The best multiply shotgun 12-caliber rifles (part 1)

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Currently, multi-shot smooth-bore guns are one of the most popular types of civilian weapons on the world market. The advantages of such weapons are quite obvious: it allows you to shoot faster, without taking the butt from the shoulder and not knocking down the tip. This is especially valuable during hunting, both for birds and animals, and also allows for effective self-defense. A multi-shot smooth-bore weapon has a good rate of fire, which exceeds the rate of fire of handguns, which can be very important in some situations. Smooth-bore multiply-charged rifles are rightfully recognized as effective weapons for hunting, self-defense and law enforcement.

Today, many gun owners give their preference to the 12 caliber, which successfully combines the low price of ammunition and a very large variety of available cartridges: canister, shot, bullet, non-lethal ammunition, signal and even a stun cartridge. Often 12 caliber rifles are purchased as universal weapons with which you can go hunting for birds and beasts, protect the house from uninvited guests, and also practice shooting, for example, on plates.



12 caliber is very much in demand by hunters. It is suitable for hunting wild boar, poultry (pheasant, duck), as well as small forest animals. Experienced hunters call the 12 caliber universal. But for hunting large predators, it is not recommended to use it, even with the most powerful cartridges. By their nature, predatory animals are less susceptible to damage, and in the case of "smeared" hitting the beast, the hunter himself can easily turn into prey. When using a shot, the firing distance of 12-caliber rifles does not exceed 50 meters, which must be borne in mind when sneaking up to the prey. To determine the distance to the target, the hunter can be helped not only by a developed eye, but also by modern devices, for example, a laser range finder, which if desired can be mounted on your gun.

Cartridges of 12-caliber to Benelli M4


In power structures and armies, smooth-bore guns are often considered a secondary type of weapon, putting rifled carbines and rifles in the first place. The first multi-shot smooth-bore guns appeared only at the end of the 19th century - they were models equipped with a barrel-tube magazine. Their reloading was carried out by moving the forearm (pump guns) or using the “Henry brace”. Such weapons were successfully used by the American army in the wars with Spain and Mexico, but best of all smooth-bore multiply-charged guns showed themselves during street battles and trench battles during the First World War. Just one shot of grapeshot or large-scale shot could hit several people at once, according to some sources, Germany even demanded the prohibition of this “barbaric weapon of mass destruction.” Later, smooth-bore multiply-charged rifles were often used during military conflicts, they still remain in service with the security forces of many states of the world.

Modern smooth-bore self-loading rifles mainly use the principle of removal of powder gases. This allows you to make such weapons more reliable. In addition, self-loading rifles are often created on the basis of pump models. All you need is to install a gas engine, which will replace the hand of the shooter. The rest of the design remains unchanged. For example, in our country, on the basis of the MP133 pump-action rifle, the MP153 self-loading rifle was created, in which an annular gas piston was used, it slides along the rifle's store as if on a guide. There is an automatic gas regulator on the MP153, which is also an indispensable attribute of modern self-loading rifles, which allow automation to operate freely with different power of ammo used by the shooter.



Smooth-bore guns acquired particular popularity in the civilian market of firearms. Reliable and inexpensive, but powerful enough, they turned out to be suitable for many purposes. Even despite the gradual decline in prices for rifles, shotguns remain in demand in many countries of the world. At the same time for all mass models of such weapons on the market you can find a huge number of different accessories that help greatly expand the capabilities of the weapon, and if necessary, improve its ergonomics. However, some models of smooth-bore rifles are initially equipped with all the necessary accessories, such a weapon is called tactical. The buyer often needs only to install a tactical flashlight, a laser target designator or a sight (if there is a need to install them).

The information portal tactical-life.com made a selection, which included 12 tactical guns of the 12 caliber. This weapon does not need any refinement or additional body kit, even in the basic configuration it satisfies most of the requests of potential buyers. All models presented in this rating are available on the civilian market of firearms, they can be freely purchased in many countries of the world. The cost of models is indicated for the USA, the prices recommended by the manufacturer are used.

Benelli M4

Benelli M4 is the first self-loading rifle of this Italian company, equipped with gas automatic. Structural originality and novelty of the model have been confirmed by an international patent. The shotgun of the 12 caliber is equipped with a flat front sight with a headset, as well as a diopter adjustable sight. The barrel of the Benelli M4 shotgun is chrome-plated and the outer surface is phosphated. In terms of its tactical and technical characteristics, as well as in the reliability and quality of the materials used, M4 is one of the best shotguns in the world at the time. It is no coincidence that since 1998, these weapons are in service with the United States Marine Corps and the "Seals" detachment.



