Airbus A400M Atlas "tired" before the start. Replace with An-70?

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Just over a year ago, on May 9, near Seville, the military transport aircraft Airbus A2015M Atlas fell. The beauty and pride of the Airbus concern, the fruit of an ambitious program designed to show the world whose aircraft are the best.



The airliner was empty - the flight that was to come was a test flight. A400M fell, plainly and without taking off: the chassis broke off the runway from concrete just a few meters, after which the crew suddenly decided to land the car. In response to a request from the airport’s tower: “What do you have?” The commander answered briefly: “We are falling,” after which the four-engine colossus really crashed down to the ground. Two members of the crew of six survived by luck.

The crashed aircraft was the twenty-third vehicle of this type, built at the Seville plant of the European consortium Airbus Military. Upon completion of a series of test flights, this aircraft was to be transferred to the buyer, the Turkish Ministry of Defense. The cost of the fallen plane was 165 million euros.

Naturally, after a state of emergency, inspections, inspections, technical examinations and so on began. A400M program is not that stopped, but hung. The budget of its designers was originally designed for 12 billion euros, in fact, it "ate" by that time already 20 billions, and, apparently, this was not the end of expenses, and the prospects for revenues were clouded.

Specifications Airbus A400M Atlas, for its size nicknamed "Grizzly":

Length - 45,1 m, height - 14,7 m, wing span - 42,4 m, carrying capacity - 37 t, empty aircraft weight - 76,5 t, maximum take-off weight - 141 t, cruising speed - 780 km / h. Equipped with four eight-blade turboprop engines Europrop International TP825-D400, HP 6 11. each. The maximum flight altitude is 000 12 m, the maximum flight range with full load is 200 km, and the unloaded one is 3300 km. Fuel capacity - 8700 50 kg. The minimum runway length is 500 m (ground).

A year later, the experts published the results of their work: "Some details of the fuselage (the list exists, but he did not become the property of the Spanish press - note aut.) Collapsed due to fatigue of materials and incorrectly selected combinations and alloys." According to journalists from the Spanish edition of El Confidencial, "experts know what to do."

And they know about it, starting with the 2011 year, when for the first time on the fuselages of some of their products they began to detect microcracks, but these unpleasant news They never did, and, in general, there were no grounds for “leaks” - not a single “four hundredth” has broken yet due to the rupture of the hull.

By the way, the detected cracks and material fatigue with the Seville catastrophe most likely are hardly connected, a few meters above the ground is not the height at which the difference between the internal and external air pressure is noticeable. And even more so - critical. The cracks were remembered in passing, or even (more likely) in order to divert the attention of current and future customers from other problems that may put an end to the program right now.

Through military unions leaked information that the cause of the disaster a year ago was a failure in the electrical system of three (!) Of the four engines of the aircraft. A month ago, British aviators unexpectedly discovered that the engines with which they are equipped with Grizzly (TP400, produced by the Italian company Avio Aero) may have an unpleasant habit of stopping right in the middle of a flight. The English were lucky - only one of the four engines stopped. Three would work so synchronously - the result would be above.

After four years of operation of the first production models in various countries of the world, there were amicable complaints about the motors: their power is not enough to pull well a fully loaded ship. And there are no other engine options: Pratt & Whitney, which produces PW2040 engines for the American Atlas classmate, the C-17 Globemaster III from McDonnell Douglas / Boeing, for all its friendship with Airbus through NATO, is not inclined to sell engines to competitors.

Lack of high-torque and unreliable electronics is not an exhaustive list of shortcomings of the Italian engine. "Incorrectly selected alloys" are present, as it turns out, in its details too. In the spring of this year, several cases of excessive overheating of the motors were recorded, and metal chips were detected in the gearboxes of some of them (as many as 14 cases). The concern Airbus announced that "this fault can not be considered serious," but any sensible person knows that when a chip is formed in sufficient quantities, it is quite possible to jam the gearbox. And this will happen, of course, in flight. Not according to the law of meanness, but due to the fact that neither during the warm-up of the engines, nor on take-off, the gearbox just will not have time to “trim” the required amount of sawdust.

