The “Redut” and “Polyment-Redut” systems: the troubled future of the fleet

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The creation of new weapons and equipment is associated not only with the regular achievement of various successes, but also with the difficulties of varying degrees of complexity. One of the direct consequences of this is a shift in the timing of individual projects and larger programs in general. One example of such a situation is the development of the newest shipborne anti-aircraft systems of the Redut family. Even after several years of development and testing, these systems still have not gotten rid of all the existing shortcomings, which, among other things, interferes with the implementation of the schedule for the commissioning of ship carriers.

According to various sources, the development of the 9K96 “Redoubt” air defense system could start about two decades ago. The aim of the project was to create a new shipborne anti-aircraft complex with a vertical launcher and the ability to intercept air targets at ranges of at least 50-70 km. The development of the new system was carried out by the specialists of NPO Almaz, now part of the Concern of Aerospace Defense Almaz-Antey. Design work on the subject of "Redoubt" was completed no earlier than the middle of the last decade. Subsequently, tests began on individual elements of the complex, followed by checks of the entire system as a whole. In addition, from a certain time, the Redut complex was the basis for a new project of the Vityaz air defense system. In the future, on the basis of "Vityaz", another project was created by the ship's 9KKNNXX-96 "Polyment-Redut" air defense system.




Corvette "Savvy" project 20380


In 2011, the domestic shipbuilding industry completed the installation of the first Redoubt complex on a regular carrier, which was the “Intelligent” corvette of the 20380 project. Also for the test produced a number of guided missiles 9М96. In the spring of next year, there were reports in the domestic media about the imminent launch of test launches of new missiles from a carrier ship. It was assumed that by the end of 2012, the industry and the fleet would complete the tests of the new air defense system, which would open the way for mass production and full operation.

Nevertheless, for various reasons, the test program with the participation of “smart” was seriously delayed. In addition, there was a need for additional test launches using ground stands. In 2013, the first 9K96-2 Polyment-Redut complex, which differs from the basic equipment, was installed on standard media in the person of the Admiral frigate fleet Soviet Union Gorshkov "(project 22350). It was planned to begin testing the complex of the second model immediately after bringing the launch vehicle to the appropriate degree of readiness.

A few years ago, the situation with the two air defense systems of the Redut family looked ambiguous, however, in general, it did not give much cause for concern. However, it later became clear that both projects faced the most serious problems that may hinder their quick and full implementation. For one reason or another, the Redut and Polyment-Redut systems are still not ready for operation. Moreover, problems with anti-aircraft complexes interfere with the beginning of the service of carrier ships, which has already led to several shifts in the timing of their transfer.

According to recent reports by officials, the date of the planned transfer of the frigate Admiral Gorshkov was recently shifted to the right. Previously it was assumed that the ship could be handed over at the end of the autumn 2016 of the year, but later the dates were again postponed. At the end of December last year, it was reported that the ship would become part of the navy over the next few months. 25 January, the domestic press published a new statement by the President of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov. The head of the organization said that due to the need to continue tests of weapons, the surrender of the lead frigate of the 22350 project is postponed to the end of July.

The existing problems with the lead ship, as well as some other factors negatively affect the construction time of the first production ship of the 22350 project. The frigate "Admiral of the Kasaton fleet" is still under construction. Bring him to the test is planned this summer. The ship will be handed over to the customer no earlier than the end of 2017. If we consider that “Admiral Gorshkov” was laid back in 2006, and the construction of “Admiral Kasatonov” started in 2009, then the current situation may be a cause for pessimism.


Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" project 22350


In the context of the construction and testing of the 22350 frigates of the project, the main factor that had a negative impact on the timing of the work was the problems with the Polyment-Redut anti-aircraft complex. In mid-July last year, the media reported the suspension of tests of this weapon. The reason for the suspension was the current state of the project, namely the impossibility of obtaining the required characteristics. With reference to unnamed sources in the Military Industrial Commission, it was asserted that there is a failure to obtain the required characteristics of the 9М96, 9М96Д and 9М100 missiles. It was reported that the last at that time tests of the air defense missile system took place in June, but did not yield the expected results. Identification of the next design flaws did not allow to continue the tests without failures.

In early August of last year, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the development of promising types of weapons and equipment, reported that the MIC Collegium received from the EKM Almaz-Antey concern a package of documents about testing promising anti-aircraft complexes for the navy. Information from the submitted documents, however, was not disclosed.

