How T-90 has established itself over the year in Syria

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How T-90 has established itself over the year in Syria


Military operations in Syria were the first where the Russian T-90 was baptized in battle.



About a year ago these Tanks Modifications “A” were seen at the Khmeimim airbase used by the Russian Air Force and were intended for its defense.

The appearance in the SAR of the newest tanks in service with Russia provoked a strong reaction in many Western media. The speeches of experts who called the T-90A "supertank" boiled down to the opinion that Russia transferred several vehicles to the airbase, since the Syrian government forces, armed with T-72, are unable to protect the airbase. T-90 is better suited for the defense of a similar object in the desert, since it has a more protected turret, a thermal imager integrated with the main sight, an improved gun stabilizer and an advanced automatic loader. And the fire control system installed on the tank, surpassing the world’s analogues, allows the vehicle to hit moving targets with the first shot in almost any weather.

Analysts of The National Interest then noted that if the militants of the terrorist group DAISH (the Arabic name of the Islamic State banned in the Russian Federation - RG) would use the American tanks M1A1 "Abrams" captured in Iraq, then against T-90 from them there will be no chance. In addition to the low level of professional training of terrorists, the experts explained the outcome of the fight as the worst equipment of the Abrams - they were exported in a variant with reduced characteristics.

A few months later, it became known that some tank units of the Syrian government as a military aid from the Russian Federation received a T-90 model 1992 of the year. Crews were formed from ATS military personnel with driving experience T-72 and retrained.

For the first time T-90 were used by Syrian troops in the province of Aleppo. Several videos have been published on the Internet that captured the participation of Russian-made tanks in battles in this region.

Middle Eastern media reported that it was T-90 that played a significant role in the successful operations of the ATS army units. The armored vehicles ensured the advancement of the assault groups, as a result of which strategically important populated areas were liberated, and the supply lines of the militants were cut. Part of the tanks was deployed in cities taken under the control of Syrian troops.

In a number of sources, you can see the responses of military ATS, who are members of the crew of the T-90. According to them, all the nuances of the Russian machine remain unknown to them, but past battles have already proved the effectiveness and good protection of these tanks from many types. weapons, including modern anti-tank missile systems TOW, which are in large numbers among terrorists.

A striking proof of this was the video that appeared near Aleppo that appeared on the Net in February of this year, demonstrating the attack by the militants who used TOW-2A against a Russian tank. The rocket hit the frontal part of the tower. The plot with the glee of the fighters abruptly broke off after a living crew member appeared from the tank tower. Later, a photo of the hit T-90 appeared, which was located at the Syrian repair plant. It was reported that the car had replaced the tip of the sights and dynamic protection units.

Indicative are also the frames, which show how the T-90 can withstand the hit of three missiles. According to the battle participants, the terrorists first fired one missile at the car, then two more. The first one exploded on approach, the second damaged the caterpillar a little, and the third one passed by. The tank was able to continue the movement and shooting.

According to some sources, it is often believed in the ranks of the SAR servicemen that more T-90 would contribute to the imminent end of hostilities in the country.

According to Yuri Lyamin, an expert on the Syrian crisis, quoted by the Herald of Mordovia, there are no more than three dozen T-90 at the disposal of the SAR government forces.

- These tanks are smeared along the front line. In one direction no more than one company is used. For example, about Aleppo at the end of the past - the beginning of the current year there were only about a dozen cars, - said Lyamin.

The publication also notes that since the appearance in Syria, not a single T-90 has been destroyed. The only loss can be considered as the capture by the militants in the Aleppo area in early June of an almost operational tank.
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  1. +13
    9 October 2016 06: 35
    I wonder where is this captured tank now?
    1. +2
      9 October 2016 06: 57
      Quote: a001126
      I wonder where is this captured tank now?

      How the combat vehicle fell into the hands of the igilovtsevs is still not reliably known.

      “Judging by the photo and video materials, although the car had the opportunity to move independently, it received damage to the night thermal sight, sight of the commander, as well as the Shtora optical-electronic suppression system,” writes publication author Roman Katkov.

      According to him, “military experts made assumptions about the further fate of the tank: some, optimistic, said that the car would most likely be repulsed or destroyed, others, on the contrary, assumed that T-90А would soon be at one of the NATO ranges, where he is subjected to scrutiny. "

      But everything turned out to be much more prosaic. “According to the data that appeared on social networks (in particular, on Ivan Sidorenko’s Twitter), the militants who captured T-90A sold him to the Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist group banned in Russia for 500 thousand dollars,” the author writes.

      Of course, one T-90, which is in the hands of the militants, “will not do the weather,” but the terrorists will make the most of this fact for propaganda purposes.
    2. +1
      9 October 2016 08: 41
      exceptional screw dismantled ....
      1. +1
        9 October 2016 12: 31
        Quote: novobranets
        the militants who seized the T-90A sold it to the terrorist group Jabhat al-Nusra banned in Russia
        Knowing the connection between Nusra and the CIA, it can be assumed that he was dismantled to the cog, then he was again assembled and shot at the Aberdeen training ground. From the T-72 they performed such tricks.
    3. +1
      13 January 2017 10: 38
      We can safely say that this tank in America - "smart and sophisticated penguins" are studying ...
    4. 0
      13 July 2017 14: 02
      Well, this is only with Us, equipment should not fall into the hands of the enemy (otherwise the execution as in the years of the Second World War).
      and the Arabs both hello and hello, not that they have education!
  2. +5
    9 October 2016 06: 57
    Quote: a001126
    I wonder where is this captured tank now?
    Due to the fact that the media and the Internet are silent about him, we can safely assume that the curators are studying. Still, such a chance - for any money ...
    1. +12
      9 October 2016 17: 40
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Due to the fact that the media and the Internet are silent about him, we can safely assume that the curators are studying. Still, such a chance - for any money ...

      And why is this super-duper new and secret in this T-72 modification so that it can be disassembled into cogs? bully
      the fire control system installed on the tank, surpassing world analogues, allows the car to hit moving targets with the first shot on almost any weather.

      Why didn't they organize demonstration shooting at the Tank Biathlon - "... hit moving targets with the first shot on the move"? What an advertisement for our technology would be! The whole world comes to us for tanks! In queue !!! fellow
      1. +9
        9 October 2016 19: 38
        Quote: Bayonet
        Why didn't they organize demonstration shooting at the Tank Biathlon - "... hit moving targets with the first shot on the move"? What an advertisement for our technology would be! The whole world comes to us for tanks! In queue !!!

        You can’t be so cruel. Now someone will upload a video from the biathlon where the T-72 in the afternoon, in fine weather, from a place with the best crew of the district can not get on the yellow contrasting target ... belay
        1. +2
          26 December 2016 09: 47
          Quote: professor
          where the T-72 in the afternoon, in fine weather, from a place with the best crew of the district can’t hit the yellow contrasting target ...

