Instead of Austrian and British rifles, snipers were issued SVD and "Vintorezy"

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Instead of Austrian and British rifles, snipers were issued SVD and "Vintorezy"Snipers "new model" was hoping to get samples of modern foreign rifles, to conduct full-fledged training. However, they were disappointed in the form of outdated Russian SVD, equipped with a folding butt, and "Vintorez", reports the newspaper "Izvestia".

At the moment, instructors pay special attention to developing precision shooting with rifles produced in Russia and the development of skills of students on psychological stability in combat conditions. However, they fully recognize the fact that in the event of a real confrontation with snipers, who will have long-range rifles, the chances of winning are negligible. Izvestiya published the words of one of the instructors conducting training in the center of sniper units. On condition of anonymity, he mentioned that before the start of classes, they hoped to get the best foreign sniper rifles.

According to the future sniper, they thought that they would be able to choose any rifles with good optics, high target ranges, and any uniforms for training. In this case, Austrian rifles Mannliche and British AWM-F, as well as thermal underwear, which allows you to sit in ambush for hours, would be ordered. However, in fact, it turned out that the cadets were given only a regular weapon.

He mentioned that Russian rifle samples allow snipers to confidently fire in forests, cities, mountains, and with fire support from Special Forces soldiers. But in the case of a counter-sniper struggle, when “free arrows” track down each other, they are practically useless. Fighter with a rifle Dragunova has extremely low chances.

Representatives of the headquarters of the Southern Military District confirmed to Izvestia that samples of foreign-made rifles were not supplied to any military unit, as they are not in service with the Russian army. However, the reconnaissance units of the Airborne Forces of Russia have already begun to master the Mannlicher sniper rifles that came to them at the end of the year. The General Staff mentioned that front-line snipers may not even get long-range rifles from foreign manufacturers.

According to the military, rifles will be tested in special units until the end of this year. After that, the issue of their combat duty will be decided. At the moment, they are considered only as weapons for special-purpose units for work on a specific program, and with a normal field exit, snipers in any case will give out the main type of weapon.

Alexander Khramchikhin, head of the analytical department at the Institute of Military and Political Analysis, commented on the situation with rifles for field snipers. He suggested that the front part of the good rifles will never get. According to him, "it is naive to believe" that the ground forces, which are always equipped on a residual basis, will receive the latest weapons. Only after a good rifle completely satisfies the needs of the Airborne Forces and special forces, high-precision rifles will begin to flow in the usual parts.

In turn, Alexander Konovalov, President of the Institute for Strategic Assessment and Analysis, noted that Austrian and English-made rifles are several times more expensive than Russian ones. And the benefits, he said, are not so obvious. When carrying out an all-arms battle, the long-range rifles have not so many advantages. In addition, using a French or British rifle, you can take a position on a tree and hit the enemy in the head from a distance of three kilometers. With the SVD this is not possible to repeat, but in these conditions there are much more important tasks than the destruction of individual enemy fighters.
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  1. J_silver
    +55
    21 January 2012 09: 18
    Here is an expert with the ability to "hit the enemy in the head at a distance of 3 km"! The main thing is that from the tree!
    If someone calls himself an expert with such knowledge, it remains only to swear heartily and wait for further annealing of such "experts" ...
    What kind of leaders - such and "experts" they choose ...
    1. +7
      21 January 2012 11: 26
      With 3 km you won’t get into the tank;))))
      1. +25
        21 January 2012 13: 49
        Well, maybe you’ll get into a tank, but it’s very doubtful in a man! I didn’t understand something: for shooting at a distance of 3 (!) Km, does the author use regular army rifles or special, specialized ones? If regular - then this is absolute _b_r_e_d_.
        SVD is very good if it is of an old Soviet issue, especially if it is from the 60s. VSS is also good up to 500 m. PSO-1 and its variations have marks for shooting at distances up to 1,5 km. And then, the SVD is a regular army rifle, it is, let's say, "for everyone," for a soldier on the battlefield. And "not for everyone" there is also a specialized weapon that the USSR had since the 30s (such as SA); and I suppose that Austrian rifles are also "not for everyone." For counter-sniper work, of course, it would be nice to have something specialized, but here, IMHO, first of all, professionalism and brain work, and if it exists, then you can resist the enemy with the SVD.
        1. +16
          21 January 2012 17: 37
          The Soviet sniper Semyon Danilovich Nomokonov, on the combat account of which 367 killed enemies, generally shot from the usual three-ruler. This is about the need for a super rifle. Yes it is necessary. But a lot depends on the training of a sniper. A SVD standard rifle, of course you need to have something it’s the best, but you need to set a specific task for the gunsmiths and ask them. And do not try to stock up on imported weapons.
          1. gor
            gor
            +3
            22 January 2012 09: 31
            Actually, you need rifles and training, and in combination it will give results. Or someone will say that Russian snipers are more trained than NATO snipers, and if so, what criteria are they more prepared for?
            1. +3
              22 January 2012 20: 22
              Preparation is approximately equal (with slight variations). But the Americans do not have one: the Russian mentality and Russian ingenuity ...
            2. +1
              22 January 2012 22: 58
              And you yourself know a lot about our snipers? or something about NATO?
          2. knight 77
            0
            22 January 2012 13: 37
            three range in accuracy of firing and by distance exceeds the SVD by 2 times; t is not automatic as SVD but a mechanical longitudinal shutter is used, that is, after each shot it must be distorted
            1. +5
              23 January 2012 06: 37
              "juggle" is necessary when the wife does not give, and the rifle is cocked or reloaded. This is the question of competence.
        2. +9
          21 January 2012 17: 39
          Shooting "for two kilometers" is often referred to as tales and movie stuff. Nevertheless, this is a very real sport. True, super expensive and rare. However, long-range shooting is not necessarily a few kilometers away. “This is shooting outside the supersonic range,” says Vlad Lobaev, owner of Tsar Cannon, one of the most respected Russian long-range shooters and manufacturer of precision rifles. - A prerequisite is a transonic transition or even shooting at the sound. Therefore, for different calibers, shooting at certain distances is considered to be ultra-long. In .223 caliber, shooting will be already a kilometer longer, for .338 - more than 1200 – 1300 m, for .408 CheyTac - more than 2200 – 2300 m. ”

          Long-range shooting is of interest only to demonstrate the capabilities of the cartridge and weapons. In sniping, it is not used because of the low probability of hitting the first shot. For combat applications, a guaranteed hit is required.
          They also don’t shoot with their favorite long-range military caliber .338 Lapua Magnum and .416 Rigby - their performance is slightly lower than the record ones, although they are happy to take them as a basis. On the basis of .338 LM, for example, record systems of calibres .338 Improved and .338 Snipetac are made. But until recently, the specific .338 / .416 Rigby caliber was dominant. In the USA, by the way, there is a group of hunters (a dozen or two) at very long distances, who used the .416 / .338 Rigby caliber. They took the bear on 300 m, and the deer on 19!

          The current ultra-long hit is the .408 caliber, which has occupied a niche between the .338 LM and .50 BMG calibers and was originally intended exclusively for military use. .408 was ideally suited for long-range and at the same time not prohibitively heavy rifle.
          There can be no talk of any streaming training of snipers for shooting at 3 km

