 2017 15: 30
          Quote: SibRusich
          And your thinker seems to be in suspended animation for a long time.

          Oh, and you would have flown to my skulls for your bazaar earlier winked Now is your time .... Bye ... Yes
          1. +3
            1 March 2017 15: 50
            I categorically welcome you hi laughing

            Negative feedback (OOS) is a type of feedback in which a change in the output signal of the system leads to a change in the input signal that counteracts the initial change

            - With the abolition of the "minuses" on the site, the OOS disappeared on moronism, rudeness and some other similar, um ... parameters.
            - therefore, the level of these parameters on the site sometimes scales ... quite specifically request
          2. 0
            2 March 2017 11: 58
            I did not expect to stumble upon an illustrious HTML boxer. I’ll run away from such a formidable opponent ...
  33. +2
    28 February 2017 23: 43
    About trenches and positions, yes. Heaven and earth. From the very beginning of the conflict. Over time, this is increasingly noticeable. It’s not even men. The assembly of the homeless Alconauts ...
  34. 0
    1 March 2017 04: 45
    In the Far East in 2013, after training, he served in exactly the same barracks in the atmosphere of the late USSR)) During off-site guards, etc. I saw how they live in other parts and fucked up how well the people are served, single-tiered wide beds, normal mattresses, chic dining rooms, music centers, DVD players and plasma at their disposal, etc., we only had to dream about all this)). But of course we didn’t have srach, these men seem to live in an abandoned building.
  35. 0
    1 March 2017 13: 26
    Damn, in 2007, the training camp after VC was held in about the same barracks. In sunny Buryatia, near Gusinoozersk. A three-story building, in which one wing is completely broken and littered with garbage, and in the second they launched two floors for BSU and for us from Tomsk. Why ukrov watch if we still have such parts. I’m sure that in this wondrous wreck, only the part number on the papers has changed.
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    2. 0
      2 March 2017 12: 16
      here is my barracks. in comparison with 1999 - in general a palace!)
      1. 0
        2 March 2017 12: 27
        I was in that very 46108 :) Perhaps bombed barracks were allocated for partisans. and the soldiers in the same unit were normal. Well, God forbid, that now something has changed there.
  36. 0
    1 March 2017 18: 57
    Quote: fa2998
    A mess! “We serve” is this a crowd of men can’t put things in order in their own barracks? Or send them slaves? What would everyone fix and launder. He would have a “Soviet-style” foreman, with authority, he would restore order. Half was on guardhouse, the second was fighting the barracks! Shame! THIS IS NOT THE ARMY! negative hi

