The United Group of Forces in the Caucasus. Part Two - Reply to the "Peacekeepers"

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After the article "United grouping of troops in the Caucasus. Prospects and goals," some particularly zealous "peacekeepers" from this region began to actively "splash saliva" in my direction. This is understandable. The conflict is in such a phase that it is no longer possible to find those responsible for the deaths on both sides. Both Baku and Yerevan have their own truth. And this is precisely the truth, not the "truth." Armenians and Azerbaijanis are right. Right in their own way. Just because the death of a soldier, the death of a civilian, the death of a child gives a person the right to this truth.





I do not want to reopen the wound, which today is more than 10500 days. Therefore, the article was primarily about the need to create groups in order to prevent the next "small war" in the region. I analyzed the need to create a group for the Russian Federation. But the activity of readers, especially from Baku, simply forces to continue the topic.

So, in the previous article I briefly touched on the April battles in Karabakh. As well as the interpretation of the results of these fights by some Baku politicians. I did not write about the official position of the President of Azerbaijan on this issue, but, apparently, in vain. Well, the error must be corrected.

A week ago, President Ilham Aliyev held a meeting with cadets of Azerbaijani military schools from the Fizuli region. Some participants in this meeting were directly involved in the fighting. Therefore, no one expected a “politeness” from the president. And Ilham Aliyev himself is not very inclined towards them.

What interesting did the president of Azerbaijan say? If it is simple, then only that Azerbaijan "will put an end to the occupation of its lands, and there is every reason for this: the army of Azerbaijan is among the strongest armies in the world, its material and technical support is at the highest level, its combat capability is increasing, professionalism is increasing."

As you can see, dear "peacemakers", I'm right, not you. Baku is not going to refuse a military solution to the problem. Moreover, the leadership of Azerbaijan sees this decision as the only correct one.

"In April, Armenia made another armed provocation against our state, our people. The heroic Azerbaijani army - soldiers and officers of our people - responded adequately to this provocation. After conducting a successful counter-offensive operation, it dealt crushing blows to the enemy, and freed part of the lands under occupation Azerbaijan. The operation to clean the height of Leletepe in the Fizuli region from invaders is our glorious history... Today we are able to destroy any object of the enemy. The April battles once again demonstrated the power of our army. "

I repeat, who is right and who is to blame for this conflict is difficult to understand today. And is it necessary? The main task today is different. The main thing today is to prevent another slaughter. Aliyev is right that the Azerbaijani army today is a real force. And training, and weapons. Indeed, the reform of the army has been carried out by Baku since 1994. And carried out successfully.

But ... The Armenian army, albeit not so much, but also knows how and has. Cadres of the Armenian army are also trained professionally. Arms also purchased. And what will this lead to?

The conflict, if allowed, will be even more bloody. More mothers will mourn their sons. At both sides. Even more hatred will be in the common people in relation to the opposite side. And who will benefit from this?

The people of Azerbaijan? The people of Armenia? Russia? USA? Martians, finally? No one!

The only party that would very much like to have such a conflict in the Caucasus is the terrorist organizations that are frantically searching for ways out of Syria and Iraq. Which need "peace bases" in places where they will not reach the Russian or American aircraft.

Thus, I returned to the idea about which I wrote in the previous article. The new group will become the frontier of protection not only for Russia, but for the entire Caucasus. Including both states, which today are "in standby mode". A thin world is better than a good war. Diplomatic victory is not less a victory than a military one.

Ilham Aliyev calls the victory in the April battles historical. I completely agree with this interpretation. History is written by the people and for the people. For Azerbaijan, for the history of Azerbaijanis, victory will always remain a victory. And those 2000 hectares of land that the soldiers "returned" are probably worth such losses and such costs. From the point of view of the victory.

And in terms of common sense? 2000 hectares of land in Fizuli, Jabrail and Agdere districts against officially recognized 31 dead? And according to Armenian intelligence, this number rises to 94 ... In four days of fighting. Is it too much for far from the most populated states of the world? For not the most fertile lands of the region?

Russia is often blamed for the fact that during our "separate" existence, we have learned to "freeze" conflicts in the territories of the former Soviet republics. We allegedly do not let the peoples solve their problems on their own. Central Asia, Transnistria, Nagorno-Karabakh, South Ossetia, Abkhazia. This is not a complete list of countries where Russia "has prevented to solve." Where Russia stopped the real massacre. War of all against all.