          And from practice

          Theory, as they say, is dead without practice. And here we are visiting Vlad Lobaev near Tarusa, we can’t find a closer range for the “two kilometers” shot. The rifle is a serial SVL caliber .408 manufactured by Tsar Cannon. 24-fold sight rests on the experimental bar with a flow rate of 400 minutes - this is enough to shoot almost over the horizon. The distance to the target (metal plate-gong 50 x 50 cm against the background of a black growth figure 170 x 60 cm) along the range finder is 2025 m. The temperature is about + 1 ° C, a vile, piercing gusty wind blows. Vlad on his ballistic calculator Sniper Pro 4000 calculates the shooting parameters. At this temperature, the transonic transition will be approximately equal to 2200 m. This means that we do not have very long-range shooting. But the size of the shooting range does not allow to move the target. Vlad slowly takes ten sighting shots and introduces the final amendments. That's it, the show has begun. Because of the sinus is removed another series of cartridges .408 caliber with integral bullets. Ten test shots and seven hits in the growth target, of which three hits in a row directly into the gong. One of them is mine. So ordinary mortals can shoot beyond 2 km. Especially when they have second number Vlad Lobaev.
        3. knight 77
          +5
          22 January 2012 13: 31
          professionalism and the work of the brain, and if it is, then with the SVD it is possible to resist the enemy. I completely agree. If for conscripts, then SVD will not become a sniper a lot during the year. If we talk about actions in the forest, it is probably difficult to find a better SVD if mobility and rate of fire are put in the first place. when you act at distances up to 500m
          1. Pathologus
            +1
            19 February 2012 14: 51
            This is all good, but I'm afraid that many would disagree with you. In many situations, it is better to have a specialized sniper rifle rather than an SVD. And one more thing, if I don’t confuse anything, then the SVD was developed as a rifle to increase the range of infantry units, and not as a SV. If wrong, correct .. drinks
        4. wvivon
          -9
          22 January 2012 18: 41
          Uhalus,
          correctly give them shovels with an optical sight and a bucket on their head the place of the helmet ..... but so quickly complete the armament program wink
          1. +1
            22 January 2012 20: 26
            I repeat: SVD - for the soldiers and sergeants, the main full-time rifle. Special forces sniper training should be multifaceted and with different weapons. Including and with foreign samples.
            ... True, I saw a man who fell into a matchbox from 500 meters and it was from the SVD. There are, you see, people who like to shoot for pleasure ...
            1. +1
              25 February 2012 15: 54
              About the love of shooting. In 78 or in 79, I don’t remember exactly, I worked in a workshop for repairing small arms. Men came and quite vigorously discussed the incident that had just happened in the shooting range. The WWII-SMERShevets veteran, when training the younger generation, showed focus at a distance 25 meters with a shot from the TT left cracks on the three-liter bank by tangential flight of a bullet, motivating his ability not to eliminate the enemy, but only to shell him.
      2. andreirib
        -43
        21 January 2012 18: 32
        Yes, what about the American Borrett. In Afghanistan, shot targets at a distance of 2.5 km. easy . So, so the SVD AND CUTTER bullshit against Barrett. And that is a fact. You are all sitting in your USSR stagnation and you cannot see the world is not standing still but is developing. And you all rave about the USSR and Soviet weapons it sucks FULL !!
        1. JIGIT
          +20
          21 January 2012 19: 01
          Ebony, it’s better to learn to write normally, but don’t get smart with your Barret ...
          Former compatriots are sitting behind the hill and trying to pour mud on Russia, schnicks!
          1. J_silver
            +11
            21 January 2012 19: 05
            He is just very young and not very smart - then he wouldn’t write all crap so categorically ......
          2. andreirib
            -32
            21 January 2012 19: 21
            Nice to meet you. Not with dirt but with truth - does the truth of the eye pierce? What is and is. All good.
            1. +11
              22 January 2012 01: 07
              See my comment above. You can't compare weapons of different classes and specializations (although ... I imagine how you can master a throw-march with a heavy fool like "Barrett" ... And how in battle, covering your own, you will feverishly turn it around, dreaming of a higher rate of fire).
            2. Anatoly
              +5
              22 January 2012 12: 58
              Yes Yes! WE know how your brave American shooters still can not cope with a handful of Afghan Bedouins, with Soviet (mind you!) Weapons.
              1. Scythian 35
                0
                April 24 2013 07: 59
                Well, to be honest in the eyes of Soviet shooters, they also could not cope with the Bedouins for ten years. True, the Afghan Bedouins at that time were armed with English rifles of the mid-18th century.
        2. Drcoks
          +11
          21 January 2012 21: 34
          A recorded (but unofficial) record in military operations (not at the training ground) of 2148 meters in Afghanistan was made by a NATO officer (a native of Canada). So for 2.500 you are like a gray gelding.
          The SVD is a purely army rifle, I think it will go for support. The screw cutter, the main thing is accuracy and noiselessness, is also not intended for sniper duels. But for professionals acting autonomously, there are other patterns.
          People parsing me will correct where I wrote something =)
          1. Sergh
            +4
            21 January 2012 22: 30
            One thing here in the article looked cleverly to me, Vladimir Anatolyevich Shamanov for his men will get everything in the first place. Well done general.
            1. sahha
              +4
              21 January 2012 23: 40
              They shamble it to Shamans, if it wasn’t a fact in other troops that they were armed with rifles, there’s another case; the airborne elite of the army, naturally the best weapons are sold to elite units in the first place.
        3. +6
          22 January 2012 01: 03
          Sir, "Barrett" and SVD with VSS-2 ("Vintorez") - weapons of different classes and specializations. You are not comparing 20 mm and 152 mm guns, are you? Compare the old Soviet SA with "Barrett", not to mention the modern ones like KAFP - the results will be very similar.
          If we compare the SVD, then with the Amerovskaya AR-10, for example. The shooting results are almost the same (depending on the release of the weapon / cartridge), and the reliability of the SVD is an order of magnitude higher.
          1. Scythian 35
            0
            April 24 2013 08: 07
            If your knowledge is limited to large-caliber barrett, then I think you better not join the discussion. I will tell you a military secret. A barrett produces weapons of various calibers, different weapons, and for different purposes of use.
        4. +6
          22 January 2012 01: 03
          Ale a wise guy compared x .... th with the handle of the trunk different 7,62 / 54 and 12,7 / 108 you even visually saw these two cartridges writer canadian took the spirit from the Intervention - CheyTac Long Range Rifle System ito from his words with 3 shots so when you write at least get ready wink
          1. andreirib
            -28
            22 January 2012 01: 54
            Listen to the wiseacres. I am not a military man. But from vintorez and s SVD, without any preparation, I will show a good result. Because the range is very small. I do not boast of Kalash shot once the result as in the textbook. And if the Army gathered to prepare snipers, it’s not this shit. But Barrett will love it better, and all experts know this. I saw videos from it, even fragile women shoot easily. It can be automatically felled and felled. If it’s hard for someone to move around with weapons, then he doesn’t have a place in the army.
            1. knight 77
              +6
              22 January 2012 13: 54
              watch the videos further, and you can only show the results in a computer game, and indeed, that you jerk can know about the results which they should be yap
              1. Anatoly
                0
                22 January 2012 14: 22
                Well said!
              2. andreirib
                -6
                23 January 2012 21: 31
                Hey knight, how fast for you? What's the smartest>? If only there were really smart people in Russia, then on this site the best weapon would be Russian. Attack and so everything is clear !!
            2. +4
              22 January 2012 14: 44
              ... is this just about the army of queers and lesbians probably?
            3. bob
              bob
              +2
              22 January 2012 21: 38
              how old are you, shooter?
            4. bezumnyiPIT
              0
              1 February 2013 13: 22
              Andreirib, You would have handed out snipers on a nuclear warhead, they have more damage laughing
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          2. andreirib
            -19
            22 January 2012 02: 22
            I had in mind Barrett M-107, he is a large-bore precisely such and should be a sniper weapon. http://video.mail.ru/mail/anzor.ashur/20/49.html

            And even with this rifle in agan shot targets at a distance of 2.430 meters. More precisely, 3 goals And 1 even behind the iron 1 cm sheet. So get better. Yours faithfully!
            1. +4
              22 January 2012 03: 16
              In general, it would be more correct not "in Avgan", but "in Afgan", since this word comes from the name of the country AF Ghanistan. Otherwise, your opponents are right - a sniper in a motorized rifle unit and special forces have different missions and operate in different conditions. Therefore, they need different weapons.
            2. Drcoks
              +2
              22 January 2012 10: 58
              Did you shoot? or read where?
        5. knight 77
          +7
          22 January 2012 13: 44
          you need to go around this forest for a week with this BARETTO and choose a position in the forest in order to hit someone at 2500m, and then you will make conclusions whether such a weapon should always be worn by a sniper
        6. 0
          22 January 2012 14: 40
          .... he is all moving, moving, moving ... coming soon ...
        7. biglow
          +1
          22 January 2012 19: 27
          shooting for 2 kilometers was in Afghanistan only in ideal conditions and shot by a Canadian sniper, a former champion.
        8. +1
          22 January 2012 20: 31
          What about ASVK Kord? The weapon is no worse ...
          I understand that you are a Barrett fan. But, damn it, compare weapons of the same class!
        9. +1
          23 January 2012 00: 29
          Young man, you obviously have seen enough Hollywood movies.
          A simple example is that you won’t get into a moving target from a kilometer, but you are telling fairy tales to people. Secondly, the barrel and screw cutter are completely different in class and caliber.
        10. Hans grohman
          -1
          25 January 2012 18: 30
          Quote: andreirib
          And it is a fact

          Better you are a little dead!
        11. Green every
          0
          14 February 2012 17: 53
          here those nate horseradish in tomato! what time are you sitting? Russia has already woken up and started to develop! Now the SOVIET weapons are certainly worse than the new NATO models. But only Soviet. There are better rifles than your Barreta!
    2. -1
      22 January 2012 19: 30
      Quote: J_Silver
      What kind of leaders - such and "experts" they choose ...








