Test drive tank "Panther"

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“Hush, hush, come on!” - the museum staff is commanding, although we are crawling like a turtle. The tank is not designed to ride on asphalt - on the ground is much more comfortable.

In 1942-1945, the Germans manufactured almost 6000 tanks PzKpfw V, better known as the Panther. But only twenty-nine vehicles have survived to this day, and according to official data, only one such tank is stored on the territory of Russia. The editors of Popular Mechanics had a chance to ride on it.



On the one hand, it is strange: the Soviet Union got several hundred captured “Panthers” - both directly during the war and after it ended. The first PzKpfw V was used by the Red Army in the fall of the year 1943 at the Kursk Bulge (in the 59-th separate tank regiment). But in the operation of the captured car were both pros and cons. The advantages of the tank consisted in magnificent armament: the German 75-mm cannon KwK 42 made it possible to hit targets at much greater distances than any Soviet weapon of the same class could. In this regard, the German beast was planned to be used as a tank destroyer.
An official document was even issued - “A Quick Guide to Using a TV Captured Tank (“ Panther ”)". ”But life made its own corrections. The Panther was too difficult to operate and inconvenient to repair - there was a catastrophic lack of spare parts was at all), moreover, the tank demanded much higher quality fuel than Soviet cars. Therefore, the captured Panthers did not receive widespread use and were used only sporadically (unlike its predecessors Pz. III and Pz. IV). In principle, similar remnants "Panther" and noted German tankers: tank was damp, nedovedennym to the ideal, and the percentage of technical failures among Pz.V was higher than that of other German cars.


Camouflage "Panther" gives it one of the tanks 5-th Panzer Division SS "Viking",
but this is a fantasy of restorers: in Soviet times, all captured tanks were repainted in green.


And after the war, the “Panthers” were completely unnecessary in the Union. They were used in different ways. Basically - to shoot targets during exercises and tests at the sites. Others just went to the smelter. As a result, only one such tank remained, which immediately after the war was deliberately transferred to the Museum of military vehicles (now the Central Museum of Armored Weapons and Equipment in Kubinka). There, in peace and well-being, PzKpfw V Ausf. G and got to our days - oddly enough, this is what made the car really unique.

All native
As already mentioned, the Panther 29 has been preserved in the world, of which 12 is a modification of G. It is such a machine that is kept in Kubinka. Most of all tanks in France - as many as seven pieces, six each survived in the United States and Great Britain.


Zimmeritaya coating of the sides - the original, from military times. Zimmerite was designed to protect against magnetic mines.
In the autumn of 1944, they refused from such a coating, which also helps in the dating of "Panther". When the tank is in the stowed position, a special clamp holds the gun in a horizontal position. The chassis of the “Panther” designed by Heinrich Ernst Knipkamp, ​​thanks to the chess order of the rollers, allowed the tank to move very smoothly and evenly distribute the load on the ground. On the other hand, the complexity of the design caused many problems in the repair.


The problem is that story this particular "Panther" is unknown, and it is almost impossible to track it. Specialists from Kubinka are investigating, but so far only the obvious facts are clear: this is one of the 300 trophy machines inherited by the USSR, and it was made no earlier than March of the 1944 of the year (that month, the G version went into series) and not in 1945 ( because on the later machines G the shape of the mask of the instrument was changed).

In principle, it would be possible to determine the ownership of a car by its camouflage: the Germans had a great variety of camouflage, to the extent that the question of painting was decided by the unit commander, there was no single standard for this. But all captured cars ruthlessly repainted in green - so the original camouflage was not preserved. Today the Panther is painted in the colors of the Viking SS 5 Panzer Division (more precisely, in one of the types of camouflage of this division), but this is more of a fantasy of restorers than a historically accurate reconstruction.

This is where the uniqueness lies. Actually, except for coloring, everything in the tank is native. In general, everything is on 99% (except perhaps the worn piston rings and some other “consumable” parts). Native gearbox, Maybach HL 230P45 engine, controls, magneto, instruments - even the original ignition key, even the leather on the seats and the native tsimmeritovoy coating (armor plaster). Most of the foreign copies have been restored more modernly - the power units, tracks, elements of the internal space have been replaced. “Panther” from Kubinka allows you to accurately imagine what the tank looked like then.



Generally, if not for the demilitarization required for the museum exhibit, the tank could have fought even tomorrow. He is not just on the go - he is ready for action. The engine and the cooling system work, nothing leaks. Of course, there is a certain metal fatigue - after all, the Panther has been almost 70 years old. But good storage conditions and very high-quality restoration did their job - as if the tank had just come off the assembly line.

