Tank duel. New teaching methods

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We were at the new / old training ground of the 10th Guards tank Ural-Lviv Order of the October Revolution, Red Banner, Orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov Volunteer Division named after Marshal of the Soviet Union R. Y. Malinovsky.



Only not in Boguchar, at the place of permanent deployment, but near Voronezh. What surprised us a little.

However, further consideration of the issue put points where necessary. The division range near Boguchar is rather small and does not allow for full-scale exercises. It would be possible to kill a bit of land, but to give the fat southern black soil for skating on tanks and shooting ... It is wasteful, in short. And a different path was found.

The place was found on the other side of the airfield in Pogonovo, which we simply called “bombodrom”. Until recently, even Aviadarts qualifying competitions were held there. And now on the one hand there will be pilots with their own economy, on the other - tankers. And they will shoot in one place. In the middle. The benefit of targets there is enough. And the soil is comfortable - sand. The photo will be seen.

So the ground is old, the owners are new. But settle down. Already brought vehicles, tanks, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns and other things.

Now about the method of tank duel. Invented it back in 2010 year. The essence is this: one tank is masked on the ground, and stands in ambush. The second, with security, moves around the landfill. Whoever first finds the enemy and makes a shot wins.

On the one hand, everything is simple. On the other - a bunch of nuances. Starting from the unmasking of dust on the sand and ending with the use of modern means of aiming. In short, the main task is “not to sleep”.

Tank duel could go into training before. But the tank biathlon prevented. It seems like training, too, and shooting in combat. And the question of TD was set aside.

However, Donbass and Syria showed that such training is needed. And it was decided to return to the idea of ​​TD. It is a pity, only that they did not have time to develop special projectiles for carrying out this technique. Work began, but naturally, as soon as the idea stalled, the development of the projectile was abandoned. The ideas were not bad, and rubber, plastics, and even polypropylene were tested. Perhaps it will be finalized.

So, how was the training. It all started with the preparation of technology, of course. And in general, the people serving as if all was in business.

Someone studied materiel.





Someone was engaged in useful and healthy army work.



Someone was preparing the technique for the upcoming process of learning and consolidation.










With "tutorials" problems were observed. The guys then proudly told us that in three weeks, that they were there, about a thousand shells were fired.

By the way, pay attention to what tankers go to. Generally, surprisingly, only six months ago, it was decided to return the black overalls to the tank crews - and, behold, we see them on the fighters.

The process began with the usual firing. Tanks drove to equipped positions and fired at targets from guns and machine guns.









With KP, the process was controlled by a fair number of observers.





Then, who shot in order of priority went into the field. Someone was ambushed, someone was searching for those sitting in ambush. Naturally, recharging idle shots.







Then everything was easy. Some cut across the field in search of the enemy, others waited in ambush. Finding the desired, followed by a report on the CP and a blank shot.


The tank, which was looking for an ambush, followed with security. As it should be.


Rumble, smoke and dust enough. Fighters on the whole coil used smoke grenades.


And security also made its contribution.




Although often when performing a maneuver of departure and smoke was not needed at all. There was enough dust that the tank at the speed raised caterpillars.















In general, what he saw left an impression of a well-understood process. It was difficult for us to find out who executed the task, as we were located approximately in the middle of the test site. And it was really possible to see everything only in the most powerful optics with gearboxes. So we focused on the women. But just want to say that the ambush was not always the first to have time.

In general, the command clearly remained pretty. We, too. And when we were about to leave, the fighters from the crews approached, whom we met at the field exit in Boguchar and asked: "Well, how do you? Did you like it?"

And how can you not like it?



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  1. +6
    7 October 2016 06: 09
    It is interesting, but the monitoring devices available on this technique have very limited capabilities for detecting such ambushes, it would be necessary to train tankers in joint operations with reconnaissance UAVs.
    1. +5
      7 October 2016 08: 30
      Quote: svp67
      It is interesting, but the monitoring devices available on this technique have very limited capabilities for detecting such ambushes, it would be necessary to train tankers in joint operations with reconnaissance UAVs.

      Sergey, removed from the tongue.
      hi
      What sight did the gunner shoot from Sosny-U or TPD-K1?
      How to the commanders of TKN-3?
      Here is what is interesting.
      ...........