      Yes, no, dear, what is stated in the article is not a fact that it takes place. What customers of this article are - such are the "Experts", such are commentators like Khromchikhin! We have repeatedly been convinced of the provocative nature of such information throws, with the expectation of convincing us all that at the top we have only idiots! Not tired? And ours ... in public relations will be forced (for the umpteenth time!) To prove that all this concoction and the corresponding singers - an inscription on the fence of the type - "Vanka is a fool"! And what about my question - "Are you tired of it?" - in vain I ask ... you - podpindosnik - on us and our army, never get tired of pouring vomit, this is your job!
      1. J_silver
        +1
        23 January 2012 18: 04
        I have to upset you - in fact, everything is much worse, and at the top there are either self-serving pleasures or patented idiots!
        You cannot read a man’s suit at all, if you cannot distinguish a patriot from a liberalist ...
  2. Phoenixl
    +4
    21 January 2012 09: 27
    But the site itself was updated and even two games made
  3. Skiff
    +6
    21 January 2012 09: 31
    "In turn, the president of the Institute for Strategic Assessments and Analysis, Alexander Konovalov, noted that rifles of Austrian and English production are many times more expensive than Russian ones. And the advantages, in his words, are not so obvious."
    Well, judging by the article, it turns out that this is an ordinary proser or a cut of a boble, terrible sadness, grief and ruin.
    1. Sleptsoff
      -15
      21 January 2012 10: 23
      British and American rifles are still the best in the world (according to numerous experts). Deal with it.
      1. NKVD
        +8
        21 January 2012 15: 42
        In the news, as it was shown by Afghanistan, in the background was an Americanos armed SVD, why would he?
        1. Phoenixl
          0
          21 January 2012 16: 41
          Who said it was americos?
          Why not an Afghan?
          1. NKVD
            +7
            21 January 2012 19: 53
            THE FORM ON IT WAS STANDED NEAR THE HAMMER ON THE Muzzle NO MUST BEARD
            1. Phoenixl
              -5
              21 January 2012 21: 22
              Well I do not know
              In general, they often change local clothes into their own

              In general, if you recall why they began to call them pendos, then he could not drive with SVD
              1. +2
                23 January 2012 06: 49
                He could, as he could. Pindos love, not in front of cameras, use the old, but reliable. And as some of the number of visitors in the city (forest) noticed, it is better with SVD (SVDS) - it is more convenient to solve fire tasks. BCC, AU weapons for solving completely different tasks. Let's not forget that a military sniper acts as part of a full-time unit and performs tasks to destroy the enemy command personnel. being in combat contact with his unit. The need for long-range defeat of the enemy in this case is not discussed. There are lines of opening fire for various weapons of the combined arms division. So, the boundary of the opening of fire of small arms of a combined arms unit is the line of 800 meters (depending on the terrain, the range of the line may vary), all that is further struck by machine-gun fire from objects mounted on armored vehicles, BMP, ATGM guns, tank guns, barrel and rocket artillery (namely in that order). Airborne units are designed for operations behind enemy lines (capture and hold ................ a lot of things). For them, a solid front line may not exist and range becomes a vital condition.
            2. Scythian 35
              -1
              April 24 2013 08: 11
              from the fact that I will dress in the form of an Israeli soldier, my pace will not grow in a second laughing
        2. knight 77
          +3
          22 January 2012 14: 01
          then, in order to survive, weapons must be reliable universal mobile and easy to use
      2. DYMITRY
        0
        23 January 2012 08: 24
        Just the same experts consider the best Belgian, Austrian and Swiss rifles, if we talk about target and sniper. As for the amers and arrogance, then whatever source you give at the output you get one product - shit.
    2. Anatoly
      0
      22 January 2012 13: 08
      But on the order of several hundred Volkswagen minibuses, for command, they have money ...
      The indicative article is a small example of how obsolete weapons from warehouses are delivered to units, instead of purchasing new ones. Is our budget distributed until 2020? This year we will find out how much money was stolen and how much weapons should have been procured, instead of outdated. And as a scarlet echo, I recall this article.
    3. Supervision
      0
      26 July 2012 00: 27
      I say with confidence our weapons are much more expensive 3-4 times, specifically for the Austrian I speak
  4. reflex
    +19
    21 January 2012 10: 08
    A sniper is not a separate enemy fighter, it is an independent combat unit that can stop a battle and! And what are you surprised if the NGSh TTX T-90 itself does not know and compares the MLRS with tactical missile launchers.
    1. _CAMOBAP_
      +6
      22 January 2012 11: 26
      Why is there a "battalion" - a regiment, or even a division. The main thing is that the cartridges do not run out and the "battalion" consisted of unarmed deaf-blind soldiers.
  5. Owl
    +5
    21 January 2012 10: 45
    If there are significant purchases of VSS products, then the cost of Vintorez for buyers will decrease, I would like more good products to come to the subdivisions, otherwise we have only one VSS.
  6. sanych your division
    +5
    21 January 2012 11: 02
    here the French were surprised that they have such a miracle! write all sorts of crap
  7. +15
    21 January 2012 11: 20
    Yes, at the expense of 3 km from the tree, he certainly was enough wink . As for the SVD and Vintorez, you can find a replacement for Russian-made SVD, Lobaev makes good rifles, Vintorez is good at a short distance and is more suitable for anti-terrorist operations and battles in the city. In my opinion, it would be better to give a task for a new rifle to Russian gunsmiths instead of looking west.
    1. +7
      21 January 2012 11: 27
      Yes, at the expense of 3 km from the tree, he certainly was enough
      Well, how did he shoot and fall by the new method;)))
    2. +24
      21 January 2012 12: 17
      SVD is conceived as a "battlefield" rifle - rapid-fire, reliable, maneuverable. Snipers with her operate as part of the unit, providing fire support. SVD is a very good medium-range weapon (which is what its optics are designed for) for this it was developed and the technical task was accordingly. Long-range rifles are a completely different type of weapon and there are domestic samples - SV98, SVDM.
      1. +1
        22 January 2012 03: 17
        This is a competent answer.
  8. larsky1
    +5
    21 January 2012 11: 31
    than buying abroad, it would be better to announce a tender for the creation of our rifles for various combat conditions. And you can’t create your own, so copy it! Here are the Chinese copying and nothing ...
    1. +4
      22 January 2012 08: 28
      Quote: larsky1
      And you can’t create your own, so copy it! Here are the Chinese copying and nothing ...

      In the production of barrels there is a proverb "material for a penny - work for a ruble". First, you need to copy equipment that costs "a million" and must be highly accurate (at least with the prefix "nano" fellow )
      The Chinese option is to copy the form and not the essence.
      1. krot00f
        0
        27 May 2013 13: 39
        Why is it True Straight With a nano prefix? And piecemeal ammunition on machines to sharpen.) This is all pribluda for athletes For 2 km to shoot. You can count them on your fingers and they are able to buy for themselves anything anyone's production, and in Russia there is production from private firms where they are able to make trunks in "0" / This all has nothing to do with the sun. The Armed Forces need mass character, and so that any conscript can handle a weapon. The principle of necessary but sufficient has been forgotten.
  9. Adolf Visarionovich
    -14
    21 January 2012 11: 31
    Why does this ministerial website not say that Putin and the government have banned the payment of material assistance to the military personnel at their disposal?
    http://www.ofizer.ru/news/predsedatel_pravitelstva_v_putin_zapretil_vyplatu_mate

    rialnoj_pomoshhi_voennosluzhashhim_rasporjazhencam / 2012-01-20-615
    1. +6
      21 January 2012 11: 50
      Question price for military personnel ??? And the fact that the pension for military pensioners in 2 has risen raised did not specify ??
      1. Adolf Visarionovich
        -12
        21 January 2012 11: 56
        And the fact that they paid 600 rubles to the military also
        1. Phoenixl
          +4
          21 January 2012 12: 35
          Are you raving 600 rub. it's a per diem for the trip.
        2. Scracheder
          +5
          21 January 2012 17: 48
          Why lie something! 600 rubles was compensation for unused spa treatment. "In which regiment did you serve ?!"
    2. +6
      21 January 2012 13: 01
      trolls, you can only count money, they scored for the service, and give the money.
  10. +23
    21 January 2012 11: 48
    No army in the world still has analogs of the VSS Vintorez rifle. So this is a very good weapon for its tasks. A new modern sighting system is asking for this rifle. As well as to the SVD.