Works and concerns

The restoration of "Panther" had two main stages. The first is in 1990-x, when for half a century the car was “laid up”, it was snapped up and put on the move. The archive of the museum contains pictures of the restoration - a tank, disassembled as a children's designer. Even then, the experts reacted to the technique with due respect: nothing was thrown away, every detail was carefully brought into perfect condition and returned to its rightful place.



But as time went on, several years ago, during the transformation of the museum, it was decided to bring the tank, which seemed to be officially on the move, to mind. Immediately discovered the pitfalls. “Panther” started up, but water began to get into the lubrication system, that is, there were cracks in the oil line or gaskets dispersed, but in any case it became clear that the engine needs major repairs.

In the museum itself, there was no equipment — after all, we need machine tools and high-precision tools, plus at least a test stand, and Maybach went to the ZIL, where he was taken apart - just like a tank a decade ago. Worn out parts that are not subject to restoration were replaced, all cleaned up, put in excellent condition and drove off on a test bench - the Germans in 1944 would not have done better. In parallel with the repair of the engine in Kubinka, the restoration of the tank was going on - the mistakes made by the masters in 1990-x were corrected, some elements were added, the broken tracks were replaced with the original ones found by search engines at the battlefields and preserved in almost perfect condition.



In May 2013, the car was finished. I must say that initially the idea was to make a perfect, “picture” museum piece, as for a textbook on the operation of the tank. That is, to hang the entire entrenching tool (there are enough original German shovels and picks in the vaults), spare tracks for special hooks, make and place inside a large-scale copy of the projectile and arrange the tank in the colors and signs of the SS Leibstandard SS Adolf Hitler.

But this idea had to be abandoned for an amazing reason - the tank turned out to be so in demand that it was simply impossible to pull on with the end of the restoration. He was required at the “Battlefield” festival, and at other military shows - of course, the only Panther in the country, and even on the move. And they didn’t hang up the entrenching tools, because in that case the tank would have to be placed behind the fence at a considerable distance from museum visitors. You never know who needs a sapper blade - you will not follow. But even without an additional link, the Panther inspires respect.

Personal experience

When “crawling” on the tank, you climb inside, touch the controls, the sensations are completely different than when you simply look at old photos. Inside it is very simple - despite the common legends about air conditioning and the incredible comfort offered to German tank crews. Austere, very tightly arranged, quite uncomfortable inside the fighting machine. The only concession is horse seats and soft leather seats trimmed with natural leather (by the way, the Thirty-Fours sometimes left the factories without seats, the tankers put rolled-up padded jackets under them).



But otherwise - a car for a fight, not for rest. It affects the build quality. It is German - exactly in the sense that we put in this word today, that is, the ideal: the chamfers are smoothed, the corners are flat, the mounting accuracy is amazing. At the same time, the heating of the thermosyphon heater to start the engine in winter was carried out with the help of a blowtorch, which looks pretty wild in terms of the overall design and technological effectiveness. However, the more advanced "Tigers" were the same.


Preserved Panthers: AUSF. D (number - 2)
Netherlands: tank monument in Breda Switzerland: Panzermuseum Thun in Thun


Outside the tank is interesting with a huge number of some fasteners, parts, the purpose of most of which at first glance is completely unclear. Well, here a shovel was clearly attached, here was a spare track for the caterpillar, and what is this? The thing is that when the tank was at the disposal of the crew, tankers almost always upgraded it at their own discretion. Fasteners were welded outside, for example, for helmets, various tools that are not included in the original ammunition, sometimes even boxes for overcoats or personal belongings, “trunk”. Therefore, if you put five “Panthers” next to each other, there are hardly any two alike.

When you get into a tank for the first time, you are afraid to step on an element for the first five minutes, you are afraid to touch something inside: it’s a museum piece, it’s 70 years old, you need to be very careful with it ... Only then comes the realization: it’s a tank. He also withstands a projectile hit. What harm can your sneakers do to him? Then, when you realize that this is a powerful combat vehicle, and not an exhibit behind glass, you begin to treat the machine quite differently. As a tanker.


