Military Review

Sling under the dome

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Since 14, May 1948, which was proclaimed on this day, Israel constantly wages wars with its surrounding states: Egypt, Syria, Jordan, South Lebanon, as well as Hezbollah and Hamas groups. The use of missiles by militants causes the greatest damage, so the fight against them is one of the most important tasks.


According to Defense Minister Ehud Barak, said in June 2009 of the year, multi-level protection against any rocket attacks on Israeli territory is a strategic goal. An integrated missile defense system should initially include four lines for intercepting ballistic objects.

Transatmospheric interception

The basis of the Hets anti-missile complex of the first missile defense intercept line will be the PR Arrow-3 (Strela-3), created using the American hit-to-kill technology (direct hit destruction).

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Boeing since 2009 have been developing the Hetz-3 complex with Arrow-3, which will provide a solution to the problem at high altitudes and distances. The Arrow-3 PR, whose core is the Arrow-2, will be capable of intercepting ICBMs at altitudes up to 100 kilometers and distances up to 1250 kilometers.

Hetz-3 batteries with EL / M-2080 Block B Super Green Pine (or Great Pine) radar will be able to destroy BRs released in the protected area of ​​Israel outside the atmosphere at an earlier stage than Hetz-2, which will allow increase the range of the missile defense by four times. In November 2015, representatives of the Israeli company IAI - Elta announced the creation of a new strategic radar complex TERRA, intended for the early detection of ballistic and aerodynamic targets, their tracking, and also for viewing space. In the future, these radar stations can enter the missile defense system.

It is expected that the first Arrow-3 PRO battery will be manufactured and brought to operational readiness for the 2017 year. According to expert estimates, Strela-3 will be able to hit BRs like the Iranian Shahab or Fatah-110 (Fateh-110), the Syrian Scud, having a range from 400 to 2000 kilometers. Launchers can use other missiles of the Arrow family.

A little closer, a little lower

Sling under the domeThe second line of defense - in the atmospheric section of the missile flight - will be Arrow-2. According to the developers, the guidance system ensures reliable target capture in adverse weather conditions and when the enemy uses electronic countermeasures.

Hetz-2 redeployed missile defense system, including EL / M-2080 Green Pine radar, command post (CP) Golden Citron (Citron Tree) manufactured by Tadiran Telecom, Brown Hazelnut (Hazelnut Tree) missile launch control center, manufactured by the IAI, center communications, from four to eight launchers (launchers), Arrow-2 interceptor missiles, auxiliary equipment, including radar power systems and cooling systems, is designed to destroy tactical and operational tactical missiles at a distance of up to 100 kilometers and an altitude of up to 50 kilometers . It is assumed that he is able to intercept them at an approach speed of up to 4,5 kilometer per second, such as the Iranian MRBM Shahab-3B (range to 2000 km) and Sajil-2 (to 2500 km) or Scud. The Arrow-2 system is capable of detecting and tracking up to 12 targets simultaneously, as well as directing one of them to two PRs capable of speeding up to 2,5 kilometers per second.

PR Arrow-2 is equipped with a high-explosive fragmentation warhead. Theoretically, interception is a shock mechanical action resulting from a direct hit directly to the target. Currently, three Hetz-2 air defense systems are deployed: in 50 kilometers south of Tel Aviv, south of Haifa and near the city of Dimona, which provides cover for up to 85 percent of the territory of Israel.

The composition of the battery includes four PU with 24 PR, mobile command posts and radar. The calculation of each battery - about a hundred soldiers.

Wheeled transporters are used as the mobile base of the launcher, radar and gearbox.

Radar and gearbox integrated with combat control systems weapons THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense), Patriot (Patriot) and standard AN / SPY-1D (V) radar of the American shipborne anti-missile radar Ajgis (Aegis), which allows for the interaction and distribution of air targets between them.

Of the three Hetz-2 PRK batteries currently deployed, one is planned to be equipped with the Arrow-3 PR. It will be used for Israel’s first intercept missile defense system.

Cover objects

The third missile defense system will include the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system and the Israeli David's Sling air defense system, which will be installed near important facilities.

Prrasha is developed by the Israeli company Raphael (Rafael) and the American Raytheon. The complex includes the multifunctional radar EL / M-2084, the Stunner anti-aircraft system, the Tadiran (Golden Almond) command and control center, and the launcher control unit LSC (Launch Site Controller).

The interceptor in this missile defense system is a two-stage Stunner missile system, developed by Raytheon and Raphael, equipped with two types of guidance systems installed in the nose compartment - the radar and optical-electronic.

The Israeli armed forces in July 2016 put the first set of the "David's Aid" system on combat duty.

Considering the capabilities of the third missile defense line, we note that Patriot air defense systems will be able to hit targets at a distance from 3 to 40 kilometers at an altitude from 60 meters to 24 kilometers. The latest modification of the Patriot PAC-3 MSE with highly maneuverable PR MSE will be able to intercept tactical and operational-tactical BRs at ranges up to 40 kilometers and altitudes more than 20 kilometers, as well as cruise missiles and air attack weapons.

In turn, the David's Sling (range - 70 – 300 km) is designed to intercept tactical missiles of Syria and Hezbollah (Fath-15 ”and M-110) at an altitude of up to 600 kilometers from 200 to 300 kilometers .

The Israeli Defense Ministry, together with Boeing, is implementing a program to create a more sophisticated modification of the antimissile system for this air defense system. The new PR of the complex will be capable of striking, in addition to any existing and promising aerodynamic targets, the enemy MRBM at distances from 70 to 300 kilometers.

Reyton and Raphael in August 2013 presented the fourth generation Patriot Advanced Affordable Capability-4 (PAAC-4) Patriot air defense system to the leadership of the United States Department of Defense, proposing to use Stunner's Prash David as one of the key components.

Save the city

The fourth missile defense system will be the “Iron Dome” system - the protection against short and medium-range missiles that are launched in Israel from the Gaza Strip and South Lebanon.

According to tests, from 11 to 14 in July 2010, the “Iron Dome” did not miss a single missile of a conditional enemy. The complex was tested by Qassam unguided rockets (Qassam) used by Hamas militants, as well as 122-mm ammunition of Grad and Katyusha volley fire systems.

The peculiarity of the system is that it is capable of intercepting 120 caliber rockets and mortar shells at a very low altitude and at a distance of three to four kilometers. The “Iron Dome” can track several launches at the same time, instantly calculate possible trajectories and precisely launch counter-rockets, moreover, so that the residents are not affected by the explosion fragments. The system will be able to immediately determine which missiles will fall in an Israeli locality, and which will fly past in order to shoot down only those that pose a real threat.

The battery "Iron Dome" is able to use 60 interceptor missiles in one launch, protecting the territory to 150 square kilometers. The area may increase if enemy missiles are launched from a distance of more than 15 kilometers (up to 70 km). The battery includes a fire control center and three launchers with Tamir 20 interceptor missiles. It also includes the EL / M-2084 radar, designed to accurately identify and determine the flight path of a target.

Currently, 10 batteries of the Iron Dome air defense system are deployed in Israel. In the foreseeable future, it is planned to bring their number to 15.

Depending on the ballistic target, the joint work of several missile defense lines can be considered. From the MRBR - two echelons (Arrow-3 and Arrow-2), from the OTBR (TBR) - two echelons ("Arrow-2" and / or "Sling of David" and "Patriot" with comparable characteristics for combating TBR). Against tactical short-range missiles, there are also two echelons (“David's Ants” and “Iron Dome”).

The missile defense system is already proving its combat effectiveness. In the course of the antiterrorist operation “Cloud Pillar”, which was carried out in the Gaza Strip from 14 to 21 in November 2012, an increase to 87 was registered in the percentage of interceptions of the “Iron Dome” system of missiles that threaten residential areas. Of the 1506 missiles launched in Israel, the majority (at least 875 - 58%) exploded in open areas outside populated areas, 58 missiles - in city blocks (3,8%). The Iron Dome intercepted the 421 rocket. At the same time, an 501 interceptor missile was launched at targets that posed a threat to the population.

During Operation Unbreakable Rock, carried out in the Gaza Strip, from July 7 to August 26, 2014, the militants used 3360 missiles to destroy the military infrastructure of the Hamas movement and prevent attacks on Israeli territory. 584 of them were shot down by the Iron Dome system.

Plus the rays of death

The plans of the Ministry of Defense of Israel are to create in the national layered air defense system of the fifth active line - the mobile combat laser system “Iron Beam” (Iron Beam). It will be used against ammunition with a range of less than seven kilometers.

The system should ensure the protection of border areas and military facilities by delivering accurate strikes on aerodynamic targets such as UAVs, unguided projectiles, mortar mines and short-range missiles with a laser beam that heats the warhead before destruction. It is assumed that this is the best option at ultra-short distances, in which the “Iron Dome” air defense system proved to be less effective.

Considering the interception of air targets, Israel’s missile defense can be called an integrated air defense-missile defense system, but since all four missile defense boundaries are supposed to be united by a common network of radars associated with the Israeli satellite constellation, and used jointly, it’s more accurate to talk about a multilateral missile defense system.

In addition, the Raphael C-Dome air defense system, which is being developed on the basis of the Iron Dome, is planned to be deployed on small warships of the Israeli Navy to repel threats from tactical and deck aviation, helicopters, as well as shock UAVs. The weapon system of the C-Dome SAM system includes ten SAMs. The multiple launch rocket launcher Tamir, the guidance of which is carried out on a source of infrared radiation, can provide simultaneous destruction of up to ten different types of targets.

What to take in a piggy bank

From the above we can draw the following conclusions:

Today, Israel’s missile defense system is a unique multi-purpose interception system for BR, KR and various types of unguided ammunition, which makes it possible to create a reliable “umbrella”;
Since the missile defense system is based mainly on mobile complexes, they can be quickly transferred to any point on the globe and block a small state or local area, imposing their demands on it;
Israel’s multi-pronged missile defense system can be one of the main tactical missile defense systems and missile defense systems on the theater of operations, as well as the integrated air defense system (IAMD);
The launch of the C-Dome sea-based air defense system demonstrates Israel’s high demand for effective air and missile defense at sea and the use of technology derived from the development of other air defense systems;
The inevitable progress of Israel’s missile defense systems, on the one hand, will put pressure on the states around it in order to eliminate aggression, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, will stimulate the development of their weapons.

The possibility of creating an effective missile defense system capable of intercepting with a high probability of various targets becomes a reality. Therefore, it is advisable to use the Israeli experience in creating a missile defense system of the Russian Federation, including deepening cooperation between our countries that have set common goals in the fight against the enemy, which is international terrorism.

It should be noted that sending C-400 to Syria as part of a peacekeeping operation is a good example of the use of air defense missile defense systems to combat terrorists and deter the United States and other states from aggression against Russia.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 26 November 2016 06: 27
    +8
    The missile defense system is already proving its effectiveness in combat use. During the Cloud Pillar anti-terrorist operation in the Gaza Strip from November 14 to 21, 2012,

    Describe the type of rockets launched by the Palestinians ... smile I suppose trimming water pipes and rockets from GRAD installations.
    What will happen to the DOME if the Palestinians are able to launch a simultaneous salvo of a hundred missiles, two hundred and so on what

    And the IRON DOME is certainly good against countries such as IRAN, IRAQ, SYRIA, which have in their arsenal the arsenals of missile weapons outdated for decades.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 26 November 2016 07: 02
      +18
      Describe a scenario in which the Palestinians or K-l can still concentrate with impunity 200 or more missiles on the border with Israel! Bullshit!
      today it is the most saturated air defense country in the world per unit area
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 November 2016 07: 30
        +6
        Brad!