      A practical blank was always fired at targets on a tank directrix.
      And various "fun starts" were organized on a tactical training field using charges in the form of a blank shot and without any targets.
      1. +1
        7 October 2016 12: 49
        Alex hi
        Quote: Aleks tv
        What sight did the gunner shoot from Sosny-U or TPD-K1?
        How to the commanders of TKN-3?
        Well, they can shoot from whatever they want, but I'm more interested in how they detected these ambushes? Using the capabilities of the "Pine" or something else? After all, it is clear that a tank in an ambush has more chances to survive in a battle, to suppress it, let alone destroy it, it is required that the attackers have an advantage of at least 1 to 3, and preferably 1 to 5. And who will give us now to attack like that , especially since our "partners" are also full of ATGMs, which also need to be timely identified and destroyed ...
      2. +5
        7 October 2016 15: 55
        My regards! hi
        I completely agree that it is better to detect various kinds of ambushes in advance and out of reach of their fire. For this, there are intelligence agencies, including UAVs. There can be no duel here, and one "embarrassment" with the loss of equipment and l / s of which examples are innumerable.
        In addition, it is possible to "cut" on the training ground, with certain restrictions, only on the tactical training field, on the director only along the tracks.
        So, the actions of the tank and the armored personnel carrier (what is it guarding there?) Resemble tactical exercises on the mat. The duel here is for a red word.
        But I am glad that they began to engage in combat training on Pogonovo.
        True, I don’t know if it is possible to shoot there on the fly, especially regular ones. From the direction of the director, the area is quite densely populated ... and some weakly negligent tankers turn towers during firing, especially at night, and turn to position 60-00 wassat (in the stern), and even shoot!
    2. +1
      7 October 2016 09: 27
      Quote: svp67
      it would be necessary to train tankers in joint operations with reconnaissance UAVs.

      Tank crews cannot directly interact with UAVs. The commander’s brains will boil, not all of them are Julia Caesari’s tea
      1. 0
        7 October 2016 12: 51
        Quote: Spade
        Tank crews cannot directly interact with UAVs. The commander’s brains will boil, not all of them are Julia Caesari’s tea

        As far as I know, when modernizing tanks, commanders have a so-called "tactical tablet", on which information from reconnaissance UAVs is displayed. Should commanders learn to use them to the fullest?
        1. +3
          7 October 2016 15: 41
          Learn, not study, what's the difference. In battle, this function will not be in demand.
          The picture from drones must be monitored constantly. Moreover, it must be interpreted, targets must be identified and reset to commanders in the form of target designation. But the latter really needs to be taught. A very and very complicated thing. And transmit correctly and receive correctly.
          Otherwise, nonsense will come out, like the Ukrainian tankers.
  2. PKK
    +1
    7 October 2016 06: 43
    Good guys, the main thing is that they study. And without a tank duel, there will be no full-fledged training.
    In Soviet times, during the exercises, the tanks followed the infantry. The tank commander found two old loaves of bread on the combat unit. The loaf immediately went into the barrel, closed with an empty charge and flopped, then the second loaf flew over the heads of the advancing infantry. They say the whistle was unusual and the showdown was serious, but they didn’t know who was shooting.
    While they are thinking about training equipment, chopping wood blanks for a tank duel is quite suitable.
    1. +5
      7 October 2016 07: 20
      06.43. PKK! Rather, it is gelatinous or gelatinized. Then the hit will be clearly visible. The main thing is that people all sit in tanks. Otherwise, he’ll kill someone.
      1. 0
        7 October 2016 08: 43
        What for? A simple block of an inertial navigation system and a program that can run on an old computer. And the tankers will receive a system that can not only determine "hit / miss", but also take into account the conditions of fire and dispersion. If you feel sorry for the money for a normal matbase.
        1. +1
          7 October 2016 10: 10
          Yes and so there is LISP, what else to invent?
          Just because of inertia and gagging, they don’t even want to use such a system, say, oh, oh, it’s expensive, we’ll suddenly break it.
          I knew such a woeful commander, Mishka Kolpakov ... somewhere in the Crimea a downed pilot hangs around, burned up at 1010 and 400 orders ..
          1. +3
            7 October 2016 10: 46
            LISP for the tank - the thing is excessively complex. At least for a tank gun. If he must take into account the elevation angle, the projectile flight, the speed and the vector of the target’s movement and so on ... Let the infantry rifle remain.