Benelli M4 semi-automatic shotgun is used in the American police, as well as special forces and law enforcement agencies in many countries around the world. The manufacturer offers different models of M4, for example, a gun equipped with a pistol grip, which simplifies the control of the weapon, as well as increases the versatility of the weapon. Also available is a version with a pistol grip and a telescopic butt, which is folded by pressing one button and allows the shooter to change the size of the gun, reducing it to 13 centimeters. In addition, on the receiver of the weapon is the Picatinny rail, with which it can be installed various types of sights.

Features Benelli M4: barrel - 470 mm, total length - 1010 mm, weight - up to 3,8 kg, recharge - semi-automatic, due to removal of powder gases from the barrel, the magazine capacity - 6 cartridges + 1 cartridge in the barrel. Chamber - 76 mm. Price - from 2 000 dollars.

Beretta 1301 Tactical

The self-loading smoothbore rifle Beretta 1301 Tactical was originally intended for use by military and security forces as a tactical weapon. In the civilian market, this model was presented as a weapon with a high reload rate. It is intended for the arming of security organizations, as well as for the purposes of self-defense and the protection of private property from uninvited guests. Also, this gun can be effectively used for hunting and dynamic sports shooting disciplines.



Experts call the Beretta 1301 one of the fastest guns on the planet. The manufacturer notes that the proprietary system of removal of powder gases works immediately on 36% faster than systems of other brands. Despite the fact that the model doesn’t have a pistol grip, the weapon is considered to be very convenient due to the very wide forend (for the entire length of the under-barrel magazine) and a special butt shape. All the main weapon controls (shutter stop button, fuse button in front of the trigger guard and cocking handle) were designed enlarged - for more comfortable use of the gun. Established sighting devices consist of a front sight and a removable aperture rear sight. Additional can be represented by a variety of sights, including collimator sights, which are mounted on a Picatinny-type rail located on the top of the receiver.

Characteristics of the Beretta 1301 Tactical: barrel - 470 mm; total length - 960 mm; weight - 2,91 kg; recharge - semi-automatic, due to the removal of powder gases from the barrel; magazine capacity - 4 cartridge + 1 cartridge in the barrel, Chamber - 76 mm. Price - 1075 dollars.

CZ 612 HC-P

Today, the CZ 612 HC-P is one of the most affordable models of smooth-bore tactical rifles. It was created by the North American branch of the Czech group of companies CZ. According to the assurances of the manufacturer, this model of smooth-bore weapons is not inferior in its characteristics to more expensive counterparts of world famous brands. Externally, the CZ 612 HC-P is somewhat reminiscent of the Benelli M4, but has a pump-driven recharge mechanism. The CZ-612 HC-P model (Horde Control - Pump) is an inexpensive tactical pump shotgun of the 12 caliber, which is part of the CZ 612 line (the latest model at the moment). Under the CZ 612 brand in the United States, a line of smooth-bore guns of the 12 caliber with Magnum chamber (76 mm) is sold.



The arms manufacturer, the American subsidiary of Ceska Zbrojovka, presented the CZ 612 HC-P model in a very original way at the time of entering the market. The gun is positioned as a ready-made solution in case of a possible zombie apocalypse. And the very name Horde Control - Pump literally stands for "pump-action shotgun for crowd control."

Characteristics: barrel - 508 mm, total length - 1000 mm, weight - 2,9 kg, reloading - manual, by moving the forearm, magazine capacity - 4 cartridge + 1 cartridge in the barrel. Price - 369 dollars.

EAA MKA 1919 MATCH

EAA MKA 1919 Match smoothbore guns were originally created for participants in 3-Gun shooting competitions (pistol, shotgun and carbine). This model is made in the style of the famous M16 assault rifle, largely repeating its elements. The EAA MKA 1919 Match rifle has store power as well as a vapor recovery system that is built into the classic M16 rifle forearm. Also, the arrow has duplicate controls, which allows it to fire from any shoulder with the same convenience.

The best multiply shotgun 12-caliber rifles (part 1)


Characteristics: barrel - 470 mm; total length - 1000 mm; weight - 3,8 kg; recharge - semi-automatic, due to the removal of powder gases from the barrel; magazine capacity - 5 + 1 (10 + 1) cartridges. Price - from 699 dollars.

US109T or Saiga-12

The rating, compiled by the American Internet portal tactical-life.com, hit and the Russian representative. True, in the American wrapper. This is the US109T smoothbore rifle, which is manufactured by the American company Kalashnikov USA. In the basic configuration, this gun is equipped with an ergonomic pistol grip, a telescopic butt and a muzzle brake. The closest Russian analogue is the 12 Saiga 340 performance, the main purpose of this Russian gun is sports shooting. Like the US109T model, the domestic Saiga has a telescopic butt, an effective muzzle brake-compensator and a pistol grip.



Externally, the models resemble a Kalashnikov assault rifle, since, like all the guns of the Saiga series, they are based on the AK's time-tested design. At the same time, they use vapor-automatic and locking the barrel with a butterfly valve. The guns are powered from detachable box stores. In the Russian version, 8 and 10 ammunition stores are available.