        Why smile ... the most unpleasant scenario for an adversary is the one called delirium ... the adversary is least expected of him, also counting.
        As for saturation ... how many anti-missiles will be aimed at one attacking target ... what is the probability of the most dangerous missile being hit?
      2. demiurg
        demiurg 26 November 2016 07: 49
        +4
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Describe a scenario in which the Palestinians or K-l can still concentrate with impunity 200 or more missiles on the border with Israel! Bullshit!
        today it is the most saturated air defense country in the world per unit area


        Small territory + US assistance. This is not for you to cover the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
        1. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 26 November 2016 10: 34
          +8
          Quote: demiurg
          This is not for you to cover the Krasnoyarsk Territory.

          good joke! in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, there’s a greater chance of a rocket in a deer and a bear than in a man! almost 3 million people per 2 with a penny million area.
      3. Cat
        Cat 26 November 2016 08: 07
        +8
        The promised land is the size of the middle region of the Sverdlovsk region, and if we compare the country of Israel and the Ivdel region, then the last 7 will fit in the first 400 pieces and there will still be room for different Andor, Luxembourg and Liechtenstein. So the question arises, why will one CXNUMX battery and two Armor batteries be sufficient or all of the above for the children of Moses?
        This is how to shit on the neighbors, so that for 70 years already everything that lies badly will be "shot" at you.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 26 November 2016 11: 43
          +3
          Quote: Kotischa
          The promised land of size, with the middle region of the Sverdlovsk region ...

          And in terms of population density?
      4. padded jacket
        padded jacket 26 November 2016 10: 07
        +6
        Quote: Tlauicol
        today it is the most saturated air defense country in the world per unit area

        Yeah, what a rich and formidable air defense system among Israeli Jews we have already seen when they disgraced themselves trying with all their might to shoot down a UAV that flew towards them from Syria by spending two Petriot missiles and one air-to-air missile on it, but they could not do it.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 26 November 2016 11: 53
          +8
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Quote: Tlauicol
          today it is the most saturated air defense country in the world per unit area

          Yeah, what a rich and formidable air defense system among Israeli Jews we have already seen when they disgraced themselves trying with all their might to shoot down a UAV that flew towards them from Syria by spending two Petriot missiles and one air-to-air missile on it, but they could not do it.

          Anything can happen. But a remark about the shortcomings of Israeli air defense is needed. It is necessary to improve the air defense system. But why this comment on the article when discussing the Israeli missile defense is not entirely clear.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 26 November 2016 12: 25
            +1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            But why this comment on the article when discussing the Israeli missile defense is not entirely clear.

            Aaron, why are you "slowing down"? Don't you see which phrase I answered? Here is the one below and it says about Israel's air defense.
            Quote: Tlauicol
            today it is the most saturated air defense country in the world per unit area
      5. Observer2014
        Observer2014 8 January 2017 18: 09
        +2
        tlauicol
        Describe a scenario in which the Palestinians or K-l can still concentrate with impunity 200 or more missiles on the border with Israel!
        Three fully charged Grad installations
    2. Professor
      Professor 26 November 2016 08: 23
      +8
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Describe the type of rockets launched by the Palestinians ... I think the cutoffs of water pipes and rockets from GRAD installations.

      Starting from Kasams and ending with the factory "Grads". Moreover, it is easier to shoot down the Grad, since the quality of Kasam's workmanship makes the trajectory of its flight unpredictable.

      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What will happen to the DOME if the Palestinians are able to launch a simultaneous salvo of a hundred missiles, two hundred and so on

      Who will let the Philistines turn around?

      Quote: Kotischa
      This is how to shit on the neighbors, so that for 70 years already everything that lies badly will be "shot" at you.

      The causal relationship is broken. For 70 years, Israel has never been the first to attack a single neighbor. Egypt and Jordan dopped their Arab mind that they should be friends with Israel and now Israel is helping them fight Islamic terror.

      The Iron Dome is one of two bad things that have happened to Israel over the past 10 years.
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        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 26 November 2016 10: 56
          +4
          Quote: Outlaw
          And all who bullshit bazaar about him are simply envious.

          Who is jealous of Israel? Whose aggressor is hated throughout the region?
          1. Outlaw
            Outlaw 26 November 2016 11: 27
            +1
            So you can’t leave them alone?
      2. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 November 2016 09: 37
        +6
        Quote: Professor
        For 70 years, Israel has never been the first to attack a single neighbor.

        ??
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 November 2016 09: 42
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          Quote: Professor
          For 70 years, Israel has never been the first to attack a single neighbor.

          ??

          !!!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 November 2016 09: 50
            +3
            49 years have passed since the beginning of the "Six Day War", not 70. Arithmetic.
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 November 2016 10: 00
              +5
              Quote: Spade
              49 years have passed since the beginning of the "Six Day War", not 70. Arithmetic.

              Hmmm ... But who closed the Strait of Tirana after starting the war? From whose territory were the Fedayuns attacking? List of victims among the Israelites lead?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 November 2016 10: 08
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                And who closed the Strait of Tirana

                And who is building walls on their territory?
                1. Professor
                  Professor 26 November 2016 10: 14
                  +6
                  Quote: Spade
                  And who is building walls on their territory?

                  Everyone is building. The USSR was the consummate champion in this matter. But the straits are not closed for shipping in some countries. Not everyone needs an incident of whitewash. Neighboring countries do not fire at all because the fired side may lose patience and "attack" in response.
                  1. ssergn
                    ssergn 26 November 2016 13: 22
                    +7
                    winked So do you propose to push all the same in Ukraine?
                2. Operator
                  Operator 26 November 2016 17: 48
                  +7
                  The Israelis need to learn the materiel.

                  In May 1967, Egypt closed the passage only through its part of the Strait of Tirana. No one blocked the passage through the Saudi part of the Tirana Strait.

                  In addition, the closure of straits as the beginning of hostilities can only be considered if there is an international agreement on the legal regime for the use of straits (such as the Bosporus / Dardanelles or Belte / Zunda agreements).

                  The legal regime of the Tirana Strait is still determined only by international maritime law, which provides coastal countries with full sovereignty over their waters within 12 nautical miles from the coast.

                  Coastal countries, including Egypt and Saudi Arabia, have the right at any time to ban any ship or vessel from passing through their territorial waters. Closing the right of passage through territorial waters is not considered the beginning of hostilities.

                  Therefore, on 5 of June 1967, it was Israel that acted as the aggressor and attacked Egypt. Under international law, Israel is obliged to compensate for the damage from its aggression, including the costs of Egypt for the liberation of its occupied territory in the 1973 year.
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 10: 29
                +3
                Quote: Professor
                Hmmm ... But who closed the Strait of Tirana after starting the war? From whose territory were the Fedayuns attacking? List of victims among the Israelites lead?

                All this does not justify the Israeli authorities.
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich 26 November 2016 14: 45
                  +8
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Hmmm ... But who closed the Strait of Tirana after starting the war? From whose territory were the Fedayuns attacking? List of victims among the Israelites lead?
                  All this does not justify the Israeli authorities.


                  sea ​​blockade is act of war. need to continue?
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 19: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: Maki Avellievich
                    sea ​​blockade is an act of war. need to continue?

                    Go on. Blocked all ports of Israel?
                    1. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich 26 November 2016 20: 43
                      +8
                      Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                      Quote: Maki Avellievich
                      sea ​​blockade is an act of war. need to continue?
                      Go on. Blocked all ports of Israel?


                      My dear friend, it’s good to fool around.
                      Yes, at least Quarter Port anyway, they’ll block one Makar - I read it as an act of War and I strongly recommend it to everyone, someone is attacking him in the face. works both on a personal level and at the State level. continue?
            2. Operator
              Operator 26 November 2016 17: 20
              +3
              On 28 on October 1956, an Israeli plane shot down an aircraft with an Egyptian military delegation returning from Syria.
              29 October 1956 year, the Israeli army invaded the Sinai Peninsula.
              Xnumx years ago however
              1. Professor
                Professor 26 November 2016 20: 28
                +5
                Quote: Operator
                On 28 on October 1956, an Israeli plane shot down an aircraft with an Egyptian military delegation returning from Syria.

                Where did you hit? In Egypt?

                Quote: Operator
                29 October 1956 year, the Israeli army invaded the Sinai Peninsula.

                We learn materiel.
                In 1953, in violation of the armistice agreements, Egypt prohibited the passage of Israeli ships along the Tirana Strait, connecting the Gulf of Eilat with the Red Sea, placing heavy artillery on the strait. As a result, Israel completely lost access to the Indian Ocean.
                Later, in September 1955, Israeli civilian aircraft were also banned in the Tirana Strait, which closed Israel's only direct air line to East and South Africa.
                At the end of 1954 and the beginning of 1955, the activity of fidayun detachments from the territory of Egypt sharply increased: for example, in 1953 more than 160 Israeli citizens died at the hands of terrorists, then in 1954 - 180, and in 1955 - 238 Lists?
                And on October 29, 1956, the Israeli army treacherously invaded the Sinai Peninsula for no reason. request
                1. Operator
                  Operator 26 November 2016 20: 45
                  +2
                  And where, in your opinion, in October 1956, a plane was shot down with an Egyptian military delegation over Israel, or what?

                  You rave - there is no international Strait of Tirana, shipping on which you can prohibit, or you can allow.
                  There are only territorial waters of Egypt and Saudi Arabia in the Tirana Strait, sovereignty over which belongs to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, respectively.
                  You would have shown your southern neighbor that he forbade Israeli cars to travel through Egypt to Ethiopia. And cho, there is a belly incident.
                  If you want the international regime of the Strait of Tirana - conclude an appropriate agreement with Egypt and Saudi Arabia and nothing else.

                  The problem of raids by Palestinian Fedaines from Egypt in the 1950's is exclusively the problem of the Israeli border service, not the IDF.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 26 November 2016 20: 54
                    +6
                    Quote: Operator
                    You rave - there is no international Strait of Tirana, shipping on which you can prohibit, or you can allow.
                    There are only territorial waters of Egypt and Saudi Arabia in the Tirana Strait, sovereignty over which belongs to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, respectively.

                    do not write nonsense.
                    The straits used for international shipping are sea straits in which international conventions provide for a special international legal regime for the passage of ships. The name of the straits used for international shipping, formerly traditionally used in the doctrine, is international straits
                    UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. provides that the straits connecting parts of the high seas or the exclusive economic zone and partially or completely covered by the territorial sea of ​​coastal states, the right of transit passage applies, which is used by all ships, including warships, and aircraft (Article 38 of the Convention)
                    Suspension of the peaceful passage of ships, including warships, through such straits is not allowed.


                    Quote: Operator
                    You would have shown your southern neighbor that he forbade Israeli cars to travel through Egypt to Ethiopia. And cho, there is a belly incident.

                    some kind of kindergarten fool

                    Quote: Operator
                    If you want the international regime of the Tirana Strait - enter into an agreement with Egypt and Saudi Arabia and nothing else.

                    1. Operator
                      Operator 26 November 2016 20: 59
                      +2
                      It was you who correctly commented on your nonsense about the existence of an international convention on shipping in the Tirana Strait.

                      And yes, I didn’t pass pigs with you.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 26 November 2016 21: 08
                        +9
                        Quote: Operator
                        It was you who correctly commented on your nonsense about the existence of an international convention on shipping in the Tirana Strait.

                        prove to me that the Tirana Strait never fell under the sea convents of sweat passing through the straits.
                        Mr.
                        Quote: Operator
                        And yes, I didn’t pass pigs with you.

