Projects of Japanese high-altitude fighter jets Ki-94 and Ki-94-II

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After the defeat in the battle at Midway Atoll, which occurred in June 1942 and cost Japan the loss of 4 heavy aircraft carriers, 248 aircraft and the best deck pilots aviation, the Japanese fleet in the Pacific lost the ability to operate outside the cover zones of its coastal aviation. The battle was a turning point in the Pacific theater of operations. In the future, the United States and its allies gradually occupied more and more islands, getting closer and closer to the borders of Japan itself.

The first raid on Japan was made by American strategic aviation on 18 on April 1942. In the future, the intensity and scale of the raids increased continuously. Over the past 7 months of World War II, Americans have focused on the bombing of Japanese cities with incendiary bombs. This led to significant destruction of Japanese cities 67, which at that time was dominated by wooden residential buildings. The raids caused the death of the 500 order of thousands of Japanese and sheltered approximately 5 of millions of people.





The most terrible raid on Tokyo was made on the night of 9 on 10 March 1945 of the year. The 334 US strategic bomber B-29 took part in the raid and dropped 1700 tons of bombs on the city. The fire destroyed about 40 square kilometers of the city square, more than 100 thousands of people died, they were victims of the fire tornado bombing. This air raid is considered the most devastating in stories using conventional weapons. Tokyo, which was made mostly of wood and paper, could not withstand thousands of incendiary bombs, and the Japanese methods of fighting fires showed their inefficiency.

To counter the strategic American bombers that destroyed cities and industry of the country, the Japanese Air Force needed high-altitude fighter-interceptors. Work on such aircraft began in the year 1942. Tachikawa offered two variants of high-speed and well-armed high-altitude fighter - the Ki-94 and the Ki-94-II, which could become a serious threat to the "flying fortresses". Work on them continued until the end of the Second World War, but none of them soared into the sky, the aircraft remained in history only as projects and prototypes.

Ki-94 solid wood layout


Preliminary talks on the development of a well-armed high-altitude fighter aircraft were held in Japan in the middle of 1942, with the army air headquarters (Koku Hombu) and Tachikawa Hikoki KK taking part. The military wanted to get a new high-altitude fighter, which would have developed a speed of about 800 km / h in flight, had a maximum range of 3000 kilometers and was distinguished by the presence of an airtight cabin. Since the requirements were initially quite tough, Koku Hombu decided to issue another order to create a simpler high-altitude fighter-interceptor. A plane with a less stringent requirements set should have been designed by the designers of the Nakajima company.

The plane, which was created by the designers of the company Tachikawa, received the designation Ki-94 (later named Ki-94-I), it already in those years stood out with a very unusual design and appearance. The interceptor fighter was a large double-girder monoplane that was equipped with two Mitsubishi Ha-18 Ru 211-cylinder radial air-cooled engines that developed the 2200 horsepower. The engines were installed in front and behind the cockpit, they set in motion two four-bladed propellers - pulling and pushing, respectively. The planned armament of the new fighter was very powerful and consisted of two 37-mm aviation guns Ho-203 and two 30-mm air guns Ho-105. The maximum speed of the aircraft at an altitude of 10 thousands of meters was supposed to be 780 km / h (forecast expectations).

Ki-94 solid wood layout


The Ki-94 full-size wooden model of the aircraft was ready at the end of 1943, however, the development of the high-altitude fighter was curtailed, as the technical department of the air headquarters decided that the project was still very difficult to develop and manufacture, and the design characteristics of the aircraft seemed to be overly optimistic . The preference was given to the simpler high-altitude fighter Nakajima Ki-87. At the same time, the Japanese Air Force Main Command was still interested in continuing work on this design topic. Tachikawa was ordered a new version of the high-altitude fighter, which received the designation Ki-94-II.

The Ki-94-II has been built since the end of 1943. The main purpose of the new fighter-interceptor was to be the fight against the raids of high-altitude bombers of the US Air Force. To do this, the plane, like its predecessor, was planned to be equipped with a pressurized cabin, a powerful turbocharged engine and large-caliber aircraft guns, which were to cope with such a tenacious air target, which was a B-29 bomber. The initial order of the Japanese military included one glider for conducting static tests, the 3 prototype, and the 18 pre-production samples of the Ki-94-II high-altitude fighter, but by the end of World War II only one aircraft was ready that did not even have its first flight scheduled for 18 August 1945 of the year.