Characteristics: barrel length - 463 mm, total length - 1016 mm. Weight - 3,7 kg. Reloading - semi-automatic, due to the removal of powder gases from the barrel. 10 magazine capacity of cartridges + 1 cartridge in the barrel. Price - from 999 dollars.

FN P-12

The FN P-12 is a pump action shotgun that was created by the American branch of Fabrique Nationale. This tactical rifle with minimal bodywork, it was released in the classic style of the company FN - maximum reliability and performance that get along with an unassuming appearance. The gun does not have a pistol grip and any tactical body kit, but is intended to arm soldiers and police officers who are primarily interested in endurance and the maximum possible reliability of the weapon. The chrome-plated barrel, special anti-corrosion coating and aluminum receiver FN P-12 allow the shooter to devote a minimum of his time to the lubrication and cleaning of the weapon. The gun is equipped with a fiber-optic sight-gun, as well as a removable metal sight-entirely. The weapon is an excellent and inexpensive pump-action shotgun, which is a good tactical solution, and also great for entertaining shooting and self-defense tasks.



Characteristics: barrel length - 457 mm, total length - 991 mm. Weight - 3,18 kg. Recharge - manual, handguard. Magazine capacity - 5 cartridges + 1 cartridge in the barrel. Price - from 669 dollars.

Information sources:
http://warspot.ru/6074-sokrushitelnyy-dvenadtsatyy-kalibr
http://vrazgovore.ru/1391-preimuschestva-ruzhja-dvenadcatogo-kalibra.html
http://rus-guns.com/vidy-oruzhiya/gladkostvolnoe-oruzhie
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  1. cap
    +7
    17 January 2017 15: 24
    It seems to me in vain that they missed the fact that Saiga 12 is already in service with the police in the States.
    Thanks, it was interesting.
    1. +11
      17 January 2017 16: 05
      Sergey, thanks for the article! I look forward to continuing.
      1. +7
        17 January 2017 17: 00
        Thanks to the author. Informative.

        But the classification of pump-action shotguns is not done correctly.

        A means of self-defense, one can fully consider only a classic pump-action shotgun. The reason is recharge properties. An opportunity to send the necessary type of cartridge. Such guns are not sensitive to the charge of gunpowder.

        The second one. In the U.S. Army, a pump-action shotgun is used exclusively to knock locks on doors. In another way, it simply does not make sense to use it, because shiutat weapons are already enough.

        There are two types of hunting weapons. Fishing and hunting. Well, amateur. A hunter will not go on a game with a multi-shotgun, strictly because of moral considerations. That's what it is for hunting, so that the game has a chance to survive, and the hunter has a risk to miss the game.

        A multi-charge for fishing is better than a pump-action classic

        A pump-action store, this is the police and amateur athletes.

        So there is not much army in the pump action.
        1. +2
          17 January 2017 18: 06
          That's what I see that all American ducklings with semiautomatic devices and pumps, and on pheasant hunts are not uncommon
        2. +1
          17 January 2017 18: 15
          Unfortunately, with the classification of weapons, the question is complex. There are no standards.

          There are three main classes.

          Army, service and civilian.

          Army only what the army needs. It has its own specifics.

          Service, what is better for the police or security, even hunting - fishing can be brought here.

          Civil, this is all that does not fit anywhere above. This is a smooth-bore shop, it is sports, it is a classic for a collection, it is not a classic but a weapon with unusual properties, suitable only for a collection. This is a weapon of self-defense, a weapon of defense at home. And so on, on and on and on and on.

          Those. proper classification indicates consumer properties. But the manufacturer, in order to expand its market, tries to push the slingshot to army weapons.

          Unfortunately, the classification requirements need to be more categorical.
        3. +3
          17 January 2017 20: 08
          For hunting, semiautomatic devices are the very thing. When "working" on small game, they allow you to hit it even if you miss with the first shot, when hunting large prey, they allow the hunter not to become prey himself. A bolt action rifle is more suited for sports than hunting.
    2. +14
      17 January 2017 17: 41
      Not Saiga, but Vepr-12 and not only in the USA, in France they also saw police special forces with this gun. The Hammer Plant did not fall under sanctions and, in general, definitely respect the shooters here and abroad for its quality and rare work with private clients for Russian state corporations. IzhSmeh, alas, have slipped to outright scammers in recent decades.
      1. Cat
        +2
        17 January 2017 18: 09
        Boar 12 is beautiful! Further emotions.
      2. 0
        17 January 2017 18: 22
        Greenhild

        Yes, the magazine has a smoothbore, such as a boar, a good police weapon. To disperse the demonstrators with rubber balls. There is no critical delay, useful rate of fire.