10 August - a few days after the announcement of the transfer of documents - it became known that the board of directors of NPO Almaz decided to change the general director of the company. The place of general director Vitaly Neskorodov was taken by Gennady Bendersky, who previously headed the Lianozovo Electromechanical Plant. According to the official press service of the company, the reasons for the change of the general director were the systematic failure to comply with the instructions of the company's management, omissions in work and loss of confidence.

Soon, the Lenta.ru online edition published information about a possible reason for changing the leadership of the Almaz NGO. With reference to unnamed sources in the defense industry, it was asserted that V. Neskorodov was removed from his post precisely because of problems with the Redut family projects and, in particular, due to repeated delays in the commissioning of the complexes. Officials, however, did not comment on such news.

At the end of August there were new reports on the progress of work on projects of the Redut family. After a long period of failures, the military and system developers still managed to conduct effective firing. On August 25, the Corresponding Corvette successfully completed the interception of a target missile launched from a small Geyser rocket ship. The conditional opponent used electronic countermeasures, which is why the Redut complex had to operate in a difficult jamming environment. However, the conditional target was detected and successfully intercepted.


Rocket launch Corvette "Savvy"


It should be noted that this was not the first time that the Redut missiles were successfully used to defeat a conventional target. Thus, during 2015, the military department reported five times of missile firing, which ended with the defeat of the intended target. Four times the Corvette "Savvy" was destroying conditional targets in the form of cruise missiles of various types. Of particular interest are the tests conducted by 1 October 2015 of the year. In the course of these firing, the target of the Redut missiles was not an air object, but a so-called. marine shield mounted on surface platform. Despite the difficult jamming environment, anti-aircraft missile successfully hit the target, simulating the enemy ship. Thus, in practice, the possibility of using existing anti-aircraft missiles and in the role of anti-ship was confirmed.

As recent events and reports show, the Redut and Polyment-Redut projects face certain problems that do not allow them to be adopted by the navy. As a result, a sufficiently large number of ships is not yet able to get anti-aircraft weapon with the required features and capabilities. Moreover, such problems lead to noticeable delays in the delivery dates of already built and tested ships.

For understandable reasons, the defense ministry and defense industry enterprises are still not in a hurry to disclose detailed information on the course of the tests and emerging issues. In this regard, all known data on this subject were published by the domestic press with reference to unnamed sources, which may be the reason for doubts about their authenticity. At the same time there are some possibilities to determine if not the essence of the problems, then at least the sphere where they are observed.

As part of the anti-aircraft complexes 9K96 “Polyment” and 9K96-2 “Polyment-Redut”, several types of guided missiles should be used. These are 9MNNXX, borrowed from the land C-96 ADMS, its modified version 400M9D and the newer 96М9 with higher characteristics. The use of a unified rocket suggests that there are no significant problems with the 100М9 product, since its design has already been tested in the previous project. Thus, the problems of the entire program can be caused by two other types of missiles, which is confirmed by rumors and not officially confirmed information circulating in the relevant circles for the past several years.

As part of the Redut family projects, it is proposed to equip the carrier ship with a universal vertical launcher with the number of cells corresponding to the available spaces. Depending on the type and size of the ship, it is possible to use a launcher with a capacity from 4 to 12 missiles. The installation design allows you to place in each cell of the rocket of other types and smaller sizes with a corresponding change in the composition and size of ready to use ammunition. Starting is carried out in a cold way, using a starting powder charge. Marching engine starts after the release of the rocket from the cell.


Launcher during shooting


Complexes of the family can use various radar equipment to search for targets and missile guidance. The initial detection of airborne targets is carried out with the help of the ship carrier’s full-time radar. Also, radar types "Polyment" and "Fourke-2", proposed for use on ships of different projects, should interact with the system. Medium and long range missiles must use combined guidance with inertial and radio command controls when entering the target area and then switching to active radar homing. The product 9М100, designed to destroy targets at short distances, is reportedly equipped with an infrared homing system with a target lock immediately after exiting the launcher.

To attack targets at short ranges, ranging from 1 to 15 km, a 9M100 guided missile was developed. The fight against air targets at medium range (according to some data, up to 40-50 km) should be carried out with the help of the 9М96 rocket. The objective of the 9М96Д project and other variants of a medium-range missile is to increase the main characteristics of the power plant to a level that allows hitting targets at distances of about 100-120 km.