Projects of Japanese high-altitude fighter jets Ki-94 and Ki-94-II


While working on the Ki-94-II aircraft, the Tachikawa company proceeded from a new application that assumed to meet the same flight-technical requirements as that of the rival aircraft Nakajima Ki-87. The project of the new high-altitude fighter Ki-94-II was developed under the leadership of the chief designer Tatsuo Hasegawa. The new aircraft was a single-engine single-engine high-altitude fighter, this time with an ordinary design with a laminar wing and a pressurized cabin, which was located behind the rear edge of the wing.

It was planned to equip the new fighter with a powerful cooled fan with a turbo-compressor 18-cylinder radial engine from Nakajima - Ha-44-12, developing 2400 hp power. The engine power that set in motion the fighter's six-blade propeller was 2450 HP. on take-off, 2350 hp - at a height of 1100 meters, 2200 hp - at a height of 4400 meters and 2040 hp - at a height of 11 000 meters. Armament placed in the wing of the aircraft should have included two 30-mm automatic aircraft guns Ho-105 and two 20-mm aircraft guns Ho-5. From the characteristics of a heavily armed aircraft it can be seen that it was optimized for high-altitude interception of US strategic bombers B-29.

The first prototype of the Ki-94-II during construction


The first Ki-94-II high-altitude fighter was supposed to be ready on July 20 of the year 1945, but the construction of the aircraft was delayed. As a result, he was ready with a two-week lag from the scheduled schedule. The six-blade propeller planned for the aircraft was never ready, so it was decided to equip the aircraft and begin testing the first prototype with a four-bladed propeller temporarily mounted on it. The trials were scheduled to begin on August 18 1945. The second prototype of the Ki-94-II fighter-interceptor, designed to install a six-blade propeller, while the first aircraft was still preparing for the intended first flight, was only in production, but the end of World War II prevented its completion. Further development of the project of the Japanese high-altitude fighter was to be the plane Ki-104, which remained only in the form of paper drawings.

The only built prototype fighter Ki-94-II attracted the attention of Americans. They took the plane to the United States at Middliton Air Base, where the car received the temporary designation FE-150. In 1949, this aircraft was transferred to one of the country's aviation museums, but then its trail is lost. What happened next with the only built fighter Ki-94-II is unknown.

Information sources:
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/ki94.html
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/ki94-2.html
http://alternathistory.com/vysotnyi-istrebitel-94-tachikawa-ki-94yaponiya
http://wiki.wargaming.net/ru/Plane:Ki-94-ii
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  1. +3
    31 October 2016 17: 02
    Yes, if the Japanese had brought this car to a series, it would certainly have made it difficult for the "Super Fortresses" to operate, maybe they could even have been able to shoot down those aircraft that carried atomic charges. But they would still not have saved Japan from defeat.
    And so, a beautiful airplane with VERY serious weapons.
    1. +5
      31 October 2016 19: 40
      Yeah.
      The Americans dropped atomic charges only in order to take the laurels of victory over Japan from the USSR. After all, in 2-3 months the Soviet Army would have stormed Tokyo ...

      With interest I read articles about old technology in VO!
      1. +3
        31 October 2016 20: 25
        Maybe I did not understand the meaning of your comment. therefore I will answer as I interpreted.
        Well, they dumped, you want to say that the Japanese were afraid and surrendered?
        How can you frighten the people who had the slogan, "one hundred million will die as one." whose soldiers went to the Banzai attacks, kamikaze, kaitens. Wives who killed themselves and children, so that the husband could go to fulfill his duty, and so on and so forth.
        I always read with astonishment from Western historians, and not only them, who wrote about the Japanese despising death, and then wrote that they were afraid of a nuclear bomb. We now know about the consequences of a nuclear bomb, an explosion, and then people had a weak idea about it.
        In one I agree with you. if Japan had not surrendered, then Soviet troops would have landed on the Japanese islands.
        1. +2
          31 October 2016 22: 22
          Well, I don’t know ... They wouldn’t land anywhere: firstly, Stalin fulfilled his promise to Roosevelt by assisting in the defeat of the Kwantung Army — which was essentially an army of puppet Manchuria, secondly, there would not be enough forces to keep occupied territories in Europe, yes and still conduct a ground operation in Japan, which would fight to the last kamikaze on its territory.
        2. +1
          6 November 2016 14: 31
          How can you frighten the people who had the slogan, "one hundred million will die as one." whose soldiers went to the Banzai attacks, kamikaze, kaitens. Wives who killed themselves and children, so that the husband could go to fulfill his duty, and so on and so forth.