            This is all easier to do through Big Brother, since modern systems for global positioning allow Ethol.

            With a blank shot, the tank transfers its coordinates, elevation angle and directional axis of the barrel bore to the Big Brother. The BB knows the coordinates and vector of the target. as well as its speed. The big problem is to take into account the projectile flight, meteo, dispersion and make a hit / miss verdict no. Fortunately, this algorithm has long been implemented in a bunch of computer games.
            1. +1
              7 October 2016 11: 10
              Yes?
              Well, what’s redundant there? Dozens of damage sensors is redundant? Is the instrument part for combining, so to say, real shooting with virtual one, an unbearable burden?
              Well, in that case, it’s fine for a grenade launcher. In order not to spoil the RPG, give explosive packets instead of inert ones, and use a shovel grudge instead of a PG, it’s indicative, really, and hits the forehead with an indiscreet mechanic’s driver until he becomes unconscious if he doesn’t drive the vehicle, but how march.
              The same thing for tankers, from a frozen loaf of bread to an aspen chock instead of a shell, cheap, practical and real .. the main thing is not to enter on board an APC or BMP = it will break to hell and the crew will beat.
              In general, shooting at standard targets is good, but tactics with shooting, including as suggested, are completely different, much closer to the realities of the battle.
              Remember, if from time to time you conduct classes with a soldier according to the method from one edge of the field to the other, hurling and attacking, the result is ZERO, you drive people, you really don’t teach anything, but you should use imitation, from blank cartridges to explosive packets, from IM 82,100 covered in advance by an engineer to simulate artillery raids, everything is different.
              This was done in the GSVG, it was done in 42 AK, though not everywhere, it was done in 58 A, however, it is worth recognizing that the eternal nagging of all krivopravozashchitniks and educational structures, say oh, oh, it’s traumatic, was pretty much in the way. And experience has shown conducting such classes saves human lives afterwards, in a real battle.
              At 42 MRD, in ostentatious classes, the show was held as close as possible to the combat ones, so one of the higher generals, Verbitsky, if memory did not refuse, then said, this is to the question of fools in stripes, everything is not so, a tank in the city must go ahead of the infantry. . he had thick armor and a cannon wow ... it was a rare sight when from the division commander to the lieutenant this "commander" was looked at as a frank goet.
      2. +3
        7 October 2016 15: 43
        Give Tank Paintball to the masses wink And what an idea, oh, how good)))
      3. +1
        10 October 2016 00: 28
        34 region

        Why? laughing These are yellowball paintballs, shells. There, the ball’s speed is not high. And in the tank barrel will tear.
        In general, it makes no sense to simulate a shot towards the enemy. It is much more reasonable to shoot the target away from the enemy, away from the opponent when it is detected. I found the enemy, a shot at a target at the other end of the range. Hit the target, hit the enemy. On the other hand, the side is in an ambush, rushing to fire a shot at its target and begins to maneuver. Simulates the departure from the line of sight.

        But all this makes sense only after practicing tactics on tank simulators. And so that life in the classrooms does not seem to be honey, the losers of the battle on tank simulators are encouraged by a run with tank rinks.

        Moreover, it is important to have good scripts of tank simulators tied to real landscapes.

        And further. The commander is obliged to monitor the tactical display. If this task takes a decent effort from the commander, it means that the software for this display is unsuccessful. It is necessary to require revision. The tactical map should be readable in half a second. If it takes more, then let the programmers work.
    2. +2
      7 October 2016 08: 36
      Quote: PKK
      Good guys, the main thing is that they study. And without a tank duel, there will be no full-fledged training.
      In Soviet times, during the exercises, the tanks followed the infantry. The tank commander found two old loaves of bread on the combat unit. The loaf immediately went into the barrel, closed with an empty charge and flopped, then the second loaf flew over the heads of the advancing infantry. They say the whistle was unusual and the showdown was serious, but they didn’t know who was shooting.
      While they are thinking about training equipment, chopping wood blanks for a tank duel is quite suitable.

      Do not shove anything that fell into the barrel.
      Not worth it. For this, pranksters can tear off any extra parts of the body, and rightly so.
      And do not believe the tales.
      1. +1
        7 October 2016 10: 07
        Quote: Aleks tv
        And do not believe the tales.