According to the news of recent months, the projects of the 9K96 Redut naval anti-aircraft systems and the Polyment-Redut 9K96-2 projects have encountered serious problems, apparently related to new types of missiles. This led to noticeable delays in the implementation of existing plans and the repeated displacement of the deadlines for the completion of both the projects themselves and those directly related to them. Apparently, it is precisely because of the problems of the Poliment-Redut complex that the fleet still cannot receive the lead ship of the 22350 project “Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov”. In addition, while maintaining the existing problems for some time, similar consequences are possible for the "Admiral of the Fleet Kasatonov."

Nevertheless, the current situation, being a cause for serious concern, is still not without prerequisites for restrained optimism. After numerous failures and even a change in management of the developer organization, two promising projects show some positive results. Various plans still have to be adjusted, but now there is a real opportunity to meet deadlines.

At the moment, it is safe to say that the navy of Russia will not abandon the anti-aircraft systems of the Redut family. Despite all the problems, the new air defense weapons will be brought to the adoption, full-scale serial production and operation on new ships. However, previously existing problems, even after getting rid of them, will still be reminded of themselves. First of all, they will manifest themselves in the form of a later formation of a ship group with new weapons. In addition, it should be noted that the abandonment of new projects at the present stages no longer makes sense, which is why weapons development should continue until the desired results are obtained.

Despite all the existing and identifiable problems, two types of anti-aircraft systems will still be brought to service by the fleet, although this may still be a matter of dispute. According to the latest data, the first sample of the Polimen-Redut complex, together with the Admiral Gorshkov carrier ship, will be handed over to the fleet in the middle of the summer of this year. The delivery of a new type of lead frigate with advanced weapons will be an important event both in the context of projects of the Redut family and throughout modern stories Russian fleet.


On the materials of the sites:
http://mil.ru/
https://lenta.ru/
http://rg.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://flot.com/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
http://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-13.html

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  1. +10
    30 January 2017 06: 28
    In short, Redoubt shoots well. Gets, sorry, not always.
    But seriously, the more annoying is not the fact that the military-industrial complex can not bring to mind the mind, but the fact that everyone lies. On Channel One, the official representatives of the Navy declare that our corvettes can shoot down any air target within a radius of 150 km; then other no less officials say that everything is bad. That respected bloggers, citing only one well-known and competent source, write that the problems of the 9M96 and 9M96M anti-aircraft missiles have been eliminated, and the perpetrators punished. After some time, they write that everything is bad.
    In short, it's time to connect the GRU. Let the PAAMS drawings be stolen from the British and everything will be in openwork bully
    1. +5
      30 January 2017 13: 27
      Quote: Wiruz
      Let the PAAMS drawings be stolen from the British and everything will be in openwork

      This PAAMS airborne SAM system is inferior to a redoubt already at the design stage, the British have achieved success by reducing performance - this is not our way.
      Quote: Wiruz
      On Channel One, the official representatives of the Navy declare that our corvettes can shoot down any air target within a radius of 150 km; then other no less officials say that everything is bad.

      The EMNIP problem was not in missiles, but in means of guidance of the long-range component of the polymer-redoubt.
      1. +4
        30 January 2017 14: 10
        Quote: KaPToC
        This PAAMS airborne SAM system is inferior to a redoubt already at the design stage,

        what
        In May 1989, a memorandum of understanding was signed between France and Italy for the development of the P / M-V air defense system, and work on it with 1982

        Rif-Fort air defense systems (“dad” of redoubts, the Redut air defense project and was approved back in the 1994 year) somewhere in 1994-1997). “Redoubt” is simply a lightweight version of the Rif-Fort air defense system
        When
        Quote: KaPToC
        PAAMS Shotgun SAM
        designed to relieve the Rif-Fort air defense system and there was no hearing

        Quote: KaPToC
        the English

        SAM there is more Italian-French (by 90%). T.ch. rather Franco-Italians
        Quote: KaPToC
        haste due to performance degradation is not our way.

        Yes?


        As the results of computer simulation and field tests show, long and medium-range missiles (9М96Е and 9М96Е2) are capable of hitting a tactical missile with an 0.7 probability. In the remaining thirty percent, the deviation will be only a few meters.
        When firing at an airplane, a missile will fall with a probability of 80 percent, and when firing at a helicopter - 90 percent.
        The controlled field of destruction of a warhead whose mass is 24 kilograms is provided by multipoint initiation.