    Now about SVD. Good self-loading sniper rifle. It is necessary to carry out its modernization in order to increase accuracy, most likely it is even necessary to modernize its production. Those. We need new updated technical requirements from the MO to this rifle. Accordingly, we need a new sniper cartridge in a standard size of 7.62x54. Most of the problems in the barrel-cartridge complex. Otherwise, we will soon be purchasing all sniper cartridges abroad, for example, Lapua. And as I already reminded, a new modern sighting system is needed. By the way, in the USA, developments for snipers of self-loading rifles are in full swing. So it's early to call SVD bad and obsolete weapons.

    Now rifles with a sliding bolt ("bolts"). This is what the snipers want to get. We are not doing so well here. There is an SV-98 rifle based on the Record sporting rifle. Claims to it are familiar - poor quality at a very high price. (The civilian version costs over one hundred thousand rubles).
    In this case, it is probably worth adopting the cartridge 338 Lapua Magnum. And to purchase several lots for field and combat tests. Here it is not necessary to pretend to be a patriot and purchase good imported weapons. Moreover, such rifles do not need so much. SV-98 will definitely lose. Although I really hope that snipers will please our domestic manufacturer ORSIS with its T-5000 rifle.
    1. +14
      21 January 2012 12: 11
      SVD satisfies the needs of a "sniper" with 3 months of training. At a distance of up to 400 m. 7.62x54 with proper manufacturing quality (not gross) flies normally. And more is not necessary.
      1. Phoenixl
        +1
        21 January 2012 12: 38
        SVD is a support weapon and not sniper.
        1. +5
          21 January 2012 13: 56
          "SVD is a support weapon and not a sniper weapon" - but which one? And what kind of support? Explain the thought.
          1. Phoenixl
            +6
            21 January 2012 14: 52
            The staff of the infantry division on the BMP (option), position - rank, number, (weapons):

            squad leader - sergeant 1, (AK-74)
            grenade launcher - ordinary, 1 (RPG-7, APS (PM))
            assistant grenade launcher - shooter - Private, 1, (AK-74)
            machine gunner - ordinary, 1, (RPK-74)
            senior shooter - corporal, 1, (AK-74)
            shooter - ordinary, 3, (AK-74)
            BMP driver-mechanic - Private, 1, (APS (PM))
            gunner-operator, private, 1, (APS (PM))
            sniper - Private, 1, (SVD, PM)


            The SVD is designed for fast firing at short distances to support infantry.
            1. +4
              22 January 2012 01: 11
              Now I understand.
              "Small distances" is an expansive concept: one thing for a pistol, another for a machine gun, and a third for a sniper. For SVD, this is 300 - 500 m. Automatic gunners usually do not fire at such distances. Support, of course, yes; but for the current tactical work, the SVD was created. Therefore, whatever one may say, it is still a sniper rifle.
              1. sanych your division
                +3
                22 January 2012 02: 59
                from the French FAMAS, using the standard J 4 optics, you calmly work at 300 m then such a sniper for hell.? it would be better to refine the machines
                1. +2
                  22 January 2012 20: 47
                  I don’t know, I don’t know ... No offense to you, but I doubt it. Almost small (5.56 NATO), with a varying center of gravity of the machine as the bullets are used up, like all bullpups, the cartridge is a standard common ...
                  In some foreign countries and here unofficially in the army (during the hostilities) optics were installed on the SKS, AK-47 or AKM with the same result.
                  1. guessed
                    0
                    22 January 2012 21: 55
                    If it’s not a secret, how was optics installed on the AKM?
                    1. J_silver
                      0
                      23 January 2012 18: 07
                      They screwed it with wire, how else - you didn’t see any pictures when the optics are on the machine? You are very lucky - because such pictures are half the Internet ...
                    2. Scythian 35
                      -1
                      April 24 2013 08: 24
                      I think they nailed it with nails, and if it was a screwdriver, then the screws laughing
    2. Igor
      0
      21 January 2012 12: 20
      Quote: saruman
      No army in the world still has analogs of the VSS Vintorez rifle. So this is a very good weapon for its tasks. A new modern sighting system is asking for this rifle. As well as to the SVD.

      SVD and Vintorez are good as an additional weapon to the machine for special units, and professional snipers need long-range rifles.
      1. +5
        21 January 2012 12: 41
        Judging by the started reform, sniper groups are special. units. To limit such groups to one long-range weapon is very stupid and short-sighted.
        1. Igor
          +2
          21 January 2012 13: 01
          .
          Quote: saruman
          Judging by the started reform, sniper groups are special. units.

          Yes, I'm not talking about snipers, but about special forces.

          Quote: saruman
          To limit such groups to one long-range weapon is very stupid and short-sighted.

          Well, they won’t storm the cities, the snipers had other tasks to shoot at whom it was necessary and dump them from there until they shot you from the mortar.
      2. 0
        22 January 2012 20: 48
        What if these snipers are working in the city? As a matter for Vintorez.
    3. +6
      21 January 2012 21: 31
      In this case, it is probably worth adopting the cartridge 338 Lapua Magnum. And to purchase several lots for field and combat tests. Here it is not necessary to pretend to be a patriot and purchase good imported weapons. Moreover, such rifles do not need so much. SV-98 will definitely lose.

      Here is the SV-338M rifle made on the basis of the SV-98:

      Moreover, it was made as not inferior to Western models and the Lobayev rifle.
      1. NKVD
        +3
        21 January 2012 22: 29
        Maybe the fact is that we are used to if "firm" means "cool" as with foreign cars
      2. M. Peter
        0
        28 May 2012 17: 41
        Quote: PSih2097
        Here is the SV-338M rifle made on the basis of the SV-98:

        Maybe it's all about the price? I was arguing with one, about the SV-98. The English rifle came out cheaper. He (with whom he argued) acquired for personal use. Speaks cheaper ...
        1. krot00f
          0
          27 May 2013 15: 10
          All survived! I read about the SV-338M rifle "Since we were denied a technical assignment for the development of a new rifle, we had to hand?
          be driven
          US SOCOM (United States Special Operations Command)
          - US Special Operations Command) to PSR
          (Precision Sniper Pifle - high-precision sniper wines?
          tovka) "TK can no longer write. (
      3. badger1974
        0
        14 January 2014 22: 22
        damn, and what kind of "hanger" to the owner of this device when bringing it into a divine form, I'm sure a person with SVD in building will work a person with SV at a time
    4. +3
      21 January 2012 22: 12
      Sarumyan speaks expertly! +1
    5. _CAMOBAP_
      +3
      22 January 2012 11: 46
      I will support and add. Today - IMHO - the main problem is that the customer - MO - can not decide which rifle (or rather rifles) and for which tasks it is necessary to be armed. Relatively speaking, sniper rifles can be divided into two types - a battlefield rifle (a sniper as part of a squad, platoon) and a rifle for solving special tasks, including counter-sniper fighting. The potential of SVD, like battlefield rifles, is far from exhausted. Its characteristics can be significantly improved by the use of a new sighting system, simply by a higher quality of manufacturing - the barrel, primarily with new ammunition. And for this we need modern alloys, metalworking equipment, gunpowder, optics, element base, etc. Thus, the main problem - IMHOR - is not in designs, but in the ability to produce weapons at the modern technological level.
  11. -1
    21 January 2012 11: 50
    parts good rifles never get