                        Indeed, you grazed them alone hi
                  2. Professor
                    Professor 26 November 2016 21: 42
                    +7
                    Quote: Operator
                    And where, in your opinion, in October 1956, a plane was shot down with an Egyptian military delegation over Israel, or what?

                    Where did you hit? In Egypt?

                    Quote: Operator
                    You rave - there is no international Strait of Tirana, shipping on which you can prohibit, or you can allow.

                    Sea blockade is an act of war. Egypt has committed this act.

                    Quote: Operator
                    The problem of raids by Palestinian Fedaines from Egypt in the 1950's is exclusively the problem of the Israeli border service, not the IDF.

                    In the face of aggression from the neighboring state of Egypt caused numerous casualties among Israeli citizens. In accordance with Art. 51 of the UN Charter, each state has the right to self-defense. Israel used this right in response to the aggression from Egypt, which killed about 1300 Israeli citizens. However, Egypt took another quarter century to realize that good-neighborly relations with Israel are much more useful than permanent aggression.
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 26 November 2016 22: 26
                      +2
                      Sea blockade is when ships are blocked in international waters, violating freedom of navigation (for example, the blockade of Cuba in the 1961 year). Egypt blocked Israeli ships in its territorial waters.

                      Do not lie - the Israeli representative at the UN Abba Eban officially declared in the 1956 year: "... in the 1956 year, as a result of the aggressive actions of Egypt, 28 Israelis were killed and 127 were wounded."
                      A follow-up investigation by Israeli historian Benny Maurice proved that most of the victims were victims of Egyptian smuggling criminal scams with Israeli border guards, customs officers and police. Those. no terrorism, one crime.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 27 November 2016 08: 07
                        +3
                        Where was the plane shot down?

                        Quote: Operator
                        Sea blockade is when ships are blocked in international waters, violating freedom of navigation (for example, the blockade of Cuba in the 1961 year). Egypt blocked Israeli ships in its territorial waters.

                        1. No. The closure of the Tirana Straits is Casus Belli.
                        2. So Turkey can close the entrance to Black to Russia by closing the Bosphorus on its territory? wink

                        Quote: Operator
                        Do not lie - the Israeli representative at the UN Abba Eban officially declared in the 1956 year: "... in the 1956 year, as a result of the aggressive actions of Egypt, 28 Israelis were killed and 127 were wounded."

                        Let's conduct an educational program:
                        Speech by David Ben-Gurion to the Knesset:
                        “Only one sortie from the Gaza Strip in the first nine months of 1955 led to 153 people killed or injured. Egyptian representatives at the UN openly stated that Egypt and Israel are at war. The Egyptian government has violated one of the fundamental laws of international law regarding navigation through the Suez Canal, especially since this issue was settled by a special resolution of the Security Council. Thus, the goal of Egypt at the moment, in violation of the principles of free use of sea spaces, is to close the Red Sea for Israeli ships. Such a unilateral war must be put to an end, since it cannot remain unilateral forever. The Government of Israel is ready to sacredly honor the spirit and letter of all the clauses of the Armistice Agreement. However, compliance with the agreements is not possible only unilaterally. If they are violated by the other side, it is not necessary for us to adhere to them. If borders are not an obstacle for saboteurs and assassins, they cannot become an obstacle in the way of defenders. If our rights are grossly violated at sea and on land, we need to maintain our freedom of action for adequate protection. Our goal is peace, but we are not going to commit suicide. ”

                        Quote: Operator
                        A follow-up investigation by Israeli historian Benny Maurice proved that most of the victims were victims of Egyptian smuggling criminal scams with Israeli border guards, customs officers and police. Those. no terrorism, one crime.

                        Let's continue the educational program. Who are the Fedayuns, who trained and armed them, I will tell you later, but for now the chronicle of "criminal showdowns between Egyptian smugglers and Israeli border guards, customs officers and police" is only for the 5 April days of 1956:
                        7 April 1956 city
                        - The pipeline of the water supply system in the section between Ashkelon and Yad-Mordechai was blown up.
                        -In Akhutsam, a jeep belonging to civilians was fired upon; one Israeli was killed and the other injured.
                        -In Shuval, a truck belonging to civilians was fired upon; one person died, another injured.
                        -Fired an army truck in Tel Kunteira; two wounded.
                        -Fired and set on fire an army truck near Akhutsam; three wounded.
                        - Another army truck at Akhutsam was shot at; two wounded.
                        8 April 1956 city
                        -In Ashkelon hand grenades are thrown into the house and into the car; one killed, three wounded.
                        -In Akhutsam, two cars belonging to civilians were fired upon; one killed and two wounded.
                        -In Shafira, hand grenades are thrown into a residential building, another building is blown up; one wounded.
                        -In the kibbutz Gal-On, a house was thrown with hand grenades, at which fire from automatic weapons was then opened; one wounded.
                        9 April 1956 city
                        -In Beerotaim, a command vehicle was blown up by a mine. Nearby were discovered two more mines.
                        -With the use of hand grenades and automatic weapons, an attack was made on the camp of the workers of the company engaged in the maintenance of the water supply system in Ketsiot; two dead, three wounded.
                        -The command vehicle was fired upon approaching the kibbutz Beit Raim; one killed, one wounded.
                        10 April 1956 city
                        -In Magena, a command vehicle was run into a mine; three were injured.
                        -Around Kisufima, an army armored personnel carrier was blown up by a mine; three wounded.
                        11 April 1956 city
                        -To the south of Kerim-abu-Iraq, a commander’s car ran into a mine; one person was injured.
                        -On the highway between Tel Aviv and Ramle, a bus with civilians and a truck came under fire; six wounded.
                        - Students of the agricultural school in Shafira were shot at who gathered for prayer in the synagogue. Result: six dead and two wounded.
                        -In the village of Agiezer, hand grenades were thrown into two houses; three wounded.
                        - Near the international airport in Lod, a border patrol car was fired; one wounded.

                        Give a list of the dead, Mr. liar?
      3. Lopatov
        Lopatov 26 November 2016 09: 57
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        And hail to bring down easier

        If it is used incorrectly.
        Well, if it’s right ... Even with the perfect operation of the complex, and 100% of hits, the LCD can shoot down 40 missiles.
        And this is only 1/6 of the battery salvo, or 1/18 of the division salvo.
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 November 2016 10: 03
          +4
          Quote: Spade
          Well, if it’s right ... Even with the perfect operation of the complex, and 100% of hits, the LCD can shoot down 40 missiles.
          And this is only 1/6 of the battery salvo, or 1/18 of the division salvo.

          Again. Who will let them turn around? For fylystyntsev volley of 2 dozen barrels is super luck. Such volleys were already intercepted.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 November 2016 10: 10
            +6
            And who will ask you?
            You are now under the wise leadership of the United States helping terrorists in Syria. What will happen if they win?
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 November 2016 10: 20
              +5
              Quote: Spade
              And who will ask you?

              I would like to see how the terrorists are deploying the Gradov division to shell us without asking for our permission.




              Quote: Spade
              You are now under the wise leadership of the United States helping terrorists in Syria. What will happen if they win?

              Che, really help? Did Zakharova tell you this? Is Seret Matkal wielding in Syria? Are they kids dissecting with Spikes? request
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 26 November 2016 10: 40
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                Che, really help? Did Zakharova tell you this?

                No it's your jewish defense minister said
                Defense Secretary Admitted Israel Helps Syrian Rebels
                Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon says Israel has provided humanitarian aid to rebels in Syria in recent months
                http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/06/29/
                -ministr-oboroni-priznal - chto-izrail-pomogaet-si
                riyskim-povstancam /

                As well as members of the Israeli army.
                Israel recognized that army assists Syrian militants
                Ynet published an interview with two girls - medical personnel serving in the 474th brigade of the IDF. They said that basically the wounded Syrian bandits are transported across the border to the zone of responsibility of this military unit stationed in the Golan.

                After examination and first aid, the victims are transported to hospitals in northern Israel, including the Ziv Medical Center in Safed. One of the army nurses said that over the past 5 months of service, she has provided assistance to more than 100 Syrians.

                Military doctors also reported that the wounded arrive every day. Recently, 6 militants in critical condition were brought to them at once. Journalist Ynet clarifies that we are talking about members of factions fighting against the Syrian government.
                http://rusvesna.su/news/1468345462
            2. padded jacket
              padded jacket 26 November 2016 10: 34
              +5
              Quote: Spade
              You are now under the wise leadership of the United States helping terrorists in Syria. What will happen if they win?

              And nothing really will happen Israel and the terrorists are one "gang" and after the victory of the terrorists in Syria (which of course will not exist) Tel Aviv apparently wanted to send them to Hezbollah, then to Iran, and then to us, to Russia.
          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 26 November 2016 10: 17
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Such volleys were already intercepted.

            Well, there's no need to wait and Hamas will gradually be able to produce, so to speak, "high-quality goods," they are also "learning".
          3. padded jacket
            padded jacket 26 November 2016 11: 13
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            For fylystyntsev volley of 2 dozen barrels is super luck. Such volleys were already intercepted.

            Vrdley Hamas could bombard Israel from twenty barrels; their missile arsenal is quite primitive and capable of firing almost exclusively with homemade water pipes.
            Palestinians launch rockets from Gaza in Israel
          4. Lex.
            Lex. 26 November 2016 11: 25
            +2
            Again. Who will let them turn around? For fylystyntsev volley of 2 dozen barrels is super luck. Such volleys have already intercepted
            Yes, this is nonsense and the iron dome its effectiveness is doubtful, that is, this dome that there is no Kasama is not very accurate, sometimes they get into the city and the iron dome did not even notice it
      4. padded jacket
        padded jacket 26 November 2016 10: 11
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        For 70 years, Israel has never been the first to attack a single neighbor.

        Apart from the Israeli regime’s aggression against Egypt in 1956, the Israeli regime’s aggression against neighboring countries in 1967, the Israeli regime’s aggression against Lebanon in 1982, the Israeli regime’s aggression against Lebanon in 2006, not counting the constant attacks by Israeli Jews on Gaza and the destruction of its population.
      5. Phoenix_L'vov
        Phoenix_L'vov 26 November 2016 11: 03
        +5
        For 70 years, Israel has never been the first to attack a single neighbor.
        - there is a lie, there is a blatant lie, there are statistics, but there are statements of the Professor!

        Professor, you are already an old, elderly person, you will soon die - aren't you ashamed to lie and deceive at the end of your life? Are the ideas you advocate so weak and helpless that you need to lie to protect them ??
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 26 November 2016 11: 59
          +7
          Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
          Professor, you are already an old, elderly person, you will die soon

          laughing This comment made today my day. good Professor! although I do not feel positive emotions for you, but now, I just sympathize hi
      6. Sagittarius2
        Sagittarius2 26 November 2016 11: 49
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        For 70 years, Israel has never been the first to attack a single neighbor


        with the exception of Palestine, from which there were horns and legs, and even the Golan Heights, the Syrian ones overcame the same.
        1. Professor
          Professor 26 November 2016 13: 09
          +4
          Quote: Sagittarius2
          Quote: Professor
          For 70 years, Israel has never been the first to attack a single neighbor


          with the exception of Palestine, from which there were horns and legs, and even the Golan Heights, the Syrian ones overcame the same.

          How do you all bad with knowledge. USE?
          The Golan were released in a fair battle after the Syrian attack on us. Palestine is Israel. Those. Is Israel attacking itself? laughing

          Quote: Lex.
          Yes, this is nonsense and the iron dome its effectiveness is doubtful, that is, this dome that there is no Kasama is not very accurate, sometimes they get into the city and the iron dome did not even notice it

          Technically, the LCD exceeded all expectations, politically, it is a disaster.
          1. Sagittarius2
            Sagittarius2 26 November 2016 13: 23
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            The Golan were released in a fair battle after the Syrian attack on us. Palestine is Israel. Those. Is Israel attacking itself?


            what impudence! What kind of fools are you holding? By yourself, do not measure in Russia, not everyone is stupefied as you are there. The Golan Heights have been occupied by Israel since 1967.