Preserved Panthers: AUSF. G (number - 12)
UK: one each at the Bovington Tank Museum (Bovington) and the Defense College of Management and Technology (Shrivenham). USA: two copies each at the US Army's National Armor & Cavalry Museum (Fort Benning) and the Patton Museum of Cavalry and Armor (Fort Knox). Netherlands: Oorlogsmuseum Overloon in Overlon. Russia: Central Museum of Armored Weapons and Equipment in Kubinka. France: Musée des blindés de Saumur (Saumur). Belgium: Tanks-monuments in Uffalize, Selle and Granmenile.



Preserved Panthers: AUSF. A (number - 15)
France: two at the Musée des blindés de Saumur (Saumur), one at the Overlord Museum (Colville-sur-Mer), two memorial tanks in Paris and one at the landfill in Mourmelon-le-Grand. Germany: one car each at Deutsche Panzer- museum Munster (Munster) and Auto- und Technik- museum Sinsheim (Sinsheim). USA: One each at the US Army's National Armor & Cavalry Museum (Fort Benning) and the Military Vehicle Technology Foundation (Portola Valley). Great Britain: three cars in the private collection of The Wheatcroft Collection and one in the private collection of the Rex & Rod Cadman Collection. Canada: Canadian War Museum in Ottawa.


In Kubinka there are still quite unique tanks that I really want to put on the course, turn from stationary exhibits into live cars. Technique must work - in this case, of course, in a peaceful field. "Panther" - one of the many tanks in the restoration series, and therefore the keepers of the museum - good luck!

We thank the Central Museum of Armored Armament and Equipment of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and our consultant Andrey Chernyaev for help in preparing the material.
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  1. +39
    22 October 2016 15: 07
    Lord! When I think about how many "hot" melted, sent for scrap, shot ... - my heart bleeds! And now we rejoice at every rusty debris found in the swamps or at the bottom of the river! And in museums and film studios there are often cheap and talentless fakes!
    1. +8
      22 October 2016 15: 36
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      Lord! When I think about how many "hot" melted, sent for scrap, shot ... - my heart bleeds! And now we rejoice at every rusty debris found in the swamps or at the bottom of the river! And in museums and film studios there are often cheap and talentless fakes!

      Although trite, it’s true: we don’t keep it, we lost it by crying.
      I always liked the Panther, except for the chassis. There have always been many problems with track rollers. Especially in winter.
      1. +7
        22 October 2016 16: 30
        Panthers ”designed by Heinrich Ernst Knipkamp thanks to the staggered order of the road wheels allowed the tank to move very smoothly and evenly distribute the load on the ground. On the other hand, the complexity of the design caused many problems during the repair
        But this was the main problem with the freezing of mud between the rollers. I don’t understand at all how the pragmatic Germans in life could have allowed this, although looking at the German version of the "Ford Transit", with its handbrake on the rear disc pads (for the vein version), you begin to understand that history teaches nothing, the mechanism also freezes after driving on wet roads, I do not recommend putting on the handbrake in cold weather, especially in big cities when using reagents at minus!
        1. +6
          22 October 2016 17: 03
          But this was the main problem with the freezing of dirt between the rollers.
          They had narrow stamped discs. And the weight of the tank is up to 45 tons. Hence the "chess"
          1. +1
            22 October 2016 20: 29
            Quote: Hupfri
            They had narrow stamped discs. And the weight of the tank is up to 45 tons. Hence the "chess"

            The whole charm of such an arrangement of rollers is a smooth ride and a more even load distribution! Well, if the FAA was built, then the rinks would have done any. smile
            And if the frost grabbed what accumulated between the rollers, then yes - kirdyk!
      2. +8
        23 October 2016 04: 45
        Here you have a test drive of the Panther tank from Ivan Zenkevich:
        1. 0
          23 October 2016 16: 11
          We put a review of the mechanical drive T34 was also not a fountain. That frontal withstood and hit 120 mm is impressive
          I have long read that supposedly Hitler ordered stupidly copy our T34, but not mastered, etc.
    2. +4
      22 October 2016 16: 42
      all the trophies foolishly and ineptly ..
    3. +12
      22 October 2016 17: 03
      well, what to do, after the war the country needed raw materials, and there everything was already used ....
    4. +12
      22 October 2016 20: 54
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      When I think about how many "hot" melted, sent for scrap, shot ... - my heart bleeds!

      You better think about how at that moment the people were fed up with the war and what the hell the war veterans (I mean all the past WWII) were to leave 300 some panthers or tigers there!
      But I can tell you with confidence that up to 91g. There were more copies of captured equipment. For example, in Ukraine and in the Crimea.
    5. +10
      23 October 2016 13: 41
      When I think about how many "hot" melted, sent for scrap, shot ... - my heart bleeds!


      the last in the Russian Federation Yak-3 pilot Eremin, who was standing in the museum of the Yakovlev Design Bureau, was sold to America. No one answered. The Russians do not have a single Yak. These are the pies.