          Are you back for the old? You first bring your Merkava to the tank biathlon and look at your crews in similar conditions, with firing an ordinary projectile, rather than a guided missile.
        2. 0
          13 July 2017 14: 09
          Oh come on, Professor!
          I respect you, although I do not always agree with you.
          Well, damn it, you also take care of it, browse!
          Respectfully, not anti-Semite, anti-Jewish,
          I respect the Jews "
  3. +2
    9 October 2016 07: 02
    Quote: a001126
    I wonder where is this captured tank now?
    Judging by the silence in the media and the Internet, the "curators" of the barmaleev. They will not miss such a chance for any money.
  4. +18
    9 October 2016 07: 30
    T-90 is better suited for the defense of such an object in the desert

    In how. The desert has already captured the Mediterranean coast.

    A tank-mounted fire control system that surpasses world analogues

    those. not analogous to the world wassat

    Analysts at The National Interest then noted

    Which normal people read The National Interest and who quotes it?

    In a number of sources, you can see the responses of the military ATS, which are members of the T-90 crew.

    Isn't that barefoot Mowgli?


    A striking proof of this was the video that appeared near Aleppo that appeared on the Net in February of this year, demonstrating the attack by the militants who used TOW-2A against a Russian tank. The rocket hit the frontal part of the tower. The plot with the glee of the fighters abruptly broke off after a living crew member appeared from the tank tower. Later, a photo of the hit T-90 appeared, which was located at the Syrian repair plant. It was reported that the car had replaced the tip of the sights and dynamic protection units.

    But what about the "Blind", which has no analogue in the world, which was supposed to take the ancient TOU away from the frontal armor?

    Also indicative are the frames, which show how the T-90 can withstand the hit of three missiles.

    Where is the video?

    According to some sources, it is often believed in the ranks of the SAR servicemen that more T-90 would contribute to the imminent end of hostilities in the country.

    Tanks do not defeat ideology. Continuing setbacks await them until they understand this.

    The article is generally left. Neither analysis nor facts, but a retelling of speculation and links to The National Interest and the Bulletin of Mordovia. negative
    1. +12
      9 October 2016 07: 55
      Something I did not understand who is bad, a tank or an author of an article? Professor decide!
      1. +11
        9 October 2016 08: 03
        Duc about the tank in the article, I really did not find anything. What to discuss? request
    2. +16
      9 October 2016 08: 26
      Quote: professor

      Tanks do not defeat ideology.

      That's right!
      It’s a good word. laughing
      But as you well know, much more can be done to the kind words and Smith & Wesson revolver.
      Those. we need tanks, and videoconferencing and "other, other".
      And the ideology of the Barmalei would have long since died down, if not for the patronage of a number of comrades, led by the United States.
      As for the T-90, in spite of not some amateurish epithets in the press, such as there are no analogues, etc., it is absolutely clear that this is the best modification of the T-72, which has a high level of security, a completely modern SLA and a quite sufficient level of mobility.
      Another thing is that it’s still not some miracle weapon, but just a modern MBT. Yes, and crew training is important.
      In addition, a number of modern conflicts, including in Syria and the Donbass, can be called a war of units, often irregular, but by no means armies. Although the destruction of cities over the years of the conflict was considerable, more than several pieces of equipment and tens, hundreds, rarely up to a thousand l / s are rarely used in battles.
      This allows us to conclude that both Assad and the barmalei have few troops, active bayonets, most likely, from fifty thousand from each side to the whole country.
      And the rest have an "ideology" like everyone else: how to slip between the fucked up and not become a stranger to "their own", even if they are uniform terrorists and barmaley. The "asset" drives, and the rest of the Syrian herd is driven and used by all and sundry.
    3. +15
      9 October 2016 08: 49
      Quote: professor
      Tanks do not defeat ideology. Continuing setbacks await them until they understand this.

      The same setbacks that have plagued Israel for so many decades? Well, follow their requirements, liquidate your state and evacuate the Jewish population somewhere in Europe-America. And you will be happy 8)))))
      1. +6
        9 October 2016 09: 21
        Quote: Spade
        The same setbacks that have plagued Israel for so many decades? Well, follow their requirements, liquidate your state and evacuate the Jewish population somewhere in Europe-America. And you will be happy 8)))))

        Israel does not fight tanks with a hostile ideology. We have already passed this stage. We agree with the neighbors whenever possible. Peace with Jordan and Egypt. We also agree with the Fylists. With our Arabs we use both carrot and stick. Who will look to the side of the Islamic State in prison, and to the Arab sector itself billions of dollars for development. Results on the face.

        Quote: Monarchist
        I have a proposal: let the distinguished professor prepare an analytical article on the advantages and, most importantly, disadvantages of the T90 tank. He is a great "expert" in our technology.

        Dear Professor no longer a writer, but a reader. And this article does not even draw on a school essay. You read any driver test in a German magazine for comparison and evaluate both form and content.

        Quote: Spade
        Modern COEP can provide this.

        In theory, and only for the second generation. For the third generation, there is nothing more pleasant than a COEP illuminating a tank for many kilometers.
        Quote: demiurg
        That is, I will formulate the question differently, which of these three tanks lives on the battlefield longer?

        Well, and what? wink
        1. +4
          9 October 2016 10: 55
          Quote: professor
          Israel does not fight tanks with a hostile ideology.

          Rockets? That's it, I watch your planes fall. But you just have to give in and fulfill the requirements. How do you offer Assad to do this.

          Quote: professor
          In theory, and only for the second generation. For the third generation, there is nothing more pleasant than a COEP illuminating a tank for many kilometers.

          Oh you ... Dear, actually, the old Soviet "Shtora" is not the only optical-electronic suppression complex in the world. Modern spit on generations.
          1. +1
            9 October 2016 12: 43
            Quote: Spade
            Rockets? That's it, I watch your planes fall. But you just have to give in and fulfill the requirements. How do you offer Assad to do this.

            Neither rockets nor bombs, but the provision of an alternative. For example, the IG stands for social justice and we are trying to give it to the Arabs. We give them freedom, work, medical care, education, and therefore followers of the Islamic State can be counted on our fingers. This is a carrot. The bombing of Gaza in response to the shelling of Israel is a whip. Note that even hawks such as Lieberman do not dare to claim that Tzahal will be able to re-educate the Gaza population by military means. Weapons cannot be defeated by ideology.

            Assad, I do not offer anything. We have those who want long years of life and then scorched earth will remain from Syria, and I want to urinate on his grave. I have a personal dislike for him.

            Quote: Spade
            Oh you ... Dear, actually, the old Soviet "Shtora" is not the only optical-electronic suppression complex in the world. Modern spit on generations.

            If we are talking about a spherical horse in a vacuum then yes .. COEP is our everything. If about reality on the battlefield, then the tank is not a tenant. Syria is another example.

            Quote: Proxima
            Professor, without going into demagoguery, answer the question of how the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition had to fight against the ideology of Nazism?

            Provide an alternative. Such an alternative is the present-day Germany, which does not host the "German Marches". She doesn't "get off her knees." How far has it come ... Russia criticizes Germany for being too tolerant. The curtain.