    And from this it was necessary to begin, in fact, the whole essence of rearmament in a nutshell
  12. +5
    21 January 2012 11: 57
    3 km? And the author of the article is aware that at such a distance the wind will change a hundred times? This is not a benchrest for you, where the checkbox is every 50 meters. Hit the enemy in the head with 3 km ... Normal caliber is fantastic. A large-caliber system is probably possible if you consider ALL factors (and their dofig) and the goal will stand at attention.
    1. Phoenixl
      +1
      21 January 2012 12: 40
      And you know that snipers (not those in the MCO with SVD) use a ballistic calculator and a device to measure wind speed.
      1. +3
        21 January 2012 13: 57
        An anemometer (pocket weather station) will give you a maximum wind per kilometer (and even with errors). Ballistic calculator is now used by all and sundry. I know. :)
      2. guessed
        +8
        21 January 2012 19: 50
        Do they not use the target paralyzer?
        Do you know how much a bullet flies to a target at 1500m? almost three seconds ... with a brisk step during this time, the target can go 8-10 meters ...
        I’m reading comments ... and I want to skzat ... guys go to the shooting range and shoot ... at least from the pneumatics .... you rub this rubbish ..
      3. badger1974
        0
        14 January 2014 22: 34
        fucking .. it’s possible, it’s interesting, when you are attacked, oh .. you’ll get the electronics and start calculating, Nonsense, the most reliable problem to solve on the go, without waiting for help, in this SVD is not in competition, you want the supper snipers-AVIATION or MLRS
  13. +1
    21 January 2012 12: 15
    Guys, giving Malincher to the combat units is the same as putting all the motorists on Lamborghini. Maybe they will go, but there will be a lot of problems on the road, and pointless.
  14. +11
    21 January 2012 12: 48
    In general, I think it is not correct to compare the Vintorez with long-range rifles. They were created for different purposes. Which is better: a yacht or a car? And after 3 km in the head from a tree .... The article is illiterate.
  15. +10
    21 January 2012 13: 07
    In 2002, two TAC-50 armed Canadian snipers fired record-breaking long-range shots with an effective hit on a live target, Arron Perry at 2310 meters and Rob Furlong at 2430 meters, which exceeds the previous record of the US Marine Corps sniper Carlos Hascock, which was 2286 m.However, hitting a target with the size of a man at such a distance can be regarded as luck. Thus, the accuracy of the special sniper cartridge M1022 Long Range Sniper is AMR <1 MOA at a range of 1000 yards (914,4 m), which translated into a dispersion diameter for 10 shots is 0,9 m at a range of 914 m or at least 2,3 m at a distance of 2430 m (Actually, there is no linear dependence and the circle will be around 20 meters). An error in determining the range to a target of only 10 meters causes the bullet to deviate about 1,5 meters from the aiming point. The error in determining the wind speed is only 0,5 m / s, the bullet deflection is also about 1,5 meters from the aiming point. In addition, standard sights are not designed to compensate for bullet drop at ultra-long ranges. "Expert" is an optimist, however))).
  16. -1
    21 January 2012 13: 13
    ordinary lobass sabotage. svd support weapon. modern assault rifles independently cope with the tasks for SVD. the army needs more powerful and long-range sniper weapons.
  17. +7
    21 January 2012 13: 31
    I agree with saruman и UI-Spb
    you can’t refuse SVD ... it’s Marxman’s weapon (there is such a term ..... let's say the most accurate shooter in the compartment and here SVD and Vintorez are great ...
    but we don’t have normal weapons for snipers
    1. guessed
      +5
      21 January 2012 20: 20
      If you talk about an anti-sniper rifle, then they are produced in Russia enough.
      Here's an example http://stomaster.livejournal.com/1600706.html
      Applied SVD ....
      You just need to know the reasons for its appearance. Soviet snipers during the Second World War often played the role of directly supporting the advancing lines. At least in 44g it was already a constant practice. The problem was in Mosinka. Rather, in its reloading. optics allowed charging only on one cartridge. This is very important in battle conditions. But even five rounds of ammunition in the store made it possible to squeeze the machine gunner in the bunker and let the infantry slip into the dead zone of the machine gun ... In the absence of tactical communication, the sniper replaced heavy weapons in the advancing order ... So that after the war the military knew what they wanted to get. And SVD is a product of WWII battles.
      The problem is that now the military does not know what they need.
      It is believed that SVD and AK are already outdated, and why it is not known.
      Sun experience is now more or less experienced in wars .... but this experience is very specific. It is impossible to rely on him to create small arms for the Russian Armed Forces.
      1. DYMITRY
        +4
        23 January 2012 08: 36
        The coolest anti-sniper rifle is a 125 mm tank gun, I think so. Otherwise, I completely agree.
  18. +1
    21 January 2012 15: 22
    Cheto does not trust the Izvestia newspaper ...
  19. SIA
    SIA
    +1
    21 January 2012 17: 24
    Quote: NKVD
    In the news, as it was shown by Afghanistan, in the background was an Americanos armed SVD, why would he?

    Trophy.
  20. JIGIT
    +2
    21 January 2012 19: 19
    Interestingly, the Russian record for the range in combat conditions, can anyone own the info?

    The legendary and notorious Finnish sniper Simo Hyh, on whose account, according to various sources, 542 of the Red Army, worked without optics at all ..
  21. 0
    21 January 2012 19: 54
    Well, then they’ll go to get trophies from SVD, but what to do? all the same, they couldn’t be able to buy cartridges in proper quantities for imported rifles
  22. marauder
    +3
    21 January 2012 20: 03
    The fact that the author does not understand anything in shooting is a bit of a side.
    But the fact that they didn’t adopt NATO imports is correct.

    Imagine if it were if in 1940 the USSR bought rifles in Germany.

    A Russian rifle worthy of kachetva and accuracy of the battle has already appeared.
    It’s just that they haven’t been adopted yet. We will wait until they appear.
  23. grizzlir
    -1
    21 January 2012 20: 34
    For conventional military units, the SVD is quite enough, for reconnaissance and special forces units, Vintorez is ideal, since clashes usually occur at short distances, but for purely sniper units and anti-terror groups, of course, a new rifle is needed which is not produced in Russia. It has an arms school with such a huge experience and best practices in Russia can not do a good sniper, I do not believe.
  24. Scracheder
    +8
    21 January 2012 20: 43
    The author is an obvious dilettante, an article from the category "In the garden - an elder, and in Kiev - an uncle". Attempts to compare SVD, VSS and anti-sniper weapons from the category "Who will win the whale or the elephant" (it was necessary to read B. Zakhoder in childhood, not comics). All the more unconvincing references to the self-appointed pseudo-expert A. Khramchikhin (the eternal theme of the Chinese military threat). It has been said a lot above that this weapon is for completely different purposes. It is incorrect to compare even the SVD and VSS (for clever people, the VSS barrel if you remove the muffler casing only about 10 cm long, about 5-7 cm longer than that of the dog SR-3, SR-3M "Whirlwind", the rest is somewhere 40cm. empty space. That is, with a barrel length of 21 cm, how can you compare even with the SVD ?? A good range of 200 m is quite enough for a battle in a city, at short distances. In real life, a very good device, although from this series I like CP-3M more (really fits into a case for a 17` laptop), very grasping and light, very powerful subsonic cartridge 9X39 SP-5, SP-6 armor-piercing), by the sound - a sewing machine. Of the shortcomings, I can only note the inconvenient fastening of the double return spring (rather inconvenient when assembling in the field) and naturally a certain shortage of special ammunition
    1. +3
      22 January 2012 08: 21
      I fully support. Here are a few key phrases that are typical for a zhurnolamersky stuffing:
      1. Izvestia published the words of one of the instructors conducting training at the center of sniper units. On terms anonymity he mentioned
      2.Govnoexpert Khramchikhin, so much already ... with his derianalyses, designed for shkolota, that "enough is enough to endure."
      3. Well, the usual orientation of these stuffing-lowering the rating of our army below the baseboard.
      In this regard, offering. wait for. comments MO and not be fooled by these wretched stuffing, well, like little children, by golly ...
  25. +1
    21 January 2012 23: 00
    the old warriors who still served in Agan shared a lot. one soldier at 800 m from the SVD fell right into the cast iron of spirits. Hands off from SVD !!!!!!
    1. -1
      22 January 2012 00: 35
      these are all legends, someone about whom, neither specifics nor surnames.
  26. 0
    22 January 2012 01: 17
    about surnames and secret people is impossible. after I say-- you have to take it away.
  27. Volkhov
    -1
    22 January 2012 02: 36
    The article that imported rifles were purchased, but did not get into the army - it means that they are in Moscow and for Moscow - to regulate moods ...
    1. 0
      22 January 2012 19: 02
      They were purchased .... But, each model needs to be tested ... It’s easy to say .. take a Western model and take it into service without development of military applications .... ...
      1. Volkhov
        +2
        22 January 2012 21: 27
        There were enough 93 snipers in Moscow - through the windows, civilian legs, along Alpha, to be meaner ... Most rejoice at the new rifle, for some reason they think that it is not looking at them. In fact, the distant goal is an exception in the forest, and in the city there are a lot of tall buildings, long streets, goals stand in place at the traffic lights, front doors, sit outside the window ... These gear are for special services, but they can be ordered not what is expected by the average man .
  28. +5
    22 January 2012 09: 30
    We need different weapons, important weapons ... The most remarkable thing is that in our country there’s nothing to be invented. Slaughter-houses abroad do not give the same to every soldier, this is piece goods and training and holding a gunner in combat uniform is far from cheap by their standards . At the beginning, it is required to answer the question of where our military was going to naughty for 3 km ??? Ask him and they will scratch their repu for a long time. You won’t shoot from the elephant bombs as with SVD. All of these barrels are for anti-sniper groups, i.e. to work on koneretnyh targets from a maximum distance, you won’t turn around in such a trench. You should continue to naughty ... Mosin rifle and SVT, make a barrel and appropriate optics from modern materials. But we will run into one ... ammunition. Raise their quality and change neither which is not necessary.
  29. _CAMOBAP_
    +5
    22 January 2012 11: 12
    You can, of course, argue until blue in the face about which rifle is better, tell tales about "easily shot at a distance of 2,5 km ..", etc. - all this is curious. But let's try to turn to dry numbers. Then the following picture is obtained: the initial bullet velocity of the overwhelming majority of modern sniper circuits is somewhere close to 1000m / s. This velocity determines the target (sniper shooting) range in this case. Since the bullet flies along a conventional parabolic trajectory and various forces act on it in flight, such as wind, atmospheric pressure, temperature and air density, the shooting accuracy can be increased by introducing a computer complex into the sight, which takes into account and introduces the appropriate amendments to the sight ... Let's not forget about the temperature of the charge, which also affects the initial velocity, wear of the barrel, etc. ... And now - why there are so many "bukoffs" - and to the fact that there is no point in seriously talking about sniper shooting in combat conditions at a distance of more than 1,5 km (and I still overestimated this) - this is easy to calculate, having knowledge of physics on high school level. The same applies to any direct fire, whether from a tank or a howitzer. It is possible to significantly increase the aiming range only by increasing the initial speed of the bullet (projectile) - again, so, relatively speaking, if you want an aiming range of 2 km - an initial speed of 1500-2000 m / s, if you want 3 km - an initial speed of about 3000 m / s ... it is not yet clear how to compensate for the recoil when fired - but that's another topic ...
  30. Charon
    +2
    22 January 2012 11: 32
    I did not understand something from the article. Is it about training snouts of army snipers or is it about training from scratch?
    Imagine that someone came to a driving school and said that he certainly wanted to learn driving on a Ferrari and at a speed of at least 200 km / h.
    You first learn how to squint your eyes, and then just think about sniper fights.
  31. +2
    22 January 2012 11: 36
    It’s time for our military men in uniform with big stars to stop crying about the poor quality of Russian weapons. There is no such weapon, let alone a small one, that Russia could not develop and produce. All these Iveco Mistrals and everything else are nothing more than corruption and betrayal.
    1. +4
      22 January 2012 13: 31
      LLC WELL AND YOU HAVE AFFECTED THE TOPIC IN VICE !!!!