And one more global minus of the Grizzly: it lacks the possibility of refueling in the air. That is, thoughts about creating such a service, of course, exist, but when they will be implemented and whether they will be realized at all is a big question. The program has already exceeded the budget by two thirds, while funding has declined because of the withdrawal from the Italian project, and due to delays in the first demonstration flights by more than a year (instead of 2008, they took place in 2009), the volume of orders also decreased. Initially, the need for A400M was determined in 230 airplanes (the boldest forecasts reached 400 machines), today the demand for 180 is guaranteed.

Such a set of problems threatens the project as a whole. Not yet closing: the American counterpart, mentioned above, is twice as expensive, so the market is still on the Airbus side. But there is no doubt that customers have a desire to twist their heads to the sides in search of something more reliable. Such that from not tired materials and alloys. And with electronics, if not trouble-free, then at least having a guaranteed safety net "just in case".

The current situation simply obliges Russia to revive the assembly of the An-70, a joint Russian-Ukrainian project, which has already stopped twice (the second time - in 2014, for obvious reasons). In 2015, there were already statements that Russia could start assembling it without Ukrainian partners at the plant in Kazan. By the way, An-70, which began to be created in 1994 year, in its present form is ahead of the A400M project by about ten years, which is recognized by Western experts. The Europeans, however, prefer their own for two reasons: firstly, not to help the competitor (and even being under sanctions) to develop, and secondly, not to make his armies dependent on him.

According to the observers of the defenseindustrydaily.com portal, “it is А400, if it brings to mind what needs to be brought to mind, it will be able to compete in the market of military transport workers with the Russian An-70, IL 76 and An-124”.

Technical characteristics of the AN-70:

The length is 40,73 m, the height is 16,38 m, the wingspan is 44,06 m, the mass of the empty plane is 73 t, the maximum load is 47 t, the maximum take-off weight is 135 t, cruising speed is 700 – 750 km / h, the maximum is 780 km / h Maximum flight altitude - 12 000 m. Required runway - from 600 m (ground). 4 x D-27 engines, hp 14 004 engines each. Maximum flight range (depending on load) - 1200 – 8000 km. Unit cost - 70 million dollars.

Experience shows that capitalists have moral principles sooner or later lose to financial incentive. The sanctions imposed on Russia do not prevent the Americans from buying RD180 rocket engines from Moscow. What prevents Europe from starting to buy military transport planes with characteristics almost identical to those of A400M (and at times superior to them) at a price two times lower than aircraft assembled at a factory near Seville? Only one thing - the absence of this proposal today.

The star project of Airbus is the heavy military transport aircraft Airbus A400M Atlas (aka Grizzly): costs that exceed the calculated one and a half times, tired structures that have not yet begun to fly, and the real possibility of Russian classmates to dislodge an opponent from the market.

Magazine "New defense order. Strategies" No.3 (40), 2016
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  1. +11
    1 October 2016 07: 40
    The AN brand raises concerns .. I mean that the Ukrainian company will start to "download" copyrights, even if the aircraft will have Russian engines and equipment. To squeeze Airbus out of the market? Yes, it is necessary together with Boeing, but first everything in my civil aviation.
    1. +2
      1 October 2016 08: 20
      all that Antonov does is the best aircraft, the AN70 needs to be built and sales will go.
      1. +3
        1 October 2016 08: 36
        Yes. An-70 will not interfere in the Russian troops and in Russian civil aviation .... Shamanov, at one time, spoke very well about this machine, especially about the possibilities of its use from unpaved runways ....
      2. aba
        +17
        1 October 2016 10: 02
        AN70 needs to be built and sales will go.

        I may have agreed with you, but in modern Russia this is absolutely not a quick process. Fast in Russia, only yachts and mansions are bought at the cordon, and capital is withdrawn to foreign accounts.
      3. +9
        1 October 2016 21: 47
        "All that Antonov does is the best airplanes, the AN70 needs to be built and sales will go."