Solve it! Every nation must solve its own problems. Decide, not pour the blood of their own fellow citizens. As it happens today in Ukraine.
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  1. +8
    22 November 2016 14: 28
    I would like to remind the author that the Armenian side does not want to surrender the occupied territory under any circumstances. Even under conditions of exchange of territories. The Americans proposed making the Lachin corridor and the corridor at the expense of Armenian lands to the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic, along the border with Iran, but the Armenians rested. And why we stand up for the Armenian side, I do not understand. Armenians by faith are not brothers to us (Georgians yes), Russians are disdainful of Russians (who wants to see, I recommend visiting the Armenian diasporas), Armenia is the only ethnically clean former Soviet republic (the only one, they expelled all Azerbaijanis during perestroika.) if they benefit, they will sell us offal. We have a strong Armenian lobby in Russia, so we’re going to where it wasn’t worth it, because in which case Russian lives will have to be given.
    1. +3
      22 November 2016 22: 10
      This strong Armenian lobby should be given on the forehead so that they themselves would not climb wherever it was worth it!
    2. +3
      24 November 2016 15: 23
      You don't know anything about Armenia and the Armenians. About a strong Armenian lobby in Russia - this is strong. Given the fact that lobbying in the legal sense does not exist in the Russian legal field, there are no legal mechanisms to influence decision-making in the legislative, executive and judicial authorities. If you will communicate with the "Armenian lobby", hint at the need to resolve the issue with the only (!) Closed Armenian school in Moscow.

      There is a phenomenon in Russian reality that can be called the "Azerbaijani military-political lobby", but it is based on the system of kickbacks and cuts in the military budget of Az.R.

      Baku’s positions in Dagestan are also very strong, due to both ethnic power clans in this republic and business positions from Az.R. in Derbent.

      As for the exchange of land - with your 6 hundredths (if you have any), trade with anyone you want.

      About "we stand up for the Armenian side" - this is strong. Apparently, the operation "Ring" for the deportation of 26 Armenian villages to the NKAO and the participation of Russian paratroopers led by Shamanov in the war on the side of Baku - is this "we stand up for the Armenian side"?
  2. +4
    23 November 2016 01: 15
    I agree that both with the author and with the post below, the Armenians do not respect us, and they think that Russia is preventing them from living. I also visited their pubs and learned "a lot of interesting things" - advice to everyone who believes that the Russian Federation has "brothers" besides the Navy and the Army. It is simply not possible to talk, to conduct a dialogue. And I was surprised that in Azerbaijani publics, you can at least somehow talk with people. Don't take my word for it, just check, damn it, I hope I was just looking in the wrong place.
    1. +1
      24 November 2016 20: 12
      Quote: FuckNato
      And it was surprised that in Azerbaijani publics, you can at least somehow talk with people

      Put "+". Just do not advise the author to conduct a "dialogue" with them on the street in places of their congestion ...)))
      1. +1
        27 November 2016 10: 13
        Quote: ava09
        Just do not advise the author to conduct a "dialogue" with them on the street in places of their concentration ...)))

        oh well we will not eat laughing
        1. 0
          28 November 2016 11: 28
          Quote: Yalquzaq1
          Quote: ava09
          Just do not advise the author to conduct a "dialogue" with them on the street in places of their concentration ...)))

          oh well we will not eat laughing

          There were precedents in Baku in the 90s.
  3. +3
    23 November 2016 01: 26
    It is cynical, in pindoc, but if they want to fight against pissy, their job is to intervene when both sides are tired of the war, and with the lesser blood of our soldiers, force everyone to peace and act as such saviors.
    In whose territory should this group be located? And how to avoid participating in a conflict if it suddenly breaks out?
  4. +6
    23 November 2016 04: 26
    Azerbaijani Islamic fundamentalism and radicalism is even greater evil than the "strong Armenian lobby in Russia". Besides, Azerbaijan is culturally much more distant from us than Armenia.
    1. +1
      27 November 2016 10: 05
      Quote: Lumumba
      Azerbaijani Islamic fundamentalism and radicalism

      Are you smoking mixtures or glue? laughing smoke normal weed wassat
  5. +4
    23 November 2016 08: 27
    I am categorically against this association, because I doubt very much that if Russia has military problems, Armenia will send at least one soldier to help Russia!
    1. 0
      24 November 2016 14: 47
      Quote: Demeter
      I am categorically against this association, because I doubt very much that if Russia has military problems, Armenia will send at least one soldier to help Russia!

      Just wondering what such an opinion is based on?
      1. +2
        24 November 2016 15: 57
        For example, in the US war against Yugoslavia and Russia against Georgia. The United States helped, but none of these `` allies '' sent a single soldier to help Russia, and even Crimea was not recognized as part of the Russian Federation.
        1. +1
          28 November 2016 11: 43
          What kind of nonsense? Armenia always votes against anti-Russian resolutions in the UN General Assembly, including in the Crimea.