      1. +14
        24 October 2016 17: 30
        Yak-3 Eremin factory number 1376, imitating the aircraft factory number 1712 presented to him by F. Golovaty, was not sold in the United States, but was sent to the exposition, illegally held, but in 2016 was returned to Russia.
  2. +7
    22 October 2016 15: 16
    He was in the tank museum in Kubinka. Most of the visitors, as I noticed, are in a hangar with German equipment.
    1. +3
      22 October 2016 22: 03
      what do you want? even 1 German minesweeper is already carrying out the brain
  3. +10
    22 October 2016 15: 33
    Well, let's start srach? lol
    How do representatives of the Teutonic genius explain that the T-5 and T-6 immediately went to the open-hearth mine after the war? After all, the T-4 for some reason rode until the age of 60.
    1. +5
      22 October 2016 17: 11
      How do representatives of the Teutonic genius explain that the T-5 and T-6 immediately went to the open-hearth mine after the war?
      This is in the USSR. For the USSR, these were very complex machines, Soviet industry could not master them, and repair was a dreary affair. In France, Panthers were in service
      In the USSR, Panther served as a source of inspiration for the creation of the T-54.
      1. +15
        22 October 2016 17: 27
        Quote: Hupfri
        In the USSR, Panther served as a source of inspiration for the creation of the T-54.


        How not to make tanks, that's for sure. You look at the comparison of the T-44 with the panther. Photo is avaiable.
        1. +1
          23 October 2016 12: 12
          T 44?
          Did a lot?
          Not interested in why?
          Photo? Not a photo is important in the tank
      2. avt
        +18
        22 October 2016 18: 40
        Quote: Hupfri
        Panther served as a source of inspiration for the creation of the T-54.

        wassat fool Indeed, the proverb says:
        Fools do not sow, do not plow, they themselves will be born.
        Well, why are these dead poultices in the form
        Quote: chenia
        You look at the comparison of the T-44 with the panther. Photo is avaiable.

        Again - why should he learn the materiel and generally not just blueprints, documents, well, read different decrees on the creation of T-bills weapons, and look at pictures in comparison? The wisdom of the people BEFORE the appearance even of the Aglitz tanks of the First World War has already said everything -
        To teach a fool is only to spoil.
        Learned to read and write, but learned to sing and dance
        1. +1
          23 October 2016 12: 17
          Again - why should he learn the materiel and not just drawings

          Here are the drawings and see
          Where is the driver's hatch? How is the engine installed? That the tower is a pancake. That's the whole difference
          You collective farmers still have to study, study and study.
          1. +1
            23 October 2016 20: 32
            "... Comrades scientists! Do not hesitate, dear:
            If you don’t get along well, well, there’s not that effect, -
            We will instantly come to you with shovels and forks,
            Let's think for a day and fix the defect ... "V.S. Vysotsky
      3. +13
        22 October 2016 20: 39
        Quote: Hupfri
        This is in the USSR. For the USSR, these were very complex machines, Soviet industry could not master them, and repair was a dreary affair. In France, Panthers were in service
        In the USSR, Panther served as a source of inspiration for the creation of the T-54.


        Already neighing in a voice.
        Is-2 was, Is-3 was ... A panther very necessary but too complicated. Is-3 and Panther, which is better?
        Tell me, preferably with links, or rather, it is not desirable, but necessarily in what did the T-54 copy Panther?
        1. +1
          23 October 2016 12: 10
          Tell me, preferably with links, or rather, it is not desirable, but necessarily in what did the T-54 copy Panther?