        Deployed:
        England, Farncia, Italy I will not mention in vain
        RSS Steadfast (Formidable class frigate) of the Republic of Singapore Navy: Aster 15 30 missiles


        Kalaat Béni Abbès Algerian Navy

        Tahya Misr Egyptian Navy
    2. PPD
      +3
      30 January 2017 22: 28
      You can connect anything, even the Ministry of Emergencies, at least a trade union, at least a border shepherd.
      It’s time to understand that it’s impossible to stuff everything you want into a ship with a displacement of 1800 tons.
      Physics do not care about all the admiral’s Wishlist .2 + 2 is always 4. And not like a comrade, the admiral will order from 5 to 7, even up to 8. In wartime, everything that they want to put into it did not climb into ships with much greater displacement before.
  2. +3
    30 January 2017 09: 01
    As they say: Freshly published, but XERRY with difficulty. There is already some hopelessness with this Redoubt. Sad city
  3. +6
    30 January 2017 09: 17
    Yes! There are a lot of assumptions and versions! Here is another one:
    If we analyze the leaked information, then another one arises. As you know, the development of the S-350 Vityaz began after Almaz-Antey won the tender and developed KM-SAM medium-range air defense systems for South Korea quickly and quite successfully! At the same time, Al-Ant management mentioned that during the development they were given access to ANY (!!) elemental bases of "foreign" production. Perhaps this is the "dog rummaged"? Quickly setting up production of analogues is extremely difficult, and import, after the imposition of sanctions, clear pepper was blocked ....
    Then it becomes understandable that over-optimism about the "Knights", which are "just about ..". and "Poliment-Reduta", which has already been set ....
    Well, in general, the situation for high-tech weapons is quite trivial, and not only for Russia (they won’t bring Bulava to mind! But mattresses, how much with their F-35 they’re muddy ... but the machine is still raw!
    1. +7
      30 January 2017 12: 41
      The element base is now based on sparc architecture, there is a four-processor Elbrus-90 Micro. It began to develop in the 90s together with Sun, the Koreans have nothing to do with it at all. Now it seems like they are putting the R-1000, dope is enough for the eyes. Previously, they used the CVC assembled on fine logic, but this is S-300PS and older.
      1. +1
        7 February 2017 00: 50
        Element base is your only calculation? But for example, does the homing head itself contain no other element base?
        1. 0
          7 February 2017 21: 36
          They make small logic all the more since they themselves can design and produce CPUs.
          1. +1
            7 February 2017 21: 46
            Is there only logic in the head? Antenna and sensitive elements are not there?
            1. 0
              8 February 2017 07: 47
              Have antennas themselves been doing all their life? None?
  4. +15
    30 January 2017 09: 22
    No need to panic, no need. It is impossible to quickly create a complex complex with transcendental characteristics created under conditions of "effective management" and personnel starvation, and possibly direct wrecking (example proton engines). But! The complex shoots and that characteristically hits the targets. Life is not a computer game: ... there are disappointments in life ... but it will pass. Learn what difficulties were overcome when creating such weapons systems in the mighty USSR and do not tear your hair.
    Perhaps it’s time to introduce “sharashka”, and the competent authorities should work more thoroughly and faster because the fifth column has already really reached.
    1. +10
      30 January 2017 12: 57
      To introduce “Sharashki”, they say, not for money, but bread snacks and a promise that they would not be shot right away, and would you begin to work for “yat” for the benefit of overseers? It was, everything was already. Remember the uprisings in the Nazi concentration camps Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz.
      Do you offer to make a concentration camp from Russia? Learn the story!
      Why do they buy Mercians in Russia, and why in Russia so far only fairy tales are told to the people about the Cortege cars for the president, but they use western equipment ?? Chic? Why are the Germans, and even the Britons, and Europe and the United States doing excellent equipment without the "sharashka" and the Gulag? There is nothing to kick at the mirror, as long as there is no one’s head and it’s not the desire to stand up from the couch for elections
      1. +5
        30 January 2017 14: 30
        Quote: Vz.58
        To introduce “Sharashki”, they say, not for money, but bread snacks and a promise that they would not be shot right away, and would you begin to work for “yat” for the benefit of overseers? It was, everything was already. Remember the uprisings in the Nazi concentration camps Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz.