            Quote: Professor
            Palestine is Israel. Those. Israel attacked itself


            Are you already completely lying there? Palestine is a SEPARATE AND SOVEREIGN STATE WITH REPRESENTATION in the UN. Such impudent liars as a local "professor" still need to look.
            1. Professor
              Professor 26 November 2016 13: 50
              +3
              Quote: Sagittarius2
              what impudence! What kind of fools are you holding? By yourself, do not measure in Russia, not everyone is stupefied as you are there. The Golan Heights have been occupied by Israel since 1967.

              Not occupied, but freed. And they freed after Syria attacked Israel. A list of the dead of our citizens in anticipation of the release lead?

              Quote: Sagittarius2
              Palestine is a SEPARATE AND SOVEREIGN STATE WITH REPRESENTATION in the UN. Such impudent liars as a local "professor" still need to look.

              Announce the date of the announcement of this SEPARATE AND SOVEREIGN STATE, the capital, currency, borders and other attributes of the SEPARATE AND SOVEREIGN STATE.
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          2. padded jacket
            padded jacket 26 November 2016 13: 45
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            Golan was released in a fair fight after the Syrian attack on us

            Our professor, as always, is deceiving which, however, is not at all surprising.
            We read about the Golan Heights and about the war of 1967 when the Israeli regime attacked Egypt Syria and Jordan and also completely occupied Jerusalem and the remnants of Palestine. In particular, it was then that he captured the Golan Heights from Syria.
            The Six Day War is a war in the Middle East between Israel on the one hand and Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq and Algeria on the other, which lasted from June 5 to 10, 1967.
            On the morning of June 5, 1967, the Israeli Air Force operation began, destroying the Arab coalition in a few hours
            With the consent of Prime Minister Eshkol, Israeli Minister of Defense General Moshe Dayan and Chief of the General Staff, Lieutenant General Yitzhak Rabin, it was decided to launch air and ground strikes. Early in the morning, the Israeli Air Force planes, being over the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea, turned south and attacked all Egypt airfields, effectively destroying the Egyptian Air Force. The Jordanian and Syrian Air Force were later defeated, and Iraqi Air Force suffered significant damage in the Mosul area.

            Preparations for the sudden Israeli air strike were carried out in complete secrecy.


            But we are primarily interested in Syria and the Golan Heights:

            June 5-8. The Golan Heights held six Syrian brigades (with six in reserve) in the east of Kuneitra. On the evening of June 5, approximately two-thirds of all the Syrian Air Force were destroyed by attacks by the Israeli Air Force. For four days, artillery duels took place, the parties made no attempt to seize the initiative.

            the 9th of June. Fifth day. Elazar received an order to urgently launch an offensive early in the morning. He concentrated troops for the initial throw through the Dan Banias area north of the Golan Plateau, along the foot of Mount Hermon. By night, these forces broke through the Syrian defense, and three brigades reached a plateau early in the morning of the next day. At the same time, other units made their way through the hills north of Lake Kinneret, and Elazar ordered the units recently fighting in the Jenin-Nablus region to move north and strike the Golan Heights south of the lake.

            June 10th. Sixth day. The Israelis broke through the Syrian defense in the north of the Golan Heights, then intensified their frontal attack across the plateau to approach Kuneitra from the north, west, and southwest. At the same time, a group of troops redeployed from the Jordanian front threatened Cuneitra from the south. By evening, Kuneitra was surrounded, and an armored unit entered the city.
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B5%D1%81%
            D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%B0%D
            1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0



            That is, it was the Tel Aviv regime that was the aggressor that captured and then annexed the Golan Heights during the war unleashed by Israel in 1967.
            Quote: Professor
            Palestine is Israel.

            But as it was, in fact, the Jews never lived in large numbers in Palestine and the UN allocated them this land purely out of pity for the Jews who claimed that they had suffered greatly during the Second World War but that Israel seemed to have too little land and this aggressive state began to take away the land at the neighbors.
            PALESTINE

            By 1880, the population of Palestine reached 450 thousand people (according to the Turkish census of the settled population, a little more than 270 thousand people), of which 24 thousand were Jews. Most of the country's Jews lived in four cities: Jerusalem (where Jews accounted for more than half of the total 25th population), Safed (4), Tiberias (2,5) and Hebron (800), as well as in Jaffa (1 .) and Haifa (300).
            From the end of the XNUMXth century, a large-scale settlement of Palestine by Jews, followers of the ideology of Zionism, began.
            The first big wave of modern Jewish immigration, known as the First Aliyah (Hebrew ????????), began in 1881, when Jews were forced to flee the pogroms in Eastern Europe
            At the beginning of the 450th century, the population was approximately 50 thousand Arabs and XNUMX thousand Jews
            The second aliyah (1904-1914) began after the Chisinau pogrom. About 40 thousand Jews settled in Palestine
            In 1919-1923 (Third Aliyah), 40 thousand Jews arrived in Palestine, mainly from Eastern Europe (what is this obtained in Eastern Europe at that time, Jews were not very respected?)
            In 1924-1929 (Fourth Aliyah) 82 thousand Jews arrived in Palestine, mainly as a result of a surge of anti-Semitism in Poland and Hungary. (Ai-yi-yi, bad Europeans again apparently carried out Jewish pogroms)
            The rise of Nazi ideology in the 1930s in Germany led to the Fifth Aliyah, which was an influx of a quarter of a million Jews fleeing Hitler. (Or maybe they were sent to Palestine?)
            At the end of World War II, the Jewish population of Palestine was 33% compared with 11% in 1922.
          3. padded jacket
            padded jacket 26 November 2016 14: 01
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Technically, the LCD has exceeded all expectations.

            IDF checks why Iron Dome defended Sderot
            The IDF launched an internal investigation to find out the reason for the inaction of the Iron Dome missile defense system at the time of the launch of a rocket from the Gaza Strip in Sderot this morning (05 October 2016). As previously reported, the Qassam fell in a residential area, causing shock injuries to three people and damage to several buildings and vehicles.
            http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/mivzakim/2016/10/05/
            18-52 /
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 26 November 2016 16: 14
              +3
              Quote: quilted jacket
              three people received shock injuries
              What kind of injuries are these strange. With a fright diarrhea struck, or what? Now is this a shock injury called? For those who lived in Russia it was called differently.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 26 November 2016 16: 32
                +1
                Quote: Hedgehog
                With a fright diarrhea struck, or what?

                Most likely, Israeli Jews are "cowardly" enough, watch the video of the shelling of Israel there, as soon as they hear the air raid sirens in panic, they literally rush into bomb shelters and other shelters, both young and old. Apparently at this time they receive "mental" and other injuries. And then they demand compensation from the government for the fear they experienced and for wet "diapers" lol
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 26 November 2016 17: 01
                  +1
                  That means they are definitely relaxed by 10 meters, against the wind. And this is a very serious injury. Highly!
                  By the way, About cowardice. Dill Jews are not bolder at all. As soon as Maidan Butch began there, but alien lands rushed. , they in the Middle East remain them.
              2. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 26 November 2016 19: 29
                +4
                Quote: Hedgehog
                What kind of injuries are these strange. With a fright diarrhea struck, or what? Now is this a shock injury called? For those who lived in Russia it was called differently.

                Have you been shot at least from a slingshot? What can you know about this?
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 27 November 2016 09: 23
                  0
                  Aronchik, you’re a boor. Everyone who lived in Russia, except for Jews, knows what a slingshot is. In addition, in my childhood I had an official rifle qualification. What is bullet shooting have a clue? Further talking with you and the like does not make sense.
          4. Starik72
            Starik72 26 November 2016 14: 33
            +5
            Prufesir, don't lie! Israel was created by decision of the UN in 1947 on the lands of the original Palestinian.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 26 November 2016 16: 38
              +3
              Quote: Starik72
              Prufesir, don't lie! Israel was created by decision of the UN in 1947 on the lands of the original Palestinian.

              Since what year did the Arabs of this region begin to be called Palestinians?
              1. Starik72
                Starik72 26 November 2016 20: 17
                0
                Aron Zawi. Open the Bible and see the map! It mentions Palestine and not Israel.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 26 November 2016 20: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Starik72
                  Aron Zawi. Open the Bible and see the map! It mentions Palestine and not Israel

                  Jesus applauds you standing. Look at the cross, what is written there behind?
                  Pilate wrote the inscription, and put it on the cross. It was written: Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
                  This inscription was read by many of the Jews, because the place where Jesus was crucified was not far from the city, and it was written in Hebrew, Greek, Roman.
                  The chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, Do not write: The King of the Jews, but what He said: I am the King of the Jews.
              2. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 27 November 2016 09: 26
                0
                And from what year did the Jews run away from the territory of the so-called ancient Israel? And from what year did Israel cease to exist as such?
                1. Operator
                  Operator 27 November 2016 14: 16
                  0
                  Jews professing the Jewish faith did not run away - they were deported in full force by the Romans in the 1 century AD to North Africa and Mesopotamia after losing in the Judean Wars.

                  Jews professing the Christian faith remained in Palestine, their number is currently about 600 thousand people - 200 thousand in the state of Israel and 400 in the state of Palestine.
            2. Vadivak
              Vadivak 27 November 2016 22: 31
              +1
              Quote: Starik72
              Prufesir, don't lie! Israel was created by decision of the UN in 1947 on the lands of the original Palestinian.

              Palestine is the same Israel as for example our Crimea. At one time they conquered mastered then lost and regained
      7. Cat
        Cat 26 November 2016 21: 08
        0
        So start small, go back to the borders of 1948.
      8. mvg
        mvg 26 November 2016 22: 00
        0
        and in the 6-day war, who was the first to attack the Arabs? You didn’t even spare your soyuznikoff by cynically ditching the US reconnaissance ships))
    3. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 26 November 2016 10: 32
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Describe the type of rockets launched by the Palestinians ... I think the cutoffs of water pipes and rockets from GRAD installations.

      and that a water pipe cannot kill?
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What will happen to the DOME if the Palestinians are able to produce a simultaneous salvo of a hundred missiles, two hundred

      and if I’m in it, but milion? fantasies can be endless! the launch of 40 missiles was so far the only one, but a warehouse explosion with hundreds of them often happens!
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 26 November 2016 22: 51
        +3
        I must say that Israel set itself a difficult and difficult task. Try to shoot a mine or a shell - this reaction time is negligible. But it is necessary to detect, calculate the trajectory, aim and launch the projectile. Here full automation is needed. Therefore, it will not be smooth here. But the territory is small, so I think they will be able to bring good results over time. Especially with their engineering and scientific base, connections around the world. And we must recognize their first successes in solving this fantastic problem. Well done, what can I say. hi
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 26 November 2016 23: 17
          +5
          "Full automation is needed here" ////

          This is how full automation works. People do not have time to react.
          But there is not enough time for a mortar to hit a rocket - therefore, a laser will be built into the ABM. And the computer and the radar manage to do their work.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 27 November 2016 21: 41
            +1
            Full automation - I meant that you need to configure such a system not a single day.
            Laser. I don’t even know which is more difficult. A mine or a projectile in flight needs to be kept in focus, but it still needs to be caught in this focus - while it warms it up to a state of explosion. Therefore, the temperature should be very high - the question is whether there is such an opportunity, because time is very limited. Those. the laser must be very powerful - so it's not just about the radar and power of the computer. hi
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 27 November 2016 23: 10
              +2
              100 kW cope with a mine.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 28 November 2016 19: 56
                +1
                But I wonder what the radius of this laser is. hi
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 29 November 2016 15: 40
                  +1
                  Up to five kilometers were tested.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 29 November 2016 17: 53
                    +1
                    Thanks for the answers - I'm really interested. It turns out that in dangerous directions every 5 km. it’s necessary to set it up or to concentrate in one place during intensive shelling from several barrels - I hope the installations are mobile - although the source is a hundred kilowatts ... you can probably get by with the cables ... I suppose it can work on aircraft as well, it’s an engine heat up for example or focus on the suspension. Well done, what can I say - here is clearly a great prospect. NATO’s eyes probably put on the development. Yes, and Medvedev during his visit to you spoke about cooperation in the military field, and such a development will not be left without attention for sure. hi
  2. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 26 November 2016 09: 15
    +9
    It is Israel that has been the main initiator of the Middle East conflicts over the past 20 years: in Iraq, Libya and Syria. The main objective of Israel's foreign policy was and is to oppose any attempts to create unions of Arab states with an anti-Israeli orientation, as well as fragmentation of Syria, from which Israel took the Golan Heights, strategically important for its existence, with water reserves in order to legally "consolidate" them to itself.
    1. atalef
      atalef 26 November 2016 20: 45
      +4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Israel is the main initiator of the Middle East conflicts of the last 20 years: in Iraq, Libya and Syria.