          Many things. Layout, etc. Constructive decisions.
          This is a long conversation. But T34 was not the ancestor of T54
          Knowledge is given by labor. If you do not want to work, this is your problem.
          T 34, IS 2, these are simple wartime vehicles, IS 3 is generally an unsuccessful tank, they did not like him.
          ISs and Tigers are like Volga and Mercedes. The size seems to be the same.
          1. +6
            24 October 2016 06: 21
            Many things? Well, at least say something) Inclined armor? She is from the t-34 and t-44. Location of engine and transmission? From the t-44, there is no front transmission, no chess suspension, no longitudinal engine layout. Massive tower with rounded shapes? She doesn’t even smell on panthers. Armament? No, they preferred an increase in caliber rather than an increase in the initial velocity of the projectile at small calibers. The driver’s hatch? Ahahah, on the T-34, the hatch is located only because of lack of space, even on the KV-1 hatches are located above, there is no influence of the panther))) Well, where is the copy of the panther?
          2. +7
            24 October 2016 08: 59
            Of course the t-34 was not the ancestor of the t-54)) But the panther was definitely! Sofa theorist? The ancestor of the t54 was the t-44, which, incidentally, was in service with the SA and was mass-produced, albeit not so massively. The ancestor of the t-44 was the T-43, it was on this machine that the layout of the t-44 and t-54 was based. Although it remained a prototype, its cast tower was put on t-34-85. And the ancestor of t-43 was the same t-34)) So your panther sideways does not belong to Soviet tanks. Although purely externally and in combat qualities I really like Panther.
            1. +5
              25 October 2016 20: 44
              T5 - the tank is generally stupid, the fascists didn’t need to cut the Panther, wasting time and scattering resources, but finish on the T4. his potential for modernization was huge. but no, the fascists wanted to have uberbaflu.
              By the way, Baryatinsky agrees with me :).
              as well as a beautiful tank and a good gun, that’s all its advantages.
      4. +8
        23 October 2016 16: 00
        For the USSR there was no need to master them, since in tank building the USSR overtook Germany and nonsense about the inspiring German "genius" - tell your grandmother! Learn history!
      5. +2
        24 October 2016 06: 29
        Quote: Hupfri
        How do representatives of the Teutonic genius explain that the T-5 and T-6 immediately went to the open-hearth mine after the war?
        This is in the USSR. For the USSR, these were very complex machines, Soviet industry could not master them, and repair was a dreary affair. In France, Panthers were in service
        In the USSR, Panther served as a source of inspiration for the creation of the T-54.

        After the war, France did not have its own tanks and modern tank industry, so everyone rowed, even panthers. And the PC-4, even in the 60s, continued to fight the Shermans and the T-34. Only here are the "best tanks Vines! 11" tigers, panthers and royal tigers all went to metal.
    2. +13
      22 October 2016 21: 26
      Greetings to colleagues! Panthers were developed under the impression of our T 34 (hence the rational corners of the hull and turret). There was no point in saving the captured vehicles after the war - the Soviet school of tank building went far in front of the war (T44 and IS3 as a fact) Again, a destroyed country High-quality steel was required. By the way, a photo of the first exit of the carapace to the museum from the repair zone on the evening of June 25, 2013.
  4. +2
    22 October 2016 15: 50
    Wow! Respect to the museum specialists.
    1. +12
      22 October 2016 16: 14
      Quote: Leonid Khar
      Wow! Respect to the museum specialists.

      Yes, and ZIL specialists. Going through such an engine without spare parts is worth a lot. I speak as a professional minder.
  5. +3
    22 October 2016 15: 50
    It's good that on the go, it means alive, and not just an iron box.
  6. +2
    22 October 2016 16: 04
    How do representatives of the Teutonic genius explain that the T-5 and T-6 immediately went to the open-hearth mine after the war? After all, the T-4 for some reason rode until the age of 60. [/ quote]
    1. +3
      22 October 2016 16: 08
      comrade, I'm sorry, but they wrote a stupid post .. The Germans delivered 4th grooves. when they had the opportunity to export. When it came to the T-5 and T-6 they didn’t have such an opportunity ....
      1. +5
        22 October 2016 16: 43
        Wehrmacht delivered the T-4 to Israel? belay
        Hitler rolled over in hell a couple of times.
        1. +1
          23 October 2016 12: 00
          Wehrmacht delivered T-4 to Israel

          Czechs on the orders of Stalin
  7. +4
    22 October 2016 16: 12
    German tank crews at the Pz.Kpfw.V Ausf.A Panther tanks from the 6th company of the 5th tank regiment of the 5th SS Viking Panzer Division (6.Kompanie / SS-Panzer-regiment 5 / 5.SS- Panzer-Division "Wiking ”) at a training ground in Poland.
    Maybe one of these?
  8. +20
    22 October 2016 16: 40
    I am writing from memory the assessments of our tanker who fought on the captured Panther:
    the engine is rubbish, the chassis is rubbish, powerful armor is of poor quality, a good gun, very good optics, it’s spacious and comfortable in the tank.
    From myself: a tank - the seal of mentality - the Germans were not going to ride it, - to shoot, but in Russia you still need to shoot.
    For those who whine over the lost "Panthers", but think from the point of view of that time, why was this rubbish of a defeated enemy massively saved, inevitably wasting scarce post-war resources? - although they have preserved something for history.
    1. +5
      22 October 2016 20: 39
      Quote: ando_bor
      Well, why was this mass of defeated enemy massively preserved, inevitably spending scarce post-war resources?