        Where will they go? On an erotic journey? An, maybe a good company, but the country of Ukraine - to put it mildly, not very ... We must forget the An-70, from the word "absolutely". You have to do your own thing, with your subcontractors and accessories. It is clear that it is difficult and not profitable, but any "truck" is a dual-purpose vehicle, which means that at any moment there may be problems with "foreign" supplies.
      4. +1
        20 November 2016 07: 52
        Quote: Thought
        all that Antonov does is the best aircraft, the AN70 needs to be built and sales will go.

        Small clarification. All that Antonov did.
    2. avt
      +6
      1 October 2016 09: 31
      Quote: dmi.pris
      .I mean that the Ukrainian company will start "pumping" copyrights, even if the aircraft will have Russian engines and equipment.

      Will it start "? Yes, ALREADY in full on the same 124th.
    3. +10
      1 October 2016 15: 23
      The brand "An" is lost for Russia forever (until the territory is likely to be annexed or the state of Ukraine disappears). We should probably make the same An-70 (178), but under the brand, say Il, Tu or say Yak, I think there will be no problems (according to Chinese technology!). The only question is in space, financing, and the most important thing in engineering personnel (with whom we have an acute deficit). Well, according to the European "Grizzly", there was initially a dead-end version, which they copied from the Ukrainian concept, moreover, according to Chinese technology, relying on composites that turned out to be insufficient in strength. And they miscalculated with the engines. And it’s too late to return to the Chubatye’s proposal for a joint project (albeit crude), billions have been spent, and the ambitions of the aviation powers will not let them bow to the country of the 3rd (or 4th) world. And fine-tuning this sample will lead to an even greater rise in price and the airplane will turn out to be not gold, but diamond.
      1. +5
        2 October 2016 18: 58
        Well, in Samara, for example, the HUGE potential for building aircraft, but not a single site is used ... the Tu-95 only undergoes modernization and that’s all ... and the production is actually ditched. We need an average transport aircraft like air ... and grain too .. Or they rivet once every 3 year. We did il-114 they took everything and took it to the lower production ...
        1. 0
          21 November 2016 09: 40
          Quote: Xroft
          Well, in Samara, for example, the HUGE potential for building aircraft, but not a single site is used ... the Tu-95 only undergoes modernization and that’s all ... and the production is actually ditched. We need an average transport aircraft like air ... and grain too .. Or they rivet once every 3 year. We did il-114 they took everything and took it to the lower production ...


          In Samara, there is no potential, except for production buildings!
          Back in 2000, Deripaska bought an aircraft factory, dreaming of becoming a full-cycle aviation oligarch.
          I was ready to invest a bunch of dough.
          But even then, they could not find workers to restore production.
          And even more so now - it’s generally unrealistic.
    4. +5
      1 October 2016 17: 04
      Quote: dmi.pris
      The AN brand raises concerns.

      Speak directly, at the moment, in the current situation of Russia-Ukraine relations, he has no future.
      Therefore, with the author in this statement:
      The current situation simply obliges Russia to revive the assembly of the An-70, a joint Russian-Ukrainian project,

      I agree only on condition that this plane will go under the brand name "Il" or simply "Nean-70"
      1. +5
        1 October 2016 19: 20
        We need new production facilities. There are many losses. Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Georgia (where the Su-25 was assembled and repaired, if memory serves) had an aircraft building. power. And in the Russian Federation during the hard times the factories stood and some of them need to be restored from 0. And how many subcontractors have lost - there are many more business. I have already expressed my idea once. When planes and ships start "stamping" in large batches, then the economy of the Russian Federation will be all right. hi
        For the territory of Russia with its rivers and ponds, one hundred thousand ships of various types and classes are needed.
    5. +7
      2 October 2016 21: 44
      1. Antonov bends over. The plant has been in operation for over six months. The workers dispersed and many were already in the "steal rashka". Here, be patient a little and tadam ...
      2. Have you heard about such an interesting people like the Chinese? What prevents calling the plane not the AN-70 but, for example, the MAZ-767 (in the sense of the Miass aircraft repair plant :))? And let out as much as you like. And from the courts to protect Russian patents and tede.
      Whoever desires finds opportunities. He who does not wish finds the reasons.
  2. +9
    1 October 2016 07: 40
    The reincarnation of the production of the AN-70 is a utopia that in Ukraine, in Russia, this aircraft may be better than the A400M, but it seems the project has died completely
    1. +1
      1 October 2016 09: 03
      No, I don’t think so, everything can be done if there was a buyer. And the air sanctions (for military purposes) probably have come back with sanctions, well, we don’t have titanium for your A400
      1. avt
        +3
        1 October 2016 09: 20
        Quote: VALERIK_097
        No, I don’t think so, everything can be done — there would be a buyer.

