On the "Defence Schengen" Europe does not have neither the money nor the desire to

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On the "Defence Schengen" Europe does not have neither the money nor the desire toEuropean politicians have once again reminded of the need to create a unified army. Italian Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti called for the creation of a "defense Schengen" between Germany, France, Spain and Italy. Experts are skeptical about the idea of ​​such an alliance, noting that in fact Europe does not have the resources to its own military bloc.

On Sunday, Italian Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti said in an interview with the Messajero newspaper that European defense requires strengthening cooperation between Italy, France, Germany and Spain.



“European defense should be represented as a single bloc both inside and outside NATO. A Europe of “two speeds” should be not only in the economy. A “defense Schengen” is needed at the expense of strengthening cooperation between Italy, France, Germany and Spain, ”the Italian Defense Minister TASS quoted as saying.

According to Pinotti, European defense should be strengthened regardless of the behavior of the United States.

“European defense should be strengthened not only in order to increase the defensive capabilities of the EU, but because if inside NATO the European states act separately, it will be an element of weakness. It is also important for NATO that Europe be united in a defensive strategy, ”the minister added.

Pinotti considers it important that the countries, which promote the strengthening of the common defense, namely Italy, Germany, France and Spain, have cooperated even more for the early implementation of the decisions taken.

Dreams of a unified EU army

Recall that this is not the first statement by European politicians about the need to create their own army. In March, 2015, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker stated in an interview with the Welt am Sonntag newspaper about the need to create a European Union’s own army as a tool to defend Europe’s interests in the world. “A common European army would show the world that there will never be a war between EU member states. Such an army would help us implement a common foreign and security policy, ”Juncker then said.

Only with its own army, the European Union will be able to respond to the threat of EU member states or neighboring countries, Juncker said. The list of threats, of course, is Russia. “The EU army is needed not to activate it immediately, but to hint to Russia that we are serious about protecting the values ​​of the European Union,” Juncker said.

Then the idea of ​​the head of the European Commission was supported in Germany. Europe wants to defend its security architecture, and therefore it makes sense to create a single army for all EU member states, German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen said. EU countries are increasingly joining forces, including in matters of security policy. “For such an interweaving of armies with the prospect of ever having (common) a European army, in my opinion, the future,” she said in an interview with German radio station Deutschlandfunk.
“We must do everything to prevent the destruction of the world order that we built in Europe after World War II and after the Cold War,” she added.

One more time Junker remembered the need for a unified European army in August last year. “We need a common European foreign policy, security policy and a common European defense policy with the goal of once creating a European army to be able to fulfill our role in the world,” Juncker said at a forum in Austria. His speech was broadcast by the services of the European Commission.

“Tantrums of the ruling Western European elite”

A military expert from Riga, Yuri Melkonov, considers the statements of politicians about the creation of a single European army "the hysteria of the ruling Western European elite."

“The refusal of the United States to pay for the defense of Europe put the Western countries in an extremely uncertain position. Alone, none of the European countries will be able to ensure their security, and the whole experience stories he says that European countries could never really unite into military alliances, except for short-term alliances, and that only with the involvement of Russia, ”he commented to the VIEW newspaper on a statement by the Italian defense minister.

Melkonov noted that a military alliance implies a military adversary, while Italy, France, Germany and Spain do not have such an adversary and no one is going to create it. In addition, the expert believes that these countries have a huge number of contradictions and with the weakening of the role of the United States and NATO, they will all be exacerbated, and even avalanche-like. "This is about the collapse of the bank - all investors will rush to save their deposits," - he explained.

In addition, the expert believes, the impending crisis may cause the collapse of the euro and the economic crisis and "this is much more dangerous than the advance of the hordes of enemy armies."

“In the modern world there is a lot of uncertainty, the United States should define its role in the overall security and economic system. In the US, the main soldier is the dollar, if not, then everything else is secondary. Never was Europe united. The United States bought an expensive European military toy, but cannot keep it endlessly, ”the military expert concluded.

The imaginary Russian threat

Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, in turn, recalled that Europeans recall the need to create their own military associations from the time of de Gaulle.
“And all this time the idea of ​​creating a single European army is being implemented in the form of pshik. There was a time when France left the NATO military organization, but other European countries did not support its idea. All sorts of united eurocorps, which are part of NATO, were regularly created and created. For example, there are joint French-German formations, ”said a military expert to the VZGLYAD newspaper. According to Murakhovsky, all these attempts are an empty game. “As long as NATO exists and the United States dominates this alliance, no more or less independent or even more alternative alternative to the North Atlantic alliance of the European military coalition will be created. All the statements of European politicians about the "military Schengen", the combined armed forces and the European army are empty air shaking, "he explained.