          It would be very easy to scare. They would have knocked out 2/3 of the population with bombing (100 for each bombing) in a year and would have managed. The rest would still be scared. However, they were already frightened in the 45th, they immediately understood how the matter could end.
          This is exactly how the war with the highlanders in the Caucasus ended
          and then they wrote that they were afraid of a nuclear bomb. We now know about the consequences of a nuclear bomb, an explosion,

          Already then it was known about the harmful effects of radiation, and they could have done without A-bombs. Bombed and so.
          By the way, how many ministers, generals, officers made hara-kiri. Threw scimitars and drowned in captivity.
        3. +1
          6 February 2017 13: 13
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          who had the slogan, "one hundred million will die as one." whose soldiers went to the attack banzai, kamikaze, kaiten. Wives who killed themselves and children so that the husband could go to fulfill his duty, and so on and so forth.



          There were one or two percent.
          The myth of "went to a banzai attack, kamikaze, kaiten" was inflated by the Americans, trying to justify their own stomping on the spot - the seizure of an island once every six months - is this really a war?
          There are very interesting articles on the network - to find not for long, videos on YouTube too - how the Americans heroically captured an island in the Pacific Ocean, which had been abandoned by the Japanese a week ago, and at the same time managed to destroy a couple of their own battalions.

          And do not forget that the Japanese soldiers in Manchuria, for example, surrendered in whole units. Yes, and on the islands of the Kuril ridge, resistance was so-so - the Japanese could not oppose ANYTHING against the most experienced Soviet Army.
      2. +4
        31 October 2016 22: 19
        Well, well, you give a damn ... By using the atomic bomb, the Americans killed many birds with one stone, and Japan still shuganuli, and the USSR showed that they have, and just tested new weapons.
      3. 0
        6 November 2016 13: 16
        After all, in 2-3 months the Soviet Army would have stormed Tokyo ...

        Tokyo is on an island. The fleet of the USSR in the Far East was in its infancy and we would not be able to carry out a large-scale landing operation
      4. 0
        10 December 2016 18: 59
        in 2-3 months the Soviet Army would have stormed Tokyo ...
        Underwater horsemen of Budyonny and Buryat armored divisions?
    2. +5
      31 October 2016 20: 08
      to complicate the actions of the B-29, only fighters of type me 262 could, indirect evidence of this. the fact that the Americans did not use 29 over Germany and in Korea 29 landed only jet twigs.
      A piston fighter. all the more so those who were just on paper could not play a role. Also, one must not forget that the bombers flew in the company of escort fighters. (so a bold attack on the forehead also may not be missed).
      And another important detail, where to get the pilots, and high-altitude combat is clearly not newcomers, and there are problems with fuel, and with many others too.
      re-read, Saburo Sakai, and so there it is all described.