        What the hell? wassat Here is the recipe for life
        Quote: Thought
        all that Antonov does is the best aircraft, the AN70 needs to be built and sales will go.

        laughing laughing But seriously, for someone who is actually aware of the epic in which the Germans participated, well, the An-7X project for the needs of the European Air Force and to the peak of which this aircraft number 400 was actually created. That’s in the article and not news ... in general .... in the sense of completely. Well, but this ... extravaganza
        The current situation simply obliges Russia to revive the assembly of the An-70, a joint Russian-Ukrainian project that has already stopped twice (the second time - in 2014 for obvious reasons). In 2015, statements were already made that Russia could begin assembling it without Ukrainian partners at the plant in Kazan.
        Especially against the background of the almost finished off in serial production passenger, purchased An-148 and comment is not a hunt.
        1. +1
          1 October 2016 12: 39
          Quote: avt
          What the hell? wassat Here is the recipe for life


          what would be fucked ...
  3. +3
    1 October 2016 12: 13
    With the joint AN-70, a strange story ... Russia invested quite well in this project ... the aircraft has its own niche and demand in Russia ... well, our "partners" are inadequate ... BUT why didn't they continue without outsiders ... relying on technical groundwork and having a set of documentation in the design bureau and at the factory ???
  4. +11
    1 October 2016 12: 29
    Dmitry Anatolyevich said - We will fly on Boeings. So no AN-70. Look what you're up to !! Was it in vain that Boeing Company gave Dmitry Anatolyevich a beautiful pen ?? He will remember the good. In general, the most important task of the Russian government is to support the US economy. So everyone calm down.
    1. +1
      1 October 2016 15: 52
      Quote: Forever so
      Dmitry Anatolyevich said - We will fly on Boeing. So no AN-70.

      Why confuse passenger Boeing with An-70 truck? For a red word?
      Can you recall what Medvedev really said? After a series of domestic aircraft accidents, then head of state Medvedev added that the government would have to make a very difficult decision to upgrade the Russian aircraft fleet, and stressed that "the value of human life should be higher than special considerations, including the support of a domestic manufacturer." "Of course, you need to think about your own people, but if they are not able to" spin up ", you need to buy equipment abroad," Medvedev said.
      1. +2
        2 October 2016 06: 38
        Quote: Bayonet
        "the value of a human life must be higher than special considerations, including the support of a domestic producer."

        The most valuable thing is life. For this, and do not mind killing.
  5. +4
    1 October 2016 13: 32
    It is unlikely that the Ukrainian side will be able to put into the An-70 series, a mess. You can judge that they can’t assemble for our An-72 Ministry of Internal Affairs, they refer to force majeure circumstances, they say there are components from Russia, such as the law. There’s someone under investigation in Kiev that he brought components for helicopter planes from the Russian Federation. 15 lyamas took greens and that’s all, they ordered the plane under the previous government, last year an autumn should arrive. scandal.
    On a minibus, our drooling was disbanded as many as 6 pieces. to order, they look at the jambs in production, they climbed out .. That they "arrived", they asked you for two IL-76s from your state order and the Chinese turned, there are also about two pieces. And the planes are very needed.
    So I remembered that the Americans restored the S-130 offered, refused, they say we will only buy new.
    So the aircraft of this class are in demand.
    1. +1
      3 October 2016 22: 20
      Quote: marshes
      It is unlikely that the Ukrainian side will be able to launch an An-70 series, a mess

      If TR-400 Europrop International (EU) engines are installed on a Ukrainian aircraft, and they agree with this, then everything is simple:

      propellers FH385 / FH386 Ratier - Figeac (EU); avionics and control systems from Thales and Diehl Avionik Systeme (EU) and chassis from Safran Group (EU).
      Those. Russian is changing to the EEC.