    Bro, mess - he’s not in the barracks. He is in the head.
  37. 0
    1 March 2017 19: 23
    I am sorry for these Ukrainian soldiers performing their (duty). They will be judged by the Ukrainians after the overthrow of the Kiev junta, which seized power in Ukraine.
  38. 0
    1 March 2017 20: 51
    It’s not necessary to recklessly judge all the Ukrainian Armed Forces by one video of one particular part. I simply can’t say more.
  39. 0
    2 March 2017 12: 37
    puns - Powers liked the pun especially in the light of Samantha Power’s tenacity
  40. 0
    2 March 2017 18: 43
    The words in the title of the article are not about the APU. They are told about another army. About our army. And they are not said with malice, but with pride. But after the video they acquired a completely opposite meaning for the APU. At least in my head.
    You can wait a long time when the Slavs die.
  41. 0
    3 March 2017 08: 11
    Look, what would happen in the Russian Federation, and theft and collapse of everything in the early 90s in Russia was an order of magnitude more than in Ukraine now.
  42. +2
    3 March 2017 13: 41
    A hundred healthy men and can’t put things in order. Although it’s minimal. Seal the windows, tidy up. They just sit and whine. He damn it to live there and more than one day.
  43. +1
    4 March 2017 08: 58
    Well, yes, Alexander Staver, finished writing.
    In principle, from the point of view of some of my opponents, I should gloat over the opponent of the Republicans. The worse the APU, the easier it will be for the armies of the LPR and the DPR. May be. Only now I do not want something. You look at the faces of ordinary Ukrainian men who talk about their "service" in the Armed Forces and understand:
    You will ask to regret the “simple peasants” who would gladly have such an opportunity to have been sent across the territory of the Russian Federation. These same "simple kripaki - Mazepans" galloped their entire country on Madan and in their huts. The same "simple" Petro chose "Roshen" and the prophets from the Verkhovna Rada.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 10: 21
      belay Where's the commentary on Bandera? Why is there nothing about the betrayal of the ideals of the revolution? And nothing about the Russian world ... It's a shame. It should be written something like this: Are these pan-dish non-humans? so surf the internet. You will find hundreds of such articles ..
      The conversation is not about politics, but specifically about the state of the army. It is from the point of view of a military man. But you can hate the enemy, but you can’t disrespect ... Many of the “teeth” on this have broken
      1. +1
        4 March 2017 19: 01
        Domocles, I respect your work with respect (after articles about the Crimea). But let me myself (as a former citizen of Ukraine, and then by misunderstanding), judge "hoo-hoo" in this country. Let’s agree with you right away.
        1. What does the comment on Bandera have to do with it? By the way, about him too: you are well aware of the course that for 23 years there has been "creeping banderization and rogulization" of all regions of this artificial country. Even in those regions natively loyal to the Russian Federation and well related to the Russians. Even the media that shouted: we love you Russians changed at the moment. I’ll pour you a lot of examples in the dispute (if you don’t mind of course). Take Odessa: yes there is about the Russian community, and this city itself was NEVER Ukrainian when it was not, in the days of the USSR, and the Ukrainian language could not be heard there. But in 23 years, Nezalezhnesti and two Maidans, working and prosperous Russian Jews, left there. But selyutnaya rogulnya from Khmelnitsky and Ivano-Frankivsk regions arrived. In plus, rotation of the Ukrainian power and power structures, and for 23 years they had a variety of types. What do you think in which direction will the percentage of loyal Russian politics shift? I won’t tell you! In 2014, after the declaration of independence of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and in the period before the Return to Russia of Crimea, my friends called and had a rather strange conversation inexplicably drowning about what frights the Ukrainian region wanted to become independent with and why we need Russian legislation and the ruble financial zone. Take the Kherson and Nikolaev regions, in which, after 15 years of Independence, there were very few Ukrainian speakers. But now in Kulbakino (you know where it is), the former commander of the APU air wing has registered. And this inhuman, called my friends bragging about his earnings in the ATO (in bucks) and his new position.
        2. How else can I relate to the dumbfounded and drunken gastras and the homeless, who first ruined everything in their own West Ukraine. Then we arrived in Kiev, but I was sold to NATO and the United States. They promised in the EU that there will be a Muslim caliphate and a Turkish protectorate in Crimea - this is not me writing, it was said by Razumovsky and Korchinsky. And the Kiev residents borshch and pies, home rolling, carried in tents! :) This herd deprived me of all my constitutional rights: my vote in elections, my opinion in referenda. Do you propose this to me, to exchange for compassion for the residents who, instead of dispersing the Maidan with a pitchfork, choppers and a dresco, helped them themselves, or sat at the TVs with a beer and a ram? Where I ask at that time were those who are now broadcasting in talk shows of the Russian Federation and in Ukraine. I deeply respect Azarov, Kot, Olennik and Simonenko, and others - but where were they in winter in 2104 ?! am sad
        1. 0
          4 March 2017 19: 51
          The fact of the matter is that sitting on a sofa in the Crimea or in any other region of Russia, you can tear a vest on your chest. I would ... if I would ... But as adults, we must understand that most of those who "fight" today have actually surrendered for a long time ... But there is nobody.
          No matter how we relate to Ukraine, to the government of Ukraine, we cannot call a whole nation idiots ... Intimidated, duped ... But they are beginning to see. but those who begin to rock the basement and fill the SBU. Not so simple. Units may join the armed struggle. The rest, alas, will wait for the hero-liberator.
          How much is real in Crimea, where the majority of the population is Russian, got up with batons, armature, hunting rifles at the border? Only real? How much was ready to die for the Russian Crimea? What percentage of the population? 1? 2? or xnumx?
          1. +1
            4 March 2017 20: 31