            Quote: Proxima
            But when, in front of this maniac, his "ideological comrades-in-arms" die and he realizes that soon the same just fate will befall him, then believe the Professor, his "ideology" will evaporate with the speed of ammonia vapor.

            We try to judge them by our standards. They have to die is to become a Shaid and ascend to heaven, and you scare their comrades with the death.
            1. +5
              9 October 2016 13: 45
              Quote: professor
              And you are going to judge them by your standards. They have to die is to become a Shaid and ascend to heaven, and you scare their comrades with the death.

              Come down from heaven to earth, Professor! Was it not your colleagues who wrapped terrorist troupes in pig skins and dumped them in the trash so that they would appear before Allah in such a "dress"? What kind of "heaven" is there? Remember, (this is not my opinion), the massive replication of serious crimes occurs only in one case, when the offender is confident of his impunity. This is fully happening in Syria and no "ideology" is out of place here.
            2. +6
              9 October 2016 13: 49
              [quote = professor] [quote = Lopatov] I do not propose anything to Assad. We have those who want long years of life and then scorched earth will remain from Syria, and I want to urinate on his grave. I have a personal dislike for him. [/ Quote]
              יום טוב !!!!! Dear Professor, I am very interested in the desire of the State of Israel to overthrow the legitimate government of the SAR, and then what?!?!? example of Libya is not an example for you ????? or do you think that the barmaley in Libya and the barmaley in Syria are different ????? Proud Jews can't wait to be alone with ISIS (Daesh, etc ... forbidden in Russia)?!?!?!? Are you so sure that after the destruction of Syria, you will not be next, but with such tender "love" that all the neighbors feel for you ???? Where is the confidence that ALL scumbags from all over the East will not gather for such a prize as Al-Aqsa?!?!?!? I remind similar ones .... No Hamas, Palestine demolished, Syria demolished, Lebanon demolished ... The Turks are strengthening their border as they can and with what they can .... and Israel in splendid isolation .... as a picture?!?!?
            3. +3
              9 October 2016 14: 19
              Quote: professor
              Neither rockets nor bombs, but the provision of an alternative.

              Live in a refugee camp or live in a refugee camp? Good alternative. It’s clear why they’ll either launch a rocket in gratitude, then they will attack with a knife, then they will start to push the machine ...

              Quote: professor
              If we are talking about a spherical horse in a vacuum then yes .. COEP is our everything. If about reality on the battlefield, then the tank is not a tenant. Syria is another example.

              And if not about the "spherical horse", but about the German KOEP, which is already being installed on "Pumas" and "Leopards"?

              Quote: professor
              We try to judge them by our standards. They have to die is to become a Shaid and ascend to heaven, and you scare their comrades with the death.

              Here I am about the same. You need to close the Israel project. Terrorists will get their way and stop being terrorists. Probably.
            4. +4
              13 October 2016 16: 08
              Well, you and a patsefist ... it would be interesting to listen to you in 41, near the ghetto, you would tell the Red Army soldiers how to negotiate, about medicine and about tolerance for mercenaries. How long have the battles on the Galan Heights and in Beirut ceased .. like we realized everything, "passed" now with everyone in the gums.? Tales about a white bull ... who will believe you ?, it's just a calm ... I understand that Assad himself came to your apartment and shit .. sorry.
            5. 0
              13 October 2016 16: 11
              Well, you and the pacifist ... it would be interesting to listen to you in the 41st, near the ghetto, you would tell the soldiers of the Red Army how to negotiate, about medicine and about tolerance for mercenaries.
              How long have the battles on the Galan Heights and in Beirut ceased .. like we realized everything, "passed" now with everyone in the gums.? Tales about a white bull ... who will believe you ?, it's just a calm ... I understand that Assad himself came to your apartment and shit .. sorry.
        2. +4
          9 October 2016 21: 51
          Quote: professor
          And this article does not even draw on a school essay.

          Well, let's just say your opuses, the professor, pulled the maximum for "Young Technician", but nothing was printed on the site here.
          Quote: professor
          Now someone will post a video from the biathlon where the T-72 in the afternoon, in good weather, from a place with the best crew of the district can not hit the yellow contrasting target.

          But brave Israeli Jews easily fall into their own Merkavas lol
          In army exercises, a tank fired on another tank
          The military exercises of regiment 401 in the Tseelim region, in the south of the country, almost ended in tragedy. The tank mistakenly fired on another tank. The shell caused damage to the tank, but no one was hurt.
          http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2016/03/31/
          na-armeyskih-ucheniyah-tank-obstrelyal-drugoy-tan
          k/
    4. +6
      9 October 2016 09: 27
      [quote = professor] [quote]
      Tanks do not defeat ideology. [/ quote]
      What is the ideology of the professor? That you are deceiving yourself and others? To cut off children's heads and film it all? - Is this your ideology? These are non-humans, with whom you need to act accordingly, and such a technique as the T-90 is a good help in this. Only on June 9 of last year, France-Presse announced the data of the organization "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" that at that time as a result of hostilities, 11493 children died! Think about what is behind these numbers. And you say - "ideology".
      1. +6
        9 October 2016 09: 39
        Quote: Proxima
        What is the ideology of the professor? What are you fooling yourself and others? Children cut off their heads and shoot all this on video? - is it your ideology?

        It is ideology. In your opinion, if at every mention of IS, you put "prohibited in Russia" then there is no problem? IS has a very attractive ideology for many Muslims and therefore tens of thousands of Muslims join IS. The Sunni Islamic State cuts heads (France chopped them off, the Germans used gas chambers, and the Bolsheviks exterminated millions in different ways, including the Holodomor), and the Shiite Islamic State of Iran simply hangs up. And they all had an ideological basis for this. It is possible to defeat ideology only by presenting an alternative and certainly not having any analogues in the world with tanks.
        1. +10
          9 October 2016 10: 42
          Quote: professor

          It is ideology. In your opinion, if every time you mention IS, you put "prohibited in Russia" then there is no problem?

          Professor, without going into demagogy, answer the question, how should the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition fight against the ideology of Nazism? There is only one answer - to destroy them all, these "ideologists" like mad dogs. Under any, even the most monstrous crime, you can bring an ideological basis. This maniac somehow justifies himself, because he did all these abominations "in the name of an idea." But when, in front of this maniac, his "ideological comrades-in-arms" die and he realizes that soon the same just fate will befall him, then believe the Professor, his "ideology" will evaporate with the speed of ammonia vapor.
        2. 0
          3 January 2017 14: 11
          Especially the Bolsheviks with very "Russian" surnames .....
    5. +9
      9 October 2016 09: 33
      Quote: professor
      T-90 is better suited for the defense of such an object in the desert


      The article is generally left. Neither analysis nor facts, but a retelling of speculation and links to The National Interest and the Bulletin of Mordovia. negative


      Come on, Professor. The article is normal and there are "facts". And you are splashing saliva here because the tank is excellent and the article directly says about it. A real combat vehicle, unlike your "cart" - the "elusive Joe" of the world tank building.
      1. +4
        9 October 2016 09: 42
        Quote: stoker
        Come on, Professor. The article is normal and there are "facts". And you are splashing saliva here because the tank is excellent and the article directly says about it. A real combat vehicle, unlike your "cart" - the "elusive Joe" of the world tank building.