      I am glad that the article corresponds to the theme of the site, sad lack of comments, although the topic is very interesting. I understand, it’s much more interesting to discuss (exaggerated) the problems of accountants on a military site. or condoms in kindergarten.
      according to my observations, articles such as this one are many times less likely to comment than so-called analytical or opinions. but to read them (comments) even having a different point of view is more interesting.
      1. +4
        31 October 2016 22: 26
        And here is nifiga. Not only me 262, which incidentally had a short flight time. And about fuel for heights on the pistons, the Japanese generally had tight gasoline. And the fact that in Japan we fought with 29 men was just the time for the reactants .And by the way, the reason for switching to jet engines was that the progeny ones reached the ceiling of SPEED, not HEIGHT.
        ps and yet, Saburo Sakai can be respected for fighting in a losing situation (the defeat of Japan was a matter of time), but it is by no means the ultimate truth.
        1. +3
          31 October 2016 22: 53
          Is it serious about ceiling and speed? Could you name a piston aircraft that reaches the ceiling of a jet? And why weren't 29 used in Europe?
          Is it also serious about short flight time? And how much is needed? Like a long-range fighter?
          About how shuganuli Japan, Read about the Japanese, what I wrote, about "one hundred million will die as one." And what the meeting with the emperor, which took place on September 7, was devoted to. There was no bomb there. But there was about joining the war in the USSR.
          What boiba could do did not know, the bombing of Tokyo by ordinary bobmabies was much worse.
          About to keep the territory of Europe, but actually the USSR freed them, and its popularity was not on the bayonet. And popular support, communist parties.
          1. +2
            1 November 2016 07: 48
            Quote: Kostya Andreev
            Is it serious about ceiling and speed?

            The conversation is not about the maximum flight altitude of a jet and piston aircraft, but about whether pro-pistons could interfere with the B-29 piston too. The answer could but naturally not in the number of piece copies. About the absence of the B-29 in Europe, in the first they were not originally planned to be used there in the second, the combat use of the B-29 did not begin until June 44, when it was already crowded in the sky over Europe.
            But do not you think that you are a contradiction to yourself. What the USSR’s entry into the war was worse than the bomb for the people with the slogan
            Quote: Kostya Andreev
            one hundred million will die as one

            The main reason for entering the USSR war was one, the division of trophies (territorial issue). Stalin could not enter the war and there were many reasons.
            1. Stalin could not fulfill the promise to Roosevelt because of the death of the first, and relations with Truman were strained from the very beginning.
            2. The question of Japan's surrender was resolved without us: the fleet was destroyed by Japan in the US naval blockade, so the Kwantung army and other military groups of the Japanese were blocked from the metropolis, the supply of resources and, most importantly, the fuel from the mainland were blocked, the islands' economy was destroyed in -29mi. In such a situation, even the amers did not have to land in Japan, just a few months to iron it with bombs.
            And by the way, nuclear strikes in this situation created additional pressure on the Japanese government, and no one knew how many the United States had. And for the complete destruction of the Japanese economy, 4 plus bombs on Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya, and Yokohama were also needed. And everything can be restored shogunate. hi
            3. Any war is a waste of resources, which in the USSR were already not thick, Stalin could simply transfer troops to the Far Eastern Military District, issue an ultimatum to Japan on the transfer of the Kuriles and Sakhalin, and in case of refusal to start the operation only there, and not in Manzhuria. But then the "national liberation" factor and the desire to communize China and Korea emerged.
            Then I see you overwhelmed with emotions and speech became slurred. wassat
            1. +1
              2 November 2016 00: 53
              Quote: rasteer
              Any war is a waste of resources, which in the USSR were already not thick, Stalin could simply transfer troops to the Far East Military District, issue an ultimatum to Japan on the transfer of the Kuriles and Sakhalin, and in case of refusal to start an operation only there, and not in Manzhuria. But then the "national liberation" factor and the desire to communize China and Korea emerged.

              Are you serious? Do you know what the UR system was like on the Soviet-Manchurian border? And are you sure that the Japanese would go to the transfer of the islands? So I’ll answer you. If the USSR had not entered the war with Japan, had not taken Manchukuo, we would have had a powerful enemy on the borders of the USSR: the USA. Korea, Manchukuo and the remnants of the Kwantung Army would have been completely under American protectorate. The Kwantung Army, along with the Kuomintang, would quickly put things in order in China. Only the transfer of huge reserves of military equipment to Mao Zedong allowed the Communists to defeat in China. And then thanks to "Well, very clever policy of NS Khrushchev, we got hold of a powerful enemy in the Far East and in the late 60s and early 70s we were one step away from the war with the PRC.
              1. 0
                2 November 2016 07: 18
                Well, how did you refute me?
                I did not argue that the Japanese would go on transferring the islands, but the option was possible from the point of view of the country cornered minus one enemy due to non-significant losses. Forgive the Kuril Islands, especially the northern ones are of low economic importance, but it was necessary to spend on their defense. Well, what’s the rest of your text? How does he contradict this?
                But then the "national liberation" factor and the desire to communize China and Korea emerged.