      If a few pieces were mothballed for museums, the "scarce post-war resources" would not have suffered. They destroyed not only the "rubbish of the defeated enemy", but also rare samples of their military equipment. It's just that no one thought that someday it would be interesting for future generations - this is the approach request
    2. +2
      23 October 2016 16: 24
      Indeed, at that time things were more important than storing German equipment, and the psychological fact played the role: the enemy’s equipment and its protection ?!
  9. +6
    22 October 2016 16: 54
    Only in the Proskurovsky-Chernivtsi operation did our troops capture many Panthers (saw archival photographs). Then, in March 1944, the troops of the 1st Ukrainian Front, under the command of Marshal Zhukov, quickly surrounded the proskurov group of the enemy, cutting the only paved road in the Yarmolintsy area leading to Kamenetz-Podolsky, along which the Nazis retreated. Kamenetz-Podolsky that time was already occupied by our troops, as, by the way, Chernivtsi. The highway and the railway leading to Ternopil were also cut in the Volochisk area. The Hitlerites were forced to abandon all the equipment and flee on foot through the fields, because there was a terrible roadway and no equipment could go through the Russian mud, except, of course, the T-34. To pursue them simply did not have the strength. Technique, of course, most of it was disabled, there was a nape in the back of the head for several tens of kilometers.
    1. +4
      22 October 2016 20: 23
      And you didn’t even notice that the Germans were beaten by the Ukrainian Front. Turn over all the archives and you will not find the Russian Front anywhere. They simply weren't there. The war was won by America and Ukraine, and Russia and the rest got along.
      1. +7
        22 October 2016 21: 04
        Quote: zenion
        that the Germans were beaten by the Ukrainian front. Turn over all the archives and you will not find the Russian Front anywhere.

        is it a banter?
        There were Voronezh and Bryansk and Volkhov. The fronts were named according to territoriality, operations conducted, and not according to national grounds. wink
        1. +2
          23 October 2016 16: 49
          And also: Karelian, Leningrad front
      2. +5
        22 October 2016 21: 31
        Zenion, what was it? Today, is it somehow difficult with a joke of humor?
      3. +2
        22 October 2016 23: 48
        He's kidding!
      4. +6
        23 October 2016 00: 04
        But what about the geese?
      5. 0
        23 October 2016 16: 08
        There were actually four Ukrainian fronts, and three Belarusian, two Baltic fronts, only specifically for such idiots as you say, this does not mean that these fronts were manned by nat. featured is the operational and strategic formations of the Red Army at the end of the war!
      6. +4
        23 October 2016 16: 46
        Mr. Zenon, consider that we appreciated your humor. And on behalf of the independent and all nerds who did not teach and did not want to know History, thanks
        I think in Israel, many well remember the story to them, and even more so to those killed who insulted such a statement
      7. +2
        25 October 2016 18: 31
        In modern history, Russophobes have appointed that Ukraine, Belarus and the United States defeated fascism, while the Russians had only Stalingrad and Leningrad! Unfortunately, history is being rewritten to please politicians. After the death of Roosevelt, instructions were given about the rotation of the personnel of the US troops, who fought with the Nazis and had contacts with the Soviet army.
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      9. 0
        20 February 2017 18: 10
        and how many Ukraine were then. Ukrainian fronts as much as 4.
  10. +2
    22 October 2016 17: 25
    Quote: Andreitas
    He was in the tank museum in Kubinka. Most of the visitors, as I noticed, are in a hangar with German equipment.