        1. Young man, you and I did not graze geese in the same meadow and did not drink to the broodershaft.
        2. I did not consider any "facts" in the article. Tales and retellings, yes, facts, no. And about the "normal" article or not. Everyone has their own standards.
    6. +5
      9 October 2016 12: 10
      Well, it’s not a messenger from Israel like you. I don’t like it, they threw a bunch of bad-smelling comments - calm down, you understood, appreciated, weighed and admitted-nothing smart, you once again did not say.
    7. +1
      9 October 2016 16: 14
      Quote: professor
      Tanks do not defeat ideology. Failures await them until they understand.

      Oh oh
    8. +1
      9 October 2016 19: 16
      "But what about the" Blind ", which has no analogue in the world, which was supposed to take the ancient TOU away from the frontal armor?"
      Judging by the video The "curtain" was inactive. And here is a video showing her work.

      "Where is the video?"
      All that I found

      "The article is generally leftist. No analysis, no facts, but a retelling of conjectures and links to The National Interest and the Bulletin of Mordovia. negative[/ quote] "
      I agree with this.
    9. +8
      10 October 2016 10: 49
      Personally, my IMHO.
      After the first video with the hit of the TOU in the T-90 turret, where the DZ worked, the fear of respect for the T-90 increased at least several times in the world, which categorically did not suit our "partners". The Greens got the task to burn and spread the "torches" from the T-90 into the net ... but that's not the task, they fired at the tanks, but the tanks were not penetrable. The Green's tweeters are full of videos of ATGM launches and hits on tanks with a T-90 silhouette, but as a rule, the recordings were immediately interrupted, which indicated that the tank was not destroyed, the battle continued and it made no sense to shoot.
      Be that as it may, the T-90 tanks are actively engaged in combat operations, receive hits, but continue to fight in Syria. If at least one T-90 tank was burned in Syria, its burned island would be shown on all world media.
      In truth, I thought that in a year of intense fighting, the 5-7 burnt T-90s are a good result for the tank and I thought that these losses would be, and then Zero destroyed. T-90 at least deserves the title - the most tenacious tank.
      1. +1
        10 October 2016 10: 54
        The Russian main battle tanks T-72 and T-90 will receive the latest electronic components of the fire control system from the Armata tank: a target tracking machine (ASC) and a computing unit (WB), which allow to destroy enemy military equipment with the very first shot even with XNUMX% accuracy in conditions of zero visibility.
        It is noteworthy that in the NATO countries, ACSs have not been widely used because of the high cost and complexity of introducing new components into existing fire control systems. At the moment, the use of such devices is provided only on promising M1A3 Abrams or Leopard 2 MBT Revolution tanks, while such a system is still not installed on tanks already in service.

        October 10, 2016, http://izvestia.ru/news/636502

        Great news. Something tells me that the modification will be made earlier.
    10. 0
      14 October 2016 09: 15
      Quote: professor

      But what about the "Blind", which has no analogue in the world, which was supposed to take the ancient TOU away from the frontal armor?

      The heartbreaking professor’s bathherd)) But there is a fact - the T-90 has been fighting in Syria for a long time, and we haven’t seen a single video with the obvious destruction of the T-90, but from the videos with the Sabras destroyed you can already mount a mini-series, not a week it passed how the Turks came to them.

      As for the video with three starts on the T-90, I join, where is this to see?
    11. 0
      15 October 2016 09: 19
      But what about the "Blind", which has no analogue in the world, which was supposed to take the ancient TOU away from the frontal armor?
      if ancient TOU is flying by wire, the operator only vises the target in the optical range, if TOU -2 then on the radio channel with sighting in the optical and IR range, that in the first that in the second laser irradiation there is no curtain that worked automatically, but you can activate manually, here the fault of the crew and the actual military guard, who were obliged to see the flash of the shot, but even without the T-90 curtain, was not destroyed, such as the Kornet-Merkava confrontation, the latter are destroyed
  5. +10
    9 October 2016 08: 04
    Here, the venerable forum member professor, is trying to ulcerate about the T90 and the entire article as a whole.
    I have a proposal: let the distinguished professor prepare an analytical article on the advantages and, most importantly, disadvantages of the T90 tank. He is a great "expert" in our technology.
    What am I with
  6. 0
    9 October 2016 08: 08
    three missiles fired is not an indicator of a tank yet ... judging by the article, the arrows were smeared. so what does the tank have to do with it?
    1. +1
      9 October 2016 08: 23
      Mr. complete zero, and you stand that three missiles point blank and the whole tank? Alas, this only happens in fairy tales.
      1. +2
        9 October 2016 08: 43
        Quote: Monarchist
        and you stand that three missiles point blank and the whole tank? Alas, this only happens in fairy tales.

        Why only in fairy tales?
        Modern COEP can provide this.
        Here, for example, how the German system arrives: the main engine torch is detected by UV sensors, the system tries to interfere with the coordinator, if it fails, it creates an aerosol curtain, at this time the tank / IFV crew must move the car.

        Modern active protection systems can provide this. Trite the downing of a flying rocket.

        Modern reconnaissance and target designation tools can provide this. The second-generation PU ATGM leading fire does not have to be hit. Even just fire suppression really, really affects the operator. It’s difficult to keep the mark of the sight on the target when the shells burst around you.
        1. +1
          9 October 2016 13: 39
          Well, okay! The German system licked from the Curtain and the Arena is modern, while the Curtain and the Arena themselves are nonsense?
          Class! Normal such a model of worship before all foreign. Well, yes, stay with your opinion, only do not hang noodles on others ears
          1. +2
            9 October 2016 14: 23
            Quote: Vlad.by
            Well, okay! Slime from the Curtain and Arena

            Uh ... Are you sure "licked"?
            If from what it was licked, it is from aviation COEP. UV detection sensors not only "licked", but came straight from there.
      2. +2
        9 October 2016 10: 44
        Stop! The author wrote that one rocket was blown up without flying, one passed by and one hit a caterpillar. Maybe the shooter is krivoruky? And then, in your opinion, if a blind paralytic shoots at me with Altgeizmer’s disease and doesn’t get hit three times, can I be called SUPERMAN?
      3. +4
        9 October 2016 12: 13
        Oh well ... you sir, in tanks, like I in ballet, tank 205 brigades in Grozny, got 9 shots, ATGMs and RPGs, so it's 72, and nothing, it’s back from the battle under its own power.
        So do not blame the bullshit, if you do not understand what the question is.
        1. +2
          9 October 2016 13: 22
          No, dear sir, he served urgent in armor. True, I did not participate in the database. you again cite an isolated case as a dogma. And what are the total losses of t-72 for the Chechen campaign? At least for the first, at least for the second? Many tanks withstand more than three hits?
          1. 0
            9 October 2016 13: 56
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            he served urgent in armor. True, I did not participate in the database.