            Tovarisch, what are you writing? Are you out of your mind? Or something found on you ?! I have been recorded in all information bases of Ukraine as a person working only on / in the structures of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. What are the figures and sofas?
            When you try to enter the territory of Ukrov, they will tie me to the SBU. :)
            What did you use there? What kind of fittings in the 21st century. I know a man who was sitting with a pump on the bridge near the Sivash railway station and I know those hunters who were at Arabatka. Itself equipped the block posts in Dzhankoy and at Sivash on Chongar. We drove the FS blocks and Alma there.
            Received and deployed troops of the Russian Federation. They helped unload transport aircraft and illuminate parking lots.
            I think it was you who deployed and equipped the camp of Minister Shoigu at the a / b Guards -1 in Simferopol district? Personally, I did not observe there in 2014, even within a radius of 8 km. from the runway! In military unit 49635, even the cleaning ladies were given medals. And in gratitude to me for 4 months of hard and difficult work, now they are hanging noodles from a distant - far from ears, about the "protection of Crimea". To a person who himself is not a pensioner, but who is familiar with the Union of Military Retirees of Crimea, you write fairy tales.
            PS: you are the residents of Kharkov, Sumy, Donbass, now tell us how they 2 times for both the Maidan, Crimeans merged and sold ukram, for nishtyaki. Remember such a Congress of the Union of South-East of Ukraine, in 204. Ask Crimeans how then they spat and materials of continental ukrov? Do not want to ask such a question? And where did Yanyk run after Maidan? Not a fig not to Donetsk or Lugansk and not to Crimea, with Odessa. And to the Jews Dobkin and Kernes, in Harkov. In the city which is for gesheft and nishtyaki, has already betrayed the Crimea. And then he yelled in the Crimea: - "Vovik, save me."
      2. +1
        4 March 2017 20: 13
        The conversation is not about politics, but specifically about the state of the army. It is from the point of view of a military man.
        From the point of view of a man who worked for 25 years in the structures of the Air Force of the Black Sea Fleet, everything is clear and understandable to me. And your message itself is not clear to me. As a seasoned person, I’ll say: that Ukrainians would surrender Crimea in a couple of months, just showing off a little. Moreover, the Air Defense and Air Force Ukrov in the ARC were, to put it mildly, in a deplorable state ...
        It was only they themselves who shouted that in 2014, special forces of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation disabled air defense wing planes at Belbek airport. Few people know how the armored personnel carrier of the Marines was slowed down by an interceptor trying to take off from this a / b. And the air defense of the peninsula in general was, how to say it without a mat. Having sold air defense systems to Georgia, Yusch was thinking about something besides his own pocket. Having been at the former artillery base in Mashino (Ukrainians reduced and disbanded it for 23 years), you can watch the Buk air defense system battery in which the hatch does not put on the stock to open the hatches! And the gun trunks that rusted inside!
        Tanks and armored vehicles were transported from warehouses in Crimea, which was easier to drown in the Black Sea. For the first time in my life, I saw an ATS -52 tractor and an ATL tractor whose bottom has decayed! And as thick as tar was pouring from the transmission .. And the tanks that were loaded at the Ostryakovo junction in the village of Gvardeyskoe? From them poured all that could result! Poor guys who hauled this stuff with tractors and then many cars had to be loaded with a crane.
  44. 0
    4 March 2017 12: 42
    Some kind of crap, I know the Ukrainians, they have a different accent and dialect, some kind of kuynya is shown here with the Russians !!!!
    What stupid person was shooting this? Che thought a ride? Even schoolchildren in Russia will not believe this kuyn.
    1. 0
      4 March 2017 19: 53
      sad Banned in Google ... It happens. You need to be more careful ... There are about such videos about the sea ...
      1. 0
        4 March 2017 21: 03
        Yes, they need it in Desna and the Yavoriv training ground, these cartels and their creeps. When I was in service in 1992 in the ranks of the Soviet Union, the Dnieper, the Desna training ground itself became a household name, due to a mild climate, swamps and an ineradicable mess and hazing. I do not think that someone naively thinks and believes that anything could improve there amid the collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        I perfectly remember the air defense exercises, where the Tu-200 was shot down by a S-154 rocket. And all the assumptions of the military about firing with the help of missiles of the complex with the letter D. Only in this way could the missile fly over 280km. from the training zone. I know from eyewitnesses that the RCC battery in Partenit was almost disassembled for parts. And when the incident with the Turkish ship happened, the Sevas authorities and the command of the Navy in Crimea laid the blame on the Black Sea Fleet command in the Crimea. Our battery hit border violators?
        I know that the air defense batteries had non-working PUs and faulty TPKs and radars. And then on YouTube, I read the nonsense vines from the Zaporizhzhya military-industrial complex plant that we squeezed out their latest secret radar “without analogues in the world” and dismantled it for study in the CB of the Russian Federation. -) laughing wink laughing
  45. 0
    5 March 2017 12: 19
    However, they shoot daily, and LDNR cannot suppress firing points, or do not want to ?.
  46. 0
    5 March 2017 13: 19
    Quote: 73bor
    These are not soldiers — this is a crowd of migrant workers, talking as if someone should come and clean the “point”, wash the floor, tear the sinks!

    But is it not so in the Russian army? There are no outfits in the dining room - civil aunts are preparing and cleaning, in the barracks - honestly, I don’t know how. When I was in my service (1980-82), everyone "got out" and did it with their own hands. And everything was normal, even the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers did not exist because it was a whining.
  47. 0
    5 March 2017 21: 37
    there is no directing hand, urgent, Russia, the 93rd year, the problems are one to one, everything was solved within one hour. and then the drunken double basses, who think that they all owe it to them, But in general, I don’t know what to call, a cross between mowers, freeloaders who want to enrich themselves in someone else’s grief, Most feel a fear of a video camera (telephone)