                Apparently the fact that you deployed my short sentence to the wall of the text.
                1. 0
                  2 November 2016 07: 54
                  Quote: rasteer
                  Apparently the fact that you deployed my short sentence to the wall of the text.

                  You have not understood, or I have not understood you. The Kwantung army planned to sit out in Manzhou-Guo and go to an agreement with the Americans, and then the "national liberation factor" would have crawled out into the second Khasan and Khalkhin Gol., Only in the Japanese-American version.
                  1. +1
                    2 November 2016 08: 15
                    The defeat of the Kwantung Army was necessary for the speedy communization of China and Korea, which increased the security of the Far East. The national liberation movement of Southeast Asia was the result of this defeat, by the way I’m not sure that it was calculated, probably no one expected it. In general, all three points were not written to argue about the correctness or incorrectness of the entry of the USSR into the war. And to the fact that if not for other factors, then the entry of the USSR into the war for the sake of defeating Japan was not mandatory. The United States coped with this task with the help of the B-29s.
                    1. 0
                      2 November 2016 08: 32
                      Quote: rasteer
                      The defeat of the Kwantung Army was necessary for the speedy communization of China and Korea, which increased the security of the Far East. The national liberation movement of Southeast Asia was the result of this defeat, by the way I’m not sure that it was calculated, probably no one expected it.

                      Here, I agree with you on one thing, that no one expected a mass national liberation movement. But you know that the Japanese military and zaidatsu had a plan to evacuate Emperor Hirohito and his family precisely to Manchuria and Japan did not intend to abandon the territories of Manchuria and Korea.
                      1. 0
                        2 November 2016 08: 53
                        There was a plan and even if it succeeded, it would not change anything for Japan in the end, even with our non-intervention. The goal of the United States was to turn Japan into its puppet, and for this it was necessary to break their spirit. Why do you still need the emperor to renounce his "divine essence", who would care if it were not for the self-consciousness of the Japanese as an exclusive divine nation.
                        That’s why I’m talking to us or without us, the United States would have finished off the Japanese themselves.
                        For the USSR, this war was needed for two reasons.
                        1. Territorial Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.
                        2. Ensuring the security of borders with China and Korea.
                    2. 0
                      6 November 2016 13: 33
                      The national liberation movement of Southeast Asia was the result of this defeat, by the way I’m not sure that it was calculated, probably no one expected it.

                      As it is not expected. But what about the red army of Mao and the communist regions of China. The Soviet Union gave Mao weapons of the Kwantung Army and away we go ....
                      Korean Kim was generally captain of the Red Army.
                      As for Japan, Stalin wanted a zone of occupation there. But the Americans sharply opposed.
                      No one expected. Ha.
                      1. 0
                        6 November 2016 19: 27
                        we talked about the sudden rise in Southeast Asia (Vietnam, the Philippines and other countries), and not China.
                        The occupation of Japan did not shine for us as if Stalin did not want to. he understood this because he did not particularly insist.
              2. 0
                6 November 2016 14: 24
                If the USSR didn’t enter the war with Japan, didn’t capture Manzhou-Go, we would have a powerful enemy on the borders of the USSR: the USA. Korea, Manzhou-Guo and the remnants of the Kwantung Army