        As a weapon of self-defense, well, it’s good if there is, but rather a classic pump action.
        1. 0
          24 October 2017 04: 11
          Well, where do you advise? Apart from firing plastic balls at pieces of paper and at best dressed in the style of ala a paintball player, you can’t say anything really about the subject under discussion. If you like God’s “pump-action fetish” for the sake of buying and enjoying there and the reverse process manually. But to advise the hunters, if only hesitate? You have no idea the advantages of semi-automatic hunting just like there are practically no cons. Believe me, as a hunter with a very long track record hunting both trifles and up to the moose, inclusive .. I don’t want to offend you personally, but still .... Do you like to draw conclusions on shooting pieces of iron ... And you have ZERO practices ..
          Now about the subject of conversation. The semiautomatic device has one minus on the hunt ... It is hard to reload it on a hunting trip under the unexpectedly appeared game .. Although I put a small fraction then larger up to small buckshot (options). Having a beautiful semiautomatic device, Beretta Urik envy BELARUS. The latest Boar models are very good ... But in Canada they are banned. Saiga in America to grab. Used Saigas sell for $ 850-900.
      3. +1
        18 January 2017 16: 09
        Quote: GreenHell
        in France, they also saw police special forces with this gun.

      4. +2
        19 January 2017 08: 07
        IzhSmeh, alas, have slipped to outright scammers in recent decades.


        So you probably have the respected Vepr-12, so you glorify it, I bought my Saiga for self-defense and sports shooting, I did not see any marriage in it.
  2. 52
    +6
    17 January 2017 16: 01
    Is this just a review of nothing?
    1. +7
      17 January 2017 16: 27
      began for his health about guns for hunting and civilian purposes and immediately rolled over to tactical. Different tasks and goals of these guns are different ... And none of the presented in the article in any way correlates with hunting - about the slogan "the best" I will not say anything.
      1. +1
        17 January 2017 18: 41
        your1970

        I would not dare to call pump action tactical.

        In terms of quality, not a single pump action can be called tactical. Moreover, in no case can you call a Vepr-12 magazine rifle a tactical one. Because this is not an army rifle, this is once and twice the first statement is categorical.
        1. 0
          17 January 2017 19: 54
          1) then pump-action hunting?
          2) where did you see something about Vepr-12?
          3)author I began articles about hunting and rode off to tactical ones. What have I got to do with it? The only gun about which one can say - "including hunting" in the entire article is only the MP-153 (already 155 now)
          1. 0
            17 January 2017 23: 09
            his

            I gave a definition above to hunting weapons.

            I brought the Boar like a shop smooth barrel. It cannot be tactical. Not a single army soldier will take to battle unknown weapons. What would later be tactical, outplay the enemy. Everyone wants to live. The enemy also wants to live.
        2. +1
          18 January 2017 12: 29
          Quote: gladcu2
          In terms of quality, not a single pump action can be called tactical. Moreover, in no case can you call a Vepr-12 magazine rifle a tactical one. Because this is not an army rifle, this is once and twice the first statement is categorical.


          Tactical weapons - designed to work at a limited distance - machine guns and a smoothbore - completely coexist with the principle of tactical weapons.
          1. 0
            18 January 2017 20: 12
            DimerVladimir

            Well, put yourself in the shoes of a trained specialist who is tasked.

            As an experienced person, this specialist will take into account the property of the weapon to which he is accustomed. This is the effective fire distance, rate of fire, the ability to pick up shelter, and approach the task creatively from the perspective of their capabilities. Create an edge.

            And suddenly, the big Boss comes and says, like, take a tactical device, because everyone does it and everyone does it. I think you will send your boss on a long sexual journey. And you will be right.

            When, you have a mandatory, dangerous job, no one will be engaged in experimentation.

            In this example, you can imagine what a huge difference in the approach to choosing weapons. Therefore, it is impossible to call a store smoothbore a tactical one. Otherwise, some kind of Boss begins advice, and then it will "kill horses."

            Well, if you are going to post-shootings, in a warm company. Well, at least drag the D-30 Howitzer with you. What if Godzilla catches you, and you're tired.
        3. 0
          24 October 2017 04: 18
          Not a single smoothbore weapon is in service in the army. Call anything tactical at least a million times. Some police and security units do not count. tactical smooth-bore guns died like a "rmey" with the advent of the first rifled rifle. And pump-action shotguns are simply an exhausted old design and nothing more. So to speak "for the amateur" of whom EVERYTHING IS LESS AND LESS.
  3. +10
    17 January 2017 16: 10
    LTSU on a smoothbore for self-defense can still be understood ...
    But excuse me, but the laser rangefinder on smooth-bore ... it's something ...
    Hey, birdie, wait a minute, I’ll measure your range .... An epic picture ....
    1. cap
      +8
      17 January 2017 17: 04
      Quote: alex-cn
      LTSU on a smoothbore for self-defense can still be understood ...
      But excuse me, but the laser rangefinder on smooth-bore ... it's something ...
      Hey, birdie, wait a minute, I’ll measure your range .... An epic picture ....