        Hi Lesh. Old tank bike. I was told how tankers felled trees with loaves laughing , and that in the trunk of the T-72 is placed a box of vodka drinks
    3. +3
      7 October 2016 16: 02
      Quote: PKK
      , then the second roll flew over the heads of the advancing infantry.

      "The sick with reason are infinite (they) shake the masses"
      A.V. Suvorov
      This idiot could well have killed or crippled a soldier in a chain. It’s a pity that they didn’t get it. angry
      And for bilateral exercises, laser imitators of shooting and destruction were created long ago, but something was stalled.
      Maybe Shoigu will resume.
  3. +3
    7 October 2016 07: 59
    ... "The range of the division near Boguchar is rather small and does not allow full-scale exercises."
    _______________________

    -My God, when you read this ... -just evil takes ... -In Russia there is so little land suitable for landfills ..? -And where does the black earth ..? -There is no other land in Russia ..?
    -How much can be so trifled ..? -Let's reduce the area of ​​the polygons ... or make all the training virtual ...
    -Or we will rent land for landfills on the island of Great Britain or rent land for landfills from Japan on the islands: about. Honshu about. Hokkaido about. Kyushu; about. Shikoku and so on ... -Or in Taiwan or New Zealand ...
    - Actually ... - What is this ..? -All "cheaper" I want to "crank" and everything "for free" ... and still plunder half of it ... -And then say .. that, they say - "unfortunately not taken into account ... then- this and that ... and that in practice it turned out ... - just no one expected that ... and so on ... "
    -And when this "practice" suddenly really takes place ... -As always ... just shrug and scratch turnips ... and ... and dig graves ...
    1. +2
      7 October 2016 08: 51
      Quote: olena
      ... "The range of the division near Boguchar is rather small and does not allow full-scale exercises."
      _______________________

      -My God, when you read this ... -just evil takes ... -In Russia there is so little land suitable for landfills ..? -And where does the black earth ..? -There is no other land in Russia ..?
      -How much can be so trifled ..? -Let's reduce the area of ​​the polygons ... or make all the training virtual ...
      -Or we will rent land for landfills on the island of Great Britain or rent land for landfills from Japan on the islands: about. Honshu about. Hokkaido about. Kyushu; about. Shikoku and so on ... -Or in Taiwan or New Zealand ...
      - Actually ... - What is this ..? -All "cheaper" I want to "crank" and everything "for free" ... and still plunder half of it ... -And then say .. that, they say - "unfortunately not taken into account ... then- this and that ... and that in practice it turned out ... - just no one expected that ... and so on ... "
      -And when this "practice" suddenly really takes place ... -As always ... just shrug and scratch turnips ... and ... and dig graves ...

      Very long and sincere comment.
      Very correct and good words.
      But, excuse me, this is ... not at all what is needed in this case.
      Out of place.
      Alas.

      The Classical Training Center is always located as close to the PDP and the fleet as possible.
      EVERYTHING is done on it.
      But tankers and artillery are not always able to fire standard shots at the CA. This may be a restriction on the territory of the landfill, or maybe people get in the way, who live not far ... There are all kinds of cities underfoot. )))
      You just can’t imagine what the Native shooting of large caliber is and what are the requirements for it.
      And if the art begins to mock BATTLES from closed firing positions, then in general - extinguish the light, drain the oil.)))
      ..........
      But Chernozem should not be scattered, it should be protected if possible.
      1. +4
        7 October 2016 09: 17
        Welcome.

        Quote: Aleks tv
        And if the art begins to mock BATTLES from closed firing positions, then in general - extinguish the light, drain the oil.)))

        Only "boilers", of which there are not so many left in Russia. The problem is addiction. At the senior school, I remembered by heart the coordinates of most of not only landmarks, but also local subjects. This is not very similar to real databases.
        I think tankers have the same problems. Especially with frequent firing with full-time and with extra.
  4. +5
    7 October 2016 08: 38
    NATO members probably laugh at this. For them, the conventional oncoming tank "battle" of company against company is not something experimental or breakthrough.

    But on the other hand, the movement in the right direction. Only bilateral classes and exercises can truly raise the level of training.