            Well, if you did not participate, then keep quiet.
            1. +1
              9 October 2016 14: 04
              And what are you saying to me so sharply? Or is there a gathering of veterans of all wars? The presence of a concussion is a must ... There are enough sofa specialists. Themselves then on what "object" were pleased to serve? Rudeness has never belonged to the benefactor.
        2. +1
          9 October 2016 14: 31
          It's not about that. Some foolishly view the ATGM as a kind of superweapon with a guaranteed hit. This is not true.

          The topic of that hit does not always disable is a separate one. Passive protection also needs to be increased, because not a single active system, neither KOEP, nor KAZ give a 100% guarantee.
  7. +4
    9 October 2016 08: 34
    The most important tank was tested in real combat conditions, I hope our specialists carefully and scrupulously studied all the damage and breakdowns.
    1. +1
      9 October 2016 08: 51
      C'mon, so many wars have already passed with the participation of Soviet / Russian tanks, but there is no special work on errors.
      1. +3
        9 October 2016 16: 37
        Yes, noticeable. No modernizations were carried out, new developments were not presented, we are still driving the T-26 ...
        1. +2
          9 October 2016 18: 06
          Quote: CT-55_11-9009
          Yes, noticeable. No upgrades were carried out, new developments were not presented

          Of course, a bunch of "upgrades" were carried out. And for this business, a large amount of funds "mastered". But.

          - The problem of near-zero situational awareness of the crew solved? No. The commander still continues to hang around the hatch.
          - Is the problem of protection against RPGs and ATGMs solved? No. Damn, "Shtora" is like a beacon for a third-generation ATGM, why is it still installed on tanks? Hope for the nobility of the "exceptional"?
          - Is the problem of non-compliance of the ammo tank with the requirements of local wars solved? No. Moreover, even what has already been developed is not used. There is "Ainet". All Russian tanks have a system integrated into the FCS that ensures the use of these shells without dancing with tambourines? No

          Well and so on ... They can’t solve even the simplest hole problem for each tank. But articles in the media and beautiful brochures on glossy paper are the sea ...
  8. 0
    9 October 2016 08: 51
    An encouraging article!

    If the enemy does not have an air force, then the tanks continue to remain, as in the Second World War, the main striking force!
    1. 0
      9 October 2016 08: 56
      You're not right. In conflicts of low intensity, the main striking force was, is and remains intelligence.
      Well, if the enemy has an air force, then you just need to have a normal air defense of the battlefield. So that tanks remain the basis of combat stability of the units and the firepower of combined arms units.
      1. +1
        15 October 2016 16: 09
        Quote: "... the main striking force was, is and remains intelligence ..." - enchanting idiocy. And you can ask why this intelligence HITS? I, as a sinful thing, considered the only super-specialist on military issues on the prahvesar's website, but I was wrong - Monsieur Lopatov surpassed him. Congratulations.
  9. +7
    9 October 2016 08: 52
    All tanks are on fire. Indestructible machines have not yet been invented. But judging by the fact that out of 3 dozens (according to the author), not one was burned, this is already good.
    Here the question comes up, slippery completely.
    How many motor hours the merkavs spent in Lebanon for the last rally of intimidation, and how many were knocked out / destroyed there.
    How many Abrams were burnt in Iraq as soon as they began to fight with an equal rival in equipment.

    That is, I will formulate the question differently, which of these three tanks lives longer on the battlefield?
    1. 0
      9 October 2016 17: 49
      Quote: demiurg
      which of these three tanks lives longer on the battlefield?

      The one who is lucky!
  10. 0
    9 October 2016 08: 54
    A vivid proof of this was the video filmed near Aleppo that appeared on the web in February this year, demonstrating the attack of militants who used TOW-2A against a Russian tank. The rocket hit the frontal part of the tower. The story with the jubilation of the soldiers abruptly ended after a live crew member appeared from the tank tower.

    Alah akbar!
    Bummer ...
    This member got out and showed something to them, and from this the mood deteriorated even more ...
  11. 0
    9 October 2016 08: 56
    For such wars, an armored self-propelled gun with a 152mm howitzer and a roof fire engine would be more suitable. (a modern analogue of ISU-152. tons up to 60 to bring weight with all types of armor ...
    1. 0
      9 October 2016 10: 57
      There are also DPUs on the 90-ke, but there is not much ammunition for the 152-mm gun in the AZ, nor in the manual ammunition - there is nowhere. The absence of a tower will sharply reduce the possibility of hitting a target, especially in a city.
      1. 0
        9 October 2016 11: 11
        Quote: Forest
        The absence of a tower will sharply reduce the possibility of hitting a target, especially in a city.

        And where is there to turn the tower in the city? Unless the infantry fled ...
        1. 0
          9 October 2016 15: 43
          It is not always possible to shoot forward due to blockages, etc., in any case, you will have to turn to the side streets, in the yards, practicing a fast backache so that the tank is not knocked out.
          1. +1
            9 October 2016 15: 55
            Quote: Forest
            In any case, you will have to turn to the side streets, in the yards, practicing a fast backache so that the tank is not knocked out.

            Substituting the board is exactly the opposite, asking for the tank to be knocked out.

            The first fiddle should be played by the infantry. Correctly withdrawing fire support into position. In the Second World War, not only ISU-152, together with the "bare-assed Ferdinands," were successfully used, but Katyushas were also rolled out for direct fire. Because the infantry knew how to fight in populated areas.
            1. 0
              9 October 2016 21: 01
              That the ISU, that even the more maneuverable SU-122 and -85, Stugs - they were extremely uncomfortable in the city. And there are a lot of situations when you have to leave on board, starting from the street turning to the rubble. In general, such self-propelled guns are the result of simplification and cheaper construction by reducing the number of materials and work. And in World War II, the infantry could not ensure the safety of the armored vehicles completely, and even more so now, when the range of the grenade launchers grew and the ATGMs appeared. But rolling out MLRS for direct fire only from the impossibility of using other equipment was.
              PS Naked Ferdinand - this name was generally given after the war, as it were in the 80's. 76 has nothing to do with the real nickname.
  12. +2
    9 October 2016 09: 25
    Quote: Monarchist
    Mr. complete zero, and you stand that three missiles point blank and the whole tank? Alas, this only happens in fairy tales.