    And it is true! The largest visit is the Germans, and there is something to look at !! The remaining hangars are just a trifle compared to the tanks of the Third Reich.
    1. +2
      22 October 2016 21: 06
      Something, and the hangar of Soviet technology or for example. such a waffle
      1. +2
        22 October 2016 23: 46
        This is a Polish wedge heel of the 30s.
        1. +1
          23 October 2016 00: 02
          Well, yes, I would not dare call it a wedge sole laughing rather armored motorcycle)))))
    2. +1
      23 October 2016 16: 10
      Come on a trifle, something did not notice, of the four hangars, only one German!
  11. 0
    22 October 2016 19: 05
    A wave of envy swept over me. Even cheekbones reduced. I also want to
    1. +1
      22 October 2016 19: 25
      Envy is white and kind
    2. +6
      22 October 2016 20: 46
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      A wave of envy swept over me. Even cheekbones reduced. I also want to

      Who wants, he builds and rides for fun! smile
      A resident of the Sverdlovsk region, Alexander Porubaiko, built a working copy of the German Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf.F2 tank in a side street next to his house according to independently obtained drawings, using spare parts from tractors and trucks. The tank drives, rotates the turret, changes the angle of the gun. That's just he has no armor. But even without it, the car weighs ten tons, on public roads You cannot ride on such a technique.
      1. +6
        22 October 2016 20: 56
        Quote: Bayonet
        Who wants, he builds and rides for fun!

        And this is generally a serious homemade!
        A selection of photos of how the homemade "Tiger" was created!
        http://4funny.ru/tank-tigr-vi-svoimi-rukami-69-fo
        to /
      2. +4
        22 October 2016 22: 58
        I don’t understand this guy. Who does he imagine when he sits in his tank? German tanker? It looks like the glorification of the Nazis. It is one thing to make a layout for a film studio, it is another thing to recreate enemy equipment for the boys of their area.
        1. +5
          23 October 2016 08: 31
          Quote: sogdianec
          I don’t understand this guy. Who does he imagine when he sits in his tank? German tanker? It looks like the glorification of the Nazis. It is one thing to make a layout for a film studio, it is another thing to recreate enemy equipment for the boys of their area.

          You probably never smile? Sadly ...
          Quote: sogdianec
          It looks like the heroization of the Nazis

          And in childhood, when the boys played war games, they also frowned aside and did not understand ...
        2. +6
          23 October 2016 11: 54
          I don’t understand this guy. Who does he imagine when he sits in his tank? German tanker? It looks like the heroization of the Nazis

          It seems like a serious hobby.
          Is it better to sit on a crushed sofa with a three-day stubble on a mos and drink sour beer?
          1. +3
            23 October 2016 12: 10
            Quote: Hupfri
            I don’t understand this guy. Who does he imagine when he sits in his tank? German tanker? It looks like the heroization of the Nazis

            It seems like a serious hobby.
            Is it better to sit on a crushed sofa with a three-day stubble on a mos and drink sour beer?

            And in everything to look for the machinations of enemies (in sour beer - too) bully
            1. +3
              23 October 2016 12: 26
              Quote: Bayonet
              It looks like the heroization of the Nazis

              I have this thing stuck on an electronic pass laughing
              The guards laugh! Is this also a "glorification of the Nazis"? smile Or immediately = betrayal of the motherland?
              1. +4
                23 October 2016 12: 42
                Quote: Bayonet

                I have this thing stuck on an electronic pass laughing

                There’s nothing strange here. A bayonet among Jews is often found such as you who worship Nazism.
                In Ukraine, Jews even fight in Yarosh in the Right Sector.
  12. 0
    22 October 2016 21: 07
    something I did not understand in Belgium are fascist tanks standing like monuments?
    1. +5
      23 October 2016 10: 05
      Quote: Quantu
      something I did not understand in Belgium are fascist tanks standing like monuments?

      Well, in Slovakia. I do not like?
      Monument on the site of the battles for the Duklins pass, Slovakia
      During the battles over the Duklinsky pass 131 people were killed and wounded.
      Here is such a tribute to the soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation of the region from fascism.
  13. +2
    22 October 2016 21: 14
    Quote: zenion
    And you didn’t even notice that the Germans were beaten by the Ukrainian Front. Turn over all the archives and you will not find the Russian Front anywhere. They simply weren't there. The war was won by America and Ukraine, and Russia and the rest got along.

    As Lelik used to say in the "Diamond Hand": "Go" from - it's for a long time ... " lol
    1. +2
      23 October 2016 11: 57
      As Lelik used to say in the "Diamond Hand": "Go" from - it's for a long time ... "

      This is the "Hoholus vulgarius" during the rut
  14. +1
    22 October 2016 21: 31
    On the "u-tube" on the Ivan Zenkevich channel there is a test drive of this "panther" and many more tanks of the museum in Kubinka, which are on the move. If anyone is interested, take a look. A very exciting sight ...
    PS I wanted to insert a video - it does not work ... Says "inadmissible". Previously, everything was inserted at once, but now it is "unacceptable"! This is not gut ...
  15. +1
    22 October 2016 21: 47
    Surely half of them were stolen by various officials. I do not believe in the restoration of any historical model - all the money will be stolen anyway. Replacing with "what they could from not plundered" is more plausible.
  16. +1
    22 October 2016 23: 56
    Panther like a Panther.
    But goslings are better!
    1. 0
      23 October 2016 11: 50
      Panther like a Panther.
      But goslings are better