      about the quality of products and prices it has been said here a lot I don’t want to repeat
      General Lieutenant Shamanov himself publicly stated that Izhmash was not able to make high-quality rifles due to the lack of technology, etc., and therefore the Airborne Forces buys the FYUKBQCRBT L96 - my friend used this miracle !!! I told him well, compared to the SVD answer as EARTH AND SKY, everything is done for people

      the only manufacturer who can compete with foreign brands = this is a private company producing ORSIS rifles namely T-5000 wow
      pictured is the future of Russian snipers, the orsis T-5000 tactical rifle photos from the personal archive October 28, 2011, INTERPOLITECH-2011
      1. krot00f
        0
        27 May 2013 14: 28
        Ha ha Where are the arrows, And where are the gunsmiths, So that someone can shoot, first write the TK, Here write science Fiction in the TK Nobody can do it, not even the vaunted Firms. The quality should be sufficient for solving specific problems. Lack of technology What? Maybe NANO? What accuracy is needed? Is this increase in accuracy justified? IzhMash is not a small firm with a piece order and fabulous price of the product. I watched the commercial I heard from the manufacturer "We have barrels with tolerances of 0" And what is the increase in shooting accuracy at a specific distance? Yes, no one will tell you, because it will be within the measurement error. Well, and then you will be very upset if you learn how to make an "inexpensive" foreign-made rifle.
  32. andreirib
    -11
    22 January 2012 13: 28
    Dear Visitors You can argue a lot and insult each other. BUT this site is Russian, I’m not a Russian, I’ll tell you one thing, there is nothing interesting besides imported military equipment. You have nothing to really brag about. But to prove with foam at the mouth we are so smart and good, but the sign of dementia bothers us. No one bothers you except yourself. And you yourself know this. To argue more than not. Good luck.
    1. krot00f
      0
      27 May 2013 15: 01
      If you are a specialist in armaments, then your teachers are ashamed now. Well, at least there are professionals even in Belarus.)
  33. andreirib
    -1
    22 January 2012 15: 34
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taSHTfFozSI&feature=g-vrec&context=G24ec68eRVAAAA
    AAAABQ What about you?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5krg5x4BzJ0&feature=related А такое?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcF_dWvuq8&feature=related А такое?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eUqGOHHuu0&feature=related И такое!
    1. knight 77
      +2
      22 January 2012 16: 28
      look TTX weight of 15 kg is not a standard weapon, but a special
    2. guessed
      +3
      22 January 2012 16: 29
      YES no matter how ... 20mm .. this is more a gun than a rifle ... Pindos are known for their perversions ... and this is from the same opera ...

      According to the last link, SVD Dragunov is in the top 10 ..... The fact that she is in 10th place on the conscience of the compilers of the rating.
  34. SenyaYa
    +1
    22 January 2012 15: 46
    SVD steers a kid’s car
  35. andreirib
    0
    22 January 2012 16: 41
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn8ruUrVaCQ Посмотрите вот это вам понравиться немножко не по теме но очень интересно!
    1. knight 77
      +2
      22 January 2012 16: 54
      look AGS-30 no worse
      1. guessed
        +1
        22 January 2012 18: 40
        AGS is better. At least because it’s easier ... The chances of falling down and not getting an answer are much higher than with the Pindos bandura, which the two hardly drag.
        In addition, the Pindos grenade launcher is like a weapon of the future ... AGS-30 is a brutal reality.
  36. 0
    22 January 2012 16: 44
    Actually, the Steyr-Mannlicher SSG that 04, 08 can be bought in Okhotmag with permission ...
    the price for the first is $ 5000, for the second from 6 to 700 Euro (in Moscow), although in Europe the cost is 15, 000 times cheaper ...
  37. predator
    +3
    22 January 2012 17: 41
    "According to the future sniper, they thought they could choose for training any rifles equipped with good optics, long sighting range, and any uniforms. In this case, Austrian Mannliche rifles and British AWM-F rifles, as well as thermal underwear, would be ordered. allows you to sit in ambush for hours. However, in fact, it turned out that the cadets were given only one standard weapon. "
    WANTED, NAIVE! I WILL RECOGNIZE THE Native ARMY!
  38. +4
    22 January 2012 19: 29
    I just caught the eye of an article (as it turned out, it is not the only one on this topic). I decided to post it, it is very funny .-------------- "A new record in sniper shooting - 2477 m - set in Afghanistan, British sniper Craig Harrison, shooting two Taliban machine gunners.

    British sniper Craig Harrison set a new record in sniper shooting - 2477 m in Afghanistan, by shooting two Taliban machine gunners. He shot with a 115 mm L3A8.59 Long Range Rifle sniper rifle, which has a nominal firing range of about 1100 m. less corporal Harrison was able to destroy the machine gun crew at such a range that shot at his commander and a group of Afghan soldiers who patrolled in Helmand province.

    The sniper fired from a nearby car, he saw two machine gunners pass through the courtyard and opened fire on the soldiers and his commander's car and destroyed them with two shots. "The first shot hit the machine gunner in the stomach, when he fell, the second Taliban tried to raise the weapon, but got a bullet in the side, "- said the corporal. Conditions for shooting were perfect, calm weather, excellent visibility.

    Corporal Craig destroyed 12 Taliban and wounded seven, a bullet hit his helmet once already, some time ago he injured both hands with a roadside bomb, but after recovering he returned to Afghanistan. He is married, he has one child, he is from Cheltenham , Gloucestershire.