    Well, God forbid (if so), I am not at all against the quality of our technology ... but articles and some TV programs on this subject are very often (how to say that) ... you understand, I think
  13. +3
    9 October 2016 10: 40
    One snowflake is not snow, one rain is not rain ... In the absence of more or less mass application and, accordingly, statistical data, it makes no sense to talk about anything specific. Patriotism, of course, is a positive feeling, but only if it does not develop into Ur-patriotism. From news resources it cannot be concluded that the T-90 is a super tank. Yes, it should not be so - it was created as an everyday workhorse.
  14. +3
    9 October 2016 11: 20
    "For the first time, T-90s were used by Syrian troops in the Aleppo province.
    There are several videos on the Internet that capture the participation
    Russian-made tanks in battles in this region. "////

    The last mention of the T-90 was during the attack on Palmyra ("Mowgli", "Desert Falcons").
    And further to Racca, which abruptly broke. Then they mentioned that
    the tankers on the T-90 "managed to retreat". Which is true - not one fell into the hands of ISIS.

    And after that - how cut off. No more videos.
    Only T-72 and older.
  15. 0
    9 October 2016 12: 00
    The tank is a thing, ours have been keeping a "bump" in this field for a long time, so death to the enemies ...
  16. 0
    9 October 2016 12: 44
    - Shalom! - said the Gray Wolf.
    - Phew ... It seems to have passed, - three little pigs exhaled.
  17. +2
    9 October 2016 14: 09
    Quote: Proxima
    Come down from heaven to earth, Professor! Was it not your colleagues who wrapped terrorist troupes in pig skins and dumped them in the trash so that they would appear before Allah in such a "dress"? What kind of "heaven" is there? Remember, (this is not my opinion), the massive replication of serious crimes occurs only in one case, when the offender is confident of his impunity. This is fully happening in Syria and no "ideology" is out of place here.

    I am just on the ground and am. I am forced to communicate with Arabs every day. Our colleagues have never “wrapped terrorists' troupes in pig skins and dumped them in the trash so that they would appear before Allah in such a“ dress. ”This does not help, but on the contrary makes them angrier. What is the punishment for a suicide bomber? Shoot his remains or else You need a whip (destruction of the parents' house, deportation of the family) and a carrot (good work for those who are not involved).

    Quote: Damir

    יום טוב !!!!! Dear Professor, I am very interested in the desire of the state of Israel to overthrow the legitimate government of the SAR, and then what?

    Israel does not intervene in the civil war in Syria. This is not our war.
    1. +2
      9 October 2016 14: 15
      Yesterday, almost by accident, I heard the broadcast of the radio station “Moscow Says” “LESSON OF RUSSIAN STUDIES” (October 8, Sat 16:05 - 17:00) on the topic “Feat of the Panfilovites. Historical fact or fiction. ”

      Ivanov Ivan # wrote a comment October 9, 2016, 13:56
      fiction of the Bolsheviks for the sheep of Soviet Russia - 26 bureaucratic commissars, 27 Turkmen Red Army soldiers and 28 Panfilov’s followers :))))

      did not reach up to 300 Spartans :))))
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      http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/5499630
      And this one, an Israeli citizen, Alexander Gershanik, a clone of Ivanov, is so often used by your fellow citizens ... why is he interfering in our history in such a dirty howl and way?
      You have a speck in your eyes, you don’t see, but with us, do I have a whole grove?
    2. 0
      9 October 2016 14: 44
      Yes?!??! not interfering!?!?!? http://9tv.co.il/news/2016/07/04/227975.html however, you are sure that the state of Israel will stand ... the region’s strongest well-trained and equipped army is very good, but why do you want get Libya at your borders?! ??! or are you sure that you can control this gang of barmaley when they demolish the ATS ??? and the war is not civilian ....
      1. +1
        9 October 2016 15: 03
        Quote: Damir
        Yes?!??! not interfering!?!?!? http://9tv.co.il/news/2016/07/04/227975.html however, you are sure that the state of Israel will stand ... the region’s strongest well-trained and equipped army is very good, but why do you want get Libya at your borders?! ??! or are you sure that you can control this gang of barmaley when they demolish the ATS ??? and the war is not civilian ....

        It does not interfere. When Syria shells us, it gets an answer. Who will win in Syria in this war is not for us to decide, but for the Syrians. I would prefer that either the Druze or the Christians win, but apparently no one will win.
        Civil war. So even your Foreign Ministry calls it.
        1. +2
          9 October 2016 15: 37
          Thank you for your comment ... but I am not the Foreign Ministry and I do not need to comply with polices ... and when I see how our sworn partners are virtuoso trying to find a mythical opposition to the "Assad regime" among terrorists, and for some reason only barmaley are being sought ... .. and the state of Israel provides them (the United States) with support in the theme "Assad must leave" .... The question arises - Israel decided to stay with IS alone ?????
          1. 0
            9 October 2016 19: 11
            Quote: Damir
            The state of Israel provides them (the US) with support in the theme "Assad must leave" .... The question arises - Israel has decided to stay with IS alone ?????

            Again. This is not our war and we are shouting: "Assad must leave."
            Assad with his army was much worse than the tramp on jeeps with a DShK.
            1. +1
              9 October 2016 20: 54
              Quote: professor
              Assad with his army was much worse than the tramp on jeeps with a DShK.

              Behind their backs are the United States, which creates Daesh
            2. 0
              14 October 2016 21: 43
              Quote: professor
              Assad with his army was much worse than the tramp on jeeps with a DShK.

              maybe it will be from the beginning.
              Then for the last time your yao will save you - in the long run.
              You are right - their ideology is full of strength and prospects, but then - in case of victory - Birobidzhan will remain the only capital for the Jews (I apologize).
    3. +1
      9 October 2016 19: 36
      Quote: professor
      You need a carrot (destruction of the parents' house, deportation of the family) and a carrot (good work for those who are not involved).

      Professor, I do not deny the role of the "carrot", a balanced policy is needed here. True, you cannot overdo it. "They" take it for fawning, as a consequence of weakness. As for ideology, I will give you a small example. Have you ever wondered why the struggle against Basmachism ended precisely in 1939, as if everything had been cut short. The answer is very simple, the British, for obvious reasons, were not up to funding the Basmachi. There was no money supply - and all "ideology" evaporated.
      1. 0
        9 October 2016 20: 31
        Quote: Proxima
        Have you ever wondered why the struggle against Basmachism ended precisely in 1939, as if everything had been cut short. The answer is very simple, the British, for obvious reasons, were not up to funding the Basmachi. There was no money replenishment - and any "ideology" evaporated.

        Nonsense. Basmachi did not disappear anywhere. They just repainted. Basmachi is there today. Communist ideology was powerless.
        1. +1
          9 October 2016 21: 51
          Quote: professor

          Nonsense. Basmachi did not disappear anywhere. They just repainted. Basmachi is there today. Communist ideology was powerless.

          Yes spit on this your ideology. Let these basmachi be dyed, repainted and make themselves makeup. Most importantly, they ceased to kill people. I want to convey this to you in my posts
    4. 0
      11 October 2016 12: 35
      Well, if the logistics and financial supply of some anti-government groups and the fire defeat of the SAR troops does not "interfere", then I am at a loss.
  18. 0
    9 October 2016 14: 20
    How can this be ????? Why not destroyed? It’s necessary to mount a glonas tracking system there in order to calibrate the tank and everyone in the area with a caliber.
  19. +1
    9 October 2016 14: 37
    Quote: Spade
    Live in a refugee camp or live in a refugee camp? Good alternative. It’s clear why they’ll either launch a rocket in gratitude, then they will attack with a knife, then they will start to push the machine ...