    One thing is not clear, why is everything so technically poor? Where are the laser firing and hitting simulators? Did you spend all the damn money on the "tank biathlon" show? Observers with not even old, ancient DSs are ...
    1. +3
      7 October 2016 08: 56
      Quote: Spade
      NATO members probably laugh at this. For them, the conventional oncoming tank "battle" of company against company is not something experimental or breakthrough.

      But on the other hand, the movement in the right direction. Only bilateral classes and exercises can truly raise the level of training.

      Greetings. Glad to hear that.
      hi
      Absolutely.
      A part of past achievements is being returned, a new one is being introduced.
      In some places they have already begun to fight in the city.
      And rightly so.
  5. +3
    7 October 2016 08: 46
    I see the initial flaw in the training of crews, although it’s certainly easier to detect an ambush visually directly, so to speak, but in war you won’t fight with pretense,
    1. +1
      7 October 2016 09: 03
      Quote: guzik007
      I see the initial flaw in the training of crews, although it’s certainly easier to detect an ambush visually directly, so to speak, but in war you won’t fight with pretense,

      And you were not for fun?
      I’ll call the guys and upset them that they didn’t work correctly - sometimes with open hatches.)))
      In that ...
      lol
      1. +2
        7 October 2016 19: 12
        Alexey, recklessness is not a reason for pride. In my commentary, I only expressed bewilderment about this show. The entire experience of the Second World War suggests that fighting with an open hatch in a tank is a deliberate loss of crew and failure to complete the task. And dukhar here like, "only mountains are steeper than us" is at least stupid. - one aimed shot at the hatch, and the legs of the lieutenant with half of the intestines will slide into the fighting compartment, demoralizing the crew, while the chest section with the remnants of the brain will creep down the stern
        To train the crews, in my opinion, the purely amateurish opinion of the former castle factory of the pontoon company of a separate engineer-sapper battalion should be as close as possible to the combat situation.
        1. +1
          7 October 2016 20: 35
          Quote: guzik007
          Alexey, recklessness, is not a reason for pride. In my commentary, I only expressed bewilderment about this show. The entire experience of the Second World War suggests that fighting with an open hatch in a tank is a deliberate loss of crew and failure to complete the task. And dukhar here like, "only mountains are steeper than us" is at least stupid

          You do not quite understand what, in fact, we are talking about. No torn vests, heel in the chest ...
          The fact is that at the moment no army in the world is armed with the means that provide the same situational awareness to the commander as sticking out of the hatch. So even the commander of the "Merkava", hung with video cameras like a yard terrier with fleas, prefers to follow the situation with his own eyes.

          And in our country this problem is especially acute. And the commander sticks out of the hatch not because he considers himself mega-steep, not because "only mountains are steeper than us", but because he simply won't see anything from under the armor.
          There was a real case during the New Year "assault" of Grozny. Battalion 693 regiment, like most of the columns of other units, flew into a fire bag during a march / parade through the streets. Almost panic, attempts at independent rescue with near-zero situational awareness ... The regiment commander ordered "commanders out of the hatches", and got out first. Result - the column was pulled back. These are the pies ...
          1. +2
            7 October 2016 20: 44
            This is Kozlov Oleg Aleksandrovich who commanded that regiment, right?
            And near the circus, if you remember, the crew died because it was the commander from the hatch who looked out for the situation, and there the RPG got there ... the epaulettes and the brush were just found ..
            1. +3
              7 October 2016 21: 30
              Quote: The Bloodthirster
              This is Kozlov Oleg Aleksandrovich who commanded that regiment, right?
              And near the circus, if you remember, the crew died because it was the commander from the hatch who looked out for the situation, and there the RPG got there ... the epaulettes and the brush were just found ..

              It was not with me. In those days, I happily trampled the parade ground of my native bursa. It's just that senior comrades actively hammered this combat experience in us. Believing that a second war is inevitable, and we will definitely get there. This is somewhere in Russia as lucky. And in the 19th division, no options.