      Is it possible in more detail?
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The main objective of Israel’s foreign policy was and is counteraction to any attempts to create anti-Israeli alliances of Arab states,

      But should it be the other way around?
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      as well as the fragmentation of Syria, which has Israel selected strategically important for its existence the Golan

      Squads are selected in the sandbox.
      Remind me how Syria lost the Golan Heights?

      Quote: Monster_Fat
      with water reserves, in order to legally "secure" them to themselves.

      What can you say about the Kuril Islands? Why were they taken from Yapov? What would turn the Father Sea into the inland?
      But did Japan attack the USSR? Who will remind wink
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 November 2016 21: 03
        +2
        We declared war on them, however. We agreed with the striped allies that we would get the Kuril Islands, however. And what is wrong? sad
      2. Cat
        Cat 26 November 2016 21: 11
        +1
        The Russian Empire was attacked, and without warning. I think this is enough.
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 November 2016 22: 39
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        But did Japan attack the USSR? Who will remind

        Mat will change where they grow you, Vladik, Khalkhin Gol, Hassan,
        In April 1934, Japanese soldiers made an attempt to capture the Lysaya height on the site of the Grodekov border guard detachment, at the same time the Poltavka outpost was attacked, but the border guards, with the support of an artillery company, repelled the attack and knocked the enemy out of the border line
    2. mvg
      mvg 26 November 2016 22: 06
      +3
      For the survival of a state surrounded by enemies - ALL methods are good. They are difficult to judge for the fact that they ANY way upset the military alliances of the Arabs. And they deliver preventive strikes at the militants' warehouses ... just so as not to immediately repulse a salvo of 200-300 missiles at once. And let's not forget that only the intervention of the USSR saved Damascus from the capture of the IDF. And then the border would not pass along the Golan Heights, but much closer to the capital of Syria.
  3. demiurg
    demiurg 26 November 2016 09: 26
    +1
    Something is not ice missiles. If they are duplicated by the Patriot. And buyers are not in line. Definitely not ice. lol
  4. Sars
    Sars 26 November 2016 09: 56
    +3
    The cost of intercepting a flying tube of the "Kasam" type is from 35 thousand US rubles.
    There is a suspicion that if Trump transfers Israel to self-financing, the contents of missile defense will not be affordable for Jews.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 November 2016 10: 01
      +10
      Quote: SarS
      The cost of intercepting a flying tube of the "Kasam" type is from 35 thousand US rubles.

      And what is the difference in the cost of body armor and bullets?
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 November 2016 10: 52
      +2
      Quote: SarS
      There is a suspicion that if Trump transfers Israel to self-financing, the contents of missile defense will not be affordable for Jews.

      Yes, now Tel Aviv lives only by the grace of the United States and the EU, without them it is complete - zero.
      By the way, Israeli Jews are actively "running into" Russia, and apparently they are very worried that we are "ramming" Israeli friends of terrorists in Syria ..
      Putin is fighting Israel with the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah
      Israel is unlikely to be the victim of a direct attack from Russia, since this is not necessary: ​​the Kremlin is much more profitable to use the Jewish state as a hostage with a big geopolitical game with the United States.
      Egypt is indirectly responsible for Hamas’s degree of freedom of action, and Iran is responsible for how “weaken the leash” for Hezbollah’s fighters.

      But the Kremlin directly affects the leadership of both countries. He will continue to determine the direction and strength of their pressure on Israel.

      “If the US press pays too much attention to Ukraine, Russia will“ press the button ”in Gaza and activate Hamas.

      If the Americans are too worried about the situation in Syria, the Kremlin will press the lever on the northern border of Israel - the border with Hezbollah.
      http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2016/11/03/
      Israel-defense - putin-voyuet-s-izrailem-rukami-ha
      masa-i-hizballi /

      Hamas Big Rocket
    3. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 November 2016 14: 12
      +2
      Quote: SarS
      The cost of intercepting a flying tube of the "Kasam" type is from 35 thousand US rubles.

      Here you can see a clear "cut" of the budget by the Israeli military, which steals money for their further transfer to Europe and the United States where the top of Israel plans to hide when their regime in the Middle East comes to an "end"
      One shot of the Magic Wand missile defense system costs a million dollars
      If one interceptor missile used by the Iron Dome missile defense system costs about 70 thousand dollars, then the estimated cost of the Magic Wand (Sharvit-ksamim) missile is about one million dollars.
      These data are provided by the Maariv portal.
      http://inosmi.ru/military/20151223/234893886.html
      1. mvg
        mvg 26 November 2016 22: 18
        +8
        why are you all looking into someone else's pocket? How does this money relate to you? what difference does it make if the US subsidizes them or Germany? consider how much it costs two dozen launches of Bulavs, or test launches of Sineva, Liner, Poplar, Voyevoda .. Or how much money was spent on Kuzi's exit to Mediterranean .. How many "combat" guys will get who have served there .. How much equipment Russia will leave there, after leaving .. how many equipment and megadollars have ALREADY been given to the araps .. And all at once. And Ebiptu and Iraq and Syria and Jordan .. yes to no purpose. At least Jews live well (better than in Russia), and the state does not arrange a "cold shower" for its citizens every few years, as in 1998, 2008, 2014, etc., when the "Arctic fox" comes and your dreams and money and many, many things.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 November 2016 22: 41
      +1
      Quote: SarS
      There is a suspicion that if Trump transfers Israel to self-financing

      Trump is not a prezik yet, and if he does, he will kiss Israel in all known places
  5. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 10: 21
    +3
    Yes, the flywheel of the Israeli military spins. Zionist militarists can not calm down. Unfulfilled plans to create a Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates prevented them from sleeping peacefully. stop
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 27 November 2016 23: 12
      +1
      From Amazon to Yenisei laughing
  6. Dan4eG
    Dan4eG 26 November 2016 11: 03
    +8
    Well, how without them
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 11: 39
      +4
      Quote: Dan4eG
      Well, how without them

      So you have nothing to say, as I understand it? Therefore, you are extremely stupidly joked.
      1. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 26 November 2016 11: 57
        +6
        What? Did you recognize yourself? wink
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 12: 57
          +2
          Quote: Dan4eG
          What? Did you recognize yourself?

          Ndaaa. You are clearly a fascist. Which of course, to put it mildly, is very, very strange considering that you are a Jew.
          1. Dan4eG
            Dan4eG 26 November 2016 13: 10
            +3
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            You are clearly a fascist.

            and how is my fascism expressed?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 15: 52
              +1
              Quote: Dan4eG
              and how is my fascism expressed?

              In particular, in your disgusting attitude towards mentally ill people.
              1. Dan4eG
                Dan4eG 26 November 2016 16: 05
                +4
                is this the whole site of the fascists or something? This picture is walking here, God forbid, how much time!
                and the second to me my attitude is completely neutral!
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 19: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: Dan4eG
                  is this the whole site of the fascists or something? This picture is walking here, God forbid, how much time!
                  and the second to me my attitude is completely neutral!

                  Still, you are definitely a fascist. All signs are on the face. Lies, hatred of other social groups, it remains only to give out something about the final solution of the Palestinian question and there will be a complete set.
                  1. Dan4eG
                    Dan4eG 26 November 2016 20: 09
                    +4
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    Still, you are definitely a fascist.

                    Well, so today we will see the dock of my fascism? or not?
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    False

                    Where is it?
                    Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                    hatred of other social groups

                    about how? do I also have hatred for someone else?
                    although you should study the question of what is fascism and what are its signs, otherwise you understand that all kinds of garbage go around here!
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2
                      IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2016 20: 19
                      +1
                      Quote: Dan4eG
                      Well, so today we will see the dock of my fascism? or not?

                      Is the fascist pretending to be misunderstood?
                      Quote: Dan4eG
                      Where is it?

                      You made a statement twice that I’m insane. And this, of course, is not so.
                      Quote: Dan4eG
                      about how? do I also have hatred for someone else?

                      Trying to insult me ​​with your statement about my madness, you made it clear that these unfortunate people are at least second grade for you.
                      Quote: Dan4eG
                      although you should study the question of what is fascism and what are its signs, otherwise you understand that all kinds of garbage go around here!

                      And you yourself wouldn’t be smart. And they would have gone to refresh their knowledge on this issue. And then you understand all sorts of minor fascists will here still give me guidance to give. Mouse.
                      1. Dan4eG
                        Dan4eG 26 November 2016 21: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Is the fascist pretending to be misunderstood?

                        but don’t pretend to say it as it is!
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        You made a statement twice that I’m insane. And this, of course, is not so.

                        Are you a doctor, and can you diagnose yourself?
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        Trying to insult me ​​with a statement of my insanity

                        even in my thoughts there was no insult to you, it’s not my fault that you associate yourself with the picture
                        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                        made it clear that these unfortunate people are at least second grade for you

                        and from this place in more detail! etozh where I claimed this?
      2. padded jacket
        padded jacket 26 November 2016 12: 52
        +8
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        So you have nothing to say, as I understand it?

        Come on, don’t be offended by them; they have a phobia everywhere and always seem to be - anti-Semites lol Especially when they hear the truth about the aggressive occupation regime of Israel.
        All around are anti-Semites ...
        All around are anti-Semites -
        You can’t hide from them anywhere:
        They are even in Sumerian plates
        And Abram has a beard.

        Where the Jews do not settle
        Carrying the good and humanism
        Wanders after them, not getting old,
        Cave anti-Semitism.

        There is no corner in the whole world
        Where our people would not suffer:
        And the German and the Yakut in response
        Because he lives in fear.

        And in a drunken, barbarian Russia,
        As Rabbi Schloime says
        (He saw with his own eyes):
        Who is not a Jew - anti-Semite!

        There are "sweeps" all year round,
        If they don’t kill, they drag them to baptize,
        The Chekists are brutally atrocious there,
        You can’t give birth and bury.

        Foreigners live there in the mountain -
        Civilization messengers,
        And in his hopelessness
        There is every beggar and ser Jew.

        There are full of blood of our river,
        There only waves will flood
        It turns out the guy with the ax,
        And the pogrom begins.