      And where are the cats, the cats? And where are the puppies with bows?
  17. +6
    23 October 2016 00: 01
    Here are a couple of shots of drooping panzers:
  18. 0
    23 October 2016 00: 04
    I wonder if there were t-34 hybrids with a tower, or at least with a cannon from a t-V since it was so good?
    1. 0
      24 October 2016 09: 19
      did not have. For the Panther’s shoulder strap is much larger than that of the t-34,
  19. 0
    23 October 2016 00: 08
    Our tanks and a couple goodbye Motherland.
  20. +1
    23 October 2016 00: 09
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Our tanks and a couple goodbye Motherland.

  21. 0
    23 October 2016 00: 15
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Our tanks and a couple goodbye Motherland.


    More archive photos of armored vehicles:


  22. 0
    23 October 2016 00: 17
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Our tanks and a couple goodbye Motherland.


    More archive photos of armored vehicles:



    Fritz:



  23. 0
    23 October 2016 00: 22
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Quote: Comrade Kim
    Our tanks and a couple goodbye Motherland.


    More archive photos of armored vehicles:



    Fritz:




    After surrender:



  24. 0
    23 October 2016 16: 35
    Very interesting information, and even video is generally super.
    It would be very good to prepare a cycle of similar programs about other exhibits, even the most interesting and rare ones.
    Here on the pages of the "Review" there was a story about the Israeli Merkava, now about the "Panther"
  25. +1
    23 October 2016 23: 31
    Quote: Hupfri
    I don’t understand this guy. Who does he imagine when he sits in his tank? German tanker? It looks like the heroization of the Nazis

    It seems like a serious hobby.
    Is it better to sit on a crushed sofa with a three-day stubble on a mos and drink sour beer?


    This is where the propaganda and glorification of the Nazis begins. Today, someone likes a Nazi tank and he recreated it and probably proud of it. Tomorrow the crowd of youngsters will like the SS uniform and will wear it to the parade. "And Cho is beautiful, not like the wretched Red Army jackets and quilted jackets." And the German crosses on the chest are dearer to someone than our awards. I understand the historical and technical interest in restoring old technology or creating a model for the needs of cinematography, but this is an exception.
    1. +3
      25 October 2016 15: 30
      "Today he listens to jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland." fool
      1. 0
        25 October 2016 20: 58
        Well, yes, extremes ... However, it jars when you read: "to arrange the tank in the colors and signs of the CULT SS Panzer Division" Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler "" (from the text of the article). Are you not here? No.
  26. 0
    24 October 2016 09: 59
    In the days of my student body and military department. Students were sent annually to the Prudy training ground in the Volgograd region, and they rode on their armor (university armored personnel carriers 70-80). I already didn’t find such charges, we had easier shooting, but they told us in the late 80s there were tank columns at the training ground for working out aviation. So in these columns were a variety of tanks including the German TIGERS. Unfortunately I did not find any pictures
  27. 0
    26 October 2016 03: 23
    Quote: Hupfri
    Many things. Layout, etc. Constructive decisions. This is a long conversation.

    So write an article about it, or a series of articles, with details and in detail - "How we copied" Panther "". Otherwise, such statements do not inspire confidence without arguments.
  28. +1
    28 October 2016 10: 25
    Super article, thanks to the author !!!
    I was in Kubinka in the 11th year, but unfortunately I didn’t see Panther.
    Mouse, Tiger-2, Dora stood, but Panther for some reason was not (((
    Later I will upload a couple of pictures (drive at home) :)
  29. +1
    28 October 2016 21: 06
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    how many "hot" were melted, sent for scrap, shot ... - my heart bleeds! And now we rejoice at every rusty wreck,

    And in the 80s, at the T-72 range, we shot ISU-152 and Ferdinand .
  30. 0
    15 March 2017 17: 22
    Quote: voyaka uh
    "Today he listens to jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland"

    And what is characteristic! Yes, many still sold. And they really started - with jazz and clothes. Clear business - for all good against any x ... nor.
  31. 0
    13 August 2017 17: 04
    Instead of going to Mosfilm, they sent it for re-melting. Brains were clearly not enough.