          Now a joint group of troops of Russia and Armenia has been created in Armenia, the air defense / missile defense systems are integrated, the agreement on a military base is prolonged for 49 years. What are you talking about?
    2. +2
      27 November 2016 10: 10
      and now the Armenians are participating in all NATO programs, are preparing a new agreement with the EU, allies laughing
      1. +1
        28 November 2016 11: 38
        Armenia has always positioned itself as a state with a multi-vector complimentary foreign policy. And Armenia, as far as I know, copes with this role perfectly, remaining a "bridge" for cooperation between the West and the East. Including the EU and the US.

        Moreover, Armenia has excellent relations with Muslims, both with Shiites and Sunnis. Armenian churches and monasteries from Iran are included in the UNESCO World Heritage List, Armenian churches and Sunday schools are opened with the participation of representatives of the ruling dynasties recently in relatively new communities in Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE.

        Therefore, Baku’s policy of representing the world in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh as a conflict of religions failed.
        1. 0
          28 November 2016 23: 09
          Ally, this is not one that is ours and yours, like your Armenia and others. Separated, let them live on their own and at their own expense, and not at the expense of the Russian Federation, since they are so independent.
          1. 0
            29 November 2016 07: 57
            Quote: Demeter
            Ally, this is not one that is ours and yours, like your Armenia and others. Separated, let them live on their own and at their own expense, and not at the expense of the Russian Federation, since they are so independent.

            I understand that in addition to emotions, the arguments are over?
            1. 0
              29 November 2016 08: 40
              If you consider an ally a country that wants to help, but wants not, then I have different ideas about allies. An ally is one who always helps and Armenia today does not meet these criteria. Too often, her ambitions for independence, and sometimes outright Russophobia, prevail over Russia's interests. In general, Russia needs to look for allies with common interests with whom it is possible to interact against a common enemy, and not take root, which must be fed at the expense of Russia, ready to betray, or turn away at any time.
              1. +1
                30 November 2016 10: 54
                Everything that you have specified as "arguments" belongs to the category of "emotions".

                And the facts are as follows - the country's leadership, headed by Commander-in-Chief V.V. Putin, Minister of Defense S.K.Shoygu, possessing all the completeness of strategic, operational and other classified information, as well as being guided by a more history of allied relations between the Russian and Armenian peoples, numbering almost 1000 years old, decided to create a joint force grouping with Armenia. What speaks of the highest level of mutual trust. In addition, joint exercises and exercises of the special forces of the RF Armed Forces on the territory of mountain ranges in Armenia are regularly held.

                Regarding economic relations, most of Armenia’s exports, including in the military-industrial complex, are oriented to the Russian Federation, and the tourism industry is huge.

                Regarding the "kept woman" - Armenia independently bears the burden of expenses of the military base in Gyumri, and in order to repay the state debt to Russia, Armenia transferred into ownership many infrastructure and industrial facilities, Russia did not write off a single ruble of Armenia's debt, as was done by billions of dollars with Cuba, Mongolia, Vietnam and many other countries. I'm not even talking about Ukraine and Belarus.

                Therefore, it is worth a little sober reflection and study of the issue, and not be guided by personal emotions, which does not paint a man.
                1. 0
                  30 November 2016 11: 00
                  1) Putin, if you are not aware of the events, is not an autocrat of all Russia and is not an authority for me, as well as for millions of citizens of the Russian Federation. 2) The turnout in the elections in the Russian Federation was less than 40% and even not all of them voted for EP. I am not a Putin parrot and I have my own opinion. 3) Russia has done a lot for Armenia, but I don’t see anything useful Armenia did for Russia after the collapse of the USSR. 4) Yes, Armenia’s debt to the Russian Federation has not been written off, but it does not decrease, but increases, which I don’t like. 5) Russia has a lot of its problems, for the solution of which it was possible and necessary to spend the money given, even if on credit, to Armenia.
                  1. 0
                    1 December 2016 14: 08
                    If you don’t know something, then it only means that you don’t know something. AND MORE ABOUT ANYTHING.

                    1) Putin is the plenipotentiary president of the country, with a confidence rating of up to 90%. If you do not enter into these 90% - this is your personal affair, this in no way cancels my arguments about making decisions.
                    2) Your opinion - you have the right, no questions. The question is how well-reasoned is it.
                    3) On the issue of bilateral relations, you can ask separately, there is a lot of information - from support in the UN, to economics and military cooperation.
                    4) See paragraph 2.
                    5) See paragraph 2.

                    Less emotion and more awareness. Good luck
  6. +1
    28 November 2016 11: 29
    Quote: Yalquzaq1
    Quote: Lumumba
    Azerbaijani Islamic fundamentalism and radicalism

    Are you smoking mixtures or glue? laughing smoke normal weed wassat

    Look how many people from Az.R. fighting in the ranks of ISIS? And look what they write about these "heroes" in social networks.