        And even though I’ve never been there,
        But the wise rabbi told me
        What, since God himself keeps Russia,
        Looks like he is anti-Semite.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 26 November 2016 16: 24
          +3
          Quote: quilted jacket
          they always and always imagine - anti-Semites

          "... The Zionists have always shouted to everyone and continue to shout:" Anti-Semites! " - at the moment when they are grabbed by the hand at the crime scene ... "(Igor Talkov)
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 November 2016 16: 20
      +1
      “... the more monstrous you lie, the sooner they will believe you”
      Not sure who said this phrase? You Shionugs almost all use it actively. Was it borrowed from you?
      1. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 26 November 2016 20: 13
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        You, almost all actively use it.

        I didn’t think that you *******! yes you are progressing!
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 27 November 2016 09: 40
          +1
          Are you offended? So everything is true! Hence the hatred of those who said that phrase, borrowing it from the Shionyug. Not only one Shionyugs brazenly lie.
          1. Dan4eG
            Dan4eG 27 November 2016 09: 47
            0
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Are you offended?

            at you? God forbid! it’s not your fault that nature bent you so!
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 27 November 2016 11: 03
              +1
              All refugees bent on a free planet named Izrailovka turned out to be bent. Now they bend in front of the Americans. And if you are not offended, then you confirm what was said by Adolfik too. Two boots - a pair. You always arranged all the ghettos yourself. As with the current Israeli.
              God grant you all several times more than what you, secretly, wish us all. And all your wishes on your own Russian-language forums are clearly visible.
              1. Dan4eG
                Dan4eG 27 November 2016 11: 36
                +2
                Uti ways, what a wicked chihuahuyunyosh you are! All the anger of the universe is direct!
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 27 November 2016 13: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Dan4eG
                  evil chihuahuyonysh

                  Is that what mom and dad call you? You deserve it.
                  And here is what other Jews who deserve true respect think about you like:
                  "Neturei Karta considers the existing Israel to be an artificial formation, contrary to the prophecies in the sacred texts. The sect believes that until this Jewish state is liquidated, the doors for the emergence of a" real "state will not open. Israel must revive and lead the Messiah, whose appearance promised in the Torah. Members of the sect declare any other options contrary to the will of the Most High "
                  1. Dan4eG
                    Dan4eG 27 November 2016 14: 14
                    0
                    Uuu puska offended! Well, nothing life is a hard thing, sometimes stroking it sometimes caresses with a stick, you most importantly do not despair!
                    For example, I can throw you thousands of opinions about the existence of Russia and its place in the world, I and you and I just put a bolt on these opinions!
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 27 November 2016 16: 17
                      +1
                      He put not only all kinds of opinions, but also on you personally. Your presence on the Russian site is proof of your worthlessness in the Negev desert and around it.
            2. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 27 November 2016 11: 33
              +1
              Here you are, bent, reference. What they say and think about Zionists and the like.
              http://procol-harum.livejournal.com/832281.html Ваше место только в Биробиджане, если разрешат власти.

  7. Izotovp
    Izotovp 26 November 2016 11: 44
    +2
    I wonder what kind of conflict Israel is preparing for if it is preparing to repel an ICBM attack and not small or outdated missiles ?!
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 November 2016 12: 46
      +1
      Quote: Izotovp
      I wonder what kind of conflict Israel is preparing for if it is preparing to repel an ICBM attack

      Most likely Tel Aviv is going to strike someone Iran, Lebanon, Syria or even Russia with the first strike (possibly even a nuclear one) and then hide from the retaliatory one under the missile defense "umbrella".
      1. Dan4eG
        Dan4eG 26 November 2016 13: 27
        +6
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Most likely, Tel Aviv is going to deliver the first blow to Iran, Lebanon, Syria or even Russia.

        well, padded jacket at least tell me the date when this happens, well, plus or minus
        and from this date you will be a hollow breach with us
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 26 November 2016 14: 19
          +3
          Quote: Dan4eG
          well, padded jacket at least tell me the date when this happens, well, plus or minus

          Why do you need the exact date of a Jew? This day and time will come when such an order from the USA comes to Israel.
          1. Dan4eG
            Dan4eG 26 November 2016 14: 23
            +4
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Why do you need the exact date of a Jew?

            Yes, I just want to understand you as a hollow during my life to call, or posthumously!
            Quote: quilted jacket
            And this day and hour will come when Israel receives such an order from the United States.

            and there’s either a donkey or a podish! Yes, yes, we heard!
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 26 November 2016 14: 56
              +2
              Quote: Dan4eG
              Yes, I just want to understand you as a hollow during my life to call, or posthumously!

              Yes, call me what you want your opinion a Jew is not interesting to me.
              By the way, the United States is building a military base in Israel, besides a secret one.
              What for?
              Pentagon signs contract to build secret base in Israel
              New Jersey-based Conti Federal Services has received a contract from the US Department of Defense to build a secret fortified facility in Israel.
              The facility will include bomb shelters with an area of ​​4.000 square meters, auxiliary facilities of 2.150 sq.m., objects for garbage with an area of ​​50 sq.m., administrative buildings with an area of ​​450 sq.m., technical tunnels with an area of ​​1.900 sq.m. and warehouses with an area of ​​2.200 sq.m.
              http://newsru.co.il/israel/20oct2016/pentagon305.
              html

              Most likely as a command post and an arsenal of weapons for the subsequent attack on neighboring countries and maybe Russia
              1. Dan4eG
                Dan4eG 26 November 2016 15: 04
                +4
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Yes call me what you want

                how I want on the site so impossible! laughing
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Your opinion is not interesting to me.

                but my opinion is not for you, it is for thinking people
                Quote: quilted jacket
                By the way, the United States is building a military base in Israel, besides a secret one.
                What for?

                strategic stock of krovushki on matzo! laughing
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 26 November 2016 16: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Dan4eG
                  how I want on the site so impossible! laughing

                  I'm so sorry for that lol but do not be upset go to the rabbi, he will "comfort" you.
                  Quote: Dan4eG
                  but my opinion is not for you, it is for thinking people

                  For "thinking" like you lol
                  Quote: Dan4eG
                  strategic stock of krovushki on matzo!

                  Here, I didn’t even doubt that the United States and Israel had a great love for the blood of others and for the growth of terrorism.
                  1. Dan4eG
                    Dan4eG 26 November 2016 16: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    do not be upset go to the rabbi, he will "comfort" you.

                    how do you know what he can do !? and often you go!
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 26 November 2016 16: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Dan4eG

                      how do you know what he can do !? and often you go!

                      I thank God not a Jew like you.
                      1. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 26 November 2016 17: 34
                        +7
                        Quote: quilted jacket

                        I thank God not a Jew like you.

                        This is a big luck for the Jews. Unhappy are the people whose son you are.
                      2. Dan4eG
                        Dan4eG 26 November 2016 18: 23
                        +3
                        Quote: quilted jacket
                        I thank God not a Jew like you.

                        what would it go to rabbi do not need to be a Jew
                        and judging because you are in the subject, you often run to the ditches for comfort!
                  2. 1rl141
                    1rl141 26 November 2016 20: 56
                    0
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    For "thinking" like you

                    Let me fix it?
                    For those who think they know how to think.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 26 November 2016 16: 50
                0
                This is probably a backup command post - for the leadership of the United States and the Pentagon in the event of a nuclear war, they will hide in advance with the whole staff in Israel.
              3. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 26 November 2016 17: 26
                0
                Quote: quilted jacket
                By the way, the United States is building a military base in Israel, besides a secret one.
                What for?
                It's so simple, they need fresh blood. Amerikosy Zionists are very close. Therefore, they are populated. After all, the Zionists nationality is transmitted from the mother, regardless of the nationality of the spermatosaurus. The main thing is that the mother was Jewish, and the father - the little things in life, is not considered.
                1. Dan4eG
                  Dan4eG 26 November 2016 18: 28
                  0
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  It's so simple, they need fresh blood

                  on matzah only a newborn is required
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  Amerikosy Zionists are very close.

                  I’m even afraid to ask where such knowledge comes from.
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  After all, the nationality of Zionists is transmitted from the mother

                  and in Russia from my father?
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  regardless of nationality of the spermatosaurus. The main thing is that the mother was Jewish, and the father - the little things in life, is not considered.

                  interest to the father!
                  1. Ezhaak
                    Ezhaak 27 November 2016 11: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Dan4eG
                    I’m even afraid to ask where such knowledge comes from.

                    And you’re doing it right. Nowhere in any country in the world is there a society supporting Israel like America. Unfortunately, or fortunately, I do not remember his exact name, it is worth it.
                    1. Dan4eG
                      Dan4eG 27 November 2016 16: 26
                      0
                      You say so! If there isn’t in your Uryupinsk, then this is not the whole world!
              4. Maki Avellevich
                Maki Avellevich 26 November 2016 20: 48
                +5
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Pentagon signs contract to build secret base in Israel


                all! will now have to build in another country, you already know everything ...
                1. Cat
                  Cat 26 November 2016 21: 27
                  0
                  Okay stop dogging! Break!
                  As the Jews say, when they begin to cite Christianity as an example. Where was your God born. And on the promised land, well, do not interfere with our little Jewish brawl!
                  The conclusion is simple, everyone knows that in order to solve the Jewish question in the Middle East, it is necessary to find a compromise with all parties to the conflict. While he is not there, a panacea in the form of an "iron dome" is needed.
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 27 November 2016 14: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Kotischa
                    a panacea in the form of an "iron dome" is needed.

                    A panacea for what? He who sees, let him see. That is, he will see that for all the time "Iron Fart" knocked down less than 10% of the released "water pipes". Even the video on Youtube perfectly shows how Israel's supermega air defense system works. You don't even need to twitch, you can ask ordinary air defense officers. Chunk on vegetable oil, out of 20! starts, maximum 1 interception, coefficient 0,05. Cut to the most ...
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 27 November 2016 22: 48
            +1
            Quote: quilted jacket
            Why do you need the exact date of a Jew? This day and time will come when such an order from the USA comes to Israel.

            I will tell you so, in secret - when the United States receives an order from Israel
  8. cedar
    cedar 26 November 2016 13: 42
    +1
    Quote: Izotovp
    I wonder what kind of conflict Israel is preparing for if it is preparing to repel an ICBM attack and not small or outdated missiles ?!


    All wars in the World finally lead to Armageddon, where at the end of time the final battle of Good and evil must take place ...
    See the root.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 26 November 2016 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: cedar
      All wars in the World finally lead to Armageddon, where at the end of time the final battle of Good and evil must take place ...
      See the root.


      what do we see in the "root"?
  9. DM51
    DM51 26 November 2016 13: 44
    +4
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: Izotovp
    I wonder what kind of conflict Israel is preparing for if it is preparing to repel an ICBM attack

    Most likely Tel Aviv is going to strike someone Iran, Lebanon, Syria or even Russia with the first strike (possibly even a nuclear one) and then hide from the retaliatory one under the missile defense "umbrella".

    Well, certainly not Russia.))) Most likely Iran worries them, perhaps the Jews and their best friends and sponsors from the United States have plans to deal with Iran after Syria, but this country cannot be destroyed as easily as Syria, Iran has an army that is more abrupt there will be ballistic missiles too, so we need to defend ourselves against them when the "good" Jews, who, as everyone knows, bring peace and prosperity to everyone, attack sovereign Iran. I even suspect with 95% accuracy that Israel will again act by someone else's hands (the United States), but the response will still fly at them, but because Iran is not Syria and they know perfectly well where the wind of death blows from and who is the real instigator of wars in the Middle East
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 November 2016 14: 17
      +2
      Quote: DM51
      Well, certainly not Russia.