                This aspect should not be considered at all, since having received its sphere of influence in Europe, the USSR wanted to have the same sphere in Asia. After the defeat of Hitler, the Red Army's entry into China was predetermined.
                1. 0
                  6 November 2016 19: 33
                  By no means, were there no Japanese, we would hardly have climbed into China, such a situation could only be possible to compensate for the direct aggression of the United States or England. As happened later in Korea, and even then we minimized our presence there.
              3. 0
                10 December 2016 19: 10
                You argue in vain. Victory must be earned throughout the war-to suffer.
                And to have the strength to dictate the conditions for the end of the war (which Nikolay17 would not have in 18 or 2)
                "Shoemakers" well remembered the saying --- Take the burden on the shoulder.
                And whoever does not take according to his forces, he will give his trophies to an ally (according to his strength and arrogance)
                And after the war, one must have the strength and determination to continue to LIVE. rather than rest on our laurels
            2. +1
              6 November 2016 14: 26
              The answer could but naturally not in the number of piece copies.
              Then they had to be made in an amount equal to the number of Mustangs and Spitfires, but this was just impossible.
      2. +3
        31 October 2016 22: 50
        The use of the B-29 in the European theater was not planned due to their excessive range for this theater, as well as a sufficient number of B-17 and B-24. So it does not smell directly or indirectly here.
        I didn’t catch the connection between the forehead attack and escort fighters) Moreover, the B-29 was originally designed for operations in the absence of an escort.
        The height of the B-29 did not require special training for Japanese pilots. All that was needed were fighters capable of fully functioning at a given height and the corresponding equipment on them. Not to be confused with aircraft carrier pilots.
        Fuel problems are equivalent for both piston and jet aircraft - also by.
        The Me-262 was not originally planned as a fighter-interceptor, the Germans created other aircraft for these purposes, including piston (for example, Ta-152 and Do-335). The use of the Me-262 as an interceptor was rather a necessary measure.
        The only thing I agree with
        Quote: Kostya Andrei
        A piston fighter. all the more so those who were just on paper could not play a role.

        The Japanese had enough acceptable interceptors in service. But the characteristics of paper planes are rather the fantasies of Americans who worked with archives. Well, testing some prototypes without weapons and parts of equipment.
        1. 0
          31 October 2016 23: 46
          On b 29, decreasing the range can increase the load, look tth, it was not used because it was very expensive and it was not advisable to lose it in large quantities. The drives and sights of the rifle points were not designed for the speed of a jet plane, especially since the arms of the mass made it possible to shoot b from a safe distance. all of this was proved in Korea in moments that were inferior to the swallow in a mass of volley. but were effective against b.
          you should not be misled by the fact that it was called a super fortress, just like a simple fortress it was intended to act without cover, but the Germans very quickly proved that you can’t do this even if you have a lot of machine guns. A little later, the Americans also came to the conclusion that planes should not be allowed to fly without cover, and for this they captured the Sayipan skeleton, and fighters could accompany the fortresses from there.
          About fighters and an attack on the forehead, this interception tactic.
          A large interception height requires good pilot training. For example, in the USSR during the defense of Moscow it was testers at a glance, a regiment of suprun.
          Argues about the swallow I will not know better. Only the ones you listed before appeared later and the swallow was in the series.
          Enough acceptable interceptors, as I understand it, this couple of hundreds and raid well, and even the little things. For which there was not enough gasoline.
          1. +1
            1 November 2016 08: 04
            Quote: Kostya Andreev
            A little later, the Americans also came to the conclusion that planes should not be allowed to fly without cover, and for this they captured the Sayipan skeleton,

            They flew from Saipan in-29 without cover and the main defense was precisely an altitude of 8-9 km, and not many, many machine guns, and this was a weakness of the accuracy of the bombing was low and only after capturing in December 44 Iwo Jima they began to fly with the cover of mustangs and working with 5-6 km, the result was the total destruction of the Japanese economy.
            Well, by April 45, about 700 pieces of V-29 were working in Japan. Against such an armada, under the guise of fighters, the Japanese had no countermeasures.
            1. 0
              1 November 2016 22: 29
              Thanks for the amendment mixed up,
              and as for your first comment, don’t tell me what I didn’t say
          2. 0
            6 November 2016 14: 17
            A little later, the Americans came to this, that you can’t let planes go without cover,

            It was a common practice. In the memoirs of Soviet pilots, for example, one can often see a description of Luftwaffe bombing squadrons marching without cover.
            The Americans used dense formations of bombers that made it possible to conduct joint defensive fire from many hundreds of heavy machine guns.
          3. 0
            7 December 2016 21: 39
            I pointed out inaccuracies to you, but for some reason you began to chew on me what I already know. Let's talk about specifically written by you, and not creep to the side.
            If I wrote "was originally created for actions without an escort" - then this is how this idea should be understood. And not to dilute the water about what the war and reality have shown, plus weave Korea here too. Any theory breaks down on practice, and this rule has not yet been canceled.
            The Suprun Regiment was not originally used in the defense of Moscow - read the memoirs. And when the testers were specifically knocked down (practice is practice), the remaining were transferred to air defense. I repeat once again - the high interception altitude of those times did not require special training - it required good equipment and just good pilot training, but not at all special. Do not confuse with aircraft carriers and nightlights.
            Well, there wasn’t enough fuel for everyone, that for piston workers, that for reactivists.
        2. 0
          6 November 2016 13: 54
          The Me-262 was not originally planned as a fighter-interceptor, the Germans created other aircraft for these purposes, including piston (for example, Ta-152 and Do-335). The use of the Me-262 as an interceptor was rather a necessary measure.