      Future Large Aircraft Military Transport Aircraft (AN-70 is slightly better than A-400)


      It's a pity. Very credible aircraft.
  6. 0
    1 October 2016 14: 31
    Urgently "redraw" the An-70 in the Ilyushin Design Bureau in some Il-116 and put into production. Judging by the parameters, ours will be more economical and more lifting. Is he a classmate with an Il-76?
    Perhaps the turboprop is still cheaper and more economical?
    1. +2
      1 October 2016 14: 40
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Is he a classmate with an IL-76?

      Nearly.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Perhaps the turboprop is still cheaper and more economical?

      Not really, a turboprop can be said to be "high-torque at the bottom", from unprepared, unpaved runways it can take off and even in heat or in high altitude conditions.
      An 12 in Afghanistan took off at any time, and 76 only in the morning. In Almaty, in the summer at night, only airplanes, mostly loaded with turbofan, double-circuit, take off engines.
      1. 0
        7 January 2017 10: 33
        Hello to Kazakhstan, land. With the Nativity of you.
    2. 0
      1 October 2016 16: 00
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Perhaps the turboprop is still cheaper and more economical?

      The turboprop engine is mainly used where high speeds are not needed and cost-effectiveness is important. Most often, these are short- and medium-range civil aviation, as well as transport aviation.
  7. +1
    1 October 2016 15: 08
    Good desires lead you know where!
  8. +2
    1 October 2016 15: 29
    Okay, emotionally, I’m trying without a mat. Although the ban for the incomplete looks strange.
    In the USSR, fig, the word plant culture last time I had in mind laughing created aircraft factories, production of aircraft engines and missiles in the western part of the USSR, and deployed the most advanced equipment. To leave the enemy, history doesn’t teach anything. In case of war, again sent to the Urals. Only one thing, the conditions for living on Ukraine comfortable. Push a stick do not water one fig tree will grow.
    And the Ukrainians were not lucky with the rulers, there was no second France, although at the time of the collapse all the advanced production and technology, Belarus, were with them. You just didn’t take into account that you would have to buy raw materials at world prices, a little later, and before that you spoiled the land . I myself was surprised that I pay twice as much for gas in Almaty as my brother in Kharkov. And we gasified us in 2014, at my own expense, and they were back in 1982 in the state.
  9. +5
    1 October 2016 17: 47
    not an article but a fake. An-70 must be forgotten. customized material. participation in this project threw us back years ago. we won’t have an An-70 without Ukraine, and we don’t have our own truck in this class, because everyone threw it on the An-70. pros ... raly. our eggheads did not see the current where Ukraine is heading.
  10. +3
    2 October 2016 09: 23
    They started to do Ila, then let’s do them ..... The production of IL-76 was restored, now on the agenda is IL-112/114 ... And there they’ll get to the middle transport, the line of engines was determined for the near future-PD-10 / 14/25/35 there is no turboprop there, so all transporters will be with turbofan engines (it should be noted that they have better indicators than D-30)
  11. +2
    2 October 2016 09: 51
    We were interested in buying as many as 5 (a lot for us) Il-76 with new engines and a glass cockpit, as we were offered. As a result, we refused, not because of US pressure, as many in Russia believe, but because of the characteristics of the proposed engines. So we went "the other way". Cooperated with Embraer, we are making the KC-390 truck instead of the An. But we need 3-4 pieces of large-tonnage, and where to get them with the parameters of engines that will be allowed in any state?
    1. avt
      +1
      2 October 2016 11: 31
      Quote: Vz.58
      As a result, we refused, not because of US pressure, as many in Russia believe, but because of the characteristics of the proposed engines. So we went "the other way"

      laughing Judging by the flag - YOU ARE A NATO COUNTRY
      Quote: Vz.58
      characteristics of the proposed engines.

      there are not chapels.
      Quote: Vz.58
      . We cooperated with Embraer, we make the KC-390 truck instead of An.