        Sobibor, Treblinka, Auschwitz were sharashka?
        Sharashka were extermination camps?
        But ...
        Quote: Vz.58
        Do you offer to make a concentration camp from Russia? Learn the story!

        Just teach: we now have exactly the second half of the 30s. The monopoly developers for years have been pulling the topics given to them for development, without giving anything workable at the output. And there are no other developers on these topics - so nothing can be done with these monopolists.
        Sharashka was in many ways a means of forcing the designers who lost their coast to solve the tasks on time and strictly according to the statement of work.
        And then in those days, those who were secluded in the design bureau were doing things that could not be described in a fairy tale or written with a pen. Kurchevsky and Bekauri - this is just what is heard. And besides Korolyov, with his initially failed missile, there was Brzezinski, who promised a 42-node tower EM and continued to spend money on its construction even after it became clear by 146% that the performance characteristics of the technical specifications would not be achieved (the industry could not make auxiliary mechanisms on increased steam parameters, and ordinary ones, from "sevens", multiplied by zero all the advantages of the new KTU).
      2. +1
        31 January 2017 16: 05
        Oops ... We started with Reduta and agreed before the election ... Could you suggest a bulk to us, a Czech citizen?
  5. +2
    30 January 2017 11: 27
    Quote: Fotoceva62
    No need to panic, no need. It is impossible to quickly create a complex complex with transcendental characteristics created under conditions of "effective management" and personnel starvation, and possibly direct wrecking (example proton engines). But! The complex shoots and that characteristically hits the targets. Life is not a computer game: ... there are disappointments in life ... but it will pass. Learn what difficulties were overcome when creating such weapons systems in the mighty USSR and do not tear your hair.
    Perhaps it’s time to introduce “sharashka”, and the competent authorities should work more thoroughly and faster because the fifth column has already really reached.

    Here's the manager on the right, and you have to start.
    1. +2
      30 January 2017 12: 38
      On right? This is which side of the lens to watch!
      1. +2
        30 January 2017 15: 17
        Yes, I think that both need to be addressed. As for the scarabs, it’s not the angels there, but mainly the “looters and embezzlers” who fell for atonement. And yes, LEARN ALREADY HISTORY!
        1. +3
          30 January 2017 18: 49
          In those days, there was also effective manager.
      2. 0
        31 January 2017 16: 08
        This is which side of the lens to watch!

        With this, with ours, do not wallow. I already understood from your posts that he is "yours." Yes, and his business is clear whose. Would you go to the Echo. Here - in the minority. You won’t win the info war, so just ruin the air.
  6. +2
    30 January 2017 11: 39
    As we need new complexes, it’s not all the same to shoot through “Maryata Island - for those who know in quotation marks”. And then we have what’s not a product, then a flying house
  7. +6
    30 January 2017 12: 15
    With all due respect to the author of the article, with zero information in the article, why such a large but empty volume of transfusion from empty to empty?
    1. 0
      30 January 2017 15: 25
      Quote: okroshka79
      why such a large but empty volume of transfusion from empty to empty?

      They probably pay him, not for the quality of the content, but for the number of letters.
  8. +6
    30 January 2017 12: 19
    Rumor has it that guilty systems are not to blame. For example, "Fourke-2" on corvettes. He was taken from the Pantsir-S complex, lightly oiled and installed in the hope that he and the Redoubt would work. It turned out not so simple. Information leaked to the media that the first hits by Redutom occurred when the Puma was placed on it (that is, the LMS of an artillery mount).
    1. +3
      30 January 2017 21: 55
      Quote: VohaAhov
      Rumor has it that guilty systems are not to blame.

      not really, there was information that the missiles were "lying on some second there." In general, it’s clear that the matter is dark
  9. +1
    30 January 2017 12: 41
    Quote: Vz.58
    On right? This is which side of the lens to watch!