          It is rather not a forced measure, but a new technological level. The superiority of the Allies in fighters was manifold. And no "Dora" could save the situation. Hitler focused the industry precisely on the creation of interceptors to combat raids on German territory. The allies literally overwhelmed the Luftwaffe with a mass. Here the situation could only be corrected by an aircraft with characteristics significantly exceeding the Allied aircraft, that is, a jet aircraft. Me 262, Not 163 .... but there was no time.
          1. 0
            7 December 2016 21: 41
            The Me-262 as an interceptor is precisely a necessary measure. Because it was originally created for other purposes. For jet interceptors, completely different planes were planned.
      3. 0
        6 November 2016 13: 25
        complicate the action of the b-29, could only fighters type me 262

        Me 262 was made 1200 pieces of which 300 vehicles were transferred to the troops. This is a critically small number. Jet cars crashed on takeoff or landing, allies patrolled airfields.
        [/ quote] 5
        [quote] indirect evidence of this. the fact that the Americans did not use 29 over Germany

        This is not the case. At 29, they had a large range, this was a decisive factor in the war in the Pacific Ocean. Lancaster and B-17 dealt in Europe, using in particular the base in Poltava
        according to my observations, articles such as this one are many times less likely to comment than so-called analytical or opinions.

        Well, we'll see it again
  2. +1
    2 November 2016 09: 05
    rasteer,
    Quote: rasteer
    There was a plan and even if it succeeded, it would not change anything for Japan in the end, even with our non-intervention. The goal of the United States was to turn Japan into its puppet, and for this it was necessary to break their spirit. Why do you still need the emperor to renounce his "divine essence", who would care if it were not for the self-consciousness of the Japanese as an exclusive divine nation.
    That’s why I’m talking to us or without us, the United States would have finished off the Japanese themselves.
    For the USSR, this war was needed for two reasons.
    1. Territorial Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.
    2. Ensuring the security of borders with China and Korea.

    At the end, we came to a general conclusion, but the first I still put the second, because I myself live on the border with China. Two of my uncles died in the 1930s on the Amur, they were rivermen and died during the provocative shelling of our ships.
  3. 0
    7 December 2016 21: 44
    Quote: rasteer

    That’s why I’m talking to us or without us, the United States would have finished off the Japanese themselves.


    One question remains - at what cost and for how long. Read the forecasts of the American headquarters on this subject. Perhaps their conclusions will surprise you)
    1. 0
      10 December 2016 19: 23
      anyone considers the price. who gets involved in a fight
      And he shares the fruits of Victory, who soberly calculates the mat. cost and / + that "spirit" "resilience" "sacrifice"
      Control over Yap is one thing, and the timing of victory and price in Europe is another. For Europe (the division of the world in Yalta) and received the obligation to fight in the East
      1. 0
        11 December 2016 11: 44
        About obligations is nonsense. If Stalin had not had a desire to solve certain "sore problems" of the Far East, no one would have gotten involved. And so the desire coincided with the need for some political action. And about the price - the question was at what cost the Americans would have forced Japan to peace without the participation of the USSR. And it was the staff calculations of the Americans themselves that I advised to read. Everything there is very sad for the Americans.
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          11 December 2016 11: 49
          Voluntary !!!!! undertook an obligation + to resolve the issue of territories (?) in the Far East
          but the main thing is the center and east Europe. + aid came to China (we looked at the relationship of the USA with China)
          The Comintern prompted?
          rigidly according to ideological dogmas? or were there people with knowledge of Chinese and Korean?
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            13 December 2016 02: 00
            Is it possible in Russian? )) I do not answer Albanian ...