      Which are quite a part on USA components
      Quote: Vz.58
      . But 3-4 large-tonnage pieces are needed, and where to get them with the parameters of the engines that will be allowed into any state?

      Save up for used C-130, or C-17.
      1. +4
        2 October 2016 13: 38
        Yes, we are a NATO country, but we have our own economic interests, which we do not discuss with the United States. Sometimes we need to quickly transport our goods to the client, and there are many such situations, it is uneconomical to charter cargo planes both in France and in Russia. We do not need to save up for used ones. Need to buy new ones. If you are a specialist, you know that we do not buy second hand. There is money. About the KC-390 and US components. We are doing what we can, US components are high-quality goods, give us from Russia what we need and at a price at which we will agree, and we will work with Russian components. Shtatniks are not a decree for us. Yes, another problem - after-sales service and warranty service anywhere in the world, whether it be warehouses and trained personnel, or fast delivery of equipment and specialists for non-staff (emergency) service
        1. avt
          +2
          2 October 2016 16: 27
          Quote: Vz.58
          Yes, we are a NATO country, but we have our own economic interests, which we do not discuss with the United States.

          "Rub in economic interests" to someone else, and you will be clearly bent, and the campaign has already been bent through NATO standards. Just like the Germans with cooperation in the joint production of An70, aka An-7X for the BTA of European countries, instead of which they made quite to itself, according to the NATO standard "Airbus No. 400, which cannot pull out the characteristics declared by the manufacturer. Everything else is about
          Quote: Vz.58
          Shtatniks are not a decree for us.

          art whistle. Well, it’s not a direct decree, the Germans will point out, and then they have been under USA since 1945 and no one is going to release them, as the humpbacked one did under the USSR.
          1. +4
            2 October 2016 16: 49
            Your own leaders, oligarchs, and budget plunders and trepidating TVs have already bent you. I know, I accept and Russian TV. Verte what you want, but do not whistle, keep silent, for the smart, etc.
          2. +2
            2 October 2016 17: 16
            I apologize for harsh words, could not resist. It makes me angry that you are trying, not squeezing here and not knowing on your own skin how we live here, to convince us of how your TV shows our life. Let's not talk about politics, but about technology
            1. avt
              +5
              2 October 2016 19: 09
              Quote: Vz.58
              how we live here

              For how you live there, our TV shows nothing at all, and specifically about the country with your flag, nothing but Zeman’s remarks. And even more so TO CONSIDER you .... but personally to me deeply through the phalos how the EU lives and your country in particular , just like in that cartoon
              "Have you been to Tahiti?"
              "Tahiti, Tahiti ... ... we have not been to any Tahiti .... We are well fed here too!"
              That's all for the great Ukrainians.
              Quote: Vz.58
              Let's not talk about politics, but about technology

              Look and find out how the Germans broke off with the An-7X I mentioned, and the Germans really seriously tried to get the car and put it into mass operation. Well, let’s re-read the previous one.
              Quote: Vz.58
              Your own leaders, oligarchs, and budget plunders and TV trepot have already bent you