      Who knows who knows? Israel is a faithful US satellite that only lives by its grace and it can hit us if it receives such an order from Washington.
  10. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 26 November 2016 16: 22
    0
    Advertising of Israeli missile defense programs on VO. I remember that the "iron dome" could not do anything special with Hezbollah's homemade products about 5 years ago, it turned out to be full of holes. And further. 122 mm is "Grad", "Katyusha" is either 130 mm, or even 82 mm.
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  11. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 26 November 2016 16: 28
    +3
    It so happened that next to our family there were always Jews --- neighbors, doctors, teachers, at work with relatives, with me. Everything was always normal. And I did not understand --- why are anti-Semitism? Different peoples are interesting to me, their history, their life. I was also interested in Jews. I read various books about their lives, and even went to lectures. And now I see how the professor and atalef are trying to strengthen this anti-Semitism! It is clear that they themselves and some others also They have Russophobia. We don’t write this abuse to them in Israel, we don’t insult them ...
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 November 2016 17: 13
      +4
      Quote: Reptiloid
      It so happened that there were always Jews next to our family --- neighbors, doctors, teachers, at work with relatives, I have

      You do not just need to compare these Jews who are honestly working for the country and the whole people of Russia and Russophobes emigrants from Israel who speak here on the forum.
      They are completely different people. And in fact, from the Jews, these "wise men" only have the name of the people, or rather just a religious group, because, as you know, the Jews are the same Arabs, not only of the Muslim but of the Jewish faith.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 26 November 2016 17: 48
        +2
        I must agree with you. Rusophobes now live in different countries. Including ---- Ukraine, Israel and even in the Russian Federation. Despite the faith.
    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 26 November 2016 21: 49
      +1
      Quote: Reptiloid
      We do not write this abuse to them in Israel, we do not insult them ...

      No never..
      a couple of examples





      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 26 November 2016 22: 16
        +3
        Quote: Kaiten
        a couple of examples



        And what kind of article was there?
        1. Kaiten
          Kaiten 26 November 2016 22: 23
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          And what kind of article was there?

          I do not remember. And there is usually no difference in the topic of the article. The words "Jews" and "Israel" usually appear after 3-15 posts in at least 50% of discussions. The difference in the number of posts depends not so much on the topic as on whether there was a holiday the day before. Specially checked last year.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 26 November 2016 22: 33
            +4
            Quote: Kaiten
            Specially checked last year.

            You have nothing to do. And to Gogol there, you, how do you relate?
            1. Kaiten
              Kaiten 26 November 2016 22: 46
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              You have nothing to do. And to Gogol there, you, how do you relate?

              Love. Often cited.
              "They grabbed the Jews hand in hand and began to throw them into the waves. A pitiful cry came from all sides, but the harsh Cossacks only laughed when they saw the Jewish legs in shoes and stockings dangling in the air."

              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 26 November 2016 22: 57
                +2
                Quote: Kaiten
                Love. Often cited.
                “The Jews were grabbed by the arms and began to be thrown into the waves.

                Amazing near ... Thank you for enlightening.
                1. Kaiten
                  Kaiten 26 November 2016 23: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Amazing near ... Thank you for enlightening.

                  It's my pleasure :)
  12. DM51
    DM51 26 November 2016 16: 44
    +1
    Quote: quilted jacket
    Quote: DM51
    Well, certainly not Russia.

    Who knows who knows? Israel is a faithful US satellite that only lives by its grace and it can hit us if it receives such an order from Washington.

    One Sarmat missile is enough to turn Israel into ruins and no missile defense will save them, especially the one mentioned in the article, it’s unlikely that fools are sitting in their government, that, and, Jews have enough intelligence, they’re not fools at all
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 November 2016 17: 05
      +1
      Quote: DM51
      One Sarmat missile is enough to turn Israel into ruins

      Yes it is. But it is not the United States, not Israel, that they are counting on some kind of blow to their territory because it is they who are going to deliver it first thereby destroying the missile and indeed the military potential of the country they attacked and then disappear under an ABM umbrella.
      Quote: DM51
      hardly in their government fools are sitting

      I strongly doubt that influential and wealthy Jews will sit in Israel and wait for a retaliatory strike from the country attacked by them, most likely they will already be in relative safety in the United States in well-equipped shelters and chuckle at the simple poor Jews who remained in Israel and will die thousands from possible retaliation.
  13. Vadim237
    Vadim237 26 November 2016 16: 44
    +2
    Israel’s steepest layered missile defense system, the interception range of 1250 kilometers - even Russia does not have such missiles.
  14. Locomotive
    Locomotive 26 November 2016 17: 02
    +5
    I am amazed by couch patriots. The only force capable of holding back the bearded in this crazy region is Israel.
    On the contrary, Jews need to be cherished and cherished. That, in principle, the United States and do.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 26 November 2016 17: 23
      +3
      Quote: Steam Train
      The only force capable of holding back the bearded in this crazy region is Israel.

      This is how Israel breeds the "bearded" ones in the BV region.
      Quote: Steam Train
      On the contrary, Jews need to be cherished and cherished.

      Why? So that they spawn as many terrorists as possible and then send them to Russia?
    2. Kaiten
      Kaiten 26 November 2016 22: 01
      +2
      Quote: Steam Train
      I am amazed by couch patriots. The only force capable of holding back the bearded in this crazy region is Israel.
      On the contrary, Jews need to be cherished and cherished. That, in principle, the United States and do.

      Israel is a country built for eternal reproach to the Arabs:
      "You could have had the same if you weren't Arabs!"
  15. Operator
    Operator 26 November 2016 17: 05
    0
    "Arrow-3 ... will be capable of intercepting ICBMs at an altitude of 100 kilometers and ranges of up to 1250 kilometers," i.e. after entering the atmosphere. And what if the ICBM / MRBM warhead maneuvers as an anti-aircraft maneuver? laughing

    As for Arrow-2 and shorter-range air defense systems, it is necessary to use explosive magnetic EMP generators against them, which are installed on the first missiles at launch to disable the missile defense radar. And after that, carry out a mass launch of rockets of all calibers.
    1. Locomotive
      Locomotive 26 November 2016 17: 13
      +5
      What if an ICBM / MDBN warhead maneuvers in the order of anti-aircraft maneuver?

      Do you even theoretically imagine what an anti-aircraft maneuver is? laughing
      1. Operator
        Operator 26 November 2016 19: 38
        0
        Share your sacred knowledge bully
  16. DM51
    DM51 26 November 2016 17: 17
    +4
    Quote: Steam Train
    I am amazed by couch patriots. The only force capable of holding back the bearded in this crazy region is Israel.
    On the contrary, Jews need to be cherished and cherished. That, in principle, the United States and do.

    So this region became crazy just because of Israel and the USA: Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Yemen - not enough ?! Millions of refugees in Europe - not enough ?! Thousands of Muslims who go to fight in Syria with the money of Israel and the United States, who are taught to kill and do not know how to do anything else - few examples ?!
  17. kuz363
    kuz363 26 November 2016 18: 22
    +4
    Why are they so smart? The population of Israel is less than 9 million people! Like in Moscow. And they manage to do everything at the highest level - industry, medicine, agriculture, the atomic bomb, first-class weapons ..., Plus, the standard of living is not at the expense of weapons.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 26 November 2016 20: 54
      +4
      Quote: kuz363
      Why are they so smart?


      they are so smart in you, in Israel they are just Jews. and of course it’s good that people have more or less common goals and values. and plowed, yes it is also important
  18. Operator
    Operator 26 November 2016 18: 42
    +2
    U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has nominated Stephen Bannon, head of the Trump election campaign, an Orthodox Catholic who is known for his public anti-Semitic position, as senior adviser to his Administration.

    S. Bennon received a degree in national security, after graduating from the university he served for 7 years in the intelligence of the US Navy. After retirement, he worked in banking and in the right-wing media, as a result of which he was included in the ranking of the top 25 mass media employees who have the greatest influence on American society.

    After Bennon's refusal to send his child to one of the private schools due to the large number of Jewish students studying, he was officially accused of racism, to which Bennon replied that he was a nationalist.

    According to Time magazine's Jewish columnists Miller and Elliott, following the 2016 US presidential campaign, "It was Bannon who poured racist, xenophobic, sexist and anti-Semitic blood into the veins of the alternative right."

    Bennon said he "positions himself absolutely against the existing system, especially against the current unchanging political class," referring to the Jewish lobby behind the Clinton clan.

    PS Dangle on a mustache, Russian-speaking youngsters from Israel bully
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 26 November 2016 20: 57
      +4

      Quote: Operator
      Bennon said he "positions himself absolutely against the existing system, especially against the current unchanging political class," referring to the Jewish lobby behind the Clinton clan.
      PS Dangle on a mustache, Russian-speaking youngsters from Israel


      you know there is a saying in Israel - We survived the Pharaoh (Egyptian ie), and we will survive This.
      And Bennon yours does not pull on Pharaoh
      1. Operator
        Operator 26 November 2016 21: 18
        +1
        Well, then here's a real pharaoh laughing

        According to the Internet portal "Assafir", after Abdel Fattah al-Sisi's public support of the Syrian government's fight against international terrorism, Egypt sent its special forces to help Bashar al-Assad, and an advanced detachment of Egyptian pilots is already at the air base in Hama.

        Judging by the words of Trump (and not his senior adviser), he will do everything to unite efforts with Russia (de facto also with Egypt, Turkey, the Syrian government and Iran) to destroy ISIS in the Middle East.

        There is no doubt that the blow of the United States, Russia and their situational allies will also come from the international sponsors of ISIS in the person of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.
        1. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 26 November 2016 21: 39
          +4
          Quote: Operator
          ISIS international sponsors represented by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.


          Well, you're right off the shoulder chopped. YOU are Invoice (with a capital letter) on my spot, no words.
          stronger than this was only the statement of the Egyptians (under Mursi true) that the Mossad trained sharks and those already reforged by the Zionists attacked innocent tourists who splashed in the Red Sea.
          1. Operator
            Operator 26 November 2016 22: 31
            +1
            Treated Syrian terrorists on their territory - now you will be the scapegoat for the United States bully
        2. Dan4eG
          Dan4eG 26 November 2016 22: 51
          +3
          Quote: Operator
          There is no doubt that the blow of the United States, Russia and their situational allies will also come from the international sponsors of ISIS in the person of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Israel.

          I don’t know what to say?
          the only question is, what kind of freak wrote it?
  19. DM51
    DM51 26 November 2016 23: 00
    +1
    Quote: Operator
    Treated Syrian terrorists on their territory - now you will be the scapegoat for the United States bully

    Of course, I am a patriot of my country, but the USA is against Israel, their most loyal friends and the most generous sponsors? !!! fool This is crazy stuff like bees versus honey
    1. Operator
      Operator 27 November 2016 00: 57
      +1
      After Trump’s election, it suddenly turned out that Israel’s friend all the way was not the United States, but the Jewish lobby in the United States.

      The process of ousting cosmopolitans from the leadership of nationally oriented states has begun - in the 2000 year in Russia, in the 2016 year in the USA, then everywhere.
    2. Dan4eG
      Dan4eG 27 November 2016 01: 35
      +4
      cameraman famous person! or maybe not a man, maybe, lives in an alternative universe
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 27 November 2016 01: 53
        +3
        Quote: Dan4eG
        cameraman famous person! or maybe not a man, maybe, lives in an alternative universe

        It is just that it’s bad that he lives in our Universe, and therefore has the opportunity to contact all of us.

        But he clearly draws his thoughts somewhere in a parallel, or alternative, universe. Because in our Universe, what he is trying to sell here, as a rule, does not happen request

        IMHO, yes yes
      2. Operator
        Operator 27 November 2016 14: 25
        +1
        Be afraid, sofa experts laughing

        Listen better to what LPR says - Senior Advisor to Presidential Administration D. Trump Stephen Bennon:
        "I'm the man pushing a trillion dollar infrastructure plan with the most negative interest rates in the world. This is the biggest opportunity to rebuild everything. Shipyards, steel mills, rebuild everything."