              I'm not saying sticking out of the hatch is good. Coercive measure due to deficiencies in technology. And yes, it’s dangerous. Even without the influence of the enemy.
              Well guessed tank barrels to turn sideways. When we were passing from Bamut to Urus, in OPTADN the commander of the gun caught the barrel of the Rapier going ahead. So much so that the hatch stopper broke. Twilight, the dumbest organization of the march, sleepy mechanics ... I just didn't have time to slow down. A terrible thing. Thanks to the Vladikavkaz doctors, only a disability, it didn't look like it would survive.
            2. 0
              7 October 2016 21: 43
              Quote: Spade
              It's just that senior comrades actively hammered this combat experience in us. Believing that a second war is inevitable, and we will definitely get there. This is somewhere in Russia as lucky. And in the 19th division, no options.

              Since what year in 693? Or artillery regiment, 292?
              Those events were practically in front of my eyes.
              On the march when the trunk was buried, yes. I remember there was such a case, the divisional officer yelled like a knife at a meeting.
              And the fact that I had to crush the combat experience ... yes, it didn’t work out differently, especially in those years and especially when after 1 company, due to the mess and treachery, many good officers left the units.
              But the same, knowing their business, the same kmbat 1 SME, Kaloev, now general, came forward. Komroty 8 Kolosov Oleg, there was a commander in the Far East, so that bloody experience was worth a lot ...
              At the expense of organizing marches .. yeah, there was enough confusion when all the wheels and tracks were driven along the same route ... From such organization and guarding of the routes, we have the zapompolkot, Starodubtsev, the organizer of the Terek Cossacks in 93, died in 1994, in a mine, laid a hundred meters from the VVeshny block ... at Assinovskaya at the crossing.
  6. +1
    7 October 2016 08: 50
    That's what revived the legendary 10th division (during the war years - the Ural Volunteer Tank Corps) thanks a lot. Special thanks for returning black overalls to our brother tanker. Children success in life and combat training.
    1. 2-0
      0
      7 October 2016 10: 50
      ABOUT! Due to the quiet sadness in the army, the divisions again and again ... Well, nothing, the minister will change, or the situation - there again he will reach the battalions.
      Tudy-syudy-back ..............
  7. +1
    7 October 2016 08: 59
    Well done! Such a study is very useful. And something like a tank laser tag? Not too impressive, but in principle it should be effective ..
  8. +2
    7 October 2016 10: 38
    Well, thank God! Normal learning, not window dressing. Oh! The complex would work ... A column of mixed composition, as in life, motorized rifles on their armor and tanks, conditional narrow defile or other restrictions. With GPZ, a reflection of a sudden attack, the evacuation of wrecked equipment and the wounded. In short, to prevent the enemy from succeeding, like Zinoviy Kolobanov.
    PS I know what the tank guys from Kamenka, in the LO, will read. Please do not throw your boobs at the training ground. :) And then the unarmed youth, knowing from such photos about their existence, begins to kick them, and in that area on the training ground and around they lie mixed with the fighting times of the Soviet-Finnish and Great Patriotic War, which they do not distinguish. :)) I stopped it, such lads, tossing for a beautiful photo a 152-mm high-explosive fragmentation. :)))
  9. +3
    7 October 2016 10: 39
    That's right, the exercises need to be carried out in a variant as close as possible to the combat situation. The aircraft are moving in the right direction.
    But blanks are needed, it’s not the fact of taking a shot and a blank shot that is very important, but rather a hit, that in a combat situation the tanker could get into vulnerable places, etc.
    To create missiles for the ATGM without a warhead, to fire at them tanks, so in a combat situation it will be seen how the tank protection and the crew’s actions work ...
    But in general it is necessary to build entire training ground cities and constantly conduct combat training exercises in them, with the involvement of all military branches
  10. 0
    7 October 2016 12: 35
    Straight again wanted to serve. For one and a year's rest from the family)
  11. +3
    7 October 2016 15: 52
    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    Yes?
    Well, what’s redundant there? Dozens of damage sensors is redundant? Is the instrument part for combining, so to say, real shooting with virtual one, an unbearable burden?

    Yes, the instrument part for combining real shooting with virtual is already an unbearable burden. For example, to take into account the flight of the projectile, and therefore pre-emption, is almost impossible. And it turns out that the gunners will be accustomed to shoot without preemption, which is not very good.