              laughing Which in the 90s they bought a little bit of land from you there for nearby dachas? Well, like Mikhalkov, who is an art director-banker. How did our acquaintances act as real estate agents. And how can we live - we'll figure it out without common people, otherwise it costs us dearly every time to get involved in your "civilization", so that with great tension then take Berlin and Paris Honestly - I'm tired and sorry for people.
  12. +2
    2 October 2016 14: 42
    Here everything is from the cycle "what if ..." And if Russia and Ukraine had not quarreled, but if they jointly launched at least a small, but a series, and if foreigners did not begin to design their own analogue and entered the consortium ... Then everything would be just wonderful, but so ... There is no chocolate in panties.
    1. +2
      2 October 2016 17: 19
      It happens. Remember how during it, across the border from Germany to the GDR, different products were dragged laughing
  13. 0
    2 October 2016 22: 37
    If the An-70 is so needed, then it is possible to start production under the IL brand. The ability to take off from the primer is very important in a war where concrete strips may be destroyed or not at all, as in Afghanistan.
    1. +1
      3 October 2016 08: 35
      I really needed it yesterday, and now no one will contact the Antonovites. Voronezh from 148 already spat out and the thing, as you know, is not in the plane.
    2. 0
      6 October 2016 16: 56
      What about the engines? They are Ukrainian.
  14. +1
    3 October 2016 08: 33
    Horses mixed in a bunch of horses, i.e. An-70, An-124, IL-76 in the head of the author of the original source. How will this A-400 compete with the An-124? I did not hear more delirium. And the dead An-70 is not a competitor to anyone.
  15. +1
    3 October 2016 12: 36
    An-70 is not needed: it was ordered as a shift of the AN-12 (medium transporter), and the design bureau built a heavy transporter. We had a heavy transporter IL-76, no one was going to abandon it, hence all the problems. The An-70 has a bunch of bells and whistles, such as working from unpaved airfields, but they are not needed in the application profile of a heavy transporter.
  16. exo
    +2
    3 October 2016 22: 54
    The article is about nothing. AN-70, died and producing it in Russia, is unrealistic. Development of an engine like the D-27 will take too much time. Plus fine-tuning and organization of production. If we have already launched the IL-114, we will start to reproduce, by 2020, it’s scary to think about the release dates of the AN-70 analogue. It makes sense to focus on the line of IL-112, IL-214, IL-476. And design a replacement for the An-124.Accordingly, on engines, for these types.
  17. 0
    14 November 2016 15: 06
    The price of the last experimental An-70 was more than 110 million, which our MO really did not like. It is not real to revive it, a lot of money and time is needed. Not counting the politics.
  18. 0
    19 November 2016 20: 52
    What is stopping Europe from starting to buy military transport planes with characteristics that are almost identical to those of the A400M (and at times exceeding them), at a price half that of aircraft assembled at a plant near Seville?

    This statement is perceived as an inappropriate joke of humor.

    Over the years, the West has already proved everything to us.

    Europe will never buy anything high-tech from us, from Russia and Ukraine, even if we bring the AN-70 to perfection.

    NEVER.

    And then there is no AN-70 aircraft either, and the war is on, and the U.K.r. ready to bite and we can’t launch our planes in any way.

    But - dreaming is not harmful. And it’s even necessary, otherwise it’s boring ...
  19. 0
    11 February 2017 03: 20
    yes, there’s a hell with a rod ... Airbass’s office is very serious ... Anything can happen ... Look at how our superjet "nice" showed itself at the exhibition. and what refuses to accept it? although he’s a competitor to Embryer. Bring to mind Airbasik ..
  20. 0
    20 March 2017 21: 57
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Perhaps the turboprop is still cheaper and more economical?

    The turboprop engine is mainly used where high speeds are not needed and cost-effectiveness is important. Most often, these are short- and medium-range civil aviation, as well as transport aviation.

    Double-circuit turbojet engines are especially economical. Considering the high cost of building a full-fledged aircraft carrier, the development of a “lighter” analogue of the Storm project has begun in the Krylovsky Center.
    http://warfiles.ru/show-147065-proekt-shtorm-poch
    emu-rossiya-mozhet-ostatsya-bez-avianoscev.html
    Small aircraft carriers could only become a reality when the requirements necessary for basing aviation formations were met:
    airplanes should be able to operate from extremely limited runways (runways) in size, while the aircraft themselves must be small in size;
    For small aircraft carriers, the Grumman 698 tiltrotor was developed.
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    The Grumman 698 project combined the qualities, the totality of which no US Navy aircraft had previously had:
    • vertical take-off from an aircraft carrier and landing on it;
    • take-off from a runway less than 60 meters long;
    • flight range of more than 2000 km and a practical ceiling of more than 15 meters.
    • Turbojet engines of the power plant - with a high degree of dual-circuit and low fuel consumption;
    • the temperature of the exhaust gases of the power plant is relatively low due to the large degree of bypass;
    • adjustment of the operation of the engines of the power plant is carried out using a computer, which will allow very precise control of traction.