In addition, according to Murakhovski, in reality there is no need for Europeans against someone to unite.

“There is no such threat that requires the creation of such alliances. Here, for example, in the media, a hysteria about the Russian threat periodically rises. To combat this threat, as many as three battalions were deployed in the Baltic countries and an entire rotational brigade of the US Army in Poland, the Baltic States and Romania was spread. When people propose to fight real aggression, they make several other efforts. During the Cold War, 12 divisions, the seventh US field army, British and French divisions were deployed within Germany alone, ”the expert said. He believes that, in fact, now real leaders and politicians really do not believe in Russia or in any other threat to Europe and are not going to allocate any funds for the creation of new alliances.
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  1. +5
    12 February 2017 06: 19
    heh, how trampenko scared everyone in europe laughing
    1. +5
      12 February 2017 06: 39
      Yes, no one was scared there. We have relatives in the GDR of the former since the 90s, there are no panic moods. From the word SOVSEMM, they will deal with short-term problems.
      1. +3
        12 February 2017 06: 40
        and it’s not about ordinary people, but about the political elite ... or the historical establishment? what
    2. +4
      12 February 2017 10: 20
      United Europe, national armies, Russia an aggressor ... All this is trembling. After the collapse of the EU, national armies will be needed only to enable national elites to remain in power. It has always been and always will be. hi
      1. +4
        12 February 2017 13: 08
        The creation of a pan-European army, as presented in the media, will be very difficult. If you create on the model of the Franco-German corps, then immediately the question; whose motorized infantry battalion to send first to break through the enemy’s defense? In words, everyone is equal and ready to lay down their lives for United Europe, and when more coffins will come to France than to Germany ... I would like to look at the French mothers when they learn that their children were breaking through the enemy’s defenses, and the Germans were in reserve. And to make mixed battalions and companies, that is, to call the French, Germans, Poles, Italians into one company ... at this stage this is nonsense of a sick person.
    3. +2
      12 February 2017 10: 39
      Quote: izya top
      heh, how trampenko scared everyone in europe

      This is how they scare each other. Trump scares Europe that protection will depend on how many voiced coins are dumped on NATO, and Europe scares Trump that they will not spend their 2% of GDP on NATO at all and create their own armed forces. Type - Who needs whom? NATO without Europe, just a US military. Although both of them are openly engaged in nonsense, because There is no military threat from Russia, and no other opponents are expected. In Europe, the biggest losses were not military, during the plague and the Spanish epidemic, they found all the other losses in the course of an enthusiastic search for adventures on their ass, going on campaigns in the East.
      1. cap
        +2
        12 February 2017 11: 08
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        In Europe, the biggest losses were not military, during the plague and the Spanish epidemic, they found all the other losses in the course of an enthusiastic search for adventures on their ass, going on campaigns in the East.


        Now the picture is reversed East has come to Europe, this is perhaps the biggest threat.
  2. +2
    12 February 2017 06: 27
    Is this Italian probably also from doctors or economists? Something quite old Europe was crushing .... Have you decided that they don’t need defense anymore and the Yankees will do everything for them? Guys, the enemy has already captured your cities and houses .. Tolerasty, lack of spirituality have eaten you inside like parasites ..
  3. +7
    12 February 2017 06: 28
    When God created man and woman, he immediately distributed roles between them that should never be violated. So, now in Europe things that are opposed to God are happening, many women are doing what they should not, men have become weak and degenerate, and this leads to the death of that order of things that was. According to the laws of nature, if one disappears, another comes in its place, which we are now observing. Muslims are stronger than today's Europeans and they take the place of the weak. The law of nature and nothing more. The main thing is that we don’t forget about it and do not become Europeans similar and we will live and develop further. By the way, Trump, like Putin, understands this, and therefore, if he is not removed, then everything will be fine with them.
    1. +3
      12 February 2017 07: 02
      Quote: Tatar 174
      . So, now in Europe things that are contrary to God are happening, many women are not doing what they should

      When a woman begins to demand equal rights with a man, you throw a bag of sugar on her hump and accompany her to the 9th floor to the apartment.
      Note: Do not allow elevator use!
      1. +4
        12 February 2017 07: 46
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        When a woman begins to demand equal rights with a man, you throw a bag of sugar on her hump and accompany her to the 9th floor to the apartment.
        Note: Do not allow elevator use!

        good laughing ... And if it tells? wink
        "Two godmothers sit and talk on a charm:
        - Semyon, will you enter a burning hut?
        -Nah, I'm not fool
        -And stop the horse for the race?
        -Nooooo ...
        -That's why I respect you, so it’s because you are a man, not a woman drinks "
        1. +2
          12 February 2017 08: 44
          Quote: Rurikovich
          And if you let me know?