      I agree. Grouse with a range finder? Funny and sad. But there is good luck. An elk (on the chassis, not from the tower) with a corral of 12 calibers 1 shot, from a distance of 100 meters + - (TOZ-34-r, a bullet turbine, one rib in half, the heart on the fly, the bullet got stuck in the second rib without exit), took only one step. The case was long ago, but as if yesterday. hi
      1. +3
        17 January 2017 17: 50
        The witness himself, how almost a hundred meters heaped round a moose with a single shot, without any rangefinders .... He shot his MC so that with a Mayer sight, 90 m out of 4 field 5 lay in the bottom of the bucket ... But anyway from a smooth bullet per hundredth - a lottery.
        1. cap
          +1
          17 January 2017 17: 57
          Quote: alex-cn
          But still, from a smooth bullet per hundredth - a lottery.


          Winning the lottery warms your memory, whether it’s a moose or a Ural motorcycle. I have a different story about Ural. hi This is when Sportloto is taken from your palm, and the other wins. laughing
        2. 0
          17 January 2017 18: 53
          At 100 meters do you need a rangefinder? laughing
    2. 0
      24 October 2017 04: 19
      There are such shots oh burn .... So they also put a rifle optics .... Finally, tin. A hare from one species falls dead on the run.
  4. +4
    17 January 2017 16: 44
    [quote] In the rating compiled by the American Internet portal tactical-life.com [quote] I understand that this article is a reprint of the American rating of smoothbore ... it will be interesting to read about the boar
  5. +11
    17 January 2017 16: 48
    12 caliber is very much in demand by hunters. It is suitable for hunting wild boar, poultry (pheasant, duck), as well as small forest animals. Experienced hunters call the 12 caliber universal. But for hunting large predators, it is not recommended to use it, even with the most powerful cartridges. By their nature, predatory animals are less susceptible to damage, and in the case of "smeared" hitting the beast, the hunter himself can easily turn into prey. When using a shot, the firing distance of 12-caliber rifles does not exceed 50 meters, which must be borne in mind when sneaking up to the prey. To determine the distance to the target, the hunter can be helped not only by a developed eye, but also by modern devices, for example, a laser range finder, which if desired can be mounted on your gun.

    Up to this point I read with interest. Interestingly, the author himself hunts, and did he see what wounds a 12-gauge Poleva leaves from a distance of 100 meters? No. About the laser rangefinder on a flat-bore, generally incomparable. negative
    1. +5
      17 January 2017 17: 15
      I agree, the author is not a hunter. A 12-gauge bullet has a large damaging effect, due to its mass. In general, a lot of books have been written about it. So, a large animal with just the 12-gauge is the most
    2. cap
      +2
      17 January 2017 17: 15
      Quote: Bongo
      12 caliber is very much in demand by hunters. It is suitable for hunting wild boar, poultry (pheasant, duck), as well as small forest animals. Experienced hunters call the 12 caliber universal. But for hunting large predators, it is not recommended to use it, even with the most powerful cartridges. By their nature, predatory animals are less susceptible to damage, and in the case of "smeared" hitting the beast, the hunter himself can easily turn into prey. When using a shot, the firing distance of 12-caliber rifles does not exceed 50 meters, which must be borne in mind when sneaking up to the prey. To determine the distance to the target, the hunter can be helped not only by a developed eye, but also by modern devices, for example, a laser range finder, which if desired can be mounted on your gun.

      Up to this point I read with interest. Interestingly, the author himself hunts, and did he see what wounds a 12-gauge Poleva leaves from a distance of 100 meters? No. About the laser rangefinder on a flat-bore, generally incomparable. negative


      I left a comment on the thread read hi
      1. +6
        17 January 2017 17: 25
        Quote: cap
        I left a comment on the branch read hi

        Thank you, I read it and completely agree with you! Yes I myself have observed approximately the same nature of wounds while hunting a large game. According to my observations, a smoothbore at real distances "immobilizes" much better than 7,62x54.
        1. cap
          +5
          17 January 2017 17: 42
          Quote: Bongo
          According to my observations, a smoothbore at real distances "immobilizes" much better than 7,62x54.