    The previous record, 2430 m, belonged to Canadian Robert Furlong and was also staged in Afghanistan. "----------- It looks like the corporal has a really serious head injury.))))))))))))))
    1. J_silver
      -1
      23 January 2012 18: 11
      Something in general seems like jokes, like one ordered the sniper to kill his wife and shoot her dignity to her lover, and he fulfilled the order and returned half the money, since it cost him one shot ...
  39. mega_jeka
    +1
    22 January 2012 20: 23
    I wonder if all these "new cadets of snipers" were to be taught on rifles piece for our army, then how they were going to fight with the main sniper rifles in service in the RA if you did not know the ballistics of this weapon and did not have experience in using it. They were probably taught exactly with what is in service with the RA. And snipers who conduct effective fire at long distances are just piece people. So they will be taught precisely on long-range large-caliber rifles.
    Both SVD and VSS are excellent rifles for their task. With SVD, the problem is mainly the lack of sniper cartridges of her caliber in the army. SVD combined arms sniper rifle to support infantry, and BCC special for diversionary actions. But new rifles, of course, need to be developed and it is precisely our gunsmiths who need to entrust this. And do not buy rifles from a potential enemy. We can make good weapons. you just need to give those. the task. Incidentally ... SV-98 piece go-on! ! ! Fully phoner. How can a sniper fight with her in the rain and in conditions of high humidity .....
  40. +1
    22 January 2012 20: 57
    Well, okay, from a machine gun, raising the barrel, you can fire from any distance ... The question is - with what result? "The sniper fired from the car" - and he had a rigid mount for ultra-long range weapons? "He saw 2 machine gunners passing through the courtyard" - and he saw - from two kilometers?
    The story becomes more believable if it is not meters, but feet.
    1. +4
      22 January 2012 21: 39
      Kazhetsa found the original, see for yourself http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/15624184. The aiming range of this rifle (L115A3 Long Range Rifle) is 1100 meters, and he hit the target with two shots in a row at a distance of more than two times the aiming range))),
      2.5 km from a 9 mm rifle is unrealistic. Impossible in principle. Lowering the trajectory of the bullet will be 3-4 meters. You can accidentally get there. Sighting- no. Patron .338 Lapua Magnum is used for army and police high-precision sniper rifles in several countries. The cartridge is used at a range of up to 1800 m. The cartridge can provide high firing accuracy - at a range of 1000 meters the technical accuracy of firing can reach 0,5 MOA. Targeted sniper fire cartridge .338 Lapua Magnum can be fired at a range of up to 1500 meters.
      I figured it out on a ballistic coil, at a distance of 2000 - the speed at the target is 214 m.s, energy - 370J, it seems to be enough, but the vertical correction, if the rifle is shot at 1000m - as much as 48m92cm, or 336 clicks - and this is 2 km, at the declared 2477m limit adjustment should not be enough for any sight I know. And in some articles - this corporal destroyed the machine gun itself with the third shot)))). "Gentlemen never lie !!!" )))
    2. 0
      April 11 2014 02: 00
      it's inches. and head injury. JOURNALIST !!!
  41. +1
    22 January 2012 21: 01
    3 km to the head while sitting on a tree?
    In my opinion this is from the realm of fiction ....
    1. mega_jeka
      +1
      22 January 2012 22: 42
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      3 km to the head while sitting on a tree?
      In my opinion this is from the realm of fiction ....

      Yeah .... it was a miracle tree ... it gave a miracle to the sight of a sniper .... a miracle corrected pizza and a miracle of accuracy .... IT IS SUCH .....
      The author clearly wrote this article under barbiturate))))
      1. 0
        23 January 2012 00: 03
        The author quoted “the president of the Institute for Strategic Assessments and Analysis, Alexander Konovalov.” In general, the country’s choice of sniper weapons (without a tender and comprehensive military tests), especially for the paratroopers.
  42. 0
    23 January 2012 04: 00
    Saruman + 1

    Quote: JIGIT
    The legendary and notorious Finnish sniper Simo Hyh, on whose account, according to various sources, 542 of the Red Army, worked without optics at all ..

    1. "Shooting", you cannot call it any other way (taking into account the training of Soviet troops and the chosen tactics of warfare), was carried out both from the Mosin rifle and the Suomi KP-31 submachine gun.

    2. He is not a Finn, but Karell, a hunting hunter. Take ours, any hunter-fishery, give him the hands of Mosin, put in the field, in 40 the frost frost battalion, or pass a marching column past him, and you will see the result.

    3. During the Finnish war, arrogant Soviet commanders faced an inexplicable and terrible phenomenon - cuckoo snipers. Their actions were unusually effective and recognized as a particularly effective sniper practice of all time. The combat trick of the Cuckoo snipers was incomprehensible by its non-standard, arrogance and cunning. The Finns were the first to indicate that there are no prohibited methods in sniper practice - Source - http://www.ooting-ua.com/force_shooting/practice_book_100.htm.
    I’ll add on my own behalf, for those who have not read the article - there are no prohibited tricks, this is shooting in the back, etc., and not on the defense line, but in the rear of the troops.

    Quote: Arkan
    The author quoted "Alexander Konovalov, President of the Institute for Strategic Assessments and Analysis."

    Private firm working and earning incl. and with the involvement of foreign political scientists, economists and experts!

    And, any tool is intended for its tasks - they throw the porridge into the pot with a scoop, and scoop it out of the pot with a spoon. So with sniper weapons!
  43. +1
    23 January 2012 04: 41
    Here is the Intervention rifle - CheyTac Long Range Rifle System

    CheyTac Intervention M100 .408 sniper rifle

    The CheyTac LRRS weapon system, which includes, in addition to the Intervention M200 rifle with an optical sight, also .408 CheyTac ammunition and a ballistic computer with sensors.


    TTX
    The .408 CheyTac cartridge (center) compared to the .50BMG cartridges (left) and .338Lapua (right).
    Caliber: .408 CheyTac
    Mechanism: manual reloading, longitudinally sliding rotary shutter
    Barrel: 762 mm
    Weight: 12,3 kg
    Length: 1400 mm (stock extended), 1220 mm (stock fully retracted)
    Store: 5 round detachable cartridges


    The CheyTac LRRS (Long Range Rifle System) long-range sniper weapon system was specially designed to defeat "soft targets" (soft targets, American ephemeism, meaning people - enemy soldiers, criminals, etc.), as opposed to hard targets - "solid goals", that is, material resources such as cars and other equipment).
    In this case, the main task was the creation of weapons. superior weapon caliber 12.7mm (.50) in capabilities, including accuracy at long ranges. For this, under the leadership of Dr. John Taylor (USA), the .408 CheyTac cartridge (nominal caliber 10mm) was developed. The new cartridge occupies an intermediate position in size and weight between the powerful .50Browning machine gun cartridge (12.7x99) and the popular .338 Lapua long-range sniper cartridge (8.6x76). At the same time, thanks to the special shape and design of the bullet, it has a very large ballistic coefficient and maintains supersonic speed at a distance of over 2000 meters. At the same time, at ranges of more than 700 meters, the energy of a .408 caliber bullet is higher than the energy of a .50 Browning bullet at the same range, despite the fact that the .408 cartridge is 30% lighter and creates less impact. According to CheyTac Associates, a manufacturer of .408 cartridges and weapons for them, the CheyTac LRRS system consisting of a CheyTac Intervention M200 rifle with a Nightforce NXS 5.5-22X optical sight, .408CheyTac cartridges, a proprietary ballistic computer (based on the PDA Casio Cassiopea M70) and connected Kestrel 4000 sensors for wind, temperature and atmospheric pressure provide effective shooting at a growth target at a range of 2000 meters, guaranteeing accuracy of less than 1 minute of a minute (1 MOA).
  44. Michael 9999
    +3
    23 January 2012 06: 39
    when shooting for three kilometers, the best anti-sniper complex is probably a tank gun which tasks can be performed by one shot at such a distance that a normal artillery gunner with binoculars could not solve and what a duel it is if it is counted by a calculator and by a growth target it seems more for contract killings or terrorism in peacetime in ideal conditions, and when conducting military operations, and even in the mountains, it is doubtful that these weapons will be effective
    1. +1
      23 January 2012 20: 42
      You are absolutely right, electronic gunners (described by PSih2097) first appeared in the United States in 2010, their cost is about $ 80. There is no information about their combat effectiveness yet, but judging by the fact that the Americans began to experiment with 000 mm. caliber, and with grenade launcher shots (the dispersal of grenade fragments compensates for the deviation from the aiming point and provides target designation for more powerful weapons), it can be assumed that these systems did not live up to expectations (at least in the fight against snipers). And without an electronic gunner, such distances are taken by a group of 20 people. directly the sniper and gunner with binoculars-rangefinder, the gunner estimates the range and calculates on the calculator, the sniper at this time puts in a special sighting bullet (its singularity is such that, having no penetrating effect, it flies just like a normal one, but leaves behind a perfectly visible smoke trail for the gunner). some sighting bullets explode at the moment of contact, which also helps the gunner. after firing a special bullet, the gunner looks through binoculars, sees where the bullet is flying and calculates corrections for the sniper who is nearby at that moment. loudly shouts amendments to the sniper, he quickly introduces them and the next bullet already hits the target. The time limit between the first and second shots for American snipers, for example, is 2 seconds. It means that the target does not have time to understand what happened during this time. all the more, a sighting shot is made overhead and an experienced gunner calculates according to the data on the range and speed of the bullet. It is incredibly difficult, and hitting in combat conditions at a distance of 3+ m can be regarded as an amazing skill of the gunner. An electronic gunner who analyzes everything himself and sees the trail of a sighting bullet himself is unlikely to be able to analyze all atmospheric fluctuations at such distances. 2000 bullets fired from the Long Range Rifle System at a distance of 10 km will be about 2.5 cm, the time of arrival of a bullet is about 60 seconds (it is not worth even trying to eliminate a terrorist hiding behind a hostage, or a disguised sniper). And an article about something else, Mannlicher P-3 is already about a year "run-in" in 04 SVDD (Ivanovo), the aiming range is almost the same as that of the SVD-S, the lethal range is more than a thousand meters. (a bolt is a bolt + a more powerful cartridge), it is very convenient in shooting, there is almost no recoil. But in a battle, "unit by unit" loses to the SVD in view of a low rate of fire (namely, this type of battle is the main one for the Airborne Forces), transports in a special case what causes problems during the landing and on the march, keeping it in combat readiness is still a crap. They have been experimenting with it for a year now, working out the tactics, the procedure for using it, the possibility of combining two rifles in solving different problems, since it was put into service. wonderful for the police or hunting - a fairy tale, but for the Airborne Forces - a question.
  45. 0
    23 January 2012 11: 31
    until Izhmashsh and others begin to update production and introduce new technologies of success, we will not succeed !!!!
    And it’s right that we buy imported rifles — if our blokes Nichrome do not want to do — they’re used to working correctly without competition and prices
    and abroad in Afghanistan, English snappers remove the Taliban at a distance of 3 km from L96, so that's about to set records