          It doesn’t matter whether it is reported or not, but it won’t demand any more rights, that's for sure!
  4. +2
    12 February 2017 06: 28
    Italian Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti said in an interview with the Messagero newspaper that European defense requires strengthening cooperation between Italy, France, Germany and Spain.


    Yeah, a block inside a block (NATO), and then another block in that block ... Dreamers. Didn’t they, from the roshenka, pick up ideas, D, b! laughing
  5. +4
    12 February 2017 08: 31
    These are all the consequences of post-war European hedonism. While the Russians built the most progressive social system on Earth; when they split an atom and conquered the cosmos, as a personal matter and an object of pride of every Soviet person; died on the fronts of the Yeltsin genocide war, Europeans languished in ignorance of what to do laughing with his booty (as Krylenko said).

    So it turned out that now these egoists do not know how, cannot and do not want to fight.
  6. +1
    12 February 2017 09: 45
    Quote: 210ox
    Is this Italian probably also from doctors or economists? Something quite old Europe was crushing .... Have you decided that they don’t need defense anymore and the Yankees will do everything for them? Guys, the enemy has already captured your cities and houses .. Tolerasty, lack of spirituality have eaten you inside like parasites ..

    Yes, whoever she was, but the idea itself is sound, although not new. Since the 80s, if my sclerosis does not change me, the idea of ​​a joint armed force has been worked out. the truth then at the level of the Franco-German either the brigade, or the division. The idea of ​​joint armed forces of the "old" Europe is not without meaning, because all these armed forces of the "Young Front", the armed forces of Lithuania, Estonia, Romania and others only weaken the situation. And it seems the idea just “ripened”
  7. +2
    12 February 2017 11: 05
    World order in a limited territory like Europe ?! belay Do they themselves understand what they say? request
  8. cap
    +1
    12 February 2017 11: 14
    To combat this threat, as many as three battalions were deployed in the Baltic countries and a whole rotational brigade of the US Army was spread across Poland, the Baltic States and Romania.


    A good setup from the United States, in the hope that not one will die, or the expectation that Russia will not have enough missiles at all.
  9. +2
    12 February 2017 11: 18
    The Italian Minister of Defense, Robert Pinotti, called for the creation of a “defense Schengen” between Germany, France, Spain and Italy.

    Wow, the less experience in the military sphere - the more radical the statement - apparently in the simplicity of the soul.
    And now, a specialist in contemporary literature, a former communist, has gone to hawks and wants to create a European military bloc.
    Well, a flag for you (with Usula for a couple) in your hands and a drum on your neck.
  10. +1
    12 February 2017 11: 19
    (To combat this threat, as many as three battalions were deployed in the Baltic countries and a whole rotational brigade of the US Army was spread across Poland, the Baltic states and Romania)

    And what? We ran along the borders of Russia, trampled snow, pofotkalis on the background of the fortress and what next? Is that all NATO can do? They scared the poor fellow Chukhons to hiccups, spent $ 270.000.000 on jogging and transporting equipment and heard the three-toed whistle from our side of Narova. This is a victory, fanfare in the studio!
    1. +1
      12 February 2017 12: 35
      Quote: Lelek
      and heard the three-toed whistle from our side of Narova

      So you can get used to and all “whistle”.
      1. +1
        12 February 2017 17: 19
        Quote: iouris
        So you can get used to and all the "whistle"


        You suggest to shy "hail" or from a tower from a grenade launcher? NATO is counting on this and it would be happy without effort to provoke World War III.
  11. +1
    12 February 2017 20: 00
    And again, the woman is the Minister of Defense, what a misfortune it is! Although the Italian army ................. One papier-mâché is solid.
  12. 0
    12 February 2017 23: 08
    Quote: Lelek
    Quote: iouris
    So you can get used to and all the "whistle"


    You suggest to shy "hail" or from a tower from a grenade launcher? NATO is counting on this and it would be happy without effort to provoke World War III.

    3 world from one VOG? I doubt even wink
  13. 0
    12 February 2017 23: 57
    Quote: KIBL
    And again, the woman is the Minister of Defense, what a misfortune it is! Although the Italian army ................. One papier-mâché is solid.

    Who cares who the Minister of Defense is, especially in a country where defense ministers do not command anything. Well, woman. So what. And we had a man, Serdyukov ... It is still unknown who is better
  14. 0
    15 February 2017 21: 54
    Quote: captain
    The creation of a pan-European army, ....... at this stage is the nonsense of a sick person.

    A poly-state army is nonsense not only at this, but at all stages. You can create it, only she will not want to fight.