    Now pure LISPs are outliving their age. Even in the shooter. Due to the fact that they contribute to the acquisition of the wrong skills. All new systems operate under external computer control
    1. +2
      7 October 2016 22: 24
      Yes, even if they did, at least something, and not be biased by biathlon.
      The troops must be taught what is necessary in the war, and not tank corps de ballet.
      They taught in the GSVG, they taught well, the komzvoda knew exactly which object and in which quarter and how, in Western Berlin.
      For example, have the DUCs not yet been forgotten, in Daryal? And the TUC, Tarskoe?
      There would be money to improve the base, but polygon teams, such as necessary. And not truncated to almost zero ..
      There are many places ... but they don’t teach how to fight in the mountains, really. So, what?
      You can’t call the scouts ’exits into the mountains, supposedly for practicing tasks, turning into just a hike, they got up, down, and where are the tactics of the units, where is the search refinement, where the opposition pattern does not change, they got up, down.
      And there, in the training center, you can also teach gunners, even mortars, just what skill is needed for action in the mountains. In a training center and self-propelled guns easily.
  12. +2
    7 October 2016 20: 11
    Absolutely old-fashioned methods. What are idle shots?
    Only dips and misses are relevant in a duel. They can be simulated
    laser range finder.
  13. 0
    7 October 2016 22: 13
    Great, it's a pity there was no such training before.
    I would love to learn in due time.
    The thing is very useful.
  14. +1
    7 October 2016 22: 17
    The 10th Guards Tank Ural-Lviv Order of the October Revolution, Red Banner, Orders of Suvorov and Kutuzov of the Volunteer Division named after Marshal of the Soviet Union R. Y. Malinovsky.
    It’s interesting to read a good photo report and comments. I wish the 10th Guards with such a steel stronghold to guard the Motherland, to be called Lviv twice in the future (I feel that Ukrainian curators will not calm down just like that ...).
    Well, I want to wish the divisor to grow up to the rank of Marshal of the USSR armored forces soldier
    P.S. Well, why would Russia sleep peacefully, its tank guard must necessarily lodge in some lousy Altengrabov ....
  15. 0
    7 October 2016 22: 29
    Well, I don’t know if I see under the author’s article: Roman Skomorokhov is always interesting, and also, most importantly, it’s true !!! I think, Roman, to make the main (if suddenly, he is not such) correspondent of military review! soldier
  16. +1
    7 October 2016 22: 34
    Bloodsucker,
    Kaloev? Creepy uncle. In Mozdok, I put things in order, so much so that the Vladikavkaz lieutenants were scared of being sent there for re-education. 8)))) I didn’t think that he would make a career, he didn’t want to leave the North Ossetia too. It was because of this that he sat on the shelf, at least there were such rumors

    Quote: The Bloodthirster
    At the expense of organizing marches .. yes, there was enough confusion when all the wheels and tracks were driven along the same route ...

    It was even worse there. We went around Achkhoy from the south. The track is purely goose. Some sites are like a goose on Tarskoe from Shalhov. According to Kambileevka which. Many wheels, many rears. Communication, rebel ... and so on. Long column. From the infantry - only 1 / 503rd. Who walked in a column, and did not keep the route. Although the "Afghan" option just suggested itself. As a result, everyone huddles together, a constant "accordion" ... And a whole general commands all this. I don’t remember the last name, it’s like from the district. In short, almost one-on-one Khrulev's column in South Ossetia. Well, they didn’t attack us then;
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      7 October 2016 22: 58
      An excellent regiment commander, everything is just like in the SA, according to the charter. Lies and stupid people could not stand it.
      He made his career, not least because of his intelligence and military talent. Combat 1 in 1 company fought skillfully.
      Well ... the surname of the general, to hell with him, we have such a unique question, and communication frequencies, callsigns? CALL my UAZ number 003, they will understand.
      And the cards? What’s the map for you, don’t you know the road. So, they issued it in Grozny in 95, in the middle of January ..
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    7 October 2016 23: 02
    Guys, do not judge strictly ... But this is how we become professionals:
    and without it, no way ... And rightly so. This method can never be mastered by the states ...
  18. +1
    10 October 2016 00: 10
    One thing I don’t understand is why they introduced black overalls again. The Germans have introduced camouflage patterns into the domestic one. Even our tankers (judging by their memoirs) used German "maskrubahs". I suppose that stains from fuels and lubricants were not visible
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    11 October 2016 13: 52
    Thanks for the interesting review!