    What do you dislike about the refugee camp?

    They throw themselves with little knives for various reasons. Recently, one of them rushed to "wash the honor of the family" by a female relative who had taken her belly up on the side. Saddam Hussein paid the family of each Fylystyn suicide bomber $ 25. This was a huge amount of money. Everyone has their own interests.

    Quote: Spade
    And if not about the "spherical horse", but about the German KOEP, which is already being installed on "Pumas" and "Leopards"?

    Well? How will she interfere with Javelin and his colleagues? Highlight where is the tank?

    Quote: Spade
    Here I am about the same. You need to close the Israel project. Terrorists will get their way and stop being terrorists. Probably.

    Project Israel was not created to fight terrorism. Nevertheless, Israel is fighting terrorism not only with tanks and missiles, but by providing an alternative. During the intifada, for example, in the city of Qalqilya, residents themselves put things in order, as they themselves were tired of them. The residents knew very well about the alternative.
    I periodically pedal on my mountain bike in Judea and Samaria and do it without Apache escort. The alternative for the locals is obvious there - Gaza.

    PS
    Refugee Camp in Samaria:
    1. 0
      9 October 2016 14: 56
      The time will come and Israel will have to buy water - the war for it is ahead.
      1. +1
        9 October 2016 14: 57
        Quote: Vadim237
        The time will come and Israel will have to buy water - the war for it is ahead.

        Today we have an excess of water. Why buy it if we also supply it to neighboring countries?
      2. 0
        9 October 2016 18: 00
        We have built 2 large desalination plants.
        1. 0
          10 October 2016 12: 13
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We have built 2 large desalination plants.

          one of them is not the case in Eilat?
    2. +2
      9 October 2016 15: 46
      Quote: professor
      What do you dislike about the refugee camp?

      I would have believed in this advertising image if Israel did not have to regularly use force against its own citizens formally. If Israel did not have to invest huge amounts of money in systems like the Iron Dome, one must think, designed to prevent "warm thanks" from all the satisfied Palestinians.

      Damn, it's just that I will now lay out the ceremonial pictures of Grozny as an argument confirming the absence of problems with ter. underground in the Caucasus.

      This is all nonsense. And Israel has only two options. Or self-destruct or destroy terrorists. What you are trying to do now is to help them in the hope of gratitude ... ask the Americans, they learned on September 11 how they thank for their help.

      Quote: professor
      Well? How will she interfere with Javelin and his colleagues? Highlight where is the tank?

      No goal, no hit. Initially, change the signature of the target. If the rocket does not bite, interference with the IR sensor. It also will not work, it is an aerosol curtain that is impermeable in the optical, UV, IR and X-ray range, covering the target.

      Quote: professor
      Highlight where is the tank?

      Damn, money for the fish again. Once again: the Soviet "Shtora" is not the only COEP in the world. All systems of protection against MANPADS have been removed from Israeli planes and helicopters long ago, since according to your logic they should not protect, but "highlight"?
      1. 0
        9 October 2016 19: 26
        Quote: Spade
        I would have believed in this advertising image if Israel did not have to regularly use force against its own citizens formally. If Israel did not have to invest huge amounts of money in systems like the Iron Dome, one must think, designed to prevent "warm thanks" from all the satisfied Palestinians.

        The picture is real, not advertising.
        The Philistines are not our citizens, either formally or factually.
        ZhK is one of the two worst things that have happened to Israel in the last 10 years.

        Quote: Spade
        Damn, it's just that I will now lay out the ceremonial pictures of Grozny as an argument confirming the absence of problems with ter. underground in the Caucasus.

        I just showed the refugee camp so that you know what it really is. There were, are and will be problems. Tanks cannot solve them. As in Grozny they were decided not by tanks, but by huge amounts of money. While the money will flow, there will be a change in Chechnya. As soon as their flow runs out, then so bum ...

        Quote: Spade
        This is all nonsense. And Israel has only two options. Or self-destruct or destroy terrorists. What you are trying to do now is to help them in the hope of gratitude ... ask the Americans, they learned on September 11 how they thank for their help.

        Eliminate terrorists. Exactly. But not physically destroying them, but depriving them of the desire to be terrorists by giving them an alternative, and there they will die out. From happiness. wink
        We must fight the roots of terrorism. Here's an example. The hawk Lieberman was not noticed in a special love for the Arabs, but when he became Minister of Defense, he decided to fight the stone throwers ... by building basketball courts for them at the expense of the army. Now the Arabs will have two alternatives out of boredom: play basketball or throw stones at soldiers and receive a "rubber" bullet in the groin.

        Quote: Spade
        No goal, no hit. Initially, change the signature of the target. If the rocket does not bite, interference with the IR sensor. It also will not work, it is an aerosol curtain that is impermeable in the optical, UV, IR and X-ray range, covering the target.

        Change does not work. The maximum on the background of the target appears a bright dot. The dynamic range of modern matrices will cope with saturation.
        Is the aerosol curtain airtight in the optical, UV, IR, and RL ranges? What kind of terrible beast is this? A graphite cloud with uranium inserts luminous in itself?
        Quote: Spade
        Damn, money for the fish again. Once again: the Soviet "Shtora" is not the only COEP in the world. All systems of protection against MANPADS have been removed from Israeli planes and helicopters long ago, since according to your logic they should not protect, but "highlight"?

        Hmm ... lasers appeared on the tanks capable of illuminating the GOS ATGM?
        1. +2
          9 October 2016 21: 12
          Quote: professor
          I just showed the refugee camp so that you know what it really is.

          Oh, my friend, as if it is not clear that I used the expression "refugee camp" in a figurative sense. For you can call it whatever you like. They believe that they have been driven from their own land, and they will never forget it, even if there are toilets made of gold on their reservation.

          Quote: professor
          Change does not work. The maximum on the background of the target appears a bright dot. The dynamic range of modern matrices will cope with saturation.

          At what distance? On the one on which KOEP already shoots the aerosol curtain? I don’t have to hang noodles on my ears. Artillery is angles, angles, and again angles.

          Quote: professor
          Is the aerosol curtain airtight in the optical, UV, IR, and RL ranges? What kind of terrible beast is this? A graphite cloud with uranium inserts luminous in itself?

          Graphite is also possible. Americans use this. The curtain consists of something like feathers made of fibers based on this material. And it glows in the IR range. For this is due to the very principle of installing such curtains.

          Quote: professor
          Hmm ... lasers appeared on the tanks capable of illuminating the GOS ATGM?