          The given example is a fact. In general, this story with hunting is worthy of a whole story, because the thing was happening in the closed territory of the Strategic Missile Forces troops and civilians should not be there, and the intruder had to be eliminated, so they involved members of the SBI (military hunting society), which I and appeared. And not only me. But the intruder who penetrated the facility was destroyed by law (we paid 77 rubles for a bucket as I remember now). The moose was lifted by an engineering service crane on the basis of KRAZ, the soldiers simply could not raise to GAZ 66. The rest of the herd was expelled, but without a leader. young. There were a dozen moose in the herd, but the rest were forbidden to shoot, only the old leader. Here's the story. I can add that we remembered the leader notably. hi And one more detail. The commander suggested that we take AKM 7.62 * 39 assault rifles, ALL hunters refused. hi
        2. 0
          24 October 2017 04: 25
          Real distances are 50 - 60 meters MAXIMUM. A moose back and forth but in a boar of a running one is very likely to smear in height because the bullet jumps strongly on the trajectory and can either fly or go lower. But 7,62 / 39 with a semi-automatic normal shooter up to 200 meters will not miss even 3 bullets out of 5 will not allow the moose to go further than 30-40 meters. It’s not necessary to put it in place ..
    3. +3
      17 January 2017 19: 15
      Quote: Bongo
      I read with interest to this place.

      If I could, then I put you two pluses. good Not only that, judging by this paragraph, the author is not a hunter, but also very poorly imagined the subject of description.
      Quote: Bongo
      It is suitable for hunting wild boar, poultry (pheasant, duck), as well as small forest animals.

      A strange list: wild boar, bird. No moose? What about a deer? Is a wolf a large "forest animal" or not? request Other "hog" in size is close to the elk, and only 100% stronger on the wound.
      Quote: Bongo
      But for hunting large predators, they are not recommended to use it, even with the most powerful cartridges.

      In our country, the largest predator is a bear. Where hunting for it takes place shortly (on a den, for example), many will prefer a reliable smooth-bore 12-gauge carbine.
      Quote: Bongo
      Oiled hit

      What is this term? Past or out of place? what You might think that if you shoot a bear from a carbine with your thigh, then it will scare you and run away.
      Quote: Bongo
      When using a fraction, the range of firing from 12-gauge rifles does not exceed 50 meters, which must be borne in mind when sneaking up on prey.

      Honestly even funny. No.
      Quote: Bongo
      laser rangefinder, which, if desired, can be installed on your gun.

      This is generally tin. I have never seen a hunter with a range finder on a smooth trunk. belay
      1. 0
        17 January 2017 21: 12
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Other "hog" in size is close to the elk, and only 100% stronger on the wound.




        Indeed, the bear would be afraid to attack this beast.

        http://tass.ru/ural-news/2463611
        1. +3
          17 January 2017 21: 21
          Quote: ssergn
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Other "hog" in size is close to the elk, and only 100% stronger on the wound.




          Indeed, the bear would be afraid to attack this beast.

          http://tass.ru/ural-news/2463611

          looks like photoshop
          Very small hunter - compared to the machine.
      2. 0
        24 October 2017 04: 27
        A bear, yes ... there is nothing better than a semiautomatic device of 12 calibers ... on a den all the more
    4. +2
      17 January 2017 19: 57
      Thank you, colleague!
      Very polite and snout about ... politely.
      What a cultural you are. winked
      With my "tulka" I was never nervous, even 10 meters from the wounded hog.
      But there is something to remember ...
      It is a pity the last years only to the dawn with the ducks was chosen, but I hope ...
      Best regards,
      We have not crossed for a long time - work and an Internet mobile just bought.
      Good luck, and health to you and loved ones.
      hi
  6. +2
    17 January 2017 16: 57
    Have you forgotten about "Vepr 12"?
  7. +2
    17 January 2017 19: 08
    I was intrigued by the words about lowering the price of rifles. Is this a translated article?
  8. +6
    17 January 2017 19: 48
    I fell for an article, and ran into a selection of "beautiful" materials from American advertising sites.
    Nothing!
    It's a pity...
    The hunter himself and the former gunsmith. In stock 4 legal trunk, one of which fits the category of those named in the title.
    Thanks for the article, but I want to say to novice hunters and / or self-defenders, choose:
    - Saiga 12 (not mine and do not ask wink ), but a good piece of hardware (especially after a thoughtful napilling)
    - or Izh 27 with a replaceable pair of trunks - chock-pay and 2 short cylinder (this is a song for beginners, although I prefer the Tula double shotguns - more elegant and mine ...).
    Each has its own minuses, advantages.
    Benelli, Fabarm, Beretta, Perazzi and so on. - This is for the pros (who understand what and how) or a divorce for money.
    Learn to shoot. And you will understand what you need. And for what...