        Israel is no longer needed by anyone (except for the Israelis, of course), the United States was dumped and abandoned, and now you have to survive among the "kind" and "educated" neighbors am
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 27 November 2016 22: 52
          +1
          Quote: Operator
          Nobody needs Israel anymore

          For a moment, the US Federal Reserve is private; guess whose bank?
          1. Operator
            Operator 28 November 2016 00: 06
            0
            From 2017 of the year in the USA, Anglo-Saxon industrial rather than Jewish financial capital will be in favor.

            In honor of the 100 anniversary of the February Revolution in Russia laughing
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 27 November 2016 23: 21
          +1
          Something The operator began to beat off honest bread from Vatnik recently. I began to confuse them ... smile
  20. cedar
    cedar 27 November 2016 11: 07
    +1
    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    Quote: cedar
    All wars in the World finally lead to Armageddon, where at the end of time the final battle of Good and evil must take place ...
    See the root.


    what do we see in the "root"?


    At the root we see that all coups and revolutions lead to the Temple Mount ...

    We see ... to the root.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 27 November 2016 13: 23
      0
      Quote: cedar
      Quote: Maki Avellevich
      Quote: cedar
      All wars in the World finally lead to Armageddon, where at the end of time the final battle of Good and evil must take place ...
      See the root.
      what do we see in the "root"?
      At the root we see that all coups and revolutions lead to the Temple Mount ...
      We see ... to the root.


      Armagedon is in the original - Ar Megido - Mount Megido. there is still a plain, convenient for battles.
      who hasn’t fought there for the last 3 ten years! even Napoleon Karlovich was losing the war there.
      Temple Mount truth is somewhat removed from Megido.
  21. Operator
    Operator 27 November 2016 14: 06
    0
    Professor,
    The legal regime of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles is determined by the international Montreux Convention.

    The legal regime of the territorial waters of the Tirana Strait is determined by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

    Google at your leisure.
  22. Operator
    Operator 27 November 2016 14: 40
    +1
    Quote: Dan4eG
    what kind of freak wrote it?

    According to Israeli media reports, IDF aviation attacked its (now former) ISIS allies in the western Syrian province of Deraa for the first time.

    Dan4eG, change the training manual, in the morning Bashar Asar is your everything laughing
  23. cedar
    cedar 27 November 2016 16: 10
    0
    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    Quote: cedar
    Quote: Maki Avellevich
    Quote: cedar
    All wars in the World finally lead to Armageddon, where at the end of time the final battle of Good and evil must take place ...
    See the root.
    what do we see in the "root"?
    At the root we see that all coups and revolutions lead to the Temple Mount ...
    We see ... to the root.


    Armagedon is in the original - Ar Megido - Mount Megido. there is still a plain, convenient for battles.
    who hasn’t fought there for the last 3 ten years! even Napoleon Karlovich was losing the war there.
    Temple Mount truth is somewhat removed from Megido.


    Yes, everything is close there .., up to only a second of approach.
    This, too, is not very far away: "Strong explosions are thundering in the military camp in Al-Hassek, where American and British special forces train the soldiers of the Kurdish Defense Forces."
    http://pravdoryb.info/molniya-vzryvy-v-lagere-spe
    tsnaza-ssha-i-velikobritanii-v-sirii-mnogo-ubityk
    hi-ranenykh-108221.html
  24. jrvp79
    jrvp79 24 December 2016 08: 09
    +1
    Quote: DM51
    Quote: Steam Train
    I am amazed by couch patriots. The only force capable of holding back the bearded in this crazy region is Israel.
    On the contrary, Jews need to be cherished and cherished. That, in principle, the United States and do.

    So this region became crazy just because of Israel and the USA: Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Yemen - not enough ?! Millions of refugees in Europe - not enough ?! Thousands of Muslims who go to fight in Syria with the money of Israel and the United States, who are taught to kill and do not know how to do anything else - few examples ?!


    They forgotten the Second World War, because it has long been known that the persecution and genocide of the Jews was just that dust in the eye, behind which they tried to hide the motives and the real organizers. !! This is only for the last 100 years and to the vaping. And if you dig into antiquity, it is not surprising that Jews around the world do not consider people.
  25. Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 8 January 2017 18: 31
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    Quote: Dan4eG
    Quote: demiurg
    This is not for you to cover the Krasnoyarsk Territory.

    good joke! in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, there’s a greater chance of a rocket in a deer and a bear than in a man! almost 3 million people per 2 with a penny million area.

    Are we in the Krasnoyarsk Territory scattered all over the taiga? We mainly live in Krasnoyarsk. It is covered with such an umbrella that you never dreamed of. And the plants that we need there.
  26. Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 8 January 2017 18: 49
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Starik72
    Aron Zawi. Open the Bible and see the map! It mentions Palestine and not Israel

    Jesus applauds you standing. Look at the cross, what is written there behind?
    Pilate wrote the inscription, and put it on the cross. It was written: Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
    This inscription was read by many of the Jews, because the place where Jesus was crucified was not far from the city, and it was written in Hebrew, Greek, Roman.
    The chief priests of the Jews said to Pilate, Do not write: The King of the Jews, but what He said: I am the King of the Jews.

    It is interesting to discuss with you the Israelis. Cleverly and reasonably write everything. Can you tell me who killed Jesus? And what punishment should this people bear for this? Confused simply, I want to know your opinion.
    1. TNT
      TNT 8 January 2017 19: 11
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      Quote: hannibal lecter
      It is interesting to discuss with you the Israelis. Cleverly and reasonably write everything. Can you tell me who killed Jesus?

      The Romans crucified him.
      Quote: hannibal lecter
      And what punishment should this people bear for this?

      the Romans, the Jews - no matter what. if you carefully read the correspondence - the conversation was about one thing. Who was Jesus by nationality and who lived in Judea at that time? Someone at Paddle argued that the Arabs belay

      Quote: hannibal lecter
      Confused simply, I want to know your opinion.

      And you do not get confused, but accept it as God's providence.
      Read the Bible.
      Or do you think God - a father would just let his son be killed?
      Without death - there is no resurrection and ascension .. or do you think that God - the father is so weak. that he could not stop what was to be done according to ... correctly, His will.
      1. Hannibal Lecter
        Hannibal Lecter 8 January 2017 20: 03
        0
        I do not mean with whose hands this was done. You were invited to let someone out, you released Barabah, and the Romans crucified Jesus. You controlled them, as I understand it. Thanks for the informative answer.
        1. TNT
          TNT 8 January 2017 20: 15
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          Quote: hannibal lecter
          I do not mean with whose hands it was done

          Why
          Quote: hannibal lecter
          You were invited to let someone out, you released Barabah, and the Romans crucified Jesus.

          I personally didn’t let anyone in or let anyone out.
          Pontius Pilate had every opportunity to resist this, but he was still the procurator of Judea, but he did not do this, Jesus knew how this day would end and he had every opportunity to avoid it, but neither did he - why? the answer is simple - they all fulfilled the will of God - the father, otherwise how? And all these people God had their own role, that Jesus would take upon himself the sins of all mankind would be resurrected and ascended.
          Who are we to oppose His will?

          Quote: hannibal lecter
          You controlled them, as I understand it. Thanks for the informative answer.

          Managed all of GOD.
          You do not understand, because it is monstrously far from religion and understanding the meaning of God's providence.
          Start with the basics, maybe then, before arguing and proving the guilt of one or the other side, you will understand that everything in this world is controlled by Him and without his mark, no hair would have fallen from Jesus' head.
          Although the question is simple, are you a believer? If yes - you will understand what I mean, if - no, then there is nothing to talk about.
          You talk about Jesus as a mere mortal without a predestined path - therefore, your reasoning is nothing more than the error of an ignorant person.
          Here's a question for you to fill in, why did Judas hang himself without taking a dime (roughly) from 30 pieces of silver? Judas was the best and closest disciple of Jesus.
          Meditate. at leisure.
      2. Hannibal Lecter
        Hannibal Lecter 8 January 2017 20: 15
        0
        Description of the trial of Pilate, at which the Jews, according to the Gospel of Matthew, take upon themselves and their children the blood of Jesus (Matt. 27:25). Subsequently, relying on the gospel story, Meliton of Sardis (died c. 180) in one of his sermons formulated the concept of "deicide", the blame for which, according to him, lies with all of Israel [5]. A number of researchers trace in the canonical Gospels the tendency to justify Pilate and accuse the Jews, which received the greatest development in later apocryphal (such as the Gospel of Peter) [6]. However, the original meaning of Matt. 27:25 remains a subject of controversy among biblical scholars.
        1. TNT
          TNT 8 January 2017 20: 25
          0
          Quote: hannibal lecter
          Subsequently, relying on the gospel story, Meliton of Sardis (died c. 180) in one of his sermons formulated the concept of "deicide",

          God cannot be killed.
          Quote: hannibal lecter
          the blame for which, he claims, lies with all of Israel

          Who is he to affirm or not affirm the path that God has drawn?
          Quote: hannibal lecter
          However, the original meaning of Matt. 27:25 remains a subject of controversy among biblical scholars.

          The pontiff published excerpts from his new book "Jesus of Nazareth", in which he excuses the Jews from the blame for the death of the Messiah. In the book "Jesus of Nazareth" Pope Benedict XVI excuses the Jews from the blame for the death of Christ. Western media write about this. As it became known, the pontiff the day before published excerpts from his new book "Jesus of Nazareth", in which he excuses the Jews from the blame for the death of the Messiah. To prove their innocence, the pontiff uses the method of theological analysis of biblical texts and explains the inconsistency of previous interpretations, which resulted in anti-Semitism and constant persecution of the people of the Book. In this book, the pontiff tells about the early years of the life of Jesus Christ and about his teachings. The second part will describe the second half of the messiah's life, his death and resurrection.


          I get the feeling that in the knowledge and interpretation of biblical texts, the pontiff is a little more competent than all of us combined.
          Best regards hi
          1. Hannibal Lecter
            Hannibal Lecter 8 January 2017 20: 38
            0
            "God cannot be killed." That is, crucifying with the hands of the Romans is not killing. Yes, formally it is impossible to kill, but in the human body it is physically possible. Logically, I think it is true that it is the Jews who are to blame for the death of Jesus due to the fact that as gypsies (I apologize) wandered around the world until 1948.
            1. TNT
              TNT 8 January 2017 20: 45
              0
              Quote: hannibal lecter
              God cannot be killed. "That is, crucifying with the hands of the Romans is not killing. Yes, formally you cannot kill, but in the human body you can physically.

              Kill God in the human body? belay
              Do you even understand what you are writing?
              Quote: hannibal lecter
              I logically consider it true that it was the Jews who were to blame for the death of Jesus due to the fact that as gypsies (I apologize) wandered around the world until 1948.

              Logically, from all your opuses you can understand one thing, that you are an inveterate anti-Semite, but because of your narrow horizons and lack of education, you cannot even develop a more or less convincing theory.
              On sim, we will end our short communication, as a famous person used to say.

              you'd better drink it. hi
  27. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 4 July 2017 07: 50
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    Of the 1506 missiles fired around Israel, the majority (at least 875 - 58%) exploded in open areas outside populated areas, 58 missiles in urban areas (3,8%).


    Another game of numbers from our cunning little brothers.
    Issued 1506, not there - 875.
    So, 631 missiles were fired there. 58 missiles NOT intercepted.
    So, the probability of NOT interception is a little less than 10%!
    And not 3,8, as our false-speaking "partners" write.