          What the fuck is a laser?
          Such a thing is on the "Apache", one must think, "attracting" MANPADS
          1. 0
            9 October 2016 21: 35
            Finely dispersed bronze powder is added to the IR-opaque aerosol, which heats up when shot with a mortar and blocks the thermal visibility of the target for 5-10 seconds (until it cools down).
          2. 0
            10 October 2016 07: 35
            Quote: Spade
            Oh, my friend, as if it is not clear that I used the expression "refugee camp" in a figurative sense. For you can call it whatever you like. They believe that they have been driven from their own land, and they will never forget it, even if there are toilets made of gold on their reservation.

            You are not up to date. They do not think so and did not think so. The Fylystynts were generally invented in the Lubyanka. Prior to this, Palestinians called Jews like Golda Meir. Local Arabs want to live well and they need all these songs about Fylystyn. 2 million Israeli Arabs are an example. Of course, like everywhere else, among them there are black sheep. They are trying to stir up the mind.

            Quote: Spade
            At what distance? On the one on which KOEP already shoots the aerosol curtain? I don’t have to hang noodles on my ears. Artillery is angles, angles, and again angles.

            At any distance. It used to be possible to easily illuminate the CCD matrix. Today, this trick does not work. Highlight a few pixels and the target will be hit.
            Here you have the corners, corners and corners.

            Quote: Spade
            Graphite is also possible. Americans use this. The curtain consists of something like feathers made of fibers based on this material. And it glows in the IR range. For this is due to the very principle of installing such curtains.

            Even if such veils existed in nature, their setting could no longer help the tank. The ATGM will fly to the tank by inertial unless of course at its helm is not Schumacher, but the tank itself is not a Ferrari.

            Quote: Spade
            What the fuck is a laser?
            Such a thing is on the "Apache", one must think, "attracting" MANPADS

            Tree sticks. This dinosaur only works against a GOS that requires a permanent signature. More or less, he worked against the first MANPADS. It is not a hindrance to modern MANPADS, therefore, they began to install expensive laser systems such as "President" or C-Music. "For the seeker of a modern ATGM, it is not at all an obstacle. The seeker does not rotate on them and it is not necessary to synchronize it with anything. , not a stain like on MANPADS.
            Anyway, this is who wrote: Damn, "Shtora" is like a beacon for a third-generation ATGM, why is it still installed on tanks?
            There is no KOEP on a tank yet capable of "hiding" a tank from a modern ATGM. hi
        2. 0
          15 October 2016 09: 54
          Hmm ... lasers appeared on the tanks capable of illuminating the GOS ATGM?
          No, the tanks now have an EOS of the aviation Lipa type. The elements of which are included in the Curtain, the Lipa is a heating element and a system of rotating lenses, which creates a pulsed stream of continuously moving infrared rays around, causing the rocket tracking system to swing. A rocket with an IR seeker rushes like mad and explodes in the wrong place.
          The efficiency of the system is close to 1. so that the ATGM operators with passive L-guidance or with active IR-guidance will be disappointed
    3. +4
      9 October 2016 20: 18
      As soon as the quilted jacket did not come to the site one day, the professor immediately flunked it with his fantasies lol .
      Quote: professor
      What do you dislike about the refugee camp?


      No need to deceive the members of the forum, this is not a "refugee" camp, this is the Jewish city of Ashdod. Pictures of this place can be seen on the links below:
      Ashdod
      http://zemlya-obetovannaya.blogspot.ru/2015/03/bl
      og-post_28.html
      Night Ashdod
      http://il.worldmapz.com/photo/32635_ru.htm
      And in your second picture, not Palestinian houses, but settlements illegally built by Jews on Arab lands
      .
      Quote: professor
      Israel does not intervene in the civil war in Syria. This is not our war.

      Yes, Israel does not intervene at all smile Only regularly bombing the Syrian government army that is helps terrorists.
      Quote: professor
      Such an alternative is the present-day Germany, which does not host the "German Marches".

      Yeah, in today's Germany, neo-Nazi marches take place with increasingly enviable regularity.
      Neo-Nazis staged a fiery procession in Bavaria in honor of the dead Nazis in World War II


      And here is the procession of the Israeli Nazis who, with shouts - "Death to the Arabs", under the protection of the Israeli police marched across Jerusalem.

      In addition to the chants “Death to the Arabs”, the repertoire of chants and songs of the march participants included “Revenge!”, “Let your names be forgotten!”, “Let your villages burn!” and other anti-Muslim calls heard well by representatives of the police and occupation authorities.
      http://mixednews.ru/archives/77937
  20. 0
    9 October 2016 21: 05
    Quote: professor
    Israel does not fight tanks with a hostile ideology. We have already passed this stage. We also agree with the Fylists.
    Results on the face.

    Yes yes yes agreed lol
    Allowed to publish the name of the terrorist who committed the attack in Jerusalem
    The name of the terrorist who committed an armed attack in the Jerusalem area on the morning of October 9 (2016) was given. It turned out to be 39-year-old Musbah Abu Sabih, a resident of the Arab quarter, Sylvan with an Israeli passport.
    Around 10:15 in the morning, the terrorist drove up in a white car to a tram stop on Chaim Bar-Lev Boulevard (Route 60), located near the Central Police Headquarters, and opened fire on people.
    http://newsru.co.il/israel/09oct2016/name_108.htm
    l
  21. 0
    9 October 2016 21: 18
    Quote: professor
    We agree with the neighbors whenever possible. Peace with Jordan and Egypt

    The United States "reconciled" you with Egypt, or rather, with its President Sadat, and even then apparently for a bribe, after all, after this agreement for which, by the way, Sadat was killed, the United States began to pay both Egypt and Israel 3 billion dollars a year.
    In Jordan, only the monarch of this country concluded an agreement with you, the simple people of the country of Jews and Israel hates like the people of Egypt.
    The Bedouins urge the King of Jordan to start a war for the "liberation of Jerusalem."
    More than fifty leaders of the Bedouin communities issued a joint statement calling on King Abdullah II of Jordan to create a “people's militia,” which, along with the Jordanian army, will “free Jerusalem”.
    http://cursorinfo.co.il/news/novosti1/2015/10/27/
    beduini-izrailya-prizivayut-korolya-jordanii-nach
    at-voynu-za-osvobozhdenie-ierusalima /
  22. 0
    10 October 2016 09: 44
    For urban battles, the tank gun is redundant in energy, and the 125mm RP charge is insufficient. need a 152 mm gun. Together with the modern tank control system, the accuracy will be impressive, as will the destruction of the 152mm HE shell. ATGMs of this caliber are also deadly for modern tanks.
  23. 0
    13 October 2016 08: 32
    Indicative are also shots that show how the T-90 can withstand the hit of three missiles. According to the participants in the battle, the terrorists first fired one missile at the machine, then two more. The first exploded on the approach, the second slightly damaged the track, and the third completely passed by.


    This five.
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    14 October 2016 15: 02
    It turns out that no, super modernization of the T-72 could not be better than the T-90? And why the hell is our army saturated with these modifications, and this car goes to the Indians, then to the others ...? Armata does not count, it is a specific tank, and the T-90 should be the main one!