    Best regards hi , and remember - "all hunters are very decent people" (c)
    Lekov.
  9. 0
    17 January 2017 20: 16
    As a security rifle, I liked the US109T. The reliability of the AK circuit, the large capacity of the store, the convenience of shooting offhand advantageously distinguish it from other guns. Benelli M4 also looks pretty good.
    1. 0
      17 January 2017 22: 00
      Quote: mr.redpartizan
      AK circuit reliability
      With such an ammunition, there is almost no reliability compared to a pump, to say nothing of fractures.
      1. +1
        18 January 2017 00: 32
        I have a semiautomatic device of Turkish manufacture, shot somewhere around 800-900. With the right choice of ammunition, distortions, undershots, misfires are not observed. And the AK circuit with high quality workmanship is even more reliable than the Turkish copy of the Italian gun. I don’t see much point in going hunting with the pump its rate of fire is inferior to the semiautomatic device + there is a need for manual reloading (it knocks down the scope), and the mass of the pump-action shotgun is only a little less. Double-barreled shotguns have one advantage - less weight (about 500 grams) and better balance.
        1. 0
          18 January 2017 20: 33
          Quote: mr.redpartizan
          I have a semiautomatic device of Turkish manufacture, shot somewhere around 800-900. With the right choice of ammunition, distortions, undershots, misfires are not observed.

          High quality of weapons + high quality of ammunition = high quality of a shot, only in greenhouse conditions ... A bit of a cartridge is not squeezed, do not catch it, the skirt is weak figs to you, and not extraction. God forbid even inside, horrible shandets ....
          A fracture can eat any cartridges, there is almost nothing to break in the mechanisms and you need to try very hard to cram dirt there.
          1. 0
            24 October 2017 04: 32
            In theory, this is so, but in practice, my Beretta for 10 years has never wedged. Never, but I dragged her pretty. Yes, and what does the cartridge "not compressed" or "left" mean .... the cartridge must be standard and standard-good quality.
        2. +1
          18 January 2017 23: 46
          As for the fact that pump-action shotguns have a "slightly smaller mass", one can argue, even from the above characteristics of pump-action and semi-automatic guns, it can be seen that the difference is very noticeable, almost under a kilogram, and this is not small, especially for running hunting rough terrain walk 15-20 km. My Mosberg pump weighs 3,150 with a barrel length of 610 mm, and Izh-27 weighs 3,4 kg.
  10. +4
    17 January 2017 23: 55




    If we keep in mind smooth-bore weapons, that’s all there is to it and which is enough in any situation for hunting. Everything else is no longer hunting.
    The speed of the hare is 15 m / s, the speed of the duck is about the same. Range confident shot shot 12 caliber let 50 m, but in real life less. And why do you need machines? Or game around the shooter will run. In addition, if you do not know how to shoot, no machine gun will help.
    1. 0
      18 January 2017 00: 41
      A lot of people buy a semiautomatic device as the first gun. The most affordable - Russian and Turkish samples, a good trunk costs from $ 700. Purely for hunting, you can take a double-barreled shotgun, but most often use shotguns to protect their homes and shoot sports.
      1. +4
        18 January 2017 01: 05
        Then the article had to be divided into three parts: guns for hunting, for sport and a gun so that it would lie at home (for protection).
        1. +1
          18 January 2017 12: 47
          Quote: Dekabrist
          Then the article had to be divided into three parts: shotguns for hunting, for sports and a gun in order to lay at home (for protection)