    I think you know who is right-wing extreme here?
  10. +3
    30 January 2017 14: 34
    With the air defense system ,, Redoubt '' there are too many difficulties''In my opinion, this is a dead end project, which spent a lot of money on it. This rubbish will never be brought to mind, and if it is, it will take so long that Russia will receive a morally obsolete air defense system that will cost Russia its weight in gold.
    1. +1
      7 February 2017 00: 57
      there are many "difficulties", but what alternative do you see for him?
  11. 0
    30 January 2017 14: 37
    Excuse me, but what about the UVP in the first photo? Salute guns? On a ship of rank 3?
    1. +1
      31 January 2017 14: 51
      Yes, it seems like PC-10
      120 mm launcher for jamming shells.
    2. 0
      1 February 2017 13: 03
      By the way, yes! There are salute guns there too. They even talked about it on TV. Only a corvette is a ship of the second rank.
      1. 0
        1 February 2017 13: 21
        Corvette sort of like a third. And in any case, only ships of the first rank salute and are welcomed by salute.
  12. +2
    30 January 2017 15: 14
    In early August last year, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who oversees the development of promising types of weapons and equipment, said


    What to expect from the defense industry when the curator is a “philologist”.
    Man stupidly does not understand what language scientists and engineers speak.
    1. +2
      31 January 2017 17: 43
      Well, it’s not necessary to attack Rogozin so much. If scientists and engineers committed themselves to create a workable complex in a timely manner, then they should have done it. If they couldn’t, this is their problem. Nenado was to take such an order. There are others.
      As for Rogozin, then, at one time it was he who made a fuss around the Vostochny spaceport. At each meeting with the UIP I spoke about the mess going on there.
      1. +1
        7 February 2017 00: 58
        There are others.

        Is there any?
  13. +5
    5 February 2017 00: 05
    Welcome all!
    I still don’t understand, the final opinion of “connoisseurs and professionals”? The author of the article, Kirill, described the real problems in testing and debugging the new system, and TERMS OF MULTIPLE MOVEMENTS of admission to combat readiness in the RF Ministry of Defense? Or did he just put together a bunch of unnecessary passages and disparate facts and one big article?
    In military matters, I have passed, although civil electronics, IT hardware and radio engineering, I have been doing in total for several decades.

    But to me as a civil engineer, it still seems that the described problems in the reception and refinement of NEW WEAPONS and SYSTEMS are systemic problems, and their legs grow from the collapse of the USSR, the military-industrial complex and the harmonious system of Soviet military research institutes and the training of new personnel for development and serial production successful military equipment ?!
    Or am I wrong?

    After all, if today, all of a sudden, the country's top leadership takes away from bankers, oligarchs, the Central Bank and successful government officials SO 100-200 billion. and ALL OF THEIR SCOPE will be sent to the military-industrial complex, will the stable results and the NEW WEAPON themselves appear already in 8-12 years, and not in 6-18 months?
    After all, new scientists, engineers, and technicians must be learned, trained, and raised!
    Replacing the German Reich lathe with a “new WESTERN MULTI-AXIAL MACHINING CENTER” or “automatic soldering line” itself will only have an effect on the increased accuracy and processing speed of the “finished part” or deposition of parts and soldering of the "new multi-layer board"!
    But it itself (part, board, module) still needs to be invented, drawn, tested, tested in a whole system of mechanical, electronic, and other parts and “gadgets”!
    In the meantime, I personally see in the army only BAGGAGE OF SOVIET DEVELOPMENTS from the 70-80s, and endless MODIFICATIONS of old and tested systems and weapons ...
    But now the year 2017!
    For such LONG decades of the USSR, the times of Stalin successfully developed nuclear weapons, rocketry, aviation, space flights and the sending of rockets to other planets and more ...
    А present-day Russia of oligarchs and government officials is interesting and BRAGS ONLY new yachts and foreign and Russian small houses_castles and mansions, but races of the "golden youth" ?! Alas, this is reality!

    And if tomorrow is WAR, and not a couple of limited conflicts, which (New Russia and Syria) have already fully loaded the Russian military-industrial complex and army?

    Where will we retreat before the onslaught of "Western and Eastern partners" ???
    - Moreover, this question of mine is not at all idle, but can stand up at any time.
  14. 0
    30 July 2017 13: 53
    Quote: cherkas.oe
    Quote: okroshka79
    why such a large but empty volume of transfusion from empty to empty?

    They probably pay him, not for the quality of the content, but for the number of letters.

    ..and can you just write something? The discussion turns into KVN points for humor, for ur .. The author of the article points for writing this article .. Soon again, however, the ranks will drop ... - generalissimo will appear .. - * there will be no growth * ..
  15. 0
    29 August 2017 18: 14
    What news on polymer-redoubt and a. Gorshkov?