    that's what people say about our supposedly high-tech SV-98

    quote-Once again, our unit received the SV-98 rifles in 2011. The barrel of the rifle remained the same - from iron, that is, rusting. Most imported sniper rifles (Finnish, British, American) have stainless steel barrels.
    There is no algorithm for replacing the barrel at the factory. When the conversation came about replacing the trunks, representatives of the plant explained that it was not profitable for them to work with a small number of rifles. In order for them to take up this business, they need a large order. However, in the regional special forces unit of the Federal Security Service of Russia in the Krasnodar Territory there are not so many sniper rifles.
    And it’s impossible to send all available rifles to the factory at once to replace the barrels, because the special forces cannot remain without rifles for three whole months, and it takes so much time to re-shoot the SV-98. In this case, the work itself would take a maximum of a month, and the rest - bureaucratic procedures. Logistics specialists of the FSB of Russia calculated that it would be cheaper to write off a rifle, which, in theory, could only replace the barrel, and buy a new one from the factory than to replace the barrel.
    The box at SV-98 is still from aviation plywood, the factories for the production of which remained after the collapse of the USSR in the Baltic states. Because of this, the production of a rifle, as I understand it, can be suspended at any time.
    The problems with the shutter are not resolved. Of the five SV-98 rifles obtained last year by one of the FSB special forces units deployed in the North Caucasus region, two of the bolts failed.
    The factory still produces a rifle with the same unreliable bipod, and snipers, as before, change bipods to imported ones, making homemade fasteners for them.
    In the documents upon receipt of the SV-98 rifles there is a column “product cost”. It ranges from 192 to 291 thousand rubles.
    http://twower.livejournal.com/713292.html

    I repeat the only one who can compete is the MOSCOW GK Promtekhnologii with its ORSIS T5000
    1. J_silver
      -1
      23 January 2012 18: 22
      Do you work there, or what? Such a PR that just makes your teeth ...
    2. krot00f
      0
      27 May 2013 16: 07
      Why are you advertising so ORSIS.) Share?
  46. andreirib
    -5
    23 January 2012 21: 53
    Silver and the like. Because of stupid creatures like you, the country is your country is not mine and can do nothing good. Neither a passenger car nor a normal rifle. And all because you, like ostriches, do not want to see anything real in the ground. You can’t make normal production, but everyone boasts of something incomprehensibly. It’s better they’ve got down to business. Show off that there’s no sign of stupidity !!
    1. J_silver
      0
      23 January 2012 22: 29
      Where and what did I brag about? How did I manifest myself as an ostrich?
      You would, young man, wipe the sneakers and go to school, or something ...
    2. badger1974
      0
      14 January 2014 22: 54
      thermonuclear fist - this is what holds back strategically, but economically SVD, AK and PC, but any other enemy doesn’t have that, beretts in a single execution in w ... pu
  47. Hans grohman
    +1
    25 January 2012 18: 41
    Here: "However, in fact, it turned out that the cadets were given only one standard weapon."
    I would be very surprised if they were given some other weapon, and in general, why should I be surprised? They give out what is required by the OSH !!! Do not like it - walk in the forest. Some snotty cadets have now gone.
    And here: "A fighter with a Dragunov rifle has extremely low chances."
    So I want to ask - who said? The chances, among other things, FIRST depend on the fighter himself, AND ALREADY AFTER his weapon! A fighter without a weapon is a fighter! A weapon without a fighter is a useless piece of iron!
  48. Dezmond1989
    +1
    26 January 2012 11: 34
    SVD

    Weight 4,31 kg without scope and ammunition

    VSS "Vintorez"

    2,6 kg weight

    Barrett XM109

    weight (without cartridge) - 13,83

    Of course, in terms of combat characteristics, Barrat is superior to our models. But we must take into account that the Screws and Dragoons were not issued to solo snipers, but to snipers of detachments. And the detachment must be mobile, which allows the SVD and Vintorez, but the barret is, however, heavy for mobile operations
  49. +3
    29 January 2012 21: 16
    Quote: J_Silver
    "A new record in sniper shooting - 2477 m - was set in Afghanistan by British sniper Craig Harrison, who shot down two Taliban machine gunners

    A beginner sniper studies balistic, an experienced one studies the wind.My friend, an honored sniper of Russia, says that in the mountains at a distance of more than 1000m the chances of getting even from 50 caliber (in conditions of collision) are extremely low, because the air currents (wind) are uneven.
    At the expense of rifles, everyone has their own tasks. For a well-aimed shooter in a subunit, we need automatic, reliable rifles with a real sighting range of 700-800m.
  50. beech
    0
    4 February 2012 20: 16
    maybe for our army svd and screw cutter the most it? The militants with the Intervention - CheyTac Long Range Rifle System do not seem to run. Although the SVD is out of date, it’s, I am sure, more reliable and simpler than many Western rifles, and for our not very * advanced * soldiers, this is the most important thing
    1. guessed
      +1
      4 February 2012 21: 39
      Damn .. what do you mean "not very advanced"? That for firing from the m-24 you need to solve the integral equation? Nonsense ...
      Pindos invented and all settled this nonsense. SVD is one of the best battlefield sniper rifles. And this will remain for a long time.
      The problem with the bolts ... the last one in the arsenal of the Soviet / Russian army is a three-line. This is a different class of weapons and another application ... I can hardly imagine a fighter pulling the bolt in the thick of the battle, in smoke and dirt .... They will shoot very quickly.
  51. Comrade
    -2
    6 March 2012 17: 31
    SVD is outdated...of course we need to dig deeper into this topic, look for new ways...otherwise we created a "Kalashmat" and that's it...Vintorez is a great topic!!!

    But ours can and how!
  52. achtungminen
    0
    April 8 2012 16: 28
    Dear, comparing, as has been said many times above, SVD, VSS, Barret, VSS is not logical, and like the comparison “...Dad, what’s better than a machine gun or a tank...” (L. Podderevyansky), this is simply stupid . Regarding the VSS and Val complexes: they are purchased by US Special Forces units, whose weapons some present as a standard. The VSS in a combined arms unit is simply not needed, since it was developed specifically for the GRU Special Forces and Special Forces in general, they need ground forces with such characteristics as:
    Shot range 1000m.,
    Possibility of automatic fire,
    Extremely easy to maintain and use, inexpensive.
    The SVD no longer meets these requirements, this is true, because the solutions to the situation are as follows: buy imported samples or develop a new one.
    If the first then you will have to spend a. significant money for the purchase of so many ground forces and ammunition for them,
    b. time to develop manuals and master them among the troops, to train repairmen, purchase spare parts for them, c. impossibility of modification and modernization. These are the pies.
    1. badger1974
      0
      14 January 2014 23: 00
      what do you operate with? SA charters regarding the platoon? Judging by the flag, what will the platoon pull against, but no one has changed our charters since the time of the Warsaw Treaty, and what you are comparing with aviation, we regulate the composition of the squad, and if you have MANPADS, then you don’t have to.. ts will be
  53. 102
    102
    0
    10 June 2012 17: 32
    screw cutter is super