          it does not interfere
          only if a short trunk
    2. +2
      18 January 2017 02: 47
      Well, for example, a northerner is a duck or a goose! On kasulu, at the end of the store, mono insert a bullet, and in front of the bucket 6.2 or 7.15. And slaughter is convenient neither break every time, even because of one cartridge. I love the classics I have IZH54 in 1956 in good condition, gave the officer that he was like in the picture.
      1. +1
        18 January 2017 12: 55
        As the British say about a double-barreled gun:
        the second barrel was given to the gentleman not so that he would shoot the wounded duck, but in order to shoot another one.
    3. +1
      24 October 2017 04: 36
      In again .. In theory, yes .. But in practice .. NO. Game, from year to year, becomes a scare. Less and less allows for a confident shot at a distance. Will you challenge? This is where multicharging plays a role.
  11. 0
    18 January 2017 02: 54
    According to the American magazine Guns and Ammo, for 2003, if I'm not mistaken, our Saiga 12 took 3rd place as the weapon of the year.
  12. +1
    18 January 2017 04: 33
    Semiautomatic machines do not particularly attract me. Heavy, long, it’s more difficult to clean after hunting. Yes, and the likelihood of failure is great if some branch gets into the receiver. I myself have a classic two-lane horizontal, just a fairy tale compared to the semi-automatic friends.
    1. +2
      18 January 2017 07: 22
      But the machine has one implicit advantage - how many do not shoot, and clean only one barrel lol
      1. +2
        18 January 2017 09: 11
        Yes, but for semi-automatic machines this is offset by the need to clean the automation mechanisms, especially for our MP-153/155, which have a gas-discharge principle of operation. The Turks are mostly inertia, which are simpler, but I do not trust the Turks in terms of the quality of gun steel. Russian guns have even worse workmanship (backlash, rougher manufacture, even crooked trunks can), but the steel is of very good quality, and the trunks are chrome-plated, which is very rare for foreign cars.
    2. 0
      18 January 2017 08: 48
      For a semiautomatic device, the main cartridge, so that it recharges well and the duck (as an example) is cleanly beaten, you need to use a cartridge for 36 grams of a fraction, the minimagnum of those Krim or the main patron (as an example) 32 will not see this for the classics. And to clean, I clean at the end of the season on waterfowl. For winter, a carbine, saiga 410 is a bullet.
      1. +2
        18 January 2017 09: 15
        It is necessary to clean after each shot, even if shot once. When burning gunpowder, an acid is formed that corrodes the metal, so the weapon is cleaned with alkaline oil, which neutralizes the acid.
        1. 0
          18 January 2017 10: 28
          The chrome corrodes, I know, I go through the trunk with a bolispolom and at the end of the season I clean it completely. But if you clean after every shot laughing you can clean up holes
          1. 0
            24 October 2017 04: 37
            Do not clean the fittings without crushing.
        2. 0
          19 January 2017 16: 18
          Acids formed due to capsules. modern capsules use a non-rusting compound. Alkaline oils are best avoided.
      2. 0
        18 January 2017 10: 21
        A cartridge - yes, it is important ... But my MC without any settings ate everything from 32 to 38 grams, and with an inverted ring and 28. By the way, I ate a raspberry branch almost a pencil thick, only after hunting I saw it in the mechanism. I repent, I had no business with gas vents
    3. 0
      18 January 2017 09: 05
      And why is it easier to clean sorry? AK is difficult to disassemble? At least 70% of the semiautomatic devices work on a gas vent. He unscrewed the magazine nut, removed the fore-end, pulled out the barrel, and pulled out the bolt. I was gaining more time than this ..
      1. 0
        18 January 2017 09: 17
        And at fractures it’s even easier: the forend took off, removed the trunk, cleaned the trunks with a brush with oil, smeared a breech with USM with a cloth, and that’s all.
        1. 0
          18 January 2017 10: 26
          I will share the recipe for the old stands. It’s very good to clean the larva pads ... spitting. Weak alkaline reaction and cleaning properties. Lubricate then of course it is necessary.
        2. 0
          18 January 2017 12: 44
          Saving time of course funded - 2 minutes lol request drinks longer .... longer to lay out rags than the difference in the timing of cleaning between classics and PA to detect ...
          1. +1
            18 January 2017 12: 56
            Actually, I clean the gun every time I shoot it, even if it is a blank shot. And I shoot a gun every weekend, and realized that breaking is the best weapon for a smoothbore.
            1. +2
              18 January 2017 13: 28
              Everyone comes to this, who appreciates precisely the hunt, the process, and not the fire at everything that moves.
            2. 0
              18 January 2017 20: 31
              Actually, I clean the gun every time I shoot it, even if it is a blank shot.-those. if you shoot 10 times for the hunt, 10 times and clean ????? Why ??
              I’ve cleaned after hunting, it’s enough for modern metals, so that rusting processes and so on do not begin.
              about the weekend: it means either a shooting range / shooting range is at your side, or there is a lot of game.
              For example, we (after NG) took only 1 bunny for 8 people, at least we traveled about 20 kilometers. We drove along, dropped off the shooters, we drove along, went to scratch along the forest stands. And the tracks seemed to be, but the weather was not ours and there were no dogs, alas (to keep the dog for 10 outings during the winter, torment her) ...
        3. 0
          24 October 2017 04: 39
          With a broadsword even easier, chopped, wiped his pants and scabbard ....
  13. +3
    18 January 2017 08: 29
    such a good review of "reluctant weapons", for fans of sports and recreational shooting, yes, but for hunting I would not have chosen one of the proposed ...
    1. 0
      14 October 2017 20: 15
      Yes, and would not offer much, for hunting according to the parameters of the legislation, only the CZ 612 HC-P would be suitable for the barrel length is more than 500mm.
  14. 0
    17 March 2017 11: 52
    Where is the information on the RMB-93?
    (http://www.kbptula.ru/ru/razrabotki-kbp/strelkov
    o-pushechnoe-i-granatometnoe-vooruzhenie / boevye-r
    uzhya / rmb-93)
    Type of cartridge ................................... 12/70; 12/76
    Store Capacity:
    12/70 ............................................... 7 pat.
    12/76 ............................................... 6 pat.
    Empty weight ..................... 2,6 kg
    Overall dimensions of the gun
    with folded butt ........
    657x46x162 mm
    Shotgun Length
    butt ......................................
    Also, the sample deserves attention soldier
  15. 0
    April 12 2017 10: 24
    Why in the article MP-153? MR-155 has been produced for a long time. + to kamenty about hunting from 12 "to a large beast. It stops specifically, the main thing is to get there)